<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_15_0134220</id>
	<title>Administration Wants To Scale Back Real ID Law</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245067320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>The Washington Post is running a story on the Obama Administration's attempt to get a <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/13/AR2009061302036\_pf.html">scaled-back version of Bush's Real ID program</a> passed and implemented. We've been discussing the Real ID program from its <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/11/0119205&amp;tid=158">earliest days</a> up through the <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/06/1912250&amp;tid=158">states' resistance</a> to its "unfunded mandate." <i>"Yielding to a rebellion by states that refused to pay for it, the Obama administration is moving to scale back a federal law passed after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that was designed to tighten security requirements for driver's licenses... Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano wants to repeal and replace the controversial, $4 billion domestic security initiative known as Real ID... The new proposal, called Pass ID, would be cheaper, less rigorous, and partly funded by federal grants, according to draft legislation that Napolitano's Senate allies plan to introduce as early as tomorrow. ...the Bush administration struggled to implement the 2005 [Real ID] law, delaying the program repeatedly as states called it an unfunded mandate and privacy advocates warned it would create a de facto national ID."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Washington Post is running a story on the Obama Administration 's attempt to get a scaled-back version of Bush 's Real ID program passed and implemented .
We 've been discussing the Real ID program from its earliest days up through the states ' resistance to its " unfunded mandate .
" " Yielding to a rebellion by states that refused to pay for it , the Obama administration is moving to scale back a federal law passed after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that was designed to tighten security requirements for driver 's licenses... Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano wants to repeal and replace the controversial , $ 4 billion domestic security initiative known as Real ID... The new proposal , called Pass ID , would be cheaper , less rigorous , and partly funded by federal grants , according to draft legislation that Napolitano 's Senate allies plan to introduce as early as tomorrow .
...the Bush administration struggled to implement the 2005 [ Real ID ] law , delaying the program repeatedly as states called it an unfunded mandate and privacy advocates warned it would create a de facto national ID .
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<sentencetext>The Washington Post is running a story on the Obama Administration's attempt to get a scaled-back version of Bush's Real ID program passed and implemented.
We've been discussing the Real ID program from its earliest days up through the states' resistance to its "unfunded mandate.
" "Yielding to a rebellion by states that refused to pay for it, the Obama administration is moving to scale back a federal law passed after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that was designed to tighten security requirements for driver's licenses... Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano wants to repeal and replace the controversial, $4 billion domestic security initiative known as Real ID... The new proposal, called Pass ID, would be cheaper, less rigorous, and partly funded by federal grants, according to draft legislation that Napolitano's Senate allies plan to introduce as early as tomorrow.
...the Bush administration struggled to implement the 2005 [Real ID] law, delaying the program repeatedly as states called it an unfunded mandate and privacy advocates warned it would create a de facto national ID.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334617</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>the\_fat\_kid</author>
	<datestamp>1245078000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ok, true story time:<br>my little sister and I flew to Denver in 08. on the flight back we got canceled. new flight the next day. on my FIFTH trip through "security" the pulled me out of line when my leather jacket set off the x-ray machine. The culprit? a 3/8" drill bit had fallen through a hole in my pocket into my liner. I must say everyone was very nice "I'm sorry, you can't take this on the airplane. Did you want to take it back to your car?". We threw it away and flew back to Chicago.<br>The funny parts:<br>They had not noticed it the Four previous times my jacket was x-rayed.<br>It's been 27 years since I flew any where with out at least some pot on me. Like it or not. they don't EVER notice.</p><p>feel any safer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ok , true story time : my little sister and I flew to Denver in 08. on the flight back we got canceled .
new flight the next day .
on my FIFTH trip through " security " the pulled me out of line when my leather jacket set off the x-ray machine .
The culprit ?
a 3/8 " drill bit had fallen through a hole in my pocket into my liner .
I must say everyone was very nice " I 'm sorry , you ca n't take this on the airplane .
Did you want to take it back to your car ? " .
We threw it away and flew back to Chicago.The funny parts : They had not noticed it the Four previous times my jacket was x-rayed.It 's been 27 years since I flew any where with out at least some pot on me .
Like it or not .
they do n't EVER notice.feel any safer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ok, true story time:my little sister and I flew to Denver in 08. on the flight back we got canceled.
new flight the next day.
on my FIFTH trip through "security" the pulled me out of line when my leather jacket set off the x-ray machine.
The culprit?
a 3/8" drill bit had fallen through a hole in my pocket into my liner.
I must say everyone was very nice "I'm sorry, you can't take this on the airplane.
Did you want to take it back to your car?".
We threw it away and flew back to Chicago.The funny parts:They had not noticed it the Four previous times my jacket was x-rayed.It's been 27 years since I flew any where with out at least some pot on me.
Like it or not.
they don't EVER notice.feel any safer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333935</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>gruntled</author>
	<datestamp>1245072960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real problem with ID issuance in the United States is everything -- everything, including a passport -- goes back to a birth certificate, and not all difficult to obtain a phony birth certificate. I'm not sure this problem really has a short term solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem with ID issuance in the United States is everything -- everything , including a passport -- goes back to a birth certificate , and not all difficult to obtain a phony birth certificate .
I 'm not sure this problem really has a short term solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem with ID issuance in the United States is everything -- everything, including a passport -- goes back to a birth certificate, and not all difficult to obtain a phony birth certificate.
I'm not sure this problem really has a short term solution.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333773</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337605</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>PyroMosh</author>
	<datestamp>1245091380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see your argument, but I don't agree.</p><p>The reality of the world that we live in, is a world with IDs.  If we're going to live in that world (and last I checked, there were no states that don't have IDs) then it's logical to make the system as uniform and efficient as possible.  Right now, we already have laws on the books to protect our privacy.  We don't need to give up ID to the government without probable cause, or unless we are electing to enter a sensitive area (air ports, etc).  We can also choose to present ID if we with to enter a bar, or other establishment in which establishing age is required.</p><p>None of that needs to change just because the system is more efficient.  I don't trust the Federal government any more or less than the State governments, but I do tend to trust the Fed to do a better job with things.  I've lived in NJ, CA, FL, and PA.</p><p>A few years ago, my license in NJ was suspended for failing to pay some fines.  I didn't know it, because I had moved to PA.  I only found out four years later when I moved back to NJ and tried to renew my license.  They told me I was on the suspended list.  Huh?  But PA never told me that when I applied for a license, or renewed it.</p><p>That shouldn't happen.  Granted, in my case, it was some parking ticket fines, but what if I were suspended for drunk driving, or vehicular homicide, or something much more serious?  Why was I able to cross state lines and get a license in one state, while suspended in another?</p><p>The systems don't talk to each other.  That's a problem when they have a legitimate cause to be used.</p><p>I'm not for a police state, I'm just for establishing a universal standard.  Keep the privacy laws the way they are now.</p><p>Don't want to show your ID card to get into a club?  Don't.  You can't get in, but how is that different than now?<br>Don't want to show a police officer your ID?  If he or she has probable cause, it's a crime <i>now</i> to refuse. If they <i>don't</i> have cause to see your ID, then you can refuse.  This is likely to make the officer unhappy / suspicious, and you'll probably be harassed for it, but you are within your rights now to refuse.  I don't see why this would have to change, just because we have better IDs.<br>Don't want to show your ID to get into the air port?  Sorry, you're not getting in.  Again, same as now.</p><p>Does anyone have any arguments against this that aren't based on "well with this system they <i>could</i> X"? Where X would break laws that already exist?</p><p>If you show me states that are willing to go without IDs, (since it is a right of the states to issue, or not issue IDs) then I'll concede that this is a bad plan.  But if all states are on board, it just makes sense to make the damn thing universal.  Otherwise, what's the point?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see your argument , but I do n't agree.The reality of the world that we live in , is a world with IDs .
If we 're going to live in that world ( and last I checked , there were no states that do n't have IDs ) then it 's logical to make the system as uniform and efficient as possible .
Right now , we already have laws on the books to protect our privacy .
We do n't need to give up ID to the government without probable cause , or unless we are electing to enter a sensitive area ( air ports , etc ) .
We can also choose to present ID if we with to enter a bar , or other establishment in which establishing age is required.None of that needs to change just because the system is more efficient .
I do n't trust the Federal government any more or less than the State governments , but I do tend to trust the Fed to do a better job with things .
I 've lived in NJ , CA , FL , and PA.A few years ago , my license in NJ was suspended for failing to pay some fines .
I did n't know it , because I had moved to PA. I only found out four years later when I moved back to NJ and tried to renew my license .
They told me I was on the suspended list .
Huh ? But PA never told me that when I applied for a license , or renewed it.That should n't happen .
Granted , in my case , it was some parking ticket fines , but what if I were suspended for drunk driving , or vehicular homicide , or something much more serious ?
Why was I able to cross state lines and get a license in one state , while suspended in another ? The systems do n't talk to each other .
That 's a problem when they have a legitimate cause to be used.I 'm not for a police state , I 'm just for establishing a universal standard .
Keep the privacy laws the way they are now.Do n't want to show your ID card to get into a club ?
Do n't. You ca n't get in , but how is that different than now ? Do n't want to show a police officer your ID ?
If he or she has probable cause , it 's a crime now to refuse .
If they do n't have cause to see your ID , then you can refuse .
This is likely to make the officer unhappy / suspicious , and you 'll probably be harassed for it , but you are within your rights now to refuse .
I do n't see why this would have to change , just because we have better IDs.Do n't want to show your ID to get into the air port ?
Sorry , you 're not getting in .
Again , same as now.Does anyone have any arguments against this that are n't based on " well with this system they could X " ?
Where X would break laws that already exist ? If you show me states that are willing to go without IDs , ( since it is a right of the states to issue , or not issue IDs ) then I 'll concede that this is a bad plan .
But if all states are on board , it just makes sense to make the damn thing universal .
Otherwise , what 's the point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see your argument, but I don't agree.The reality of the world that we live in, is a world with IDs.
If we're going to live in that world (and last I checked, there were no states that don't have IDs) then it's logical to make the system as uniform and efficient as possible.
Right now, we already have laws on the books to protect our privacy.
We don't need to give up ID to the government without probable cause, or unless we are electing to enter a sensitive area (air ports, etc).
We can also choose to present ID if we with to enter a bar, or other establishment in which establishing age is required.None of that needs to change just because the system is more efficient.
I don't trust the Federal government any more or less than the State governments, but I do tend to trust the Fed to do a better job with things.
I've lived in NJ, CA, FL, and PA.A few years ago, my license in NJ was suspended for failing to pay some fines.
I didn't know it, because I had moved to PA.  I only found out four years later when I moved back to NJ and tried to renew my license.
They told me I was on the suspended list.
Huh?  But PA never told me that when I applied for a license, or renewed it.That shouldn't happen.
Granted, in my case, it was some parking ticket fines, but what if I were suspended for drunk driving, or vehicular homicide, or something much more serious?
Why was I able to cross state lines and get a license in one state, while suspended in another?The systems don't talk to each other.
That's a problem when they have a legitimate cause to be used.I'm not for a police state, I'm just for establishing a universal standard.
Keep the privacy laws the way they are now.Don't want to show your ID card to get into a club?
Don't.  You can't get in, but how is that different than now?Don't want to show a police officer your ID?
If he or she has probable cause, it's a crime now to refuse.
If they don't have cause to see your ID, then you can refuse.
This is likely to make the officer unhappy / suspicious, and you'll probably be harassed for it, but you are within your rights now to refuse.
I don't see why this would have to change, just because we have better IDs.Don't want to show your ID to get into the air port?
Sorry, you're not getting in.
Again, same as now.Does anyone have any arguments against this that aren't based on "well with this system they could X"?
Where X would break laws that already exist?If you show me states that are willing to go without IDs, (since it is a right of the states to issue, or not issue IDs) then I'll concede that this is a bad plan.
