<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_12_016223</id>
	<title>UK Gang Caught After $750K Online Music Fraud Scam</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244828760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>LSDelirious writes <i>"<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/jun/10/police-fraud-online-music">10 individuals in the UK have been arrested in connection with an online fraud gang</a>, whereby the group created several songs, had the songs uploaded to iTunes and Amazon, then used thousands of stolen credit cards to repeatedly purchase the songs from these services. It is estimated that they charged approximately $750,000 worth of fraudulent purchases, netting the group over $300,000 in royalties payments."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>LSDelirious writes " 10 individuals in the UK have been arrested in connection with an online fraud gang , whereby the group created several songs , had the songs uploaded to iTunes and Amazon , then used thousands of stolen credit cards to repeatedly purchase the songs from these services .
It is estimated that they charged approximately $ 750,000 worth of fraudulent purchases , netting the group over $ 300,000 in royalties payments .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LSDelirious writes "10 individuals in the UK have been arrested in connection with an online fraud gang, whereby the group created several songs, had the songs uploaded to iTunes and Amazon, then used thousands of stolen credit cards to repeatedly purchase the songs from these services.
It is estimated that they charged approximately $750,000 worth of fraudulent purchases, netting the group over $300,000 in royalties payments.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306829</id>
	<title>orly?</title>
	<author>JackSpratts</author>
	<datestamp>1244815260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it's pretty much how every label started.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's pretty much how every label started .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's pretty much how every label started.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304947</id>
	<title>Copy(right)cat</title>
	<author>nausea\_malvarma</author>
	<datestamp>1244750100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A criminal gang that scams people out of their money with recorded music? Looks like the RIAA is inspiring copycat crimes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A criminal gang that scams people out of their money with recorded music ?
Looks like the RIAA is inspiring copycat crimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A criminal gang that scams people out of their money with recorded music?
Looks like the RIAA is inspiring copycat crimes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304699</id>
	<title>Nothing new...</title>
	<author>Manip</author>
	<datestamp>1244746320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just traditional money laundering via a slightly new route. They used to do similar things with Auction Houses, they'd list an item of no real value and then buy it. Dirty money into clean money!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just traditional money laundering via a slightly new route .
They used to do similar things with Auction Houses , they 'd list an item of no real value and then buy it .
Dirty money into clean money !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just traditional money laundering via a slightly new route.
They used to do similar things with Auction Houses, they'd list an item of no real value and then buy it.
Dirty money into clean money!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305747</id>
	<title>Re:Were the songs any good?</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1244805060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So third rate, in fact, that they managed to get the number of "Money"s in the title wrong.</p><p>Unless this is a medley of Pink Floyd's "Money" with Abba's "Money, Money, Money"? I'd pay good money to hear that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So third rate , in fact , that they managed to get the number of " Money " s in the title wrong.Unless this is a medley of Pink Floyd 's " Money " with Abba 's " Money , Money , Money " ?
I 'd pay good money to hear that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So third rate, in fact, that they managed to get the number of "Money"s in the title wrong.Unless this is a medley of Pink Floyd's "Money" with Abba's "Money, Money, Money"?
I'd pay good money to hear that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304703</id>
	<title>Way to think small</title>
	<author>Antidamage</author>
	<datestamp>1244746380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$30k each just doesn't seem worth it. What a waste of criminal talent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 30k each just does n't seem worth it .
What a waste of criminal talent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$30k each just doesn't seem worth it.
What a waste of criminal talent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304689</id>
	<title>Follow the money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244746260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A new creative way to get cash off credit cards.  Woop.  At least it's better than getting goods delivered to a drop house and selling them at a pawn shop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A new creative way to get cash off credit cards .
Woop. At least it 's better than getting goods delivered to a drop house and selling them at a pawn shop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A new creative way to get cash off credit cards.
Woop.  At least it's better than getting goods delivered to a drop house and selling them at a pawn shop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28309659</id>
	<title>As a cash scheme. . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244827440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a form of basic theft, that has got to be one of the all-time dumbest, most inefficient ways to steal money.  --Giving a massive percentage to Amazon and to the manufacture of CDs.  It's also one of those schemes which isn't even a scheme; you'd think that an important part of any basic plan to commit a crime would be to get away with it afterwards.  It seems that they left the whole, "Don't Get Caught" portion off the menu, because really, how the heck did they expect to NOT get caught when leaving such an idiotically obvious number of money trails all pointing directly at them?</p><p>What this smacks of is more simply a group of guys who don't want to be thieves so much as famous musicians.  Because now they have press and street cred, (for being stupid?), and if the songs are any good, they might just end up with music careers.  After they get out of prison.</p><p>Oh, whatever.  They were probably just stoned and not thinking clearly.</p><p>And they probably need haircuts.  Off my lawn.</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a form of basic theft , that has got to be one of the all-time dumbest , most inefficient ways to steal money .
--Giving a massive percentage to Amazon and to the manufacture of CDs .
It 's also one of those schemes which is n't even a scheme ; you 'd think that an important part of any basic plan to commit a crime would be to get away with it afterwards .
