<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_11_181223</id>
	<title>Saving Unix Heritage, One Kernel At a Time</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244744760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:mcooney@nww.com" rel="nofollow">coondoggie</a> writes <i>"In this, its 40th year of operating system life, some Unix stalwarts are trying to resurrect its past. That is, they are taking on the unenviable and difficult job of <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/42613">restoring to their former glory old Unix software artifacts</a> such as early Unix kernels, compilers and other important historical source code pieces.

In a paper to be presented at next week's Usenix show, Warren Toomey of the Bond School of IT is expected to detail restoration work being done on four key Unix software artifacts all from the early 1970s &mdash; Nsys, 1st edition Unix kernel, 1st and 2nd edition binaries and early C compilers.

In his paper, Toomey states that while the history of Unix has been well-documented, there was a time when the actual artifacts of early Unix development were in danger of being lost forever."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>coondoggie writes " In this , its 40th year of operating system life , some Unix stalwarts are trying to resurrect its past .
That is , they are taking on the unenviable and difficult job of restoring to their former glory old Unix software artifacts such as early Unix kernels , compilers and other important historical source code pieces .
In a paper to be presented at next week 's Usenix show , Warren Toomey of the Bond School of IT is expected to detail restoration work being done on four key Unix software artifacts all from the early 1970s    Nsys , 1st edition Unix kernel , 1st and 2nd edition binaries and early C compilers .
In his paper , Toomey states that while the history of Unix has been well-documented , there was a time when the actual artifacts of early Unix development were in danger of being lost forever .
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<sentencetext>coondoggie writes "In this, its 40th year of operating system life, some Unix stalwarts are trying to resurrect its past.
That is, they are taking on the unenviable and difficult job of restoring to their former glory old Unix software artifacts such as early Unix kernels, compilers and other important historical source code pieces.
In a paper to be presented at next week's Usenix show, Warren Toomey of the Bond School of IT is expected to detail restoration work being done on four key Unix software artifacts all from the early 1970s — Nsys, 1st edition Unix kernel, 1st and 2nd edition binaries and early C compilers.
In his paper, Toomey states that while the history of Unix has been well-documented, there was a time when the actual artifacts of early Unix development were in danger of being lost forever.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298013</id>
	<title>SIMH</title>
	<author>wandazulu</author>
	<datestamp>1244749980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://simh.trailing-edge.com/" title="trailing-edge.com">SIMH</a> [trailing-edge.com] is a hardware emulator for a lot of the machines Unix ran on (PDP-8, PDP-11, etc.). They also have some original <a href="http://simh.trailing-edge.com/software.html" title="trailing-edge.com">Unix versions</a> [trailing-edge.com] along with some other software for the other hardware they support.</p><p>I have run Unix V5 on a SIMH-based PDP-11, and it worked well, though it was strange to realize how fast it was running, in emulation, on a machine 1/16 its original size (Mac laptop).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SIMH [ trailing-edge.com ] is a hardware emulator for a lot of the machines Unix ran on ( PDP-8 , PDP-11 , etc. ) .
They also have some original Unix versions [ trailing-edge.com ] along with some other software for the other hardware they support.I have run Unix V5 on a SIMH-based PDP-11 , and it worked well , though it was strange to realize how fast it was running , in emulation , on a machine 1/16 its original size ( Mac laptop ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SIMH [trailing-edge.com] is a hardware emulator for a lot of the machines Unix ran on (PDP-8, PDP-11, etc.).