But if all states are on board, it just makes sense to make the damn thing universal.
Otherwise, what's the point?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28336957</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245088440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A free people don't have to verify themselves to their government and the government has no intrinsic right to demand that of a person.</p></div><p> You do want know, as a taxpayer, that the tax funded social security payments are going to the right people?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A free people do n't have to verify themselves to their government and the government has no intrinsic right to demand that of a person .
You do want know , as a taxpayer , that the tax funded social security payments are going to the right people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A free people don't have to verify themselves to their government and the government has no intrinsic right to demand that of a person.
You do want know, as a taxpayer, that the tax funded social security payments are going to the right people?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334753</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334729</id>
	<title>Afro-American Racism Against Whites and  Asians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245078660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>During the election, about 95\% of African-Americans voted for Barack Hussein Obama due solely to the color of his skin.  See the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1" title="cnn.com" rel="nofollow">exit-polling data</a> [cnn.com] by CNN.
<p>
Note the voting pattern of Hispanics, Asian-Americans, etc.  These non-Black minorities serve as a measurement of African-American racism against non-Blacks.  Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor John McCain is a non-Black minority.  So, Hispanics and Asian-Americans used only non-racial criteria in selecting a candidate and, hence, serve as the reference by which we detect a racist voting pattern.  Only about 65\% of Hispanics and Asian-Americans supported Obama.  In other words, a maximum of 65\% support by any ethnic or racial group for either McCain or Obama is not racist and, hence, is acceptable.
</p><p>
If African-Americans were not racist, then at most 65\% of them would have supported Obama.  At that level of support, McCain would have won the presidential race.
</p><p>
At this point, African-American supremacists (and apologists) claim that African-Americans voted for Obama because he (1) is a member of the Democratic party and (2) supports its ideals.  That claim is an outright lie.  Look at the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NCDEM" title="cnn.com" rel="nofollow">exit-polling data</a> [cnn.com] for the Democratic primaries.  Consider the case of North Carolina.  Again, about 95\% of African-Americans voted for him and against Hillary Clinton.  Both Clinton and Obama are Democrats, and their official political positions on the campaign trail were nearly identical.  Yet, 95\% of African-Americans voted for Obama and against Hillary Clinton.  Why?  African-Americans supported Obama due solely to the color of his skin.
</p><p>
Here is the bottom line.  Barack Hussein Obama does not represent mainstream America.  He won the election due to the racist voting pattern exhibited by African-Americans.
</p><p>
African-Americans have established that expressing "racial pride" by voting on the basis of skin color is 100\% acceptable.  Neither the "Wall Street Journal" nor the "New York Times" complained about this racist behavior.  Therefore, in future elections, please feel free to express your racial pride by voting on the basis of skin color.  Feel free to vote for the non-Black candidates and against the Black candidates if you are not African-American.  You need not defend your actions in any way.  Voting on the basis of skin is quite acceptable by the standards of today's moral values.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>During the election , about 95 \ % of African-Americans voted for Barack Hussein Obama due solely to the color of his skin .
See the exit-polling data [ cnn.com ] by CNN .
Note the voting pattern of Hispanics , Asian-Americans , etc .
These non-Black minorities serve as a measurement of African-American racism against non-Blacks .
Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor John McCain is a non-Black minority .
So , Hispanics and Asian-Americans used only non-racial criteria in selecting a candidate and , hence , serve as the reference by which we detect a racist voting pattern .
Only about 65 \ % of Hispanics and Asian-Americans supported Obama .
In other words , a maximum of 65 \ % support by any ethnic or racial group for either McCain or Obama is not racist and , hence , is acceptable .
If African-Americans were not racist , then at most 65 \ % of them would have supported Obama .
At that level of support , McCain would have won the presidential race .
At this point , African-American supremacists ( and apologists ) claim that African-Americans voted for Obama because he ( 1 ) is a member of the Democratic party and ( 2 ) supports its ideals .
That claim is an outright lie .
Look at the exit-polling data [ cnn.com ] for the Democratic primaries .
Consider the case of North Carolina .
Again , about 95 \ % of African-Americans voted for him and against Hillary Clinton .
Both Clinton and Obama are Democrats , and their official political positions on the campaign trail were nearly identical .
Yet , 95 \ % of African-Americans voted for Obama and against Hillary Clinton .
Why ? African-Americans supported Obama due solely to the color of his skin .
Here is the bottom line .
Barack Hussein Obama does not represent mainstream America .
He won the election due to the racist voting pattern exhibited by African-Americans .
African-Americans have established that expressing " racial pride " by voting on the basis of skin color is 100 \ % acceptable .
Neither the " Wall Street Journal " nor the " New York Times " complained about this racist behavior .
Therefore , in future elections , please feel free to express your racial pride by voting on the basis of skin color .
Feel free to vote for the non-Black candidates and against the Black candidates if you are not African-American .
You need not defend your actions in any way .
Voting on the basis of skin is quite acceptable by the standards of today 's moral values .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During the election, about 95\% of African-Americans voted for Barack Hussein Obama due solely to the color of his skin.
See the exit-polling data [cnn.com] by CNN.
Note the voting pattern of Hispanics, Asian-Americans, etc.
These non-Black minorities serve as a measurement of African-American racism against non-Blacks.
Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor John McCain is a non-Black minority.
So, Hispanics and Asian-Americans used only non-racial criteria in selecting a candidate and, hence, serve as the reference by which we detect a racist voting pattern.
Only about 65\% of Hispanics and Asian-Americans supported Obama.
In other words, a maximum of 65\% support by any ethnic or racial group for either McCain or Obama is not racist and, hence, is acceptable.
If African-Americans were not racist, then at most 65\% of them would have supported Obama.
At that level of support, McCain would have won the presidential race.
At this point, African-American supremacists (and apologists) claim that African-Americans voted for Obama because he (1) is a member of the Democratic party and (2) supports its ideals.
That claim is an outright lie.
Look at the exit-polling data [cnn.com] for the Democratic primaries.
Consider the case of North Carolina.
Again, about 95\% of African-Americans voted for him and against Hillary Clinton.
Both Clinton and Obama are Democrats, and their official political positions on the campaign trail were nearly identical.
Yet, 95\% of African-Americans voted for Obama and against Hillary Clinton.
Why?  African-Americans supported Obama due solely to the color of his skin.
Here is the bottom line.
Barack Hussein Obama does not represent mainstream America.
He won the election due to the racist voting pattern exhibited by African-Americans.
African-Americans have established that expressing "racial pride" by voting on the basis of skin color is 100\% acceptable.
Neither the "Wall Street Journal" nor the "New York Times" complained about this racist behavior.
Therefore, in future elections, please feel free to express your racial pride by voting on the basis of skin color.
Feel free to vote for the non-Black candidates and against the Black candidates if you are not African-American.
You need not defend your actions in any way.
Voting on the basis of skin is quite acceptable by the standards of today's moral values.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28338623</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>crhylove</author>
	<datestamp>1245095880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nor does carrying a knife onto a plane make NORAD stand down.  But then obviously Al Queda had some powerful friend in NORAD on 9/11.</p><p>His name is Dick Cheney, and his business partner George Bush Sr. is good friends with Osama Bin Laden's family.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nor does carrying a knife onto a plane make NORAD stand down .
But then obviously Al Queda had some powerful friend in NORAD on 9/11.His name is Dick Cheney , and his business partner George Bush Sr. is good friends with Osama Bin Laden 's family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nor does carrying a knife onto a plane make NORAD stand down.
But then obviously Al Queda had some powerful friend in NORAD on 9/11.His name is Dick Cheney, and his business partner George Bush Sr. is good friends with Osama Bin Laden's family.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333901</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245072660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11.  People can still sneak things onto airplanes.  In fact, the last two times I have flown, I have, entirely by accident, smuggled two knives onto an airplane.  Note that these were simply a "multitool"-type knife that I use for taking computers apart when I have no other tools available, but they were still knives, still not allowed, and still, according the DHS, a security risk.  Yet twice TSA screeners missed it.  I myself didn't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on (I won't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused)  -- I thought it was lost.  But what if I <em>had</em> been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11 .
People can still sneak things onto airplanes .
In fact , the last two times I have flown , I have , entirely by accident , smuggled two knives onto an airplane .
Note that these were simply a " multitool " -type knife that I use for taking computers apart when I have no other tools available , but they were still knives , still not allowed , and still , according the DHS , a security risk .
Yet twice TSA screeners missed it .
I myself did n't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on ( I wo n't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused ) -- I thought it was lost .
But what if I had been a terrorist , fully aware of the knife ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11.
People can still sneak things onto airplanes.
In fact, the last two times I have flown, I have, entirely by accident, smuggled two knives onto an airplane.
Note that these were simply a "multitool"-type knife that I use for taking computers apart when I have no other tools available, but they were still knives, still not allowed, and still, according the DHS, a security risk.
Yet twice TSA screeners missed it.
I myself didn't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on (I won't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused)  -- I thought it was lost.
But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335739</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>DesertBlade</author>
	<datestamp>1245083340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Easy to get a birth certificate I just had to do it last week. Went online found the county I was born in, they had a nice web form to fill out. Once completed I had to sign an affidavit and get it notarized then fax it to them. Received it 3 days later. The only real issue would be is creating a fake notary stamp image, but really that should take about 5 minutes, I have a scanner and GIMP.  Once you know someones SSN it would be fairly easy to build up the documents to create a fake ID. Granted here in Oregon we have some fancy face imagery detection on our licenses, but I doubt it is super effective.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy to get a birth certificate I just had to do it last week .
Went online found the county I was born in , they had a nice web form to fill out .
Once completed I had to sign an affidavit and get it notarized then fax it to them .
Received it 3 days later .
The only real issue would be is creating a fake notary stamp image , but really that should take about 5 minutes , I have a scanner and GIMP .
Once you know someones SSN it would be fairly easy to build up the documents to create a fake ID .
Granted here in Oregon we have some fancy face imagery detection on our licenses , but I doubt it is super effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy to get a birth certificate I just had to do it last week.
Went online found the county I was born in, they had a nice web form to fill out.
Once completed I had to sign an affidavit and get it notarized then fax it to them.
Received it 3 days later.
The only real issue would be is creating a fake notary stamp image, but really that should take about 5 minutes, I have a scanner and GIMP.
Once you know someones SSN it would be fairly easy to build up the documents to create a fake ID.
Granted here in Oregon we have some fancy face imagery detection on our licenses, but I doubt it is super effective.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333783</id>
	<title>Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245071460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Translation:  We know that for the past 8 years this has been pushed to prevent homeland terrorism but you know there hasn't really been any major events without it since 9/11.  Also, we've got a lot of other shit to worry about that actually does affect your life more than having to present papers whenever you cross any political boundary inside the United States.  You know, like the economy and jobs.  We're getting Real ID watered down as best we can and hopefully it'll just kind of deflate and go away but there's some asshole Republicans left like Lamar Smith in Texas and Sensenbrenner in Wisconsin that like to say things like:<p><div class="quote"><p>We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10, 2001.  Maybe governors should have been in the Capitol when we knew a plane was on its way to Washington wanting to kill a few thousand more people.</p></div><p>You hear that?  The lawmakers that take us to war were actually in danger of physical harm themselves!  Imagine that!  But their voice, urgency and argument are getting pretty pathetic now that it's been eight years and no such thing has reoccurred.  The fear card isn't so strong these days.  "You might lose your house and/or job" seems to worry people more than "the odds are 1:10,000,000 that a terrorist may kill you in an extremely contrived scenario!"<br> <br>

Remember any sort of compromise or rational thought is bad because Sensenbrenner says doing so instantly brings us back to pre-9/11 danger.  Beware of this sort of mentality.  Beware the men that play with your emotions and speak in absolutes for the world is shades of grey.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Translation : We know that for the past 8 years this has been pushed to prevent homeland terrorism but you know there has n't really been any major events without it since 9/11 .
