<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_15_2035209</id>
	<title>Jet Stream Kites Could Power New York City</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1245062760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Damien1972 writes to tell us that researchers from the Carnegie Institution and California State University claim that a <a href="http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0615-wind.html">fleet of kites could harvest enough energy to run New York</a> and other major cities, especially if they are affected by polar jet streams.  <i>"Using 28 years of data from the National Center for Environmental Prediction and the Department of Energy, Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology and Cristina Archer of California State University, Chico compiled the first global survey of wind energy available at high altitudes in the atmosphere. They found that the regions best suited for harvesting this energy align with population centers in the eastern U.S. and East Asia, although they note that 'fluctuating wind strength still presents a challenge for exploiting this energy source on a large scale.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damien1972 writes to tell us that researchers from the Carnegie Institution and California State University claim that a fleet of kites could harvest enough energy to run New York and other major cities , especially if they are affected by polar jet streams .
" Using 28 years of data from the National Center for Environmental Prediction and the Department of Energy , Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution 's Department of Global Ecology and Cristina Archer of California State University , Chico compiled the first global survey of wind energy available at high altitudes in the atmosphere .
They found that the regions best suited for harvesting this energy align with population centers in the eastern U.S. and East Asia , although they note that 'fluctuating wind strength still presents a challenge for exploiting this energy source on a large scale .
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<sentencetext>Damien1972 writes to tell us that researchers from the Carnegie Institution and California State University claim that a fleet of kites could harvest enough energy to run New York and other major cities, especially if they are affected by polar jet streams.
"Using 28 years of data from the National Center for Environmental Prediction and the Department of Energy, Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology and Cristina Archer of California State University, Chico compiled the first global survey of wind energy available at high altitudes in the atmosphere.
They found that the regions best suited for harvesting this energy align with population centers in the eastern U.S. and East Asia, although they note that 'fluctuating wind strength still presents a challenge for exploiting this energy source on a large scale.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342429</id>
	<title>same two suggestions again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245070320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you're putting kites that high, make their strings metallic and try to get some power from the electrical difference. you're mitigating lightning by giving it a pre-set path where it doesn't have to get such a large charge before it can jump.</p><p>or just put your kites underwater, where the water's thicker than the air, and the tides more predictable. i'd make em more like wind-socks tho.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you 're putting kites that high , make their strings metallic and try to get some power from the electrical difference .
you 're mitigating lightning by giving it a pre-set path where it does n't have to get such a large charge before it can jump.or just put your kites underwater , where the water 's thicker than the air , and the tides more predictable .
i 'd make em more like wind-socks tho .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you're putting kites that high, make their strings metallic and try to get some power from the electrical difference.
you're mitigating lightning by giving it a pre-set path where it doesn't have to get such a large charge before it can jump.or just put your kites underwater, where the water's thicker than the air, and the tides more predictable.
i'd make em more like wind-socks tho.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28357527</id>
	<title>Making terrorism easier</title>
	<author>silentil</author>
	<datestamp>1245171720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This will make terrorism so much easier and more accessible to the general disgruntled public. You can go to almost any store and just buy a pair of siccors to exact your revenge against the oppressors!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This will make terrorism so much easier and more accessible to the general disgruntled public .
You can go to almost any store and just buy a pair of siccors to exact your revenge against the oppressors !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will make terrorism so much easier and more accessible to the general disgruntled public.
You can go to almost any store and just buy a pair of siccors to exact your revenge against the oppressors!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28351563</id>
	<title>Clearly if the article hadn't sucked rocks...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245181920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA mentioned none of this.  Peddle your outrage at the original poster and the idiot who let the summary through.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA mentioned none of this .
Peddle your outrage at the original poster and the idiot who let the summary through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA mentioned none of this.
Peddle your outrage at the original poster and the idiot who let the summary through.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342717</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341919</id>
	<title>All together now ...</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1245067080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With 2K for turbines and wires,<br>we can build a generating flyer.<br>With a line to the ground,<br>it's a turbine in flight!<br>With a bolt holding tight<br>to the string of the kite!</p><p>Let's go fly a kite<br>Up to the highest height<br>Let's go fly a kite<br>And send it soaring<br>Up through the atmosphere<br>Up where the air is clear<br>Oh, let's go fly a kite!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With 2K for turbines and wires,we can build a generating flyer.With a line to the ground,it 's a turbine in flight ! With a bolt holding tightto the string of the kite ! Let 's go fly a kiteUp to the highest heightLet 's go fly a kiteAnd send it soaringUp through the atmosphereUp where the air is clearOh , let 's go fly a kite !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With 2K for turbines and wires,we can build a generating flyer.With a line to the ground,it's a turbine in flight!With a bolt holding tightto the string of the kite!Let's go fly a kiteUp to the highest heightLet's go fly a kiteAnd send it soaringUp through the atmosphereUp where the air is clearOh, let's go fly a kite!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28345767</id>
	<title>Re:Environmental issues?</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1245150240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream? Does it change global air circulation? Do you get climate changes throughout the world?</p></div><p>You'd then have to re-write "The Chaos Theory", and give some mathematicians and physicists a headache coming up with a new formula<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream ?
Does it change global air circulation ?
Do you get climate changes throughout the world ? You 'd then have to re-write " The Chaos Theory " , and give some mathematicians and physicists a headache coming up with a new formula : ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream?
Does it change global air circulation?
Do you get climate changes throughout the world?You'd then have to re-write "The Chaos Theory", and give some mathematicians and physicists a headache coming up with a new formula :).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342089</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28348803</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>lupine</author>
	<datestamp>1245172620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lightning strikes should be harnessed as energy. You would need some fancy surge protection and a way to slow the electric discharge enough to feed it into the distribution network, but I bet one evening thunderstorm could power a lot of homes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lightning strikes should be harnessed as energy .
You would need some fancy surge protection and a way to slow the electric discharge enough to feed it into the distribution network , but I bet one evening thunderstorm could power a lot of homes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lightning strikes should be harnessed as energy.
You would need some fancy surge protection and a way to slow the electric discharge enough to feed it into the distribution network, but I bet one evening thunderstorm could power a lot of homes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28356513</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1245163140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>what about the ropes connecting the kites to the ground?</htmltext>
<tokenext>what about the ropes connecting the kites to the ground ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what about the ropes connecting the kites to the ground?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342219</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342219</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245068940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny.</i></p><p>Why is there "no doubt" about this?  Is there some reason why kites have to be very expensive?</p><p><i> Second, why would you invest in a new technology when there are other (probably more-efficient) green technologies. </i></p><p>For the same reason you invested in the other green technologies even when there were older technologies already available then -- because it was a promising idea.</p><p><i> Now isn't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.</i></p><p>Now is exactly the time.  A few technological "game changers" could be just what it takes to boost us out of recession.</p><p><i>Lastly, where are going to put them, in the plains of the Midwest?</i></p><p>Sure, why not?  Or any other place that has wind at 30,000 feet and isn't in anybody's flight path.</p><p><i>What happens when the kites start interfering with birds and such?</i></p><p>Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet, Einstein.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny.Why is there " no doubt " about this ?
Is there some reason why kites have to be very expensive ?
Second , why would you invest in a new technology when there are other ( probably more-efficient ) green technologies .
For the same reason you invested in the other green technologies even when there were older technologies already available then -- because it was a promising idea .
Now is n't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.Now is exactly the time .
A few technological " game changers " could be just what it takes to boost us out of recession.Lastly , where are going to put them , in the plains of the Midwest ? Sure , why not ?
Or any other place that has wind at 30,000 feet and is n't in anybody 's flight path.What happens when the kites start interfering with birds and such ? Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet , Einstein .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny.Why is there "no doubt" about this?
Is there some reason why kites have to be very expensive?
Second, why would you invest in a new technology when there are other (probably more-efficient) green technologies.
For the same reason you invested in the other green technologies even when there were older technologies already available then -- because it was a promising idea.
Now isn't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.Now is exactly the time.
A few technological "game changers" could be just what it takes to boost us out of recession.Lastly, where are going to put them, in the plains of the Midwest?Sure, why not?
Or any other place that has wind at 30,000 feet and isn't in anybody's flight path.What happens when the kites start interfering with birds and such?Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet, Einstein.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341859</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342385</id>
	<title>Pipe dreams</title>
	<author>GottliebPins</author>
	<datestamp>1245070020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why don't we just get a really long extension cord and plug it into the sun?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't we just get a really long extension cord and plug it into the sun ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't we just get a really long extension cord and plug it into the sun?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342781</id>
	<title>Re:Energy vs Consequences</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1245072900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Have any of these jackasses considered the consequences of removing all this kinetic energy from those streams? What happens when you harness all that energy and slow down that wind? I'm no genius, but I'm betting the results could be very very bad.</p></div><p>Ok, just checking here -- if you have the A,Q,J,10,9 do you draw another card or fold?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have any of these jackasses considered the consequences of removing all this kinetic energy from those streams ?
What happens when you harness all that energy and slow down that wind ?
I 'm no genius , but I 'm betting the results could be very very bad.Ok , just checking here -- if you have the A,Q,J,10,9 do you draw another card or fold ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have any of these jackasses considered the consequences of removing all this kinetic energy from those streams?
What happens when you harness all that energy and slow down that wind?
I'm no genius, but I'm betting the results could be very very bad.Ok, just checking here -- if you have the A,Q,J,10,9 do you draw another card or fold?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341955</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342137</id>
	<title>OMG Think of the planes!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245068400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see comment after comment like "What about teh airplanzes!?!" but such comments come from a severe lack of understanding of controlled airspace.</p><p>See, while it's true that the Eastern seaboard is one of the busiest airspaces in the world, it's also one of the most tightly controlled. Airspace is commonly restricted to 18,000 feet, above which *all* airspace is controlled. (It's called "class A(lpha) airspace at/above 18,000 ft) The only effect this would have on air traffic is that ATC would redirect commercial flights around the kites, which isn't particularly hard to do.</p><p>As a pilot myself, I've many times been diverted around hazards such as other planes, mountains, and even UAVs. (Un-manned Aeronautical vehicles, being tested by the military)</p><p>And obviously, these wouldn't be assembled on the instrument approach path for O'Hare airport. This makes the whole "Teh planezes are fallingz" as exciting a story as "Teh Internetz iz failingz" due to lack of router memory.</p><p>In short, it's just not a significant issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see comment after comment like " What about teh airplanzes ! ? !
