<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_13_0149249</id>
	<title>First Look At Microsoft Silverlight 3</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1244892600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.infoworld.com/" rel="nofollow">snydeq</a> writes <i>"InfoWorld's Martin Heller <a href="http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/first-look-microsoft-silverlight-3-challenges-adobe-air-216">finds Silverlight 3 gaining ground</a> on Adobe Flash, Flex, and AIR in all the areas where Silverlight 2 had lagged. No longer do developers need to build desktop WPF apps based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs, as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight apps on the desktop, update them in place, detect Net connectivity state changes, and store data locally and securely. Moreover, solid Expression Blend 3 and <a href="http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/06/05/1956211/First-Look-At-Visual-Studio-2010-Beta-1?art\_pos=1">Visual Studio 2010 betas</a> provide developers with much improved tools to create Silverlight RIAs. '"I do not expect many Adobe shops to give up their Flash, Flex, and AIR for Silverlight 3. I do expect many Microsoft shops to do more RIAs with Silverlight now that it's more capable and to create lightweight browser/desktop Silverlight 3 applications where they might have fashioned heavier-weight Windows Forms or WPF client applications," Heller says.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>snydeq writes " InfoWorld 's Martin Heller finds Silverlight 3 gaining ground on Adobe Flash , Flex , and AIR in all the areas where Silverlight 2 had lagged .
No longer do developers need to build desktop WPF apps based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs , as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight apps on the desktop , update them in place , detect Net connectivity state changes , and store data locally and securely .
Moreover , solid Expression Blend 3 and Visual Studio 2010 betas provide developers with much improved tools to create Silverlight RIAs .
' " I do not expect many Adobe shops to give up their Flash , Flex , and AIR for Silverlight 3 .
I do expect many Microsoft shops to do more RIAs with Silverlight now that it 's more capable and to create lightweight browser/desktop Silverlight 3 applications where they might have fashioned heavier-weight Windows Forms or WPF client applications , " Heller says .
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<sentencetext>snydeq writes "InfoWorld's Martin Heller finds Silverlight 3 gaining ground on Adobe Flash, Flex, and AIR in all the areas where Silverlight 2 had lagged.
No longer do developers need to build desktop WPF apps based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs, as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight apps on the desktop, update them in place, detect Net connectivity state changes, and store data locally and securely.
Moreover, solid Expression Blend 3 and Visual Studio 2010 betas provide developers with much improved tools to create Silverlight RIAs.
'"I do not expect many Adobe shops to give up their Flash, Flex, and AIR for Silverlight 3.
I do expect many Microsoft shops to do more RIAs with Silverlight now that it's more capable and to create lightweight browser/desktop Silverlight 3 applications where they might have fashioned heavier-weight Windows Forms or WPF client applications," Heller says.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28324585</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight is becoming ... Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244913660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>JAVA? yea right... I am forced to use some java apps at work and they SUCK. I am always 4 versions of JAVA bechind because everytime SUN releases an update it breaks something.</p><p>What a joke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>JAVA ?
yea right... I am forced to use some java apps at work and they SUCK .
I am always 4 versions of JAVA bechind because everytime SUN releases an update it breaks something.What a joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>JAVA?
yea right... I am forced to use some java apps at work and they SUCK.
I am always 4 versions of JAVA bechind because everytime SUN releases an update it breaks something.What a joke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28323327</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244896500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd personally rather see the advances in Javascript allow us to move forward for RIAs because no plugin is required, and it's not some compiled proprietary lump of bits. Google's chrome demos mentioned here a couple of months ago looked very promising in this area so hopefully this will eventually the path we see taken for RIAs but in the meantime I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing, if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product.</p></div><p>The use of Flash will be dramatically reduced over the next few years. The most prominent use of Flash by far is for embedded video players. I think most major video sites will abandon Flash and transition to HTML 5 video. Hopefully, they'll transition to Theora too. Theora isn't as good as h264 but it's squarely in "good enough" territory, particularly with the new Theora 1.1 "Thusnelda" encoder. Using Google as an example, Chrome's inclusion of ffmpeg suggests to me that Google will be transitioning to HTML 5 as soon as possible, but not necessarily to Theora.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd personally rather see the advances in Javascript allow us to move forward for RIAs because no plugin is required , and it 's not some compiled proprietary lump of bits .
Google 's chrome demos mentioned here a couple of months ago looked very promising in this area so hopefully this will eventually the path we see taken for RIAs but in the meantime I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing , if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product.The use of Flash will be dramatically reduced over the next few years .
The most prominent use of Flash by far is for embedded video players .
I think most major video sites will abandon Flash and transition to HTML 5 video .
Hopefully , they 'll transition to Theora too .
Theora is n't as good as h264 but it 's squarely in " good enough " territory , particularly with the new Theora 1.1 " Thusnelda " encoder .
Using Google as an example , Chrome 's inclusion of ffmpeg suggests to me that Google will be transitioning to HTML 5 as soon as possible , but not necessarily to Theora .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd personally rather see the advances in Javascript allow us to move forward for RIAs because no plugin is required, and it's not some compiled proprietary lump of bits.
Google's chrome demos mentioned here a couple of months ago looked very promising in this area so hopefully this will eventually the path we see taken for RIAs but in the meantime I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing, if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product.The use of Flash will be dramatically reduced over the next few years.
The most prominent use of Flash by far is for embedded video players.
I think most major video sites will abandon Flash and transition to HTML 5 video.
Hopefully, they'll transition to Theora too.
Theora isn't as good as h264 but it's squarely in "good enough" territory, particularly with the new Theora 1.1 "Thusnelda" encoder.
Using Google as an example, Chrome's inclusion of ffmpeg suggests to me that Google will be transitioning to HTML 5 as soon as possible, but not necessarily to Theora.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318875</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319945</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>msormune</author>
	<datestamp>1244909100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you look GWT stuff, they use JavaScript in a way it might just as well be proprietary compiled code. As for the required Flash plugin, so what? It's already everywhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you look GWT stuff , they use JavaScript in a way it might just as well be proprietary compiled code .
As for the required Flash plugin , so what ?
It 's already everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you look GWT stuff, they use JavaScript in a way it might just as well be proprietary compiled code.
As for the required Flash plugin, so what?
It's already everywhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320997</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight is becoming ... Java</title>
	<author>Shados</author>
	<datestamp>1244918040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, this is not the same thing. Webstart is like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET's ClickOnce (which, admitedly, came in later).</p><p>What Silverlight 3 does is let you make a browser RIA that the user can "detach", and move and use locally, with or without an internet connection. So basically imagine if you had an applet that could become a WebStart app, with virtually zero effort on the developer side, and completly streamlined on the user site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , this is not the same thing .
Webstart is like .NET 's ClickOnce ( which , admitedly , came in later ) .What Silverlight 3 does is let you make a browser RIA that the user can " detach " , and move and use locally , with or without an internet connection .
So basically imagine if you had an applet that could become a WebStart app , with virtually zero effort on the developer side , and completly streamlined on the user site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, this is not the same thing.
Webstart is like .NET's ClickOnce (which, admitedly, came in later).What Silverlight 3 does is let you make a browser RIA that the user can "detach", and move and use locally, with or without an internet connection.
So basically imagine if you had an applet that could become a WebStart app, with virtually zero effort on the developer side, and completly streamlined on the user site.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319025</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320163</id>
	<title>Silverlight is Evil!</title>
	<author>A12m0v</author>
	<datestamp>1244911380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft push of Silverlight as a media framework undermines current and new standards (HTML5). Silverlight is meant as yet another way to lock people into Windows and patent-encumbered proprietary products.<br>The web belongs to no one! Not Adobe and not Microsoft.<br>Use open standards!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft push of Silverlight as a media framework undermines current and new standards ( HTML5 ) .
Silverlight is meant as yet another way to lock people into Windows and patent-encumbered proprietary products.The web belongs to no one !
Not Adobe and not Microsoft.Use open standards !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft push of Silverlight as a media framework undermines current and new standards (HTML5).
Silverlight is meant as yet another way to lock people into Windows and patent-encumbered proprietary products.The web belongs to no one!
Not Adobe and not Microsoft.Use open standards!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321649</id>
	<title>Re:I'll pass.</title>
	<author>McBeer</author>
	<datestamp>1244923320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Silverlight is awful.</p></div><p>[citation needed].  Have you even used it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Silverlight is awful .
[ citation needed ] .
Have you even used it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silverlight is awful.
[citation needed].
Have you even used it?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318853</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28327193</id>
	<title>This should read....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245001320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> No longer do <strong>Crackers</strong> need to build desktop WPF <strong>Trojans</strong> based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs, as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight <strong>Trojans</strong> on the desktop, update them in place, detect Net connectivity state changes, <strong>and store data remotely and securely on a server in Russia</strong>. Moreover, solid Expression Blend 3 and Visual Studio 2010 betas provide <strong>Crackers</strong> with much improved tools to create Silverlight RIA <strong>Trojans</strong>.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No longer do Crackers need to build desktop WPF Trojans based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs , as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight Trojans on the desktop , update them in place , detect Net connectivity state changes , and store data remotely and securely on a server in Russia .
Moreover , solid Expression Blend 3 and Visual Studio 2010 betas provide Crackers with much improved tools to create Silverlight RIA Trojans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> No longer do Crackers need to build desktop WPF Trojans based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs, as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight Trojans on the desktop, update them in place, detect Net connectivity state changes, and store data remotely and securely on a server in Russia.
Moreover, solid Expression Blend 3 and Visual Studio 2010 betas provide Crackers with much improved tools to create Silverlight RIA Trojans.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320467</id>
	<title>I'm still going with Flash</title>
	<author>StarbuckZero</author>
	<datestamp>1244913720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As of right now IE is lagging behind when it comes to most of the web technology. So even when support for HTML5 comes into play I'm sure MS is going to lag behind like they always do. For the company I'm working for now I have to build a HTML and Flash version of the company website. Let me tell you I can't wait to do the Flash version because most of the hacks I'm doing for the CSS/XHTML version is for IE, that's even with a AJAX toolkit. In Flash it will work across the board and I don't have to worry about writing hacks for different browsers and platforms. I don't want Flash, Silverlight or even JavaFX to become the norm. I just want Microsoft to support W3C standards just like the other browsers. Everyone at my work place think I'm not trying to support IE when it comes to the project. They just don't realize how much in the pain in the ass it is to even support IE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As of right now IE is lagging behind when it comes to most of the web technology .