Also , we 've got a lot of other shit to worry about that actually does affect your life more than having to present papers whenever you cross any political boundary inside the United States .
You know , like the economy and jobs .
We 're getting Real ID watered down as best we can and hopefully it 'll just kind of deflate and go away but there 's some asshole Republicans left like Lamar Smith in Texas and Sensenbrenner in Wisconsin that like to say things like : We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10 , 2001 .
Maybe governors should have been in the Capitol when we knew a plane was on its way to Washington wanting to kill a few thousand more people.You hear that ?
The lawmakers that take us to war were actually in danger of physical harm themselves !
Imagine that !
But their voice , urgency and argument are getting pretty pathetic now that it 's been eight years and no such thing has reoccurred .
The fear card is n't so strong these days .
" You might lose your house and/or job " seems to worry people more than " the odds are 1 : 10,000,000 that a terrorist may kill you in an extremely contrived scenario !
" Remember any sort of compromise or rational thought is bad because Sensenbrenner says doing so instantly brings us back to pre-9/11 danger .
Beware of this sort of mentality .
Beware the men that play with your emotions and speak in absolutes for the world is shades of grey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Translation:  We know that for the past 8 years this has been pushed to prevent homeland terrorism but you know there hasn't really been any major events without it since 9/11.
Also, we've got a lot of other shit to worry about that actually does affect your life more than having to present papers whenever you cross any political boundary inside the United States.
You know, like the economy and jobs.
We're getting Real ID watered down as best we can and hopefully it'll just kind of deflate and go away but there's some asshole Republicans left like Lamar Smith in Texas and Sensenbrenner in Wisconsin that like to say things like:We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10, 2001.
Maybe governors should have been in the Capitol when we knew a plane was on its way to Washington wanting to kill a few thousand more people.You hear that?
The lawmakers that take us to war were actually in danger of physical harm themselves!
Imagine that!
But their voice, urgency and argument are getting pretty pathetic now that it's been eight years and no such thing has reoccurred.
The fear card isn't so strong these days.
"You might lose your house and/or job" seems to worry people more than "the odds are 1:10,000,000 that a terrorist may kill you in an extremely contrived scenario!
" 

Remember any sort of compromise or rational thought is bad because Sensenbrenner says doing so instantly brings us back to pre-9/11 danger.
Beware of this sort of mentality.
Beware the men that play with your emotions and speak in absolutes for the world is shades of grey.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337109</id>
	<title>birth certificates</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245089220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>My wife lost hers and we needed it to go on our honeymoon to get a passport.</i></p><p>I was in the hospital in a coma and my mother had to get a copy of my birth certificate.  All she did was contact the office where they were kept and requested one.  She had to pay for it but they sent her one.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife lost hers and we needed it to go on our honeymoon to get a passport.I was in the hospital in a coma and my mother had to get a copy of my birth certificate .
All she did was contact the office where they were kept and requested one .
She had to pay for it but they sent her one .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife lost hers and we needed it to go on our honeymoon to get a passport.I was in the hospital in a coma and my mother had to get a copy of my birth certificate.
All she did was contact the office where they were kept and requested one.
She had to pay for it but they sent her one.
Falcon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334733</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334507</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>halcyon1234</author>
	<datestamp>1245077220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In fact, the last two times I have flown, I have, entirely by accident, smuggled two knives onto an airplane</p></div></blockquote><p>A couple months ago, I went on my first business trip for the place I work. They sent me to Houston, Texas. Before I went, every said "be sure to eat some BBQ". I did my best, but the hours were stupidly long, and the only good BBQ place was a cab-ride away. But on the last day, everyone piled into a cab and went out for some awesome, awesome BBQ.  I got an extra sandwich with BBQ sauce to have on the plane (since food isn't provided anymore). It was an early morning flight, so I just stayed up rather than taking a near useless 1 hour nap.</p><p>Early in the morning, I zombied my way through security. Shoes off, laptop out, all my tools packed. The guards were hassling everyone about hand cream, hand sanitizer, etc. I had my three bottles in a baggie out already. Other people were arguing, red-faced and sunburned, about their creams. The guards were being very strict that day. I just wanted through. I put everything, including my breakfast, through the Xray, went through the metal detector without a hitch, and soon enough, I was on the plane. </p><p>Once the seatbelt lights were off, I cracked out the po boy, and dug in.  It was very good the day after, especially dipped in BBQ sauce. And then, after about the second bite, once the proteins kicked in, I realized I was dipping the sandwich in a gigantic, for-surely-more-than-3-oz contained of liquid, oddly colored beef juice. And that's when I realized-- how in the hell did I get this on the plane?  I didn't hide it, didn't conceal it, had it right out in the open.</p><p>But in reality, it was Texan BBQ sauce.  The only thing it'd be terrorizing would be a vegetarian.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact , the last two times I have flown , I have , entirely by accident , smuggled two knives onto an airplaneA couple months ago , I went on my first business trip for the place I work .
They sent me to Houston , Texas .
Before I went , every said " be sure to eat some BBQ " .
I did my best , but the hours were stupidly long , and the only good BBQ place was a cab-ride away .
But on the last day , everyone piled into a cab and went out for some awesome , awesome BBQ .
I got an extra sandwich with BBQ sauce to have on the plane ( since food is n't provided anymore ) .
It was an early morning flight , so I just stayed up rather than taking a near useless 1 hour nap.Early in the morning , I zombied my way through security .
Shoes off , laptop out , all my tools packed .
The guards were hassling everyone about hand cream , hand sanitizer , etc .
I had my three bottles in a baggie out already .
Other people were arguing , red-faced and sunburned , about their creams .
The guards were being very strict that day .
I just wanted through .
I put everything , including my breakfast , through the Xray , went through the metal detector without a hitch , and soon enough , I was on the plane .
Once the seatbelt lights were off , I cracked out the po boy , and dug in .
It was very good the day after , especially dipped in BBQ sauce .
And then , after about the second bite , once the proteins kicked in , I realized I was dipping the sandwich in a gigantic , for-surely-more-than-3-oz contained of liquid , oddly colored beef juice .
And that 's when I realized-- how in the hell did I get this on the plane ?
I did n't hide it , did n't conceal it , had it right out in the open.But in reality , it was Texan BBQ sauce .
The only thing it 'd be terrorizing would be a vegetarian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact, the last two times I have flown, I have, entirely by accident, smuggled two knives onto an airplaneA couple months ago, I went on my first business trip for the place I work.
They sent me to Houston, Texas.
Before I went, every said "be sure to eat some BBQ".
I did my best, but the hours were stupidly long, and the only good BBQ place was a cab-ride away.
But on the last day, everyone piled into a cab and went out for some awesome, awesome BBQ.
I got an extra sandwich with BBQ sauce to have on the plane (since food isn't provided anymore).
It was an early morning flight, so I just stayed up rather than taking a near useless 1 hour nap.Early in the morning, I zombied my way through security.
Shoes off, laptop out, all my tools packed.
The guards were hassling everyone about hand cream, hand sanitizer, etc.
I had my three bottles in a baggie out already.
Other people were arguing, red-faced and sunburned, about their creams.
The guards were being very strict that day.
I just wanted through.
I put everything, including my breakfast, through the Xray, went through the metal detector without a hitch, and soon enough, I was on the plane.
Once the seatbelt lights were off, I cracked out the po boy, and dug in.
It was very good the day after, especially dipped in BBQ sauce.
And then, after about the second bite, once the proteins kicked in, I realized I was dipping the sandwich in a gigantic, for-surely-more-than-3-oz contained of liquid, oddly colored beef juice.
And that's when I realized-- how in the hell did I get this on the plane?
I didn't hide it, didn't conceal it, had it right out in the open.But in reality, it was Texan BBQ sauce.
The only thing it'd be terrorizing would be a vegetarian.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28343401</id>
	<title>guns</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245078180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A ball point pen can be turned into a small gun that can kill.</i></p><p>"<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071807/" title="imdb.com">The Man with the Golden Gun</a> [imdb.com]"?</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A ball point pen can be turned into a small gun that can kill .
" The Man with the Golden Gun [ imdb.com ] " ?
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A ball point pen can be turned into a small gun that can kill.
"The Man with the Golden Gun [imdb.com]"?
Falcon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334673</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28336807</id>
	<title>Administration Wants To Scale Back Real ID Law</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245087840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Obama admin needs to kill REAL ID not scale it back!!!</p><p>But this is better than doing nothing.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Obama admin needs to kill REAL ID not scale it back ! !
! But this is better than doing nothing .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Obama admin needs to kill REAL ID not scale it back!!
!But this is better than doing nothing.
Falcon</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28336055</id>
	<title>New Hampshire</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245084600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>New Hampshire has already passed into law that any federal identification program is unconstitutional with <a href="http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/hb0685.html" title="state.nh.us">2007 HB0685</a> [state.nh.us].  To quote the bill, which was signed into law;
<br> <br>
<tt>The general court finds that the public policy established by Congress in the Real ID Act of 2005, Public Law 109-13, is contrary and repugnant to Articles 1 through 10 of the New Hampshire constitution as well as Amendments 4 though 10 of the Constitution for the United States of America. Therefore, the state of New Hampshire shall not participate in any driver's license program pursuant to the Real ID Act of 2005 or in any national identification card system that may follow therefrom.</tt></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Hampshire has already passed into law that any federal identification program is unconstitutional with 2007 HB0685 [ state.nh.us ] .
To quote the bill , which was signed into law ; The general court finds that the public policy established by Congress in the Real ID Act of 2005 , Public Law 109-13 , is contrary and repugnant to Articles 1 through 10 of the New Hampshire constitution as well as Amendments 4 though 10 of the Constitution for the United States of America .
Therefore , the state of New Hampshire shall not participate in any driver 's license program pursuant to the Real ID Act of 2005 or in any national identification card system that may follow therefrom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Hampshire has already passed into law that any federal identification program is unconstitutional with 2007 HB0685 [state.nh.us].
To quote the bill, which was signed into law;
 
The general court finds that the public policy established by Congress in the Real ID Act of 2005, Public Law 109-13, is contrary and repugnant to Articles 1 through 10 of the New Hampshire constitution as well as Amendments 4 though 10 of the Constitution for the United States of America.
Therefore, the state of New Hampshire shall not participate in any driver's license program pursuant to the Real ID Act of 2005 or in any national identification card system that may follow therefrom.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28340759</id>
	<title>Real ID by any other name...</title>
	<author>space\_hippy</author>
	<datestamp>1245060480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton\_Window\_Theory" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> Overton Window Theory</a> [wikipedia.org] is alive and well.

<p>Facial recognition, RFID tags, biometrics and central data bases, but at least the feds will be fitting some of the bill, right?  States will give in as long as the financial cost is hidden better than the Bush administration did it. </p><p>My state, New Mexico, is taking digital photos that go into a central database for facial recognition reasons.  The database seems to be held by a third party in another state.  I have been unable to dig up any more details.  The license cards are generated in another location and it takes weeks to get it in the mail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Overton Window Theory [ wikipedia.org ] is alive and well .
Facial recognition , RFID tags , biometrics and central data bases , but at least the feds will be fitting some of the bill , right ?
States will give in as long as the financial cost is hidden better than the Bush administration did it .
My state , New Mexico , is taking digital photos that go into a central database for facial recognition reasons .
The database seems to be held by a third party in another state .
I have been unable to dig up any more details .
The license cards are generated in another location and it takes weeks to get it in the mail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Overton Window Theory [wikipedia.org] is alive and well.
Facial recognition, RFID tags, biometrics and central data bases, but at least the feds will be fitting some of the bill, right?
States will give in as long as the financial cost is hidden better than the Bush administration did it.
My state, New Mexico, is taking digital photos that go into a central database for facial recognition reasons.