" but such comments come from a severe lack of understanding of controlled airspace.See , while it 's true that the Eastern seaboard is one of the busiest airspaces in the world , it 's also one of the most tightly controlled .
Airspace is commonly restricted to 18,000 feet , above which * all * airspace is controlled .
( It 's called " class A ( lpha ) airspace at/above 18,000 ft ) The only effect this would have on air traffic is that ATC would redirect commercial flights around the kites , which is n't particularly hard to do.As a pilot myself , I 've many times been diverted around hazards such as other planes , mountains , and even UAVs .
( Un-manned Aeronautical vehicles , being tested by the military ) And obviously , these would n't be assembled on the instrument approach path for O'Hare airport .
This makes the whole " Teh planezes are fallingz " as exciting a story as " Teh Internetz iz failingz " due to lack of router memory.In short , it 's just not a significant issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see comment after comment like "What about teh airplanzes!?!
" but such comments come from a severe lack of understanding of controlled airspace.See, while it's true that the Eastern seaboard is one of the busiest airspaces in the world, it's also one of the most tightly controlled.
Airspace is commonly restricted to 18,000 feet, above which *all* airspace is controlled.
(It's called "class A(lpha) airspace at/above 18,000 ft) The only effect this would have on air traffic is that ATC would redirect commercial flights around the kites, which isn't particularly hard to do.As a pilot myself, I've many times been diverted around hazards such as other planes, mountains, and even UAVs.
(Un-manned Aeronautical vehicles, being tested by the military)And obviously, these wouldn't be assembled on the instrument approach path for O'Hare airport.
This makes the whole "Teh planezes are fallingz" as exciting a story as "Teh Internetz iz failingz" due to lack of router memory.In short, it's just not a significant issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28345169</id>
	<title>Re:Have you been to Burningman?</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1245184440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No.  No, actually I haven't been to Burningman.  But thanks for pointing it out to the rest of us, we all appreciate how utterly cooler you are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
No , actually I have n't been to Burningman .
But thanks for pointing it out to the rest of us , we all appreciate how utterly cooler you are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
No, actually I haven't been to Burningman.
But thanks for pointing it out to the rest of us, we all appreciate how utterly cooler you are.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28345019</id>
	<title>Re:All other considerations aside</title>
	<author>eh2o</author>
	<datestamp>1245095940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Worldwide we use something on the order of 10^20 J energy per year.  Fortunately the sun pumps out 10^31 J per day, a decent proportion of which actually hits us as it subtends a solid angle of about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.5 degrees at this distance.</p><p>There may be some cause for concern with power sources that could drain from the angular momentum of the earth, such as tidal power... or maybe even this kite idea?  I'm speculating here, but the earth's angular momentum with respect to its center is only on the order of 10^23 J and its a "non-renewable" resource so we might actually be able to make an impact on the length of the day.  And that would probably be much harder to fix than this little global warming issue we currently have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Worldwide we use something on the order of 10 ^ 20 J energy per year .
Fortunately the sun pumps out 10 ^ 31 J per day , a decent proportion of which actually hits us as it subtends a solid angle of about .5 degrees at this distance.There may be some cause for concern with power sources that could drain from the angular momentum of the earth , such as tidal power... or maybe even this kite idea ?
I 'm speculating here , but the earth 's angular momentum with respect to its center is only on the order of 10 ^ 23 J and its a " non-renewable " resource so we might actually be able to make an impact on the length of the day .
And that would probably be much harder to fix than this little global warming issue we currently have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worldwide we use something on the order of 10^20 J energy per year.
Fortunately the sun pumps out 10^31 J per day, a decent proportion of which actually hits us as it subtends a solid angle of about .5 degrees at this distance.There may be some cause for concern with power sources that could drain from the angular momentum of the earth, such as tidal power... or maybe even this kite idea?
I'm speculating here, but the earth's angular momentum with respect to its center is only on the order of 10^23 J and its a "non-renewable" resource so we might actually be able to make an impact on the length of the day.
And that would probably be much harder to fix than this little global warming issue we currently have.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343695</id>
	<title>Re:Environmental issues?</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1245080760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream? Does it change global air circulation? Do you get climate changes throughout the world?</p></div><p>At worst, you'll slightly change the weather pattern downwind.<br>Don't forget, cities are already artificial wind breaks that alter weather patterns.<br>With that in mind, there is so much energy in wind that we couldn't begin to take out enough to make an appreciable dent in the flows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream ?
Does it change global air circulation ?
Do you get climate changes throughout the world ? At worst , you 'll slightly change the weather pattern downwind.Do n't forget , cities are already artificial wind breaks that alter weather patterns.With that in mind , there is so much energy in wind that we could n't begin to take out enough to make an appreciable dent in the flows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream?
Does it change global air circulation?
Do you get climate changes throughout the world?At worst, you'll slightly change the weather pattern downwind.Don't forget, cities are already artificial wind breaks that alter weather patterns.With that in mind, there is so much energy in wind that we couldn't begin to take out enough to make an appreciable dent in the flows.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342089</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343393</id>
	<title>ARE THEY CRAZY?!?!?!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245078060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ZOMG  oh knoes This will make the urth stop turning!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ZOMG oh knoes This will make the urth stop turning !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ZOMG  oh knoes This will make the urth stop turning!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28346517</id>
	<title>Re:How is this going to impact the aircraft?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245160620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Firstly, planes don't just fly anywhere at will. There are "lanes" which are subdivided by height according to direction of travel. So the only places over a city where aircraft will fly will be in defined lanes. These may correspond or be in addition to the landing vectors for airports. You do not drop out of the sky from flight level 350 to land at the airport. You get lower in stages and the final glidepath can be around 5 to 10 miles long (roughly 3 degrees). So you are no-where near 35000 feet as you approach the airport, more like 2 to 3 thousand when you are 5 miles away. <br> <br>Secondly, the wind in the jet stream goes in one direction (which direction depends on the altitude), so you can pretty much guarantee where the kites anchor lines will be. You simply anchor the kites in places away from the glide paths of aircraft and the two will never meet. Light aircraft rarely go much above 3000 ft anyway, and there are already no-fly zones in place for other reasons. If they can observe those, they can observe some new ones too.<br> <br>Or is this just "I'm a whinging twat" day on slashdot, where nothing is possible because you lack the wit or the will to find solutions ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firstly , planes do n't just fly anywhere at will .
There are " lanes " which are subdivided by height according to direction of travel .
So the only places over a city where aircraft will fly will be in defined lanes .
These may correspond or be in addition to the landing vectors for airports .
You do not drop out of the sky from flight level 350 to land at the airport .
You get lower in stages and the final glidepath can be around 5 to 10 miles long ( roughly 3 degrees ) .
So you are no-where near 35000 feet as you approach the airport , more like 2 to 3 thousand when you are 5 miles away .
Secondly , the wind in the jet stream goes in one direction ( which direction depends on the altitude ) , so you can pretty much guarantee where the kites anchor lines will be .
You simply anchor the kites in places away from the glide paths of aircraft and the two will never meet .
Light aircraft rarely go much above 3000 ft anyway , and there are already no-fly zones in place for other reasons .
If they can observe those , they can observe some new ones too .
Or is this just " I 'm a whinging twat " day on slashdot , where nothing is possible because you lack the wit or the will to find solutions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firstly, planes don't just fly anywhere at will.
There are "lanes" which are subdivided by height according to direction of travel.
So the only places over a city where aircraft will fly will be in defined lanes.
These may correspond or be in addition to the landing vectors for airports.
You do not drop out of the sky from flight level 350 to land at the airport.
You get lower in stages and the final glidepath can be around 5 to 10 miles long (roughly 3 degrees).
So you are no-where near 35000 feet as you approach the airport, more like 2 to 3 thousand when you are 5 miles away.
Secondly, the wind in the jet stream goes in one direction (which direction depends on the altitude), so you can pretty much guarantee where the kites anchor lines will be.
You simply anchor the kites in places away from the glide paths of aircraft and the two will never meet.
Light aircraft rarely go much above 3000 ft anyway, and there are already no-fly zones in place for other reasons.
If they can observe those, they can observe some new ones too.
Or is this just "I'm a whinging twat" day on slashdot, where nothing is possible because you lack the wit or the will to find solutions ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28349015</id>
	<title>More Bullshit from the eco-whacks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245173280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its as if the pull this crap from the clear blue.  Anything - anything to stop using oil.  http://www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog  and http://www.junkscience.com  has all the facts on the global warming hoax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its as if the pull this crap from the clear blue .
Anything - anything to stop using oil .
http : //www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog and http : //www.junkscience.com has all the facts on the global warming hoax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its as if the pull this crap from the clear blue.
Anything - anything to stop using oil.
http://www.discussglobalwarming.com/blog  and http://www.junkscience.com  has all the facts on the global warming hoax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342179</id>
	<title>Have you been to Burningman?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245068640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am asking because if you had, you would be laughing like I am right now. Powerful winds tear through everything that has even the tiniest bit of slack. At ground level. Tarps rip to pieces, grommets are completely useless. Shelters fly away into the playa, women's clothes break free and take on their own. Oh, well, I am getting distracted.</p><p>TFA's description is much more vague than ones I've seen in science fiction.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Several technologies have been proposed to harvest these high altitude winds, including tethered, kite-like turbines that would be floated to the altitude of the jet streams at an altitude of 20,000-50,000 feet and transmit up to 40 megawatts of electricity to the ground via the tether.</p></div><p>Well, I am proposing building flying cities maintained by giant robots. We can use the high altitude, jets streams and clear skies to harvest clear solar and wind energy.</p><p>Here's my proof of concept: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle\_in\_the\_Sky" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle\_in\_the\_Sky</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am asking because if you had , you would be laughing like I am right now .
