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	<title>Swine Flu Vaccine In Production</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1244985720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://allcurrentevents.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">ravjen</a> writes with news that "Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis AG said they have <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090612/ap\_on\_bi\_ge/eu\_med\_swine\_flu\_vaccine">successfully produced a swine flu vaccine</a> weeks ahead of their expectations. The vaccine was made in cells, rather than grown in eggs as is usually the case with vaccines." This announcement came just a day after the World Health Organization <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/11/1725204/WHO-Declares-H1N1s-Spread-Officially-a-Pandemic?from=rss">declared H1N1's spread to be a pandemic</a>. The vaccine has <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/12/novartis-swine-flu-markets-equity-pharmaceuticals.html">not been tested in humans yet</a>, so the first batch is set to be used in clinical trials and pre-clinical testing. If all goes well, the new production method would allow Novartis to get the drug to market in large quantities by this fall. Other drug companies, such as Baxter International, have confirmed that they're in <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/13/AR2009061301360.html">"full-scale production" of H1N1 vaccines</a> as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ravjen writes with news that " Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis AG said they have successfully produced a swine flu vaccine weeks ahead of their expectations .
The vaccine was made in cells , rather than grown in eggs as is usually the case with vaccines .
" This announcement came just a day after the World Health Organization declared H1N1 's spread to be a pandemic .
The vaccine has not been tested in humans yet , so the first batch is set to be used in clinical trials and pre-clinical testing .
If all goes well , the new production method would allow Novartis to get the drug to market in large quantities by this fall .
Other drug companies , such as Baxter International , have confirmed that they 're in " full-scale production " of H1N1 vaccines as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ravjen writes with news that "Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis AG said they have successfully produced a swine flu vaccine weeks ahead of their expectations.
The vaccine was made in cells, rather than grown in eggs as is usually the case with vaccines.
" This announcement came just a day after the World Health Organization declared H1N1's spread to be a pandemic.
The vaccine has not been tested in humans yet, so the first batch is set to be used in clinical trials and pre-clinical testing.
If all goes well, the new production method would allow Novartis to get the drug to market in large quantities by this fall.
Other drug companies, such as Baxter International, have confirmed that they're in "full-scale production" of H1N1 vaccines as well.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245071760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"alien invasion" have never happened except in movies.</p></div><p>Hahaha.</p><p>Yours sincerely</p><p>ZWu'BRRTZ 4H652XU N'ghTa'ff</p></div>
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<tokenext>" alien invasion " have never happened except in movies.Hahaha.Yours sincerelyZWu'BRRTZ 4H652XU N'ghTa'ff</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"alien invasion" have never happened except in movies.Hahaha.Yours sincerelyZWu'BRRTZ 4H652XU N'ghTa'ff
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	<title>Re:Quite frankly</title>
	<author>Anynomous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1245002460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not profitable ? Maybe. <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NVS" title="yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">4\% of 94B$</a> [yahoo.com] is just small change in today's world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not profitable ?
Maybe. 4 \ % of 94B $ [ yahoo.com ] is just small change in today 's world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not profitable ?
Maybe. 4\% of 94B$ [yahoo.com] is just small change in today's world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28338049</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>IorDMUX</author>
	<datestamp>1245093420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pandemics are indiscriminate and take down rich, poor, black, brown, yellow, red, white, gay, straight, Jew, Gentile, Atheist, young and old.</p></div><p>I invite you to study the sad statistics of one of our current pandemics, AIDS, especially as it affects Africa.  <br> <br>Claiming that a pandemic will equally cull the ranks of rich and poor alike shows a very limited understanding of modern health care issues.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Pandemics are indiscriminate and take down rich , poor , black , brown , yellow , red , white , gay , straight , Jew , Gentile , Atheist , young and old.I invite you to study the sad statistics of one of our current pandemics , AIDS , especially as it affects Africa .
Claiming that a pandemic will equally cull the ranks of rich and poor alike shows a very limited understanding of modern health care issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pandemics are indiscriminate and take down rich, poor, black, brown, yellow, red, white, gay, straight, Jew, Gentile, Atheist, young and old.I invite you to study the sad statistics of one of our current pandemics, AIDS, especially as it affects Africa.
Claiming that a pandemic will equally cull the ranks of rich and poor alike shows a very limited understanding of modern health care issues.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326227</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244991060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a new strain of the virus that caused the Spanish flu. H1N1 is known to be highly unstable. It has a tendency to pick up genes from other viruses.</p><p>So far, this new strain is milder than a normal yearly influenza virus. But that was also true about the Spanish flu virus, the first two mutations that went around the globe. The third one was highly lethal and, sadly, 100\% lethal to pregnant women.</p><p>Look at it this way. Three possibilities:</p><p>1. We might get a huge deadly pandemic now, which could be as lethal as a world war.</p><p>2. Or we may well get a medium deadly pandemic, which also calls for great measures.</p><p>3. Or we may get a mild extra flu, on top of the usual annual flu. If we are so lucky this time, it will have been the best possible exercise for our future defences against the next great deadly pandemic. It's only a matter of time before we are faced with a pandemic with the potential of killing off tens of millions of people worldwide.</p><p>Fingers crossed and knock on wood, etc, etc...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a new strain of the virus that caused the Spanish flu .
H1N1 is known to be highly unstable .
It has a tendency to pick up genes from other viruses.So far , this new strain is milder than a normal yearly influenza virus .
But that was also true about the Spanish flu virus , the first two mutations that went around the globe .
The third one was highly lethal and , sadly , 100 \ % lethal to pregnant women.Look at it this way .
Three possibilities : 1 .
We might get a huge deadly pandemic now , which could be as lethal as a world war.2 .
Or we may well get a medium deadly pandemic , which also calls for great measures.3 .
Or we may get a mild extra flu , on top of the usual annual flu .
If we are so lucky this time , it will have been the best possible exercise for our future defences against the next great deadly pandemic .
It 's only a matter of time before we are faced with a pandemic with the potential of killing off tens of millions of people worldwide.Fingers crossed and knock on wood , etc , etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a new strain of the virus that caused the Spanish flu.
H1N1 is known to be highly unstable.
It has a tendency to pick up genes from other viruses.So far, this new strain is milder than a normal yearly influenza virus.
But that was also true about the Spanish flu virus, the first two mutations that went around the globe.
The third one was highly lethal and, sadly, 100\% lethal to pregnant women.Look at it this way.
Three possibilities:1.
We might get a huge deadly pandemic now, which could be as lethal as a world war.2.
Or we may well get a medium deadly pandemic, which also calls for great measures.3.
Or we may get a mild extra flu, on top of the usual annual flu.
If we are so lucky this time, it will have been the best possible exercise for our future defences against the next great deadly pandemic.
It's only a matter of time before we are faced with a pandemic with the potential of killing off tens of millions of people worldwide.Fingers crossed and knock on wood, etc, etc...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326471</id>
	<title>Re:Quite frankly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244993820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it make more sense to speculate that they are spreading prions that make people fat?  There's far more money in heart disease and diabetes.  The hole in your conspiracy theory is that vaccines are not very profitable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it make more sense to speculate that they are spreading prions that make people fat ?
There 's far more money in heart disease and diabetes .
The hole in your conspiracy theory is that vaccines are not very profitable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it make more sense to speculate that they are spreading prions that make people fat?
There's far more money in heart disease and diabetes.
The hole in your conspiracy theory is that vaccines are not very profitable.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The only problem now is quantum and distributio</title>
	<author>TOGSolid</author>
	<datestamp>1244994360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was.</htmltext>
<tokenext>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326485</id>
	<title>Early vaccine</title>
	<author>epifreak</author>
	<datestamp>1244994000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My only concern is that the vaccine is developed against the H1N1 virus (likely neuraminidase) that is currently circulating. It does have high human-human transmission rate, but mortality is 0.5\% so far, so most of the cases are mild. What is WHO scared of is this virus becoming more virulent, by say mixing with H5N1 - mortality rate 60\%, thus mutating and rendering the vaccine ineffective. At least so far based on structural and bioinformatics analysis the active site of neurmainidase (this is where Tamiflu binds and prevents spread of viral particle) is unchanged, so Tamiflu will be effective for now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My only concern is that the vaccine is developed against the H1N1 virus ( likely neuraminidase ) that is currently circulating .
It does have high human-human transmission rate , but mortality is 0.5 \ % so far , so most of the cases are mild .
What is WHO scared of is this virus becoming more virulent , by say mixing with H5N1 - mortality rate 60 \ % , thus mutating and rendering the vaccine ineffective .
At least so far based on structural and bioinformatics analysis the active site of neurmainidase ( this is where Tamiflu binds and prevents spread of viral particle ) is unchanged , so Tamiflu will be effective for now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My only concern is that the vaccine is developed against the H1N1 virus (likely neuraminidase) that is currently circulating.
It does have high human-human transmission rate, but mortality is 0.5\% so far, so most of the cases are mild.
What is WHO scared of is this virus becoming more virulent, by say mixing with H5N1 - mortality rate 60\%, thus mutating and rendering the vaccine ineffective.
At least so far based on structural and bioinformatics analysis the active site of neurmainidase (this is where Tamiflu binds and prevents spread of viral particle) is unchanged, so Tamiflu will be effective for now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327997</id>
	<title>Re:Quite frankly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keeping such secret from getting out would be impossible.</p><p>Such an undertaking would require executive approval to sign off on the funding requirements in addition to the number of research staff that would need to be hired for a project of such undertaking/ The corporation would be taking a huge risk, and everyone involved would bear huge personal risk of criminal liability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keeping such secret from getting out would be impossible.Such an undertaking would require executive approval to sign off on the funding requirements in addition to the number of research staff that would need to be hired for a project of such undertaking/ The corporation would be taking a huge risk , and everyone involved would bear huge personal risk of criminal liability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keeping such secret from getting out would be impossible.Such an undertaking would require executive approval to sign off on the funding requirements in addition to the number of research staff that would need to be hired for a project of such undertaking/ The corporation would be taking a huge risk, and everyone involved would bear huge personal risk of criminal liability.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326457</id>
	<title>Re:Why Why Why?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244993580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"the announcement comes just a day after<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..." coincidence? doubt it. I'm guessing they had this a while, and waited. "Novartis to the rescue!"<br>So- maybe they could have stopped it from becoming pandemic- maybe not- depends on how soon they made it and how cheap^H^H^H^H^Hexpensive they wanted to make it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" the announcement comes just a day after ... " coincidence ?
doubt it .
I 'm guessing they had this a while , and waited .
" Novartis to the rescue !
" So- maybe they could have stopped it from becoming pandemic- maybe not- depends on how soon they made it and how cheap ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ Hexpensive they wanted to make it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the announcement comes just a day after ..." coincidence?
doubt it.
I'm guessing they had this a while, and waited.
"Novartis to the rescue!
"So- maybe they could have stopped it from becoming pandemic- maybe not- depends on how soon they made it and how cheap^H^H^H^H^Hexpensive they wanted to make it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326883</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Epistax</author>
	<datestamp>1244998920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Maybe it'll mutate a bit and swing back around killing nearly everyone who wasn't infected the first time because their immune systems won't recognize it in time. I'd go get myself infected just to be sure.<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/jk<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/who has the book rights to that situation anyway?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 'll mutate a bit and swing back around killing nearly everyone who was n't infected the first time because their immune systems wo n't recognize it in time .
I 'd go get myself infected just to be sure .
/jk /who has the book rights to that situation anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it'll mutate a bit and swing back around killing nearly everyone who wasn't infected the first time because their immune systems won't recognize it in time.
I'd go get myself infected just to be sure.
/jk /who has the book rights to that situation anyway?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28330063</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>professionalfurryele</author>
	<datestamp>1244982240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem probably wont be the mortality rate, it will be the morbidity rate.</p><p>Sure the number of people who die from the bacon lung wont be that different from seasonal flu, but the number of people who are simultaneously unable to work is a major problem for a pandemic. If half the medical professionals in a country are off sick at the same time it can be catastrophic.</p><p>I'm not particularly worried about the virus changing into something with a higher mortality rate. I worry a little in the same way I worry about asteroids smashing into the Earth. Not super likely but it is something to have in mind. I am worried what will happen to the economy if a third of the population has to take a week or two off work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem probably wont be the mortality rate , it will be the morbidity rate.Sure the number of people who die from the bacon lung wont be that different from seasonal flu , but the number of people who are simultaneously unable to work is a major problem for a pandemic .
If half the medical professionals in a country are off sick at the same time it can be catastrophic.I 'm not particularly worried about the virus changing into something with a higher mortality rate .
I worry a little in the same way I worry about asteroids smashing into the Earth .
Not super likely but it is something to have in mind .
I am worried what will happen to the economy if a third of the population has to take a week or two off work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem probably wont be the mortality rate, it will be the morbidity rate.Sure the number of people who die from the bacon lung wont be that different from seasonal flu, but the number of people who are simultaneously unable to work is a major problem for a pandemic.
If half the medical professionals in a country are off sick at the same time it can be catastrophic.I'm not particularly worried about the virus changing into something with a higher mortality rate.
I worry a little in the same way I worry about asteroids smashing into the Earth.
Not super likely but it is something to have in mind.