It seems that they left the whole , " Do n't Get Caught " portion off the menu , because really , how the heck did they expect to NOT get caught when leaving such an idiotically obvious number of money trails all pointing directly at them ? What this smacks of is more simply a group of guys who do n't want to be thieves so much as famous musicians .
Because now they have press and street cred , ( for being stupid ?
) , and if the songs are any good , they might just end up with music careers .
After they get out of prison.Oh , whatever .
They were probably just stoned and not thinking clearly.And they probably need haircuts .
Off my lawn.-FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a form of basic theft, that has got to be one of the all-time dumbest, most inefficient ways to steal money.
--Giving a massive percentage to Amazon and to the manufacture of CDs.
It's also one of those schemes which isn't even a scheme; you'd think that an important part of any basic plan to commit a crime would be to get away with it afterwards.
It seems that they left the whole, "Don't Get Caught" portion off the menu, because really, how the heck did they expect to NOT get caught when leaving such an idiotically obvious number of money trails all pointing directly at them?What this smacks of is more simply a group of guys who don't want to be thieves so much as famous musicians.
Because now they have press and street cred, (for being stupid?
), and if the songs are any good, they might just end up with music careers.
After they get out of prison.Oh, whatever.
They were probably just stoned and not thinking clearly.And they probably need haircuts.
Off my lawn.-FL</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305263</id>
	<title>Re:Follow the money</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1244798100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>But if it is at all possible to shuffle money between bank accounts in an anonymous way (I have no idea whether it really is?) </i></p><p>Yes it is.  You use an advanced mechanism that isn't very popular these days, called "cash".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But if it is at all possible to shuffle money between bank accounts in an anonymous way ( I have no idea whether it really is ?
) Yes it is .
You use an advanced mechanism that is n't very popular these days , called " cash " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if it is at all possible to shuffle money between bank accounts in an anonymous way (I have no idea whether it really is?
) Yes it is.
You use an advanced mechanism that isn't very popular these days, called "cash".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304987</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28312331</id>
	<title>them fools</title>
	<author>Khashishi</author>
	<datestamp>1244837580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, did you think you would get away with it? Anything involving digits and plastic is easy to trace. You are better off robbing for cash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , did you think you would get away with it ?
Anything involving digits and plastic is easy to trace .
You are better off robbing for cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, did you think you would get away with it?
Anything involving digits and plastic is easy to trace.
You are better off robbing for cash.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304959</id>
	<title>So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do Apple/Amazon keep their cut?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do Apple/Amazon keep their cut ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do Apple/Amazon keep their cut?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304921</id>
	<title>So, uh...</title>
	<author>theTerribleRobbo</author>
	<datestamp>1244749800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... Were the songs any good?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... Were the songs any good ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Were the songs any good?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306679</id>
	<title>Re:Way to think small</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1244814360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the contrary, $30K each seems too much.  Make it $5 each, and how many people will query it?  Even if they do, the credit card companies are more likely to just eat the loss than pursue it (it will cost way more than $5 to recover it). With this sort of scam, hitting a lot of people for a small amount is a lot more lucrative (and less likely to get you caught) than hitting a smaller number for more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the contrary , $ 30K each seems too much .
Make it $ 5 each , and how many people will query it ?
Even if they do , the credit card companies are more likely to just eat the loss than pursue it ( it will cost way more than $ 5 to recover it ) .
With this sort of scam , hitting a lot of people for a small amount is a lot more lucrative ( and less likely to get you caught ) than hitting a smaller number for more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the contrary, $30K each seems too much.
Make it $5 each, and how many people will query it?
Even if they do, the credit card companies are more likely to just eat the loss than pursue it (it will cost way more than $5 to recover it).
With this sort of scam, hitting a lot of people for a small amount is a lot more lucrative (and less likely to get you caught) than hitting a smaller number for more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304701</id>
	<title>Well, they do have a good example...</title>
	<author>santax</author>
	<datestamp>1244746380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>When compared to the 'guys who stick up for artists (and take 95+ \% of the earnings' these guys are saints. Give them a medal! At least they made their own music!</htmltext>
<tokenext>When compared to the 'guys who stick up for artists ( and take 95 + \ % of the earnings ' these guys are saints .
Give them a medal !
At least they made their own music !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When compared to the 'guys who stick up for artists (and take 95+ \% of the earnings' these guys are saints.
Give them a medal!
At least they made their own music!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305825</id>
	<title>Real Digital Gangster Rap!!</title>
	<author>drx</author>
	<datestamp>1244805900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where dem tracks at?? This should be the most authentic gangster music!! Almost sounds like a project vom Weird Al<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where dem tracks at ? ?
This should be the most authentic gangster music ! !
Almost sounds like a project vom Weird Al .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where dem tracks at??
This should be the most authentic gangster music!!