Powerful winds tear through everything that has even the tiniest bit of slack .
At ground level .
Tarps rip to pieces , grommets are completely useless .
Shelters fly away into the playa , women 's clothes break free and take on their own .
Oh , well , I am getting distracted.TFA 's description is much more vague than ones I 've seen in science fiction.Several technologies have been proposed to harvest these high altitude winds , including tethered , kite-like turbines that would be floated to the altitude of the jet streams at an altitude of 20,000-50,000 feet and transmit up to 40 megawatts of electricity to the ground via the tether.Well , I am proposing building flying cities maintained by giant robots .
We can use the high altitude , jets streams and clear skies to harvest clear solar and wind energy.Here 's my proof of concept : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle \ _in \ _the \ _Sky [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am asking because if you had, you would be laughing like I am right now.
Powerful winds tear through everything that has even the tiniest bit of slack.
At ground level.
Tarps rip to pieces, grommets are completely useless.
Shelters fly away into the playa, women's clothes break free and take on their own.
Oh, well, I am getting distracted.TFA's description is much more vague than ones I've seen in science fiction.Several technologies have been proposed to harvest these high altitude winds, including tethered, kite-like turbines that would be floated to the altitude of the jet streams at an altitude of 20,000-50,000 feet and transmit up to 40 megawatts of electricity to the ground via the tether.Well, I am proposing building flying cities maintained by giant robots.
We can use the high altitude, jets streams and clear skies to harvest clear solar and wind energy.Here's my proof of concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle\_in\_the\_Sky [wikipedia.org]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342987</id>
	<title>Added benefit: better climate</title>
	<author>rbanffy</author>
	<datestamp>1245074640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The more we put energy in the atmosphere, either directly or by greenhouse gases, the worse the weather will be: more violent storms, more planes downed by catastrophically worse weather and so on.</p><p>If we take some energy out of the atmosphere and prevent more greenhouse gases to be released as a side effect, I am all in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more we put energy in the atmosphere , either directly or by greenhouse gases , the worse the weather will be : more violent storms , more planes downed by catastrophically worse weather and so on.If we take some energy out of the atmosphere and prevent more greenhouse gases to be released as a side effect , I am all in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more we put energy in the atmosphere, either directly or by greenhouse gases, the worse the weather will be: more violent storms, more planes downed by catastrophically worse weather and so on.If we take some energy out of the atmosphere and prevent more greenhouse gases to be released as a side effect, I am all in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342355</id>
	<title>Eat your heart out, Ben Franklin!</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1245069840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(looks up patent on "Leyden Jar")</htmltext>
<tokenext>( looks up patent on " Leyden Jar " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(looks up patent on "Leyden Jar")</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342413</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1245070260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But first off, where are we going to get the money to start buying kites? No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny. Second, why would you invest in a new technology when there are other (probably more-efficient) green technologies.</p></div><p>Ok, what - exactly what - is greener than a kite? Or a longer established technology? (cries, weeps bitter tears.)</p><p>On the gripping hand, you could have miniature wind turbines attached to the kite, perhaps tap the electrostatic potential between kite and ground (lots of moving air to add or remove charge) and you wouldn't really need to worry about lightning if you designed the thing to vapourise on a strike.</p><p>And they'd be pretty too.  I'd vote for the Man in the Moon pattern myself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But first off , where are we going to get the money to start buying kites ?
No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny .
Second , why would you invest in a new technology when there are other ( probably more-efficient ) green technologies.Ok , what - exactly what - is greener than a kite ?
Or a longer established technology ?
( cries , weeps bitter tears .
) On the gripping hand , you could have miniature wind turbines attached to the kite , perhaps tap the electrostatic potential between kite and ground ( lots of moving air to add or remove charge ) and you would n't really need to worry about lightning if you designed the thing to vapourise on a strike.And they 'd be pretty too .
I 'd vote for the Man in the Moon pattern myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But first off, where are we going to get the money to start buying kites?
No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny.
Second, why would you invest in a new technology when there are other (probably more-efficient) green technologies.Ok, what - exactly what - is greener than a kite?
Or a longer established technology?
(cries, weeps bitter tears.
)On the gripping hand, you could have miniature wind turbines attached to the kite, perhaps tap the electrostatic potential between kite and ground (lots of moving air to add or remove charge) and you wouldn't really need to worry about lightning if you designed the thing to vapourise on a strike.And they'd be pretty too.
I'd vote for the Man in the Moon pattern myself.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28344835</id>
	<title>Re:Have you been to Burningman?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245093060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buckminster Fuller had some more serious ideas about floating cities:</p><p>http://stevendejonckheere.blogspot.com/2006/08/cloud-nine.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buckminster Fuller had some more serious ideas about floating cities : http : //stevendejonckheere.blogspot.com/2006/08/cloud-nine.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buckminster Fuller had some more serious ideas about floating cities:http://stevendejonckheere.blogspot.com/2006/08/cloud-nine.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342609</id>
	<title>Re:How many</title>
	<author>Swanktastic</author>
	<datestamp>1245071520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only the ones that fly into it.</p><p>Next question...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only the ones that fly into it.Next question.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only the ones that fly into it.Next question...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342155</id>
	<title>All other considerations aside</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245068520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously what would happen if we start removing all this kinetic energy from the atmosphere.  I know we have been doing it with windmills but have we studied the effects of those windmills?  Up till now we have been removing a trifling amount of energy and all we draw may prove to be a trifling amount but what if it isn't.  Do we start having fewer and gentler storms causing currents in the ocean to not do what they do or do we lose the ability of that wind somewhere else to pollinate a field?  Seriously I don't think it's been thought out any more than "What do we do when the oil runs out" was 100 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously what would happen if we start removing all this kinetic energy from the atmosphere .
I know we have been doing it with windmills but have we studied the effects of those windmills ?
Up till now we have been removing a trifling amount of energy and all we draw may prove to be a trifling amount but what if it is n't .
Do we start having fewer and gentler storms causing currents in the ocean to not do what they do or do we lose the ability of that wind somewhere else to pollinate a field ?
Seriously I do n't think it 's been thought out any more than " What do we do when the oil runs out " was 100 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously what would happen if we start removing all this kinetic energy from the atmosphere.
I know we have been doing it with windmills but have we studied the effects of those windmills?
Up till now we have been removing a trifling amount of energy and all we draw may prove to be a trifling amount but what if it isn't.
Do we start having fewer and gentler storms causing currents in the ocean to not do what they do or do we lose the ability of that wind somewhere else to pollinate a field?
Seriously I don't think it's been thought out any more than "What do we do when the oil runs out" was 100 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342427</id>
	<title>Most ridiculous</title>
	<author>Ancient\_Hacker</author>
	<datestamp>1245070320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do any of these kite-engineers know how much a wind turbine and generator WEIGH?  We're talking hundreds of tons.  Please point to a kite that can lift 1\% of that.  Now go play with your kites and leave us alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do any of these kite-engineers know how much a wind turbine and generator WEIGH ?
We 're talking hundreds of tons .
Please point to a kite that can lift 1 \ % of that .
Now go play with your kites and leave us alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do any of these kite-engineers know how much a wind turbine and generator WEIGH?
We're talking hundreds of tons.
Please point to a kite that can lift 1\% of that.
Now go play with your kites and leave us alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342931</id>
	<title>Is it April 1st or something?</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1245074220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? Someone actually came up with this?</p><p>They've got to stop handing out so much pot in college...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Someone actually came up with this ? They 've got to stop handing out so much pot in college.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Someone actually came up with this?They've got to stop handing out so much pot in college...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342621</id>
	<title>Re:All together now ...</title>
	<author>D Ninja</author>
	<datestamp>1245071580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Came in here for this.</p><p>Left smiling.</p><p>Thank you, sir.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Came in here for this.Left smiling.Thank you , sir .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Came in here for this.Left smiling.Thank you, sir.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28344687</id>
	<title>Re:Hrmm...</title>
	<author>greenguy</author>
	<datestamp>1245091140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking just the opposite. When I hear about fluctuating flow, I keep thinking there must be a way to turn this to our advantage. Here's my idea...</p><p>You start with a good-sized counterweight. I don't know exactly how big -- that would depend on all sorts of variables. Anyway, you set it up with gears and pulleys and whatnot such that the wind lifts it up when it blows, and drops it down when it stops. A slight variation on this would be to ratchet the counterweight up to a considerable height, which would allow you to accumulate the power in small gusts, then release the counterweight to drive the rotor.</p><p>There must be something I'm overlooking, or someone would have thought of this by now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking just the opposite .
When I hear about fluctuating flow , I keep thinking there must be a way to turn this to our advantage .
Here 's my idea...You start with a good-sized counterweight .
I do n't know exactly how big -- that would depend on all sorts of variables .
Anyway , you set it up with gears and pulleys and whatnot such that the wind lifts it up when it blows , and drops it down when it stops .
A slight variation on this would be to ratchet the counterweight up to a considerable height , which would allow you to accumulate the power in small gusts , then release the counterweight to drive the rotor.There must be something I 'm overlooking , or someone would have thought of this by now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking just the opposite.
When I hear about fluctuating flow, I keep thinking there must be a way to turn this to our advantage.
Here's my idea...You start with a good-sized counterweight.
I don't know exactly how big -- that would depend on all sorts of variables.
Anyway, you set it up with gears and pulleys and whatnot such that the wind lifts it up when it blows, and drops it down when it stops.