I am worried what will happen to the economy if a third of the population has to take a week or two off work.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Of course they have a vaccine</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1244974140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They would have made sure they had a vaccine ready before they released the virus.</p><p>1.  Create virus.<br>2.  Create vaccine.<br>3.  Release virus, and then generate as much fear and hysteria about said virus as possible, using organisations like the WHO to beat the drum for you, despite the fact that the mortality rate of said virus amounts to statistical line noise.<br>4.  Some months after the release of the virus, when a few people have died, and the "health authorities," have managed to stir public hysteria up to a fever pitch, announce that you have a vaccine for the virus, and enjoy being hailed as heroes and public saviours.<br>5.  Mass produce the vaccine, and sell it to anyone who wants it.<br>6.  Profit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They would have made sure they had a vaccine ready before they released the virus.1 .
Create virus.2 .
Create vaccine.3 .
Release virus , and then generate as much fear and hysteria about said virus as possible , using organisations like the WHO to beat the drum for you , despite the fact that the mortality rate of said virus amounts to statistical line noise.4 .
Some months after the release of the virus , when a few people have died , and the " health authorities , " have managed to stir public hysteria up to a fever pitch , announce that you have a vaccine for the virus , and enjoy being hailed as heroes and public saviours.5 .
Mass produce the vaccine , and sell it to anyone who wants it.6 .
Profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They would have made sure they had a vaccine ready before they released the virus.1.
Create virus.2.
Create vaccine.3.
Release virus, and then generate as much fear and hysteria about said virus as possible, using organisations like the WHO to beat the drum for you, despite the fact that the mortality rate of said virus amounts to statistical line noise.4.
Some months after the release of the virus, when a few people have died, and the "health authorities," have managed to stir public hysteria up to a fever pitch, announce that you have a vaccine for the virus, and enjoy being hailed as heroes and public saviours.5.
Mass produce the vaccine, and sell it to anyone who wants it.6.
Profit.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244991900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funnily enough even that figure is skewed.</p><p>I was looking at the details about Swine flu the other day, regarding death tolls and that sort of thing.</p><p>Apparently seasonal flu mortality rate is 0.1\%, some places said 0.5\% but this seems to only be in less trustworthy sources like the general media vs. medical journals and scientific articles etc. which suggest 0.1\%.</p><p>Now, worldwide the swine flu mortality rate is 0.47\% last time I calculated it (I don't have the numbers to hand now) which is to be fair, at least 4 times higher than that of seasonal flu.</p><p>However, if you examine the situation in Mexico where as of 5th June 97 of the 117 confirmed deaths had occured you'll notice that it's an anomally. The amount of deaths in Mexico is vastly higher in the rest of the world, despite there now being many more cases outside of Mexico than there are in. Why this is could be any number of reasons - poor healthcare, first place hit so they didn't know how to deal with it, lower quality of life in Mexico city and hence people less healthy - who knows, it could be anything. The point is though, that Mexico IS an anomally.</p><p>If you factor Mexico out of the equation (both death rates and infection rates) the mortality rate of Swine flu is drastically lower and really is no worse than that of seasonal flu from a percentage standpoint. In fact, outside of the Americas, despite thousands of cases, no one has died at all.</p><p>But of course, mortality rate as a percentage isn't the full story. There seem to be two other factors suggesting Swine flu is a problem, these are:</p><p>1) The possibility of it mutating to become worse</p><p>2) It's more contagious, so even though the mortality rate as a percentage is lower, more people die because more people get infected</p><p>As for point 1) I really am not going to worry about this, I don't like to worry about something that is merely speculation, plan for it and account for the possibility? yes, worry about it? No. Is there even any evidence it's more likely to become worse than a particular strain seasonal flu? Point 2 is the real issue, because although it's no more lethal, more people are going to die because of the contagious nature of it, that said even this might not be the case, I don't know how contagious seasonal flu is in comparison.</p><p>With Margaret Chan the director of the WHO coming out with such gems as "After all it really is all of humanity that is under threat during a pandemic." I've lost a lot of respect for them. Swine flu is undoubtedly a problem but I get the impression the WHO is loving this situation because it's a chance for them to get their names in the news but it's not even the first time - look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect then, how a bird flu pandemic was inevitable etc. within just a few months at the time, remind me, how did that turn out again?</p><p>I'm more concerned that we've got a case of the boy who cried wolf, even this time round swine flu reporting seems to be less prominent than the H5N1 bird flu was at the time so I wonder if even media outlets have already decided to treat what the WHO say with a bit more scepticism.</p><p>If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worse and is vastly more contagious but personally, I'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion. When there's any evidence to suggest we're closer to any of these I'll start worrying or even caring a bit more. Until then, I'll continue living life as always, washing my hands before I eat, after I sneeze and so on as I always have anyway because it's simply good practice if you want to avoid being ill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funnily enough even that figure is skewed.I was looking at the details about Swine flu the other day , regarding death tolls and that sort of thing.Apparently seasonal flu mortality rate is 0.1 \ % , some places said 0.5 \ % but this seems to only be in less trustworthy sources like the general media vs. medical journals and scientific articles etc .
which suggest 0.1 \ % .Now , worldwide the swine flu mortality rate is 0.47 \ % last time I calculated it ( I do n't have the numbers to hand now ) which is to be fair , at least 4 times higher than that of seasonal flu.However , if you examine the situation in Mexico where as of 5th June 97 of the 117 confirmed deaths had occured you 'll notice that it 's an anomally .
The amount of deaths in Mexico is vastly higher in the rest of the world , despite there now being many more cases outside of Mexico than there are in .
Why this is could be any number of reasons - poor healthcare , first place hit so they did n't know how to deal with it , lower quality of life in Mexico city and hence people less healthy - who knows , it could be anything .
The point is though , that Mexico IS an anomally.If you factor Mexico out of the equation ( both death rates and infection rates ) the mortality rate of Swine flu is drastically lower and really is no worse than that of seasonal flu from a percentage standpoint .
In fact , outside of the Americas , despite thousands of cases , no one has died at all.But of course , mortality rate as a percentage is n't the full story .
There seem to be two other factors suggesting Swine flu is a problem , these are : 1 ) The possibility of it mutating to become worse2 ) It 's more contagious , so even though the mortality rate as a percentage is lower , more people die because more people get infectedAs for point 1 ) I really am not going to worry about this , I do n't like to worry about something that is merely speculation , plan for it and account for the possibility ?
yes , worry about it ?
No. Is there even any evidence it 's more likely to become worse than a particular strain seasonal flu ?
Point 2 is the real issue , because although it 's no more lethal , more people are going to die because of the contagious nature of it , that said even this might not be the case , I do n't know how contagious seasonal flu is in comparison.With Margaret Chan the director of the WHO coming out with such gems as " After all it really is all of humanity that is under threat during a pandemic .
" I 've lost a lot of respect for them .
Swine flu is undoubtedly a problem but I get the impression the WHO is loving this situation because it 's a chance for them to get their names in the news but it 's not even the first time - look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect then , how a bird flu pandemic was inevitable etc .
within just a few months at the time , remind me , how did that turn out again ? I 'm more concerned that we 've got a case of the boy who cried wolf , even this time round swine flu reporting seems to be less prominent than the H5N1 bird flu was at the time so I wonder if even media outlets have already decided to treat what the WHO say with a bit more scepticism.If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there 's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worse and is vastly more contagious but personally , I 'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion .
When there 's any evidence to suggest we 're closer to any of these I 'll start worrying or even caring a bit more .
Until then , I 'll continue living life as always , washing my hands before I eat , after I sneeze and so on as I always have anyway because it 's simply good practice if you want to avoid being ill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funnily enough even that figure is skewed.I was looking at the details about Swine flu the other day, regarding death tolls and that sort of thing.Apparently seasonal flu mortality rate is 0.1\%, some places said 0.5\% but this seems to only be in less trustworthy sources like the general media vs. medical journals and scientific articles etc.
which suggest 0.1\%.Now, worldwide the swine flu mortality rate is 0.47\% last time I calculated it (I don't have the numbers to hand now) which is to be fair, at least 4 times higher than that of seasonal flu.However, if you examine the situation in Mexico where as of 5th June 97 of the 117 confirmed deaths had occured you'll notice that it's an anomally.
The amount of deaths in Mexico is vastly higher in the rest of the world, despite there now being many more cases outside of Mexico than there are in.
Why this is could be any number of reasons - poor healthcare, first place hit so they didn't know how to deal with it, lower quality of life in Mexico city and hence people less healthy - who knows, it could be anything.
The point is though, that Mexico IS an anomally.If you factor Mexico out of the equation (both death rates and infection rates) the mortality rate of Swine flu is drastically lower and really is no worse than that of seasonal flu from a percentage standpoint.
In fact, outside of the Americas, despite thousands of cases, no one has died at all.But of course, mortality rate as a percentage isn't the full story.
There seem to be two other factors suggesting Swine flu is a problem, these are:1) The possibility of it mutating to become worse2) It's more contagious, so even though the mortality rate as a percentage is lower, more people die because more people get infectedAs for point 1) I really am not going to worry about this, I don't like to worry about something that is merely speculation, plan for it and account for the possibility?
yes, worry about it?
No. Is there even any evidence it's more likely to become worse than a particular strain seasonal flu?
Point 2 is the real issue, because although it's no more lethal, more people are going to die because of the contagious nature of it, that said even this might not be the case, I don't know how contagious seasonal flu is in comparison.With Margaret Chan the director of the WHO coming out with such gems as "After all it really is all of humanity that is under threat during a pandemic.
" I've lost a lot of respect for them.
Swine flu is undoubtedly a problem but I get the impression the WHO is loving this situation because it's a chance for them to get their names in the news but it's not even the first time - look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect then, how a bird flu pandemic was inevitable etc.
within just a few months at the time, remind me, how did that turn out again?I'm more concerned that we've got a case of the boy who cried wolf, even this time round swine flu reporting seems to be less prominent than the H5N1 bird flu was at the time so I wonder if even media outlets have already decided to treat what the WHO say with a bit more scepticism.If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worse and is vastly more contagious but personally, I'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion.
When there's any evidence to suggest we're closer to any of these I'll start worrying or even caring a bit more.
Until then, I'll continue living life as always, washing my hands before I eat, after I sneeze and so on as I always have anyway because it's simply good practice if you want to avoid being ill.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326545</id>
	<title>Re:Quite frankly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244994720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>with all the hype surrounding this, one might be tempted to start considering the possibility that some big pharma in search of the next blockbuster could have designed the virus, the vaccine, the initial test release in a remote village and subsequent dispersal in airports, and the fud campaign together.</p></div><p>Not feasible. Although it has been a popular theme in both Sci-fi and conspiracy theories, technology is still not advanced enough to design a virus. It is unthinkable that a laboratory would have advanced this far ahead of the rest of the scientific community in complete isolation and without ever publishing or filing for patents.</p><p>It will almost certainly be possible one day, but not any time soon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>with all the hype surrounding this , one might be tempted to start considering the possibility that some big pharma in search of the next blockbuster could have designed the virus , the vaccine , the initial test release in a remote village and subsequent dispersal in airports , and the fud campaign together.Not feasible .
Although it has been a popular theme in both Sci-fi and conspiracy theories , technology is still not advanced enough to design a virus .
It is unthinkable that a laboratory would have advanced this far ahead of the rest of the scientific community in complete isolation and without ever publishing or filing for patents.It will almost certainly be possible one day , but not any time soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with all the hype surrounding this, one might be tempted to start considering the possibility that some big pharma in search of the next blockbuster could have designed the virus, the vaccine, the initial test release in a remote village and subsequent dispersal in airports, and the fud campaign together.Not feasible.
Although it has been a popular theme in both Sci-fi and conspiracy theories, technology is still not advanced enough to design a virus.
It is unthinkable that a laboratory would have advanced this far ahead of the rest of the scientific community in complete isolation and without ever publishing or filing for patents.It will almost certainly be possible one day, but not any time soon.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28333341</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>jujun</author>
	<datestamp>1245065400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"...the media keeping us scared silly, the gov keeping us largely uneducated,..."

and obviously they were pretty successful.

Saying "Pandemics are indiscriminate" is  ignorant beyond words. Ever wondered why it is Mexico were most people are dying and not the US? The rich or privileged will always have best possible treatments and care available when people in third world countries will suffer the most, as there will be no surveillance or vaccines to stop the epidemic.

Anyways, how is it that the "reason" behind pandemics is to cull the population when most viruses that actually kill humans are not "meant" to infect humans as their primary host?

We are biological organisms and as biological organisms we try our best to survive. I bet cows would develop a cure for BSE if they could.
"I refuse to have any shots or other treatments until I am actually "sick"."
"Besides we could probably use a good culling or two."
Just to show the connection and wishing you good luck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...the media keeping us scared silly , the gov keeping us largely uneducated,... " and obviously they were pretty successful .
Saying " Pandemics are indiscriminate " is ignorant beyond words .
Ever wondered why it is Mexico were most people are dying and not the US ?
The rich or privileged will always have best possible treatments and care available when people in third world countries will suffer the most , as there will be no surveillance or vaccines to stop the epidemic .
Anyways , how is it that the " reason " behind pandemics is to cull the population when most viruses that actually kill humans are not " meant " to infect humans as their primary host ?
We are biological organisms and as biological organisms we try our best to survive .
I bet cows would develop a cure for BSE if they could .
