<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_12_2043209</id>
	<title>Game, DVD Sales Hurting Music Industry More Than Downloads</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1244799540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://uazu.net/" rel="nofollow">Aguazul</a> writes with this excerpt from the Guardian:
<i>"The music industry likes to insist that filesharing &mdash; aka illegal downloading &mdash; is killing the industry; that every one of the millions of music files downloaded each day counts as a 'lost' sale, which if only it could somehow have been prevented would put stunning amounts of money into impoverished artists' hands. ... If you even think about it, it can't be true. People &mdash; even downloaders &mdash; only have a finite amount of money. In times gone by, sure, they would have been buying vinyl albums. But if you stopped them downloading, would they troop out to the shops and buy those songs? I don't think so. I suspect they're doing something different. I think they're spending the money on something else. What else, I mused, might they be buying? The first clue of where all those downloaders are really spending their money came in searching for games statistics: year after year ELSPA had hailed 'a record year.' In fact ... <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/jun/09/games-dvd-music-downloads-piracy">games spending has risen dramatically</a> &mdash; from &pound;1.18bn in 1999 to &pound;4.03bn in 2008. Meanwhile music spending has gone from &pound;1.94bn to &pound;1.31bn."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aguazul writes with this excerpt from the Guardian : " The music industry likes to insist that filesharing    aka illegal downloading    is killing the industry ; that every one of the millions of music files downloaded each day counts as a 'lost ' sale , which if only it could somehow have been prevented would put stunning amounts of money into impoverished artists ' hands .
... If you even think about it , it ca n't be true .
People    even downloaders    only have a finite amount of money .
In times gone by , sure , they would have been buying vinyl albums .
But if you stopped them downloading , would they troop out to the shops and buy those songs ?
I do n't think so .
I suspect they 're doing something different .
I think they 're spending the money on something else .
What else , I mused , might they be buying ?
The first clue of where all those downloaders are really spending their money came in searching for games statistics : year after year ELSPA had hailed 'a record year .
' In fact ... games spending has risen dramatically    from   1.18bn in 1999 to   4.03bn in 2008 .
Meanwhile music spending has gone from   1.94bn to   1.31bn .
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<sentencetext>Aguazul writes with this excerpt from the Guardian:
"The music industry likes to insist that filesharing — aka illegal downloading — is killing the industry; that every one of the millions of music files downloaded each day counts as a 'lost' sale, which if only it could somehow have been prevented would put stunning amounts of money into impoverished artists' hands.
... If you even think about it, it can't be true.
People — even downloaders — only have a finite amount of money.
In times gone by, sure, they would have been buying vinyl albums.
But if you stopped them downloading, would they troop out to the shops and buy those songs?
I don't think so.
I suspect they're doing something different.
I think they're spending the money on something else.
What else, I mused, might they be buying?
The first clue of where all those downloaders are really spending their money came in searching for games statistics: year after year ELSPA had hailed 'a record year.
' In fact ... games spending has risen dramatically — from £1.18bn in 1999 to £4.03bn in 2008.
Meanwhile music spending has gone from £1.94bn to £1.31bn.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314831</id>
	<title>Could we get a "duh" tag?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1244804640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who is the main target audience for popular music (i.e. the staple of the music industry)? Teenagers. Now, teenagers have a bit more pocket money today than they did in the 80s and 90s, inflation sure took care of that, but they also have a lot more to spend it on.</p><p>I was a teenager in the 80s and 90s. What was there for us to spend our pocket money on? Music. Fashion. Junk food. Umm... Arcades, maybe. Besides that... umm... I'm open for suggestions, but that's what my friends spent their dough on (for me it was computer games, but that was me...).</p><p>Today, you have cell phones (and the various services that come with it, from ringtones to games), you have computer games, MMOs with their recurring subscriptions, Trading Card games, you have all sorts of markets geared either exclusively at teenagers or at least aiming heavily for them.</p><p>The music industry simply has to share the market with others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is the main target audience for popular music ( i.e .
the staple of the music industry ) ?
Teenagers. Now , teenagers have a bit more pocket money today than they did in the 80s and 90s , inflation sure took care of that , but they also have a lot more to spend it on.I was a teenager in the 80s and 90s .
What was there for us to spend our pocket money on ?
Music. Fashion .
Junk food .
Umm... Arcades , maybe .
Besides that... umm... I 'm open for suggestions , but that 's what my friends spent their dough on ( for me it was computer games , but that was me... ) .Today , you have cell phones ( and the various services that come with it , from ringtones to games ) , you have computer games , MMOs with their recurring subscriptions , Trading Card games , you have all sorts of markets geared either exclusively at teenagers or at least aiming heavily for them.The music industry simply has to share the market with others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is the main target audience for popular music (i.e.
the staple of the music industry)?
Teenagers. Now, teenagers have a bit more pocket money today than they did in the 80s and 90s, inflation sure took care of that, but they also have a lot more to spend it on.I was a teenager in the 80s and 90s.
What was there for us to spend our pocket money on?
Music. Fashion.
Junk food.
Umm... Arcades, maybe.
Besides that... umm... I'm open for suggestions, but that's what my friends spent their dough on (for me it was computer games, but that was me...).Today, you have cell phones (and the various services that come with it, from ringtones to games), you have computer games, MMOs with their recurring subscriptions, Trading Card games, you have all sorts of markets geared either exclusively at teenagers or at least aiming heavily for them.The music industry simply has to share the market with others.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314781</id>
	<title>People need to recognize what business they're in</title>
	<author>Itchyeyes</author>
	<datestamp>1244804280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems so obvious it amazes me how many higher ups in these industries fail to recognize that they're not in the record business, or the video game business, or the film business.  They're in the entertainment business.  If you're going to make it a pain in the ass to purchase your music or to watch your movie, I'm just as happy to spend my time reading a book, or surfing the Internet, or playing a video game.  99\% of the time I'm not even going to bother trying to hunt down a pirated copy, because quite frankly I'd rather just spend that time being entertained by one of the other numerous options I have available to me.  You're not competing for my money, you're competing for my time, and you're competing against everything else I can possibly find to fill it with.  The sooner these businesses learn this the easier they'll find it to get my money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems so obvious it amazes me how many higher ups in these industries fail to recognize that they 're not in the record business , or the video game business , or the film business .
They 're in the entertainment business .
If you 're going to make it a pain in the ass to purchase your music or to watch your movie , I 'm just as happy to spend my time reading a book , or surfing the Internet , or playing a video game .
99 \ % of the time I 'm not even going to bother trying to hunt down a pirated copy , because quite frankly I 'd rather just spend that time being entertained by one of the other numerous options I have available to me .
You 're not competing for my money , you 're competing for my time , and you 're competing against everything else I can possibly find to fill it with .
The sooner these businesses learn this the easier they 'll find it to get my money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems so obvious it amazes me how many higher ups in these industries fail to recognize that they're not in the record business, or the video game business, or the film business.
They're in the entertainment business.
If you're going to make it a pain in the ass to purchase your music or to watch your movie, I'm just as happy to spend my time reading a book, or surfing the Internet, or playing a video game.
99\% of the time I'm not even going to bother trying to hunt down a pirated copy, because quite frankly I'd rather just spend that time being entertained by one of the other numerous options I have available to me.
You're not competing for my money, you're competing for my time, and you're competing against everything else I can possibly find to fill it with.
The sooner these businesses learn this the easier they'll find it to get my money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314735</id>
	<title>The RIAA's new strategy</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1244804100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What the RIAA members really need to do is make free pirated copies of games and movies more easily available on the web; then people will have more disposable income with which to purchase music!</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the RIAA members really need to do is make free pirated copies of games and movies more easily available on the web ; then people will have more disposable income with which to purchase music !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the RIAA members really need to do is make free pirated copies of games and movies more easily available on the web; then people will have more disposable income with which to purchase music!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316093</id>
	<title>I saw a commercial for a mp3 player</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244814060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw a commercial for the zune I think<br>anyway , In the ad it said that at a dollar<br>a song it would cost 30,000 bucks to fill it<br>well I do not have that kind of disposable income<br>do you?<br>It made me think how the hell do they expect to make any money if legally it is out of reach for most people.</p><p>Just a thought</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw a commercial for the zune I thinkanyway , In the ad it said that at a dollara song it would cost 30,000 bucks to fill itwell I do not have that kind of disposable incomedo you ? It made me think how the hell do they expect to make any money if legally it is out of reach for most people.Just a thought</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw a commercial for the zune I thinkanyway , In the ad it said that at a dollara song it would cost 30,000 bucks to fill itwell I do not have that kind of disposable incomedo you?It made me think how the hell do they expect to make any money if legally it is out of reach for most people.Just a thought</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314749</id>
	<title>No more expensive singles or album sales</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1244804160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>because you can get the one song you like off of iTunes/amazon/whatever.  Why always start from the assumption that it must be illegal activity that is adversely affecting sales.</p><p>The legal marketplace has changed to benefit the consumer economically, by not gouging them for $6/15 for a single/album respectively, now they can get what they wanted for around a $1.  Some will buy more music but many others will move that savings to other avenues of entertainment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because you can get the one song you like off of iTunes/amazon/whatever .
Why always start from the assumption that it must be illegal activity that is adversely affecting sales.The legal marketplace has changed to benefit the consumer economically , by not gouging them for $ 6/15 for a single/album respectively , now they can get what they wanted for around a $ 1 .
Some will buy more music but many others will move that savings to other avenues of entertainment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because you can get the one song you like off of iTunes/amazon/whatever.
Why always start from the assumption that it must be illegal activity that is adversely affecting sales.The legal marketplace has changed to benefit the consumer economically, by not gouging them for $6/15 for a single/album respectively, now they can get what they wanted for around a $1.
Some will buy more music but many others will move that savings to other avenues of entertainment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314683</id>
	<title>flawed logic</title>
	<author>Funk\_dat69</author>
	<datestamp>1244803920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article claims:</p><p>1- consumers buy games/DVDs over the latest music album<br>2- consumers don't have enough money for music<br>3- consumers download music</p><p>Based on their evidence, though, you could also conclude:</p><p>1- consumers download music<br>2- consumers still have money<br>3- consumers buy games/DVDs with saved money</p><p>Don't get me wrong. I don't think that downloading a song==lost sale, but I don't think the evidence stated necessarily means that people are choosing games/DVDs over music.</p><p>One thing that is not really debatable is that the music industry business model is outdated, overgrown with middlemen, and on it's way out. And the end won't come soon enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article claims : 1- consumers buy games/DVDs over the latest music album2- consumers do n't have enough money for music3- consumers download musicBased on their evidence , though , you could also conclude : 1- consumers download music2- consumers still have money3- consumers buy games/DVDs with saved moneyDo n't get me wrong .
I do n't think that downloading a song = = lost sale , but I do n't think the evidence stated necessarily means that people are choosing games/DVDs over music.One thing that is not really debatable is that the music industry business model is outdated , overgrown with middlemen , and on it 's way out .
And the end wo n't come soon enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article claims:1- consumers buy games/DVDs over the latest music album2- consumers don't have enough money for music3- consumers download musicBased on their evidence, though, you could also conclude:1- consumers download music2- consumers still have money3- consumers buy games/DVDs with saved moneyDon't get me wrong.
I don't think that downloading a song==lost sale, but I don't think the evidence stated necessarily means that people are choosing games/DVDs over music.One thing that is not really debatable is that the music industry business model is outdated, overgrown with middlemen, and on it's way out.
And the end won't come soon enough.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315583</id>
	<title>The reason I don't buy</title>
	<author>Finder83</author>
	<datestamp>1244809860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bad product...pure and simple. It has been years since I have bought a commercial CD. I do buy individual or small studio published cd's.
Their assumption? Oh, I must download it (since it is impossible that anyone would not listen to their music). In fact, I do not download music or copy music at all.
Now their assumption is that the reason is because I play games instead of buying CDs and music. No, I buy products of quality with my money, and do not waste it on crap music produced
by the studios associated with the RIAA. There are a lot of game studios that put millions of dollars into amazing games with great stories.<br>
<br>
I'm tired of being insulted by this association by their assumptions that I listen to their crappy (and popular, but not all things popular are good) music at all cost...frankly, I don't care if they do well or not, though I would gladly support any movement to get them out of the news (by their going out of business, not by my wasting money.) With that said, I have pretty much already boycotted the RIAA because of these antics.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad product...pure and simple .
It has been years since I have bought a commercial CD .
I do buy individual or small studio published cd 's .
Their assumption ?
Oh , I must download it ( since it is impossible that anyone would not listen to their music ) .
In fact , I do not download music or copy music at all .
Now their assumption is that the reason is because I play games instead of buying CDs and music .
No , I buy products of quality with my money , and do not waste it on crap music produced by the studios associated with the RIAA .
There are a lot of game studios that put millions of dollars into amazing games with great stories .
I 'm tired of being insulted by this association by their assumptions that I listen to their crappy ( and popular , but not all things popular are good ) music at all cost...frankly , I do n't care if they do well or not , though I would gladly support any movement to get them out of the news ( by their going out of business , not by my wasting money .
) With that said , I have pretty much already boycotted the RIAA because of these antics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad product...pure and simple.
It has been years since I have bought a commercial CD.
I do buy individual or small studio published cd's.
Their assumption?
Oh, I must download it (since it is impossible that anyone would not listen to their music).
In fact, I do not download music or copy music at all.
Now their assumption is that the reason is because I play games instead of buying CDs and music.
No, I buy products of quality with my money, and do not waste it on crap music produced
by the studios associated with the RIAA.
There are a lot of game studios that put millions of dollars into amazing games with great stories.
I'm tired of being insulted by this association by their assumptions that I listen to their crappy (and popular, but not all things popular are good) music at all cost...frankly, I don't care if they do well or not, though I would gladly support any movement to get them out of the news (by their going out of business, not by my wasting money.