A slight variation on this would be to ratchet the counterweight up to a considerable height, which would allow you to accumulate the power in small gusts, then release the counterweight to drive the rotor.There must be something I'm overlooking, or someone would have thought of this by now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342551</id>
	<title>Re:How is this going to impact the aircraft?</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1245071160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere?</i></p><p>This is just a wild guess, but I'm thinking it could be done the same way aircraft avoid each other.  Put nav lights and radar transponders on the kites.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere ? This is just a wild guess , but I 'm thinking it could be done the same way aircraft avoid each other .
Put nav lights and radar transponders on the kites.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext> how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere?This is just a wild guess, but I'm thinking it could be done the same way aircraft avoid each other.
Put nav lights and radar transponders on the kites.-jcr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342239</id>
	<title>MASS</title>
	<author>Merovign</author>
	<datestamp>1245069120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go ahead, build the lightest turbine you can, then tether it with the lightest 20,000-foot-long cable you can make that can transmit the electricty, and you won't be anywhere NEAR an amount of weight you can lift with anything short of a MASSIVE thinwing glider, which will catch the wind wrong for a second, the lift will slide off the wings and it will death-spiral along with that cable, beelining for a residential neighborhood near you.</p><p>Even if they had micro-nanotubes that could support the weight and deliver the power, or wireless power, or whatever, you'd still have mechanical failures and huge turbines plummeting into buildings (or ships if you put them over water).</p><p>This gets proposed every year somwhere, and it's just as dumb. There are a lot of good ideas out there and it's somewhat infuriating that perpetual-motion machines and microwave diamonds keep getting the attention.</p><p>Science journalists need to start INVESTIGATING things, not just mindlessly reporting the same nonsense every year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go ahead , build the lightest turbine you can , then tether it with the lightest 20,000-foot-long cable you can make that can transmit the electricty , and you wo n't be anywhere NEAR an amount of weight you can lift with anything short of a MASSIVE thinwing glider , which will catch the wind wrong for a second , the lift will slide off the wings and it will death-spiral along with that cable , beelining for a residential neighborhood near you.Even if they had micro-nanotubes that could support the weight and deliver the power , or wireless power , or whatever , you 'd still have mechanical failures and huge turbines plummeting into buildings ( or ships if you put them over water ) .This gets proposed every year somwhere , and it 's just as dumb .
There are a lot of good ideas out there and it 's somewhat infuriating that perpetual-motion machines and microwave diamonds keep getting the attention.Science journalists need to start INVESTIGATING things , not just mindlessly reporting the same nonsense every year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go ahead, build the lightest turbine you can, then tether it with the lightest 20,000-foot-long cable you can make that can transmit the electricty, and you won't be anywhere NEAR an amount of weight you can lift with anything short of a MASSIVE thinwing glider, which will catch the wind wrong for a second, the lift will slide off the wings and it will death-spiral along with that cable, beelining for a residential neighborhood near you.Even if they had micro-nanotubes that could support the weight and deliver the power, or wireless power, or whatever, you'd still have mechanical failures and huge turbines plummeting into buildings (or ships if you put them over water).This gets proposed every year somwhere, and it's just as dumb.
There are a lot of good ideas out there and it's somewhat infuriating that perpetual-motion machines and microwave diamonds keep getting the attention.Science journalists need to start INVESTIGATING things, not just mindlessly reporting the same nonsense every year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28345467</id>
	<title>What are the environmental effects of this?</title>
	<author>rammer</author>
	<datestamp>1245145140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when a jet stream stops or significantly weakens from years of power extraction?</p><p>Earth's rotation goes haywire?<br>Severe weather anomalies?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when a jet stream stops or significantly weakens from years of power extraction ? Earth 's rotation goes haywire ? Severe weather anomalies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when a jet stream stops or significantly weakens from years of power extraction?Earth's rotation goes haywire?Severe weather anomalies?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28347715</id>
	<title>Re:Have you been to Burningman?</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1245167940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A friend of mine made a carbon fibre vacuum "pontoon" to experiment with this notion. Essentially it was a balloon with a rigid structure that was neutrally buoyant at above sea level due to displacement of air with vacuum such that is was 'lighter than air'. Fortunately or unfortunately the carbon fiber was heavy enough that it didn't just float away<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-p</p><p>With a light enough rigid material that could hold a vacuum, you could create something that would be neutrally buoyant at altitude (where you have to displace a) a lot of atmosphere or b) be really really light weight.</p><p>Just something to get you thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine made a carbon fibre vacuum " pontoon " to experiment with this notion .
Essentially it was a balloon with a rigid structure that was neutrally buoyant at above sea level due to displacement of air with vacuum such that is was 'lighter than air' .
Fortunately or unfortunately the carbon fiber was heavy enough that it did n't just float away ; -pWith a light enough rigid material that could hold a vacuum , you could create something that would be neutrally buoyant at altitude ( where you have to displace a ) a lot of atmosphere or b ) be really really light weight.Just something to get you thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine made a carbon fibre vacuum "pontoon" to experiment with this notion.
Essentially it was a balloon with a rigid structure that was neutrally buoyant at above sea level due to displacement of air with vacuum such that is was 'lighter than air'.
Fortunately or unfortunately the carbon fiber was heavy enough that it didn't just float away ;-pWith a light enough rigid material that could hold a vacuum, you could create something that would be neutrally buoyant at altitude (where you have to displace a) a lot of atmosphere or b) be really really light weight.Just something to get you thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341845</id>
	<title>Major side benefit</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1245066720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great defense against incoming jetliners as the kites get sucked into engines, either from terrorists or major campaign donors out for a spin in Air Force One.</p><p>It'll be like the ending of Mary Poppins, only it never ends!  Let's go fly a kite, up to the highest height...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great defense against incoming jetliners as the kites get sucked into engines , either from terrorists or major campaign donors out for a spin in Air Force One.It 'll be like the ending of Mary Poppins , only it never ends !
Let 's go fly a kite , up to the highest height.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great defense against incoming jetliners as the kites get sucked into engines, either from terrorists or major campaign donors out for a spin in Air Force One.It'll be like the ending of Mary Poppins, only it never ends!
Let's go fly a kite, up to the highest height...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28349531</id>
	<title>Re:OMG Think of the planes!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245174960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only effect this would have on air traffic is that ATC would redirect commercial flights around the kites, which isn't particularly hard to do.</p></div><p>OK let me line this out for you.</p><p>First of all, we have 20,000 foot of tether cable to deal with.</p><p>Now, once the kite is deployed, the prevailing jet stream would keep it more or less stationary, but it would move around some as the stream shifts. There are also sheer winds at various altitudes so the tether itself isn't going to exactly be in a straight line, it'll be somewhat curved back and forth. Any wind sheer at other altitudes will affect the position and altitude of the kite end as well as the cable itself..</p><p>So instead of the air traffic controllers &amp; pilots working with normal objects, at most a few hundred feet in length, and computer systems which all are expecting objects to behave as points.... you have to deal with a 20,000 foot long cable that is in a more or less unknown position within a known radius, and whipping around. Right off the bat you'll either need to start doing some heavy calculus instead of basic geometry, or just keep planes out of the effective possible radial "cone". The first option is not feasible, the second option has issues as well. You see, there would have to be more than one of these things, and they'd have to be spaced far enough apart so they wouldn't bump or tangle. You start ending up with some rather large volumes that suddenly you can't fly under or over, around is the only option.</p><p>In short, it's a very significant issue, but it's a moot point until someone can actual float something like that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only effect this would have on air traffic is that ATC would redirect commercial flights around the kites , which is n't particularly hard to do.OK let me line this out for you.First of all , we have 20,000 foot of tether cable to deal with.Now , once the kite is deployed , the prevailing jet stream would keep it more or less stationary , but it would move around some as the stream shifts .
There are also sheer winds at various altitudes so the tether itself is n't going to exactly be in a straight line , it 'll be somewhat curved back and forth .
Any wind sheer at other altitudes will affect the position and altitude of the kite end as well as the cable itself..So instead of the air traffic controllers &amp; pilots working with normal objects , at most a few hundred feet in length , and computer systems which all are expecting objects to behave as points.... you have to deal with a 20,000 foot long cable that is in a more or less unknown position within a known radius , and whipping around .
Right off the bat you 'll either need to start doing some heavy calculus instead of basic geometry , or just keep planes out of the effective possible radial " cone " .
The first option is not feasible , the second option has issues as well .
You see , there would have to be more than one of these things , and they 'd have to be spaced far enough apart so they would n't bump or tangle .
You start ending up with some rather large volumes that suddenly you ca n't fly under or over , around is the only option.In short , it 's a very significant issue , but it 's a moot point until someone can actual float something like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only effect this would have on air traffic is that ATC would redirect commercial flights around the kites, which isn't particularly hard to do.OK let me line this out for you.First of all, we have 20,000 foot of tether cable to deal with.Now, once the kite is deployed, the prevailing jet stream would keep it more or less stationary, but it would move around some as the stream shifts.
There are also sheer winds at various altitudes so the tether itself isn't going to exactly be in a straight line, it'll be somewhat curved back and forth.
Any wind sheer at other altitudes will affect the position and altitude of the kite end as well as the cable itself..So instead of the air traffic controllers &amp; pilots working with normal objects, at most a few hundred feet in length, and computer systems which all are expecting objects to behave as points.... you have to deal with a 20,000 foot long cable that is in a more or less unknown position within a known radius, and whipping around.
Right off the bat you'll either need to start doing some heavy calculus instead of basic geometry, or just keep planes out of the effective possible radial "cone".
The first option is not feasible, the second option has issues as well.
You see, there would have to be more than one of these things, and they'd have to be spaced far enough apart so they wouldn't bump or tangle.
You start ending up with some rather large volumes that suddenly you can't fly under or over, around is the only option.In short, it's a very significant issue, but it's a moot point until someone can actual float something like that.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341821</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245066540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Monorail</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Monorail</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monorail</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341859</id>
	<title>Cool...</title>
	<author>XPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1245066780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But first off, where are we going to get the money to start buying kites? No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny. Second, why would you invest in a new technology when there are other (probably more-efficient) green technologies. Now isn't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession. Lastly, where are going to put them, in the plains of the Midwest? What happens when the kites start interfering with birds and such?</p><p>It's a nice idea in theory, but not practical (at least for now).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But first off , where are we going to get the money to start buying kites ?