" I refuse to have any shots or other treatments until I am actually " sick " .
" " Besides we could probably use a good culling or two .
" Just to show the connection and wishing you good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...the media keeping us scared silly, the gov keeping us largely uneducated,..."

and obviously they were pretty successful.
Saying "Pandemics are indiscriminate" is  ignorant beyond words.
Ever wondered why it is Mexico were most people are dying and not the US?
The rich or privileged will always have best possible treatments and care available when people in third world countries will suffer the most, as there will be no surveillance or vaccines to stop the epidemic.
Anyways, how is it that the "reason" behind pandemics is to cull the population when most viruses that actually kill humans are not "meant" to infect humans as their primary host?
We are biological organisms and as biological organisms we try our best to survive.
I bet cows would develop a cure for BSE if they could.
"I refuse to have any shots or other treatments until I am actually "sick".
"
"Besides we could probably use a good culling or two.
"
Just to show the connection and wishing you good luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28332461</id>
	<title>Re:Why Why Why?!</title>
	<author>Antarius</author>
	<datestamp>1245008580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But if you're allergic to Penicillin, avoid it like... Well, H1N1!<br>
<br>
My father now suffers from an auto-immune condition that nearly killed him last year (when his kidneys and lungs started to fail) after taking that shit for a prolonged time.<br>
<br>
<br>
Natural != Safe. <br>
<br>
Don't believe me? Go mung on a heap of white willow bark for a few months...</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you 're allergic to Penicillin , avoid it like... Well , H1N1 !
My father now suffers from an auto-immune condition that nearly killed him last year ( when his kidneys and lungs started to fail ) after taking that shit for a prolonged time .
Natural ! = Safe .
Do n't believe me ?
Go mung on a heap of white willow bark for a few months.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you're allergic to Penicillin, avoid it like... Well, H1N1!
My father now suffers from an auto-immune condition that nearly killed him last year (when his kidneys and lungs started to fail) after taking that shit for a prolonged time.
Natural != Safe.
Don't believe me?
Go mung on a heap of white willow bark for a few months...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326313</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244991780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The current H1N1 "Swine Flu" strain, even though may have milder symptoms to the regular yearly Influenza virus, no one has natural immunity to.  Since no one has natural immunity it is able to spread rapidly.  It should be noted that people can die from the regular yearly Influenza virus, it's just that we always have an up to date vaccine for the yearly virus, and our bodies usually have an up to date antibody for the virus too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The current H1N1 " Swine Flu " strain , even though may have milder symptoms to the regular yearly Influenza virus , no one has natural immunity to .
Since no one has natural immunity it is able to spread rapidly .
It should be noted that people can die from the regular yearly Influenza virus , it 's just that we always have an up to date vaccine for the yearly virus , and our bodies usually have an up to date antibody for the virus too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current H1N1 "Swine Flu" strain, even though may have milder symptoms to the regular yearly Influenza virus, no one has natural immunity to.
Since no one has natural immunity it is able to spread rapidly.
It should be noted that people can die from the regular yearly Influenza virus, it's just that we always have an up to date vaccine for the yearly virus, and our bodies usually have an up to date antibody for the virus too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326957</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>ILuvRamen</author>
	<datestamp>1244999460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1 because CNN is retarded and 2 because nobody is already immune to it so anyone could catch it.  Yeah, I know, that's a stupid reason to fear monger but they don't even need a reason at all so this is good for them.  But in the meantime, I've got an idea how to vaccinate yourself.  If you're in remotely good health, just catch it on purpose, stay home for about 3-5 days, get better, and tada, you've got much more T-cells against it than any vaccine will give you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 because CNN is retarded and 2 because nobody is already immune to it so anyone could catch it .
Yeah , I know , that 's a stupid reason to fear monger but they do n't even need a reason at all so this is good for them .
But in the meantime , I 've got an idea how to vaccinate yourself .
If you 're in remotely good health , just catch it on purpose , stay home for about 3-5 days , get better , and tada , you 've got much more T-cells against it than any vaccine will give you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 because CNN is retarded and 2 because nobody is already immune to it so anyone could catch it.
Yeah, I know, that's a stupid reason to fear monger but they don't even need a reason at all so this is good for them.
But in the meantime, I've got an idea how to vaccinate yourself.
If you're in remotely good health, just catch it on purpose, stay home for about 3-5 days, get better, and tada, you've got much more T-cells against it than any vaccine will give you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28331373</id>
	<title>Biology as technology</title>
	<author>dokebi</author>
	<datestamp>1244995620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading the comments so far makes me sad because:<br>1. Most people are clueless about how much biology we know.<br>2. Most people don't appreciate how effectively we can use that knowledge for our own good.</p><p>Thanks to modern DNA sequencing, we were able to sequence the entire virus in a few days. Because scientists have sequenced thousands of other viruses, they were able to compare it and come up with its composition. With the DNA sequence, scientists were able to reproduce the protein coating which allows them to make an effective vaccine in a few months.</p><p>When the next iteration of the virus comes, we'll be able to repeat the above literally in a few weeks. As far as I can tell, the era of pandemic viruses are over.</p><p>Watching slashdotters talk about this subject is almost like watching car mechanics talk about computers--mostly clueless. And some of you even believe in *creation*. How would you feel about car mechanics making IT policy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the comments so far makes me sad because : 1 .
Most people are clueless about how much biology we know.2 .
Most people do n't appreciate how effectively we can use that knowledge for our own good.Thanks to modern DNA sequencing , we were able to sequence the entire virus in a few days .
Because scientists have sequenced thousands of other viruses , they were able to compare it and come up with its composition .
With the DNA sequence , scientists were able to reproduce the protein coating which allows them to make an effective vaccine in a few months.When the next iteration of the virus comes , we 'll be able to repeat the above literally in a few weeks .
As far as I can tell , the era of pandemic viruses are over.Watching slashdotters talk about this subject is almost like watching car mechanics talk about computers--mostly clueless .
And some of you even believe in * creation * .
How would you feel about car mechanics making IT policy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the comments so far makes me sad because:1.
Most people are clueless about how much biology we know.2.
Most people don't appreciate how effectively we can use that knowledge for our own good.Thanks to modern DNA sequencing, we were able to sequence the entire virus in a few days.
Because scientists have sequenced thousands of other viruses, they were able to compare it and come up with its composition.
With the DNA sequence, scientists were able to reproduce the protein coating which allows them to make an effective vaccine in a few months.When the next iteration of the virus comes, we'll be able to repeat the above literally in a few weeks.
As far as I can tell, the era of pandemic viruses are over.Watching slashdotters talk about this subject is almost like watching car mechanics talk about computers--mostly clueless.
And some of you even believe in *creation*.
How would you feel about car mechanics making IT policy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28333683</id>
	<title>FYI</title>
	<author>pjt33</author>
	<datestamp>1245070260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't affect your main point about mortality rate, but this statement:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In fact, outside of the Americas, despite thousands of cases, no one has died at all.</p></div><p>ceased to be accurate on the day you posted it with the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk\_news/scotland/glasgow\_and\_west/8100590.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">death of a Scottish lady</a> [bbc.co.uk].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't affect your main point about mortality rate , but this statement : In fact , outside of the Americas , despite thousands of cases , no one has died at all.ceased to be accurate on the day you posted it with the death of a Scottish lady [ bbc.co.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't affect your main point about mortality rate, but this statement:In fact, outside of the Americas, despite thousands of cases, no one has died at all.ceased to be accurate on the day you posted it with the death of a Scottish lady [bbc.co.uk].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326249</id>
	<title>Innoculatation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244991240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been inoculating myself by eating pork all the time: pork chops, spare ribs, barbecue, lots of Thai food with pork, etc...</p><p>Been doing great so far!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been inoculating myself by eating pork all the time : pork chops , spare ribs , barbecue , lots of Thai food with pork , etc...Been doing great so far !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been inoculating myself by eating pork all the time: pork chops, spare ribs, barbecue, lots of Thai food with pork, etc...Been doing great so far!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327359</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245003000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I refuse to have any shots or other treatments until I am actually "sick". If I am a carrier, sorry dude, you might die but I doubt I will. The reason "pandemics" usually occur is due to OVER-POPULATION. Once people start figuring out that having millions and millions of little petrie-dishes concentrated tightly enough for a virus to play mutation-hop-scotch in, the better off we will be. We are biological organisms, and as such the same rules that apply to other populations of biological organisms apply to us!!!
<br>
<br>
Besides we could probably use a good culling or two. Between pandemic and war, I will choose pandemic 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. Pandemics are indiscriminate and take down rich, poor, black, brown, yellow, red, white, gay, straight, Jew, Gentile, Atheist, young and old. Wars tend to take out those fighting them and some collateral damage.,,,never those rich or privileged enough to escape them.
<br>
<br>
-Oz</htmltext>
<tokenext>I refuse to have any shots or other treatments until I am actually " sick " .
If I am a carrier , sorry dude , you might die but I doubt I will .
The reason " pandemics " usually occur is due to OVER-POPULATION .
Once people start figuring out that having millions and millions of little petrie-dishes concentrated tightly enough for a virus to play mutation-hop-scotch in , the better off we will be .
We are biological organisms , and as such the same rules that apply to other populations of biological organisms apply to us ! ! !
Besides we could probably use a good culling or two .
Between pandemic and war , I will choose pandemic 7 days a week and twice on Sunday .
Pandemics are indiscriminate and take down rich , poor , black , brown , yellow , red , white , gay , straight , Jew , Gentile , Atheist , young and old .
Wars tend to take out those fighting them and some collateral damage.,,,never those rich or privileged enough to escape them .
-Oz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I refuse to have any shots or other treatments until I am actually "sick".
If I am a carrier, sorry dude, you might die but I doubt I will.
The reason "pandemics" usually occur is due to OVER-POPULATION.
Once people start figuring out that having millions and millions of little petrie-dishes concentrated tightly enough for a virus to play mutation-hop-scotch in, the better off we will be.
We are biological organisms, and as such the same rules that apply to other populations of biological organisms apply to us!!!
Besides we could probably use a good culling or two.
Between pandemic and war, I will choose pandemic 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.
Pandemics are indiscriminate and take down rich, poor, black, brown, yellow, red, white, gay, straight, Jew, Gentile, Atheist, young and old.
Wars tend to take out those fighting them and some collateral damage.,,,never those rich or privileged enough to escape them.
-Oz</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326283</id>
	<title>Why Why Why?!</title>
	<author>XPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1244991480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People get the flu EVERY SINGLE YEAR, H1N1 is no different. The WHO and the media make a big deal about this because the drug companies asked for their bailout too. It's quite simple; make the world panic (H1N1 being a pandemic is blasphemous) and everyone asks the pharmacudical companies to start pumping out drugs and the cash starts rolling in.  I mean, look how much Novartis's stock has gone up <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NVS" title="yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NVS</a> [yahoo.com]. Don't feed the pig, please.</p><p>If you want something to panic about, panic about the millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People get the flu EVERY SINGLE YEAR , H1N1 is no different .
The WHO and the media make a big deal about this because the drug companies asked for their bailout too .
It 's quite simple ; make the world panic ( H1N1 being a pandemic is blasphemous ) and everyone asks the pharmacudical companies to start pumping out drugs and the cash starts rolling in .
I mean , look how much Novartis 's stock has gone up http : //finance.yahoo.com/q ? s = NVS [ yahoo.com ] .
Do n't feed the pig , please.If you want something to panic about , panic about the millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People get the flu EVERY SINGLE YEAR, H1N1 is no different.
The WHO and the media make a big deal about this because the drug companies asked for their bailout too.
It's quite simple; make the world panic (H1N1 being a pandemic is blasphemous) and everyone asks the pharmacudical companies to start pumping out drugs and the cash starts rolling in.
I mean, look how much Novartis's stock has gone up http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NVS [yahoo.com].
Don't feed the pig, please.If you want something to panic about, panic about the millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326541</id>
	<title>Role of Vaccines vs Anti-Flu Drugs</title>
	<author>betasam</author>
	<datestamp>1244994720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Using the new In-Cell growing technique many companies seem to be coming up with vaccines in a shorter period than earlier. Medicinenet has an <a href="http://www.medicinenet.com/flu\_vaccination/article.htm" title="medicinenet.com">informative article</a> [medicinenet.com] on Flu Vaccines and immunization candidates, and goes on to say why they are required. This is a good read to understand why vaccination is being given importance here. The 1918 "Spanish" Flu epidemic Virus which is very similar to the recent outbreak was <a href="http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/oct0505studies.html" title="umn.edu">re-created in a laboratory in 2005</a> [umn.edu] by Dr. Jeffery Taubenberger and colleagues at AFIP. Comparison with Avian flu strains led to the conclusion that Human Flu Virus strains are derived from Avian flu virii.
<br> <br>
Among young people and children Flu vaccines claim to be 70\%-90\% effective, while this drops down to 30\%-40\% in people aged over 65 who may have other secondary complications. Hence the scale of vaccination required for the present outbreak (which has been repeatedly noted for not being as lethal as the 1918 Flu strain) may be entirely different covering only those in a risk category. More stress is on drugs that help in combating the Virus in an infected individual. These are usually amino-acid chain suppressors like Tamiflu. There has already been <a href="http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/science\_technology/Roche\_donates\_5\_65\_million\_packs\_of\_Tamiflu.html?siteSect=514&amp;sid=10686199&amp;cKey=1242113360000&amp;ty=nd" title="swissinfo.ch">mobilization and distribution</a> [swissinfo.ch] of the drugs to combat such an outbreak. The WHO has done a <a href="http://english.sina.com/life/2009/0603/245708.html" title="sina.com">recent donation of drugs</a> [sina.com] to Nigeria. This is however related to continued support of a H5N1 outbreak since 2006.