) With that said, I have pretty much already boycotted the RIAA because of these antics.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316515</id>
	<title>Re:You could also argue</title>
	<author>unl0rd</author>
	<datestamp>1244817780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>people buy games and DVDs these days instead of music because most of the music available now simply sucks</p></div><p>Well, if one listens to the radio they would assume that, also, If a good song happens to make it on the radio, the stations play it so often you don't need to buy it or want to hear it ever again.

There is good music out there, you have to be recommended it by a friend, find great local bands in the local pubs, or download untill you find something you like.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>people buy games and DVDs these days instead of music because most of the music available now simply sucksWell , if one listens to the radio they would assume that , also , If a good song happens to make it on the radio , the stations play it so often you do n't need to buy it or want to hear it ever again .
There is good music out there , you have to be recommended it by a friend , find great local bands in the local pubs , or download untill you find something you like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>people buy games and DVDs these days instead of music because most of the music available now simply sucksWell, if one listens to the radio they would assume that, also, If a good song happens to make it on the radio, the stations play it so often you don't need to buy it or want to hear it ever again.
There is good music out there, you have to be recommended it by a friend, find great local bands in the local pubs, or download untill you find something you like.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315419</id>
	<title>Everytime I download music</title>
	<author>future assassin</author>
	<datestamp>1244808780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The money I would have spent on that crap goes some something more usefull so the market still gets this money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The money I would have spent on that crap goes some something more usefull so the market still gets this money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The money I would have spent on that crap goes some something more usefull so the market still gets this money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28351839</id>
	<title>Re:Who would win in a fight?</title>
	<author>stile99</author>
	<datestamp>1245182820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RIAA, RIAA.<br>RIAA hates MPAA.<br>They have a fight, RIAA wins.<br>RIAA.</p><p>PS: Please don't sue me.<br>PPS: I'm Universe Man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RIAA , RIAA.RIAA hates MPAA.They have a fight , RIAA wins.RIAA.PS : Please do n't sue me.PPS : I 'm Universe Man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIAA, RIAA.RIAA hates MPAA.They have a fight, RIAA wins.RIAA.PS: Please don't sue me.PPS: I'm Universe Man.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314587</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315291</id>
	<title>Re:Some excerpt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244807820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think the point at the end is really the interesting part.  I don't think the music industry is going to be comforted because "at least someone else is making lots of money."  But his opening idea, that people who download illegally often download a LOT more than they could possibly buy, should seriously be taken account when thinking about this issue.

Maybe any illegal downloads, beyond the value that the person might have otherwise actually gone out and paid, could be seen as free advertising (for concerts and other products not digitally reproduceable).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the point at the end is really the interesting part .
I do n't think the music industry is going to be comforted because " at least someone else is making lots of money .
" But his opening idea , that people who download illegally often download a LOT more than they could possibly buy , should seriously be taken account when thinking about this issue .
Maybe any illegal downloads , beyond the value that the person might have otherwise actually gone out and paid , could be seen as free advertising ( for concerts and other products not digitally reproduceable ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the point at the end is really the interesting part.
I don't think the music industry is going to be comforted because "at least someone else is making lots of money.
"  But his opening idea, that people who download illegally often download a LOT more than they could possibly buy, should seriously be taken account when thinking about this issue.
Maybe any illegal downloads, beyond the value that the person might have otherwise actually gone out and paid, could be seen as free advertising (for concerts and other products not digitally reproduceable).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314559</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314827</id>
	<title>Not Accunting for Ringtones?</title>
	<author>swanzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1244804580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>With ringtone sales approaching $10 billion/year in the US, perhaps the data could better represent the current state of the music industry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With ringtone sales approaching $ 10 billion/year in the US , perhaps the data could better represent the current state of the music industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With ringtone sales approaching $10 billion/year in the US, perhaps the data could better represent the current state of the music industry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314705</id>
	<title>Don't forget Disney...</title>
	<author>MosesJones</author>
	<datestamp>1244803980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rise of zero personality manufacturer bands (The Jonas Brothers... like the Monkees but with out the hard cutting edge) and their cult of multiple product selling surely also has to be responsible.   Its not just Games and DVDs its the fact that for a given "star" you can get pens, pencils, school bags, DVDs, 3D Movies and all manner of other crap.  Their objective almost isn't to sell the music its just to sell the image and then have people buy lots of things with that image.</p><p>Dora the Explorer has as much credibility as these bands and is focused on a similar financial plan.</p><p>Meanwhile good bands seem to be going into the live tour set up more and more and being less worried about CDs. So what is killing CDs is that at the crap end people are flogging pens and school bags and at the good end its about the live gigs.  Meaning that if you want entertainment at home you go for DVDs (because the Cinema is a rip-off) or Games (where you get to do more of what you want).</p><p>The music industry has killed the CD by focusing on bag sales and forcing decent artists to focus (thank god) on live gigs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rise of zero personality manufacturer bands ( The Jonas Brothers... like the Monkees but with out the hard cutting edge ) and their cult of multiple product selling surely also has to be responsible .
Its not just Games and DVDs its the fact that for a given " star " you can get pens , pencils , school bags , DVDs , 3D Movies and all manner of other crap .
Their objective almost is n't to sell the music its just to sell the image and then have people buy lots of things with that image.Dora the Explorer has as much credibility as these bands and is focused on a similar financial plan.Meanwhile good bands seem to be going into the live tour set up more and more and being less worried about CDs .
So what is killing CDs is that at the crap end people are flogging pens and school bags and at the good end its about the live gigs .
Meaning that if you want entertainment at home you go for DVDs ( because the Cinema is a rip-off ) or Games ( where you get to do more of what you want ) .The music industry has killed the CD by focusing on bag sales and forcing decent artists to focus ( thank god ) on live gigs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rise of zero personality manufacturer bands (The Jonas Brothers... like the Monkees but with out the hard cutting edge) and their cult of multiple product selling surely also has to be responsible.
Its not just Games and DVDs its the fact that for a given "star" you can get pens, pencils, school bags, DVDs, 3D Movies and all manner of other crap.
Their objective almost isn't to sell the music its just to sell the image and then have people buy lots of things with that image.Dora the Explorer has as much credibility as these bands and is focused on a similar financial plan.Meanwhile good bands seem to be going into the live tour set up more and more and being less worried about CDs.
So what is killing CDs is that at the crap end people are flogging pens and school bags and at the good end its about the live gigs.
Meaning that if you want entertainment at home you go for DVDs (because the Cinema is a rip-off) or Games (where you get to do more of what you want).The music industry has killed the CD by focusing on bag sales and forcing decent artists to focus (thank god) on live gigs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314583</id>
	<title>Thankyou Guardian</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1244803380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For defining Opportunity cost, and boring everyone senseless at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For defining Opportunity cost , and boring everyone senseless at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For defining Opportunity cost, and boring everyone senseless at the same time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28318267</id>
	<title>Re:People need to recognize what business they're</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1244884980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Im pretty sure they know it but it is very convenient to have a scapegoat and then to say<br>we have a problem but we are doing something. That will work at least for another 10 years<br>thanks to politicians who sell out for small amounts!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Im pretty sure they know it but it is very convenient to have a scapegoat and then to saywe have a problem but we are doing something .
That will work at least for another 10 yearsthanks to politicians who sell out for small amounts !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im pretty sure they know it but it is very convenient to have a scapegoat and then to saywe have a problem but we are doing something.
That will work at least for another 10 yearsthanks to politicians who sell out for small amounts!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314781</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316593</id>
	<title>Re:Who would have thought?</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1244818680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On the back of the envelope it says something like "tampering with or changing the contents of this envelope may subject you to legal action."  Oh yeah, I am so going to get a credit card from people who start off threatening to sue me (and for what?).</p></div><p>I doubt that statement is directed at you (the intended recipient), but at other people handling the envelope. Of course, interfering with postal delivery is already a federal crime, and I would guess that everybody knows that, so at the very least, the warning is pretty redundant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the back of the envelope it says something like " tampering with or changing the contents of this envelope may subject you to legal action .
" Oh yeah , I am so going to get a credit card from people who start off threatening to sue me ( and for what ?
) .I doubt that statement is directed at you ( the intended recipient ) , but at other people handling the envelope .
Of course , interfering with postal delivery is already a federal crime , and I would guess that everybody knows that , so at the very least , the warning is pretty redundant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the back of the envelope it says something like "tampering with or changing the contents of this envelope may subject you to legal action.
"  Oh yeah, I am so going to get a credit card from people who start off threatening to sue me (and for what?
).I doubt that statement is directed at you (the intended recipient), but at other people handling the envelope.
Of course, interfering with postal delivery is already a federal crime, and I would guess that everybody knows that, so at the very least, the warning is pretty redundant.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28319293</id>
	<title>Lost sales no more than 50 cents per day I say</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244902560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see a simple relation between "illegal downloaders" and the rights of the record industry...</p><p>While the RIAA claims to be losing a dollar (or 150x that, depending on the court case) for every file downloaded, there are legal users of services like Rhapsody downloading just as much for less than $0.50 a day.  Obviously in both cases if the user had to pay for every single file they would download far less music - iTunes store users don't download anywhere near as much or as often as Rhapsody users, right?</p><p>So I propose in these court cases the RIAA should identify how long the illegal downloading was going on and require that the user pay the $15 per month cost of Rhapsody to cover the illegal downloads.  That would be a much more realistic cost.</p><p>The other problem with the RIAA's lost sales claim is that people flock to free stuff.  Think of the free gifts at sporting events and conferences/expos - at sporting events you get a souvenir bat or ball or hat; at conferences each vendor has a mug or toy or pen for you - nobody in their right mind would claim that all these freebies that people take are "lost sales".  If I didn't go to that baseball game would I instead have purchased a quarter-sized decorative bat?  Heck no!  Freebies are given in the hopes of generating future sales.</p><p>In the case of music, some artists have already discovered giving music away can help generate interest for concerts.  If all bands gave their music away then people would be more free to find and acquire the music that interests them, identifying bands they especially like, and would thus be far more likely to spend money on concerts in support of their favorite bands.  We hear all the time how many bands, even big name bands, survive only on their concert tour earnings - so why bother making their fans pay for the songs anyway?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see a simple relation between " illegal downloaders " and the rights of the record industry...While the RIAA claims to be losing a dollar ( or 150x that , depending on the court case ) for every file downloaded , there are legal users of services like Rhapsody downloading just as much for less than $ 0.50 a day .
Obviously in both cases if the user had to pay for every single file they would download far less music - iTunes store users do n't download anywhere near as much or as often as Rhapsody users , right ? So I propose in these court cases the RIAA should identify how long the illegal downloading was going on and require that the user pay the $ 15 per month cost of Rhapsody to cover the illegal downloads .
That would be a much more realistic cost.The other problem with the RIAA 's lost sales claim is that people flock to free stuff .
Think of the free gifts at sporting events and conferences/expos - at sporting events you get a souvenir bat or ball or hat ; at conferences each vendor has a mug or toy or pen for you - nobody in their right mind would claim that all these freebies that people take are " lost sales " .
If I did n't go to that baseball game would I instead have purchased a quarter-sized decorative bat ?
Heck no !
Freebies are given in the hopes of generating future sales.In the case of music , some artists have already discovered giving music away can help generate interest for concerts .
If all bands gave their music away then people would be more free to find and acquire the music that interests them , identifying bands they especially like , and would thus be far more likely to spend money on concerts in support of their favorite bands .
We hear all the time how many bands , even big name bands , survive only on their concert tour earnings - so why bother making their fans pay for the songs anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see a simple relation between "illegal downloaders" and the rights of the record industry...While the RIAA claims to be losing a dollar (or 150x that, depending on the court case) for every file downloaded, there are legal users of services like Rhapsody downloading just as much for less than $0.50 a day.
Obviously in both cases if the user had to pay for every single file they would download far less music - iTunes store users don't download anywhere near as much or as often as Rhapsody users, right?So I propose in these court cases the RIAA should identify how long the illegal downloading was going on and require that the user pay the $15 per month cost of Rhapsody to cover the illegal downloads.
That would be a much more realistic cost.The other problem with the RIAA's lost sales claim is that people flock to free stuff.
Think of the free gifts at sporting events and conferences/expos - at sporting events you get a souvenir bat or ball or hat; at conferences each vendor has a mug or toy or pen for you - nobody in their right mind would claim that all these freebies that people take are "lost sales".
If I didn't go to that baseball game would I instead have purchased a quarter-sized decorative bat?
Heck no!
Freebies are given in the hopes of generating future sales.In the case of music, some artists have already discovered giving music away can help generate interest for concerts.
If all bands gave their music away then people would be more free to find and acquire the music that interests them, identifying bands they especially like, and would thus be far more likely to spend money on concerts in support of their favorite bands.
We hear all the time how many bands, even big name bands, survive only on their concert tour earnings - so why bother making their fans pay for the songs anyway?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28320517</id>
	<title>I'd just rather get games</title>
	<author>HalAtWork</author>
	<datestamp>1244914140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It makes sense, but I'd even rather have a $30 DS or Wii, or used PS3/360 title than buy a blu-ray or DVD at full price these days.  I just get my movies used for cheap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes sense , but I 'd even rather have a $ 30 DS or Wii , or used PS3/360 title than buy a blu-ray or DVD at full price these days .
I just get my movies used for cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes sense, but I'd even rather have a $30 DS or Wii, or used PS3/360 title than buy a blu-ray or DVD at full price these days.
I just get my movies used for cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314747</id>
	<title>Re:Who would win in a fight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244804160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>RIAA or MPAA?</p></div><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien\_vs.\_Predator\_(film)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Whoever wins... we lose</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>RIAA or MPAA ?
Whoever wins... we lose [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIAA or MPAA?