No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny .
Second , why would you invest in a new technology when there are other ( probably more-efficient ) green technologies .
Now is n't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession .
Lastly , where are going to put them , in the plains of the Midwest ?
What happens when the kites start interfering with birds and such ? It 's a nice idea in theory , but not practical ( at least for now ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But first off, where are we going to get the money to start buying kites?
No doubt a fleet of electricity generating kites are going to cost a pretty penny.
Second, why would you invest in a new technology when there are other (probably more-efficient) green technologies.
Now isn't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.
Lastly, where are going to put them, in the plains of the Midwest?
What happens when the kites start interfering with birds and such?It's a nice idea in theory, but not practical (at least for now).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342377</id>
	<title>Nobody Expects the Thunderstorm of Doom!</title>
	<author>SockPuppet\_9\_5</author>
	<datestamp>1245069960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you could assure your investors and insurers that you'd never be at risk for severe storm damage, I could see flying a kite at that altitude.<br>Once.  You might keep it up there for three months, maybe six.  And then a storm comes along with a change in wind direction that exceeds your tolerances, and you have wounded duck hurtling down to knock some heads.  The conditions that would disrupt your kite and potentially bring it down would be the same conditions you would NOT allow an inflated balloon to be in, the only thing that would keep it from reaching terminal velocity.<br>You might be able to launch a balloon that runs above everything, to say 45,000', but I doubt the amount of lift that would provide -- perhaps someone can run the numbers.<br>You could call the first one launched "The Sword Of Damocles"!<br>NIMBY turns into NAMH (Not Above My Head)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you could assure your investors and insurers that you 'd never be at risk for severe storm damage , I could see flying a kite at that altitude.Once .
You might keep it up there for three months , maybe six .
And then a storm comes along with a change in wind direction that exceeds your tolerances , and you have wounded duck hurtling down to knock some heads .
The conditions that would disrupt your kite and potentially bring it down would be the same conditions you would NOT allow an inflated balloon to be in , the only thing that would keep it from reaching terminal velocity.You might be able to launch a balloon that runs above everything , to say 45,000 ' , but I doubt the amount of lift that would provide -- perhaps someone can run the numbers.You could call the first one launched " The Sword Of Damocles " ! NIMBY turns into NAMH ( Not Above My Head )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you could assure your investors and insurers that you'd never be at risk for severe storm damage, I could see flying a kite at that altitude.Once.
You might keep it up there for three months, maybe six.
And then a storm comes along with a change in wind direction that exceeds your tolerances, and you have wounded duck hurtling down to knock some heads.
The conditions that would disrupt your kite and potentially bring it down would be the same conditions you would NOT allow an inflated balloon to be in, the only thing that would keep it from reaching terminal velocity.You might be able to launch a balloon that runs above everything, to say 45,000', but I doubt the amount of lift that would provide -- perhaps someone can run the numbers.You could call the first one launched "The Sword Of Damocles"!NIMBY turns into NAMH (Not Above My Head)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341993</id>
	<title>Power line</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1245067500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A kite which can support a 30,000 foot electric line?  I'm thinking there are some serious engineering challenges there.  Probably involving unobtanium and other exotic materials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A kite which can support a 30,000 foot electric line ?
I 'm thinking there are some serious engineering challenges there .
Probably involving unobtanium and other exotic materials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A kite which can support a 30,000 foot electric line?
I'm thinking there are some serious engineering challenges there.
Probably involving unobtanium and other exotic materials.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343503</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>MobileTatsu-NJG</author>
	<datestamp>1245079080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet, Einstein.</p></div><p>Small nitpick:  Presumably these kites will have cables reaching all the way down to the ground.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet , Einstein.Small nitpick : Presumably these kites will have cables reaching all the way down to the ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet, Einstein.Small nitpick:  Presumably these kites will have cables reaching all the way down to the ground.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342219</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28346065</id>
	<title>any one else</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245155280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>any one else think it said KIKES?</htmltext>
<tokenext>any one else think it said KIKES ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>any one else think it said KIKES?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343607</id>
	<title>Many * Bad == OhShit!</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1245080100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The more things you have in the sky, the more likely something is to go wrong. Every now and then one will break due to age and/or gusts, get crashed into by a dumb bird, etc, and come tumbling down. With a large volume of them, the accident rate is going to be fairly high. Most will probably just harmless careen into the side of a building breaking a window or two, but some will cause traffic accidents or directly impact somebody.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more things you have in the sky , the more likely something is to go wrong .
Every now and then one will break due to age and/or gusts , get crashed into by a dumb bird , etc , and come tumbling down .
With a large volume of them , the accident rate is going to be fairly high .
Most will probably just harmless careen into the side of a building breaking a window or two , but some will cause traffic accidents or directly impact somebody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more things you have in the sky, the more likely something is to go wrong.
Every now and then one will break due to age and/or gusts, get crashed into by a dumb bird, etc, and come tumbling down.
With a large volume of them, the accident rate is going to be fairly high.
Most will probably just harmless careen into the side of a building breaking a window or two, but some will cause traffic accidents or directly impact somebody.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343973</id>
	<title>Re:Environmental issues?</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1245083520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream?</p></div></blockquote><p>Somewhere in the amazon jungle a butterfly has to flap it's wings a lot harder.<br> <br> <br>To be a more serious the amounts of energy involved in moving this air about are similar to that released by nearly every nuclear weapon on the planet going off at once.  That's a LOT of kites to start dragging in that much energy, we really are talking about the effect of slowing down a hurricane by sneezing against the wind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream ? Somewhere in the amazon jungle a butterfly has to flap it 's wings a lot harder .
To be a more serious the amounts of energy involved in moving this air about are similar to that released by nearly every nuclear weapon on the planet going off at once .
That 's a LOT of kites to start dragging in that much energy , we really are talking about the effect of slowing down a hurricane by sneezing against the wind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream?Somewhere in the amazon jungle a butterfly has to flap it's wings a lot harder.
To be a more serious the amounts of energy involved in moving this air about are similar to that released by nearly every nuclear weapon on the planet going off at once.
That's a LOT of kites to start dragging in that much energy, we really are talking about the effect of slowing down a hurricane by sneezing against the wind.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342089</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342107</id>
	<title>Re:How is this going to impact the aircraft?</title>
	<author>incognito84</author>
	<datestamp>1245068220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, it's fine. We just need to lubricate them sufficiently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it 's fine .
We just need to lubricate them sufficiently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it's fine.
We just need to lubricate them sufficiently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341863</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342093</id>
	<title>Makani power is already designing these</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245068040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.makanipower.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.makanipower.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.makanipower.com/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343059</id>
	<title>Re:Power line</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245075180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>uh, no... the power generation happens on the ground.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>uh , no... the power generation happens on the ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uh, no... the power generation happens on the ground.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341993</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342719</id>
	<title>Re:How is this going to impact the aircraft?</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1245072540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>New York already has the most congested airways in the country, and possibly in the world. If these kites are at 30,000 feet, and most commercial airplanes fly around 35,000 feet, how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere?</p></div><p>Um, I dunno<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... maybe fly them somewhere else and run a cable to the grid?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>New York already has the most congested airways in the country , and possibly in the world .
If these kites are at 30,000 feet , and most commercial airplanes fly around 35,000 feet , how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere ? Um , I dunno ... maybe fly them somewhere else and run a cable to the grid ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New York already has the most congested airways in the country, and possibly in the world.
If these kites are at 30,000 feet, and most commercial airplanes fly around 35,000 feet, how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere?Um, I dunno ... maybe fly them somewhere else and run a cable to the grid?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342677</id>
	<title>OOOPS!!!! Isn't there a problem?</title>
	<author>Vinegar Joe</author>
	<datestamp>1245072120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the news that the winds are dying down?</p><p><a href="http://www.livescience.com/environment/etc/090610-winds-are-dying-down-study-suggests.html" title="livescience.com">http://www.livescience.com/environment/etc/090610-winds-are-dying-down-study-suggests.html</a> [livescience.com]</p><p>Oh well....I guess they could always fly them over Washington, DC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the news that the winds are dying down ? http : //www.livescience.com/environment/etc/090610-winds-are-dying-down-study-suggests.html [ livescience.com ] Oh well....I guess they could always fly them over Washington , DC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the news that the winds are dying down?http://www.livescience.com/environment/etc/090610-winds-are-dying-down-study-suggests.html [livescience.com]Oh well....I guess they could always fly them over Washington, DC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342813</id>
	<title>Re:OMG Think of the planes!</title>
	<author>scerruti</author>
	<datestamp>1245073200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure it may not be a problem for your airplane, but what about for the tens of thousands of flying cars that will be filling the sky over the major cities?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure it may not be a problem for your airplane , but what about for the tens of thousands of flying cars that will be filling the sky over the major cities ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure it may not be a problem for your airplane, but what about for the tens of thousands of flying cars that will be filling the sky over the major cities?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342137</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342205</id>
	<title>i just got off the toilet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245068880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i shit out an obama.<br> <br>plop!</htmltext>
<tokenext>i shit out an obama .
plop !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i shit out an obama.
plop!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28346359</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1245159180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's not even a nice idea in theory.<br>It's an obviously stupid idea.</p></div><p>Maybe it's a stupid idea.<br>But not obviously so. Perhaps you can put your finger on the 'obvious' flaws, instead of dismissing someone's hard work in two sentences.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not even a nice idea in theory.It 's an obviously stupid idea.Maybe it 's a stupid idea.But not obviously so .