So even when support for HTML5 comes into play I 'm sure MS is going to lag behind like they always do .
For the company I 'm working for now I have to build a HTML and Flash version of the company website .
Let me tell you I ca n't wait to do the Flash version because most of the hacks I 'm doing for the CSS/XHTML version is for IE , that 's even with a AJAX toolkit .
In Flash it will work across the board and I do n't have to worry about writing hacks for different browsers and platforms .
I do n't want Flash , Silverlight or even JavaFX to become the norm .
I just want Microsoft to support W3C standards just like the other browsers .
Everyone at my work place think I 'm not trying to support IE when it comes to the project .
They just do n't realize how much in the pain in the ass it is to even support IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As of right now IE is lagging behind when it comes to most of the web technology.
So even when support for HTML5 comes into play I'm sure MS is going to lag behind like they always do.
For the company I'm working for now I have to build a HTML and Flash version of the company website.
Let me tell you I can't wait to do the Flash version because most of the hacks I'm doing for the CSS/XHTML version is for IE, that's even with a AJAX toolkit.
In Flash it will work across the board and I don't have to worry about writing hacks for different browsers and platforms.
I don't want Flash, Silverlight or even JavaFX to become the norm.
I just want Microsoft to support W3C standards just like the other browsers.
Everyone at my work place think I'm not trying to support IE when it comes to the project.
They just don't realize how much in the pain in the ass it is to even support IE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318885</id>
	<title>Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244896860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously. Silverlight is gaining on flash in all areas.  What about portability<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  open standards<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... interoperability.  Not that flash is really that much better, but at least Adobe is making a token effort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Silverlight is gaining on flash in all areas .
What about portability ... open standards ... interoperability. Not that flash is really that much better , but at least Adobe is making a token effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Silverlight is gaining on flash in all areas.
What about portability ...  open standards ... interoperability.  Not that flash is really that much better, but at least Adobe is making a token effort.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321901</id>
	<title>Microsoft Ad</title>
	<author>Mybrid</author>
	<datestamp>1244925360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me or did this read like a promo right off of Microsoft's web site?</p><p>Is slashdot going to go the way of PC Magazine back in the late 1980s and just becoming a venue for corporate promotion?</p><p>This article was kinda depressing.</p><p>It is nice to have at least one corner of the Netverse not dominated by the corporate overlords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or did this read like a promo right off of Microsoft 's web site ? Is slashdot going to go the way of PC Magazine back in the late 1980s and just becoming a venue for corporate promotion ? This article was kinda depressing.It is nice to have at least one corner of the Netverse not dominated by the corporate overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or did this read like a promo right off of Microsoft's web site?Is slashdot going to go the way of PC Magazine back in the late 1980s and just becoming a venue for corporate promotion?This article was kinda depressing.It is nice to have at least one corner of the Netverse not dominated by the corporate overlords.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28326179</id>
	<title>Re:I'll pass.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244990340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's just Microsoft is exaclty what it is; Create new, totally uncalled for software duplications done wrong in order to screw every standard/open establishment in order to gain more lock-in and control and in the end more money.</p><p>It is and shall always remains "just Microsoft" for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just Microsoft is exaclty what it is ; Create new , totally uncalled for software duplications done wrong in order to screw every standard/open establishment in order to gain more lock-in and control and in the end more money.It is and shall always remains " just Microsoft " for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just Microsoft is exaclty what it is; Create new, totally uncalled for software duplications done wrong in order to screw every standard/open establishment in order to gain more lock-in and control and in the end more money.It is and shall always remains "just Microsoft" for me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318901</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28322619</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>benwaggoner</author>
	<datestamp>1244889480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now I see it can install apps and updates directly to the desktop, and is based on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net/mono - absolutely no way!</p></div><p>It's not running native code apps, sheesh.  It's the same managed code sandbox and security model as the browser plugin, but can run without being in a browser proper.</p><p>But the (high) security model remains the same.  It's just like opening "Default.html" from the desktop.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I see it can install apps and updates directly to the desktop , and is based on .net/mono - absolutely no way ! It 's not running native code apps , sheesh .
It 's the same managed code sandbox and security model as the browser plugin , but can run without being in a browser proper.But the ( high ) security model remains the same .
It 's just like opening " Default.html " from the desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I see it can install apps and updates directly to the desktop, and is based on .net/mono - absolutely no way!It's not running native code apps, sheesh.
It's the same managed code sandbox and security model as the browser plugin, but can run without being in a browser proper.But the (high) security model remains the same.
It's just like opening "Default.html" from the desktop.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318997</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>pjt33</author>
	<datestamp>1244898480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's at least one more "challenger" (I use the term loosely) in the form of JavaFX. The fact that you hadn't even heard of it says a lot about its potential for success.</p><p>I do think you're being unfair on Java applets, though. It took a long time for them to perform as originally hoped, but I think they're there now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's at least one more " challenger " ( I use the term loosely ) in the form of JavaFX .
The fact that you had n't even heard of it says a lot about its potential for success.I do think you 're being unfair on Java applets , though .
It took a long time for them to perform as originally hoped , but I think they 're there now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's at least one more "challenger" (I use the term loosely) in the form of JavaFX.
The fact that you hadn't even heard of it says a lot about its potential for success.I do think you're being unfair on Java applets, though.
It took a long time for them to perform as originally hoped, but I think they're there now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318875</id>
	<title>Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244896560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, not in the grand scheme of things it's not, I'd rather see the likes of Silverlight and Flash dissapear altogether. I think however in this context Silverlight might actually be a good thing. Flash has become so widespread because there was really no challenge to it, Java applets never really ever managed to perform as was originally hoped.</p><p>On one hand I'm glad to see some competition for Flash rather than it be allowed effectively a monopoly on RIAs but on the other the worry is of course that this'll just mean more RIAs!</p><p>I'd personally rather see the advances in Javascript allow us to move forward for RIAs because no plugin is required, and it's not some compiled proprietary lump of bits. Google's chrome demos mentioned here a couple of months ago looked very promising in this area so hopefully this will eventually the path we see taken for RIAs but in the meantime I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing, if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , not in the grand scheme of things it 's not , I 'd rather see the likes of Silverlight and Flash dissapear altogether .
I think however in this context Silverlight might actually be a good thing .
Flash has become so widespread because there was really no challenge to it , Java applets never really ever managed to perform as was originally hoped.On one hand I 'm glad to see some competition for Flash rather than it be allowed effectively a monopoly on RIAs but on the other the worry is of course that this 'll just mean more RIAs ! I 'd personally rather see the advances in Javascript allow us to move forward for RIAs because no plugin is required , and it 's not some compiled proprietary lump of bits .
Google 's chrome demos mentioned here a couple of months ago looked very promising in this area so hopefully this will eventually the path we see taken for RIAs but in the meantime I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing , if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, not in the grand scheme of things it's not, I'd rather see the likes of Silverlight and Flash dissapear altogether.
I think however in this context Silverlight might actually be a good thing.
Flash has become so widespread because there was really no challenge to it, Java applets never really ever managed to perform as was originally hoped.On one hand I'm glad to see some competition for Flash rather than it be allowed effectively a monopoly on RIAs but on the other the worry is of course that this'll just mean more RIAs!I'd personally rather see the advances in Javascript allow us to move forward for RIAs because no plugin is required, and it's not some compiled proprietary lump of bits.
Google's chrome demos mentioned here a couple of months ago looked very promising in this area so hopefully this will eventually the path we see taken for RIAs but in the meantime I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing, if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319919</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244908980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think Java applets seem to perform better now because processors are faster, and because people are comparing it to Flash/.NET/Javascript, not to C++.  For example, the JVM took forever to load, but I don't think the JVM is any bigger than the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET framework.  Java was just ahead of its time and hardware caught up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Java applets seem to perform better now because processors are faster , and because people are comparing it to Flash/.NET/Javascript , not to C + + .
For example , the JVM took forever to load , but I do n't think the JVM is any bigger than the .NET framework .
Java was just ahead of its time and hardware caught up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Java applets seem to perform better now because processors are faster, and because people are comparing it to Flash/.NET/Javascript, not to C++.
For example, the JVM took forever to load, but I don't think the JVM is any bigger than the .NET framework.
Java was just ahead of its time and hardware caught up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320555</id>
	<title>Re:Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>Allicorn</author>
	<datestamp>1244914440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Silverlight is gaining on flash in all areas</i></p><p>It is? Color me surprised. I wasn't even aware that there was a Silverlight "2" having never actually seen any Silverlight plugin or warning about it on any website ever.</p><p>I suppose, in the same sense, we could say that "Safari-for-Windows is gaining on Internet Explorer in all areas". It rose from 0.07\% market share on Windows boxes to 0.21\% when Apple bundled it in their update for iTunes/Quicktime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Silverlight is gaining on flash in all areasIt is ?
Color me surprised .
I was n't even aware that there was a Silverlight " 2 " having never actually seen any Silverlight plugin or warning about it on any website ever.I suppose , in the same sense , we could say that " Safari-for-Windows is gaining on Internet Explorer in all areas " .
It rose from 0.07 \ % market share on Windows boxes to 0.21 \ % when Apple bundled it in their update for iTunes/Quicktime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silverlight is gaining on flash in all areasIt is?
Color me surprised.
I wasn't even aware that there was a Silverlight "2" having never actually seen any Silverlight plugin or warning about it on any website ever.I suppose, in the same sense, we could say that "Safari-for-Windows is gaining on Internet Explorer in all areas".
It rose from 0.07\% market share on Windows boxes to 0.21\% when Apple bundled it in their update for iTunes/Quicktime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319831</id>
	<title>Hello monopoly abuse</title>
	<author>Eternal Annoyance</author>