The database seems to be held by a third party in another state.
I have been unable to dig up any more details.
The license cards are generated in another location and it takes weeks to get it in the mail.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337627</id>
	<title>Kill Real ID and get a national ID instead.</title>
	<author>JDAustin</author>
	<datestamp>1245091500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obama doesnt like RealID not because of costs or the like.  He doesnt like it because the IDs are being done by the states.  Obama wants the federal government in control of everything.  Killing RealID would allow him to bring in a real National ID card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama doesnt like RealID not because of costs or the like .
He doesnt like it because the IDs are being done by the states .
Obama wants the federal government in control of everything .
Killing RealID would allow him to bring in a real National ID card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama doesnt like RealID not because of costs or the like.
He doesnt like it because the IDs are being done by the states.
Obama wants the federal government in control of everything.
Killing RealID would allow him to bring in a real National ID card.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333879</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Lockblade</author>
	<datestamp>1245072480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10, 2001.  Maybe governors should have been in the Capitol when we knew a plane was on its way to Washington wanting to kill a few thousand more people.</p></div><p> Couldn't you argue that we were the safest right after an attack? It's kind of like getting a flat tire and the other three exploding as you pull over. Or all the drives in a RAID array failing. Or dead pixels making your monitor unusable. Or...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10 , 2001 .
Maybe governors should have been in the Capitol when we knew a plane was on its way to Washington wanting to kill a few thousand more people .
Could n't you argue that we were the safest right after an attack ?
It 's kind of like getting a flat tire and the other three exploding as you pull over .
Or all the drives in a RAID array failing .
Or dead pixels making your monitor unusable .
Or.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10, 2001.
Maybe governors should have been in the Capitol when we knew a plane was on its way to Washington wanting to kill a few thousand more people.
Couldn't you argue that we were the safest right after an attack?
It's kind of like getting a flat tire and the other three exploding as you pull over.
Or all the drives in a RAID array failing.
Or dead pixels making your monitor unusable.
Or...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333783</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337061</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245088920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Plexiglass: no.  It can be pointed for stabbing, but plexiglass makes a SHITTY cutting tool.<br><br>ballpoint pen gun?  Ha, okay.  More likely to blow up in your hand, and useless past about 10 feet, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.<br><br>Cotton:  They let us all on the planes with our shoelaces.  I could kill a lot of people with shoelaces, let me tell you.<br><br>I say, all flights need to be like the starship in Fifth Element.  You get on board in your capsule, they reduce the oxygen content until you pass out, and don't wake you back up until you land.  Problem solved, don't have to serve food or drink or even have stewardesses, and you only have to deal with the 1 in a million persons who dies from oxygen deprivation.  Probably about the same number who die from heart-attacks mid-flight.<br><br>Problem goes away, and it's much easier to find canisters of O2 than a billion other crazy little items.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plexiglass : no .
It can be pointed for stabbing , but plexiglass makes a SHITTY cutting tool.ballpoint pen gun ?
Ha , okay .
More likely to blow up in your hand , and useless past about 10 feet , but I 'll give you the benefit of the doubt.Cotton : They let us all on the planes with our shoelaces .
I could kill a lot of people with shoelaces , let me tell you.I say , all flights need to be like the starship in Fifth Element .
You get on board in your capsule , they reduce the oxygen content until you pass out , and do n't wake you back up until you land .
Problem solved , do n't have to serve food or drink or even have stewardesses , and you only have to deal with the 1 in a million persons who dies from oxygen deprivation .
Probably about the same number who die from heart-attacks mid-flight.Problem goes away , and it 's much easier to find canisters of O2 than a billion other crazy little items .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plexiglass: no.
It can be pointed for stabbing, but plexiglass makes a SHITTY cutting tool.ballpoint pen gun?
Ha, okay.
More likely to blow up in your hand, and useless past about 10 feet, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.Cotton:  They let us all on the planes with our shoelaces.
I could kill a lot of people with shoelaces, let me tell you.I say, all flights need to be like the starship in Fifth Element.
You get on board in your capsule, they reduce the oxygen content until you pass out, and don't wake you back up until you land.
Problem solved, don't have to serve food or drink or even have stewardesses, and you only have to deal with the 1 in a million persons who dies from oxygen deprivation.
Probably about the same number who die from heart-attacks mid-flight.Problem goes away, and it's much easier to find canisters of O2 than a billion other crazy little items.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335199</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Rapid Supreme 17</author>
	<datestamp>1245080880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But what if I <em>had</em> been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?</p></div><p>You could have taken apart a computer during the flight?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But what if I had been a terrorist , fully aware of the knife ? You could have taken apart a computer during the flight ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?You could have taken apart a computer during the flight?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334489</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1245077160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I myself didn't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on (I won't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused)</p></div><p>Lol!  Just like the "big boys" - I know something so incredibly dangerous that if I let the secret out, the terrorists will kill everyone!<br>As if any 'terrorist' worth worrying about doesn't know 10x as many ways to smuggle shit on a plane already.<br>Here's one - use an obsidian or a ceramic knife.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11.</p></div><p>Actually, it is.  The cockpit doors have been reinforced.  No one is piloting a plane into a building or anywhere else unless the pilot is tricked into letting them.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?</p></div><p>You'd be able to cut a few people, maybe kill them, before everybody else mobbed you and gave you the beatdown of your life.<br>You should be more worried about a bomb in the baggage hold.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I myself did n't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on ( I wo n't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused ) Lol !
Just like the " big boys " - I know something so incredibly dangerous that if I let the secret out , the terrorists will kill everyone ! As if any 'terrorist ' worth worrying about does n't know 10x as many ways to smuggle shit on a plane already.Here 's one - use an obsidian or a ceramic knife.The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11.Actually , it is .
The cockpit doors have been reinforced .
No one is piloting a plane into a building or anywhere else unless the pilot is tricked into letting them.But what if I had been a terrorist , fully aware of the knife ? You 'd be able to cut a few people , maybe kill them , before everybody else mobbed you and gave you the beatdown of your life.You should be more worried about a bomb in the baggage hold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I myself didn't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on (I won't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused)Lol!
Just like the "big boys" - I know something so incredibly dangerous that if I let the secret out, the terrorists will kill everyone!As if any 'terrorist' worth worrying about doesn't know 10x as many ways to smuggle shit on a plane already.Here's one - use an obsidian or a ceramic knife.The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11.Actually, it is.
The cockpit doors have been reinforced.
No one is piloting a plane into a building or anywhere else unless the pilot is tricked into letting them.But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?You'd be able to cut a few people, maybe kill them, before everybody else mobbed you and gave you the beatdown of your life.You should be more worried about a bomb in the baggage hold.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337869</id>
	<title>national IDs</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245092580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I think the notion that anonymity leads to safety is absurd.</i> </p><p>And I believe the notion that a national ID leads to safety is absurd.</p><p><i>You only need anonymity when you already live in a repressive state.</i></p><p>The USA's Founding fathers didn't think that.  Instead they believe anonymity is required for a democracy.  If a person couldn't have anonymity then they could not speak freely.  Take a look at the "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist\_Papers" title="wikipedia.org">Federalist Papers</a> [wikipedia.org]", though the wiki article credits Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay as the authors they were all published with "Publius" as the author.  One of the few who wrote in his own name was Thomas Paine who wrote "These are the times that try men's souls."</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the notion that anonymity leads to safety is absurd .
And I believe the notion that a national ID leads to safety is absurd.You only need anonymity when you already live in a repressive state.The USA 's Founding fathers did n't think that .
Instead they believe anonymity is required for a democracy .
If a person could n't have anonymity then they could not speak freely .
Take a look at the " Federalist Papers [ wikipedia.org ] " , though the wiki article credits Alexander Hamilton , James Madison , and John Jay as the authors they were all published with " Publius " as the author .
One of the few who wrote in his own name was Thomas Paine who wrote " These are the times that try men 's souls .
" Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the notion that anonymity leads to safety is absurd.
And I believe the notion that a national ID leads to safety is absurd.You only need anonymity when you already live in a repressive state.The USA's Founding fathers didn't think that.
Instead they believe anonymity is required for a democracy.
If a person couldn't have anonymity then they could not speak freely.
Take a look at the "Federalist Papers [wikipedia.org]", though the wiki article credits Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay as the authors they were all published with "Publius" as the author.
One of the few who wrote in his own name was Thomas Paine who wrote "These are the times that try men's souls.
"

Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335713</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>RJFerret</author>
	<datestamp>1245083280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember my father laughing at all the prohibitions when they were being implemented.</p><p>A plastic pocket comb IS a knife with serrated edge, easily capable of slicing someone's neck open with no modification/preparation at all.</p><p>Meanwhile if you "disarm" everyone who could prevent someone who managed to be better armed, you've just enabled them by inhibiting "us".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember my father laughing at all the prohibitions when they were being implemented.A plastic pocket comb IS a knife with serrated edge , easily capable of slicing someone 's neck open with no modification/preparation at all.Meanwhile if you " disarm " everyone who could prevent someone who managed to be better armed , you 've just enabled them by inhibiting " us " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember my father laughing at all the prohibitions when they were being implemented.A plastic pocket comb IS a knife with serrated edge, easily capable of slicing someone's neck open with no modification/preparation at all.Meanwhile if you "disarm" everyone who could prevent someone who managed to be better armed, you've just enabled them by inhibiting "us".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337419</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245090660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have a lot more faith in the system than I do.  I had a typo in my driver's license that was never caught. Any organization that would use my driver's license infomration would just keep propagating the typo.  Next time I got the ID renewed I 'corrected' the typo, because you have to update all your information, but apparently they thought my correction was a typo, because the misspelling was still there on the new ID.</p><p>When I was younger I assumed my step father's last name, but I never legally changed my name.  I used that on bank accounts, college administration, and even filed my taxes with it.  Although the IRS sent me a letter and told me that I needed to use my legal last name if I wanted my re-fund.  I think at one point I had 3 or 4 variations of my name floating around.</p><p>As for social security numbers, at one point in time my wife had two different SSNs.  She is a permanent resident so I am sure that is where the confusion originated from.  But I still remember it clearly, one day she asked me which SSN she should use.  Bewildered I asked her what she meant, as I had never heard of someone having more than one SSN.  She showed me two government issued SS cards, and I told her to call the social security office and ask them what to do.  On the phone they flat out said it was impossible for her to have two SS Cards and that she was mistaken.  They didn't correct the issue until she actually went to the office in person and showed them both cards.  They basically were like WTF, we have never seen this before. </p><p>None of it really surprised me though because I don't have a lot of faith in the system.  I have seen a lot of small stuff go unnoticed when there was no malicious intent.  I am sure a malicious individual could do just about anything given enough motivation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a lot more faith in the system than I do .
I had a typo in my driver 's license that was never caught .
Any organization that would use my driver 's license infomration would just keep propagating the typo .
Next time I got the ID renewed I 'corrected ' the typo , because you have to update all your information , but apparently they thought my correction was a typo , because the misspelling was still there on the new ID.When I was younger I assumed my step father 's last name , but I never legally changed my name .
I used that on bank accounts , college administration , and even filed my taxes with it .
Although the IRS sent me a letter and told me that I needed to use my legal last name if I wanted my re-fund .
I think at one point I had 3 or 4 variations of my name floating around.As for social security numbers , at one point in time my wife had two different SSNs .
She is a permanent resident so I am sure that is where the confusion originated from .
But I still remember it clearly , one day she asked me which SSN she should use .
Bewildered I asked her what she meant , as I had never heard of someone having more than one SSN .
She showed me two government issued SS cards , and I told her to call the social security office and ask them what to do .
On the phone they flat out said it was impossible for her to have two SS Cards and that she was mistaken .
They did n't correct the issue until she actually went to the office in person and showed them both cards .
They basically were like WTF , we have never seen this before .
None of it really surprised me though because I do n't have a lot of faith in the system .