Whoever wins... we lose [wikipedia.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315083</id>
	<title>Re:News Flash:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244806440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was hoping someone would bring this to the discussion.  Music for the last 10 years has largely been uninventive, pedantic and very cookie-cutter.  The big name bands of years past release some new material, but as the musicians of generations past release new material it all sounds the same.  Modern bands are more products of an "American Idol" culture with seemingly little actual creative talent taking the music genres in new directions.  Rock all sounds the same.  Country all sounds the same.  Rap all sounds the same and just keeps trying to outdo the previous artist at reaching a new low.  I've had discussions with musicians at work as to whether or not music is a reflection of current society or if music drives society.  If it is a reflection of modern times then we're all in trouble....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was hoping someone would bring this to the discussion .
Music for the last 10 years has largely been uninventive , pedantic and very cookie-cutter .
The big name bands of years past release some new material , but as the musicians of generations past release new material it all sounds the same .
Modern bands are more products of an " American Idol " culture with seemingly little actual creative talent taking the music genres in new directions .
Rock all sounds the same .
Country all sounds the same .
Rap all sounds the same and just keeps trying to outdo the previous artist at reaching a new low .
I 've had discussions with musicians at work as to whether or not music is a reflection of current society or if music drives society .
If it is a reflection of modern times then we 're all in trouble... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was hoping someone would bring this to the discussion.
Music for the last 10 years has largely been uninventive, pedantic and very cookie-cutter.
The big name bands of years past release some new material, but as the musicians of generations past release new material it all sounds the same.
Modern bands are more products of an "American Idol" culture with seemingly little actual creative talent taking the music genres in new directions.
Rock all sounds the same.
Country all sounds the same.
Rap all sounds the same and just keeps trying to outdo the previous artist at reaching a new low.
I've had discussions with musicians at work as to whether or not music is a reflection of current society or if music drives society.
If it is a reflection of modern times then we're all in trouble....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314843</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314591</id>
	<title>The magic of Blu-Ray!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244803380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see.</p><p>Games are on Blue-Ray.</p><p>Movies are on Blue-Ray.</p><p>If only the music industry would put their product on Blue-Ray, it would sell well, too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see.Games are on Blue-Ray.Movies are on Blue-Ray.If only the music industry would put their product on Blue-Ray , it would sell well , too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see.Games are on Blue-Ray.Movies are on Blue-Ray.If only the music industry would put their product on Blue-Ray, it would sell well, too!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315595</id>
	<title>An alternative explanation.</title>
	<author>philicorda</author>
	<datestamp>1244809920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Games are harder to pirate than music and films. Therefore more games are sold.</p><p>Games are large in terms of data, and cannot be lossily compressed like mp3/DIVX. Games have strong copy protection. Games need to be cracked, which is an uncertain process and often conflicts with patches/updated content.</p><p>Well, why not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Games are harder to pirate than music and films .
Therefore more games are sold.Games are large in terms of data , and can not be lossily compressed like mp3/DIVX .
Games have strong copy protection .
Games need to be cracked , which is an uncertain process and often conflicts with patches/updated content.Well , why not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Games are harder to pirate than music and films.
Therefore more games are sold.Games are large in terms of data, and cannot be lossily compressed like mp3/DIVX.
Games have strong copy protection.
Games need to be cracked, which is an uncertain process and often conflicts with patches/updated content.Well, why not?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315909</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>samkass</author>
	<datestamp>1244812380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest problem I see with this theory is that just today <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797\_3-10263534-235.html" title="cnet.com">a huge 23\% decline in US video game sales was reported</a> [cnet.com].  This quarter video game sales dropped below $1B for the first time in years.  I could be wrong, but I doubt we're going to see anything like a $300M jump in music sales this quarter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem I see with this theory is that just today a huge 23 \ % decline in US video game sales was reported [ cnet.com ] .
This quarter video game sales dropped below $ 1B for the first time in years .
I could be wrong , but I doubt we 're going to see anything like a $ 300M jump in music sales this quarter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest problem I see with this theory is that just today a huge 23\% decline in US video game sales was reported [cnet.com].
This quarter video game sales dropped below $1B for the first time in years.
I could be wrong, but I doubt we're going to see anything like a $300M jump in music sales this quarter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314727</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of Blu-Ray!</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1244804100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yay, get your favorite artists entire catalog at 96kHz on a single disk.
</p><p>Except that's not what they'll do.  They'll put the same recordings as on the CD, and then fill the rest of the disk with ads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yay , get your favorite artists entire catalog at 96kHz on a single disk .
Except that 's not what they 'll do .
They 'll put the same recordings as on the CD , and then fill the rest of the disk with ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yay, get your favorite artists entire catalog at 96kHz on a single disk.
Except that's not what they'll do.
They'll put the same recordings as on the CD, and then fill the rest of the disk with ads.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316853</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1244820960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While what you say may be true, consider that there are also a lot of alternatives to your binary options presented. Instead of "download music" I could also:</p><p>1) Listen to music on lastfm<br>2) Listen to other free online service<br>3) Listen to FM radio (which, IMO, has gotten better over the years - less commercials, better music)</p><p>In the 1990s, I ripped a lot of CDs and listened to those MP3s. I was a teen in the late 1990s. But I've not bought many (maybe 2 or 3) albums since. I've also not downloaded MP3s (or any format equivalent) or used iTunes or the like (and have no idea what that would entail - is some music free on iTunes, allowing me to listen for free)?</p><p>Maybe people are tired of "pay to play" when there is so damn much music to pick from (much of it very similar).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While what you say may be true , consider that there are also a lot of alternatives to your binary options presented .
Instead of " download music " I could also : 1 ) Listen to music on lastfm2 ) Listen to other free online service3 ) Listen to FM radio ( which , IMO , has gotten better over the years - less commercials , better music ) In the 1990s , I ripped a lot of CDs and listened to those MP3s .
I was a teen in the late 1990s .
But I 've not bought many ( maybe 2 or 3 ) albums since .
I 've also not downloaded MP3s ( or any format equivalent ) or used iTunes or the like ( and have no idea what that would entail - is some music free on iTunes , allowing me to listen for free ) ? Maybe people are tired of " pay to play " when there is so damn much music to pick from ( much of it very similar ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While what you say may be true, consider that there are also a lot of alternatives to your binary options presented.
Instead of "download music" I could also:1) Listen to music on lastfm2) Listen to other free online service3) Listen to FM radio (which, IMO, has gotten better over the years - less commercials, better music)In the 1990s, I ripped a lot of CDs and listened to those MP3s.
I was a teen in the late 1990s.
But I've not bought many (maybe 2 or 3) albums since.
I've also not downloaded MP3s (or any format equivalent) or used iTunes or the like (and have no idea what that would entail - is some music free on iTunes, allowing me to listen for free)?Maybe people are tired of "pay to play" when there is so damn much music to pick from (much of it very similar).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316957</id>
	<title>British comics in the 80's ...</title>
	<author>Spacejock</author>
	<datestamp>1244822220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. went the same way. You could buy a blank C15 tape for around the price of a comic, then copy a mate's ZX Speccy game onto each side. Those of us lucky enough to have a part-time job could buy the originals for around a fiver each. Who wanted a comic which you could read in about ten minutes?<br> <br>

A budget DVD game at AUD $15-$25 or a music album with maybe two decent tracks for $20-$30<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. I know which I'd get more hours of entertainment from.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. went the same way .
You could buy a blank C15 tape for around the price of a comic , then copy a mate 's ZX Speccy game onto each side .
Those of us lucky enough to have a part-time job could buy the originals for around a fiver each .
Who wanted a comic which you could read in about ten minutes ?
A budget DVD game at AUD $ 15- $ 25 or a music album with maybe two decent tracks for $ 20- $ 30 .. I know which I 'd get more hours of entertainment from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. went the same way.
You could buy a blank C15 tape for around the price of a comic, then copy a mate's ZX Speccy game onto each side.
Those of us lucky enough to have a part-time job could buy the originals for around a fiver each.
Who wanted a comic which you could read in about ten minutes?
A budget DVD game at AUD $15-$25 or a music album with maybe two decent tracks for $20-$30 .. I know which I'd get more hours of entertainment from.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314559</id>
	<title>Some excerpt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244803260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It sure takes a while to get to the point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It sure takes a while to get to the point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sure takes a while to get to the point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314625</id>
	<title>C UHTepHaL|uoHaloM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244803560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>BCTaBaj, npoKlRTbeM 3aKlejMeHHbij,<br>BeCb Mup rologHbix u pa6oB!<br>KuluT HaLLI pa3yM Bo3MyLL|eHHbij<br>U B cMepTHbij 6oj BecTu roToB.<br>Becb Mup HaculbR Mbi pa3pyLLIuM<br>Do ocHoBaHbR, a 3aTeM<br>Mbi HaLLI, Mbi HoBbij Mup nocTpouM,<br>KTo 6bil Hu4eM, ToT cTaHeT BceM.<br><br>npuneB:<br>-)To ecTb HaLLI noclegHuj<br>U peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.<br>C UHTepHaL|uoHaloM<br>BocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj!<br><br>HuKTo He gacT HaM u36aBleHbR:<br>Hu 6or, Hu L|apb u Hu repoj!<br>Do6beMcR Mbi ocBo6o&gt;|&lt;geHbR<br>CBoeIO co6cTBeHHou pyKoj.<br>4To6 cBeprHyTb rHeT pyKoj yMeloj,<br>OtBoeBaTb cBoe go6po,<br>B3gyBajTe ropH u KyjTe cMelo,<br>noKa &gt;|&lt;ele3o ropR4o!<br><br>-)To ecTb HaLLI noclegHuj<br>U peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.<br>C UHTepHaL|uoHaloM<br>BocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj!<br><br>LuLLIb Mbi, pa6oTHuKu BceMupHoj<br>BeluKoj apMuu Tpyga,<br>BlageTb 3eMlej uMeeM npaBo,<br>Ho napa3uTbi - HuKorga!<br>U eclu rpoM BeluKuj rpRHeT<br>Hag cBopoj ncoB u nala4ej,<br>DlR Hac Bce TaK &gt;|&lt;e colHL|e cTaHeT<br>CuRTb orHeM cBoux ly4ej.<br><br>-)To ecTb HaLLI noclegHuj<br>U peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.<br>C UHTepHaL|uoHaloM<br>BocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj!<br></tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>BCTaBaj , npoKlRTbeM 3aKlejMeHHbij,BeCb Mup rologHbix u pa6oB ! KuluT HaLLI pa3yM Bo3MyLL | eHHbijU B cMepTHbij 6oj BecTu roToB.Becb Mup HaculbR Mbi pa3pyLLIuMDo ocHoBaHbR , a 3aTeMMbi HaLLI , Mbi HoBbij Mup nocTpouM,KTo 6bil Hu4eM , ToT cTaHeT BceM.npuneB : - ) To ecTb HaLLI noclegHujU peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.C UHTepHaL | uoHaloMBocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj ! HuKTo He gacT HaM u36aBleHbR : Hu 6or , Hu L | apb u Hu repoj ! Do6beMcR Mbi ocBo6o &gt; | CBoeIO co6cTBeHHou pyKoj.4To6 cBeprHyTb rHeT pyKoj yMeloj,OtBoeBaTb cBoe go6po,B3gyBajTe ropH u KyjTe cMelo,noKa &gt; | - ) To ecTb HaLLI noclegHujU peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.C UHTepHaL | uoHaloMBocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj ! LuLLIb Mbi , pa6oTHuKu BceMupHojBeluKoj apMuu Tpyga,BlageTb 3eMlej uMeeM npaBo,Ho napa3uTbi - HuKorga ! U eclu rpoM BeluKuj rpRHeTHag cBopoj ncoB u nala4ej,DlR Hac Bce TaK &gt; | CuRTb orHeM cBoux ly4ej.- ) To ecTb HaLLI noclegHujU peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.C UHTepHaL | uoHaloMBocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BCTaBaj, npoKlRTbeM 3aKlejMeHHbij,BeCb Mup rologHbix u pa6oB!KuluT HaLLI pa3yM Bo3MyLL|eHHbijU B cMepTHbij 6oj BecTu roToB.Becb Mup HaculbR Mbi pa3pyLLIuMDo ocHoBaHbR, a 3aTeMMbi HaLLI, Mbi HoBbij Mup nocTpouM,KTo 6bil Hu4eM, ToT cTaHeT BceM.npuneB:-)To ecTb HaLLI noclegHujU peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.C UHTepHaL|uoHaloMBocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj!HuKTo He gacT HaM u36aBleHbR:Hu 6or, Hu L|apb u Hu repoj!Do6beMcR Mbi ocBo6o&gt;|CBoeIO co6cTBeHHou pyKoj.4To6 cBeprHyTb rHeT pyKoj yMeloj,OtBoeBaTb cBoe go6po,B3gyBajTe ropH u KyjTe cMelo,noKa &gt;|-)To ecTb HaLLI noclegHujU peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.C UHTepHaL|uoHaloMBocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj!LuLLIb Mbi, pa6oTHuKu BceMupHojBeluKoj apMuu Tpyga,BlageTb 3eMlej uMeeM npaBo,Ho napa3uTbi - HuKorga!U eclu rpoM BeluKuj rpRHeTHag cBopoj ncoB u nala4ej,DlR Hac Bce TaK &gt;|CuRTb orHeM cBoux ly4ej.-)To ecTb HaLLI noclegHujU peLLIuTelbHbij 6oj.C UHTepHaL|uoHaloMBocnpRHet pog lIOgCKoj!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315177</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1244806980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One thing that is not really debatable is that the music industry business model is outdated, overgrown with middlemen, and on it's way out. And the end won't come soon enough.</p></div><p>I was under the impression that movie studios and game studios were on a very similar model.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing that is not really debatable is that the music industry business model is outdated , overgrown with middlemen , and on it 's way out .