	<datestamp>1244908320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently Microsoft isn't learning from it's experience with the EU and US antitrust and competition regulatory organs.<br><br>Adding silverlight support to visual studio, instead of making a separate IDE for that or a plug-in which is sold independent of visual studio, smells like abuse of monopoly position to me.<br><br>In order to make silverlight applications, you now need visual studio. In order to run visual studio, you need windows. You can bet on it that some future version of silverlight will become buggy on linux and will be rock solid on windows... or it simply won't be available on linux, once enough market penetration has been reached.<br><br>Lets hope Adobe and Sun start complaining about this anti-competitive behavior of Microsoft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently Microsoft is n't learning from it 's experience with the EU and US antitrust and competition regulatory organs.Adding silverlight support to visual studio , instead of making a separate IDE for that or a plug-in which is sold independent of visual studio , smells like abuse of monopoly position to me.In order to make silverlight applications , you now need visual studio .
In order to run visual studio , you need windows .
You can bet on it that some future version of silverlight will become buggy on linux and will be rock solid on windows... or it simply wo n't be available on linux , once enough market penetration has been reached.Lets hope Adobe and Sun start complaining about this anti-competitive behavior of Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently Microsoft isn't learning from it's experience with the EU and US antitrust and competition regulatory organs.Adding silverlight support to visual studio, instead of making a separate IDE for that or a plug-in which is sold independent of visual studio, smells like abuse of monopoly position to me.In order to make silverlight applications, you now need visual studio.
In order to run visual studio, you need windows.
You can bet on it that some future version of silverlight will become buggy on linux and will be rock solid on windows... or it simply won't be available on linux, once enough market penetration has been reached.Lets hope Adobe and Sun start complaining about this anti-competitive behavior of Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318941</id>
	<title>Balkanization of the web</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244897520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What would the web be without JPEG, GIF and PNG?  Can you imagine what a hot mess it would be if you had to install proprietary binary plug-ins to view images on web pages?  And if some of the plug-ins weren't available on your platform?</p><p>Then go in the other direction and imagine what the web could have been with a universal video format and vector animation format.  That's the crazy amount of damage Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Real and the MPEG4 LA have collectively wreaked on the web at large.</p><p>So please, please avoid Silverlight (or Flash, for that matter).  It aims to balkanize the web into mutually-incompatible, vendor-dominated fiefdoms in which the overwhelming incentive is to tax users for their access to data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What would the web be without JPEG , GIF and PNG ?
Can you imagine what a hot mess it would be if you had to install proprietary binary plug-ins to view images on web pages ?
And if some of the plug-ins were n't available on your platform ? Then go in the other direction and imagine what the web could have been with a universal video format and vector animation format .
That 's the crazy amount of damage Microsoft , Apple , Adobe , Real and the MPEG4 LA have collectively wreaked on the web at large.So please , please avoid Silverlight ( or Flash , for that matter ) .
It aims to balkanize the web into mutually-incompatible , vendor-dominated fiefdoms in which the overwhelming incentive is to tax users for their access to data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would the web be without JPEG, GIF and PNG?
Can you imagine what a hot mess it would be if you had to install proprietary binary plug-ins to view images on web pages?
And if some of the plug-ins weren't available on your platform?Then go in the other direction and imagine what the web could have been with a universal video format and vector animation format.
That's the crazy amount of damage Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Real and the MPEG4 LA have collectively wreaked on the web at large.So please, please avoid Silverlight (or Flash, for that matter).
It aims to balkanize the web into mutually-incompatible, vendor-dominated fiefdoms in which the overwhelming incentive is to tax users for their access to data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28324001</id>
	<title>Re:Dirty Tricks History repeating here</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1244904420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your rant is rediculous.</p><p>If I'm ABC and I want to reach as many viewers as humanely possible and Microsoft drops Firefox, Chrome, Safari and OSX support then suddenly I'm presented with two options:  Flash (which you claim works 100\% of everywhere) or Silverlight.  Which do I pick?  Flash of course.   There is one less Silverlight customer.</p><p>Flash and Silverlight offer an experience which is impossible through OSS.  So while open standards has been dicking around for the better part of a decade with HTML4. Flash and Silverlight have offered a superior experience for the customer.   This isn't a case of Microsoft and Adobe creating a competing standard.  This is a case of Microsoft and Adobe offering something which doesn't exist.</p><p>Now I'm sure in 10 years there'll be an open source clone.  And we'll all be hearing about how "Silverlight 12 is totally incompatible and how it's ruining the world."  But until there is an open alternative to Flash or Silverlight you're just bitching that Microsoft and Adobe are actually creating useful and innovative products.</p><p>And for the record Silverlight 1 and large parts of 2 work on linux.   Also Silverlight is developed for OSX by Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your rant is rediculous.If I 'm ABC and I want to reach as many viewers as humanely possible and Microsoft drops Firefox , Chrome , Safari and OSX support then suddenly I 'm presented with two options : Flash ( which you claim works 100 \ % of everywhere ) or Silverlight .
Which do I pick ?
Flash of course .
There is one less Silverlight customer.Flash and Silverlight offer an experience which is impossible through OSS .
So while open standards has been dicking around for the better part of a decade with HTML4 .
Flash and Silverlight have offered a superior experience for the customer .
This is n't a case of Microsoft and Adobe creating a competing standard .
This is a case of Microsoft and Adobe offering something which does n't exist.Now I 'm sure in 10 years there 'll be an open source clone .
And we 'll all be hearing about how " Silverlight 12 is totally incompatible and how it 's ruining the world .
" But until there is an open alternative to Flash or Silverlight you 're just bitching that Microsoft and Adobe are actually creating useful and innovative products.And for the record Silverlight 1 and large parts of 2 work on linux .
Also Silverlight is developed for OSX by Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your rant is rediculous.If I'm ABC and I want to reach as many viewers as humanely possible and Microsoft drops Firefox, Chrome, Safari and OSX support then suddenly I'm presented with two options:  Flash (which you claim works 100\% of everywhere) or Silverlight.
Which do I pick?
Flash of course.
There is one less Silverlight customer.Flash and Silverlight offer an experience which is impossible through OSS.
So while open standards has been dicking around for the better part of a decade with HTML4.
Flash and Silverlight have offered a superior experience for the customer.
This isn't a case of Microsoft and Adobe creating a competing standard.
This is a case of Microsoft and Adobe offering something which doesn't exist.Now I'm sure in 10 years there'll be an open source clone.
And we'll all be hearing about how "Silverlight 12 is totally incompatible and how it's ruining the world.
"  But until there is an open alternative to Flash or Silverlight you're just bitching that Microsoft and Adobe are actually creating useful and innovative products.And for the record Silverlight 1 and large parts of 2 work on linux.
Also Silverlight is developed for OSX by Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321811</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244924700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amd HTML5 will do much of the video streaming and onscreen animation that flash and silverlight are offering, but is an actual open standard. I tolerate flash, but silverlight is not getting anywhere near my machines, Windows, OS X or Linux. Now I see it can install apps and updates directly to the desktop, and is based on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net/mono - absolutely no way!<br>Novell - for some reason they keep shipping this crapware called tomboy on their distros, that required mono. It is the single largest resource consuming app on my machine at boot time. And its just a frikken desktop note-pad app.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amd HTML5 will do much of the video streaming and onscreen animation that flash and silverlight are offering , but is an actual open standard .
I tolerate flash , but silverlight is not getting anywhere near my machines , Windows , OS X or Linux .
Now I see it can install apps and updates directly to the desktop , and is based on .net/mono - absolutely no way ! Novell - for some reason they keep shipping this crapware called tomboy on their distros , that required mono .
It is the single largest resource consuming app on my machine at boot time .
And its just a frikken desktop note-pad app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amd HTML5 will do much of the video streaming and onscreen animation that flash and silverlight are offering, but is an actual open standard.
I tolerate flash, but silverlight is not getting anywhere near my machines, Windows, OS X or Linux.
Now I see it can install apps and updates directly to the desktop, and is based on .net/mono - absolutely no way!Novell - for some reason they keep shipping this crapware called tomboy on their distros, that required mono.
It is the single largest resource consuming app on my machine at boot time.
And its just a frikken desktop note-pad app.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320473</id>
	<title>Re:This is what adobe should do</title>
	<author>kpdvx</author>
	<datestamp>1244913780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fwiw, Adobe already<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/has/ open-sourced Flex, the Flash framework that really makes Flash useful for developing RIAs (they haven't open-sourced their compiler, I don't believe, but all of the Flex ActionScript is available). I'm a Flash/Flex developer, and at least a few times a week I grep through their source code to figure out how to do something, or how to change something about a built-in component, etc. Adobe has also released a specification for their swf file format, available at <a href="http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/" title="adobe.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/</a> [adobe.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fwiw , Adobe already /has/ open-sourced Flex , the Flash framework that really makes Flash useful for developing RIAs ( they have n't open-sourced their compiler , I do n't believe , but all of the Flex ActionScript is available ) .
I 'm a Flash/Flex developer , and at least a few times a week I grep through their source code to figure out how to do something , or how to change something about a built-in component , etc .
Adobe has also released a specification for their swf file format , available at http : //www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ [ adobe.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fwiw, Adobe already /has/ open-sourced Flex, the Flash framework that really makes Flash useful for developing RIAs (they haven't open-sourced their compiler, I don't believe, but all of the Flex ActionScript is available).
I'm a Flash/Flex developer, and at least a few times a week I grep through their source code to figure out how to do something, or how to change something about a built-in component, etc.
Adobe has also released a specification for their swf file format, available at http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ [adobe.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321637</id>
	<title>xhtml+css+javascript == a PITA</title>
	<author>McBeer</author>
	<datestamp>1244923200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I see a lot of people here advocating javascript+xhtml+css over silverlight.  I have to assume you've never actually used silverlight, because anybody who has would see that it is immensely easier.  XAML makes way more sense then xhtml+css.  C# is way easier to maintain then Javascript.  The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net library has way more functionality then anything Javascript has to offer.<br> <br>Simple example: A 3 column layout in xaml:<br> <br>
&lt;Canvas x:Name="LayoutRoot"&gt;<br>
  &lt;Rectangle Fill="#BBBBFFFF" Width="800" HorizontalAlignment="Center"/&gt;<br>
&lt;/Canvas\%gt;<br>
<br> <br>
As simple as this is, html+css simply can't do it.  <a href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/" title="alistapart.com" rel="nofollow">At best you can kind of fake it</a> [alistapart.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see a lot of people here advocating javascript + xhtml + css over silverlight .
I have to assume you 've never actually used silverlight , because anybody who has would see that it is immensely easier .
XAML makes way more sense then xhtml + css .
C # is way easier to maintain then Javascript .
The .net library has way more functionality then anything Javascript has to offer .
Simple example : A 3 column layout in xaml : As simple as this is , html + css simply ca n't do it .
At best you can kind of fake it [ alistapart.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see a lot of people here advocating javascript+xhtml+css over silverlight.
I have to assume you've never actually used silverlight, because anybody who has would see that it is immensely easier.
XAML makes way more sense then xhtml+css.
C# is way easier to maintain then Javascript.
The .net library has way more functionality then anything Javascript has to offer.
Simple example: A 3 column layout in xaml: 