I have seen a lot of small stuff go unnoticed when there was no malicious intent .
I am sure a malicious individual could do just about anything given enough motivation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a lot more faith in the system than I do.
I had a typo in my driver's license that was never caught.
Any organization that would use my driver's license infomration would just keep propagating the typo.
Next time I got the ID renewed I 'corrected' the typo, because you have to update all your information, but apparently they thought my correction was a typo, because the misspelling was still there on the new ID.When I was younger I assumed my step father's last name, but I never legally changed my name.
I used that on bank accounts, college administration, and even filed my taxes with it.
Although the IRS sent me a letter and told me that I needed to use my legal last name if I wanted my re-fund.
I think at one point I had 3 or 4 variations of my name floating around.As for social security numbers, at one point in time my wife had two different SSNs.
She is a permanent resident so I am sure that is where the confusion originated from.
But I still remember it clearly, one day she asked me which SSN she should use.
Bewildered I asked her what she meant, as I had never heard of someone having more than one SSN.
She showed me two government issued SS cards, and I told her to call the social security office and ask them what to do.
On the phone they flat out said it was impossible for her to have two SS Cards and that she was mistaken.
They didn't correct the issue until she actually went to the office in person and showed them both cards.
They basically were like WTF, we have never seen this before.
None of it really surprised me though because I don't have a lot of faith in the system.
I have seen a lot of small stuff go unnoticed when there was no malicious intent.
I am sure a malicious individual could do just about anything given enough motivation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28345751</id>
	<title>Fuck no.</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1245149940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Period. I shall never comply to any such kind of national ID card. End of story. I will fake it or have it faked, zap the RFID if necessary, and otherwise deliberately fuck it up. I will not vote for a politician who votes in favor of a national ID card, and I have told them so.
<br> <br>
It does not get much simpler than that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Period .
I shall never comply to any such kind of national ID card .
End of story .
I will fake it or have it faked , zap the RFID if necessary , and otherwise deliberately fuck it up .
I will not vote for a politician who votes in favor of a national ID card , and I have told them so .
It does not get much simpler than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Period.
I shall never comply to any such kind of national ID card.
End of story.
I will fake it or have it faked, zap the RFID if necessary, and otherwise deliberately fuck it up.
I will not vote for a politician who votes in favor of a national ID card, and I have told them so.
It does not get much simpler than that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334155</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245075120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have carried a one inch blade with me every time I've flown.  It always passes without question, even though I put it in plain view in the X-ray bin.  The I think the reason is it doesn't <em>look</em> like a knife so they miss it (human nature being what it is and they having to scan thousands of passengers a day).  But then again, there was one time a screener picked it up, inspected it and put it back in the X-ray bin without a question.  So maybe it's not that they just keep missing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have carried a one inch blade with me every time I 've flown .
It always passes without question , even though I put it in plain view in the X-ray bin .
The I think the reason is it does n't look like a knife so they miss it ( human nature being what it is and they having to scan thousands of passengers a day ) .
But then again , there was one time a screener picked it up , inspected it and put it back in the X-ray bin without a question .
So maybe it 's not that they just keep missing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have carried a one inch blade with me every time I've flown.
It always passes without question, even though I put it in plain view in the X-ray bin.
The I think the reason is it doesn't look like a knife so they miss it (human nature being what it is and they having to scan thousands of passengers a day).
But then again, there was one time a screener picked it up, inspected it and put it back in the X-ray bin without a question.
So maybe it's not that they just keep missing it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335043</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1245080100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What they do in Australia for getting various forms of ID (including passports) is require you to take some passport size photos and have them signed by someone who is vouching that you are who you say you are and that they have known you in some capacity for at least a certain amount of time.</p><p>There are rules about what sort of person is allowed to do this also, it has to be someone from a specific list of jobs that are supposedly in good standing in the community (I dont know of the specific list but I know it includes people like university professors)</p><p>The real problem in the US is that its too easy to get and use all sorts of things (including credit cards and prepaid mobile phones) with very little ID checking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What they do in Australia for getting various forms of ID ( including passports ) is require you to take some passport size photos and have them signed by someone who is vouching that you are who you say you are and that they have known you in some capacity for at least a certain amount of time.There are rules about what sort of person is allowed to do this also , it has to be someone from a specific list of jobs that are supposedly in good standing in the community ( I dont know of the specific list but I know it includes people like university professors ) The real problem in the US is that its too easy to get and use all sorts of things ( including credit cards and prepaid mobile phones ) with very little ID checking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What they do in Australia for getting various forms of ID (including passports) is require you to take some passport size photos and have them signed by someone who is vouching that you are who you say you are and that they have known you in some capacity for at least a certain amount of time.There are rules about what sort of person is allowed to do this also, it has to be someone from a specific list of jobs that are supposedly in good standing in the community (I dont know of the specific list but I know it includes people like university professors)The real problem in the US is that its too easy to get and use all sorts of things (including credit cards and prepaid mobile phones) with very little ID checking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28336863</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245088080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I just went into the DMV to renew my license and it was expensive and rigorous.</i></p><p>I renewed my DL almost a year ago and there wasn't a difference from the last tyme, as far as paperwork and security is concerned.  Now, I should have gotten a passport years ago but I haven't needed one yet.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just went into the DMV to renew my license and it was expensive and rigorous.I renewed my DL almost a year ago and there was n't a difference from the last tyme , as far as paperwork and security is concerned .
Now , I should have gotten a passport years ago but I have n't needed one yet .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just went into the DMV to renew my license and it was expensive and rigorous.I renewed my DL almost a year ago and there wasn't a difference from the last tyme, as far as paperwork and security is concerned.
Now, I should have gotten a passport years ago but I haven't needed one yet.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334781</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Nidi62</author>
	<datestamp>1245078900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If a terrorist group were patient enough to wait 10 years(which they clearly are) they can get anything on a airplane.  Airport(specifically airline airport) employees can access pretty much any secure area, including the airplanes themselves as well as the ramp area, without any type of security screening after the initial background checks.  I know someone who went to the range before going to work at the airport one day, and she accidentally left in her purse the slide of the gun as well as a loaded magazine.  She had this inside the airport.  Luckily, her husband worked with the police at the airport, so she could call him and he took it from her.  But really, it is ridiculously easy to get things on planes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a terrorist group were patient enough to wait 10 years ( which they clearly are ) they can get anything on a airplane .
Airport ( specifically airline airport ) employees can access pretty much any secure area , including the airplanes themselves as well as the ramp area , without any type of security screening after the initial background checks .
I know someone who went to the range before going to work at the airport one day , and she accidentally left in her purse the slide of the gun as well as a loaded magazine .
She had this inside the airport .
Luckily , her husband worked with the police at the airport , so she could call him and he took it from her .
But really , it is ridiculously easy to get things on planes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a terrorist group were patient enough to wait 10 years(which they clearly are) they can get anything on a airplane.
Airport(specifically airline airport) employees can access pretty much any secure area, including the airplanes themselves as well as the ramp area, without any type of security screening after the initial background checks.
I know someone who went to the range before going to work at the airport one day, and she accidentally left in her purse the slide of the gun as well as a loaded magazine.
She had this inside the airport.
Luckily, her husband worked with the police at the airport, so she could call him and he took it from her.
But really, it is ridiculously easy to get things on planes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334925</id>
	<title>Yes, but it will only be mandatory for...</title>
	<author>RogueWarrior65</author>
	<datestamp>1245079620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right winger voters, soldiers returning from Iraq, and people with Ron Paul bumper stickers because "we have to know who these people are!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right winger voters , soldiers returning from Iraq , and people with Ron Paul bumper stickers because " we have to know who these people are !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right winger voters, soldiers returning from Iraq, and people with Ron Paul bumper stickers because "we have to know who these people are!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28340491</id>
	<title>Accidental good idea</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1245059460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA, Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.):</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10, 2001</p></div><p>Excellent idea! We'll save a fortune and make the U.S. safe for freedom again! I'll get the keys<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA , Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. ( R-Wis. ) : We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10 , 2001Excellent idea !
We 'll save a fortune and make the U.S. safe for freedom again !
I 'll get the keys : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA, Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.):We go right back to where we were on Sept. 10, 2001Excellent idea!
We'll save a fortune and make the U.S. safe for freedom again!
I'll get the keys :-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335623</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245082980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>NY is pretty rigorous with its ID requirements.  The whole reason Real ID came up is that some states are ridiculously lax with their ID standards.  I've supported a national ID from the very start because I have absolutely no problem with all citizens having one ID.  I think the notion that anonymity leads to safety is absurd.  You only need anonymity when you already live in a repressive state.  And if it comes to that then there are always ways to drop off the radar.
<br> <br>
For now I'm perfectly fine with a really secure national ID program.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NY is pretty rigorous with its ID requirements .
The whole reason Real ID came up is that some states are ridiculously lax with their ID standards .
I 've supported a national ID from the very start because I have absolutely no problem with all citizens having one ID .
I think the notion that anonymity leads to safety is absurd .
You only need anonymity when you already live in a repressive state .
And if it comes to that then there are always ways to drop off the radar .
For now I 'm perfectly fine with a really secure national ID program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NY is pretty rigorous with its ID requirements.
The whole reason Real ID came up is that some states are ridiculously lax with their ID standards.
I've supported a national ID from the very start because I have absolutely no problem with all citizens having one ID.
I think the notion that anonymity leads to safety is absurd.
You only need anonymity when you already live in a repressive state.
And if it comes to that then there are always ways to drop off the radar.
For now I'm perfectly fine with a really secure national ID program.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335759</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245083460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work on as a consultant an travel everyweek I found someones pocket knife near the garbage in an airport, I assume they were afraid to take it through screening, and I have been carrying it on board ever since. Thirty flights in a row by now even had the TSA go through my bag twice manually and not care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work on as a consultant an travel everyweek I found someones pocket knife near the garbage in an airport , I assume they were afraid to take it through screening , and I have been carrying it on board ever since .
Thirty flights in a row by now even had the TSA go through my bag twice manually and not care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work on as a consultant an travel everyweek I found someones pocket knife near the garbage in an airport, I assume they were afraid to take it through screening, and I have been carrying it on board ever since.
Thirty flights in a row by now even had the TSA go through my bag twice manually and not care.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334405</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Ioldanach</author>
	<datestamp>1245076680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?</p></div></blockquote><p>You're buying into the security theater paradigm.  Before 9/11, hijackings were kidnapping and ransom situations in the US.  If you wanted to survive, you kept a low profile and didn't rock the boat, and odds were everything would be fine.  Out of 200 people they might kill one or two, so your odds of being that one were low enough that resistance was not a good idea.  9/11 changed all that.  Now the possibility that everyone might be killed is very very real, so terrorists are likely to see an overwhelming resistance if all they could get on board were knives or possibly even a couple small firearms.
</p><p>I honestly think that a modest knife, say 3" or less, presents no substantial hijack threat.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But what if I had been a terrorist , fully aware of the knife ? You 're buying into the security theater paradigm .
Before 9/11 , hijackings were kidnapping and ransom situations in the US .
If you wanted to survive , you kept a low profile and did n't rock the boat , and odds were everything would be fine .
Out of 200 people they might kill one or two , so your odds of being that one were low enough that resistance was not a good idea .
9/11 changed all that .
Now the possibility that everyone might be killed is very very real , so terrorists are likely to see an overwhelming resistance if all they could get on board were knives or possibly even a couple small firearms .
I honestly think that a modest knife , say 3 " or less , presents no substantial hijack threat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?You're buying into the security theater paradigm.
Before 9/11, hijackings were kidnapping and ransom situations in the US.
If you wanted to survive, you kept a low profile and didn't rock the boat, and odds were everything would be fine.
Out of 200 people they might kill one or two, so your odds of being that one were low enough that resistance was not a good idea.
9/11 changed all that.