They also have some original Unix versions [trailing-edge.com] along with some other software for the other hardware they support.I have run Unix V5 on a SIMH-based PDP-11, and it worked well, though it was strange to realize how fast it was running, in emulation, on a machine 1/16 its original size (Mac laptop).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298881</id>
	<title>Re:Usenix attendees.....</title>
	<author>Paracelcus</author>
	<datestamp>1244753040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a special gizmo on my Go Go Elite Traveler PLUS to hold my EeePC!<br>And a bag for my depends..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a special gizmo on my Go Go Elite Traveler PLUS to hold my EeePC ! And a bag for my depends. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a special gizmo on my Go Go Elite Traveler PLUS to hold my EeePC!And a bag for my depends..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299333</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>ogdenk</author>
	<datestamp>1244711520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, totally.  We should like burn the Wright Flyer and close the Smithsonian too.  They're like boring and old and stuff.  Then we can go get some Brawndo.</p><p>You really are a tarded aren't you?  Thought about being a pilot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , totally .
We should like burn the Wright Flyer and close the Smithsonian too .
They 're like boring and old and stuff .
Then we can go get some Brawndo.You really are a tarded are n't you ?
Thought about being a pilot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, totally.
We should like burn the Wright Flyer and close the Smithsonian too.
They're like boring and old and stuff.
Then we can go get some Brawndo.You really are a tarded aren't you?
Thought about being a pilot?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297589</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28303169</id>
	<title>yippee</title>
	<author>planetfinder</author>
	<datestamp>1244730240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its the same basic stuff we use today with color graphics thrown in for a thrill. The appeal of this sort of thing is really odd.</p><p>It begs the question:<br>Why are we still stuck with this archaic style of operating system after all these decades ?<br>Its so dated in the face of todays needs that we are supplementing file browsing with a brute force string search<br>to find our stuff. Funnier still we tout this crude bandaid on defunct technology  as new and innovative technology.</p><p>I once thought that computer technology would amount to something in my lifetime.<br>Now we sit around waiting for the year of the Linux desktop, the free version of 40 year old shit.<br>I don't understand why it wasn't being given away 20 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its the same basic stuff we use today with color graphics thrown in for a thrill .
The appeal of this sort of thing is really odd.It begs the question : Why are we still stuck with this archaic style of operating system after all these decades ? Its so dated in the face of todays needs that we are supplementing file browsing with a brute force string searchto find our stuff .
Funnier still we tout this crude bandaid on defunct technology as new and innovative technology.I once thought that computer technology would amount to something in my lifetime.Now we sit around waiting for the year of the Linux desktop , the free version of 40 year old shit.I do n't understand why it was n't being given away 20 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its the same basic stuff we use today with color graphics thrown in for a thrill.
The appeal of this sort of thing is really odd.It begs the question:Why are we still stuck with this archaic style of operating system after all these decades ?Its so dated in the face of todays needs that we are supplementing file browsing with a brute force string searchto find our stuff.
Funnier still we tout this crude bandaid on defunct technology  as new and innovative technology.I once thought that computer technology would amount to something in my lifetime.Now we sit around waiting for the year of the Linux desktop, the free version of 40 year old shit.I don't understand why it wasn't being given away 20 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298405</id>
	<title>Re:History is history</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1244751360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And, fitting onto a single DVD, these systems are much cheaper for museums to show to the kids than Sumerian clay tablets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And , fitting onto a single DVD , these systems are much cheaper for museums to show to the kids than Sumerian clay tablets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, fitting onto a single DVD, these systems are much cheaper for museums to show to the kids than Sumerian clay tablets.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297943</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297897</id>
	<title>Which "Unix" are they talking about?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought Unix has lots of so called <a href="http://linux.about.com/library/bl/bl\_flavorlist.htm" title="about.com" rel="nofollow">"flavors"</a> [about.com] so which one are they talking about?</p><p>In fact, the little piece I link to has this introduction:</p><p><b>Unix is not a single operating system. It has many flavors (aka. variants, types, or implementations). Although based on a core set of Unix commands, different flavors have their own unique commands and features, and designed to work with different types of hardware. No one knows exactly how many Unix flavors are there, but it is safe to say that if including all those that are obscure and obsolete, the number of Unix flavors is at least in the hundreds. You can often tell that an operating system is in the Unix family if it has a name that is a combination of the letters U, I, and X.</b></p><p>So what exactly are these folks talking about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Unix has lots of so called " flavors " [ about.com ] so which one are they talking about ? In fact , the little piece I link to has this introduction : Unix is not a single operating system .