  

 
As simple as this is, html+css simply can't do it.
At best you can kind of fake it [alistapart.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319397</id>
	<title>securly install Silverlight  on the desktop</title>
	<author>viralMeme</author>
	<datestamp>1244903640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>'<i>No longer do developers need to build desktop WPF apps based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs, as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight apps on the desktop, update them in place, detect Net connectivity state changes, and store data locally and securely</i>'<br> <br>

I don't have admin rights on this computer and how does installing some remote app make this computer more not less secure?</htmltext>
<tokenext>'No longer do developers need to build desktop WPF apps based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs , as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight apps on the desktop , update them in place , detect Net connectivity state changes , and store data locally and securely ' I do n't have admin rights on this computer and how does installing some remote app make this computer more not less secure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'No longer do developers need to build desktop WPF apps based loosely on corresponding Silverlight RIAs, as Silverlight 3 adds the ability to install Silverlight apps on the desktop, update them in place, detect Net connectivity state changes, and store data locally and securely' 

I don't have admin rights on this computer and how does installing some remote app make this computer more not less secure?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28323289</id>
	<title>Dirty Tricks History repeating here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244896140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft has a history of attempting to subvert standards based technology.</p><p>Also, for quite a number of years now Microsoft has not supplied a version of its browser for Unix or Linux - especially since being put under pressure to make its browser comply with the published HTML standards - despite having previously supported those popular platforms.</p><p>Also, Microsoft had previously attempted to embrace-extend-extinguish the multi-OS Java platform by modifying it with features that only worked on a Microsoft operating system.</p><p>The Flash browser plugin is available for most if not all major browsers on all major operating systems.</p><p>Silverlight is not available on Unix or Linux platforms. Not sure if it is available on MacOS.</p><p>In your view do you think that Microsoft will behave any differently with Silverlight?</p><p>Do you genuinely believe that MS will in the long term support that browser plugin for all major browsers on all major platforms?</p><p>While I would hope that would be the case, I do not trust MS to behave any differently from its entire history to date, of entirely attempting to kill any and all products or services offered by any organisation or corporation that it perceives to be a threat or competitor in a "market" that Microsoft is either already dominating or is seeking to dominate.</p><p>In the last browser war as soon as Microsoft had killed its opposition it stopped actively developing its browser.</p><p>Do not be deceived. Silverlight is Microsoft's attempt to kill Adobe/Shockwave Flash. Microsoft also attempted to kill the standards approved "PDF" Portable Document File format originally developed by Adobe and freely available on all major platforms and many minor ones too.</p><p>We are now experiencing a Browser Plugin war being relentlessly waged by Microsoft against Adobe. Does Microsoft really deserve your support to help it kill Adobe? If not then why do you have Silverlight or "Moonlight" installed on your computer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft has a history of attempting to subvert standards based technology.Also , for quite a number of years now Microsoft has not supplied a version of its browser for Unix or Linux - especially since being put under pressure to make its browser comply with the published HTML standards - despite having previously supported those popular platforms.Also , Microsoft had previously attempted to embrace-extend-extinguish the multi-OS Java platform by modifying it with features that only worked on a Microsoft operating system.The Flash browser plugin is available for most if not all major browsers on all major operating systems.Silverlight is not available on Unix or Linux platforms .
Not sure if it is available on MacOS.In your view do you think that Microsoft will behave any differently with Silverlight ? Do you genuinely believe that MS will in the long term support that browser plugin for all major browsers on all major platforms ? While I would hope that would be the case , I do not trust MS to behave any differently from its entire history to date , of entirely attempting to kill any and all products or services offered by any organisation or corporation that it perceives to be a threat or competitor in a " market " that Microsoft is either already dominating or is seeking to dominate.In the last browser war as soon as Microsoft had killed its opposition it stopped actively developing its browser.Do not be deceived .
Silverlight is Microsoft 's attempt to kill Adobe/Shockwave Flash .
Microsoft also attempted to kill the standards approved " PDF " Portable Document File format originally developed by Adobe and freely available on all major platforms and many minor ones too.We are now experiencing a Browser Plugin war being relentlessly waged by Microsoft against Adobe .
Does Microsoft really deserve your support to help it kill Adobe ?
If not then why do you have Silverlight or " Moonlight " installed on your computer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft has a history of attempting to subvert standards based technology.Also, for quite a number of years now Microsoft has not supplied a version of its browser for Unix or Linux - especially since being put under pressure to make its browser comply with the published HTML standards - despite having previously supported those popular platforms.Also, Microsoft had previously attempted to embrace-extend-extinguish the multi-OS Java platform by modifying it with features that only worked on a Microsoft operating system.The Flash browser plugin is available for most if not all major browsers on all major operating systems.Silverlight is not available on Unix or Linux platforms.
Not sure if it is available on MacOS.In your view do you think that Microsoft will behave any differently with Silverlight?Do you genuinely believe that MS will in the long term support that browser plugin for all major browsers on all major platforms?While I would hope that would be the case, I do not trust MS to behave any differently from its entire history to date, of entirely attempting to kill any and all products or services offered by any organisation or corporation that it perceives to be a threat or competitor in a "market" that Microsoft is either already dominating or is seeking to dominate.In the last browser war as soon as Microsoft had killed its opposition it stopped actively developing its browser.Do not be deceived.
Silverlight is Microsoft's attempt to kill Adobe/Shockwave Flash.
Microsoft also attempted to kill the standards approved "PDF" Portable Document File format originally developed by Adobe and freely available on all major platforms and many minor ones too.We are now experiencing a Browser Plugin war being relentlessly waged by Microsoft against Adobe.
Does Microsoft really deserve your support to help it kill Adobe?
If not then why do you have Silverlight or "Moonlight" installed on your computer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319163</id>
	<title>Re:Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>GF678</author>
	<datestamp>1244900940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What about portability<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... open standards<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... interoperability.</p></div></blockquote><p>No-one cares about such things in the real world. Everyone uses Windows, remember?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm... or is it?</p><p>Doesn't seem to matter much. Slashdotters want such things, business don't care, because such benefits aren't seen when the vast majority of people are using Windows. I see it time and time again - we are losing the battle for open standards. If Silverlight and other proprietary technologies are GAINING prominence, how can we win?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about portability ... open standards ... interoperability.No-one cares about such things in the real world .
Everyone uses Windows , remember ?
/sarcasm... or is it ? Does n't seem to matter much .
Slashdotters want such things , business do n't care , because such benefits are n't seen when the vast majority of people are using Windows .
I see it time and time again - we are losing the battle for open standards .
If Silverlight and other proprietary technologies are GAINING prominence , how can we win ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about portability ... open standards ... interoperability.No-one cares about such things in the real world.
Everyone uses Windows, remember?
/sarcasm... or is it?Doesn't seem to matter much.
Slashdotters want such things, business don't care, because such benefits aren't seen when the vast majority of people are using Windows.
I see it time and time again - we are losing the battle for open standards.
If Silverlight and other proprietary technologies are GAINING prominence, how can we win?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321843</id>
	<title>Re:But will it run on linux?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244925000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"But will it run on linux?"</p><p>No one cares.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" But will it run on linux ?
" No one cares .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But will it run on linux?
"No one cares.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28323013</id>
	<title>Re:Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>spitzak</author>
	<datestamp>1244893080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe Microsoft is making an even bigger token effort in interoperabilty, actually.</p><p>In both cases it is token, however.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe Microsoft is making an even bigger token effort in interoperabilty , actually.In both cases it is token , however .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe Microsoft is making an even bigger token effort in interoperabilty, actually.In both cases it is token, however.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320443</id>
	<title>The Old Librarian fallacy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244913480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some people see the web as being like an early library, with beelions and beelions of books to be searched. However, they don't like these newfangled 'movies' or 'records' because they are in binary formats and aren't composed of text, which is all that the purists think belong in the library.</p><p>Yet, in modern libraries, movies and music are integral, despite not being text. On the web, RIAs provide experiences that aren't available in other formats, yet the Old Librarians of the Web don't like them and want to eliminate them, because they're not text, or because the Librarians say that one day, someone will make a 'book' that kinda sorta does what RIAs do now, but the new format will be approved by the Old Librarians. I suppose there was once resistance in the Iibrary community about buying proprietary movie projectors and phonographs to access this content with, which sure seems silly today. If it were up to the Old Librarians, libraries today would only have books, and the web would only be text, and everybody would be using Lynx. Good thing the Old Librarians are limited to Slashdot ranting!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people see the web as being like an early library , with beelions and beelions of books to be searched .
However , they do n't like these newfangled 'movies ' or 'records ' because they are in binary formats and are n't composed of text , which is all that the purists think belong in the library.Yet , in modern libraries , movies and music are integral , despite not being text .
On the web , RIAs provide experiences that are n't available in other formats , yet the Old Librarians of the Web do n't like them and want to eliminate them , because they 're not text , or because the Librarians say that one day , someone will make a 'book ' that kinda sorta does what RIAs do now , but the new format will be approved by the Old Librarians .
I suppose there was once resistance in the Iibrary community about buying proprietary movie projectors and phonographs to access this content with , which sure seems silly today .
If it were up to the Old Librarians , libraries today would only have books , and the web would only be text , and everybody would be using Lynx .
Good thing the Old Librarians are limited to Slashdot ranting !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people see the web as being like an early library, with beelions and beelions of books to be searched.
However, they don't like these newfangled 'movies' or 'records' because they are in binary formats and aren't composed of text, which is all that the purists think belong in the library.Yet, in modern libraries, movies and music are integral, despite not being text.
On the web, RIAs provide experiences that aren't available in other formats, yet the Old Librarians of the Web don't like them and want to eliminate them, because they're not text, or because the Librarians say that one day, someone will make a 'book' that kinda sorta does what RIAs do now, but the new format will be approved by the Old Librarians.
I suppose there was once resistance in the Iibrary community about buying proprietary movie projectors and phonographs to access this content with, which sure seems silly today.
If it were up to the Old Librarians, libraries today would only have books, and the web would only be text, and everybody would be using Lynx.
Good thing the Old Librarians are limited to Slashdot ranting!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321609</id>
	<title>Re:Balkanization of the web</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1244922960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That's the crazy amount of damage Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Real and the MPEG4 LA have collectively wreaked on the web at large.</i> </p><p>You can't stop these guys.</p><p>Napster. Amazon, Hulu, MySpace, Twitter - something new - something corporate - it has happened before. It will happen again.</p><p>And to perfectly blunt, the damage they cause is mostly to the geek's bruised ego - he can't let go the thought that the Internet was once his private playground.</p><p>The geek places his bets on Dirac -<br>while Flash becomes the de facto standard for video.</p><p> The entrepreneur takes the hyper-sonic out of L.A. He can afford it - and he doesn't give a damn about political correctness.</p><p> The standards committee the bone-breaker local from Hampstead.</p><p>The standards committee is riven by ideological, economic, corporate and nationalist rivalries. It tends to codify existing practice. It tries to please everyone.</p><p>Much is left open to interpretation.</p><p> It achieves too little and moves too late.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the crazy amount of damage Microsoft , Apple , Adobe , Real and the MPEG4 LA have collectively wreaked on the web at large .