Now the possibility that everyone might be killed is very very real, so terrorists are likely to see an overwhelming resistance if all they could get on board were knives or possibly even a couple small firearms.
I honestly think that a modest knife, say 3" or less, presents no substantial hijack threat.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334673</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245078300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A piece of plexiglass can be sharpened equally as sharp as a metal knife.</p><p>A ball point pen can be turned into a small gun that can kill.</p><p>A length of cotton double wrapped can strangle someone.</p><p>It's not possible to stop people smuggling deadly weapons on board, as nearly any object can be used to hurt or maim. And if a maximum security prison can't stop smuggling, then neither can an airline.  If they can then get the airlines to run the prisons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A piece of plexiglass can be sharpened equally as sharp as a metal knife.A ball point pen can be turned into a small gun that can kill.A length of cotton double wrapped can strangle someone.It 's not possible to stop people smuggling deadly weapons on board , as nearly any object can be used to hurt or maim .
And if a maximum security prison ca n't stop smuggling , then neither can an airline .
If they can then get the airlines to run the prisons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A piece of plexiglass can be sharpened equally as sharp as a metal knife.A ball point pen can be turned into a small gun that can kill.A length of cotton double wrapped can strangle someone.It's not possible to stop people smuggling deadly weapons on board, as nearly any object can be used to hurt or maim.
And if a maximum security prison can't stop smuggling, then neither can an airline.
If they can then get the airlines to run the prisons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335231</id>
	<title>Slap a photo on your SS card - problem solved</title>
	<author>Bruiser80</author>
	<datestamp>1245081000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We already have a national ID card and everybody already has it. It's your social security card.
<br> <br>
How about we update the SSCard from paper to plastic, add a 2-d barcode on the back, add a photo on the font, add a hologram, rfid, gps, whatever on it, and you're done.
<br> <br>
Licensed to drive in a state? Change the border of the picture, add a line on the info, whatever.
<br> <br>
Would that cost $4,000,000,000? Maybe. I'm happy the government is finally worried about a number as low as 4-billion.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have a national ID card and everybody already has it .
It 's your social security card .
How about we update the SSCard from paper to plastic , add a 2-d barcode on the back , add a photo on the font , add a hologram , rfid , gps , whatever on it , and you 're done .
Licensed to drive in a state ?
Change the border of the picture , add a line on the info , whatever .
Would that cost $ 4,000,000,000 ?
Maybe. I 'm happy the government is finally worried about a number as low as 4-billion .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already have a national ID card and everybody already has it.
It's your social security card.
How about we update the SSCard from paper to plastic, add a 2-d barcode on the back, add a photo on the font, add a hologram, rfid, gps, whatever on it, and you're done.
Licensed to drive in a state?
Change the border of the picture, add a line on the info, whatever.
Would that cost $4,000,000,000?
Maybe. I'm happy the government is finally worried about a number as low as 4-billion.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28343161</id>
	<title>knives</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245076140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I have flown, I have, entirely by accident, smuggled two knives onto an airplane.</i> </p><p>When I was in high school more than half of the boys, and some girls carried pocket knives.  More than twenty years later I still carry a pocket knife everywhere, though in the past two weeks I went into government buildings and had to take the knife out of my pocket and leave in the car.  All this paranoia reminds me people used to carry guns into court rooms.</p><p><i>But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?</i></p><p>When others can also carry their's on board it doesn't mean much.  It's only when they are banned that it means anything, it means others are unarmed.  Besides my knife I used to also carry a staff, I keep it in my car, but now I'm concerned that if I carry it now I'll end up with a goon squad of cops jumping on me.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have flown , I have , entirely by accident , smuggled two knives onto an airplane .
When I was in high school more than half of the boys , and some girls carried pocket knives .
More than twenty years later I still carry a pocket knife everywhere , though in the past two weeks I went into government buildings and had to take the knife out of my pocket and leave in the car .
All this paranoia reminds me people used to carry guns into court rooms.But what if I had been a terrorist , fully aware of the knife ? When others can also carry their 's on board it does n't mean much .
It 's only when they are banned that it means anything , it means others are unarmed .
Besides my knife I used to also carry a staff , I keep it in my car , but now I 'm concerned that if I carry it now I 'll end up with a goon squad of cops jumping on me .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have flown, I have, entirely by accident, smuggled two knives onto an airplane.
When I was in high school more than half of the boys, and some girls carried pocket knives.
More than twenty years later I still carry a pocket knife everywhere, though in the past two weeks I went into government buildings and had to take the knife out of my pocket and leave in the car.
All this paranoia reminds me people used to carry guns into court rooms.But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?When others can also carry their's on board it doesn't mean much.
It's only when they are banned that it means anything, it means others are unarmed.
Besides my knife I used to also carry a staff, I keep it in my car, but now I'm concerned that if I carry it now I'll end up with a goon squad of cops jumping on me.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334017</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>idiotnot</author>
	<datestamp>1245073800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ditto.  I went Saturday.  Virginia's new licensing process has been well-publicized, and it's a PITA.  I probably won't actually get my real license for a few weeks.  Until then, I have my old one (doesn't expire until August), and a piece of paper that has the new one's expiration date.</p><p>All that said, the Virginia DMV has gotten a lot better.  I got there about 20 minutes after opening, and was out in about 1:15.  I can remember getting it renewed ten years ago, and having it take almost four hours.</p><p>And when I first got my license in Mississippi, it was an all-day affair -- about six hours, total.  (mid-90s)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ditto .
I went Saturday .
Virginia 's new licensing process has been well-publicized , and it 's a PITA .
I probably wo n't actually get my real license for a few weeks .
Until then , I have my old one ( does n't expire until August ) , and a piece of paper that has the new one 's expiration date.All that said , the Virginia DMV has gotten a lot better .
I got there about 20 minutes after opening , and was out in about 1 : 15 .
I can remember getting it renewed ten years ago , and having it take almost four hours.And when I first got my license in Mississippi , it was an all-day affair -- about six hours , total .
( mid-90s )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ditto.
I went Saturday.
Virginia's new licensing process has been well-publicized, and it's a PITA.
I probably won't actually get my real license for a few weeks.
Until then, I have my old one (doesn't expire until August), and a piece of paper that has the new one's expiration date.All that said, the Virginia DMV has gotten a lot better.
I got there about 20 minutes after opening, and was out in about 1:15.
I can remember getting it renewed ten years ago, and having it take almost four hours.And when I first got my license in Mississippi, it was an all-day affair -- about six hours, total.
(mid-90s)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28338119</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>ca111a</author>
	<datestamp>1245093840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought you could only do it every other time and still had to come in every 10 years to have your picture taken.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought you could only do it every other time and still had to come in every 10 years to have your picture taken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought you could only do it every other time and still had to come in every 10 years to have your picture taken.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28336861</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>ckaminski</author>
	<datestamp>1245088020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My first flight post 9/11 I had forgotten a pair of 6" barber's clippers (the pokey kind) in my ditty bag in my backpack.  The guy at the screener is like:<br><br>Hmm... looks like clippers.<br>Looks like really big clippers.<br>[looks at me] this bag yours.<br>Me: Yep.<br>Yep.  REALLY big clippers.  have a nice day.<br><br>And I walk onto my plane.<br><br>You can't tell me they weren't racially profiling back then (this was in Boston, by the way).   I lost a small swiss army knife on the return flight, out of Norfolk (much more serious folk down there).  And I turned in a 3" kabar mule in Boston because I was in a hurry and couldn't mail it home, and I really didn't want to sit in interrogation for the rest of my life.  The screener said, "You know I can have you arrested for this?" to which I replied, "You got to do what you got to do, man."<br><br>TF.Greene (PVD) was pretty good too.  They caught the same kabar when I was heading to Orlando.  No paperwork, and I got to send it home, but I did notice for a while I was getting extra scrutiny on flights afterwards (back searches, etc.).</htmltext>
<tokenext>My first flight post 9/11 I had forgotten a pair of 6 " barber 's clippers ( the pokey kind ) in my ditty bag in my backpack .
The guy at the screener is like : Hmm... looks like clippers.Looks like really big clippers .
[ looks at me ] this bag yours.Me : Yep.Yep .
REALLY big clippers .
have a nice day.And I walk onto my plane.You ca n't tell me they were n't racially profiling back then ( this was in Boston , by the way ) .
I lost a small swiss army knife on the return flight , out of Norfolk ( much more serious folk down there ) .
And I turned in a 3 " kabar mule in Boston because I was in a hurry and could n't mail it home , and I really did n't want to sit in interrogation for the rest of my life .
The screener said , " You know I can have you arrested for this ?
" to which I replied , " You got to do what you got to do , man .
" TF.Greene ( PVD ) was pretty good too .
They caught the same kabar when I was heading to Orlando .
No paperwork , and I got to send it home , but I did notice for a while I was getting extra scrutiny on flights afterwards ( back searches , etc .
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first flight post 9/11 I had forgotten a pair of 6" barber's clippers (the pokey kind) in my ditty bag in my backpack.
The guy at the screener is like:Hmm... looks like clippers.Looks like really big clippers.
[looks at me] this bag yours.Me: Yep.Yep.
REALLY big clippers.
have a nice day.And I walk onto my plane.You can't tell me they weren't racially profiling back then (this was in Boston, by the way).
I lost a small swiss army knife on the return flight, out of Norfolk (much more serious folk down there).
And I turned in a 3" kabar mule in Boston because I was in a hurry and couldn't mail it home, and I really didn't want to sit in interrogation for the rest of my life.
The screener said, "You know I can have you arrested for this?
" to which I replied, "You got to do what you got to do, man.
"TF.Greene (PVD) was pretty good too.
They caught the same kabar when I was heading to Orlando.
No paperwork, and I got to send it home, but I did notice for a while I was getting extra scrutiny on flights afterwards (back searches, etc.
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335879</id>
	<title>My ID</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1245083820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can design my own credit card at Capital One's CardLab.  OK, so I want to be able to design my own driver's license, one that is uniquely me.  Why shouldn't I be able to do this?  Some states are still using licenses that are easily duplicated are freely available for people to fake.  Which was the whole point of Real ID in the first place - to bring those states into line because without the Real ID law there was no federal power to say what a driver's license was.</p><p>So now I want my own and one that has a picture of me when I was 16 on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can design my own credit card at Capital One 's CardLab .
OK , so I want to be able to design my own driver 's license , one that is uniquely me .
Why should n't I be able to do this ?
Some states are still using licenses that are easily duplicated are freely available for people to fake .
Which was the whole point of Real ID in the first place - to bring those states into line because without the Real ID law there was no federal power to say what a driver 's license was.So now I want my own and one that has a picture of me when I was 16 on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can design my own credit card at Capital One's CardLab.
OK, so I want to be able to design my own driver's license, one that is uniquely me.
Why shouldn't I be able to do this?
Some states are still using licenses that are easily duplicated are freely available for people to fake.
Which was the whole point of Real ID in the first place - to bring those states into line because without the Real ID law there was no federal power to say what a driver's license was.So now I want my own and one that has a picture of me when I was 16 on it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334647</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1245078180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even as backwards as SC is, you can do everything but get the photo changed on your licence from home, including reprints, renewals, change of address, and more, and it;s between $10 and $24 depending on the service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even as backwards as SC is , you can do everything but get the photo changed on your licence from home , including reprints , renewals , change of address , and more , and it ; s between $ 10 and $ 24 depending on the service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even as backwards as SC is, you can do everything but get the photo changed on your licence from home, including reprints, renewals, change of address, and more, and it;s between $10 and $24 depending on the service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28344965</id>
	<title>Re:New Hampshire</title>
	<author>austin987</author>
	<datestamp>1245095040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good for them! Thank the FSM there's some sanity left in at least one state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for them !
Thank the FSM there 's some sanity left in at least one state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for them!