And the end wo n't come soon enough.I was under the impression that movie studios and game studios were on a very similar model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing that is not really debatable is that the music industry business model is outdated, overgrown with middlemen, and on it's way out.
And the end won't come soon enough.I was under the impression that movie studios and game studios were on a very similar model.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314683</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314839</id>
	<title>I would say that fits my personal spending habits</title>
	<author>Qazimov</author>
	<datestamp>1244804760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have well over 200 CD's that I paid full retail for at legitimate stores.  I listen to music all day at work and for many years enjoyed my collection digitized and copied to whatever machine I was working on.  That said, I haven't purchased a CD in over 3 years, and I don't download mp3s or touch any torrents of any kind.<br> <br>

I switched to shoutcast streams many years ago, and as of a little over a year ago I started using Pandora.com and haven't looked back.<br> <br>

I buy and play games for my xbox and my PC.  I purchase movies (I still haven't paid more than $10 for an HD movie, MPC + HD/BR player FTW).<br> <br>

Anyway, that said - if you were to graph my spending over the last decade 1999-2009 you would see a lot of money going to the music industry (15-25albums<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/year @$15 each) dwindling down to nothing as of about 2005.  Some spending on games (probably 5-8/year @ 50 each) staying pretty consistent with a slight upswing in the last 4 years.  Movies, didn't buy all that many VHS, have probably 80 or so DVD's (at probably 10/year) - 20 or so HD/BR movies, all within the last 10 months.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have well over 200 CD 's that I paid full retail for at legitimate stores .
I listen to music all day at work and for many years enjoyed my collection digitized and copied to whatever machine I was working on .
That said , I have n't purchased a CD in over 3 years , and I do n't download mp3s or touch any torrents of any kind .
I switched to shoutcast streams many years ago , and as of a little over a year ago I started using Pandora.com and have n't looked back .
I buy and play games for my xbox and my PC .
I purchase movies ( I still have n't paid more than $ 10 for an HD movie , MPC + HD/BR player FTW ) .
Anyway , that said - if you were to graph my spending over the last decade 1999-2009 you would see a lot of money going to the music industry ( 15-25albums /year @ $ 15 each ) dwindling down to nothing as of about 2005 .
Some spending on games ( probably 5-8/year @ 50 each ) staying pretty consistent with a slight upswing in the last 4 years .
Movies , did n't buy all that many VHS , have probably 80 or so DVD 's ( at probably 10/year ) - 20 or so HD/BR movies , all within the last 10 months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have well over 200 CD's that I paid full retail for at legitimate stores.
I listen to music all day at work and for many years enjoyed my collection digitized and copied to whatever machine I was working on.
That said, I haven't purchased a CD in over 3 years, and I don't download mp3s or touch any torrents of any kind.
I switched to shoutcast streams many years ago, and as of a little over a year ago I started using Pandora.com and haven't looked back.
I buy and play games for my xbox and my PC.
I purchase movies (I still haven't paid more than $10 for an HD movie, MPC + HD/BR player FTW).
Anyway, that said - if you were to graph my spending over the last decade 1999-2009 you would see a lot of money going to the music industry (15-25albums /year @$15 each) dwindling down to nothing as of about 2005.
Some spending on games (probably 5-8/year @ 50 each) staying pretty consistent with a slight upswing in the last 4 years.
Movies, didn't buy all that many VHS, have probably 80 or so DVD's (at probably 10/year) - 20 or so HD/BR movies, all within the last 10 months.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314639</id>
	<title>Not surprised</title>
	<author>icsx</author>
	<datestamp>1244803680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every goddamn radiostation plays the same tunes over and over multiple times a day. Why buy the music if you hear it anyways? Instead, buy some other entertainment like Games and movies. The first one lasts longer than 1 music cd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every goddamn radiostation plays the same tunes over and over multiple times a day .
Why buy the music if you hear it anyways ?
Instead , buy some other entertainment like Games and movies .
The first one lasts longer than 1 music cd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every goddamn radiostation plays the same tunes over and over multiple times a day.
Why buy the music if you hear it anyways?
Instead, buy some other entertainment like Games and movies.
The first one lasts longer than 1 music cd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28317141</id>
	<title>Guitars</title>
	<author>RazorSharp</author>
	<datestamp>1244824800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that one thing that is being overlooked is out gigantic the guitar industry is. A lot of people play guitar and a lot of them are extremely good at it. In fact, there are so many people who can rock axe that being a "rock star" has been reduced to cheap commodity status. So those guys, instead of signing multi-million dollar contracts like they would with their talent had they been around with it twenty years ago, are now recording themselves with Logic or Pro Tools or whatever. Go to a bar and you'll find better music than you will on the radio. On top of that one has to consider how easy pop music is to make with programs like Logic. Music just isn't a multimillion dollar industry anymore. It's been reaching this point for a while - the whole rock star concept is selling a personality before music. Blame Elvis<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>Anyway, I don't know why everyone finds it so peculiar, as a musician I find it bizarre that people think that their ability to do what the guy in the Free Credit Report commercials does is somehow awe-inspiring. The only reason music was a multimillion dollar industry was because recording technology was expensive and distribution methods were cumbersome. Now with Garage Band and the internet any dimwit can create a song that would have made him famous in the eighties and go to one of the many websites in which amateur musicians swap songs. I predict the music industry will continue to suffer because not even the personalities are selling anymore (unless they have a t.v. show or license their music to a video game). With the internet - YouTube, MySpace, ect. - an advertising firm or movie studio or whatever can find the song they need without the middleman recording industry.</p><p>As a guitarist, I don't buy music often, but when I do it's off iTunes (what do I need a disc for?). I don't have a radio in my car so I have no idea what's out there but I don't care. I'm not a kid anymore, I don't idolize rock stars. I'd rather play a gig at a bar and enjoy myself than deal with the stress and pandemonium of a sold out arena.</p><p>Hell - the Jonas Brother's and Hannah Montana are the most successful acts out there - doesn't that tell ya something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that one thing that is being overlooked is out gigantic the guitar industry is .
A lot of people play guitar and a lot of them are extremely good at it .
In fact , there are so many people who can rock axe that being a " rock star " has been reduced to cheap commodity status .
So those guys , instead of signing multi-million dollar contracts like they would with their talent had they been around with it twenty years ago , are now recording themselves with Logic or Pro Tools or whatever .
Go to a bar and you 'll find better music than you will on the radio .
On top of that one has to consider how easy pop music is to make with programs like Logic .
Music just is n't a multimillion dollar industry anymore .
It 's been reaching this point for a while - the whole rock star concept is selling a personality before music .
Blame Elvis : PAnyway , I do n't know why everyone finds it so peculiar , as a musician I find it bizarre that people think that their ability to do what the guy in the Free Credit Report commercials does is somehow awe-inspiring .
The only reason music was a multimillion dollar industry was because recording technology was expensive and distribution methods were cumbersome .
Now with Garage Band and the internet any dimwit can create a song that would have made him famous in the eighties and go to one of the many websites in which amateur musicians swap songs .
I predict the music industry will continue to suffer because not even the personalities are selling anymore ( unless they have a t.v .
show or license their music to a video game ) .
With the internet - YouTube , MySpace , ect .
- an advertising firm or movie studio or whatever can find the song they need without the middleman recording industry.As a guitarist , I do n't buy music often , but when I do it 's off iTunes ( what do I need a disc for ? ) .
I do n't have a radio in my car so I have no idea what 's out there but I do n't care .
I 'm not a kid anymore , I do n't idolize rock stars .
I 'd rather play a gig at a bar and enjoy myself than deal with the stress and pandemonium of a sold out arena.Hell - the Jonas Brother 's and Hannah Montana are the most successful acts out there - does n't that tell ya something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that one thing that is being overlooked is out gigantic the guitar industry is.
A lot of people play guitar and a lot of them are extremely good at it.
In fact, there are so many people who can rock axe that being a "rock star" has been reduced to cheap commodity status.
So those guys, instead of signing multi-million dollar contracts like they would with their talent had they been around with it twenty years ago, are now recording themselves with Logic or Pro Tools or whatever.
Go to a bar and you'll find better music than you will on the radio.
On top of that one has to consider how easy pop music is to make with programs like Logic.
Music just isn't a multimillion dollar industry anymore.
It's been reaching this point for a while - the whole rock star concept is selling a personality before music.
Blame Elvis :PAnyway, I don't know why everyone finds it so peculiar, as a musician I find it bizarre that people think that their ability to do what the guy in the Free Credit Report commercials does is somehow awe-inspiring.
The only reason music was a multimillion dollar industry was because recording technology was expensive and distribution methods were cumbersome.
Now with Garage Band and the internet any dimwit can create a song that would have made him famous in the eighties and go to one of the many websites in which amateur musicians swap songs.
I predict the music industry will continue to suffer because not even the personalities are selling anymore (unless they have a t.v.
show or license their music to a video game).
With the internet - YouTube, MySpace, ect.
- an advertising firm or movie studio or whatever can find the song they need without the middleman recording industry.As a guitarist, I don't buy music often, but when I do it's off iTunes (what do I need a disc for?).
I don't have a radio in my car so I have no idea what's out there but I don't care.
I'm not a kid anymore, I don't idolize rock stars.
I'd rather play a gig at a bar and enjoy myself than deal with the stress and pandemonium of a sold out arena.Hell - the Jonas Brother's and Hannah Montana are the most successful acts out there - doesn't that tell ya something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314955</id>
	<title>Screwing the artists?</title>
	<author>Thomasje</author>
	<datestamp>1244805660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I hear some music I like, on the radio, and I then buy the CD, the artist makes some money; if a friend of mine already has the CD and I make a copy, the artist gets stiffed. *I* still get the music, but the people who made it don't get paid.
<p>
I totally understand that artists, the **AA, the IP lobby, etc., have a problem with piracy. It may not be "theft" in the same sense as "stealing someone's car", but it is still a breach of the social contract. Artists spend a lot of time and effort creating art (music, novels, TV shows, whatever), and if we all want to continue to enjoy that art, we're going to have to pay for it. Trying to get it for free is cheating, plain and simple.
</p><p>
On the other hand, for the IP lobby to claim that every illegal copy of a $10 CD represents a $10 loss to the economy is just fucked up. That $10 is going to get spent elsewhere. With the exception of a small handful of filthy rich people, everyone spends every cent they make; maybe not the same day they receive their paychecks, but the next month, or maybe next year. If some kid doesn't spend $10 on the latest Britney Spears CD, because they got a free illegal download instead, they're going to spend it on a movie ticket, a haircut, a book, maybe some gas for their car.
</p><p>
We should all be <b>promoting</b> copyright violations, because local businesses would run out of teenage customers otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I hear some music I like , on the radio , and I then buy the CD , the artist makes some money ; if a friend of mine already has the CD and I make a copy , the artist gets stiffed .
* I * still get the music , but the people who made it do n't get paid .
I totally understand that artists , the * * AA , the IP lobby , etc. , have a problem with piracy .
It may not be " theft " in the same sense as " stealing someone 's car " , but it is still a breach of the social contract .
Artists spend a lot of time and effort creating art ( music , novels , TV shows , whatever ) , and if we all want to continue to enjoy that art , we 're going to have to pay for it .
Trying to get it for free is cheating , plain and simple .
On the other hand , for the IP lobby to claim that every illegal copy of a $ 10 CD represents a $ 10 loss to the economy is just fucked up .
That $ 10 is going to get spent elsewhere .
With the exception of a small handful of filthy rich people , everyone spends every cent they make ; maybe not the same day they receive their paychecks , but the next month , or maybe next year .
If some kid does n't spend $ 10 on the latest Britney Spears CD , because they got a free illegal download instead , they 're going to spend it on a movie ticket , a haircut , a book , maybe some gas for their car .
We should all be promoting copyright violations , because local businesses would run out of teenage customers otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I hear some music I like, on the radio, and I then buy the CD, the artist makes some money; if a friend of mine already has the CD and I make a copy, the artist gets stiffed.
*I* still get the music, but the people who made it don't get paid.
I totally understand that artists, the **AA, the IP lobby, etc., have a problem with piracy.
It may not be "theft" in the same sense as "stealing someone's car", but it is still a breach of the social contract.
Artists spend a lot of time and effort creating art (music, novels, TV shows, whatever), and if we all want to continue to enjoy that art, we're going to have to pay for it.
Trying to get it for free is cheating, plain and simple.
On the other hand, for the IP lobby to claim that every illegal copy of a $10 CD represents a $10 loss to the economy is just fucked up.
That $10 is going to get spent elsewhere.
With the exception of a small handful of filthy rich people, everyone spends every cent they make; maybe not the same day they receive their paychecks, but the next month, or maybe next year.
If some kid doesn't spend $10 on the latest Britney Spears CD, because they got a free illegal download instead, they're going to spend it on a movie ticket, a haircut, a book, maybe some gas for their car.
We should all be promoting copyright violations, because local businesses would run out of teenage customers otherwise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316077</id>
	<title>Re:Don't forget Disney...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244813940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, most music has been useless crap.<br>Seriously, we remember the good stuff and for get about the thousands pieces of crap that surrounded it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , most music has been useless crap.Seriously , we remember the good stuff and for get about the thousands pieces of crap that surrounded it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, most music has been useless crap.Seriously, we remember the good stuff and for get about the thousands pieces of crap that surrounded it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314705</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314931</id>
	<title>No, really?</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1244805540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've said this for a while.</p><p>People only have a finite amount of money. What the music industry has failed to grasp is that it no longer has a near monopoly on entertainment that it shared with the likes of the movie industry for the decades before the internet. It now has to compete with a bigger set of movies than ever before, it has to compete with the games industry and really for teenagers it even has to compete with things like text message costs and so on.</p><p>The music industry isn't in competition with piracy, it's in competition with every other form of entertainment expenditure out there. The only way to win that battle is how you would win a single industry battle - provide the most attractive product.</p><p>When people can buy their computer games, say, Rock Band, and get their music as part of that, they'll be less inclined to buy the music alone.</p><p>The same goes for those developers complaining about people pirating their games but if people can only afford one game, they'll buy the best game, that doesn't stop them wanting to play the other game though, they simply don't have money for both, so they'll buy the better one and pirate the not so good one.</p><p>It's simple business competition through and through - again, make a good product and you'll get your fair share of sales from people who think your product is the one worth paying for. Try and sell people crap, or try and sell people the same thing multiple times in multiple formats and don't be suprised when it's not your product they choose to spend their money on.</p><p>I'm sure some people will try to argue it's immoral that people do this and that's a fair enough argument, but arguing the morality of it doesn't change the reality of it and anyone with any business sense would realise that and make sure their business factors it in and produces a product good enough to get their share of the finite pool of consumer cash out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've said this for a while.People only have a finite amount of money .