You ca n't stop these guys.Napster .
Amazon , Hulu , MySpace , Twitter - something new - something corporate - it has happened before .
It will happen again.And to perfectly blunt , the damage they cause is mostly to the geek 's bruised ego - he ca n't let go the thought that the Internet was once his private playground.The geek places his bets on Dirac -while Flash becomes the de facto standard for video .
The entrepreneur takes the hyper-sonic out of L.A. He can afford it - and he does n't give a damn about political correctness .
The standards committee the bone-breaker local from Hampstead.The standards committee is riven by ideological , economic , corporate and nationalist rivalries .
It tends to codify existing practice .
It tries to please everyone.Much is left open to interpretation .
It achieves too little and moves too late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the crazy amount of damage Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Real and the MPEG4 LA have collectively wreaked on the web at large.
You can't stop these guys.Napster.
Amazon, Hulu, MySpace, Twitter - something new - something corporate - it has happened before.
It will happen again.And to perfectly blunt, the damage they cause is mostly to the geek's bruised ego - he can't let go the thought that the Internet was once his private playground.The geek places his bets on Dirac -while Flash becomes the de facto standard for video.
The entrepreneur takes the hyper-sonic out of L.A. He can afford it - and he doesn't give a damn about political correctness.
The standards committee the bone-breaker local from Hampstead.The standards committee is riven by ideological, economic, corporate and nationalist rivalries.
It tends to codify existing practice.
It tries to please everyone.Much is left open to interpretation.
It achieves too little and moves too late.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319483</id>
	<title>Re:This is what adobe should do</title>
	<author>Lorien\_the\_first\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1244904540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's probably going to be a good thing.  But I think it's going to have to start from the browser side.  I like what Google is doing with Chrome in that respect.  They have the capability to distribute and support a browser that will encourage or maybe even require open standards on the web.
<br> <br>
So while we do have a few companies seeking their own private monopolies, choosing a browser that requires open standards to render will register as feedback to the various websites we visit.  Remember that each browser "identifies" itself.  I guess it's a chicken or the egg thing, but the more people can choose replacements for the "big-blue-E", the better.  At least Google and Mozilla are creating choices that are easy to acquire and install.
<br> <br>
I believe that it starts on the browser side.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's probably going to be a good thing .
But I think it 's going to have to start from the browser side .
I like what Google is doing with Chrome in that respect .
They have the capability to distribute and support a browser that will encourage or maybe even require open standards on the web .
So while we do have a few companies seeking their own private monopolies , choosing a browser that requires open standards to render will register as feedback to the various websites we visit .
Remember that each browser " identifies " itself .
I guess it 's a chicken or the egg thing , but the more people can choose replacements for the " big-blue-E " , the better .
At least Google and Mozilla are creating choices that are easy to acquire and install .
I believe that it starts on the browser side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's probably going to be a good thing.
But I think it's going to have to start from the browser side.
I like what Google is doing with Chrome in that respect.
They have the capability to distribute and support a browser that will encourage or maybe even require open standards on the web.
So while we do have a few companies seeking their own private monopolies, choosing a browser that requires open standards to render will register as feedback to the various websites we visit.
Remember that each browser "identifies" itself.
I guess it's a chicken or the egg thing, but the more people can choose replacements for the "big-blue-E", the better.
At least Google and Mozilla are creating choices that are easy to acquire and install.
I believe that it starts on the browser side.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320427</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1244913420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be fair, I have actually heard of Java FX, but as with Java I've just never come across it in use. Similarly I understand Java has come along leaps and bounds in terms of performance and I've seen some great Java desktop apps, but on the applet front I've still yet to see anything that shows it off as a viable platform. Of course, that's not to say it isn't just that I've not seen it to compare, I have at least seen Silverlight in use in a few places and it does seem to be able to hold it's own against Flash at least.</p><p>Perhaps the real issue for Sun then (well, Oracle now) is that they just need to do more on the promotion front? Microsoft spent a fortune pushing Silverlight into some prominent places such as the Olympics etc. maybe Sun/Oracle now need to do the same to demonstrate that Java is a viable RIA platform now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , I have actually heard of Java FX , but as with Java I 've just never come across it in use .
Similarly I understand Java has come along leaps and bounds in terms of performance and I 've seen some great Java desktop apps , but on the applet front I 've still yet to see anything that shows it off as a viable platform .
Of course , that 's not to say it is n't just that I 've not seen it to compare , I have at least seen Silverlight in use in a few places and it does seem to be able to hold it 's own against Flash at least.Perhaps the real issue for Sun then ( well , Oracle now ) is that they just need to do more on the promotion front ?
Microsoft spent a fortune pushing Silverlight into some prominent places such as the Olympics etc .
maybe Sun/Oracle now need to do the same to demonstrate that Java is a viable RIA platform now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, I have actually heard of Java FX, but as with Java I've just never come across it in use.
Similarly I understand Java has come along leaps and bounds in terms of performance and I've seen some great Java desktop apps, but on the applet front I've still yet to see anything that shows it off as a viable platform.
Of course, that's not to say it isn't just that I've not seen it to compare, I have at least seen Silverlight in use in a few places and it does seem to be able to hold it's own against Flash at least.Perhaps the real issue for Sun then (well, Oracle now) is that they just need to do more on the promotion front?
Microsoft spent a fortune pushing Silverlight into some prominent places such as the Olympics etc.
maybe Sun/Oracle now need to do the same to demonstrate that Java is a viable RIA platform now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28332049</id>
	<title>Flash/Flex APIs vs Silverlight/.Net</title>
	<author>mwkohout</author>
	<datestamp>1245003060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Java developer who has over the last couple of years taken a tour of the different RIA frameworks, I find Silverlight fantastic.</p><p>Flash, if you're a designer is awesome.   But personally, as a developer, I found the environment pretty basic compared to server side java.  Flex Builder is kind of crappy(at least as of 6 months ago), lacking many features even free Eclipse-based tools provide (such as meaningful refactoring).  And the programming api outside the gui toolkit is only skin deep.  And, which really makes me sad, no eval() in the runtime.</p><p>Meanwhile, with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net/Silverlight, you've got oodles of libs, a pretty decent IDE, tons of great books, and REALLY NEAT projects like the DLR(which is a way to get eval() in this environment, and a whole lot more).  Plus, eventually, you'll be able to run full SL apps on your phone with windows mobile 6 + Symbian.  For this working developer whose resources are constrained by time and money, this sounds like a real coup.</p><p>Love Microsoft or hate it, Moonlight/Silverlight is something devs should be excited about.</p><p>I also hope Adobe learns from it for future versions of Flex/Flash, continuing to drive innovation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Java developer who has over the last couple of years taken a tour of the different RIA frameworks , I find Silverlight fantastic.Flash , if you 're a designer is awesome .
But personally , as a developer , I found the environment pretty basic compared to server side java .
Flex Builder is kind of crappy ( at least as of 6 months ago ) , lacking many features even free Eclipse-based tools provide ( such as meaningful refactoring ) .
And the programming api outside the gui toolkit is only skin deep .
And , which really makes me sad , no eval ( ) in the runtime.Meanwhile , with .Net/Silverlight , you 've got oodles of libs , a pretty decent IDE , tons of great books , and REALLY NEAT projects like the DLR ( which is a way to get eval ( ) in this environment , and a whole lot more ) .
Plus , eventually , you 'll be able to run full SL apps on your phone with windows mobile 6 + Symbian .
For this working developer whose resources are constrained by time and money , this sounds like a real coup.Love Microsoft or hate it , Moonlight/Silverlight is something devs should be excited about.I also hope Adobe learns from it for future versions of Flex/Flash , continuing to drive innovation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Java developer who has over the last couple of years taken a tour of the different RIA frameworks, I find Silverlight fantastic.Flash, if you're a designer is awesome.
But personally, as a developer, I found the environment pretty basic compared to server side java.
Flex Builder is kind of crappy(at least as of 6 months ago), lacking many features even free Eclipse-based tools provide (such as meaningful refactoring).
And the programming api outside the gui toolkit is only skin deep.
And, which really makes me sad, no eval() in the runtime.Meanwhile, with .Net/Silverlight, you've got oodles of libs, a pretty decent IDE, tons of great books, and REALLY NEAT projects like the DLR(which is a way to get eval() in this environment, and a whole lot more).
Plus, eventually, you'll be able to run full SL apps on your phone with windows mobile 6 + Symbian.
For this working developer whose resources are constrained by time and money, this sounds like a real coup.Love Microsoft or hate it, Moonlight/Silverlight is something devs should be excited about.I also hope Adobe learns from it for future versions of Flex/Flash, continuing to drive innovation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318895</id>
	<title>Who needs this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244896980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where was the need for it? Why? Just because MS made something, there suddenly should be need for it?</p><p>Who are they to decide what the world needs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where was the need for it ?
Why ? Just because MS made something , there suddenly should be need for it ? Who are they to decide what the world needs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where was the need for it?
Why? Just because MS made something, there suddenly should be need for it?Who are they to decide what the world needs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320853</id>
	<title>Silverlight's published standards + Moonlight</title>
	<author>benwaggoner</author>
	<datestamp>1244916960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Silverlight is essentially<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET bytecode + XAML markup + media<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET ECMA spec:  <a href="http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm" title="ecma-international.org">http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm</a> [ecma-international.org]</p><p>Silverlight XAML spec (under Open Specification Promise):<br><a href="http://blogs.windowsclient.net/rob\_relyea/archive/2008/10/14/ms-slxv-silverlight-xaml-vocabulary-2008-specification-v0-9-published.aspx" title="windowsclient.net">http://blogs.windowsclient.net/rob\_relyea/archive/2008/10/14/ms-slxv-silverlight-xaml-vocabulary-2008-specification-v0-9-published.aspx</a> [windowsclient.net]</p><p>Media is MPEG-4 or MP3 (ISO), Windows Media (VC-1 is a SMPTE spec), and the Raw AV pipeline for extensitbilty to aribtrary codecs.</p><p>As for interoperabilty and portability, how about a GPL'ed clean room implementation?<br><a href="http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight" title="mono-project.com">http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight</a> [mono-project.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Silverlight is essentially .NET bytecode + XAML markup + media .NET ECMA spec : http : //www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm [ ecma-international.org ] Silverlight XAML spec ( under Open Specification Promise ) : http : //blogs.windowsclient.net/rob \ _relyea/archive/2008/10/14/ms-slxv-silverlight-xaml-vocabulary-2008-specification-v0-9-published.aspx [ windowsclient.net ] Media is MPEG-4 or MP3 ( ISO ) , Windows Media ( VC-1 is a SMPTE spec ) , and the Raw AV pipeline for extensitbilty to aribtrary codecs.As for interoperabilty and portability , how about a GPL'ed clean room implementation ? http : //www.mono-project.com/Moonlight [ mono-project.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silverlight is essentially .NET bytecode + XAML markup + media .NET ECMA spec:  http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm [ecma-international.org]Silverlight XAML spec (under Open Specification Promise):http://blogs.windowsclient.net/rob\_relyea/archive/2008/10/14/ms-slxv-silverlight-xaml-vocabulary-2008-specification-v0-9-published.aspx [windowsclient.net]Media is MPEG-4 or MP3 (ISO), Windows Media (VC-1 is a SMPTE spec), and the Raw AV pipeline for extensitbilty to aribtrary codecs.As for interoperabilty and portability, how about a GPL'ed clean room implementation?http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight [mono-project.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319843</id>
	<title>Re:This is what adobe should do</title>
	<author>christurkel</author>
	<datestamp>1244908380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly. I see a repeat of the browser wars here. If Adobe doesn't do something radical, and soon, flash is going to relegated to the dustbin of history.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
I see a repeat of the browser wars here .
If Adobe does n't do something radical , and soon , flash is going to relegated to the dustbin of history .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
I see a repeat of the browser wars here.
If Adobe doesn't do something radical, and soon, flash is going to relegated to the dustbin of history.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318925</id>