Almost sounds like a project vom Weird Al ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28307959</id>
	<title>Clever</title>
	<author>Drone69</author>
	<datestamp>1244820600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like something Metallica would do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like something Metallica would do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like something Metallica would do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306079</id>
	<title>They should have uploaded the songs to TPB</title>
	<author>Klistvud</author>
	<datestamp>1244808540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probably, at least some of the cops/prosecutors/judges prosecuting them would have downloaded the stuff illegally, thus opening some interesting possibilities for an out-of-court settlement or, better still, a full-fledged countersuit. With any luck, the copyright infringing cops/prosecutors/judges would soon end behind bars and compelled to pay tens of millions to the gang when they come out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably , at least some of the cops/prosecutors/judges prosecuting them would have downloaded the stuff illegally , thus opening some interesting possibilities for an out-of-court settlement or , better still , a full-fledged countersuit .
With any luck , the copyright infringing cops/prosecutors/judges would soon end behind bars and compelled to pay tens of millions to the gang when they come out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably, at least some of the cops/prosecutors/judges prosecuting them would have downloaded the stuff illegally, thus opening some interesting possibilities for an out-of-court settlement or, better still, a full-fledged countersuit.
With any luck, the copyright infringing cops/prosecutors/judges would soon end behind bars and compelled to pay tens of millions to the gang when they come out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304745</id>
	<title>They used stolen credit cards</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244746860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...or stolen credit card *numbers*? TFA and TFS claim "cards". How exactly to you steal thousands of cards?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...or stolen credit card * numbers * ?
TFA and TFS claim " cards " .
How exactly to you steal thousands of cards ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or stolen credit card *numbers*?
TFA and TFS claim "cards".
How exactly to you steal thousands of cards?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304795</id>
	<title>Simple Solution</title>
	<author>Jamie's Nightmare</author>
	<datestamp>1244747520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is why music should never be sold for money.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">This</a> [youtube.com] is the only song you will ever need and it's free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why music should never be sold for money .
This [ youtube.com ] is the only song you will ever need and it 's free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why music should never be sold for money.
This [youtube.com] is the only song you will ever need and it's free.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306821</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244815200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They used to do similar things with Auction Houses, they'd list an item of no real value and then buy it.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Not too different from pretty much any auction dealing with modern art.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They used to do similar things with Auction Houses , they 'd list an item of no real value and then buy it .
Not too different from pretty much any auction dealing with modern art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They used to do similar things with Auction Houses, they'd list an item of no real value and then buy it.
Not too different from pretty much any auction dealing with modern art.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304699</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306171</id>
	<title>Re:Were the songs any good?</title>
	<author>xaosflux</author>
	<datestamp>1244809500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they had any quality they are are likely out there.  It would be interesting to find out how prevalent they are, so these 'artists' can come up with a figure for how much all that illegal file sharing is costing them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they had any quality they are are likely out there .
It would be interesting to find out how prevalent they are , so these 'artists ' can come up with a figure for how much all that illegal file sharing is costing them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they had any quality they are are likely out there.
It would be interesting to find out how prevalent they are, so these 'artists' can come up with a figure for how much all that illegal file sharing is costing them!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304759</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28308627</id>
	<title>Re:Like premium rate phone lines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244823180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, I hope you get your enter key fixed soon; it seems to be pressing on its own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I hope you get your enter key fixed soon ; it seems to be pressing on its own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I hope you get your enter key fixed soon; it seems to be pressing on its own.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304903</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306705</id>
	<title>Apple Called a few months ago</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244814540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple called a few months ago and asked whether I'd bought an iPhone "yesterday" and had it shipped to Miami and whether I was trying to purchase 5 songs right now.</p><p>I don't own any Apple products and told him that. Further, I hadn't used that credit card since visiting Buenos Aires about 8 months earlier. I wasn't very nice to the poor Apple guy. Phone calls out of the blue like that are unwanted here.</p><p>He retained his composure and explained it to me - their fraud team had detected the transactions in near real-time and he was protecting me from unusual activity. He blocked the song transactions and refunded the iPhone cost.  I contacted my bank and they cancelled the card and issued a new one. I wouldn't be liable for anything.</p><p>When my CC statement arrived, it was just as Apple said. Charges then refunds.  Makes me want to deal with Apple as a client once they stop partnering with crap AT&amp;T, fix the dog software and stop over charging for their hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple called a few months ago and asked whether I 'd bought an iPhone " yesterday " and had it shipped to Miami and whether I was trying to purchase 5 songs right now.I do n't own any Apple products and told him that .
Further , I had n't used that credit card since visiting Buenos Aires about 8 months earlier .
I was n't very nice to the poor Apple guy .
Phone calls out of the blue like that are unwanted here.He retained his composure and explained it to me - their fraud team had detected the transactions in near real-time and he was protecting me from unusual activity .
He blocked the song transactions and refunded the iPhone cost .
I contacted my bank and they cancelled the card and issued a new one .
I would n't be liable for anything.When my CC statement arrived , it was just as Apple said .
Charges then refunds .
Makes me want to deal with Apple as a client once they stop partnering with crap AT&amp;T , fix the dog software and stop over charging for their hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple called a few months ago and asked whether I'd bought an iPhone "yesterday" and had it shipped to Miami and whether I was trying to purchase 5 songs right now.I don't own any Apple products and told him that.
Further, I hadn't used that credit card since visiting Buenos Aires about 8 months earlier.
I wasn't very nice to the poor Apple guy.