What the music industry has failed to grasp is that it no longer has a near monopoly on entertainment that it shared with the likes of the movie industry for the decades before the internet .
It now has to compete with a bigger set of movies than ever before , it has to compete with the games industry and really for teenagers it even has to compete with things like text message costs and so on.The music industry is n't in competition with piracy , it 's in competition with every other form of entertainment expenditure out there .
The only way to win that battle is how you would win a single industry battle - provide the most attractive product.When people can buy their computer games , say , Rock Band , and get their music as part of that , they 'll be less inclined to buy the music alone.The same goes for those developers complaining about people pirating their games but if people can only afford one game , they 'll buy the best game , that does n't stop them wanting to play the other game though , they simply do n't have money for both , so they 'll buy the better one and pirate the not so good one.It 's simple business competition through and through - again , make a good product and you 'll get your fair share of sales from people who think your product is the one worth paying for .
Try and sell people crap , or try and sell people the same thing multiple times in multiple formats and do n't be suprised when it 's not your product they choose to spend their money on.I 'm sure some people will try to argue it 's immoral that people do this and that 's a fair enough argument , but arguing the morality of it does n't change the reality of it and anyone with any business sense would realise that and make sure their business factors it in and produces a product good enough to get their share of the finite pool of consumer cash out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've said this for a while.People only have a finite amount of money.
What the music industry has failed to grasp is that it no longer has a near monopoly on entertainment that it shared with the likes of the movie industry for the decades before the internet.
It now has to compete with a bigger set of movies than ever before, it has to compete with the games industry and really for teenagers it even has to compete with things like text message costs and so on.The music industry isn't in competition with piracy, it's in competition with every other form of entertainment expenditure out there.
The only way to win that battle is how you would win a single industry battle - provide the most attractive product.When people can buy their computer games, say, Rock Band, and get their music as part of that, they'll be less inclined to buy the music alone.The same goes for those developers complaining about people pirating their games but if people can only afford one game, they'll buy the best game, that doesn't stop them wanting to play the other game though, they simply don't have money for both, so they'll buy the better one and pirate the not so good one.It's simple business competition through and through - again, make a good product and you'll get your fair share of sales from people who think your product is the one worth paying for.
Try and sell people crap, or try and sell people the same thing multiple times in multiple formats and don't be suprised when it's not your product they choose to spend their money on.I'm sure some people will try to argue it's immoral that people do this and that's a fair enough argument, but arguing the morality of it doesn't change the reality of it and anyone with any business sense would realise that and make sure their business factors it in and produces a product good enough to get their share of the finite pool of consumer cash out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315513</id>
	<title>There's another segment, too</title>
	<author>msobkow</author>
	<datestamp>1244809380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I download cracked games and MP3s to check out the content before I part with my hard-to-come-by money.  While I no longer spend nearly as much on either as I used to, I am much <i>happier</i> with the items I <i>do</i> purchase.
</p><p>
And no, you can't really get a feal for whether a game is going to be worth playing on your home system from a demo at the store.  Aside from that, the only game demos I see running are on <i>consoles</i>, not PCs.
</p><p>
Some music stores let you listen to a select set of albums before you buy them, but usually it's limited to the current top 10 or 20 CDs, which are rarely what I'm interested in.  For that matter, I find I just gave up on shopping at the local CD store and go straight to the internet to order new CDs -- the stuff I want is <i>rarely</i> stocked by the local stores.  (Ask them about Blind Pig Records and you just get a blank stare.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I download cracked games and MP3s to check out the content before I part with my hard-to-come-by money .
While I no longer spend nearly as much on either as I used to , I am much happier with the items I do purchase .
And no , you ca n't really get a feal for whether a game is going to be worth playing on your home system from a demo at the store .
Aside from that , the only game demos I see running are on consoles , not PCs .
Some music stores let you listen to a select set of albums before you buy them , but usually it 's limited to the current top 10 or 20 CDs , which are rarely what I 'm interested in .
For that matter , I find I just gave up on shopping at the local CD store and go straight to the internet to order new CDs -- the stuff I want is rarely stocked by the local stores .
( Ask them about Blind Pig Records and you just get a blank stare .
)</tokentext>
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I download cracked games and MP3s to check out the content before I part with my hard-to-come-by money.
While I no longer spend nearly as much on either as I used to, I am much happier with the items I do purchase.
And no, you can't really get a feal for whether a game is going to be worth playing on your home system from a demo at the store.
Aside from that, the only game demos I see running are on consoles, not PCs.
Some music stores let you listen to a select set of albums before you buy them, but usually it's limited to the current top 10 or 20 CDs, which are rarely what I'm interested in.
For that matter, I find I just gave up on shopping at the local CD store and go straight to the internet to order new CDs -- the stuff I want is rarely stocked by the local stores.
(Ask them about Blind Pig Records and you just get a blank stare.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28318171</id>
	<title>Re:Who would win in a fight?</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1244926680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The lawyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The lawyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The lawyers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315103</id>
	<title>You could also argue</title>
	<author>marcus</author>
	<datestamp>1244806560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That people buy games and DVDs these days instead of music because most of the music available now simply sucks.</p><p>For some time now(years?), most of the music-money I've spent has been back filling. I've been picking up (cheap) CDs of old albums that I never got around to purchasing in the past.</p><p>Finally got a copy of "The Bends" last week.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That people buy games and DVDs these days instead of music because most of the music available now simply sucks.For some time now ( years ?
) , most of the music-money I 've spent has been back filling .
I 've been picking up ( cheap ) CDs of old albums that I never got around to purchasing in the past.Finally got a copy of " The Bends " last week .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That people buy games and DVDs these days instead of music because most of the music available now simply sucks.For some time now(years?
), most of the music-money I've spent has been back filling.
I've been picking up (cheap) CDs of old albums that I never got around to purchasing in the past.Finally got a copy of "The Bends" last week.
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314921</id>
	<title>Games, time spent on Twitter, phone</title>
	<author>mapkinase</author>
	<datestamp>1244805480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Games, time spent on Twitter, phone, slashdot, reddit, digg, social networking, doing actually something useful with your life, you name it. This list of items that compete to some extent with activities like buying media either proves that comparing DVD sales to game sales is somehow unfair or somewhat uselessness of claims that downloading hurts media sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Games , time spent on Twitter , phone , slashdot , reddit , digg , social networking , doing actually something useful with your life , you name it .
This list of items that compete to some extent with activities like buying media either proves that comparing DVD sales to game sales is somehow unfair or somewhat uselessness of claims that downloading hurts media sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Games, time spent on Twitter, phone, slashdot, reddit, digg, social networking, doing actually something useful with your life, you name it.
This list of items that compete to some extent with activities like buying media either proves that comparing DVD sales to game sales is somehow unfair or somewhat uselessness of claims that downloading hurts media sales.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28318229</id>
	<title>World of Warcraft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244884380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am surprised no one else noticed that it's about when World of Warcraft was released that the "money spent on games" start to rise like mad.<br>And I am not saying that World of Warcraft is taking all of the money, but wasn't it the great success of WoW that made more and more games with subscription fees appear?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am surprised no one else noticed that it 's about when World of Warcraft was released that the " money spent on games " start to rise like mad.And I am not saying that World of Warcraft is taking all of the money , but was n't it the great success of WoW that made more and more games with subscription fees appear ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am surprised no one else noticed that it's about when World of Warcraft was released that the "money spent on games" start to rise like mad.And I am not saying that World of Warcraft is taking all of the money, but wasn't it the great success of WoW that made more and more games with subscription fees appear?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28318451</id>
	<title>This is kind of a no-brainer</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1244888700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wrote a letter to "Wired" stating essentially this... two or three years ago, in response to some article or another discussing music piracy.</p><p>When I was a kid (back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, of course), home entertainment media was pretty much your choice of LP, 45-single, cassette, or 8-track. In short, all products of the Recording Industry. Today, you have CDs, LPs (rarely) and downloads from those guys. But that same entertainment dollar is now also split between electronic gadgets, videos (DVD, Blu-Ray, that one guy still buying VHS), and gaming (console, pocket, online).</p><p>Then add in the fact that digital downloads re-introduced the single, and the whole industry plan that removed the single back in the 70s in favor of the whole album is gone... only now, they've grown dependent on selling whole albums. Then add in discounts on digital downloads... I've bought direct form the artist, from eMusic.com, and from Amazon.com. I only buy full albums, but if the digital version is near the CD price, I'll just buy the CD. When I can get an album for $2.00-$4.00, I probably buy the download.</p><p>And that's perhaps a good thing in the long run for the music industry. They'll have to adjust, and stop paying their relatively worthless executives so much. The new point of stability has a CD selling for under $10, so that it's seen as competitive with DVDs at $15 or video games at $30-$60.</p><p>They also need to acknowledge the actual role of record companies in the 21rst century, and price accordingly. There was a time when these guys were responsible for all sorts of artist development... they hired the backing band, they owned the studios, etc. It was very much the same artist management model use in Hollywood of the 40's and 50's. But today, you don't get a recording contract with a major label until you have a fully produced CD to show them... they're not even remotely part of any creative process at that level (they may get involved pushing established artists... after huge cuts to their rosters, due to cost reductions and mergers, they're more dependent than ever on a few big hits every year, despite the fact you can't really depend on that).</p><p>So the Big Label really has a purpose only as a publisher and distributer... the same thing book publishers do. Only, when I buy a Stephen King book, I see his copyright on the backside of the title page. When you buy most CDs, you'll see the record company claiming copyright. That's a projection of just how important they think they are, and when that starts to change, you'll know that there's maybe some hope for the industry. The big labels, or their replacements, will catch onto this... the only question is whether or not a record label still makes any sense, or generates any money, by the time they do. It's easy to see folks like Apple, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Best-Buy, and Starbucks replacing Sony, Warner Bros, EMI, etc. if things keep on their current path.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote a letter to " Wired " stating essentially this... two or three years ago , in response to some article or another discussing music piracy.When I was a kid ( back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth , of course ) , home entertainment media was pretty much your choice of LP , 45-single , cassette , or 8-track .
In short , all products of the Recording Industry .
Today , you have CDs , LPs ( rarely ) and downloads from those guys .
But that same entertainment dollar is now also split between electronic gadgets , videos ( DVD , Blu-Ray , that one guy still buying VHS ) , and gaming ( console , pocket , online ) .Then add in the fact that digital downloads re-introduced the single , and the whole industry plan that removed the single back in the 70s in favor of the whole album is gone... only now , they 've grown dependent on selling whole albums .
Then add in discounts on digital downloads... I 've bought direct form the artist , from eMusic.com , and from Amazon.com .
I only buy full albums , but if the digital version is near the CD price , I 'll just buy the CD .
When I can get an album for $ 2.00- $ 4.00 , I probably buy the download.And that 's perhaps a good thing in the long run for the music industry .
They 'll have to adjust , and stop paying their relatively worthless executives so much .
The new point of stability has a CD selling for under $ 10 , so that it 's seen as competitive with DVDs at $ 15 or video games at $ 30- $ 60.They also need to acknowledge the actual role of record companies in the 21rst century , and price accordingly .
There was a time when these guys were responsible for all sorts of artist development... they hired the backing band , they owned the studios , etc .
It was very much the same artist management model use in Hollywood of the 40 's and 50 's .
But today , you do n't get a recording contract with a major label until you have a fully produced CD to show them... they 're not even remotely part of any creative process at that level ( they may get involved pushing established artists... after huge cuts to their rosters , due to cost reductions and mergers , they 're more dependent than ever on a few big hits every year , despite the fact you ca n't really depend on that ) .So the Big Label really has a purpose only as a publisher and distributer... the same thing book publishers do .
Only , when I buy a Stephen King book , I see his copyright on the backside of the title page .
When you buy most CDs , you 'll see the record company claiming copyright .
That 's a projection of just how important they think they are , and when that starts to change , you 'll know that there 's maybe some hope for the industry .
The big labels , or their replacements , will catch onto this... the only question is whether or not a record label still makes any sense , or generates any money , by the time they do .
It 's easy to see folks like Apple , Wal-Mart , Amazon , Best-Buy , and Starbucks replacing Sony , Warner Bros , EMI , etc .
if things keep on their current path .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote a letter to "Wired" stating essentially this... two or three years ago, in response to some article or another discussing music piracy.When I was a kid (back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, of course), home entertainment media was pretty much your choice of LP, 45-single, cassette, or 8-track.
In short, all products of the Recording Industry.
Today, you have CDs, LPs (rarely) and downloads from those guys.
But that same entertainment dollar is now also split between electronic gadgets, videos (DVD, Blu-Ray, that one guy still buying VHS), and gaming (console, pocket, online).Then add in the fact that digital downloads re-introduced the single, and the whole industry plan that removed the single back in the 70s in favor of the whole album is gone... only now, they've grown dependent on selling whole albums.
Then add in discounts on digital downloads... I've bought direct form the artist, from eMusic.com, and from Amazon.com.