	<title>Re:I'll pass.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244897280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's this, you say? An anti-Microsoft post on Slashdot with 100\% opinion, 0\% content or information, modded up to Informative? Say it ain't so!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's this , you say ?
An anti-Microsoft post on Slashdot with 100 \ % opinion , 0 \ % content or information , modded up to Informative ?
Say it ai n't so !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's this, you say?
An anti-Microsoft post on Slashdot with 100\% opinion, 0\% content or information, modded up to Informative?
Say it ain't so!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28324307</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244909640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Java<br>&gt;Performing as hoped</p><p>&gt;laughingelfman.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Java &gt; Performing as hoped &gt; laughingelfman.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Java&gt;Performing as hoped&gt;laughingelfman.jpg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28322363</id>
	<title>Re:Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>microbee</author>
	<datestamp>1244887080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you can filter such stories yourself and pretend they don't exist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you can filter such stories yourself and pretend they do n't exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you can filter such stories yourself and pretend they don't exist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321687</id>
	<title>SILVERLIGHT IS NOT WINDOWS ONLY</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244923680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is an OSS port of Silverlight (<a href="http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight" title="mono-project.com" rel="nofollow">Moonlight</a> [mono-project.com]), that Microsoft has done all that can be reasonably expected to support.  If this project is inferior to the Windows version, that is a failing of the OSS development model and not of Silverlight or Microsoft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an OSS port of Silverlight ( Moonlight [ mono-project.com ] ) , that Microsoft has done all that can be reasonably expected to support .
If this project is inferior to the Windows version , that is a failing of the OSS development model and not of Silverlight or Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an OSS port of Silverlight (Moonlight [mono-project.com]), that Microsoft has done all that can be reasonably expected to support.
If this project is inferior to the Windows version, that is a failing of the OSS development model and not of Silverlight or Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318901</id>
	<title>Re:I'll pass.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244897040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Citation needed. only on slashdot a post like parent's can be modded "insightful". And no, saying ItS JuSt M$It is not a valid argument.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Citation needed .
only on slashdot a post like parent 's can be modded " insightful " .
And no , saying ItS JuSt M $ It is not a valid argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Citation needed.
only on slashdot a post like parent's can be modded "insightful".
And no, saying ItS JuSt M$It is not a valid argument.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319647</id>
	<title>Silverlight obscurity</title>
	<author>MITpianoman</author>
	<datestamp>1244906220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're already on version 3? I had no idea there was a v2</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're already on version 3 ?
I had no idea there was a v2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're already on version 3?
I had no idea there was a v2</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319255</id>
	<title>Re:Will Miguel de Iguaza support Silverlight, too.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244902020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Say what you want but it's nice to see an open source developer playing well with proprietary technologies.<br>I don't agree with his excessive support to Microsoft, but when it comes down to it, this dispels the myth that open source developers write software because of their hate rather than love. Not everyone hates Microsoft (ok, maybe except for some frontend web developers that live in a world of hurt) but some people just like writing code and the more people can use their code the better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Say what you want but it 's nice to see an open source developer playing well with proprietary technologies.I do n't agree with his excessive support to Microsoft , but when it comes down to it , this dispels the myth that open source developers write software because of their hate rather than love .
Not everyone hates Microsoft ( ok , maybe except for some frontend web developers that live in a world of hurt ) but some people just like writing code and the more people can use their code the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say what you want but it's nice to see an open source developer playing well with proprietary technologies.I don't agree with his excessive support to Microsoft, but when it comes down to it, this dispels the myth that open source developers write software because of their hate rather than love.
Not everyone hates Microsoft (ok, maybe except for some frontend web developers that live in a world of hurt) but some people just like writing code and the more people can use their code the better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28324889</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244919660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>One thing the European Union did was to make Microsoft open up it's API's for a nominal sum, however the <a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39327075,00.htm" title="zdnet.co.uk" rel="nofollow"> article </a> [zdnet.co.uk] listed from 2008 and by this time Microsoft may have somehow got around their commitment. It is not so much having the API's for Silverlight to create the equivalent Moonlight (version 2.0 at the time of this post) for Linux but will all the Silverlight API's be available for developers.<p><div class="quote"><p>I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing, if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product.</p></div><p>I definitely do agree with you here but Microsoft has a history of making sure their product is that much better than their competition by just withholding information. They are not supposed to do this now but US justice won't do much unless the act is ridiculously blatant and while the EU will prosecute Microsoft it takes time for the case to be raised, tried and a verdict handed down. Even if Microsoft do loose to litigation the fines imposed are small change compared to the advantages they have already received. Microsoft as a corporate entity know this and are quite happy to bend the rules even if it means substantial fines down the time track. <br>
<br>
It must be noted that Microsoft does not break the Law of the country they work in, in fact they go out of their way not to. Bend or skirt close to being illegal yes (ethics means nothing to business although many do pay lip service to them) but from their corporate perspective this is their way of doing business. The reason for this is if you break a countries laws then individual people start facing jail terms and this is the last think Microsoft wants no matter how much of an advantage this would give them, because then they become a very big target for litigation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing the European Union did was to make Microsoft open up it 's API 's for a nominal sum , however the article [ zdnet.co.uk ] listed from 2008 and by this time Microsoft may have somehow got around their commitment .
It is not so much having the API 's for Silverlight to create the equivalent Moonlight ( version 2.0 at the time of this post ) for Linux but will all the Silverlight API 's be available for developers.I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing , if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product.I definitely do agree with you here but Microsoft has a history of making sure their product is that much better than their competition by just withholding information .
They are not supposed to do this now but US justice wo n't do much unless the act is ridiculously blatant and while the EU will prosecute Microsoft it takes time for the case to be raised , tried and a verdict handed down .
Even if Microsoft do loose to litigation the fines imposed are small change compared to the advantages they have already received .
Microsoft as a corporate entity know this and are quite happy to bend the rules even if it means substantial fines down the time track .
It must be noted that Microsoft does not break the Law of the country they work in , in fact they go out of their way not to .
Bend or skirt close to being illegal yes ( ethics means nothing to business although many do pay lip service to them ) but from their corporate perspective this is their way of doing business .
The reason for this is if you break a countries laws then individual people start facing jail terms and this is the last think Microsoft wants no matter how much of an advantage this would give them , because then they become a very big target for litigation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing the European Union did was to make Microsoft open up it's API's for a nominal sum, however the  article  [zdnet.co.uk] listed from 2008 and by this time Microsoft may have somehow got around their commitment.
It is not so much having the API's for Silverlight to create the equivalent Moonlight (version 2.0 at the time of this post) for Linux but will all the Silverlight API's be available for developers.I think Silverlight is possibly a good thing, if not only because even in the worst case it forces Adobe to make Flash a better product.I definitely do agree with you here but Microsoft has a history of making sure their product is that much better than their competition by just withholding information.
They are not supposed to do this now but US justice won't do much unless the act is ridiculously blatant and while the EU will prosecute Microsoft it takes time for the case to be raised, tried and a verdict handed down.
Even if Microsoft do loose to litigation the fines imposed are small change compared to the advantages they have already received.
Microsoft as a corporate entity know this and are quite happy to bend the rules even if it means substantial fines down the time track.
It must be noted that Microsoft does not break the Law of the country they work in, in fact they go out of their way not to.
Bend or skirt close to being illegal yes (ethics means nothing to business although many do pay lip service to them) but from their corporate perspective this is their way of doing business.
The reason for this is if you break a countries laws then individual people start facing jail terms and this is the last think Microsoft wants no matter how much of an advantage this would give them, because then they become a very big target for litigation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321047</id>
	<title>Re:Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244918280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as you have contempt for your users and put your own priorities before theirs you won't win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as you have contempt for your users and put your own priorities before theirs you wo n't win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as you have contempt for your users and put your own priorities before theirs you won't win.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319057</id>
	<title>This is what adobe should do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244899380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For Silverlight, the only direction it had to go was "up". I mean, it had an almost zero percent installed base. Now if I were Adobe, I would seriously consider open sourcing Flash and all technologies around it. Otherwise Adobe will only continue to lose market share to Silverlight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For Silverlight , the only direction it had to go was " up " .
I mean , it had an almost zero percent installed base .
Now if I were Adobe , I would seriously consider open sourcing Flash and all technologies around it .
Otherwise Adobe will only continue to lose market share to Silverlight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For Silverlight, the only direction it had to go was "up".
I mean, it had an almost zero percent installed base.
Now if I were Adobe, I would seriously consider open sourcing Flash and all technologies around it.
Otherwise Adobe will only continue to lose market share to Silverlight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319025</id>
	<title>Silverlight is becoming ... Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244898840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Applications that can be run in the browser or installed on the desktop? Java's had both for many years (applets and webstart).</p><p>Ability to update desktop apps? Webstart again.</p><p>Access to a rich, general purpose library? Yup, Java provides that - and it's very similar to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET for some reason.</p><p>So suddenly the old thing is the new thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Applications that can be run in the browser or installed on the desktop ?
Java 's had both for many years ( applets and webstart ) .Ability to update desktop apps ?
Webstart again.Access to a rich , general purpose library ?
Yup , Java provides that - and it 's very similar to .NET for some reason.So suddenly the old thing is the new thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Applications that can be run in the browser or installed on the desktop?
Java's had both for many years (applets and webstart).Ability to update desktop apps?
Webstart again.Access to a rich, general purpose library?
Yup, Java provides that - and it's very similar to .NET for some reason.So suddenly the old thing is the new thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318933</id>
	<title>Re:I'll pass.</title>
	<author>upuv</author>
	<datestamp>1244897340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It does have the skid mark of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET on it doesn't it.   I feel dirty researching one those rare moments of insanity when look at WinTel horror.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does have the skid mark of .NET on it does n't it .
I feel dirty researching one those rare moments of insanity when look at WinTel horror .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does have the skid mark of .NET on it doesn't it.
I feel dirty researching one those rare moments of insanity when look at WinTel horror.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318947</id>
	<title>Ad paid by Microsoft?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244897640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Infoworld article looks as though it may be a paid ad.