It has many flavors ( aka .
variants , types , or implementations ) .
Although based on a core set of Unix commands , different flavors have their own unique commands and features , and designed to work with different types of hardware .
No one knows exactly how many Unix flavors are there , but it is safe to say that if including all those that are obscure and obsolete , the number of Unix flavors is at least in the hundreds .
You can often tell that an operating system is in the Unix family if it has a name that is a combination of the letters U , I , and X.So what exactly are these folks talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Unix has lots of so called "flavors" [about.com] so which one are they talking about?In fact, the little piece I link to has this introduction:Unix is not a single operating system.
It has many flavors (aka.
variants, types, or implementations).
Although based on a core set of Unix commands, different flavors have their own unique commands and features, and designed to work with different types of hardware.
No one knows exactly how many Unix flavors are there, but it is safe to say that if including all those that are obscure and obsolete, the number of Unix flavors is at least in the hundreds.
You can often tell that an operating system is in the Unix family if it has a name that is a combination of the letters U, I, and X.So what exactly are these folks talking about?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298463</id>
	<title>Re:Which "Unix" are they talking about?</title>
	<author>middlemen</author>
	<datestamp>1244751600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can often tell that an operating system is in the Unix family if it has a name that is a combination of the letters U, I, and X.</p></div><p>

That's a little unfair to the users of BSD based operating systems like FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Mac OSX and other variants.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can often tell that an operating system is in the Unix family if it has a name that is a combination of the letters U , I , and X . That 's a little unfair to the users of BSD based operating systems like FreeBSD , OpenBSD , NetBSD , Mac OSX and other variants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can often tell that an operating system is in the Unix family if it has a name that is a combination of the letters U, I, and X.

That's a little unfair to the users of BSD based operating systems like FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Mac OSX and other variants.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298559</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Jamie's Nightmare</author>
	<datestamp>1244751900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is an asinine quote that assumes all future Operating Systems <i>should</i> try and be Unix.  I completely disagree.  New ideas should be just that, new.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an asinine quote that assumes all future Operating Systems should try and be Unix .
I completely disagree .
New ideas should be just that , new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an asinine quote that assumes all future Operating Systems should try and be Unix.
I completely disagree.
New ideas should be just that, new.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297749</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298269</id>
	<title>how about curses and text games?</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1244750760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
rogue, sail, wump, search (you have crashed into a planet), battlestar (in the closet is a kingly robe), mazewars, that mazewars-like curses game who's name escapes me, with a variety of weapons (satchel bomb... oooo...) that had destructable maze walls.
</p><p>
There are a variety of Rogue-like games out there that have been ported to current platforms, but the other ones, especially sail, search and mazewars, I haven't seen in years and years.  These games were arguably part of our early Unix heritage because they enticed people to get a login and explore the OS, and for many of us (myself included) they were our motivation learn how to write termcaps for obscure terminals and emulators (the acid test was if Rogue would render correctly), learn programming to fix and enhance the games, and earn root access to do installs and fix permission issues.
</p><p>
Multi-user Unix games like sail and mazewars helped spread the Unix word because we were always trying to entice others to get a login so we could play with them.  People with early PC experience couldn't even conceive of multi-user games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>rogue , sail , wump , search ( you have crashed into a planet ) , battlestar ( in the closet is a kingly robe ) , mazewars , that mazewars-like curses game who 's name escapes me , with a variety of weapons ( satchel bomb... oooo... ) that had destructable maze walls .
There are a variety of Rogue-like games out there that have been ported to current platforms , but the other ones , especially sail , search and mazewars , I have n't seen in years and years .
These games were arguably part of our early Unix heritage because they enticed people to get a login and explore the OS , and for many of us ( myself included ) they were our motivation learn how to write termcaps for obscure terminals and emulators ( the acid test was if Rogue would render correctly ) , learn programming to fix and enhance the games , and earn root access to do installs and fix permission issues .