I only buy full albums, but if the digital version is near the CD price, I'll just buy the CD.
When I can get an album for $2.00-$4.00, I probably buy the download.And that's perhaps a good thing in the long run for the music industry.
They'll have to adjust, and stop paying their relatively worthless executives so much.
The new point of stability has a CD selling for under $10, so that it's seen as competitive with DVDs at $15 or video games at $30-$60.They also need to acknowledge the actual role of record companies in the 21rst century, and price accordingly.
There was a time when these guys were responsible for all sorts of artist development... they hired the backing band, they owned the studios, etc.
It was very much the same artist management model use in Hollywood of the 40's and 50's.
But today, you don't get a recording contract with a major label until you have a fully produced CD to show them... they're not even remotely part of any creative process at that level (they may get involved pushing established artists... after huge cuts to their rosters, due to cost reductions and mergers, they're more dependent than ever on a few big hits every year, despite the fact you can't really depend on that).So the Big Label really has a purpose only as a publisher and distributer... the same thing book publishers do.
Only, when I buy a Stephen King book, I see his copyright on the backside of the title page.
When you buy most CDs, you'll see the record company claiming copyright.
That's a projection of just how important they think they are, and when that starts to change, you'll know that there's maybe some hope for the industry.
The big labels, or their replacements, will catch onto this... the only question is whether or not a record label still makes any sense, or generates any money, by the time they do.
It's easy to see folks like Apple, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Best-Buy, and Starbucks replacing Sony, Warner Bros, EMI, etc.
if things keep on their current path.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314823</id>
	<title>Supply and Demand</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1244804580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The argument that 1 download = 1 lost sale was always pretty silly. Obviously the demand for something that costs $0 is going to be greater than if it costs $20.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The argument that 1 download = 1 lost sale was always pretty silly .
Obviously the demand for something that costs $ 0 is going to be greater than if it costs $ 20 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The argument that 1 download = 1 lost sale was always pretty silly.
Obviously the demand for something that costs $0 is going to be greater than if it costs $20.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314637</id>
	<title>RIAA blood suckers</title>
	<author>ezwip</author>
	<datestamp>1244803620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Eminem is suing apple for refusal to pay him for iTunes. Other artists are lining up around the block. MTV also allowed apple to air his commercials with kids humming his beats and did not pay him a dime. That's their idea of fair. Where is the RIAA to get him his money? Oh wait they only get money for the record companies not the artists who get NOTHING for an mp3.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eminem is suing apple for refusal to pay him for iTunes .
Other artists are lining up around the block .
MTV also allowed apple to air his commercials with kids humming his beats and did not pay him a dime .
That 's their idea of fair .
Where is the RIAA to get him his money ?
Oh wait they only get money for the record companies not the artists who get NOTHING for an mp3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eminem is suing apple for refusal to pay him for iTunes.
Other artists are lining up around the block.
MTV also allowed apple to air his commercials with kids humming his beats and did not pay him a dime.
That's their idea of fair.
Where is the RIAA to get him his money?
Oh wait they only get money for the record companies not the artists who get NOTHING for an mp3.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315151</id>
	<title>Re:Business model: FAIL</title>
	<author>DM9290</author>
	<datestamp>1244806800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>  I honestly think soon there will be something to make music better than it is right now, but I have know idea how that is possible, any suggestions?</p></div><p>learn how to play an instrument</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I honestly think soon there will be something to make music better than it is right now , but I have know idea how that is possible , any suggestions ? learn how to play an instrument</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  I honestly think soon there will be something to make music better than it is right now, but I have know idea how that is possible, any suggestions?learn how to play an instrument
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28317685</id>
	<title>Re:People need to recognize what business they're</title>
	<author>blackest\_k</author>
	<datestamp>1244832540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well said , and with that thought in mind i'm off fishing. The Mackerel have been showing up occasionally this week and if not watching the sun rise and getting some fresh air and exercise sets you up for the day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said , and with that thought in mind i 'm off fishing .
The Mackerel have been showing up occasionally this week and if not watching the sun rise and getting some fresh air and exercise sets you up for the day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said , and with that thought in mind i'm off fishing.
The Mackerel have been showing up occasionally this week and if not watching the sun rise and getting some fresh air and exercise sets you up for the day.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314767</id>
	<title>Inconvenient truth?</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1244804220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is the InconvenientTruth tag?  It's interesting how a fresh perspective on an issue sheds an interesting new light.  Of course this is to be expected.  The music industry and all of "entertainment" have probably been quite aware of this.  But when delivering a plea to legislators and making arguments for why various manufacturers should support a particular measure or restriction, it doesn't help them to tell the complete truth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is the InconvenientTruth tag ?
It 's interesting how a fresh perspective on an issue sheds an interesting new light .
Of course this is to be expected .
The music industry and all of " entertainment " have probably been quite aware of this .
But when delivering a plea to legislators and making arguments for why various manufacturers should support a particular measure or restriction , it does n't help them to tell the complete truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is the InconvenientTruth tag?
It's interesting how a fresh perspective on an issue sheds an interesting new light.
Of course this is to be expected.
The music industry and all of "entertainment" have probably been quite aware of this.
But when delivering a plea to legislators and making arguments for why various manufacturers should support a particular measure or restriction, it doesn't help them to tell the complete truth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28321795</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1244924520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pffft...</p><p>With 30 bux I can buy a LOT more "movie" content than just a couple of movies.</p><p>I can buy 4 moderately cheap movies.<br>I can buy 6 really cheap movies.<br>I can buy an entire season of some 2nd tier TV series.<br>I can buy a couple of seasons of something that's in less demand.</p><p>$30 buys a lot of DVD content these days.</p><p>This is something that gets brought up any time this subject comes up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pffft...With 30 bux I can buy a LOT more " movie " content than just a couple of movies.I can buy 4 moderately cheap movies.I can buy 6 really cheap movies.I can buy an entire season of some 2nd tier TV series.I can buy a couple of seasons of something that 's in less demand. $ 30 buys a lot of DVD content these days.This is something that gets brought up any time this subject comes up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pffft...With 30 bux I can buy a LOT more "movie" content than just a couple of movies.I can buy 4 moderately cheap movies.I can buy 6 really cheap movies.I can buy an entire season of some 2nd tier TV series.I can buy a couple of seasons of something that's in less demand.$30 buys a lot of DVD content these days.This is something that gets brought up any time this subject comes up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315125</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of Blu-Ray!</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1244806680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They tried something like that with the DVD-MUSIC format and I saw around 10 discs for it and only one set-top player with the balls to say it supported it on the faceplate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They tried something like that with the DVD-MUSIC format and I saw around 10 discs for it and only one set-top player with the balls to say it supported it on the faceplate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They tried something like that with the DVD-MUSIC format and I saw around 10 discs for it and only one set-top player with the balls to say it supported it on the faceplate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314879</id>
	<title>Now for the opposite argument</title>
	<author>dirk</author>
	<datestamp>1244805120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So games and DVD sales are hurting music sales?  If you take away the fact that people can pirate music, what happens then?  Do people take some of the money they have been putting into games and DVDs and put it back into buying music?  They obviously think music is worthwhile, otherwise they wouldn't even be bothering to download it.</p><p>You can't just say "well, other things are up, so I think it's those things" without factoring in that music can be had for free easily and that may be a factor in why games and DVDs are doing so well in sales (those can be pirated, but the size alone makes it more difficult to pirate than music).  It's not as easy as "pirating is the one thing that is killing the music industry" but you have to at least factor it in because it is there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So games and DVD sales are hurting music sales ?
If you take away the fact that people can pirate music , what happens then ?
Do people take some of the money they have been putting into games and DVDs and put it back into buying music ?
They obviously think music is worthwhile , otherwise they would n't even be bothering to download it.You ca n't just say " well , other things are up , so I think it 's those things " without factoring in that music can be had for free easily and that may be a factor in why games and DVDs are doing so well in sales ( those can be pirated , but the size alone makes it more difficult to pirate than music ) .
It 's not as easy as " pirating is the one thing that is killing the music industry " but you have to at least factor it in because it is there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So games and DVD sales are hurting music sales?
If you take away the fact that people can pirate music, what happens then?
Do people take some of the money they have been putting into games and DVDs and put it back into buying music?
They obviously think music is worthwhile, otherwise they wouldn't even be bothering to download it.You can't just say "well, other things are up, so I think it's those things" without factoring in that music can be had for free easily and that may be a factor in why games and DVDs are doing so well in sales (those can be pirated, but the size alone makes it more difficult to pirate than music).
It's not as easy as "pirating is the one thing that is killing the music industry" but you have to at least factor it in because it is there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314609</id>
	<title>Who would have thought?</title>
	<author>Foobar of Borg</author>
	<datestamp>1244803560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, apparently, constant threats of lawsuits might cause people to spend their entertainment money elsewhere.  It's kind of like with those Capitol One mailers.  On the back of the envelope it says something like "tampering with or changing the contents of this envelope may subject you to legal action."  Oh yeah, I am so going to get a credit card from people who start off threatening to sue me (and for what?).  Same thing with the RIAA.  You sue your customers, we go elsewhere and tell you where you can stick those shiny, plastic discs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , apparently , constant threats of lawsuits might cause people to spend their entertainment money elsewhere .
It 's kind of like with those Capitol One mailers .
On the back of the envelope it says something like " tampering with or changing the contents of this envelope may subject you to legal action .
" Oh yeah , I am so going to get a credit card from people who start off threatening to sue me ( and for what ? ) .
Same thing with the RIAA .
You sue your customers , we go elsewhere and tell you where you can stick those shiny , plastic discs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, apparently, constant threats of lawsuits might cause people to spend their entertainment money elsewhere.
It's kind of like with those Capitol One mailers.
On the back of the envelope it says something like "tampering with or changing the contents of this envelope may subject you to legal action.
"  Oh yeah, I am so going to get a credit card from people who start off threatening to sue me (and for what?).
Same thing with the RIAA.
You sue your customers, we go elsewhere and tell you where you can stick those shiny, plastic discs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315115</id>
	<title>Re:News Flash:</title>
	<author>dontmakemethink</author>
	<datestamp>1244806680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lack of quality customers hurting music industry more than music quality.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you.  It needed the perspective of a touring musician.  (Tonight I'm playing show #23 of 26 shows in 25 days)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lack of quality customers hurting music industry more than music quality.Fixed that for you .
It needed the perspective of a touring musician .
( Tonight I 'm playing show # 23 of 26 shows in 25 days )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lack of quality customers hurting music industry more than music quality.Fixed that for you.
It needed the perspective of a touring musician.
(Tonight I'm playing show #23 of 26 shows in 25 days)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314843</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314723</id>
	<title>Oblig. XKCD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244804040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://xkcd.com/552/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //xkcd.com/552/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://xkcd.com/552/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316381</id>
	<title>I don't see the relationship</title>
	<author>turing\_m</author>
	<datestamp>1244816700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you have the skills to not pay for music or movies, you have the skills to not pay for games. Yet game sales are increasing and music sales are diminishing.
<br> <br>
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that games of today have orders of magnitude more budget than they did 10 or 20 years ago, hardware to match, etc, and it makes a huge difference. Combine the increase in immersion with a good story and you are golden. The other thing is that entertainment companies are also competing for your entertainment <i>time</i> budget. If you are playing Evercrack 24/7, you don't have much time to listen to music. And even if you did, Pink Floyd/Nirvana/Tool/Metallica/Beethoven/$GENRE\_DEFINING\_BAND still sounds as good coming from the discount rack as it did when it was created. OTOH you can't really compare Pong with say, Bioshock.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have the skills to not pay for music or movies , you have the skills to not pay for games .
Yet game sales are increasing and music sales are diminishing .
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that games of today have orders of magnitude more budget than they did 10 or 20 years ago , hardware to match , etc , and it makes a huge difference .
Combine the increase in immersion with a good story and you are golden .
The other thing is that entertainment companies are also competing for your entertainment time budget .
If you are playing Evercrack 24/7 , you do n't have much time to listen to music .
And even if you did , Pink Floyd/Nirvana/Tool/Metallica/Beethoven/ $ GENRE \ _DEFINING \ _BAND still sounds as good coming from the discount rack as it did when it was created .
OTOH you ca n't really compare Pong with say , Bioshock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have the skills to not pay for music or movies, you have the skills to not pay for games.
Yet game sales are increasing and music sales are diminishing.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that games of today have orders of magnitude more budget than they did 10 or 20 years ago, hardware to match, etc, and it makes a huge difference.
Combine the increase in immersion with a good story and you are golden.
The other thing is that entertainment companies are also competing for your entertainment time budget.
If you are playing Evercrack 24/7, you don't have much time to listen to music.
And even if you did, Pink Floyd/Nirvana/Tool/Metallica/Beethoven/$GENRE\_DEFINING\_BAND still sounds as good coming from the discount rack as it did when it was created.
OTOH you can't really compare Pong with say, Bioshock.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315237</id>
	<title>Re:Don't forget Disney...</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1244807460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The music industry has killed the CD by focusing on bag sales and forcing decent artists to focus (thank god) on live gigs.</p></div><p>It makes it much harder to justify being a full time musician thou, when you can't make a living without making a "deal with the devil" so to speak, and it really works well for local bands to have a place to do live gigs continuously, but I would have to really like a band to go to a concert anyway I would much rather just give them money directly to survive on make good music. Its a thought I think most professional musicians have lost, "If you are really good, people WANT to pay you."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The music industry has killed the CD by focusing on bag sales and forcing decent artists to focus ( thank god ) on live gigs.It makes it much harder to justify being a full time musician thou , when you ca n't make a living without making a " deal with the devil " so to speak , and it really works well for local bands to have a place to do live gigs continuously , but I would have to really like a band to go to a concert anyway I would much rather just give them money directly to survive on make good music .