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The role and importance of the Vaccines that would be available is not yet certain. It seems that the stress is more on treatment. Insofar stress on prevention without the involvement of Primary Medical care personnel. Only those who suspect infection have been requested to visit quarantine or medical facilities for treatment. The W.H.O's present stand with the Flu Virus has been a direct result of <a href="http://english.sina.com/life/2009/0603/245708.html" title="sina.com">criticism during the second widespread Avian flu H5N1 attack incidents</a> [sina.com] in 2006. Attention is being given to Avian Influenza as a pandemic because it leads to complications and secondaries making it difficult to fight other diseases with stronger morbidity.

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No Greater Friend, No Greater Enemy! (Lucius Cornelius Sulla)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Using the new In-Cell growing technique many companies seem to be coming up with vaccines in a shorter period than earlier .
Medicinenet has an informative article [ medicinenet.com ] on Flu Vaccines and immunization candidates , and goes on to say why they are required .
This is a good read to understand why vaccination is being given importance here .
The 1918 " Spanish " Flu epidemic Virus which is very similar to the recent outbreak was re-created in a laboratory in 2005 [ umn.edu ] by Dr. Jeffery Taubenberger and colleagues at AFIP .
Comparison with Avian flu strains led to the conclusion that Human Flu Virus strains are derived from Avian flu virii .
Among young people and children Flu vaccines claim to be 70 \ % -90 \ % effective , while this drops down to 30 \ % -40 \ % in people aged over 65 who may have other secondary complications .
Hence the scale of vaccination required for the present outbreak ( which has been repeatedly noted for not being as lethal as the 1918 Flu strain ) may be entirely different covering only those in a risk category .
More stress is on drugs that help in combating the Virus in an infected individual .
These are usually amino-acid chain suppressors like Tamiflu .
There has already been mobilization and distribution [ swissinfo.ch ] of the drugs to combat such an outbreak .
The WHO has done a recent donation of drugs [ sina.com ] to Nigeria .
This is however related to continued support of a H5N1 outbreak since 2006 .
The role and importance of the Vaccines that would be available is not yet certain .
It seems that the stress is more on treatment .
Insofar stress on prevention without the involvement of Primary Medical care personnel .
Only those who suspect infection have been requested to visit quarantine or medical facilities for treatment .
The W.H.O 's present stand with the Flu Virus has been a direct result of criticism during the second widespread Avian flu H5N1 attack incidents [ sina.com ] in 2006 .
Attention is being given to Avian Influenza as a pandemic because it leads to complications and secondaries making it difficult to fight other diseases with stronger morbidity .
-- No Greater Friend , No Greater Enemy !
( Lucius Cornelius Sulla )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using the new In-Cell growing technique many companies seem to be coming up with vaccines in a shorter period than earlier.
Medicinenet has an informative article [medicinenet.com] on Flu Vaccines and immunization candidates, and goes on to say why they are required.
This is a good read to understand why vaccination is being given importance here.
The 1918 "Spanish" Flu epidemic Virus which is very similar to the recent outbreak was re-created in a laboratory in 2005 [umn.edu] by Dr. Jeffery Taubenberger and colleagues at AFIP.
Comparison with Avian flu strains led to the conclusion that Human Flu Virus strains are derived from Avian flu virii.
Among young people and children Flu vaccines claim to be 70\%-90\% effective, while this drops down to 30\%-40\% in people aged over 65 who may have other secondary complications.
Hence the scale of vaccination required for the present outbreak (which has been repeatedly noted for not being as lethal as the 1918 Flu strain) may be entirely different covering only those in a risk category.
More stress is on drugs that help in combating the Virus in an infected individual.
These are usually amino-acid chain suppressors like Tamiflu.
There has already been mobilization and distribution [swissinfo.ch] of the drugs to combat such an outbreak.
The WHO has done a recent donation of drugs [sina.com] to Nigeria.
This is however related to continued support of a H5N1 outbreak since 2006.
The role and importance of the Vaccines that would be available is not yet certain.
It seems that the stress is more on treatment.
Insofar stress on prevention without the involvement of Primary Medical care personnel.
Only those who suspect infection have been requested to visit quarantine or medical facilities for treatment.
The W.H.O's present stand with the Flu Virus has been a direct result of criticism during the second widespread Avian flu H5N1 attack incidents [sina.com] in 2006.
Attention is being given to Avian Influenza as a pandemic because it leads to complications and secondaries making it difficult to fight other diseases with stronger morbidity.
--
No Greater Friend, No Greater Enemy!
(Lucius Cornelius Sulla)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326759</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>icegreentea</author>
	<datestamp>1244997540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it was cause the virus initially killed an abnormally high amount of young adults (the strongest immune systems). It led to speculation that H1N1 killed via cytokine storms (like the Spanish Flu is thought to have), but we haven't quite gotten around to proving that. Also, in the earlier stages, there was this conflict between the official story, and all the stuff we were hearing from the ground. Mexican doctors and nurses saying that infection rate was like 4 times higher or something.<br><br>We basically talked a lot about it, and blew it all out of proportions. Now, regardless... there's still a chance of this blowing in our faces when fall/winter rolls around (same thing happened with Spanish Flu). So... it's not time to start laughing at this thing and calling it all a joke. It's certainly time to seriously question what our media is doing. But... well. Shooting the messenger won't make problems go away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it was cause the virus initially killed an abnormally high amount of young adults ( the strongest immune systems ) .
It led to speculation that H1N1 killed via cytokine storms ( like the Spanish Flu is thought to have ) , but we have n't quite gotten around to proving that .
Also , in the earlier stages , there was this conflict between the official story , and all the stuff we were hearing from the ground .
Mexican doctors and nurses saying that infection rate was like 4 times higher or something.We basically talked a lot about it , and blew it all out of proportions .
Now , regardless... there 's still a chance of this blowing in our faces when fall/winter rolls around ( same thing happened with Spanish Flu ) .
So... it 's not time to start laughing at this thing and calling it all a joke .
It 's certainly time to seriously question what our media is doing .
But... well .
Shooting the messenger wo n't make problems go away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it was cause the virus initially killed an abnormally high amount of young adults (the strongest immune systems).
It led to speculation that H1N1 killed via cytokine storms (like the Spanish Flu is thought to have), but we haven't quite gotten around to proving that.
Also, in the earlier stages, there was this conflict between the official story, and all the stuff we were hearing from the ground.
Mexican doctors and nurses saying that infection rate was like 4 times higher or something.We basically talked a lot about it, and blew it all out of proportions.
Now, regardless... there's still a chance of this blowing in our faces when fall/winter rolls around (same thing happened with Spanish Flu).
So... it's not time to start laughing at this thing and calling it all a joke.
It's certainly time to seriously question what our media is doing.
But... well.
Shooting the messenger won't make problems go away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326367</id>
	<title>Re:Why Why Why?!</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1244992380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because the pharmaceutical industry can scare everybody into paying them billions of dollars. Yes, billions.
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God, it's so nice to find someone else who doesn't buy into the bullshit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the pharmaceutical industry can scare everybody into paying them billions of dollars .
Yes , billions .
God , it 's so nice to find someone else who does n't buy into the bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the pharmaceutical industry can scare everybody into paying them billions of dollars.
Yes, billions.
God, it's so nice to find someone else who doesn't buy into the bullshit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28329113</id>
	<title>Re:Why Why Why?!</title>
	<author>True Grit</author>
	<datestamp>1244973120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whoops, can't patent that.</p></div><p>The poor countries who need this "cure" the most aren't interested in patents.  If it actually worked they'd use it and ignore any patent claims, just as Africa used generics for AIDS drugs instead of paying the higher costs demanded by the drug companies.</p><p>No, I suspect the reason this is only listed on herbal sites as a remedy and not mentioned on any medical sites is that like much folklore, its often repeated... and still wrong.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Whoops , ca n't patent that.The poor countries who need this " cure " the most are n't interested in patents .
If it actually worked they 'd use it and ignore any patent claims , just as Africa used generics for AIDS drugs instead of paying the higher costs demanded by the drug companies.No , I suspect the reason this is only listed on herbal sites as a remedy and not mentioned on any medical sites is that like much folklore , its often repeated... and still wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoops, can't patent that.The poor countries who need this "cure" the most aren't interested in patents.
If it actually worked they'd use it and ignore any patent claims, just as Africa used generics for AIDS drugs instead of paying the higher costs demanded by the drug companies.No, I suspect the reason this is only listed on herbal sites as a remedy and not mentioned on any medical sites is that like much folklore, its often repeated... and still wrong.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326557</id>
	<title>Mandatory vaccinations....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244994960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>roll your sleeves up..it's a coming.</htmltext>
<tokenext>roll your sleeves up..it 's a coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>roll your sleeves up..it's a coming.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327719</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1245006660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But that's still 1.2 Million deaths in the US and 24 Million deaths world wide, at 0.4\%.  Are you prepared to deal with 1 in 200 people around you dying?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But that 's still 1.2 Million deaths in the US and 24 Million deaths world wide , at 0.4 \ % .
Are you prepared to deal with 1 in 200 people around you dying ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that's still 1.2 Million deaths in the US and 24 Million deaths world wide, at 0.4\%.
Are you prepared to deal with 1 in 200 people around you dying?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326931</id>
	<title>Re:Pandemic?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244999220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a pandemic until there's a vaccine that someone can make some money with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a pandemic until there 's a vaccine that someone can make some money with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a pandemic until there's a vaccine that someone can make some money with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326113</id>
	<title>The only problem now is quantum and distribution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244989620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, they've made a vaccine, but in what quanta? As far as I know, vaccines are made in chicken eggs, and takes some time to produce. Will they be able to supply a proportion of the world with this vaccine in time? And more important, who'll get it. I bet the rich countries, with medical care will get it, since they can pay. But do they need it most? After all, countries in Europe and North America typically has a functioning health care system that can treat symptoms quite much better than most African countries...</p><p>So sadly, I don't think it'll really matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , they 've made a vaccine , but in what quanta ?
As far as I know , vaccines are made in chicken eggs , and takes some time to produce .
Will they be able to supply a proportion of the world with this vaccine in time ?
And more important , who 'll get it .
I bet the rich countries , with medical care will get it , since they can pay .
But do they need it most ?
After all , countries in Europe and North America typically has a functioning health care system that can treat symptoms quite much better than most African countries...So sadly , I do n't think it 'll really matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, they've made a vaccine, but in what quanta?
As far as I know, vaccines are made in chicken eggs, and takes some time to produce.
Will they be able to supply a proportion of the world with this vaccine in time?
And more important, who'll get it.
I bet the rich countries, with medical care will get it, since they can pay.
But do they need it most?
After all, countries in Europe and North America typically has a functioning health care system that can treat symptoms quite much better than most African countries...So sadly, I don't think it'll really matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327025</id>
	<title>Re:Why Why Why?!</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244999940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria.</p></div><p>Please define what you mean by "easily treatable". Malaria has no silver bullet</p></div><p>Pssssst <em> <a href="http://curezone.com/foods/oliveleaf.asp" title="curezone.com">Olive Leaf Extract</a> [curezone.com] </em> </p><p>Whoops, can't patent that. People have been using it for thousands of years. You think Indians raised a lot of flak when attempts were made to patent Neem? Just see what happens with Italians when you try to patent olive trees. P.S. The anti-malaria drugs you can take to not get it in the first place tend to give you <em>homicidal dreams</em>. Not a joke. Some people report dreams of committing general violence including rape and torture, not only specifically murder. Scared of that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria.Please define what you mean by " easily treatable " .
Malaria has no silver bulletPssssst Olive Leaf Extract [ curezone.com ] Whoops , ca n't patent that .
People have been using it for thousands of years .
You think Indians raised a lot of flak when attempts were made to patent Neem ?
Just see what happens with Italians when you try to patent olive trees .
P.S. The anti-malaria drugs you can take to not get it in the first place tend to give you homicidal dreams .
Not a joke .
Some people report dreams of committing general violence including rape and torture , not only specifically murder .
Scared of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria.Please define what you mean by "easily treatable".
Malaria has no silver bulletPssssst  Olive Leaf Extract [curezone.com]  Whoops, can't patent that.
People have been using it for thousands of years.
You think Indians raised a lot of flak when attempts were made to patent Neem?
Just see what happens with Italians when you try to patent olive trees.
P.S. The anti-malaria drugs you can take to not get it in the first place tend to give you homicidal dreams.
Not a joke.
Some people report dreams of committing general violence including rape and torture, not only specifically murder.
Scared of that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326577</id>
	<title>Re:Quite frankly</title>
	<author>executivechaos</author>
	<datestamp>1244995200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really don't understand why your post was modded 'flaimbait'...because the chances of the situation to describe being the case are quite high. It amazes me how much 'faith' people have in these bio-engineering and pharmaceutical companies to act only the in interest of the health of humans everywhere...before profit.