Phone calls out of the blue like that are unwanted here.He retained his composure and explained it to me - their fraud team had detected the transactions in near real-time and he was protecting me from unusual activity.
He blocked the song transactions and refunded the iPhone cost.
I contacted my bank and they cancelled the card and issued a new one.
I wouldn't be liable for anything.When my CC statement arrived, it was just as Apple said.
Charges then refunds.
Makes me want to deal with Apple as a client once they stop partnering with crap AT&amp;T, fix the dog software and stop over charging for their hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306819</id>
	<title>Re:Were the songs any good?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244815200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mushroom! Mushroom!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mushroom !
Mushroom !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mushroom!
Mushroom!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305005</id>
	<title>Re:Simple Solution</title>
	<author>perryizgr8</author>
	<datestamp>1244837940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>oh no! now i've seen everything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>oh no !
now i 've seen everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh no!
now i've seen everything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304795</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304987</id>
	<title>Re:Follow the money</title>
	<author>physicsphairy</author>
	<datestamp>1244837520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Either way it is stupid to have some nexus to all of your crimes.  The least they could have done was to buy iTunes gift certificates and *then* buy their own songs so it's not like the victim's credit card companies are sending them a bill saying a thousand songs were purchased from such and such band.

</p><p>They are also taking a big hit on their percentage.

</p><p>After thinking about it for a bit, this is my idea:  you sell stuff on ebay that you don't have, but when someone buys it, you use the stolen credit card to buy it from a different seller and have it sent to them.  Your purchases on the stolen card will be tied only to a variety of addresses and entities which have no connection to each other or to you, and you play the international game there may be little chance of the police ever talking to the recipients.  Even if you're caught they have to do detective work on every transaction made to the account to establish that it was ultimately based on a stolen credit card.  (Presumably all the payments being made to you are being made legally.)  But if it is at all possible to shuffle money between bank accounts in an anonymous way (I have no idea whether it really is?) it should be possible to do this without being caught.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Either way it is stupid to have some nexus to all of your crimes .
The least they could have done was to buy iTunes gift certificates and * then * buy their own songs so it 's not like the victim 's credit card companies are sending them a bill saying a thousand songs were purchased from such and such band .
They are also taking a big hit on their percentage .
After thinking about it for a bit , this is my idea : you sell stuff on ebay that you do n't have , but when someone buys it , you use the stolen credit card to buy it from a different seller and have it sent to them .
Your purchases on the stolen card will be tied only to a variety of addresses and entities which have no connection to each other or to you , and you play the international game there may be little chance of the police ever talking to the recipients .
Even if you 're caught they have to do detective work on every transaction made to the account to establish that it was ultimately based on a stolen credit card .
( Presumably all the payments being made to you are being made legally .
) But if it is at all possible to shuffle money between bank accounts in an anonymous way ( I have no idea whether it really is ?
) it should be possible to do this without being caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either way it is stupid to have some nexus to all of your crimes.
The least they could have done was to buy iTunes gift certificates and *then* buy their own songs so it's not like the victim's credit card companies are sending them a bill saying a thousand songs were purchased from such and such band.
They are also taking a big hit on their percentage.
After thinking about it for a bit, this is my idea:  you sell stuff on ebay that you don't have, but when someone buys it, you use the stolen credit card to buy it from a different seller and have it sent to them.
Your purchases on the stolen card will be tied only to a variety of addresses and entities which have no connection to each other or to you, and you play the international game there may be little chance of the police ever talking to the recipients.
Even if you're caught they have to do detective work on every transaction made to the account to establish that it was ultimately based on a stolen credit card.
(Presumably all the payments being made to you are being made legally.
)  But if it is at all possible to shuffle money between bank accounts in an anonymous way (I have no idea whether it really is?
) it should be possible to do this without being caught.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28317071</id>
	<title>oh really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244823900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow, thats all you can say, smart, but stupid.... come on'</p><p>http://www.iPhoneNewsStand.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow , thats all you can say , smart , but stupid.... come on'http : //www.iPhoneNewsStand.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow, thats all you can say, smart, but stupid.... come on'http://www.iPhoneNewsStand.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305019</id>
	<title>iPhone apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244838180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they were smart they would have gone this route. You can control the cost and you get a much higher percentage of the money... It's a trade off of slightly more noticeable transactions for fewer overall transactions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they were smart they would have gone this route .
You can control the cost and you get a much higher percentage of the money... It 's a trade off of slightly more noticeable transactions for fewer overall transactions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they were smart they would have gone this route.