Multi-user Unix games like sail and mazewars helped spread the Unix word because we were always trying to entice others to get a login so we could play with them .
People with early PC experience could n't even conceive of multi-user games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
rogue, sail, wump, search (you have crashed into a planet), battlestar (in the closet is a kingly robe), mazewars, that mazewars-like curses game who's name escapes me, with a variety of weapons (satchel bomb... oooo...) that had destructable maze walls.
There are a variety of Rogue-like games out there that have been ported to current platforms, but the other ones, especially sail, search and mazewars, I haven't seen in years and years.
These games were arguably part of our early Unix heritage because they enticed people to get a login and explore the OS, and for many of us (myself included) they were our motivation learn how to write termcaps for obscure terminals and emulators (the acid test was if Rogue would render correctly), learn programming to fix and enhance the games, and earn root access to do installs and fix permission issues.
Multi-user Unix games like sail and mazewars helped spread the Unix word because we were always trying to entice others to get a login so we could play with them.
People with early PC experience couldn't even conceive of multi-user games.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298921</id>
	<title>Easy to use Windows SIMH packages</title>
	<author>JasonStevens</author>
	<datestamp>1244753160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm glad this is getting some exposure.  I know that Warren &amp; co worked hard to get this ancient UNIX not only in a working state, but also he is the one responsible for pushing SCO with the oldSCO source license, and played a hand in getting Research UNIX 1-7 &amp; 32v under a BSD style license, thus setting the foundation of UNIX free.

Now SIMH may not be the 'friendliest' software out there for a new user to get used to, so I've done my part in making it a little more accessible.  On the sourceforge project <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">https://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42</a> [sourceforge.net]  I've created Windows installable versions of the 4BSD stuff, 32v and UNIX v1.  I do plan to add all the other research versions, along with a new build of RENO that doesn't need 1.8GB...  Anyways try them out! the 4BSD stuff has TCP/IP along with a SLiRP hack it can connect to the internet immediately!  IRC/Lynx/GCC work great on the Uwisc 4.3 BSD build.

Ok that being said, there is a repository of SIMH binaries on <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/simh" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">https://sourceforge.net/projects/simh</a> [sourceforge.net] , and the MS-DOS build includes some small 'bootstrap' versions of various OS's including v1 UNIX on the PDP-11 simulator.

The bar to trying this stuff is a lot lower then you may have guessed, and I'd encourage any fan of UNIX to really check it out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad this is getting some exposure .
I know that Warren &amp; co worked hard to get this ancient UNIX not only in a working state , but also he is the one responsible for pushing SCO with the oldSCO source license , and played a hand in getting Research UNIX 1-7 &amp; 32v under a BSD style license , thus setting the foundation of UNIX free .
Now SIMH may not be the 'friendliest ' software out there for a new user to get used to , so I 've done my part in making it a little more accessible .
On the sourceforge project https : //sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42 [ sourceforge.net ] I 've created Windows installable versions of the 4BSD stuff , 32v and UNIX v1 .
I do plan to add all the other research versions , along with a new build of RENO that does n't need 1.8GB... Anyways try them out !
the 4BSD stuff has TCP/IP along with a SLiRP hack it can connect to the internet immediately !
IRC/Lynx/GCC work great on the Uwisc 4.3 BSD build .
Ok that being said , there is a repository of SIMH binaries on https : //sourceforge.net/projects/simh [ sourceforge.net ] , and the MS-DOS build includes some small 'bootstrap ' versions of various OS 's including v1 UNIX on the PDP-11 simulator .
The bar to trying this stuff is a lot lower then you may have guessed , and I 'd encourage any fan of UNIX to really check it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad this is getting some exposure.