For goodness sake...they <i>make money from <b>sickness and disease</b><nobr> <wbr></nobr></i>...why wouldn't they do something like this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't understand why your post was modded 'flaimbait'...because the chances of the situation to describe being the case are quite high .
It amazes me how much 'faith ' people have in these bio-engineering and pharmaceutical companies to act only the in interest of the health of humans everywhere...before profit .
For goodness sake...they make money from sickness and disease ...why would n't they do something like this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't understand why your post was modded 'flaimbait'...because the chances of the situation to describe being the case are quite high.
It amazes me how much 'faith' people have in these bio-engineering and pharmaceutical companies to act only the in interest of the health of humans everywhere...before profit.
For goodness sake...they make money from sickness and disease ...why wouldn't they do something like this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326553</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1244994900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In general I agree with your sentiment that there's been a lot of over-reaction to this whole thing.  A few weeks after the thing first blew up in the news we got more information that this is really "no big deal", but yet there's still remnants in the world of the panic machine going forward.  The following, however I don't agree with:</p><p><i><br>- look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect then, how a bird flu pandemic was inevitable etc. within just a few months at the time, remind me, how did that turn out again?<br></i><br>What I recall is the idiotic media outlets spreading a lot of fear about bird flu.  I recall scientific sources talking about this as a long term problem we need to watch and learn more about because it COULD (but we don't know when, maybe decades) eventually mutate into something that spreads from human to human.<br><i><br>If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worse and is vastly more contagious but personally, I'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion.<br></i><br>Why is it people have to turn to some other equally idiotic extreme?  Global nuclear was and "alien invasion" have never happened except in movies.  Global disease outbreaks including flu that killed millions of people have happened with some regularity for hundreds, if not thousands of years.  In all likelihood this whole thing will turn out to be nothing as H1N1 is unlikely to mutate into something more deadly.  Putting it in the same category as "alien invasion" is just as stupid as all the fear mongering the media outlets love to do.<br><i><br>When there's any evidence to suggest we're closer to any of these I'll start worrying or even caring a bit more.<br></i><br>If we're close to a deadly flu outbreak, it's really already too late.  We need to start developing techniques to get faster vaccines now, not just before it happens.  If this HAD been the real-deal, a several month delay to make the vaccine is just too long.  You don't need to sit around and cower in fear or start wearing face masks that likely do nothing.  You do need to start thinking about how we should be better prepared.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In general I agree with your sentiment that there 's been a lot of over-reaction to this whole thing .
A few weeks after the thing first blew up in the news we got more information that this is really " no big deal " , but yet there 's still remnants in the world of the panic machine going forward .
The following , however I do n't agree with : - look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect then , how a bird flu pandemic was inevitable etc .
within just a few months at the time , remind me , how did that turn out again ? What I recall is the idiotic media outlets spreading a lot of fear about bird flu .
I recall scientific sources talking about this as a long term problem we need to watch and learn more about because it COULD ( but we do n't know when , maybe decades ) eventually mutate into something that spreads from human to human.If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there 's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worse and is vastly more contagious but personally , I 'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion.Why is it people have to turn to some other equally idiotic extreme ?
Global nuclear was and " alien invasion " have never happened except in movies .
Global disease outbreaks including flu that killed millions of people have happened with some regularity for hundreds , if not thousands of years .
In all likelihood this whole thing will turn out to be nothing as H1N1 is unlikely to mutate into something more deadly .
Putting it in the same category as " alien invasion " is just as stupid as all the fear mongering the media outlets love to do.When there 's any evidence to suggest we 're closer to any of these I 'll start worrying or even caring a bit more.If we 're close to a deadly flu outbreak , it 's really already too late .
We need to start developing techniques to get faster vaccines now , not just before it happens .
If this HAD been the real-deal , a several month delay to make the vaccine is just too long .
You do n't need to sit around and cower in fear or start wearing face masks that likely do nothing .
You do need to start thinking about how we should be better prepared .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In general I agree with your sentiment that there's been a lot of over-reaction to this whole thing.
A few weeks after the thing first blew up in the news we got more information that this is really "no big deal", but yet there's still remnants in the world of the panic machine going forward.
The following, however I don't agree with:- look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect then, how a bird flu pandemic was inevitable etc.
within just a few months at the time, remind me, how did that turn out again?What I recall is the idiotic media outlets spreading a lot of fear about bird flu.
I recall scientific sources talking about this as a long term problem we need to watch and learn more about because it COULD (but we don't know when, maybe decades) eventually mutate into something that spreads from human to human.If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worse and is vastly more contagious but personally, I'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion.Why is it people have to turn to some other equally idiotic extreme?
Global nuclear was and "alien invasion" have never happened except in movies.
Global disease outbreaks including flu that killed millions of people have happened with some regularity for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
In all likelihood this whole thing will turn out to be nothing as H1N1 is unlikely to mutate into something more deadly.
Putting it in the same category as "alien invasion" is just as stupid as all the fear mongering the media outlets love to do.When there's any evidence to suggest we're closer to any of these I'll start worrying or even caring a bit more.If we're close to a deadly flu outbreak, it's really already too late.
We need to start developing techniques to get faster vaccines now, not just before it happens.
If this HAD been the real-deal, a several month delay to make the vaccine is just too long.
You don't need to sit around and cower in fear or start wearing face masks that likely do nothing.
You do need to start thinking about how we should be better prepared.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327801</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Cruciform</author>
	<datestamp>1245007440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a pretty good explanation of it on youtube by a fellow who goes by the name <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8pSPfZFysg&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com">Thunderfoot</a> [youtube.com].<br>It could use a bit more detail on zoonotics and how they become easily transmissible in human populations, but its worth showing to those family members and friends who say it's not a threat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a pretty good explanation of it on youtube by a fellow who goes by the name Thunderfoot [ youtube.com ] .It could use a bit more detail on zoonotics and how they become easily transmissible in human populations , but its worth showing to those family members and friends who say it 's not a threat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a pretty good explanation of it on youtube by a fellow who goes by the name Thunderfoot [youtube.com].It could use a bit more detail on zoonotics and how they become easily transmissible in human populations, but its worth showing to those family members and friends who say it's not a threat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28334779</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Muad'Dave</author>
	<datestamp>1245078900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...H1N1 strain linking up the existing H5N1 strains</i></p><p>So that'll give us H6N2, right? Or maybe 5 * H-squared, N-squared? 8-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...H1N1 strain linking up the existing H5N1 strainsSo that 'll give us H6N2 , right ?
Or maybe 5 * H-squared , N-squared ?
8- )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...H1N1 strain linking up the existing H5N1 strainsSo that'll give us H6N2, right?
Or maybe 5 * H-squared, N-squared?
8-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326145</id>
	<title>Baxter bigpharma ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244989920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Virus Vaccine Contamination<br>http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2191<br>http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html</p><p>Trust Baxter, and your govn't, take the vaccine as they force you to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Virus Vaccine Contaminationhttp : //www.healthfreedomusa.org/ ? p = 2191http : //www.naturalnews.com/025760.htmlTrust Baxter , and your gov n't , take the vaccine as they force you to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virus Vaccine Contaminationhttp://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2191http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.htmlTrust Baxter, and your govn't, take the vaccine as they force you to.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326131</id>
	<title>What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244989800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around? Why the panic?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The case fatality rate (CFR) of the pandemic strain is estimated at 0.4\% (range 0.3\%-1.5\%)</p></div><p>We've all had worse diseases than this.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around ?
Why the panic ? The case fatality rate ( CFR ) of the pandemic strain is estimated at 0.4 \ % ( range 0.3 \ % -1.5 \ % ) We 've all had worse diseases than this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around?
Why the panic?The case fatality rate (CFR) of the pandemic strain is estimated at 0.4\% (range 0.3\%-1.5\%)We've all had worse diseases than this.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326907</id>
	<title>anonymous null</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244999040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>perhaps a man made virus?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>perhaps a man made virus ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perhaps a man made virus?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28335563</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245082740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around? Why the panic?</p><p>It's a strain that is new to man - human populations don't have immunity against this particular, novel virus - they are naive.</p><p>Seasonal influenza viruses are strains that have been around for years. They were once pandemic strains, ie novel viruses that spread worldwide and against which human population then developed immunity.</p><p>They now lay around and keep mutating in a constant attempt to avoid (or so it is believed) human immunity in a process called antigenic drift. But people aren't entirely naive to those viruses - as they were when they first appeared and were pandemic influenza viruses; as they are today to the novel h1n1.</p><p>This h1n1 doesn't have the limitation of global resistance in human populations. Even though it's no more deadly than the typical seasonal influenza, the potential is entirely different.</p></div></div>
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<tokenext>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around ?
Why the panic ? It 's a strain that is new to man - human populations do n't have immunity against this particular , novel virus - they are naive.Seasonal influenza viruses are strains that have been around for years .
They were once pandemic strains , ie novel viruses that spread worldwide and against which human population then developed immunity.They now lay around and keep mutating in a constant attempt to avoid ( or so it is believed ) human immunity in a process called antigenic drift .
But people are n't entirely naive to those viruses - as they were when they first appeared and were pandemic influenza viruses ; as they are today to the novel h1n1.This h1n1 does n't have the limitation of global resistance in human populations .
Even though it 's no more deadly than the typical seasonal influenza , the potential is entirely different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around?
Why the panic?It's a strain that is new to man - human populations don't have immunity against this particular, novel virus - they are naive.Seasonal influenza viruses are strains that have been around for years.
They were once pandemic strains, ie novel viruses that spread worldwide and against which human population then developed immunity.They now lay around and keep mutating in a constant attempt to avoid (or so it is believed) human immunity in a process called antigenic drift.
But people aren't entirely naive to those viruses - as they were when they first appeared and were pandemic influenza viruses; as they are today to the novel h1n1.This h1n1 doesn't have the limitation of global resistance in human populations.
Even though it's no more deadly than the typical seasonal influenza, the potential is entirely different.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28337035</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>GermMan</author>
	<datestamp>1245088800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I'll post again - with a newly created account and proper formatting/syntax<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<p><div class="quote"><p>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around? Why the panic?</p></div><p>It's a strain that is new to man - human populations don't have immunity against this particular, novel virus - they are naive from an immunity standpoint.</p><p>Today's seasonal influenza strains have been around for quite some time. They were once pandemic viruses, ie novel viruses that spread worldwide and against which mankind developed immunity.</p><p>They now lay around and keep mutating in a constant attempt to escape (or so it is believed) human immunity, by a process which is called "antigenic drift". Even though people aren't entirely naive to those strains - as people once were, when they first appeared and were pandemic influenza viruses; and as people are, today, to the novel h1n1 strain.</p><p>This h1n1 virus doesn't have the limitation of global resistance in human populations. Even though it's no more deadly in its current incarnation than the typical seasonal influenza, the potential is entirely different.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'll post again - with a newly created account and proper formatting/syntax : ) Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around ?
Why the panic ? It 's a strain that is new to man - human populations do n't have immunity against this particular , novel virus - they are naive from an immunity standpoint.Today 's seasonal influenza strains have been around for quite some time .
They were once pandemic viruses , ie novel viruses that spread worldwide and against which mankind developed immunity.They now lay around and keep mutating in a constant attempt to escape ( or so it is believed ) human immunity , by a process which is called " antigenic drift " .
Even though people are n't entirely naive to those strains - as people once were , when they first appeared and were pandemic influenza viruses ; and as people are , today , to the novel h1n1 strain.This h1n1 virus does n't have the limitation of global resistance in human populations .
Even though it 's no more deadly in its current incarnation than the typical seasonal influenza , the potential is entirely different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll post again - with a newly created account and proper formatting/syntax :)Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around?
Why the panic?It's a strain that is new to man - human populations don't have immunity against this particular, novel virus - they are naive from an immunity standpoint.Today's seasonal influenza strains have been around for quite some time.
They were once pandemic viruses, ie novel viruses that spread worldwide and against which mankind developed immunity.They now lay around and keep mutating in a constant attempt to escape (or so it is believed) human immunity, by a process which is called "antigenic drift".
Even though people aren't entirely naive to those strains - as people once were, when they first appeared and were pandemic influenza viruses; and as people are, today, to the novel h1n1 strain.This h1n1 virus doesn't have the limitation of global resistance in human populations.
Even though it's no more deadly in its current incarnation than the typical seasonal influenza, the potential is entirely different.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326135</id>
	<title>Pandemic?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244989800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a pandemic until Madagascar fucking closes everything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a pandemic until Madagascar fucking closes everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a pandemic until Madagascar fucking closes everything.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28336971</id>
	<title>Using grandest terms prematurely...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245088500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So H1N1 is a "pandemic" and the WTC site is "ground-zero."  Now what will we call it if we actually have a massively fatal global disease rampage or a real nuclear explosion some day?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So H1N1 is a " pandemic " and the WTC site is " ground-zero .
" Now what will we call it if we actually have a massively fatal global disease rampage or a real nuclear explosion some day ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So H1N1 is a "pandemic" and the WTC site is "ground-zero.