<br> <br> <i>"Bottom Line:
Microsoft Silverlight 3 is catching up to the capabilities of Adobe Flash, Flex, and AIR in all the areas where Silverlight was behind."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Infoworld article looks as though it may be a paid ad .
" Bottom Line : Microsoft Silverlight 3 is catching up to the capabilities of Adobe Flash , Flex , and AIR in all the areas where Silverlight was behind .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Infoworld article looks as though it may be a paid ad.
"Bottom Line:
Microsoft Silverlight 3 is catching up to the capabilities of Adobe Flash, Flex, and AIR in all the areas where Silverlight was behind.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321101</id>
	<title>It's a trap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244918760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're going to trust the future of rich media/apps on the web to a company that studiedly ignored any progress on their basic web browser for over five years?</p><p>Seriously, the IE 6 fiasco seals it. It was a concrete and persistent demonstration that the company simply does not care about the quality of their products beyond their position in the market, a giant middle finger rising from Redmond to web developers everywhere for the better part of this decade. They sat on a nearly unmatched trove of resources and let said developers waste millions of man hours making things work on a broken if dominant platform for an eternity in the software industry -- essentially <em>stealing time</em> from those developers -- and I don't know if the most rabid reactionary Microsoft hater's hatred has actually reached the depth of contempt that the company deserves for that.</p><p>Part of me recognizes they've been making some awesome stuff, the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET platform really is cool, Seadragon and Silverlight and Photosynth, all good stuff (especially together). I don't care. The fact is, they've spent a long time being the abusive jerk of the computing world, and all the flowers and chocolates and "honey, I can change!" talk in the world shouldn't woo <em>anybody</em> into trusting a Microsoft solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're going to trust the future of rich media/apps on the web to a company that studiedly ignored any progress on their basic web browser for over five years ? Seriously , the IE 6 fiasco seals it .
It was a concrete and persistent demonstration that the company simply does not care about the quality of their products beyond their position in the market , a giant middle finger rising from Redmond to web developers everywhere for the better part of this decade .
They sat on a nearly unmatched trove of resources and let said developers waste millions of man hours making things work on a broken if dominant platform for an eternity in the software industry -- essentially stealing time from those developers -- and I do n't know if the most rabid reactionary Microsoft hater 's hatred has actually reached the depth of contempt that the company deserves for that.Part of me recognizes they 've been making some awesome stuff , the .NET platform really is cool , Seadragon and Silverlight and Photosynth , all good stuff ( especially together ) .
I do n't care .
The fact is , they 've spent a long time being the abusive jerk of the computing world , and all the flowers and chocolates and " honey , I can change !
" talk in the world should n't woo anybody into trusting a Microsoft solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're going to trust the future of rich media/apps on the web to a company that studiedly ignored any progress on their basic web browser for over five years?Seriously, the IE 6 fiasco seals it.
It was a concrete and persistent demonstration that the company simply does not care about the quality of their products beyond their position in the market, a giant middle finger rising from Redmond to web developers everywhere for the better part of this decade.
They sat on a nearly unmatched trove of resources and let said developers waste millions of man hours making things work on a broken if dominant platform for an eternity in the software industry -- essentially stealing time from those developers -- and I don't know if the most rabid reactionary Microsoft hater's hatred has actually reached the depth of contempt that the company deserves for that.Part of me recognizes they've been making some awesome stuff, the .NET platform really is cool, Seadragon and Silverlight and Photosynth, all good stuff (especially together).
I don't care.
The fact is, they've spent a long time being the abusive jerk of the computing world, and all the flowers and chocolates and "honey, I can change!
" talk in the world shouldn't woo anybody into trusting a Microsoft solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321803</id>
	<title>Missing a few details there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244924640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that having relied on computers for a long time now, businesses are beginning to realize that relying on software that isn't interoperable isn't a very good thing for them in the long run.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that having relied on computers for a long time now , businesses are beginning to realize that relying on software that is n't interoperable is n't a very good thing for them in the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that having relied on computers for a long time now, businesses are beginning to realize that relying on software that isn't interoperable isn't a very good thing for them in the long run.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319477</id>
	<title>Advertisement</title>
	<author>blackjackshellac</author>
	<datestamp>1244904480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reads and smells, no make that stinks, like a microsoft advert.  Since the user "snydeg" links to InfoWorld I think that conclusion is at least worth considering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reads and smells , no make that stinks , like a microsoft advert .
Since the user " snydeg " links to InfoWorld I think that conclusion is at least worth considering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reads and smells, no make that stinks, like a microsoft advert.
Since the user "snydeg" links to InfoWorld I think that conclusion is at least worth considering.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318917</id>
	<title>Will Miguel de Iguaza support Silverlight, too...</title>
	<author>G3ckoG33k</author>
	<datestamp>1244897220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The big Q for me is, will Miguel de Iguaza support Silverlight, too... He has a long winding record on playing with fire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big Q for me is , will Miguel de Iguaza support Silverlight , too... He has a long winding record on playing with fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big Q for me is, will Miguel de Iguaza support Silverlight, too... He has a long winding record on playing with fire.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28323745</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1244901120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, the reason applets took forever to load and were sluggish as hell, were that the people making them were idiots.</p><p>Back in 2002 I made an applet (98kB) that would load off a tiny embedded webserver and communicate with said webserver to display (including history) and control the LON enabled nodes in an office building (lights, air conditioning, radiators, water meters, power meters etc).</p><p>The applet would be ready in about 2 seconds and the only 'slow' bit about it was updating the sensors due to the LON controller I was interfacing with (actually its SOAP interface).</p><p>Applets that are used to navigate a website and take up 1+ MB are very much the reason applets are frowned upon as being slow. I can easily make a shell in C that is slow as molasses - this doesn't mean that C nor a shell has to be slow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the reason applets took forever to load and were sluggish as hell , were that the people making them were idiots.Back in 2002 I made an applet ( 98kB ) that would load off a tiny embedded webserver and communicate with said webserver to display ( including history ) and control the LON enabled nodes in an office building ( lights , air conditioning , radiators , water meters , power meters etc ) .The applet would be ready in about 2 seconds and the only 'slow ' bit about it was updating the sensors due to the LON controller I was interfacing with ( actually its SOAP interface ) .Applets that are used to navigate a website and take up 1 + MB are very much the reason applets are frowned upon as being slow .
I can easily make a shell in C that is slow as molasses - this does n't mean that C nor a shell has to be slow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the reason applets took forever to load and were sluggish as hell, were that the people making them were idiots.Back in 2002 I made an applet (98kB) that would load off a tiny embedded webserver and communicate with said webserver to display (including history) and control the LON enabled nodes in an office building (lights, air conditioning, radiators, water meters, power meters etc).The applet would be ready in about 2 seconds and the only 'slow' bit about it was updating the sensors due to the LON controller I was interfacing with (actually its SOAP interface).Applets that are used to navigate a website and take up 1+ MB are very much the reason applets are frowned upon as being slow.
I can easily make a shell in C that is slow as molasses - this doesn't mean that C nor a shell has to be slow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28322705</id>
	<title>Loyal Microsoft minions are loyal.</title>
	<author>Alex Belits</author>
	<datestamp>1244890020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I do expect many Microsoft shops to do more RIAs with Silverlight now that it's more capable and to create lightweight browser/desktop Silverlight 3 applications where they might have fashioned heavier-weight Windows Forms or WPF client applications," Heller says.</p></div><p>In other words, loyal Microsoft followers will use new Microsoft tool that produces Windows-only GUI software instead of older Microsoft tools that produces Windows-only GUI software.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do expect many Microsoft shops to do more RIAs with Silverlight now that it 's more capable and to create lightweight browser/desktop Silverlight 3 applications where they might have fashioned heavier-weight Windows Forms or WPF client applications , " Heller says.In other words , loyal Microsoft followers will use new Microsoft tool that produces Windows-only GUI software instead of older Microsoft tools that produces Windows-only GUI software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do expect many Microsoft shops to do more RIAs with Silverlight now that it's more capable and to create lightweight browser/desktop Silverlight 3 applications where they might have fashioned heavier-weight Windows Forms or WPF client applications," Heller says.In other words, loyal Microsoft followers will use new Microsoft tool that produces Windows-only GUI software instead of older Microsoft tools that produces Windows-only GUI software.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320041</id>
	<title>Re:Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>Foredecker</author>
	<datestamp>1244910420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GF678, the problem is that you focus too much on 'winning' and 'loosing' and not enough on simply building stuff that people want.  In the large (100's of millions of users, and 100's of thousands of business, just want stuff that works, if they are open, so much the better).   There is no religious war here.  There is competition to build things people want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GF678 , the problem is that you focus too much on 'winning ' and 'loosing ' and not enough on simply building stuff that people want .
In the large ( 100 's of millions of users , and 100 's of thousands of business , just want stuff that works , if they are open , so much the better ) .
There is no religious war here .
There is competition to build things people want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GF678, the problem is that you focus too much on 'winning' and 'loosing' and not enough on simply building stuff that people want.
In the large (100's of millions of users, and 100's of thousands of business, just want stuff that works, if they are open, so much the better).
There is no religious war here.
There is competition to build things people want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28323839</id>
	<title>Re:Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1244902260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>. If Silverlight and other proprietary technologies are GAINING prominence, how can we win?</p></div><p>Easy. Just look at Chrome or Firefox: By offering a better product.</p><p>OSS advocates need to realize the reason they haven't made headway in areas except for maybe Apache and Databases is because their products are largely inferior.</p><p>The reason Flash and Silverlight have taken off is because HTML fundamentally sucks at dynamic applications.  The sorts of applications which customers like.  As long as proprietary technologies (such as Windows) are better solutions to the customer than their open alternatives they will win.   There are plenty of examples of open standards that have taken off.  Usually because they're best.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
If Silverlight and other proprietary technologies are GAINING prominence , how can we win ? Easy .
Just look at Chrome or Firefox : By offering a better product.OSS advocates need to realize the reason they have n't made headway in areas except for maybe Apache and Databases is because their products are largely inferior.The reason Flash and Silverlight have taken off is because HTML fundamentally sucks at dynamic applications .
The sorts of applications which customers like .
As long as proprietary technologies ( such as Windows ) are better solutions to the customer than their open alternatives they will win .
There are plenty of examples of open standards that have taken off .
Usually because they 're best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
If Silverlight and other proprietary technologies are GAINING prominence, how can we win?Easy.
Just look at Chrome or Firefox: By offering a better product.OSS advocates need to realize the reason they haven't made headway in areas except for maybe Apache and Databases is because their products are largely inferior.The reason Flash and Silverlight have taken off is because HTML fundamentally sucks at dynamic applications.
The sorts of applications which customers like.
As long as proprietary technologies (such as Windows) are better solutions to the customer than their open alternatives they will win.
There are plenty of examples of open standards that have taken off.
Usually because they're best.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319545</id>
	<title>Re:Mod story flamebait</title>
	<author>tkinnun0</author>
	<datestamp>1244905200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better question, do we want to win, if the winning entry ends up to be the inpenetrable mess that is html+css+javascript?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better question , do we want to win , if the winning entry ends up to be the inpenetrable mess that is html + css + javascript ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better question, do we want to win, if the winning entry ends up to be the inpenetrable mess that is html+css+javascript?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318945</id>
	<title>But will it run on linux?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244897580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/me doesn't care</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No ?
/me does n't care</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No?
/me doesn't care</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28323787</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244901540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it has the word Java in it I don't trust it or want it installed/running (Thanks NoScript!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it has the word Java in it I do n't trust it or want it installed/running ( Thanks NoScript !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it has the word Java in it I don't trust it or want it installed/running (Thanks NoScript!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320139</id>
	<title>Go MIcrosoft!</title>
	<author>oDDmON oUT</author>
	<datestamp>1244911140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I expect Silverlight&#169; to enjoy the same sterling security reputation as the rest of the Microsoft&#174; stable of software, increasing the joy and ease of use customers have come to expect over the years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I expect Silverlight   to enjoy the same sterling security reputation as the rest of the Microsoft   stable of software , increasing the joy and ease of use customers have come to expect over the years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I expect Silverlight© to enjoy the same sterling security reputation as the rest of the Microsoft® stable of software, increasing the joy and ease of use customers have come to expect over the years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320699</id>
	<title>The Cost of Graphical Internet Solutions</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1244915580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What does Siverlight, Moonlight, and Twilight give me?  I have SVG on my Internet Browsers that I test with; they are Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Safari, and IE.  SVG can work with Javascript, and through Javascript access PERL, PHP, Ruby, Python, and any other language that can handle HTTP Posting.  XSLT with my XML can generate SVG, and HTML web pages.  mySQL can SELECT/DELETE/UPDATE just a good as the other brands.  Even Microsoft agrees that Apache is better than IIS.  I think if Microsoft wanted to lead the industry, maybe Animation of SVG would be the direction to go.  There are other paths of Innovation that Microsoft could follow, like Server Side File Processing, and Graphic Format Handling.  These two areas are fertile fields of opportunity.  I think my major concern is even thinking of putting ".NET" anything on any of my machines, or clients machines.  This global recession has definitely accomplished one thing, and that is the initial evaluation of cost outlay of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET to openSource, and the need to have a business partner that will sue you to get their way.  As for Moonlight, and Twilight; my need socialize to with all things junior high ended in the late 1960's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does Siverlight , Moonlight , and Twilight give me ?
I have SVG on my Internet Browsers that I test with ; they are Firefox , Opera , Chrome , Safari , and IE .
SVG can work with Javascript , and through Javascript access PERL , PHP , Ruby , Python , and any other language that can handle HTTP Posting .
XSLT with my XML can generate SVG , and HTML web pages .
mySQL can SELECT/DELETE/UPDATE just a good as the other brands .
Even Microsoft agrees that Apache is better than IIS .
I think if Microsoft wanted to lead the industry , maybe Animation of SVG would be the direction to go .
There are other paths of Innovation that Microsoft could follow , like Server Side File Processing , and Graphic Format Handling .
These two areas are fertile fields of opportunity .
I think my major concern is even thinking of putting " .NET " anything on any of my machines , or clients machines .
This global recession has definitely accomplished one thing , and that is the initial evaluation of cost outlay of .NET to openSource , and the need to have a business partner that will sue you to get their way .
As for Moonlight , and Twilight ; my need socialize to with all things junior high ended in the late 1960 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does Siverlight, Moonlight, and Twilight give me?
I have SVG on my Internet Browsers that I test with; they are Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Safari, and IE.
SVG can work with Javascript, and through Javascript access PERL, PHP, Ruby, Python, and any other language that can handle HTTP Posting.
XSLT with my XML can generate SVG, and HTML web pages.
mySQL can SELECT/DELETE/UPDATE just a good as the other brands.
Even Microsoft agrees that Apache is better than IIS.
I think if Microsoft wanted to lead the industry, maybe Animation of SVG would be the direction to go.
There are other paths of Innovation that Microsoft could follow, like Server Side File Processing, and Graphic Format Handling.
These two areas are fertile fields of opportunity.
I think my major concern is even thinking of putting ".NET" anything on any of my machines, or clients machines.
This global recession has definitely accomplished one thing, and that is the initial evaluation of cost outlay of .NET to openSource, and the need to have a business partner that will sue you to get their way.
As for Moonlight, and Twilight; my need socialize to with all things junior high ended in the late 1960's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319607</id>
	<title>Re:securly install Silverlight on the desktop</title>
	<author>benjymouse</author>
	<datestamp>1244905740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think he was referring to "isolated storage". Basically you can allow "applicatoions" to store data locally on your machine. By default only a limited quota is granted (the application can ask for more and the user has to approve it).