You can control the cost and you get a much higher percentage of the money... It's a trade off of slightly more noticeable transactions for fewer overall transactions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28308497</id>
	<title>Number of songs "stolen"?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1244822640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>UK Gang Caught After $750K Online Music Fraud Scam</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Let's see, at <a href="http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/harvard-professor-to-testify-p2p-file-sharing-is-legal-under-fair-use-20090519/" title="geek.com">$150K per song</a> [geek.com], that comes out to 5 songs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>UK Gang Caught After $ 750K Online Music Fraud Scam Let 's see , at $ 150K per song [ geek.com ] , that comes out to 5 songs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>UK Gang Caught After $750K Online Music Fraud Scam
Let's see, at $150K per song [geek.com], that comes out to 5 songs.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305031</id>
	<title>BBC is reporting nine people not ten...</title>
	<author>VinylRecords</author>
	<datestamp>1244838480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The BBC is reporting that nine people were arrested. Six men and three women. And not ten like many other articles are reporting.</p><p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk\_news/england/london/8094748.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk\_news/england/london/8094748.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p><p>Nevertheless what everyone is really waiting other than the name's of the individuals arrested obviously...are the names of the albums that they put up.</p><p>As soon as their real and DJ names are released we can find out what albums they worked on and see if those compilations were actually good. I wonder if they'll get enough downloads from real sales to pay for their lawyers and court fines? I also wonder if Amazon/I-Tunes will have to forfeit the money? And also if the artists used in the compilation mixes will get to keep any money that they made as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The BBC is reporting that nine people were arrested .
Six men and three women .
And not ten like many other articles are reporting.http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk \ _news/england/london/8094748.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] Nevertheless what everyone is really waiting other than the name 's of the individuals arrested obviously...are the names of the albums that they put up.As soon as their real and DJ names are released we can find out what albums they worked on and see if those compilations were actually good .
I wonder if they 'll get enough downloads from real sales to pay for their lawyers and court fines ?
I also wonder if Amazon/I-Tunes will have to forfeit the money ?
And also if the artists used in the compilation mixes will get to keep any money that they made as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The BBC is reporting that nine people were arrested.
Six men and three women.
And not ten like many other articles are reporting.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk\_news/england/london/8094748.stm [bbc.co.uk]Nevertheless what everyone is really waiting other than the name's of the individuals arrested obviously...are the names of the albums that they put up.As soon as their real and DJ names are released we can find out what albums they worked on and see if those compilations were actually good.
I wonder if they'll get enough downloads from real sales to pay for their lawyers and court fines?
I also wonder if Amazon/I-Tunes will have to forfeit the money?
And also if the artists used in the compilation mixes will get to keep any money that they made as well?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304757</id>
	<title>thousands of credit cards?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244747040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...then used thousands of stolen credit cards to repeatedly purchase..."<br>Shouldn't that be thousands of credit card <b>numbers</b> to repeatedly purchase since I doubt that they phsically stole thousands of credit cards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...then used thousands of stolen credit cards to repeatedly purchase... " Should n't that be thousands of credit card numbers to repeatedly purchase since I doubt that they phsically stole thousands of credit cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...then used thousands of stolen credit cards to repeatedly purchase..."Shouldn't that be thousands of credit card numbers to repeatedly purchase since I doubt that they phsically stole thousands of credit cards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305459</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244800860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>~\o People love it when you lie, they love dirty laundry ~\o</p><p>(I'm probably dating myself..)</p><p>As elvis costello says, "theres no such thing as an original sin"</p><p>Probably a higher yield in laundering money through the pet shop.. there's a lot of "opportunities"..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>~ \ o People love it when you lie , they love dirty laundry ~ \ o ( I 'm probably dating myself.. ) As elvis costello says , " theres no such thing as an original sin " Probably a higher yield in laundering money through the pet shop.. there 's a lot of " opportunities " . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>~\o People love it when you lie, they love dirty laundry ~\o(I'm probably dating myself..)As elvis costello says, "theres no such thing as an original sin"Probably a higher yield in laundering money through the pet shop.. there's a lot of "opportunities"..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304699</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305621</id>
	<title>They got only 300k$ for 750k$ sells?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244803380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait a minute, does this means iTunes &amp; Amazon keep more than 60\% of the price for themselves and give the rest to the artists?<br>I'm gonna quit my job and launch an online music store!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait a minute , does this means iTunes &amp; Amazon keep more than 60 \ % of the price for themselves and give the rest to the artists ? I 'm gon na quit my job and launch an online music store !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait a minute, does this means iTunes &amp; Amazon keep more than 60\% of the price for themselves and give the rest to the artists?I'm gonna quit my job and launch an online music store!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28313779</id>
	<title>Re:Way to think small</title>
	<author>icoer</author>
	<datestamp>1244799480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to mention that NOBODY uses a stolen credit card to pirate music even if they liked it. They'd hop on the P2P of their choice and download it. Any song with that many "Sales" would be on all of them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention that NOBODY uses a stolen credit card to pirate music even if they liked it .
They 'd hop on the P2P of their choice and download it .
Any song with that many " Sales " would be on all of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention that NOBODY uses a stolen credit card to pirate music even if they liked it.
They'd hop on the P2P of their choice and download it.
Any song with that many "Sales" would be on all of them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304953</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28307463</id>
	<title>And that's nothing</title>
	<author>Punto</author>
	<datestamp>1244818560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that's nothing, in the process of pulling off this scam, they lost $2 billion to piracy! nobody's safe!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's nothing , in the process of pulling off this scam , they lost $ 2 billion to piracy !
nobody 's safe !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's nothing, in the process of pulling off this scam, they lost $2 billion to piracy!
nobody's safe!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305345</id>
	<title>How come when we copy music, we're "sharing" it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244799180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but when they copy credit card numbers, they're "stealing" them?