Perhaps you can put your finger on the 'obvious ' flaws , instead of dismissing someone 's hard work in two sentences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not even a nice idea in theory.It's an obviously stupid idea.Maybe it's a stupid idea.But not obviously so.
Perhaps you can put your finger on the 'obvious' flaws, instead of dismissing someone's hard work in two sentences.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341931</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28345577</id>
	<title>Re:How many</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245147360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends... are the kites Muslim?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends... are the kites Muslim ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends... are the kites Muslim?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341955</id>
	<title>Energy vs Consequences</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245067320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have any of these jackasses considered the consequences of removing all this kinetic energy from those streams? What happens when you harness all that energy and slow down that wind? I'm no genius, but I'm betting the results could be very very bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have any of these jackasses considered the consequences of removing all this kinetic energy from those streams ?
What happens when you harness all that energy and slow down that wind ?
I 'm no genius , but I 'm betting the results could be very very bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have any of these jackasses considered the consequences of removing all this kinetic energy from those streams?
What happens when you harness all that energy and slow down that wind?
I'm no genius, but I'm betting the results could be very very bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28350579</id>
	<title>Re:Call Charlie Brown - we've got a kite-eating tr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245178320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And how much wind does it take to support the weight of 6 mile long high voltage wire?</p></div><p>None. You dispense with the kites and hang the turbines off the space elevator.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And how much wind does it take to support the weight of 6 mile long high voltage wire ? None .
You dispense with the kites and hang the turbines off the space elevator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how much wind does it take to support the weight of 6 mile long high voltage wire?None.
You dispense with the kites and hang the turbines off the space elevator.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341965</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341935</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1245067140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to mention the dreaded Kite Krash when the winds die.</p><p>Imagine a whirling blade structure auto rotating down into (insert nightmare scenario here).</p><p>Then how many 12 year olds will it take to run into the wind to pull it back again when the winds return?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention the dreaded Kite Krash when the winds die.Imagine a whirling blade structure auto rotating down into ( insert nightmare scenario here ) .Then how many 12 year olds will it take to run into the wind to pull it back again when the winds return ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention the dreaded Kite Krash when the winds die.Imagine a whirling blade structure auto rotating down into (insert nightmare scenario here).Then how many 12 year olds will it take to run into the wind to pull it back again when the winds return?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342091</id>
	<title>Re:How is this going to impact the aircraft?</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1245068040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everywhere else we call it navigation.  I don't know what you would call it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everywhere else we call it navigation .
I do n't know what you would call it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everywhere else we call it navigation.
I don't know what you would call it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341863</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342727</id>
	<title>Re:Hrmm...</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1245072600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Helium is a rare gas here on earth that we would be wise to <a href="http://nanoscale.blogspot.com/2007/09/secret-joys-of-running-lab-helium.html" title="blogspot.com">conserve rather than waste</a> [blogspot.com]; it is scarce and it is becoming scarcer because we are squandering it. The only reason why many Americans don't understand the relative scarcity of helium (we are rapidly depleting our current supplies and once it all escapes into space it won't be easy to get more) is because the United States happens to have the worlds largest known reserves of helium produced from radioactive decay in oil wells in parts of the State of Texas combined with the fact that for years oil producers were required to collect the helium and sell it to the government for storage in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Helium\_Reserve" title="wikipedia.org">Strategic Helium Reserve</a> [wikipedia.org]. I cringe when I see helium wasted on things like blimps for sporting events and party balloons because like many other limited natural resources we will only truly appreciate it when it is too late and the helium on this planet is almost gone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Helium is a rare gas here on earth that we would be wise to conserve rather than waste [ blogspot.com ] ; it is scarce and it is becoming scarcer because we are squandering it .
The only reason why many Americans do n't understand the relative scarcity of helium ( we are rapidly depleting our current supplies and once it all escapes into space it wo n't be easy to get more ) is because the United States happens to have the worlds largest known reserves of helium produced from radioactive decay in oil wells in parts of the State of Texas combined with the fact that for years oil producers were required to collect the helium and sell it to the government for storage in the Strategic Helium Reserve [ wikipedia.org ] .
I cringe when I see helium wasted on things like blimps for sporting events and party balloons because like many other limited natural resources we will only truly appreciate it when it is too late and the helium on this planet is almost gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Helium is a rare gas here on earth that we would be wise to conserve rather than waste [blogspot.com]; it is scarce and it is becoming scarcer because we are squandering it.
The only reason why many Americans don't understand the relative scarcity of helium (we are rapidly depleting our current supplies and once it all escapes into space it won't be easy to get more) is because the United States happens to have the worlds largest known reserves of helium produced from radioactive decay in oil wells in parts of the State of Texas combined with the fact that for years oil producers were required to collect the helium and sell it to the government for storage in the Strategic Helium Reserve [wikipedia.org].
I cringe when I see helium wasted on things like blimps for sporting events and party balloons because like many other limited natural resources we will only truly appreciate it when it is too late and the helium on this planet is almost gone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341945</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342595</id>
	<title>If you ask me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245071460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...it sounds a lot like a kitedream!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...it sounds a lot like a kitedream !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it sounds a lot like a kitedream!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342699</id>
	<title>cost prohibitive</title>
	<author>iron spartan</author>
	<datestamp>1245072360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wind power isn't cheap.  The cost of maintenance on hundreds of generators over thousands of square miles alone spikes the cost.  The most efficient wind farms only produce 41\% percent capacity.  I doubt you can find a place that the jet stream lingers over long enough to make this idea feasible even if it was cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wind power is n't cheap .
The cost of maintenance on hundreds of generators over thousands of square miles alone spikes the cost .
The most efficient wind farms only produce 41 \ % percent capacity .
I doubt you can find a place that the jet stream lingers over long enough to make this idea feasible even if it was cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wind power isn't cheap.
The cost of maintenance on hundreds of generators over thousands of square miles alone spikes the cost.
The most efficient wind farms only produce 41\% percent capacity.
I doubt you can find a place that the jet stream lingers over long enough to make this idea feasible even if it was cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342777</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>Quothz</author>
	<datestamp>1245072900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is there "no doubt" about this?  Is there some reason why kites have to be very expensive?</p></div><p>I'm'a go out on a limb here and guess the OP read the article and you didn't. I'd suggest you look at the part in which they talk about how very, very expensive it would be.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet, Einstein.</p></div><p>That's true, but I'm fairly sure that very few birds fly <i>higher</i>. Which means (try to stay with me) they fly <i>below</i> the kites. Now, I'm no Einstein myself, but I'm given to understand that the tethers connecting the kites to the ground would probably be made of matter, rather than a magical material that holds kites in place but lets birds pass through freely.

</p><p>On a related note, I'll add my concern that while this may be a good technology on a small-to-medium scale, any large-scale world-wide usage could interfere not just with birds but with the air currents themselves. I'd favor developing it, but I'd be cautious about how it's implemented.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is there " no doubt " about this ?
Is there some reason why kites have to be very expensive ? I 'm'a go out on a limb here and guess the OP read the article and you did n't .
I 'd suggest you look at the part in which they talk about how very , very expensive it would be.Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet , Einstein.That 's true , but I 'm fairly sure that very few birds fly higher .
Which means ( try to stay with me ) they fly below the kites .
Now , I 'm no Einstein myself , but I 'm given to understand that the tethers connecting the kites to the ground would probably be made of matter , rather than a magical material that holds kites in place but lets birds pass through freely .
On a related note , I 'll add my concern that while this may be a good technology on a small-to-medium scale , any large-scale world-wide usage could interfere not just with birds but with the air currents themselves .
I 'd favor developing it , but I 'd be cautious about how it 's implemented .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is there "no doubt" about this?
Is there some reason why kites have to be very expensive?I'm'a go out on a limb here and guess the OP read the article and you didn't.
I'd suggest you look at the part in which they talk about how very, very expensive it would be.Not many birds fly at 30,000 feet, Einstein.That's true, but I'm fairly sure that very few birds fly higher.
Which means (try to stay with me) they fly below the kites.
Now, I'm no Einstein myself, but I'm given to understand that the tethers connecting the kites to the ground would probably be made of matter, rather than a magical material that holds kites in place but lets birds pass through freely.
On a related note, I'll add my concern that while this may be a good technology on a small-to-medium scale, any large-scale world-wide usage could interfere not just with birds but with the air currents themselves.
I'd favor developing it, but I'd be cautious about how it's implemented.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342219</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28347497</id>
	<title>Re:Major side benefit</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1245166920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Great defense against incoming jetliners as the kites get sucked into engines, either from terrorists or major campaign donors out for a spin in Air Force One.</p><p>It'll be like the ending of Mary Poppins, only it never ends!  Let's go fly a kite, up to the highest height...</p></div><p>Did Mary Poppins get sucked into a jet engine? I'd like to know, but not enough to watch the movie again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great defense against incoming jetliners as the kites get sucked into engines , either from terrorists or major campaign donors out for a spin in Air Force One.It 'll be like the ending of Mary Poppins , only it never ends !
Let 's go fly a kite , up to the highest height...Did Mary Poppins get sucked into a jet engine ?
I 'd like to know , but not enough to watch the movie again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great defense against incoming jetliners as the kites get sucked into engines, either from terrorists or major campaign donors out for a spin in Air Force One.It'll be like the ending of Mary Poppins, only it never ends!
Let's go fly a kite, up to the highest height...Did Mary Poppins get sucked into a jet engine?
I'd like to know, but not enough to watch the movie again.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342717</id>
	<title>Re:MASS</title>
	<author>smaddox</author>
	<datestamp>1245072540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly if you had INVESTIGATED the proposal, you would know that it does not involve lifting turbines. The kite is flown in a circular or figure-8 motion. On the ground, a generator extracts energy from the rotating tether. There are already test sites.</p><p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/saul\_griffith\_on\_kites\_as\_the\_future\_of\_renewable\_energy.html" title="ted.com">http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/saul\_griffith\_on\_kites\_as\_the\_future\_of\_renewable\_energy.html</a> [ted.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly if you had INVESTIGATED the proposal , you would know that it does not involve lifting turbines .