"  Now what will we call it if we actually have a massively fatal global disease rampage or a real nuclear explosion some day?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326705</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>dimeglio</author>
	<datestamp>1244996940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is also said that this strain causes much more severe reactions that the regular flu. I've heard of very high fever, vomiting, severe diarrhoea, fluid in the lungs, etc. which typically urges a visit to a health professional, hence the relatively accurate count of infected people. Although it is not lethal in most cases, a combination of a predisposition to illness probably increase morbidity of H1N1.</p><p>All we can do is get better at making vaccines quickly and all this will no longer be newsworthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is also said that this strain causes much more severe reactions that the regular flu .
I 've heard of very high fever , vomiting , severe diarrhoea , fluid in the lungs , etc .
which typically urges a visit to a health professional , hence the relatively accurate count of infected people .
Although it is not lethal in most cases , a combination of a predisposition to illness probably increase morbidity of H1N1.All we can do is get better at making vaccines quickly and all this will no longer be newsworthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is also said that this strain causes much more severe reactions that the regular flu.
I've heard of very high fever, vomiting, severe diarrhoea, fluid in the lungs, etc.
which typically urges a visit to a health professional, hence the relatively accurate count of infected people.
Although it is not lethal in most cases, a combination of a predisposition to illness probably increase morbidity of H1N1.All we can do is get better at making vaccines quickly and all this will no longer be newsworthy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326191</id>
	<title>a More dangerous pandemic ( 5 Interesting)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244990640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is the Google hype flooding all the sites about the android crap-pile. We're going to die from boredom first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is the Google hype flooding all the sites about the android crap-pile .
We 're going to die from boredom first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is the Google hype flooding all the sites about the android crap-pile.
We're going to die from boredom first.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326859</id>
	<title>Re:Why Why Why?!</title>
	<author>True Grit</author>
	<datestamp>1244998680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People get the flu EVERY SINGLE YEAR,</p></div><p>Folks get a *different* strain of influenza every year.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>H1N1 is no different.</p></div><p>Yes, it is.  It is a different strain of H1N1 that we haven't seen before, a combination of parts of four other strains of influenza A.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The WHO and the media make a big deal about this</p></div><p>The WHO is making a big deal about it only because it is a new strain that hasn't been seen before, and its spreading rapidly, thus fewer people will have any built-in resistance to it.  And this particular category of influenza A has a nasty history of mutating quickly.</p><p>The media make a big deal about it because its news, but inevitably they end up over-hyping it since they're trying to fill 24/7 with 'interesting' news, and there just isn't enough to do that.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(H1N1 being a pandemic is blasphemous)</p></div><p>No.  You just don't know what the meaning of the word 'pandemic' actually is.  Hint:  the number of casualties to the disease has *nothing* to do with its pandemic status.  Look it up, it doesn't mean what you think it does.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria.</p></div><p>Please define what you mean by "easily treatable".  Malaria has no silver bullet, and the only available treatments which work consistently are really just preventative measures and are relatively expensive.  And since the parasites behind Malaria are evolving resistance to the usual antimalarial drugs, for the most part, once you get it, you're cooked.</p><p>Malaria is a highly *intractable* problem that occurs in the poorest parts of the world, which makes dealing with it nearly impossible.  That's why its a chronic problem, its not something that would just go away if the whole world threw some money at it.  Nobody knows *how* to get rid of it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>People get the flu EVERY SINGLE YEAR,Folks get a * different * strain of influenza every year.H1N1 is no different.Yes , it is .
It is a different strain of H1N1 that we have n't seen before , a combination of parts of four other strains of influenza A.The WHO and the media make a big deal about thisThe WHO is making a big deal about it only because it is a new strain that has n't been seen before , and its spreading rapidly , thus fewer people will have any built-in resistance to it .
And this particular category of influenza A has a nasty history of mutating quickly.The media make a big deal about it because its news , but inevitably they end up over-hyping it since they 're trying to fill 24/7 with 'interesting ' news , and there just is n't enough to do that .
( H1N1 being a pandemic is blasphemous ) No .
You just do n't know what the meaning of the word 'pandemic ' actually is .
Hint : the number of casualties to the disease has * nothing * to do with its pandemic status .
Look it up , it does n't mean what you think it does.millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria.Please define what you mean by " easily treatable " .
Malaria has no silver bullet , and the only available treatments which work consistently are really just preventative measures and are relatively expensive .
And since the parasites behind Malaria are evolving resistance to the usual antimalarial drugs , for the most part , once you get it , you 're cooked.Malaria is a highly * intractable * problem that occurs in the poorest parts of the world , which makes dealing with it nearly impossible .
That 's why its a chronic problem , its not something that would just go away if the whole world threw some money at it .
Nobody knows * how * to get rid of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People get the flu EVERY SINGLE YEAR,Folks get a *different* strain of influenza every year.H1N1 is no different.Yes, it is.
It is a different strain of H1N1 that we haven't seen before, a combination of parts of four other strains of influenza A.The WHO and the media make a big deal about thisThe WHO is making a big deal about it only because it is a new strain that hasn't been seen before, and its spreading rapidly, thus fewer people will have any built-in resistance to it.
And this particular category of influenza A has a nasty history of mutating quickly.The media make a big deal about it because its news, but inevitably they end up over-hyping it since they're trying to fill 24/7 with 'interesting' news, and there just isn't enough to do that.
(H1N1 being a pandemic is blasphemous)No.
You just don't know what the meaning of the word 'pandemic' actually is.
Hint:  the number of casualties to the disease has *nothing* to do with its pandemic status.
Look it up, it doesn't mean what you think it does.millions of people each year who die from easily treatable illnesses such as Malaria.Please define what you mean by "easily treatable".
Malaria has no silver bullet, and the only available treatments which work consistently are really just preventative measures and are relatively expensive.
And since the parasites behind Malaria are evolving resistance to the usual antimalarial drugs, for the most part, once you get it, you're cooked.Malaria is a highly *intractable* problem that occurs in the poorest parts of the world, which makes dealing with it nearly impossible.
That's why its a chronic problem, its not something that would just go away if the whole world threw some money at it.
Nobody knows *how* to get rid of it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28329993</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1244981520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So far, this new strain is milder than a normal yearly influenza virus. But that was also true about the Spanish flu virus, the first two mutations that went around the globe. The third one was highly lethal and, sadly, 100\% lethal to pregnant women.</i></p><p>I don't know where you got 100\% lethal but at least that part of your post is incorrect. Here's a better source:</p><p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/04/02/youth-survey.html" title="www.cbc.ca">http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/04/02/youth-survey.html</a> [www.cbc.ca]<br>"In the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, one study reported on 1,350 pregnant women who became infected; 27 per cent died from the flu. In the milder Asian flu pandemic in 1957, half the women of reproductive age who died from flu in Minnesota were pregnant."</p><p>So a pregnant woman would have had a 3 in 4 chance of surviving. Alarmist nonsense panics people and causes more harm than good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So far , this new strain is milder than a normal yearly influenza virus .
But that was also true about the Spanish flu virus , the first two mutations that went around the globe .
The third one was highly lethal and , sadly , 100 \ % lethal to pregnant women.I do n't know where you got 100 \ % lethal but at least that part of your post is incorrect .
Here 's a better source : http : //www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/04/02/youth-survey.html [ www.cbc.ca ] " In the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic , one study reported on 1,350 pregnant women who became infected ; 27 per cent died from the flu .
In the milder Asian flu pandemic in 1957 , half the women of reproductive age who died from flu in Minnesota were pregnant .
" So a pregnant woman would have had a 3 in 4 chance of surviving .
Alarmist nonsense panics people and causes more harm than good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So far, this new strain is milder than a normal yearly influenza virus.
But that was also true about the Spanish flu virus, the first two mutations that went around the globe.
The third one was highly lethal and, sadly, 100\% lethal to pregnant women.I don't know where you got 100\% lethal but at least that part of your post is incorrect.
Here's a better source:http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/04/02/youth-survey.html [www.cbc.ca]"In the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, one study reported on 1,350 pregnant women who became infected; 27 per cent died from the flu.
In the milder Asian flu pandemic in 1957, half the women of reproductive age who died from flu in Minnesota were pregnant.
"So a pregnant woman would have had a 3 in 4 chance of surviving.
Alarmist nonsense panics people and causes more harm than good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326209</id>
	<title>Scariest</title>
	<author>Smivs</author>
	<datestamp>1244990820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A Lion, a Polar Bear and a Pig were having a chat, and the conversation came round to how scary they were. The lion said "When I roar, people up to half a mile away run in terror!" The Polar Bear said, "That's nothing, when I growl people on the next island fear for their lives."  "Bah!" said the pig, "if I sneeze, half the world shits itself!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A Lion , a Polar Bear and a Pig were having a chat , and the conversation came round to how scary they were .
The lion said " When I roar , people up to half a mile away run in terror !
" The Polar Bear said , " That 's nothing , when I growl people on the next island fear for their lives .
" " Bah !
" said the pig , " if I sneeze , half the world shits itself !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Lion, a Polar Bear and a Pig were having a chat, and the conversation came round to how scary they were.
The lion said "When I roar, people up to half a mile away run in terror!
" The Polar Bear said, "That's nothing, when I growl people on the next island fear for their lives.
"  "Bah!
" said the pig, "if I sneeze, half the world shits itself!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326331</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1244991960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Why the panic?</p><p>(Snip)</p><p>We've all had worse diseases than this.</p></div><p>Well, regular flu (esp. real flu rather than just a bad common cold) may not be the black death, but its still not something you'd wish on someone - especially if they're not in otherwise rude health - and even regular outbreaks put a huge strain on healthcare provision.

</p><p>So a new strain, which people may have no defenses against and isn't stopped by the usual annual vaccine given to vulnerable groups is nothing to be complacent about - especially in the early stages when you don't know how bad it is going to be.

</p><p>Unfortunately, our moronic media has no middle gears and can't deliver the message "nothing to be complacent about - here is some information" without escalating it to "OMG! ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!".</p></div>
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<tokenext>Why the panic ?
( Snip ) We 've all had worse diseases than this.Well , regular flu ( esp .
real flu rather than just a bad common cold ) may not be the black death , but its still not something you 'd wish on someone - especially if they 're not in otherwise rude health - and even regular outbreaks put a huge strain on healthcare provision .
So a new strain , which people may have no defenses against and is n't stopped by the usual annual vaccine given to vulnerable groups is nothing to be complacent about - especially in the early stages when you do n't know how bad it is going to be .
Unfortunately , our moronic media has no middle gears and ca n't deliver the message " nothing to be complacent about - here is some information " without escalating it to " OMG !
ITS THE END OF THE WORLD ! ! !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Why the panic?
(Snip)We've all had worse diseases than this.Well, regular flu (esp.
real flu rather than just a bad common cold) may not be the black death, but its still not something you'd wish on someone - especially if they're not in otherwise rude health - and even regular outbreaks put a huge strain on healthcare provision.
So a new strain, which people may have no defenses against and isn't stopped by the usual annual vaccine given to vulnerable groups is nothing to be complacent about - especially in the early stages when you don't know how bad it is going to be.
Unfortunately, our moronic media has no middle gears and can't deliver the message "nothing to be complacent about - here is some information" without escalating it to "OMG!
ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!
".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326377</id>
	<title>I don't need a damn vaccine!</title>
	<author>Doug52392</author>
	<datestamp>1244992560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in Madagascar, you insensitive clod!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Madagascar , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Madagascar, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327269</id>
	<title>Re:Why Why Why?!</title>
	<author>areusche</author>
	<datestamp>1245002220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why was this modded flamebait? The OP has a valid point!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why was this modded flamebait ?
The OP has a valid point !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why was this modded flamebait?
The OP has a valid point!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326489</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>rve</author>
	<datestamp>1244994060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around? Why the panic?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The case fatality rate (CFR) of the pandemic strain is estimated at 0.4\% (range 0.3\%-1.5\%)</p></div><p>We've all had worse diseases than this.</p></div><p>It seems to be more infectious that seasonal flu, or people have less resistance to it. In a normal flu epidemic, only a few percent of the population gets infected. Most people either never catch a flu, or have it once every couple of years. The Spanish flu of 1918 had a total infection rate of up to 40\%. If 40\% of the population gets the Mexican flu, and the death rate remains at about 0.5\%, it will be more deadly than the American civil war.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around ?
Why the panic ? The case fatality rate ( CFR ) of the pandemic strain is estimated at 0.4 \ % ( range 0.3 \ % -1.5 \ % ) We 've all had worse diseases than this.It seems to be more infectious that seasonal flu , or people have less resistance to it .
In a normal flu epidemic , only a few percent of the population gets infected .
Most people either never catch a flu , or have it once every couple of years .
The Spanish flu of 1918 had a total infection rate of up to 40 \ % .
If 40 \ % of the population gets the Mexican flu , and the death rate remains at about 0.5 \ % , it will be more deadly than the American civil war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone explain why this virus is so different from all the others floating around?
Why the panic?The case fatality rate (CFR) of the pandemic strain is estimated at 0.4\% (range 0.3\%-1.5\%)We've all had worse diseases than this.It seems to be more infectious that seasonal flu, or people have less resistance to it.
In a normal flu epidemic, only a few percent of the population gets infected.
Most people either never catch a flu, or have it once every couple of years.
The Spanish flu of 1918 had a total infection rate of up to 40\%.