</p><p>It's all just data, right?  <em>Right?</em></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but when they copy credit card numbers , they 're " stealing " them ?
It 's all just data , right ?
Right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but when they copy credit card numbers, they're "stealing" them?
It's all just data, right?
Right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306689</id>
	<title>from the dj-felonious dept.</title>
	<author>Speare</author>
	<datestamp>1244814420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>
<p>I think "<b>from the felonious-monk dept.</b>" has a better ring to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think " from the felonious-monk dept .
" has a better ring to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I think "from the felonious-monk dept.
" has a better ring to it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28313983</id>
	<title>Re:Were the songs any good?</title>
	<author>Megane</author>
	<datestamp>1244800380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Especially if they could get Eddie Money to do the vocals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially if they could get Eddie Money to do the vocals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially if they could get Eddie Money to do the vocals.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305747</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304683</id>
	<title>And this is differnt how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244746200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Normal way of the music biz</p><p>so eat my shorts slashdot !!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Normal way of the music bizso eat my shorts slashdot !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Normal way of the music bizso eat my shorts slashdot !
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304823</id>
	<title>Re:Way to think small</title>
	<author>carlzum</author>
	<datestamp>1244748060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, they should have just put the song on a Russian MP3 site and <a href="http://cybernetnews.com/2006/12/22/allofmp3com-sued-for-165-trillion/" title="cybernetnews.com">sued them for $1.65 trillion</a> [cybernetnews.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , they should have just put the song on a Russian MP3 site and sued them for $ 1.65 trillion [ cybernetnews.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, they should have just put the song on a Russian MP3 site and sued them for $1.65 trillion [cybernetnews.com]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304877</id>
	<title>So, you think you can troll?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think you can troll? Want a chance to prove it? Several experienced and dedicated trolls needed for long term project against a group of thin skinned assholes.</p><p>Interested parties can contact at Goodbye.To.You.531@gmail.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think you can troll ?
Want a chance to prove it ?
Several experienced and dedicated trolls needed for long term project against a group of thin skinned assholes.Interested parties can contact at Goodbye.To.You.531 @ gmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think you can troll?
Want a chance to prove it?
Several experienced and dedicated trolls needed for long term project against a group of thin skinned assholes.Interested parties can contact at Goodbye.To.You.531@gmail.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306305</id>
	<title>What were the songs?</title>
	<author>pbooktebo</author>
	<datestamp>1244811120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would really love to have one of these songs (I often use musically esoteric materials in my classroom). The article doesn't mention what the music was. Anyone know? From other sources?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would really love to have one of these songs ( I often use musically esoteric materials in my classroom ) .
The article does n't mention what the music was .
Anyone know ?
From other sources ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would really love to have one of these songs (I often use musically esoteric materials in my classroom).
The article doesn't mention what the music was.
Anyone know?
From other sources?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304731</id>
	<title>And yet...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244746740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Spice Girls remain at large.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Spice Girls remain at large .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Spice Girls remain at large.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304759</id>
	<title>Were the songs any good?</title>
	<author>Shag</author>
	<datestamp>1244747040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and where can I get a torrent of them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and where can I get a torrent of them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and where can I get a torrent of them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304903</id>
	<title>Like premium rate phone lines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember when they first came in in the UK?</p><p>The premium rate phone number renter was paid their cut monthly by BT.</p><p>But ordinary subscribers are billed quarterly.</p><p>So here's how some people made a lot of money.....</p><p>Start two companies. One of them rents a load of premium rate numbers and phone lines. The other rents a load of ordinary phone lines.</p><p>Company 2 then calls Company 1's premium rate lines incessently.</p><p>For three months in a row, Co1 gets cheques from BT.</p><p>At the start of Month 4 both companies get phone bills.</p><p>At around the start of Month 6 Co 2 gets final reminders, and is possibily cut off from service and threatened with all sorts of legal actions.</p><p>But, no matter, both Companies have vanished with around 6 hefty BT cheques.</p><p>Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember when they first came in in the UK ? The premium rate phone number renter was paid their cut monthly by BT.But ordinary subscribers are billed quarterly.So here 's how some people made a lot of money.....Start two companies .
One of them rents a load of premium rate numbers and phone lines .
The other rents a load of ordinary phone lines.Company 2 then calls Company 1 's premium rate lines incessently.For three months in a row , Co1 gets cheques from BT.At the start of Month 4 both companies get phone bills.At around the start of Month 6 Co 2 gets final reminders , and is possibily cut off from service and threatened with all sorts of legal actions.But , no matter , both Companies have vanished with around 6 hefty BT cheques.Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember when they first came in in the UK?The premium rate phone number renter was paid their cut monthly by BT.But ordinary subscribers are billed quarterly.So here's how some people made a lot of money.....Start two companies.
One of them rents a load of premium rate numbers and phone lines.