Its a thought I think most professional musicians have lost , " If you are really good , people WANT to pay you .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The music industry has killed the CD by focusing on bag sales and forcing decent artists to focus (thank god) on live gigs.It makes it much harder to justify being a full time musician thou, when you can't make a living without making a "deal with the devil" so to speak, and it really works well for local bands to have a place to do live gigs continuously, but I would have to really like a band to go to a concert anyway I would much rather just give them money directly to survive on make good music.
Its a thought I think most professional musicians have lost, "If you are really good, people WANT to pay you.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314705</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28317413</id>
	<title>The answer is simple</title>
	<author>genner</author>
	<datestamp>1244828580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sell more video game soundtracks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sell more video game soundtracks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sell more video game soundtracks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314929</id>
	<title>now this i would believe...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244805480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they had phrased this as "People spend more money on games because pirating them is more difficult than pirating music", I would agree with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they had phrased this as " People spend more money on games because pirating them is more difficult than pirating music " , I would agree with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they had phrased this as "People spend more money on games because pirating them is more difficult than pirating music", I would agree with that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314887</id>
	<title>I disagree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244805180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's poor product that is hurting sales. Put the blame where it belongs, with the RIAA cartel itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's poor product that is hurting sales .
Put the blame where it belongs , with the RIAA cartel itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's poor product that is hurting sales.
Put the blame where it belongs, with the RIAA cartel itself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28323651</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1244899980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have never purchased music, what's the point? Practically no one I know does we all download and share it, I have even thought about setting up a jungle disk for mass collaboration.</p><p>DVDs are different I download them along with most of the people I know and we trade them at lans the same way we do with music. But myself and most of my mates also buy DVDs, If it had not been for lan trading there are many great shows I would not have purchased. For example a few years ago I obtained 8 series of Red Dwarf then only a month ago I purchased the entire series. Another example is The Big Bang Theory I obtained a pirate copy of series 1 earlier this year now I own the DVD and this is a show I would never have known existed had it not been for piracy.</p><p>Piracy boosts sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never purchased music , what 's the point ?
Practically no one I know does we all download and share it , I have even thought about setting up a jungle disk for mass collaboration.DVDs are different I download them along with most of the people I know and we trade them at lans the same way we do with music .
But myself and most of my mates also buy DVDs , If it had not been for lan trading there are many great shows I would not have purchased .
For example a few years ago I obtained 8 series of Red Dwarf then only a month ago I purchased the entire series .
Another example is The Big Bang Theory I obtained a pirate copy of series 1 earlier this year now I own the DVD and this is a show I would never have known existed had it not been for piracy.Piracy boosts sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never purchased music, what's the point?
Practically no one I know does we all download and share it, I have even thought about setting up a jungle disk for mass collaboration.DVDs are different I download them along with most of the people I know and we trade them at lans the same way we do with music.
But myself and most of my mates also buy DVDs, If it had not been for lan trading there are many great shows I would not have purchased.
For example a few years ago I obtained 8 series of Red Dwarf then only a month ago I purchased the entire series.
Another example is The Big Bang Theory I obtained a pirate copy of series 1 earlier this year now I own the DVD and this is a show I would never have known existed had it not been for piracy.Piracy boosts sales.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314683</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315065</id>
	<title>Re:Who would win in a fight?</title>
	<author>bobstreo</author>
	<datestamp>1244806320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google says:</p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=riaa\%2C+mpaa&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/trends?q=riaa\%2C+mpaa&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google says : http : //www.google.com/trends ? q = riaa \ % 2C + mpaa&amp;ctab = 0&amp;geo = all&amp;date = all&amp;sort = 0 [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google says:http://www.google.com/trends?q=riaa\%2C+mpaa&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0 [google.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314587</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28319339</id>
	<title>Music doesn't sell because it sucks</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1244903040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most music is shallow, unimaginative shit aimed at the lowest common denominator. Is it any surprise people don't value it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most music is shallow , unimaginative shit aimed at the lowest common denominator .
Is it any surprise people do n't value it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most music is shallow, unimaginative shit aimed at the lowest common denominator.
Is it any surprise people don't value it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28319685</id>
	<title>Ahh the new scientific method</title>
	<author>Shadowmist</author>
	<datestamp>1244906700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1.  State a conclusion  and put forth your premise
2.  Quote at best a barely related statistic,  relevant facts are for academic types
3.  Become a Slashdot author and gain user cred by advocating the "You're not doing anything wrong by pirating the music you want instead of paying for it.
4.  NonProfit!</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
State a conclusion and put forth your premise 2 .
Quote at best a barely related statistic , relevant facts are for academic types 3 .
Become a Slashdot author and gain user cred by advocating the " You 're not doing anything wrong by pirating the music you want instead of paying for it .
4. NonProfit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
State a conclusion  and put forth your premise
2.
Quote at best a barely related statistic,  relevant facts are for academic types
3.
Become a Slashdot author and gain user cred by advocating the "You're not doing anything wrong by pirating the music you want instead of paying for it.
4.  NonProfit!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28318113</id>
	<title>It is what your money is worth</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1244925840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy a CD and you have 1 hour of music. Buy a DVD and you have more then one hour of film or even music AND you have images that go with it. Not only sound. A game adds interaction to that as well.</p><p>The few times I buy music, I buy a DVD version. e.g. when buying the Guano Apes DVD, it contained the live version, all their clips AND the previous album. This was for the same price as the CD.</p><p>Also people still have only 100\% they can spend, just as they used to in the good old days. I had to spend on rent, food, fixed phonebill and such. The rest I could spend on drinks and music. No VCR at that time.</p><p>Now a person in the same situation who spends an equal amount on drinks will have about the same percentage that I spend on music, but has to spend it not only on music, but also on his movies and games. Oh and let us not forget his internet and such.</p><p>Now as there is not enough time there, the place where money is taken away from is from the drinks. I live in a Student city and you can clearly see that cafe's and pubs are less busy then they used to be. This means less money for the local economy as these are eitehr privatly owned or owned by the brewery and I live in the hometown of the largest brewery company in the world, Leuven.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a CD and you have 1 hour of music .
Buy a DVD and you have more then one hour of film or even music AND you have images that go with it .
Not only sound .
A game adds interaction to that as well.The few times I buy music , I buy a DVD version .
e.g. when buying the Guano Apes DVD , it contained the live version , all their clips AND the previous album .
This was for the same price as the CD.Also people still have only 100 \ % they can spend , just as they used to in the good old days .
I had to spend on rent , food , fixed phonebill and such .
The rest I could spend on drinks and music .
No VCR at that time.Now a person in the same situation who spends an equal amount on drinks will have about the same percentage that I spend on music , but has to spend it not only on music , but also on his movies and games .
Oh and let us not forget his internet and such.Now as there is not enough time there , the place where money is taken away from is from the drinks .
I live in a Student city and you can clearly see that cafe 's and pubs are less busy then they used to be .
This means less money for the local economy as these are eitehr privatly owned or owned by the brewery and I live in the hometown of the largest brewery company in the world , Leuven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a CD and you have 1 hour of music.
Buy a DVD and you have more then one hour of film or even music AND you have images that go with it.
Not only sound.
A game adds interaction to that as well.The few times I buy music, I buy a DVD version.
e.g. when buying the Guano Apes DVD, it contained the live version, all their clips AND the previous album.
This was for the same price as the CD.Also people still have only 100\% they can spend, just as they used to in the good old days.
I had to spend on rent, food, fixed phonebill and such.
The rest I could spend on drinks and music.
No VCR at that time.Now a person in the same situation who spends an equal amount on drinks will have about the same percentage that I spend on music, but has to spend it not only on music, but also on his movies and games.
Oh and let us not forget his internet and such.Now as there is not enough time there, the place where money is taken away from is from the drinks.
I live in a Student city and you can clearly see that cafe's and pubs are less busy then they used to be.
This means less money for the local economy as these are eitehr privatly owned or owned by the brewery and I live in the hometown of the largest brewery company in the world, Leuven.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314741</id>
	<title>Oh come on...</title>
	<author>lanceran</author>
	<datestamp>1244804160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...wait till somebody tells them that you can actually download video games as well!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...wait till somebody tells them that you can actually download video games as well !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...wait till somebody tells them that you can actually download video games as well!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314573</id>
	<title>What's needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244803320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's needed is someone with lots of disposable funds who can embrace the internet as a means of hype and content distribution.<br> <br>Obviously, no one else has picked it up, so if anyone rich happens to want to start a production label, now's a good time to catch the hearts of lots of bored internet addicts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's needed is someone with lots of disposable funds who can embrace the internet as a means of hype and content distribution .
Obviously , no one else has picked it up , so if anyone rich happens to want to start a production label , now 's a good time to catch the hearts of lots of bored internet addicts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's needed is someone with lots of disposable funds who can embrace the internet as a means of hype and content distribution.
Obviously, no one else has picked it up, so if anyone rich happens to want to start a production label, now's a good time to catch the hearts of lots of bored internet addicts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316917</id>
	<title>zzZZZzzz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244821860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>zZZz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>zZZz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>zZZz</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28317017</id>
	<title>Re:You could also argue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244822940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AHMEN!!  bring back the rock music and constant live shows of the mid to late 90's.  The music today is just rebranded, prepackaged, corporate trash.  American Idol my ass... go earn it by creating your own music.  Not thrashing through someone elses retreds...  Anyway...games today are the music of the 90's.  FWIW...you can take your one song buying download format and cram it.  I much prefer the concept of an album.  downloading one song is like downloading only your favorite level in a game and only playing that level...where's the depth of experience in that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AHMEN ! !
bring back the rock music and constant live shows of the mid to late 90 's .
The music today is just rebranded , prepackaged , corporate trash .
American Idol my ass... go earn it by creating your own music .
Not thrashing through someone elses retreds... Anyway...games today are the music of the 90 's .
FWIW...you can take your one song buying download format and cram it .
I much prefer the concept of an album .
downloading one song is like downloading only your favorite level in a game and only playing that level...where 's the depth of experience in that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AHMEN!!
bring back the rock music and constant live shows of the mid to late 90's.
The music today is just rebranded, prepackaged, corporate trash.
American Idol my ass... go earn it by creating your own music.
Not thrashing through someone elses retreds...  Anyway...games today are the music of the 90's.
FWIW...you can take your one song buying download format and cram it.
I much prefer the concept of an album.
downloading one song is like downloading only your favorite level in a game and only playing that level...where's the depth of experience in that?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314587</id>
	<title>Who would win in a fight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244803380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>RIAA or MPAA?</htmltext>
<tokenext>RIAA or MPAA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIAA or MPAA?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314843</id>
	<title>News Flash:</title>
	<author>nausea\_malvarma</author>
	<datestamp>1244804820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lack of quality music hurting music industry more than downloads.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lack of quality music hurting music industry more than downloads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lack of quality music hurting music industry more than downloads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314857</id>
	<title>Business model: FAIL</title>
	<author>Xistenz99</author>
	<datestamp>1244804940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>After taking a step back from everything related to music, radio, magazines, and quality of artists, there isn't one thing that isn't failing,  Radio isn't playing anything that isn't on their Clear Channel list and doesn't care to play anything extra.  Rolling Stone, which is supposedly is a magazine that celebrates music, is failing miserably in content by falling to much on pop music when really good rock bands are out there, but can't get any airplay because the only thing that sells is pop music.  Then we come to the artists, maybe I am getting older, but music, in all forms is truly horrible, at least accessible music.  Rap and R &amp; B has fell in love with the Cher, Believe voice autotune, Rock sounds like the instruments are played under water because it just plods along. Country even though I don't listen to it, turned into twang pop, and then my favorite is Pop itself, which seems to me can't get any blander, no matter how much sex and edge they try to put into it.  I honestly think soon there will be something to make music better than it is right now, but I have know idea how that is possible, any suggestions?</htmltext>
<tokenext>After taking a step back from everything related to music , radio , magazines , and quality of artists , there is n't one thing that is n't failing , Radio is n't playing anything that is n't on their Clear Channel list and does n't care to play anything extra .
Rolling Stone , which is supposedly is a magazine that celebrates music , is failing miserably in content by falling to much on pop music when really good rock bands are out there , but ca n't get any airplay because the only thing that sells is pop music .
Then we come to the artists , maybe I am getting older , but music , in all forms is truly horrible , at least accessible music .
Rap and R &amp; B has fell in love with the Cher , Believe voice autotune , Rock sounds like the instruments are played under water because it just plods along .
Country even though I do n't listen to it , turned into twang pop , and then my favorite is Pop itself , which seems to me ca n't get any blander , no matter how much sex and edge they try to put into it .
I honestly think soon there will be something to make music better than it is right now , but I have know idea how that is possible , any suggestions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After taking a step back from everything related to music, radio, magazines, and quality of artists, there isn't one thing that isn't failing,  Radio isn't playing anything that isn't on their Clear Channel list and doesn't care to play anything extra.
Rolling Stone, which is supposedly is a magazine that celebrates music, is failing miserably in content by falling to much on pop music when really good rock bands are out there, but can't get any airplay because the only thing that sells is pop music.
Then we come to the artists, maybe I am getting older, but music, in all forms is truly horrible, at least accessible music.
Rap and R &amp; B has fell in love with the Cher, Believe voice autotune, Rock sounds like the instruments are played under water because it just plods along.
Country even though I don't listen to it, turned into twang pop, and then my favorite is Pop itself, which seems to me can't get any blander, no matter how much sex and edge they try to put into it.
I honestly think soon there will be something to make music better than it is right now, but I have know idea how that is possible, any suggestions?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315529</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>maugle</author>
	<datestamp>1244809500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In proud<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. tradition I haven't actually read the article, but at any point does it mention that you're probably getting a better return on your money when buying a game?<br>What I mean is: say you have $30.  You can either buy a couple music CDs with that, or you could buy a DVD movie (maybe two, if they aren't new releases), or you could buy a game like Team Fortress 2, Bioshock, Supreme Commander, etc...  Which option is going to entertain you more, and for longer?<br> <br>In my view, buying the music CDs would be the least effective use of your money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In proud / .
tradition I have n't actually read the article , but at any point does it mention that you 're probably getting a better return on your money when buying a game ? What I mean is : say you have $ 30 .