If 40\% of the population gets the Mexican flu, and the death rate remains at about 0.5\%, it will be more deadly than the American civil war.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326109</id>
	<title>Swiss...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244989560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and we wont sell to america unless you leave our banks alone....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and we wont sell to america unless you leave our banks alone... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and we wont sell to america unless you leave our banks alone....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326255</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Clarious</author>
	<datestamp>1244991240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it is highly infectious, there is a high chance that it may merged with another flu virus that is deadlier but has low infection rate (think H5N1 - chicken flu, or SARS) and become a super virus that will wipe half of the earth. Or it could just get mutated and become something that is much more dangerous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it is highly infectious , there is a high chance that it may merged with another flu virus that is deadlier but has low infection rate ( think H5N1 - chicken flu , or SARS ) and become a super virus that will wipe half of the earth .
Or it could just get mutated and become something that is much more dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it is highly infectious, there is a high chance that it may merged with another flu virus that is deadlier but has low infection rate (think H5N1 - chicken flu, or SARS) and become a super virus that will wipe half of the earth.
Or it could just get mutated and become something that is much more dangerous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327259</id>
	<title>Re:Quite frankly</title>
	<author>Anynomous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1245002100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, it doesn't have to be designed from raw nucleotides. Just put a mix of a few existing strains into eggs, cultivate, check for mutations/reassortments and proceed with those. Easy as cake (made from the remaining eggs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
<p>
Think about it: vaccine makers <b>are already cultivating</b> the virus. It's a very small step from there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it does n't have to be designed from raw nucleotides .
Just put a mix of a few existing strains into eggs , cultivate , check for mutations/reassortments and proceed with those .
Easy as cake ( made from the remaining eggs : ) Think about it : vaccine makers are already cultivating the virus .
It 's a very small step from there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it doesn't have to be designed from raw nucleotides.
Just put a mix of a few existing strains into eggs, cultivate, check for mutations/reassortments and proceed with those.
Easy as cake (made from the remaining eggs :)

Think about it: vaccine makers are already cultivating the virus.
It's a very small step from there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326269</id>
	<title>Is the cure worse than the disease?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244991420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last time there was a swine flu panic, 1 person in the US died of the flu, 25 died of the vaccine that was rushed out and more than 500 were paralyzed by it. What are the odds it's going to happen again? No thanks, I'll sit this round out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last time there was a swine flu panic , 1 person in the US died of the flu , 25 died of the vaccine that was rushed out and more than 500 were paralyzed by it .
What are the odds it 's going to happen again ?
No thanks , I 'll sit this round out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last time there was a swine flu panic, 1 person in the US died of the flu, 25 died of the vaccine that was rushed out and more than 500 were paralyzed by it.
What are the odds it's going to happen again?
No thanks, I'll sit this round out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28329001</id>
	<title>Re:The only problem now is quantum and distributio</title>
	<author>h4rm0ny</author>
	<datestamp>1244972460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
So you're betting money that the Apocalypse will happen and society collapse, a l&#225; I Am Legend ? Heh! I'll take that bet. You lose, you pay. I lose, neither of us will be around to collect and money will be worthless anyway.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're betting money that the Apocalypse will happen and society collapse , a l   I Am Legend ?
Heh ! I 'll take that bet .
You lose , you pay .
I lose , neither of us will be around to collect and money will be worthless anyway .
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
So you're betting money that the Apocalypse will happen and society collapse, a lá I Am Legend ?
Heh! I'll take that bet.
You lose, you pay.
I lose, neither of us will be around to collect and money will be worthless anyway.
:D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28331851</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245000660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You don't need to sit around and cower in fear or start wearing face masks that likely do nothing.</p></div><p>This is something I have wondered about.  What do those face masks actually achieve?</p><p>You're still breathing air, and the air you're breathing is still coming from around your face.  Sure, it has to come from the gaps near your nose and possibly the gaps around your chin and cheeks, but its still more or less the SAME air you'd have otherwise breathed in if you didn't have the mask on.</p><p>On top of this, we all need to touch things that others have touched (door handles, etc) and we all need to eat.  The mask will do nothing about protecting us from contracting germs via our hands...</p><p>But they do have the ability to make the wearer look like an idiot.  So there is that.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need to sit around and cower in fear or start wearing face masks that likely do nothing.This is something I have wondered about .
What do those face masks actually achieve ? You 're still breathing air , and the air you 're breathing is still coming from around your face .
Sure , it has to come from the gaps near your nose and possibly the gaps around your chin and cheeks , but its still more or less the SAME air you 'd have otherwise breathed in if you did n't have the mask on.On top of this , we all need to touch things that others have touched ( door handles , etc ) and we all need to eat .
The mask will do nothing about protecting us from contracting germs via our hands...But they do have the ability to make the wearer look like an idiot .
So there is that .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need to sit around and cower in fear or start wearing face masks that likely do nothing.This is something I have wondered about.
What do those face masks actually achieve?You're still breathing air, and the air you're breathing is still coming from around your face.
Sure, it has to come from the gaps near your nose and possibly the gaps around your chin and cheeks, but its still more or less the SAME air you'd have otherwise breathed in if you didn't have the mask on.On top of this, we all need to touch things that others have touched (door handles, etc) and we all need to eat.
The mask will do nothing about protecting us from contracting germs via our hands...But they do have the ability to make the wearer look like an idiot.
So there is that.
:-)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28330947</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>dragonturtle69</author>
	<datestamp>1244991000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Lots of reasons listed here: <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/ferguswalsh/" title="bbc.co.uk">"The difference with H1N1 swine flu is that the virus is almost exclusively targeting people under 65."</a> [bbc.co.uk]
</p><p>
And <a href="http://www.who.int/dg/chan/en/index.html" title="who.int">Margaret Chan</a> [who.int], quoted a bit more down on the page:</p><blockquote><div><p>"We know that the novel H1N1 virus preferentially infects younger people. In nearly all areas with large and sustained outbreaks, the majority of cases have occurred in people under the age of 25 years.<br>
In some of these countries, around 2\% of cases have developed severe illness, often with very rapid progression to life-threatening pneumonia. Most cases of severe and fatal infections have been in adults between the ages of 30 and 50 years. This pattern is significantly different from that seen during epidemics of seasonal influenza, when most deaths occur in frail elderly people. Many, though not all, severe cases have occurred in people with underlying chronic conditions.<br>
Based on limited, preliminary data, conditions most frequently seen include respiratory diseases, notably asthma, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, and obesity.<br>
At the same time, it is important to note that around one third to half of the severe and fatal infections are occurring in previously healthy young and middle-aged people. Without question, pregnant women are at increased risk of complications. This heightened risk takes on added importance for a virus, like this one, that preferentially infects younger age groups."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Now, whether any of this makes it more of a threat to humanity than what we normally get is a subject of popular debate, which means it gets talked about, which means it sells to talk about it more and create headlines mentioning it.  No one mentions West Nile viurs much anymore, which had only 1, 356 reported cases in the US during 2008.  But, there were 44 total, or 3.2\%, fatalities,  Maybe it is just what people want to talk about, since that sells advertising space.
</p><p>
The only notable part to me for H1N1 is how many cases are still in the Northern Hemisphere when we are nearly at Summer, <a href="http://flutracker.rhizalabs.com/" title="rhizalabs.com">FluTracker.</a> [rhizalabs.com]  I did not compare that data to other sites, or have find a baseline to compare, so it may just be normal.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lots of reasons listed here : " The difference with H1N1 swine flu is that the virus is almost exclusively targeting people under 65 .
" [ bbc.co.uk ] And Margaret Chan [ who.int ] , quoted a bit more down on the page : " We know that the novel H1N1 virus preferentially infects younger people .
In nearly all areas with large and sustained outbreaks , the majority of cases have occurred in people under the age of 25 years .
In some of these countries , around 2 \ % of cases have developed severe illness , often with very rapid progression to life-threatening pneumonia .
Most cases of severe and fatal infections have been in adults between the ages of 30 and 50 years .
This pattern is significantly different from that seen during epidemics of seasonal influenza , when most deaths occur in frail elderly people .
Many , though not all , severe cases have occurred in people with underlying chronic conditions .
Based on limited , preliminary data , conditions most frequently seen include respiratory diseases , notably asthma , cardiovascular disease , diabetes , autoimmune disorders , and obesity .
At the same time , it is important to note that around one third to half of the severe and fatal infections are occurring in previously healthy young and middle-aged people .
Without question , pregnant women are at increased risk of complications .
This heightened risk takes on added importance for a virus , like this one , that preferentially infects younger age groups .
" Now , whether any of this makes it more of a threat to humanity than what we normally get is a subject of popular debate , which means it gets talked about , which means it sells to talk about it more and create headlines mentioning it .
No one mentions West Nile viurs much anymore , which had only 1 , 356 reported cases in the US during 2008 .
But , there were 44 total , or 3.2 \ % , fatalities , Maybe it is just what people want to talk about , since that sells advertising space .
The only notable part to me for H1N1 is how many cases are still in the Northern Hemisphere when we are nearly at Summer , FluTracker .
[ rhizalabs.com ] I did not compare that data to other sites , or have find a baseline to compare , so it may just be normal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Lots of reasons listed here: "The difference with H1N1 swine flu is that the virus is almost exclusively targeting people under 65.
" [bbc.co.uk]

And Margaret Chan [who.int], quoted a bit more down on the page:"We know that the novel H1N1 virus preferentially infects younger people.
In nearly all areas with large and sustained outbreaks, the majority of cases have occurred in people under the age of 25 years.
In some of these countries, around 2\% of cases have developed severe illness, often with very rapid progression to life-threatening pneumonia.
Most cases of severe and fatal infections have been in adults between the ages of 30 and 50 years.
This pattern is significantly different from that seen during epidemics of seasonal influenza, when most deaths occur in frail elderly people.
Many, though not all, severe cases have occurred in people with underlying chronic conditions.
Based on limited, preliminary data, conditions most frequently seen include respiratory diseases, notably asthma, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, and obesity.
At the same time, it is important to note that around one third to half of the severe and fatal infections are occurring in previously healthy young and middle-aged people.
Without question, pregnant women are at increased risk of complications.
This heightened risk takes on added importance for a virus, like this one, that preferentially infects younger age groups.
"

Now, whether any of this makes it more of a threat to humanity than what we normally get is a subject of popular debate, which means it gets talked about, which means it sells to talk about it more and create headlines mentioning it.
No one mentions West Nile viurs much anymore, which had only 1, 356 reported cases in the US during 2008.
But, there were 44 total, or 3.2\%, fatalities,  Maybe it is just what people want to talk about, since that sells advertising space.
The only notable part to me for H1N1 is how many cases are still in the Northern Hemisphere when we are nearly at Summer, FluTracker.
[rhizalabs.com]  I did not compare that data to other sites, or have find a baseline to compare, so it may just be normal.

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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327039</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>True Grit</author>
	<datestamp>1245000000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect then</p></div><p>Strange, I don't have those same memories.  H5N1 is very deadly, but can't transmit human-to-human, and the people I heard talk of it said only if it learns to move directly between humans do we need to get scared.  It was the *media* that ended up hyping things, not the WHO.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worse</p></div><p>Actually, what the WHO is worried about is the H1N1 strain linking up the existing H5N1 strains in Southeast Asia, combining the H1N1's ease of human transmission, with the H5N1's deadliness.  H1N1 is part avian after all, it has a history of mutating and combining with other strains.  Is it *likely*?  No one really knows.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'll start worrying or even caring a bit more.</p></div><p>The WHO's doing that for you, so you don't have to.  Don't blame them for doing their jobs, blame the media for always hyping everything beyond its actual importance/relevance.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect thenStrange , I do n't have those same memories .
H5N1 is very deadly , but ca n't transmit human-to-human , and the people I heard talk of it said only if it learns to move directly between humans do we need to get scared .
It was the * media * that ended up hyping things , not the WHO.If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there 's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worseActually , what the WHO is worried about is the H1N1 strain linking up the existing H5N1 strains in Southeast Asia , combining the H1N1 's ease of human transmission , with the H5N1 's deadliness .
H1N1 is part avian after all , it has a history of mutating and combining with other strains .
Is it * likely * ?
No one really knows.I 'll start worrying or even caring a bit more.The WHO 's doing that for you , so you do n't have to .
Do n't blame them for doing their jobs , blame the media for always hyping everything beyond its actual importance/relevance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>look at all the fear mongering over bird flu and apocalyptic scenarios they told us to expect thenStrange, I don't have those same memories.
H5N1 is very deadly, but can't transmit human-to-human, and the people I heard talk of it said only if it learns to move directly between humans do we need to get scared.
It was the *media* that ended up hyping things, not the WHO.If you want a real apocalyptic scenario then there's the idea that Swine flu both mutates to become worseActually, what the WHO is worried about is the H1N1 strain linking up the existing H5N1 strains in Southeast Asia, combining the H1N1's ease of human transmission, with the H5N1's deadliness.
H1N1 is part avian after all, it has a history of mutating and combining with other strains.
Is it *likely*?
No one really knows.I'll start worrying or even caring a bit more.The WHO's doing that for you, so you don't have to.