The other rents a load of ordinary phone lines.Company 2 then calls Company 1's premium rate lines incessently.For three months in a row, Co1 gets cheques from BT.At the start of Month 4 both companies get phone bills.At around the start of Month 6 Co 2 gets final reminders, and is possibily cut off from service and threatened with all sorts of legal actions.But, no matter, both Companies have vanished with around 6 hefty BT cheques.Profit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304953</id>
	<title>Re:Way to think small</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>$30k each just doesn't seem worth it. What a waste of criminal talent.</p></div></blockquote><p>Talent?  These guys are morons.  You make it sound like they were Lex Luthor or something.  Truthfully, I think Pinky and the Brain would of come up with a better plan.</p><p>They created an artificial product.  Maybe that is too harsh, I dunno.  Their music could be decent for all we know.  Putting this product up for sale on iTunes and then generating what was probably 99.99\% fraudulent sales was a huge tip off.  The fraud investigators would certainly label the musicians as prime suspects with such a percentage.</p><p>Follow the money.  Good judges do that, and so do good detectives.</p><p>The person committing the fraud as the customer was receiving no money, just product.  Is it a coincidence that nearly all of the customers were using fraud to obtain the product?  Highly unlikely.</p><p>The musicians selling their product to these customers, were receiving the money, laundered even.</p><p>With so many damaged parties involved, I find it laughable that these criminals thought that nobody would even suspect the "musicians" of fraud and start to investigate them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 30k each just does n't seem worth it .
What a waste of criminal talent.Talent ?
These guys are morons .
You make it sound like they were Lex Luthor or something .
Truthfully , I think Pinky and the Brain would of come up with a better plan.They created an artificial product .
Maybe that is too harsh , I dunno .
Their music could be decent for all we know .
Putting this product up for sale on iTunes and then generating what was probably 99.99 \ % fraudulent sales was a huge tip off .
The fraud investigators would certainly label the musicians as prime suspects with such a percentage.Follow the money .
Good judges do that , and so do good detectives.The person committing the fraud as the customer was receiving no money , just product .
Is it a coincidence that nearly all of the customers were using fraud to obtain the product ?
Highly unlikely.The musicians selling their product to these customers , were receiving the money , laundered even.With so many damaged parties involved , I find it laughable that these criminals thought that nobody would even suspect the " musicians " of fraud and start to investigate them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$30k each just doesn't seem worth it.
What a waste of criminal talent.Talent?
These guys are morons.
You make it sound like they were Lex Luthor or something.
Truthfully, I think Pinky and the Brain would of come up with a better plan.They created an artificial product.
Maybe that is too harsh, I dunno.
Their music could be decent for all we know.
Putting this product up for sale on iTunes and then generating what was probably 99.99\% fraudulent sales was a huge tip off.
The fraud investigators would certainly label the musicians as prime suspects with such a percentage.Follow the money.
Good judges do that, and so do good detectives.The person committing the fraud as the customer was receiving no money, just product.
Is it a coincidence that nearly all of the customers were using fraud to obtain the product?
Highly unlikely.The musicians selling their product to these customers, were receiving the money, laundered even.With so many damaged parties involved, I find it laughable that these criminals thought that nobody would even suspect the "musicians" of fraud and start to investigate them.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28309807</id>
	<title>Re:Follow the money</title>
	<author>tattood</author>
	<datestamp>1244827980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem with this, is that you either need to buy the cards at an Apple store or online.  If you buy it at the store, you need an actual credit card, and usually they only have the number and not the real card. This also exposes a person to another person, who could possibly be a witness.  If you buy it online, Apple will ship you the physical iTunes gift card.  You don't get the number online, so there is still an address that can be traced back to someone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with this , is that you either need to buy the cards at an Apple store or online .
If you buy it at the store , you need an actual credit card , and usually they only have the number and not the real card .
This also exposes a person to another person , who could possibly be a witness .
If you buy it online , Apple will ship you the physical iTunes gift card .
You do n't get the number online , so there is still an address that can be traced back to someone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with this, is that you either need to buy the cards at an Apple store or online.
If you buy it at the store, you need an actual credit card, and usually they only have the number and not the real card.
This also exposes a person to another person, who could possibly be a witness.
If you buy it online, Apple will ship you the physical iTunes gift card.
You don't get the number online, so there is still an address that can be traced back to someone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304987</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304681</id>
	<title>Whos says the online music model works</title>
	<author>P1aGu3ed</author>
	<datestamp>1244746140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I say we go back to the outdated model of printing CDs and using stolen credit cards to buy boxes of them. So much easier, and they would never have been caught.

No really.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I say we go back to the outdated model of printing CDs and using stolen credit cards to buy boxes of them .
So much easier , and they would never have been caught .
No really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say we go back to the outdated model of printing CDs and using stolen credit cards to buy boxes of them.
So much easier, and they would never have been caught.
No really.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28316485</id>
	<title>Re:Were the songs any good?</title>
	<author>Anenome</author>
	<datestamp>1244817600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Essentially, they invented a crappy form of money-laundering. It's actually fairly inventive and will become a larger problem with the expansion of small-time produced media.</p><p>No doubt this is occurring on a smaller scale already. These guys got caught not really by Itunes but by the stolen credit cards. If the source of the money were not stolen, there would be no effective way to detect this. It's like 21st century pork-belly future!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Essentially , they invented a crappy form of money-laundering .