Thank the FSM there's some sanity left in at least one state.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334877</id>
	<title>Regardless we need it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245079380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not saying it will stop FakeIDs, but having a little more consitent document check is a good thing, I think having a standard ID type will also be helpfull, imagine your in CA and someone has a NY license, only trained security staff really have a clue as to what it should look like.  I think this is more to help with illegal immigrants getting Gov issued ID's than to stop terroist, and I'm all for that.  I don't understand it's called ILLEGAL immigrant for a reason.  If they are supposed to be here let's call them Visiting/Undocumented/Drive By   Immigrants.   Cut welfare make the people who can work work.  Sure they may have to do the jobs that snooty americans deemed "only good enough for immigrants"  well forget that I won't look down on someone who is working,  OK enough off topic.  REALID is REALLY GOOD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not saying it will stop FakeIDs , but having a little more consitent document check is a good thing , I think having a standard ID type will also be helpfull , imagine your in CA and someone has a NY license , only trained security staff really have a clue as to what it should look like .
I think this is more to help with illegal immigrants getting Gov issued ID 's than to stop terroist , and I 'm all for that .
I do n't understand it 's called ILLEGAL immigrant for a reason .
If they are supposed to be here let 's call them Visiting/Undocumented/Drive By Immigrants .
Cut welfare make the people who can work work .
Sure they may have to do the jobs that snooty americans deemed " only good enough for immigrants " well forget that I wo n't look down on someone who is working , OK enough off topic .
REALID is REALLY GOOD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not saying it will stop FakeIDs, but having a little more consitent document check is a good thing, I think having a standard ID type will also be helpfull, imagine your in CA and someone has a NY license, only trained security staff really have a clue as to what it should look like.
I think this is more to help with illegal immigrants getting Gov issued ID's than to stop terroist, and I'm all for that.
I don't understand it's called ILLEGAL immigrant for a reason.
If they are supposed to be here let's call them Visiting/Undocumented/Drive By   Immigrants.
Cut welfare make the people who can work work.
Sure they may have to do the jobs that snooty americans deemed "only good enough for immigrants"  well forget that I won't look down on someone who is working,  OK enough off topic.
REALID is REALLY GOOD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337955</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>stonewallred</author>
	<datestamp>1245092940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some people, who are highly suspicious of the government, recommended a few decades ago to get a second, third and even fourth set of IDs in case America turned into some type of socialist/communist/fear de jour nation. Setting up a new ID is time consuming and somewhat difficult, but far from impossible or anywhere near the level you portray it to be. My state actually issues prisoners ID cards that can be used to establish their identity at the DMV. That card, or actually a photocopy of the card, is all that is needed to get a ID card/driver's license. I am sure however all people will use their true name if arrested, especially if they have no prior criminal convictions. Furthermore, the rules for getting an ID vary as do the people providing the ID. You would figure on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. of all places, that social engineering would be a familiar concept. Most of the time it is how you interact with the person rather than the rules. So geographical location, personality and social skills play a larger part than what the "rules" are. YMMV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people , who are highly suspicious of the government , recommended a few decades ago to get a second , third and even fourth set of IDs in case America turned into some type of socialist/communist/fear de jour nation .
Setting up a new ID is time consuming and somewhat difficult , but far from impossible or anywhere near the level you portray it to be .
My state actually issues prisoners ID cards that can be used to establish their identity at the DMV .
That card , or actually a photocopy of the card , is all that is needed to get a ID card/driver 's license .
I am sure however all people will use their true name if arrested , especially if they have no prior criminal convictions .
Furthermore , the rules for getting an ID vary as do the people providing the ID .
You would figure on / .
of all places , that social engineering would be a familiar concept .
Most of the time it is how you interact with the person rather than the rules .
So geographical location , personality and social skills play a larger part than what the " rules " are .
YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people, who are highly suspicious of the government, recommended a few decades ago to get a second, third and even fourth set of IDs in case America turned into some type of socialist/communist/fear de jour nation.
Setting up a new ID is time consuming and somewhat difficult, but far from impossible or anywhere near the level you portray it to be.
My state actually issues prisoners ID cards that can be used to establish their identity at the DMV.
That card, or actually a photocopy of the card, is all that is needed to get a ID card/driver's license.
I am sure however all people will use their true name if arrested, especially if they have no prior criminal convictions.
Furthermore, the rules for getting an ID vary as do the people providing the ID.
You would figure on /.
of all places, that social engineering would be a familiar concept.
Most of the time it is how you interact with the person rather than the rules.
So geographical location, personality and social skills play a larger part than what the "rules" are.
YMMV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337263</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Radhruin</author>
	<datestamp>1245089880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I accidentally brought a 4 inch buck knife onto an NWA flight... dunno how they missed that one, especially after searching my bag and removing my tube of toothpaste that was, *gasp*, not travel sized (but only 1/4 full). Security theater indeed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I accidentally brought a 4 inch buck knife onto an NWA flight... dunno how they missed that one , especially after searching my bag and removing my tube of toothpaste that was , * gasp * , not travel sized ( but only 1/4 full ) .
Security theater indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I accidentally brought a 4 inch buck knife onto an NWA flight... dunno how they missed that one, especially after searching my bag and removing my tube of toothpaste that was, *gasp*, not travel sized (but only 1/4 full).
Security theater indeed.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28344833</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245093060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A BIC pen to the throat works fine!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A BIC pen to the throat works fine !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A BIC pen to the throat works fine!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334405</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28338767</id>
	<title>Real ID == DRM?</title>
	<author>jriskin</author>
	<datestamp>1245096360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it me or is Real ID like DRM? For anyone who really wants to circumvent the system, it's not very difficult for a determined individual to do so. But, it's a serious pain the a$$ for a certain percentage of the law abiding citizens to deal with it.</p><p>I don't see any benefits and I see privacy, cost and bureaucracy negatives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it me or is Real ID like DRM ?
For anyone who really wants to circumvent the system , it 's not very difficult for a determined individual to do so .
But , it 's a serious pain the a $ $ for a certain percentage of the law abiding citizens to deal with it.I do n't see any benefits and I see privacy , cost and bureaucracy negatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it me or is Real ID like DRM?
For anyone who really wants to circumvent the system, it's not very difficult for a determined individual to do so.
But, it's a serious pain the a$$ for a certain percentage of the law abiding citizens to deal with it.I don't see any benefits and I see privacy, cost and bureaucracy negatives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333773</id>
	<title>DMV</title>
	<author>qpawn</author>
	<datestamp>1245071280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just went into the DMV to renew my license and it was expensive and rigorous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just went into the DMV to renew my license and it was expensive and rigorous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just went into the DMV to renew my license and it was expensive and rigorous.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334371</id>
	<title>Singing Bowl Got Past Security</title>
	<author>jDeepbeep</author>
	<datestamp>1245076500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11.  People can still sneak things onto airplanes.  In fact, the last two times I have flown, I have, entirely by accident, smuggled two knives onto an airplane.  Note that these were simply a "multitool"-type knife that I use for taking computers apart when I have no other tools available, but they were still knives, still not allowed, and still, according the DHS, a security risk.  Yet twice TSA screeners missed it.  I myself didn't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on (I won't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused)  -- I thought it was lost.  But what if I <em>had</em> been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?</p></div><p>I was traveling with a stop over in Chicago a few years back.  In my bag was a hand-made Nepali singing bowl (a musical instrument).  Mind you, it was quite large and took up most of the bag, and is made of an alloy of 5 types of metal. The first time I went through security nobody noticed it.  Then I went back outside for a smoke and had to go through security again.  *This* time the scanner guy watching his little TV waved his arms frantically for all the other securty to run over and check out the bag.  They were freaked out and furious.  I told them it was a musical instrument and even gave them a demonstration of how it worked.

Just as they were letting me leave/proceed,  I told them, "oh yeah, the first time I went through here, not one eyebrow was raised".  Then I got to see them all gallop back to the little TV sets in anger.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11 .
People can still sneak things onto airplanes .
In fact , the last two times I have flown , I have , entirely by accident , smuggled two knives onto an airplane .
Note that these were simply a " multitool " -type knife that I use for taking computers apart when I have no other tools available , but they were still knives , still not allowed , and still , according the DHS , a security risk .
Yet twice TSA screeners missed it .
I myself did n't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on ( I wo n't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused ) -- I thought it was lost .
But what if I had been a terrorist , fully aware of the knife ? I was traveling with a stop over in Chicago a few years back .
In my bag was a hand-made Nepali singing bowl ( a musical instrument ) .
Mind you , it was quite large and took up most of the bag , and is made of an alloy of 5 types of metal .
The first time I went through security nobody noticed it .
Then I went back outside for a smoke and had to go through security again .
* This * time the scanner guy watching his little TV waved his arms frantically for all the other securty to run over and check out the bag .
They were freaked out and furious .
I told them it was a musical instrument and even gave them a demonstration of how it worked .
Just as they were letting me leave/proceed , I told them , " oh yeah , the first time I went through here , not one eyebrow was raised " .
Then I got to see them all gallop back to the little TV sets in anger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is that security is no better now than it was before 9/11.
People can still sneak things onto airplanes.
In fact, the last two times I have flown, I have, entirely by accident, smuggled two knives onto an airplane.
Note that these were simply a "multitool"-type knife that I use for taking computers apart when I have no other tools available, but they were still knives, still not allowed, and still, according the DHS, a security risk.
Yet twice TSA screeners missed it.
I myself didn't even realize it was stuck in my usual carry on (I won't say how or why it was missed because that information can be misused)  -- I thought it was lost.
But what if I had been a terrorist, fully aware of the knife?I was traveling with a stop over in Chicago a few years back.
In my bag was a hand-made Nepali singing bowl (a musical instrument).
Mind you, it was quite large and took up most of the bag, and is made of an alloy of 5 types of metal.
The first time I went through security nobody noticed it.
Then I went back outside for a smoke and had to go through security again.
*This* time the scanner guy watching his little TV waved his arms frantically for all the other securty to run over and check out the bag.
They were freaked out and furious.
I told them it was a musical instrument and even gave them a demonstration of how it worked.
Just as they were letting me leave/proceed,  I told them, "oh yeah, the first time I went through here, not one eyebrow was raised".
Then I got to see them all gallop back to the little TV sets in anger.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28353791</id>
	<title>Alcohol</title>
	<author>GWBasic</author>
	<datestamp>1245147360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are some areas where it's hard to buy alcohol or get served with an out-of-state ID.  As much as I don't like the idea of "Real ID," I want something that allows me to buy alcohol without hassle when I travel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are some areas where it 's hard to buy alcohol or get served with an out-of-state ID .
As much as I do n't like the idea of " Real ID , " I want something that allows me to buy alcohol without hassle when I travel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are some areas where it's hard to buy alcohol or get served with an out-of-state ID.
As much as I don't like the idea of "Real ID," I want something that allows me to buy alcohol without hassle when I travel.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28340971</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245061620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>NY must be on to something with those express DMV's.  I had to renew my license a few months ago and I needed a new picture and an eye test.  I went to the License Express DMV in Manhattan, thinking by "Express" they meant 3 hours...I was in and out in under 5 mins.  Walked in, stood in line for 30 seconds, got the paper to sign my name, took said paper to eye test / picture station, took the form they mailed to me (and I filled out at home) to the next counter, paid the fee, got my temp license 30 seconds later.  Walked out the door (somewhat disappointed I didn't get to read the magazine I had brought with me).</htmltext>
<tokenext>NY must be on to something with those express DMV 's .
I had to renew my license a few months ago and I needed a new picture and an eye test .
I went to the License Express DMV in Manhattan , thinking by " Express " they meant 3 hours...I was in and out in under 5 mins .
Walked in , stood in line for 30 seconds , got the paper to sign my name , took said paper to eye test / picture station , took the form they mailed to me ( and I filled out at home ) to the next counter , paid the fee , got my temp license 30 seconds later .