The kite is flown in a circular or figure-8 motion .
On the ground , a generator extracts energy from the rotating tether .
There are already test sites.http : //www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/saul \ _griffith \ _on \ _kites \ _as \ _the \ _future \ _of \ _renewable \ _energy.html [ ted.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly if you had INVESTIGATED the proposal, you would know that it does not involve lifting turbines.
The kite is flown in a circular or figure-8 motion.
On the ground, a generator extracts energy from the rotating tether.
There are already test sites.http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/saul\_griffith\_on\_kites\_as\_the\_future\_of\_renewable\_energy.html [ted.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342239</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28351837</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, amazing design</title>
	<author>istartedi</author>
	<datestamp>1245182820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pies.  As in "pie in the sky".  That would be the joke there.
I guess it failed because I have to explain it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pies .
As in " pie in the sky " .
That would be the joke there .
I guess it failed because I have to explain it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pies.
As in "pie in the sky".
That would be the joke there.
I guess it failed because I have to explain it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342189</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28344141</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>anarche</author>
	<datestamp>1245085080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now isn't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.</p></div><p>Now really is the time to start innovating. A lot of people are going to have a <i>lot</i> of spare time on their hands, and since the old way of doing business has failed so spectacularly, now might be the time to think about new ways of doing things</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now is n't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.Now really is the time to start innovating .
A lot of people are going to have a lot of spare time on their hands , and since the old way of doing business has failed so spectacularly , now might be the time to think about new ways of doing things</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now isn't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.Now really is the time to start innovating.
A lot of people are going to have a lot of spare time on their hands, and since the old way of doing business has failed so spectacularly, now might be the time to think about new ways of doing things
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341859</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28351805</id>
	<title>Re:MASS</title>
	<author>Usquebaugh</author>
	<datestamp>1245182700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But lifting turbines has been proposed by other groups in this problem space.</p><p>Soft and hard tethered flying vehicles have been proposed to lift said turbines.</p><p>The bullshit stops when one of these groups gets paid for power to the grid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But lifting turbines has been proposed by other groups in this problem space.Soft and hard tethered flying vehicles have been proposed to lift said turbines.The bullshit stops when one of these groups gets paid for power to the grid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But lifting turbines has been proposed by other groups in this problem space.Soft and hard tethered flying vehicles have been proposed to lift said turbines.The bullshit stops when one of these groups gets paid for power to the grid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342717</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342637</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245071760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now isn't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.</p></div><p>So, what should we do? Sit down and wait until everything is okay again?<br>It's exactly this kind of thought that causes  the recession!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now is n't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.So , what should we do ?
Sit down and wait until everything is okay again ? It 's exactly this kind of thought that causes the recession !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now isn't the time to start innovating from scratch with the global recession.So, what should we do?
Sit down and wait until everything is okay again?It's exactly this kind of thought that causes  the recession!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341859</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342665</id>
	<title>So how do you launch them?</title>
	<author>e9th</author>
	<datestamp>1245072060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TFA speaks about 20000-50000 feet. How do you get that much tether, and a kite big enough to hold it, up that high? Do you start with the tether attached to the ground or the kite?</htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA speaks about 20000-50000 feet .
How do you get that much tether , and a kite big enough to hold it , up that high ?
Do you start with the tether attached to the ground or the kite ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA speaks about 20000-50000 feet.
How do you get that much tether, and a kite big enough to hold it, up that high?
Do you start with the tether attached to the ground or the kite?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341855</id>
	<title>How many</title>
	<author>SupremoMan</author>
	<datestamp>1245066780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many planes will this thing bring down?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many planes will this thing bring down ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many planes will this thing bring down?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28345499</id>
	<title>Re:Power line</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245145740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they could beam the energy down with microwaves!</p><p>OMG microwaves!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they could beam the energy down with microwaves ! OMG microwaves !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they could beam the energy down with microwaves!OMG microwaves!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28348755</id>
	<title>Am I the only one...</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245172500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...who read the headline as "Jet Stream Kittens to Power New York City"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...who read the headline as " Jet Stream Kittens to Power New York City " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...who read the headline as "Jet Stream Kittens to Power New York City"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28352279</id>
	<title>Re:Most ridiculous</title>
	<author>james\_shoemaker</author>
	<datestamp>1245184620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>  MegaFlag is flown on 20Ton line to keep it from breaking the line, and usually uses a loaded dump truck as an anchor.</p><p>James</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MegaFlag is flown on 20Ton line to keep it from breaking the line , and usually uses a loaded dump truck as an anchor.James</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  MegaFlag is flown on 20Ton line to keep it from breaking the line, and usually uses a loaded dump truck as an anchor.James</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342189</id>
	<title>Yeah, amazing design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245068760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard the kites were shaped like pies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard the kites were shaped like pies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard the kites were shaped like pies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342533</id>
	<title>MetaTag: "Whatcouldpossiblygowrong"</title>
	<author>GameMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1245071100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know for certain, but I think it involves a portly Philadelphian and a key...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know for certain , but I think it involves a portly Philadelphian and a key.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know for certain, but I think it involves a portly Philadelphian and a key...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28350209</id>
	<title>Re:Environmental issues?</title>
	<author>stevotower</author>
	<datestamp>1245177120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've wondered about this in conjunction with all the wind farms being set up as well.  Where's the international concern about GLOBAL STILLING???  I mean, it's bad enough that everything is getting hotter, but now everyone is trying to kill the breeze too!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've wondered about this in conjunction with all the wind farms being set up as well .
Where 's the international concern about GLOBAL STILLING ? ? ?
I mean , it 's bad enough that everything is getting hotter , but now everyone is trying to kill the breeze too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've wondered about this in conjunction with all the wind farms being set up as well.
Where's the international concern about GLOBAL STILLING???
I mean, it's bad enough that everything is getting hotter, but now everyone is trying to kill the breeze too!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341863</id>
	<title>How is this going to impact the aircraft?</title>
	<author>verbalcontract</author>
	<datestamp>1245066780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New York already has the most congested airways in the country, and possibly in the world. If these kites are at 30,000 feet, and most commercial airplanes fly around 35,000 feet, how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere?</p><p>Or is this just <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/15/1658255/Introducing-the-Warpship" title="slashdot.org">"Let's Dream</a> [slashdot.org]  <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/15/1654225/Ubisoft-CEO-Says-Next-Gen-Consoles-Closer-Than-We-Think" title="slashdot.org">a Dream" Day</a> [slashdot.org] on Slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New York already has the most congested airways in the country , and possibly in the world .
If these kites are at 30,000 feet , and most commercial airplanes fly around 35,000 feet , how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere ? Or is this just " Let 's Dream [ slashdot.org ] a Dream " Day [ slashdot.org ] on Slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New York already has the most congested airways in the country, and possibly in the world.
If these kites are at 30,000 feet, and most commercial airplanes fly around 35,000 feet, how are we not going to have a bunch of severed kites everywhere?Or is this just "Let's Dream [slashdot.org]  a Dream" Day [slashdot.org] on Slashdot?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341927</id>
	<title>Better Options</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245067140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do need renewable, unAMERICAN, Terroristic, energy sources when we can keep burning coal and sticking it Mother Earth, the slut.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do need renewable , unAMERICAN , Terroristic , energy sources when we can keep burning coal and sticking it Mother Earth , the slut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do need renewable, unAMERICAN, Terroristic, energy sources when we can keep burning coal and sticking it Mother Earth, the slut.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341877</id>
	<title>Airplanes</title>
	<author>jdigriz</author>
	<datestamp>1245066900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't suppose it occurred to them that the Eastern seaboard is also among the most congested airspace on Earth?  Planes already have enough issues hitting birds. Solar thermal stations  Solar Power satellites are the way to go, to deserted areas, with long haul transmission lines to population centers.   Heck, if you wanted to you could do both, the waste absorbed energy in the atmosphere would probably make for some pretty consistent winds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't suppose it occurred to them that the Eastern seaboard is also among the most congested airspace on Earth ?
Planes already have enough issues hitting birds .
Solar thermal stations Solar Power satellites are the way to go , to deserted areas , with long haul transmission lines to population centers .
Heck , if you wanted to you could do both , the waste absorbed energy in the atmosphere would probably make for some pretty consistent winds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't suppose it occurred to them that the Eastern seaboard is also among the most congested airspace on Earth?
Planes already have enough issues hitting birds.
Solar thermal stations  Solar Power satellites are the way to go, to deserted areas, with long haul transmission lines to population centers.
Heck, if you wanted to you could do both, the waste absorbed energy in the atmosphere would probably make for some pretty consistent winds.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28344497</id>
	<title>Atmospheric Denisity Problem</title>
	<author>supercell</author>
	<datestamp>1245089340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The atmospheric pressure at 30-40K feet is around 200 millibars, basically the air is only 20\% as dense as it is at the surface (~1000 millibars). So the kinetic energy available in a 120 mph wind at 30K feet is only a small fraction of what that kind of wind is at the surface.

Point being, a 100+ mph wind sounds impressive, but at that altitude the kinetic energy is much less than it is at the surface.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The atmospheric pressure at 30-40K feet is around 200 millibars , basically the air is only 20 \ % as dense as it is at the surface ( ~ 1000 millibars ) .
So the kinetic energy available in a 120 mph wind at 30K feet is only a small fraction of what that kind of wind is at the surface .
Point being , a 100 + mph wind sounds impressive , but at that altitude the kinetic energy is much less than it is at the surface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The atmospheric pressure at 30-40K feet is around 200 millibars, basically the air is only 20\% as dense as it is at the surface (~1000 millibars).
So the kinetic energy available in a 120 mph wind at 30K feet is only a small fraction of what that kind of wind is at the surface.