It 's actually fairly inventive and will become a larger problem with the expansion of small-time produced media.No doubt this is occurring on a smaller scale already .
These guys got caught not really by Itunes but by the stolen credit cards .
If the source of the money were not stolen , there would be no effective way to detect this .
It 's like 21st century pork-belly future !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Essentially, they invented a crappy form of money-laundering.
It's actually fairly inventive and will become a larger problem with the expansion of small-time produced media.No doubt this is occurring on a smaller scale already.
These guys got caught not really by Itunes but by the stolen credit cards.
If the source of the money were not stolen, there would be no effective way to detect this.
It's like 21st century pork-belly future!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28304851</id>
	<title>Re:Were the songs any good?</title>
	<author>Anenome</author>
	<datestamp>1244748660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They were all third rate covers of "Money, money, money, money!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were all third rate covers of " Money , money , money , money !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They were all third rate covers of "Money, money, money, money!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28306807</id>
	<title>Re:Way to think small</title>
	<author>SupremoMan</author>
	<datestamp>1244815140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes they were stupid. The real masterminds are the guys who sold them the credit cards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes they were stupid .
The real masterminds are the guys who sold them the credit cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes they were stupid.
The real masterminds are the guys who sold them the credit cards.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305397</id>
	<title>They can repay it all..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244799840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. if they just post another song called 'Slashdot Effect'. I think we'd all pay to see a band of credit card fraudsters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. if they just post another song called 'Slashdot Effect' .
I think we 'd all pay to see a band of credit card fraudsters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. if they just post another song called 'Slashdot Effect'.
I think we'd all pay to see a band of credit card fraudsters.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28308071</id>
	<title>Re:Follow the money</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1244821020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That won't work.  You need to set up something that means you receive money from a legitimate account.  With the ebay sales, the money is coming to you direct from the stolen credit card, with only the plausible deniability that you didn't know it was from a stolen card.  That transaction can still be reversed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That wo n't work .
You need to set up something that means you receive money from a legitimate account .
With the ebay sales , the money is coming to you direct from the stolen credit card , with only the plausible deniability that you did n't know it was from a stolen card .
That transaction can still be reversed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That won't work.
You need to set up something that means you receive money from a legitimate account.
With the ebay sales, the money is coming to you direct from the stolen credit card, with only the plausible deniability that you didn't know it was from a stolen card.
That transaction can still be reversed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305013</id>
	<title>Re:Simple Solution</title>
	<author>iron-kurton</author>
	<datestamp>1244838180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you for this. I am still wiping tears from my eyes lol</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for this .
I am still wiping tears from my eyes lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for this.
I am still wiping tears from my eyes lol</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28308261</id>
	<title>Re:Were the songs any good?</title>
	<author>daashton</author>
	<datestamp>1244821740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe he was referring to "For the Love of Money" aka the money song by the O'Jays</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe he was referring to " For the Love of Money " aka the money song by the O'Jays</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe he was referring to "For the Love of Money" aka the money song by the O'Jays</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305709</id>
	<title>Re:BBC is reporting nine people not ten...</title>
	<author>SnowZero</author>
	<datestamp>1244804640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The BBC is reporting that nine people were arrested. Six men and three women. And not ten like many other articles are reporting.</i></p><p>That's because Keyser Soze got away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The BBC is reporting that nine people were arrested .
Six men and three women .
And not ten like many other articles are reporting.That 's because Keyser Soze got away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The BBC is reporting that nine people were arrested.
Six men and three women.
And not ten like many other articles are reporting.That's because Keyser Soze got away.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_12_016223.28305289</id>
	<title>Re:BBC is reporting nine people not ten...</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1244798400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I also wonder if Amazon/I-Tunes will have to forfeit the money?</i></p><p>You mean from any legit sales they get?  I'd imagine not, but the gang themselves probably wouldn't be allowed to benefit -- the money owed to them would likely be seized using the Proceeds of Crime Act, which gives the government very wide ranging powers to take criminals' posessions without having to actually prove they were obtained illegaly.</p><p>On the whole, though, Amazon and iTunes will lose out here.  They'll have had thousands (if not more) chargebacks, which will have cost them more to deal with than they earned in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also wonder if Amazon/I-Tunes will have to forfeit the money ? You mean from any legit sales they get ?
I 'd imagine not , but the gang themselves probably would n't be allowed to benefit -- the money owed to them would likely be seized using the Proceeds of Crime Act , which gives the government very wide ranging powers to take criminals ' posessions without having to actually prove they were obtained illegaly.On the whole , though , Amazon and iTunes will lose out here .
They 'll have had thousands ( if not more ) chargebacks , which will have cost them more to deal with than they earned in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also wonder if Amazon/I-Tunes will have to forfeit the money?You mean from any legit sales they get?
I'd imagine not, but the gang themselves probably wouldn't be allowed to benefit -- the money owed to them would likely be seized using the Proceeds of Crime Act, which gives the government very wide ranging powers to take criminals' posessions without having to actually prove they were obtained illegaly.On the whole, though, Amazon and iTunes will lose out here.
They'll have had thousands (if not more) chargebacks, which will have cost them more to deal with than they earned in the first place.</sentencetext>
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