Don't blame them for doing their jobs, blame the media for always hyping everything beyond its actual importance/relevance.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326215</id>
	<title>Quite frankly</title>
	<author>Anynomous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1244990880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>with all the hype surrounding this, one might be tempted to start considering the possibility that some big pharma in search of the next blockbuster could have designed the virus, the vaccine, the initial test release in a remote village and subsequent dispersal in airports, and the fud campaign together.</htmltext>
<tokenext>with all the hype surrounding this , one might be tempted to start considering the possibility that some big pharma in search of the next blockbuster could have designed the virus , the vaccine , the initial test release in a remote village and subsequent dispersal in airports , and the fud campaign together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with all the hype surrounding this, one might be tempted to start considering the possibility that some big pharma in search of the next blockbuster could have designed the virus, the vaccine, the initial test release in a remote village and subsequent dispersal in airports, and the fud campaign together.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28329365</id>
	<title>Did anyone actually read the article?</title>
	<author>djdevon3</author>
	<datestamp>1244974920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article said nothing about production of a successful swine flu vaccine...  It's never even been tested in humans so there's no way to call it successful in the first place.  This entire post isn't factually accurate and should be removed from the internet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article said nothing about production of a successful swine flu vaccine... It 's never even been tested in humans so there 's no way to call it successful in the first place .
This entire post is n't factually accurate and should be removed from the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article said nothing about production of a successful swine flu vaccine...  It's never even been tested in humans so there's no way to call it successful in the first place.
This entire post isn't factually accurate and should be removed from the internet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326263</id>
	<title>Re:The only problem now is quantum and distributio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244991360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the moment, vaccinating people in the U.S., Canada and Mexico makes the most sense, the prevalence is highest here (3/4 of all infections that the WHO is tracking...).</p><p>Countries like India and China can make their own (and have the resources to work in their regions if they want to).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the moment , vaccinating people in the U.S. , Canada and Mexico makes the most sense , the prevalence is highest here ( 3/4 of all infections that the WHO is tracking... ) .Countries like India and China can make their own ( and have the resources to work in their regions if they want to ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the moment, vaccinating people in the U.S., Canada and Mexico makes the most sense, the prevalence is highest here (3/4 of all infections that the WHO is tracking...).Countries like India and China can make their own (and have the resources to work in their regions if they want to).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326701</id>
	<title>Made in cells?</title>
	<author>johannesg</author>
	<datestamp>1244996940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazing! Isn't there anything the Playstation 3 cannot do?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazing !
Is n't there anything the Playstation 3 can not do ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazing!
Isn't there anything the Playstation 3 cannot do?
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28328059</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>samkass</author>
	<datestamp>1245009360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just that it could mutate and that it's more contagious... it's also peaking counter to almost any recent flu.  The flu virus is packaged in lipids which tend to dissolve in heat, and aren't carried well in moist air.  Add in some summer sun to sterilize surfaces and boost people's immune system with some vitamin D and you tend to get very little flu after March-April.  We now have a virus that is peaking in June yet retains flu's ability to sicken and mutate, which implies that this fall could see a VERY BAD flu season.  In fact, we're more or less tracking some of the deadliest pandemics for the spread of the virus.  The saving grace here is that this vaccine doesn't contain some of the worst "deadly" flu genes from the big killer flus.  But now that it's making its rounds through Asia and elsewhere, there is some fear it could absorb some of that.  Imagine something as deadly as bird flu that is also more easily transmissible than any flu in decades...  THAT'S why it's something to monitor.  Not panic about, just be prepared for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just that it could mutate and that it 's more contagious... it 's also peaking counter to almost any recent flu .
The flu virus is packaged in lipids which tend to dissolve in heat , and are n't carried well in moist air .
Add in some summer sun to sterilize surfaces and boost people 's immune system with some vitamin D and you tend to get very little flu after March-April .
We now have a virus that is peaking in June yet retains flu 's ability to sicken and mutate , which implies that this fall could see a VERY BAD flu season .
In fact , we 're more or less tracking some of the deadliest pandemics for the spread of the virus .
The saving grace here is that this vaccine does n't contain some of the worst " deadly " flu genes from the big killer flus .
But now that it 's making its rounds through Asia and elsewhere , there is some fear it could absorb some of that .
Imagine something as deadly as bird flu that is also more easily transmissible than any flu in decades... THAT 'S why it 's something to monitor .
Not panic about , just be prepared for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just that it could mutate and that it's more contagious... it's also peaking counter to almost any recent flu.
The flu virus is packaged in lipids which tend to dissolve in heat, and aren't carried well in moist air.
Add in some summer sun to sterilize surfaces and boost people's immune system with some vitamin D and you tend to get very little flu after March-April.
We now have a virus that is peaking in June yet retains flu's ability to sicken and mutate, which implies that this fall could see a VERY BAD flu season.
In fact, we're more or less tracking some of the deadliest pandemics for the spread of the virus.
The saving grace here is that this vaccine doesn't contain some of the worst "deadly" flu genes from the big killer flus.
But now that it's making its rounds through Asia and elsewhere, there is some fear it could absorb some of that.
Imagine something as deadly as bird flu that is also more easily transmissible than any flu in decades...  THAT'S why it's something to monitor.
Not panic about, just be prepared for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327057</id>
	<title>Re:The only problem now is quantum and distributio</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1245000120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was.</p></div><p>Only 5 bucks? If you really wanted to do that on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. it has got to be worth it. </p><p> Unless of course you are talking about an animal that has a buck, like a deer, then that's totally worth it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was.Only 5 bucks ?
If you really wanted to do that on / .
it has got to be worth it .
Unless of course you are talking about an animal that has a buck , like a deer , then that 's totally worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was.Only 5 bucks?
If you really wanted to do that on /.
it has got to be worth it.
Unless of course you are talking about an animal that has a buck, like a deer, then that's totally worth it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326879</id>
	<title>Re:The only problem now is quantum and distributio</title>
	<author>seriousthinker</author>
	<datestamp>1244998920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was.</p></div> </blockquote><p>And I bet you'd want this kind of research banned, right?</p><p>If people like you had had their way, we'd still be suffering from smallpox.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was .
And I bet you 'd want this kind of research banned , right ? If people like you had had their way , we 'd still be suffering from smallpox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5 bucks say this vaccine causes the virus to mutate and turn into something far worse than it originally was.
And I bet you'd want this kind of research banned, right?If people like you had had their way, we'd still be suffering from smallpox.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28327523</id>
	<title>The WHO?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245004680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The WHO needs donations again?</p><p>SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu - it seems that people are finally learning to take the things The WHO says with a grain of salt.</p><p>Anywho, I had Swine Flu and as flu goes it is not particularly bad, but I can believe that people in lower socioeconomic circumstances can die from it.  It causes your upper airways to constrict.  So if I didn't have a supply of antihistamine for my allergies on hand, I could probably have suffocated from it too.</p><p>I think that there is no need to make massive amounts expensive immunizations for this thing, treating the symptoms with antihistamine is good enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The WHO needs donations again ? SARS , Bird Flu , Swine Flu - it seems that people are finally learning to take the things The WHO says with a grain of salt.Anywho , I had Swine Flu and as flu goes it is not particularly bad , but I can believe that people in lower socioeconomic circumstances can die from it .
It causes your upper airways to constrict .
So if I did n't have a supply of antihistamine for my allergies on hand , I could probably have suffocated from it too.I think that there is no need to make massive amounts expensive immunizations for this thing , treating the symptoms with antihistamine is good enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The WHO needs donations again?SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu - it seems that people are finally learning to take the things The WHO says with a grain of salt.Anywho, I had Swine Flu and as flu goes it is not particularly bad, but I can believe that people in lower socioeconomic circumstances can die from it.
It causes your upper airways to constrict.
So if I didn't have a supply of antihistamine for my allergies on hand, I could probably have suffocated from it too.I think that there is no need to make massive amounts expensive immunizations for this thing, treating the symptoms with antihistamine is good enough.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28328701</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244970420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>3. Or we may get a mild extra flu, on top of the usual annual flu. </p></div><p>Less people died from H1N1 than the "normal" flu. That is also true for Mexico. Their medical system is just not that good.</p><p>In countries where the medical service is good, no one died and people got cured, except for those who were weak and sick before, and had other complications.</p><p>Don't panic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>3 .
Or we may get a mild extra flu , on top of the usual annual flu .
Less people died from H1N1 than the " normal " flu .
That is also true for Mexico .
Their medical system is just not that good.In countries where the medical service is good , no one died and people got cured , except for those who were weak and sick before , and had other complications.Do n't panic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3.
Or we may get a mild extra flu, on top of the usual annual flu.
Less people died from H1N1 than the "normal" flu.
That is also true for Mexico.
Their medical system is just not that good.In countries where the medical service is good, no one died and people got cured, except for those who were weak and sick before, and had other complications.Don't panic.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28326669</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244996640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The CFR might not be the main problem with this virus - even if it didn't mutate into a deadlier form when the second wave hits (or future pandemic situations)</p><p>The rate of transmission and chances of catching the virus are high due to it being a variant that is not easily fought off by the immune system in younger people due to not having proir exposure to this variant which had been mostly in animals.</p><p>So lots of people are going to get sick, and ths will increase in the next few months.</p><p>So companies will start to see mass absenteeism both from genuine cases and those not wanting to catch the flu or faking it.</p><p>In the present financial climate this could be the straw that breaks some smaller (and larger) companies backs, not to mention disrupting vital services.</p><p>The economic cost could be a far worse consequence than the fatality rate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The CFR might not be the main problem with this virus - even if it did n't mutate into a deadlier form when the second wave hits ( or future pandemic situations ) The rate of transmission and chances of catching the virus are high due to it being a variant that is not easily fought off by the immune system in younger people due to not having proir exposure to this variant which had been mostly in animals.So lots of people are going to get sick , and ths will increase in the next few months.So companies will start to see mass absenteeism both from genuine cases and those not wanting to catch the flu or faking it.In the present financial climate this could be the straw that breaks some smaller ( and larger ) companies backs , not to mention disrupting vital services.The economic cost could be a far worse consequence than the fatality rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CFR might not be the main problem with this virus - even if it didn't mutate into a deadlier form when the second wave hits (or future pandemic situations)The rate of transmission and chances of catching the virus are high due to it being a variant that is not easily fought off by the immune system in younger people due to not having proir exposure to this variant which had been mostly in animals.So lots of people are going to get sick, and ths will increase in the next few months.So companies will start to see mass absenteeism both from genuine cases and those not wanting to catch the flu or faking it.In the present financial climate this could be the straw that breaks some smaller (and larger) companies backs, not to mention disrupting vital services.The economic cost could be a far worse consequence than the fatality rate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28329561</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>AmigaMMC</author>
	<datestamp>1244977200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>personally, I'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion.</b> <p>

You are not afraid of alien invasions? You gotta be crazy.<br>
Maybe this virus was sent by aliens. HA! What do you think of that huh?
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/me ducks under couch wearing tinfoil hat</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>personally , I 'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion .
You are not afraid of alien invasions ?
You got ta be crazy .
Maybe this virus was sent by aliens .
HA ! What do you think of that huh ?
/me ducks under couch wearing tinfoil hat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>personally, I'll file that alongside worrying about global nuclear war and alien invasion.
You are not afraid of alien invasions?
You gotta be crazy.
Maybe this virus was sent by aliens.
HA! What do you think of that huh?
/me ducks under couch wearing tinfoil hat</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_1212240.28328189</id>
	<title>Re:The only problem now is quantum and distributio</title>
	<author>Goldberg's Pants</author>
	<datestamp>1245010140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given flu traditionally excels in cold weather, I'm not sure swine flu, particularly with the other issues in Africa, are an especially big concern.</p><p>And saying North America has a functioning healthcare system.... BWAHAHA! Canada, yes. The US? HAHAHA! You should try telling that to the American's I'm friends with who have medical problems.</p><p>One friend the other day pointed out that if she injures herself, she's better off getting into her car and deliberately crashing it as her deductible is half that of her HMO.</p><p>As I said above, there's sure going to be a lot of testing of the safety and efficacy of this vaccine isn't there! I mean it's probably 2-3 months before CNN and friends begin the hype machine to sell vaccines. 3 months.</p><p>Russian Roulette in needle form.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given flu traditionally excels in cold weather , I 'm not sure swine flu , particularly with the other issues in Africa , are an especially big concern.And saying North America has a functioning healthcare system.... BWAHAHA ! Canada , yes .
The US ?
HAHAHA ! You should try telling that to the American 's I 'm friends with who have medical problems.One friend the other day pointed out that if she injures herself , she 's better off getting into her car and deliberately crashing it as her deductible is half that of her HMO.As I said above , there 's sure going to be a lot of testing of the safety and efficacy of this vaccine is n't there !
I mean it 's probably 2-3 months before CNN and friends begin the hype machine to sell vaccines .
3 months.Russian Roulette in needle form .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given flu traditionally excels in cold weather, I'm not sure swine flu, particularly with the other issues in Africa, are an especially big concern.And saying North America has a functioning healthcare system.... BWAHAHA! Canada, yes.
The US?
HAHAHA! You should try telling that to the American's I'm friends with who have medical problems.One friend the other day pointed out that if she injures herself, she's better off getting into her car and deliberately crashing it as her deductible is half that of her HMO.As I said above, there's sure going to be a lot of testing of the safety and efficacy of this vaccine isn't there!
I mean it's probably 2-3 months before CNN and friends begin the hype machine to sell vaccines.
3 months.Russian Roulette in needle form.</sentencetext>
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