Walked out the door ( somewhat disappointed I did n't get to read the magazine I had brought with me ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NY must be on to something with those express DMV's.
I had to renew my license a few months ago and I needed a new picture and an eye test.
I went to the License Express DMV in Manhattan, thinking by "Express" they meant 3 hours...I was in and out in under 5 mins.
Walked in, stood in line for 30 seconds, got the paper to sign my name, took said paper to eye test / picture station, took the form they mailed to me (and I filled out at home) to the next counter, paid the fee, got my temp license 30 seconds later.
Walked out the door (somewhat disappointed I didn't get to read the magazine I had brought with me).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333931</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28336969</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>ckaminski</author>
	<datestamp>1245088500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, if the xray scanners can tell that I have a plastic bottle of sunscreen in my backpack, there's NO way they're going to miss your ceramic or obsidian knife, unless it was so perfectly packed as to blend into the outer lines of your pack's profile.  And even then, pray they don't have multi-axis scanners.<br><br>Yes, I had my coppertone sunscreen taken out of my pack, and the guy zeroed right in on it, knew exactly what pocket it was in.   xray technology at airports is fucking amazing now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , if the xray scanners can tell that I have a plastic bottle of sunscreen in my backpack , there 's NO way they 're going to miss your ceramic or obsidian knife , unless it was so perfectly packed as to blend into the outer lines of your pack 's profile .
And even then , pray they do n't have multi-axis scanners.Yes , I had my coppertone sunscreen taken out of my pack , and the guy zeroed right in on it , knew exactly what pocket it was in .
xray technology at airports is fucking amazing now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, if the xray scanners can tell that I have a plastic bottle of sunscreen in my backpack, there's NO way they're going to miss your ceramic or obsidian knife, unless it was so perfectly packed as to blend into the outer lines of your pack's profile.
And even then, pray they don't have multi-axis scanners.Yes, I had my coppertone sunscreen taken out of my pack, and the guy zeroed right in on it, knew exactly what pocket it was in.
xray technology at airports is fucking amazing now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333839</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully It'll Just Go Away</title>
	<author>Fotograf</author>
	<datestamp>1245072060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>yep, almost 8 years ago and still strong. we need to keep people to fear something, imo swine flu is even better because there can be discovered expensive vaccination once fear reaches peak.</htmltext>
<tokenext>yep , almost 8 years ago and still strong .
we need to keep people to fear something , imo swine flu is even better because there can be discovered expensive vaccination once fear reaches peak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yep, almost 8 years ago and still strong.
we need to keep people to fear something, imo swine flu is even better because there can be discovered expensive vaccination once fear reaches peak.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333783</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28336459</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>Z00L00K</author>
	<datestamp>1245086220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ID situation in the US is sometimes a joke compared to other countries - like in the EU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ID situation in the US is sometimes a joke compared to other countries - like in the EU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ID situation in the US is sometimes a joke compared to other countries - like in the EU.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333773</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28341665</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>tuxgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1245065520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always renew my drivers license by mail. It's never any problem at all<br>Additionally, just renewed one of my truck registrations, cost $15. Again, nothing to bitch about there</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always renew my drivers license by mail .
It 's never any problem at allAdditionally , just renewed one of my truck registrations , cost $ 15 .
Again , nothing to bitch about there</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always renew my drivers license by mail.
It's never any problem at allAdditionally, just renewed one of my truck registrations, cost $15.
Again, nothing to bitch about there</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333773</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28338761</id>
	<title>9/11 was an inside job.</title>
	<author>crhylove</author>
	<datestamp>1245096360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Despite every bit of screaming for the US to enter further into fascism, including the REAL ID, the real scientific facts are indisputable:</p><p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8182697765360042032" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8182697765360042032</a> [google.com]</p><p>Do your homework.  Do at least a small modicum of research.</p><p>Figure out HOW and WHY giant steel building fall down.</p><p>9/11 was an inside job!  Fight fascism at every point, including REAL ID!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite every bit of screaming for the US to enter further into fascism , including the REAL ID , the real scientific facts are indisputable : http : //video.google.com/videoplay ? docid = -8182697765360042032 [ google.com ] Do your homework .
Do at least a small modicum of research.Figure out HOW and WHY giant steel building fall down.9/11 was an inside job !
Fight fascism at every point , including REAL ID ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite every bit of screaming for the US to enter further into fascism, including the REAL ID, the real scientific facts are indisputable:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8182697765360042032 [google.com]Do your homework.
Do at least a small modicum of research.Figure out HOW and WHY giant steel building fall down.9/11 was an inside job!
Fight fascism at every point, including REAL ID!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28340437</id>
	<title>9/11 hijackers had legitimate ID!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245059220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this will not help anything - the 9/11 hijackers had legitimate ID!!!</p><p>they were IDed before boarding, just like the other passengers.</p><p>why does anyone think this will help???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this will not help anything - the 9/11 hijackers had legitimate ID ! !
! they were IDed before boarding , just like the other passengers.why does anyone think this will help ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this will not help anything - the 9/11 hijackers had legitimate ID!!
!they were IDed before boarding, just like the other passengers.why does anyone think this will help??
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337533</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1245091080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Texas I got mine done with the insurance to my car, and just knowing my social. That was just around last thanksgiving and I spent maybe 30mins in the DMV tops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Texas I got mine done with the insurance to my car , and just knowing my social .
That was just around last thanksgiving and I spent maybe 30mins in the DMV tops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Texas I got mine done with the insurance to my car, and just knowing my social.
That was just around last thanksgiving and I spent maybe 30mins in the DMV tops.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333773</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28338087</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>stonewallred</author>
	<datestamp>1245093720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lol in NC I spent more time laughing over the question on the marriage license than actually filling the damn thing out. "Are you closer relationship status to the person you are marrying than 1st cousin." What is closer than first cousin? Uncle, Aunt, mother, father, sister, brother, grand parents maybe?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol in NC I spent more time laughing over the question on the marriage license than actually filling the damn thing out .
" Are you closer relationship status to the person you are marrying than 1st cousin .
" What is closer than first cousin ?
Uncle , Aunt , mother , father , sister , brother , grand parents maybe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol in NC I spent more time laughing over the question on the marriage license than actually filling the damn thing out.
"Are you closer relationship status to the person you are marrying than 1st cousin.
" What is closer than first cousin?
Uncle, Aunt, mother, father, sister, brother, grand parents maybe?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334017</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334753</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245078780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does there have to be a solution?</p><p>More efficient commerce isn't an acceptable answer.</p><p>A free people don't have to verify themselves to their government and the government has no intrinsic right to demand that of a person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does there have to be a solution ? More efficient commerce is n't an acceptable answer.A free people do n't have to verify themselves to their government and the government has no intrinsic right to demand that of a person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does there have to be a solution?More efficient commerce isn't an acceptable answer.A free people don't have to verify themselves to their government and the government has no intrinsic right to demand that of a person.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333935</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28334733</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1245078660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A hospitol birth certificate isn't hard to obtain, but an authorized state certificate, which keep in mind is also back-ended and validated by information maintained by the SSA and serveral other databases, is nearly impossible to obtain.</p><p>My wife lost hers and we needed it to go on our honeymoon to get a passport.  It was a nasty process as they wanted to validate things like the name of the hospital she was born in just to get a COPY of her birth certificate.  When I went to get a replacement SS card a couple of years ago and I brough my original certificate, it wasn't a current certified state version, and they made a dozen phone calls to validate my certificate was in fact valid, and then suggested in the future I might want to get an updated certified copy and keep the original for posterity...</p><p>Making a fake is not hard at all, but as soon as they might try to enter that information in their system, if the record in the computer can't be found or is inaccurate, you have to go through an appeals process and several ID validations before they'll issue a licences.  They do NOT take for granted what's on the piece of paper you hand them.  This isn't the 70's.</p><p>Geting a valid ID created using phony information is very hard...  VERY hard.  Not to mention the mathing SS card, valid SS record, validated proof of address from utility companies, proof of insurance in that fake name, vehicle registration, and more....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A hospitol birth certificate is n't hard to obtain , but an authorized state certificate , which keep in mind is also back-ended and validated by information maintained by the SSA and serveral other databases , is nearly impossible to obtain.My wife lost hers and we needed it to go on our honeymoon to get a passport .
It was a nasty process as they wanted to validate things like the name of the hospital she was born in just to get a COPY of her birth certificate .
When I went to get a replacement SS card a couple of years ago and I brough my original certificate , it was n't a current certified state version , and they made a dozen phone calls to validate my certificate was in fact valid , and then suggested in the future I might want to get an updated certified copy and keep the original for posterity...Making a fake is not hard at all , but as soon as they might try to enter that information in their system , if the record in the computer ca n't be found or is inaccurate , you have to go through an appeals process and several ID validations before they 'll issue a licences .
They do NOT take for granted what 's on the piece of paper you hand them .
This is n't the 70 's.Geting a valid ID created using phony information is very hard... VERY hard .
Not to mention the mathing SS card , valid SS record , validated proof of address from utility companies , proof of insurance in that fake name , vehicle registration , and more... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A hospitol birth certificate isn't hard to obtain, but an authorized state certificate, which keep in mind is also back-ended and validated by information maintained by the SSA and serveral other databases, is nearly impossible to obtain.My wife lost hers and we needed it to go on our honeymoon to get a passport.
It was a nasty process as they wanted to validate things like the name of the hospital she was born in just to get a COPY of her birth certificate.
When I went to get a replacement SS card a couple of years ago and I brough my original certificate, it wasn't a current certified state version, and they made a dozen phone calls to validate my certificate was in fact valid, and then suggested in the future I might want to get an updated certified copy and keep the original for posterity...Making a fake is not hard at all, but as soon as they might try to enter that information in their system, if the record in the computer can't be found or is inaccurate, you have to go through an appeals process and several ID validations before they'll issue a licences.
They do NOT take for granted what's on the piece of paper you hand them.
This isn't the 70's.Geting a valid ID created using phony information is very hard...  VERY hard.
Not to mention the mathing SS card, valid SS record, validated proof of address from utility companies, proof of insurance in that fake name, vehicle registration, and more....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333935</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28337409</id>
	<title>IDs</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245090600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The real problem in the US is that its too easy to get and use all sorts of things (including credit cards and prepaid mobile phones) with very little ID checking.</i></p><p>No, the real problem is any demand for ID when it's not needed.  Now one is needed for a credit card but it's not needed for a pre-paid card, unless that card is loaded with money purchased by check or another card.  If paid for with cash ID should not be needed.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem in the US is that its too easy to get and use all sorts of things ( including credit cards and prepaid mobile phones ) with very little ID checking.No , the real problem is any demand for ID when it 's not needed .
Now one is needed for a credit card but it 's not needed for a pre-paid card , unless that card is loaded with money purchased by check or another card .
If paid for with cash ID should not be needed .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem in the US is that its too easy to get and use all sorts of things (including credit cards and prepaid mobile phones) with very little ID checking.No, the real problem is any demand for ID when it's not needed.
Now one is needed for a credit card but it's not needed for a pre-paid card, unless that card is loaded with money purchased by check or another card.
If paid for with cash ID should not be needed.
Falcon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28335043</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_0134220.28333931</id>
	<title>Re:DMV</title>
	<author>bconway</author>
	<datestamp>1245072900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting. Mine was done two weeks ago through an <a href="http://www.mass.gov/rmv/" title="mass.gov">online form</a> [mass.gov] that didn't require me leaving my chair and used only the minimum amount of personally identifying information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting .
Mine was done two weeks ago through an online form [ mass.gov ] that did n't require me leaving my chair and used only the minimum amount of personally identifying information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting.
Mine was done two weeks ago through an online form [mass.gov] that didn't require me leaving my chair and used only the minimum amount of personally identifying information.</sentencetext>
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