You can either buy a couple music CDs with that , or you could buy a DVD movie ( maybe two , if they are n't new releases ) , or you could buy a game like Team Fortress 2 , Bioshock , Supreme Commander , etc... Which option is going to entertain you more , and for longer ?
In my view , buying the music CDs would be the least effective use of your money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In proud /.
tradition I haven't actually read the article, but at any point does it mention that you're probably getting a better return on your money when buying a game?What I mean is: say you have $30.
You can either buy a couple music CDs with that, or you could buy a DVD movie (maybe two, if they aren't new releases), or you could buy a game like Team Fortress 2, Bioshock, Supreme Commander, etc...  Which option is going to entertain you more, and for longer?
In my view, buying the music CDs would be the least effective use of your money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28319253</id>
	<title>listen == buy???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244902020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1 download is not 1 lost sale...<br>that would be equal to that everyone that listens to a record in a record store buys it....<br>and that have never happened....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 download is not 1 lost sale...that would be equal to that everyone that listens to a record in a record store buys it....and that have never happened... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 download is not 1 lost sale...that would be equal to that everyone that listens to a record in a record store buys it....and that have never happened....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316669</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1244819520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't get a trojan from an mp3, but you sure can from a cracked game!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't get a trojan from an mp3 , but you sure can from a cracked game !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't get a trojan from an mp3, but you sure can from a cracked game!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315333</id>
	<title>Re:As much as I would like to believe this</title>
	<author>XcepticZP</author>
	<datestamp>1244808180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sick of hearing this over-repeated statement on Slashdot. For fucks sake, every single post about research, findings or whatnot, has a moderation-whore like you in it. <b>Say something because you have an opinion and want to express it</b>. Stop repeating someone else's crap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sick of hearing this over-repeated statement on Slashdot .
For fucks sake , every single post about research , findings or whatnot , has a moderation-whore like you in it .
Say something because you have an opinion and want to express it .
Stop repeating someone else 's crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sick of hearing this over-repeated statement on Slashdot.
For fucks sake, every single post about research, findings or whatnot, has a moderation-whore like you in it.
Say something because you have an opinion and want to express it.
Stop repeating someone else's crap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28316045</id>
	<title>Re:News Flash:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244813760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lack of quality music hurting music industry more than downloads.</p></div><p>+1. Music these days is almost all total crap compared to even (gasp) the 90's.</p><p>If your average "hit new single" is less memorable and more irritating to listen to than some some crappy song that came out 10-15 years ago, why the hell are people going to buy it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lack of quality music hurting music industry more than downloads. + 1 .
Music these days is almost all total crap compared to even ( gasp ) the 90 's.If your average " hit new single " is less memorable and more irritating to listen to than some some crappy song that came out 10-15 years ago , why the hell are people going to buy it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lack of quality music hurting music industry more than downloads.+1.
Music these days is almost all total crap compared to even (gasp) the 90's.If your average "hit new single" is less memorable and more irritating to listen to than some some crappy song that came out 10-15 years ago, why the hell are people going to buy it?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314737</id>
	<title>As much as I would like to believe this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244804100000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I would like to believe this, the mantra still applies:</p><p>correlation != causation.  (and I'm not even sure there's enough data to establish for the former)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I would like to believe this , the mantra still applies : correlation ! = causation .
( and I 'm not even sure there 's enough data to establish for the former )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I would like to believe this, the mantra still applies:correlation != causation.
(and I'm not even sure there's enough data to establish for the former)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315619</id>
	<title>the business model is changing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244810100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>...and the music industry is struggling to keep up.</p><p>Think about the last album you bought.  For me, I watched a video meem on youtube, followed a link to an actual video, thought the song sounded cool, and proceeded to amazon to listen to the song blurbs.  I liked most of the blurbs and felt the album was worth my $10, and bought it.</p><p>20 years ago, it would have gone more like:  heard a song on the radio, liked the song, went to the record store to 'check out' the album.  Upon 'inspection' of the album - likely cover art, and guessing at the content of songs by title - I might buy it for $15 and give it a try, crossing my fingers throughout the first listen.</p><p>I think technology has made it easier for the majority of Americans to make smarter decisions about their money.  It has also made it near impossible to guess at a common method of advertising.  This means smaller margins for large corporations, and plenty of business opportunities for smaller, focused companies.  The music industry is struggling with all its might to hold onto a model it understands and trying to force everyone back to their old spending habits.  But it's too late...  Adam has already bitten that tasty fruit from the wisdom tree!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and the music industry is struggling to keep up.Think about the last album you bought .
For me , I watched a video meem on youtube , followed a link to an actual video , thought the song sounded cool , and proceeded to amazon to listen to the song blurbs .
I liked most of the blurbs and felt the album was worth my $ 10 , and bought it.20 years ago , it would have gone more like : heard a song on the radio , liked the song , went to the record store to 'check out ' the album .
Upon 'inspection ' of the album - likely cover art , and guessing at the content of songs by title - I might buy it for $ 15 and give it a try , crossing my fingers throughout the first listen.I think technology has made it easier for the majority of Americans to make smarter decisions about their money .
It has also made it near impossible to guess at a common method of advertising .
This means smaller margins for large corporations , and plenty of business opportunities for smaller , focused companies .
The music industry is struggling with all its might to hold onto a model it understands and trying to force everyone back to their old spending habits .
But it 's too late... Adam has already bitten that tasty fruit from the wisdom tree !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and the music industry is struggling to keep up.Think about the last album you bought.
For me, I watched a video meem on youtube, followed a link to an actual video, thought the song sounded cool, and proceeded to amazon to listen to the song blurbs.
I liked most of the blurbs and felt the album was worth my $10, and bought it.20 years ago, it would have gone more like:  heard a song on the radio, liked the song, went to the record store to 'check out' the album.
Upon 'inspection' of the album - likely cover art, and guessing at the content of songs by title - I might buy it for $15 and give it a try, crossing my fingers throughout the first listen.I think technology has made it easier for the majority of Americans to make smarter decisions about their money.
It has also made it near impossible to guess at a common method of advertising.
This means smaller margins for large corporations, and plenty of business opportunities for smaller, focused companies.
The music industry is struggling with all its might to hold onto a model it understands and trying to force everyone back to their old spending habits.
But it's too late...  Adam has already bitten that tasty fruit from the wisdom tree!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28318017</id>
	<title>Re:Not surprised</title>
	<author>EsbenMoseHansen</author>
	<datestamp>1244924460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree. The radio pretty much fills my need for everyday, background music. I have about 30 songs on my phone (yes, legally), to help me in the cases where I need to drown out noise (mostly train or office). The last piece of music I acquired was a birthday gift, and I am born in December<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

So I spend my money on other things, mostly food, wife, and the occasional gadget or hobby item.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
The radio pretty much fills my need for everyday , background music .
I have about 30 songs on my phone ( yes , legally ) , to help me in the cases where I need to drown out noise ( mostly train or office ) .
The last piece of music I acquired was a birthday gift , and I am born in December : ) So I spend my money on other things , mostly food , wife , and the occasional gadget or hobby item .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
The radio pretty much fills my need for everyday, background music.
I have about 30 songs on my phone (yes, legally), to help me in the cases where I need to drown out noise (mostly train or office).
The last piece of music I acquired was a birthday gift, and I am born in December :)

So I spend my money on other things, mostly food, wife, and the occasional gadget or hobby item.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28323613</id>
	<title>Re:Who would have thought?</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1244899380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget rootkits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget rootkits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget rootkits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314885</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244805180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the truth is....</p><p>Game and movie *downloads* (not sales) hurt music sales, cuz if someone is doing the former, they know how to do the latter.</p><p>But, those downloaders would not necessarily buy if they couldn't download. I don't think 1 of 1,000 downloads or even 1 of 10,000 represents any amount of lost revenue.</p><p>Yes, 99\% of statistics are made up (including the above), but 99\% of the statistics spewing from the filth known as the RIAA, MPAA, BSA, etc. are too. One thing that is made up but still true nonetheless is that 99\%+ of 'unauthorized' downloads were not a lost sale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the truth is....Game and movie * downloads * ( not sales ) hurt music sales , cuz if someone is doing the former , they know how to do the latter.But , those downloaders would not necessarily buy if they could n't download .
I do n't think 1 of 1,000 downloads or even 1 of 10,000 represents any amount of lost revenue.Yes , 99 \ % of statistics are made up ( including the above ) , but 99 \ % of the statistics spewing from the filth known as the RIAA , MPAA , BSA , etc .
are too .
One thing that is made up but still true nonetheless is that 99 \ % + of 'unauthorized ' downloads were not a lost sale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the truth is....Game and movie *downloads* (not sales) hurt music sales, cuz if someone is doing the former, they know how to do the latter.But, those downloaders would not necessarily buy if they couldn't download.
I don't think 1 of 1,000 downloads or even 1 of 10,000 represents any amount of lost revenue.Yes, 99\% of statistics are made up (including the above), but 99\% of the statistics spewing from the filth known as the RIAA, MPAA, BSA, etc.
are too.
One thing that is made up but still true nonetheless is that 99\%+ of 'unauthorized' downloads were not a lost sale.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28315443</id>
	<title>the big labels</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244808900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>big labes have caused it themselves by not selling their music drm free via bittorent and other option.
let people decide what they pay, and the net profit will increase to a higher amount than it currently is.

eventually people feel guilt, some people respond to it most of them don't but generally the net+ will be higher than nothing..
big labels are just that (too big and fat, and not adjustable for change).</htmltext>
<tokenext>big labes have caused it themselves by not selling their music drm free via bittorent and other option .
let people decide what they pay , and the net profit will increase to a higher amount than it currently is .
eventually people feel guilt , some people respond to it most of them do n't but generally the net + will be higher than nothing. . big labels are just that ( too big and fat , and not adjustable for change ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>big labes have caused it themselves by not selling their music drm free via bittorent and other option.
let people decide what they pay, and the net profit will increase to a higher amount than it currently is.
eventually people feel guilt, some people respond to it most of them don't but generally the net+ will be higher than nothing..
big labels are just that (too big and fat, and not adjustable for change).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_2043209.28314875</id>
	<title>Re:flawed logic</title>
	<author>Runefox</author>
	<datestamp>1244805120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It <i>is</i> a bit of a leap, yeah, but when you think about it, there are a couple of reasons for that:</p><p>1) People universally dislike the RIAA. At least around here, people like to spite them as much as possible.</p><p>2) It isn't universally illegal to download music over the internet, and still is a legal grey area.</p><p>3) The cost of a music CD, given the amount of enjoyment and entertainment (assuming all songs in the album are "good") versus the cost of a DVD/game and the amount of enjoyment and entertainment gained from that, is fairly hard to quantify, but a single music track is usually around 3-5 minutes in length, give or take a minute. Considering that music has become a much more personal experience, it isn't necessarily a social activity anymore; While a DVD might be limited to an hour and a 1.5-2 hours in length or so with limited replayability, it still remains something of a group activity. Gaming has also become an increasingly social activity (well, arguably social), with a lot of replayability and unpredictability, depending on the game.</p><p>It's not really enough to say for sure that consumers are choosing to spend their money on games instead of music, but given the general quality of music as of late (so I'm told; I jumped off the bandwagon long ago) and the rather public knowledge that the artist gets little to no support from their purchase to begin with, it makes for a very good case to spend your money elsewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a bit of a leap , yeah , but when you think about it , there are a couple of reasons for that : 1 ) People universally dislike the RIAA .
At least around here , people like to spite them as much as possible.2 ) It is n't universally illegal to download music over the internet , and still is a legal grey area.3 ) The cost of a music CD , given the amount of enjoyment and entertainment ( assuming all songs in the album are " good " ) versus the cost of a DVD/game and the amount of enjoyment and entertainment gained from that , is fairly hard to quantify , but a single music track is usually around 3-5 minutes in length , give or take a minute .
Considering that music has become a much more personal experience , it is n't necessarily a social activity anymore ; While a DVD might be limited to an hour and a 1.5-2 hours in length or so with limited replayability , it still remains something of a group activity .
Gaming has also become an increasingly social activity ( well , arguably social ) , with a lot of replayability and unpredictability , depending on the game.It 's not really enough to say for sure that consumers are choosing to spend their money on games instead of music , but given the general quality of music as of late ( so I 'm told ; I jumped off the bandwagon long ago ) and the rather public knowledge that the artist gets little to no support from their purchase to begin with , it makes for a very good case to spend your money elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a bit of a leap, yeah, but when you think about it, there are a couple of reasons for that:1) People universally dislike the RIAA.
At least around here, people like to spite them as much as possible.2) It isn't universally illegal to download music over the internet, and still is a legal grey area.3) The cost of a music CD, given the amount of enjoyment and entertainment (assuming all songs in the album are "good") versus the cost of a DVD/game and the amount of enjoyment and entertainment gained from that, is fairly hard to quantify, but a single music track is usually around 3-5 minutes in length, give or take a minute.
Considering that music has become a much more personal experience, it isn't necessarily a social activity anymore; While a DVD might be limited to an hour and a 1.5-2 hours in length or so with limited replayability, it still remains something of a group activity.
Gaming has also become an increasingly social activity (well, arguably social), with a lot of replayability and unpredictability, depending on the game.It's not really enough to say for sure that consumers are choosing to spend their money on games instead of music, but given the general quality of music as of late (so I'm told; I jumped off the bandwagon long ago) and the rather public knowledge that the artist gets little to no support from their purchase to begin with, it makes for a very good case to spend your money elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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