Point being, a 100+ mph wind sounds impressive, but at that altitude the kinetic energy is much less than it is at the surface.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28356539</id>
	<title>Re:Call Charlie Brown - we've got a kite-eating tr</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1245163320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that's why we need wireless power!<br> <br>

funny sig, by the way</htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's why we need wireless power !
funny sig , by the way</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's why we need wireless power!
funny sig, by the way</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341965</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28344337</id>
	<title>Re:MASS</title>
	<author>LordLimecat</author>
	<datestamp>1245087360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sort of hard to blame him for not spending hours researching the thing, the following language is kind of unambiguous:<blockquote><div><p>....kite-like turbines that would be floated to the altitude of the jet streams at an altitude of 20,000-50,000 feet and transmit up to 40 megawatts of electricity to the ground via the tether.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Im no expert on the english language, but the "that" in <i>kite-like turbines that would be floated</i> seems to refer to the kite-like turbines, and the part about transmitting 40 megawatts TO the ground implies that its coming FROM the kite (not that its being generated at the ground).<br> <br>Im also not sure how anyone was supposed to jump to your article from the one posted--your article mentions some guy named Saul Griffith while the posted one mentions a Ken Caldeira and Cristina Archer.  Exactly whats the link?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sort of hard to blame him for not spending hours researching the thing , the following language is kind of unambiguous : ....kite-like turbines that would be floated to the altitude of the jet streams at an altitude of 20,000-50,000 feet and transmit up to 40 megawatts of electricity to the ground via the tether .
Im no expert on the english language , but the " that " in kite-like turbines that would be floated seems to refer to the kite-like turbines , and the part about transmitting 40 megawatts TO the ground implies that its coming FROM the kite ( not that its being generated at the ground ) .
Im also not sure how anyone was supposed to jump to your article from the one posted--your article mentions some guy named Saul Griffith while the posted one mentions a Ken Caldeira and Cristina Archer .
Exactly whats the link ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sort of hard to blame him for not spending hours researching the thing, the following language is kind of unambiguous:....kite-like turbines that would be floated to the altitude of the jet streams at an altitude of 20,000-50,000 feet and transmit up to 40 megawatts of electricity to the ground via the tether.
Im no expert on the english language, but the "that" in kite-like turbines that would be floated seems to refer to the kite-like turbines, and the part about transmitting 40 megawatts TO the ground implies that its coming FROM the kite (not that its being generated at the ground).
Im also not sure how anyone was supposed to jump to your article from the one posted--your article mentions some guy named Saul Griffith while the posted one mentions a Ken Caldeira and Cristina Archer.
Exactly whats the link?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342717</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343661</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, amazing design</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1245080520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I heard the kites were shaped like pies.</p></div></blockquote><p>Make the pie higher!<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard the kites were shaped like pies.Make the pie higher !
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard the kites were shaped like pies.Make the pie higher!
     
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342189</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341965</id>
	<title>Call Charlie Brown - we've got a kite-eating tree!</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1245067380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Even over the best areas, the wind can be expected to fail about five percent of the time.</i> <br> <br> The heck with backup power sources -- who covers the liability when 6 miles of power-transmitting cable come crashing to the ground? And how much wind does it take to support the weight of 6 mile long high voltage wire?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even over the best areas , the wind can be expected to fail about five percent of the time .
The heck with backup power sources -- who covers the liability when 6 miles of power-transmitting cable come crashing to the ground ?
And how much wind does it take to support the weight of 6 mile long high voltage wire ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even over the best areas, the wind can be expected to fail about five percent of the time.
The heck with backup power sources -- who covers the liability when 6 miles of power-transmitting cable come crashing to the ground?
And how much wind does it take to support the weight of 6 mile long high voltage wire?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342443</id>
	<title>Re:Power line</title>
	<author>brentonboy</author>
	<datestamp>1245070440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A kite which can support a 30,000 foot electric line?  I'm thinking there are some serious engineering challenges there.  Probably involving unobtanium and other exotic materials.</p></div><p>I think it would be more reasonable to generate the electricity on the ground, using tension in the wire from the kite.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A kite which can support a 30,000 foot electric line ?
I 'm thinking there are some serious engineering challenges there .
Probably involving unobtanium and other exotic materials.I think it would be more reasonable to generate the electricity on the ground , using tension in the wire from the kite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A kite which can support a 30,000 foot electric line?
I'm thinking there are some serious engineering challenges there.
Probably involving unobtanium and other exotic materials.I think it would be more reasonable to generate the electricity on the ground, using tension in the wire from the kite.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341993</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342275</id>
	<title>Re:OMG Think of the planes!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245069300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the kite string probably has to reach all the way down to earth though, otherwise its not really a kite but a plane with a long tail wire.  It's that area between 5k and 15k feet where small planes and helis might not like a bunch of heavy wire "kite" strings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the kite string probably has to reach all the way down to earth though , otherwise its not really a kite but a plane with a long tail wire .
It 's that area between 5k and 15k feet where small planes and helis might not like a bunch of heavy wire " kite " strings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the kite string probably has to reach all the way down to earth though, otherwise its not really a kite but a plane with a long tail wire.
It's that area between 5k and 15k feet where small planes and helis might not like a bunch of heavy wire "kite" strings.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342137</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342089</id>
	<title>Environmental issues?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1245068040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream?  Does it change global air circulation?  Do you get climate changes throughout the world?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream ?
Does it change global air circulation ?
Do you get climate changes throughout the world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when you pull that much energy out of the jetstream?
Does it change global air circulation?
Do you get climate changes throughout the world?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341931</id>
	<title>Re:Cool...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245067140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not even a nice idea in theory.<br>It's an obviously stupid idea.</p><p>Whoever though it up just wants attention, money, or both.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not even a nice idea in theory.It 's an obviously stupid idea.Whoever though it up just wants attention , money , or both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not even a nice idea in theory.It's an obviously stupid idea.Whoever though it up just wants attention, money, or both.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341859</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343497</id>
	<title>Re:Power line</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245079080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It requires turbinium. First we'll need to colonize Mars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It requires turbinium .
First we 'll need to colonize Mars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It requires turbinium.
First we'll need to colonize Mars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341993</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342279</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245069300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Won't these slow the rotation of the earth?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wo n't these slow the rotation of the earth ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Won't these slow the rotation of the earth?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341945</id>
	<title>Hrmm...</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1245067200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Got me thinkin'.</p><p>I suppose the "fluctuating flow" problem could be circumvented by using helium bags to get the kites aloft initially, combined with a spooled tether.</p><p>When the jet-stream is coming close, the bags are filled and the kite spooled to the proper altitude. Once the jet-stream is sufficient to keep the kite aloft, the bags are deflated and stowed. When the jet-stream is predicted to be moving out of the area, the bags are re-inflated until there is no more reason to keep it aloft, at which time it spooled back in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Got me thinkin'.I suppose the " fluctuating flow " problem could be circumvented by using helium bags to get the kites aloft initially , combined with a spooled tether.When the jet-stream is coming close , the bags are filled and the kite spooled to the proper altitude .
Once the jet-stream is sufficient to keep the kite aloft , the bags are deflated and stowed .
When the jet-stream is predicted to be moving out of the area , the bags are re-inflated until there is no more reason to keep it aloft , at which time it spooled back in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Got me thinkin'.I suppose the "fluctuating flow" problem could be circumvented by using helium bags to get the kites aloft initially, combined with a spooled tether.When the jet-stream is coming close, the bags are filled and the kite spooled to the proper altitude.
Once the jet-stream is sufficient to keep the kite aloft, the bags are deflated and stowed.
When the jet-stream is predicted to be moving out of the area, the bags are re-inflated until there is no more reason to keep it aloft, at which time it spooled back in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342503</id>
	<title>Check out Makani Power</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245070920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>at http://www.makanipower.com/.  They already have prototypes built.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>at http : //www.makanipower.com/ .
They already have prototypes built .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at http://www.makanipower.com/.
They already have prototypes built.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28344953</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245094860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How to read "scientific news" containing the word "could".</p><p>Blah-de-blah-de-blah<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... (outlandish fantasy)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... blah de blah".</p><p>This is *not* news, it is stupid fantasy speculation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How to read " scientific news " containing the word " could " .Blah-de-blah-de-blah ... ( outlandish fantasy ) ... blah de blah " .This is * not * news , it is stupid fantasy speculation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How to read "scientific news" containing the word "could".Blah-de-blah-de-blah ... (outlandish fantasy) ... blah de blah".This is *not* news, it is stupid fantasy speculation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28343419</id>
	<title>Nobody Pays For Anything In New York City</title>
	<author>curmudgeon99</author>
	<datestamp>1245078360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh how great this will be for the tiny fraction of New Yorkers in Manhattan even who pay for everything and don't look at each turn for a chance to scam. This electricity will only be useful really in New York, when it can be easily and conveniently <strong>stolen</strong> by the masses in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh how great this will be for the tiny fraction of New Yorkers in Manhattan even who pay for everything and do n't look at each turn for a chance to scam .
This electricity will only be useful really in New York , when it can be easily and conveniently stolen by the masses in Brooklyn , Queens and the Bronx .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh how great this will be for the tiny fraction of New Yorkers in Manhattan even who pay for everything and don't look at each turn for a chance to scam.
This electricity will only be useful really in New York, when it can be easily and conveniently stolen by the masses in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28342167</id>
	<title>Sim City 2000</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1245068580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Launch a solar panel and beam the energy down to earth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Launch a solar panel and beam the energy down to earth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Launch a solar panel and beam the energy down to earth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2035209.28341839</id>
	<title>Lightning Capital</title>
	<author>awarrenfells</author>
	<datestamp>1245066660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe this will finally rid Florida of the lightning capital of the world title.
<br> <br>
Ben Franklin, eat your heart out.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe this will finally rid Florida of the lightning capital of the world title .
Ben Franklin , eat your heart out .
: -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe this will finally rid Florida of the lightning capital of the world title.
Ben Franklin, eat your heart out.
:-P</sentencetext>
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