</p><p>The stored data is obfuscated to avoid malicious apps downloading files/scripts and then use social engineering techniques to fool the user into launching them. This allows an app access to data even when offline.

</p><p>Silverlight itself executes inside a pretty restricted sandbox. Silverlight has an impeccable security record Secunia reports zero vulnerabilities in both SL1 and SL2. That is not to say that there are no vulns in SL. But at least compared to Flash it's quite good.

</p><p>Even so, installing yet another plugin/app will *never* make your computer *more* secure, except when you're installing some lock-down app or firewall. Obviously any app only increases the attack surface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he was referring to " isolated storage " .
Basically you can allow " applicatoions " to store data locally on your machine .
By default only a limited quota is granted ( the application can ask for more and the user has to approve it ) .
The stored data is obfuscated to avoid malicious apps downloading files/scripts and then use social engineering techniques to fool the user into launching them .
This allows an app access to data even when offline .
Silverlight itself executes inside a pretty restricted sandbox .
Silverlight has an impeccable security record Secunia reports zero vulnerabilities in both SL1 and SL2 .
That is not to say that there are no vulns in SL .
But at least compared to Flash it 's quite good .
Even so , installing yet another plugin/app will * never * make your computer * more * secure , except when you 're installing some lock-down app or firewall .
Obviously any app only increases the attack surface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he was referring to "isolated storage".
Basically you can allow "applicatoions" to store data locally on your machine.
By default only a limited quota is granted (the application can ask for more and the user has to approve it).
The stored data is obfuscated to avoid malicious apps downloading files/scripts and then use social engineering techniques to fool the user into launching them.
This allows an app access to data even when offline.
Silverlight itself executes inside a pretty restricted sandbox.
Silverlight has an impeccable security record Secunia reports zero vulnerabilities in both SL1 and SL2.
That is not to say that there are no vulns in SL.
But at least compared to Flash it's quite good.
Even so, installing yet another plugin/app will *never* make your computer *more* secure, except when you're installing some lock-down app or firewall.
Obviously any app only increases the attack surface.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318887</id>
	<title>IMO</title>
	<author>El Lobo</author>
	<datestamp>1244896860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a developer that have worked both with Flash and Silverlight (1&amp;2) I must say: give me Silverlight anytime of the day. Working on Silverlight you have access to a large subset of the dotnet platform with gives you a wonderfully organized library of classes that is just waiting for you to be used. In comparation, Flash is just a mess, really.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a developer that have worked both with Flash and Silverlight ( 1&amp;2 ) I must say : give me Silverlight anytime of the day .
Working on Silverlight you have access to a large subset of the dotnet platform with gives you a wonderfully organized library of classes that is just waiting for you to be used .
In comparation , Flash is just a mess , really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a developer that have worked both with Flash and Silverlight (1&amp;2) I must say: give me Silverlight anytime of the day.
Working on Silverlight you have access to a large subset of the dotnet platform with gives you a wonderfully organized library of classes that is just waiting for you to be used.
In comparation, Flash is just a mess, really.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28322663</id>
	<title>Re:This is what adobe should do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244889720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're an idiot if you think open sourcing it will change anything. Freetard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're an idiot if you think open sourcing it will change anything .
Freetard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're an idiot if you think open sourcing it will change anything.
Freetard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28319441</id>
	<title>I have a question about that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244904060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...I'm not a programmer, hence the question.  Can HTML five do the things you talk about above?  Just wondering.
<br> <br>
Thanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I 'm not a programmer , hence the question .
Can HTML five do the things you talk about above ?
Just wondering .
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I'm not a programmer, hence the question.
Can HTML five do the things you talk about above?
Just wondering.
Thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28320543</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1244914320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've not looked at it to be honest, is it obfuscated or has it simply been run through a non-destructive compression process to shrink the size of the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.js file downloads for clients?</p><p>Either way the process should be entirely reversible else the Javascript interpreter wont be able to do anything with it.</p><p>But that's really the beauty of Javascript - it's open, with a plugin you have no idea what it's going to do unless the plugin explicitly allows you to do so, however with Javascript as it's open a Javascript interpreter can block specific actions at the users request (commonly blocking the ability to open popup windows, or resize browser windows for example). You're not restricted in where it can be used so much, if a browser supports Javascript then your application will run, there is no worry about finding an application that supports Javascript and then searching for a working plugin on top.</p><p>Plugins are often less rigorously tested than browsers too simply because browsers have a much wider audience so in general plugins are more problem prone - I'm sure most people who have worked in IT have dealt with the absolute pain that a broken Flash install can be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've not looked at it to be honest , is it obfuscated or has it simply been run through a non-destructive compression process to shrink the size of the .js file downloads for clients ? Either way the process should be entirely reversible else the Javascript interpreter wont be able to do anything with it.But that 's really the beauty of Javascript - it 's open , with a plugin you have no idea what it 's going to do unless the plugin explicitly allows you to do so , however with Javascript as it 's open a Javascript interpreter can block specific actions at the users request ( commonly blocking the ability to open popup windows , or resize browser windows for example ) .
You 're not restricted in where it can be used so much , if a browser supports Javascript then your application will run , there is no worry about finding an application that supports Javascript and then searching for a working plugin on top.Plugins are often less rigorously tested than browsers too simply because browsers have a much wider audience so in general plugins are more problem prone - I 'm sure most people who have worked in IT have dealt with the absolute pain that a broken Flash install can be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've not looked at it to be honest, is it obfuscated or has it simply been run through a non-destructive compression process to shrink the size of the .js file downloads for clients?Either way the process should be entirely reversible else the Javascript interpreter wont be able to do anything with it.But that's really the beauty of Javascript - it's open, with a plugin you have no idea what it's going to do unless the plugin explicitly allows you to do so, however with Javascript as it's open a Javascript interpreter can block specific actions at the users request (commonly blocking the ability to open popup windows, or resize browser windows for example).
You're not restricted in where it can be used so much, if a browser supports Javascript then your application will run, there is no worry about finding an application that supports Javascript and then searching for a working plugin on top.Plugins are often less rigorously tested than browsers too simply because browsers have a much wider audience so in general plugins are more problem prone - I'm sure most people who have worked in IT have dealt with the absolute pain that a broken Flash install can be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28323049</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight a good thing?</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1244893500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The one Java app outside of whatever bits are in some obscure part of OpenOffice is an internet-based USPS shipping label printer by Pitney Bowes.  That software is crap, I often have to kill it twice and reprint before I can actually get a print.  I could wait for it to load, but on loading, it is indistinguishable from crashed, and it's actually faster to kill it and try it again than to wait several minutes to do whatever it needs to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The one Java app outside of whatever bits are in some obscure part of OpenOffice is an internet-based USPS shipping label printer by Pitney Bowes .
That software is crap , I often have to kill it twice and reprint before I can actually get a print .
I could wait for it to load , but on loading , it is indistinguishable from crashed , and it 's actually faster to kill it and try it again than to wait several minutes to do whatever it needs to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one Java app outside of whatever bits are in some obscure part of OpenOffice is an internet-based USPS shipping label printer by Pitney Bowes.
That software is crap, I often have to kill it twice and reprint before I can actually get a print.
I could wait for it to load, but on loading, it is indistinguishable from crashed, and it's actually faster to kill it and try it again than to wait several minutes to do whatever it needs to do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28318853</id>
	<title>I'll pass.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244896320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Silverlight is awful. I hope it dies a quick death soon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Silverlight is awful .
I hope it dies a quick death soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silverlight is awful.
I hope it dies a quick death soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_13_0149249.28321211</id>
	<title>Microsoft releases Silverlight 3, nobody cares</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1244919540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft today announced the release of version 3.0 of its world-beating Silverlight multimedia platform for the Web. As a replacement for Adobe's Flash, it is widely considered <a href="http://notnews.today.com/2008/10/19/microsoft-releases-silverlight-20-nobody-cares/" title="today.com">utterly superfluous and of no interest</a> [today.com] to anyone who could be found.

</p><p>"We have a fabulous selection of content partners for Silverlight," announced Microsoft marketer Scott Guthrie on his blog today. "NBC for the Olympics, which delivered millions of new users to BitTorrent. The Democrat National Convention, which is fine because those Linux users are all Ron Paul weirdos anyway. Major League Baseball, uh, scratch that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... It comes with rich frameworks, rich controls, rich networking support, a rich base class library, rich media support, oh God kill me now. My options are underwater, my resume's a car crash, Google won't call me back. My life is an exercise in futility. I'm the walking dead, man. The walking dead."

</p><p>Silverlight was created by Microsoft to leverage its desktop monopoly on Windows, to work off the tremendous sales and popularity of Vista. Flash is present on a pathetic 96\% of all computers connected to the Internet, whereas Silverlight downloads are into the triple figures.

</p><p>"But it's got DRM!" cried Guthrie. "Netflix loved it! And web developers love us too, after all we did for them with IE 6. Wait, come back! We'll put porn on it! Free porn!"

</p><p>Similar Microsoft initiatives include its XPS replacement for Adobe PDF, its HD Photo replacement for JPEG photographs and its earlier Liquid Motion attempt to replace Flash. Also, that CD-ROM format Vista defaults to which no other computers can read.

</p><p>In a Microsoft internal security sweep, Guthrie's own desktop was found to still be running Windows XP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft today announced the release of version 3.0 of its world-beating Silverlight multimedia platform for the Web .
As a replacement for Adobe 's Flash , it is widely considered utterly superfluous and of no interest [ today.com ] to anyone who could be found .
" We have a fabulous selection of content partners for Silverlight , " announced Microsoft marketer Scott Guthrie on his blog today .
" NBC for the Olympics , which delivered millions of new users to BitTorrent .
The Democrat National Convention , which is fine because those Linux users are all Ron Paul weirdos anyway .
Major League Baseball , uh , scratch that ... It comes with rich frameworks , rich controls , rich networking support , a rich base class library , rich media support , oh God kill me now .
My options are underwater , my resume 's a car crash , Google wo n't call me back .
My life is an exercise in futility .
I 'm the walking dead , man .
The walking dead .
" Silverlight was created by Microsoft to leverage its desktop monopoly on Windows , to work off the tremendous sales and popularity of Vista .
Flash is present on a pathetic 96 \ % of all computers connected to the Internet , whereas Silverlight downloads are into the triple figures .
" But it 's got DRM !
" cried Guthrie .
" Netflix loved it !
And web developers love us too , after all we did for them with IE 6 .
Wait , come back !
We 'll put porn on it !
Free porn !
" Similar Microsoft initiatives include its XPS replacement for Adobe PDF , its HD Photo replacement for JPEG photographs and its earlier Liquid Motion attempt to replace Flash .
Also , that CD-ROM format Vista defaults to which no other computers can read .
In a Microsoft internal security sweep , Guthrie 's own desktop was found to still be running Windows XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft today announced the release of version 3.0 of its world-beating Silverlight multimedia platform for the Web.
As a replacement for Adobe's Flash, it is widely considered utterly superfluous and of no interest [today.com] to anyone who could be found.
"We have a fabulous selection of content partners for Silverlight," announced Microsoft marketer Scott Guthrie on his blog today.
"NBC for the Olympics, which delivered millions of new users to BitTorrent.
The Democrat National Convention, which is fine because those Linux users are all Ron Paul weirdos anyway.
Major League Baseball, uh, scratch that ... It comes with rich frameworks, rich controls, rich networking support, a rich base class library, rich media support, oh God kill me now.
My options are underwater, my resume's a car crash, Google won't call me back.
My life is an exercise in futility.
I'm the walking dead, man.
The walking dead.
"

Silverlight was created by Microsoft to leverage its desktop monopoly on Windows, to work off the tremendous sales and popularity of Vista.
Flash is present on a pathetic 96\% of all computers connected to the Internet, whereas Silverlight downloads are into the triple figures.
"But it's got DRM!
" cried Guthrie.
"Netflix loved it!
And web developers love us too, after all we did for them with IE 6.
Wait, come back!
We'll put porn on it!
Free porn!
"

Similar Microsoft initiatives include its XPS replacement for Adobe PDF, its HD Photo replacement for JPEG photographs and its earlier Liquid Motion attempt to replace Flash.
Also, that CD-ROM format Vista defaults to which no other computers can read.
In a Microsoft internal security sweep, Guthrie's own desktop was found to still be running Windows XP.</sentencetext>
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