I know that Warren &amp; co worked hard to get this ancient UNIX not only in a working state, but also he is the one responsible for pushing SCO with the oldSCO source license, and played a hand in getting Research UNIX 1-7 &amp; 32v under a BSD style license, thus setting the foundation of UNIX free.
Now SIMH may not be the 'friendliest' software out there for a new user to get used to, so I've done my part in making it a little more accessible.
On the sourceforge project https://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42 [sourceforge.net]  I've created Windows installable versions of the 4BSD stuff, 32v and UNIX v1.
I do plan to add all the other research versions, along with a new build of RENO that doesn't need 1.8GB...  Anyways try them out!
the 4BSD stuff has TCP/IP along with a SLiRP hack it can connect to the internet immediately!
IRC/Lynx/GCC work great on the Uwisc 4.3 BSD build.
Ok that being said, there is a repository of SIMH binaries on https://sourceforge.net/projects/simh [sourceforge.net] , and the MS-DOS build includes some small 'bootstrap' versions of various OS's including v1 UNIX on the PDP-11 simulator.
The bar to trying this stuff is a lot lower then you may have guessed, and I'd encourage any fan of UNIX to really check it out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28305319</id>
	<title>Re:Usenix attendees.....</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1244798760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those diseases come with the age (because of decades of eating crap) not from the age. Just so you know (And possibly can prevent them yourself. [Some of them can even be fixed trough eating species-appropriate, even when you're not in your 20s anymore.])</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those diseases come with the age ( because of decades of eating crap ) not from the age .
Just so you know ( And possibly can prevent them yourself .
[ Some of them can even be fixed trough eating species-appropriate , even when you 're not in your 20s anymore .
] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those diseases come with the age (because of decades of eating crap) not from the age.
Just so you know (And possibly can prevent them yourself.
[Some of them can even be fixed trough eating species-appropriate, even when you're not in your 20s anymore.
])</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298025</id>
	<title>Unix as an "Idea Mine"</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1244750040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very often the technically 'best' implementation doesn't win and I'd like to see those stories from inside Unix.  For me, that's a more interesting angle than just version/feature stories.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very often the technically 'best ' implementation does n't win and I 'd like to see those stories from inside Unix .
For me , that 's a more interesting angle than just version/feature stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very often the technically 'best' implementation doesn't win and I'd like to see those stories from inside Unix.
For me, that's a more interesting angle than just version/feature stories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298459</id>
	<title>Re:Which "Unix" are they talking about?</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1244751540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Original flavor.  All the stuff talked about in this article comes from before UNIX split into its hundreds of variants.  In fact, these are so early that they come from before UNIX escaped out of Bell Labs.  UNIX didn't start splitting into different flavors until about Versions 4 and 5.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Original flavor .
All the stuff talked about in this article comes from before UNIX split into its hundreds of variants .
In fact , these are so early that they come from before UNIX escaped out of Bell Labs .
UNIX did n't start splitting into different flavors until about Versions 4 and 5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Original flavor.
All the stuff talked about in this article comes from before UNIX split into its hundreds of variants.
In fact, these are so early that they come from before UNIX escaped out of Bell Labs.
UNIX didn't start splitting into different flavors until about Versions 4 and 5.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299513</id>
	<title>Worse loses at the end</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1244712120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if you are fooled by lack of Desktop popularity of Linux since I see UNIX, by exact meaning along with certificates is approaching 10\% desktop share now and  basically sets the destination on mobile scene. That is OS X for you. Should Apple do the most interesting thing ever and gather Unix 03 certificate for a mobile device too?</p><p>If we look to matter as *NIX, MS is actually struggling to reach top spot spending billions of dollars to overtake Linux and FreeBSD \_dominance\_ on server scene. Enterprise? UNIX simply owns it. No matter their web 2.0 abuser army says or their sell off trojans in FOSS claims, UNIX runs the enterprise for 40 years and counting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if you are fooled by lack of Desktop popularity of Linux since I see UNIX , by exact meaning along with certificates is approaching 10 \ % desktop share now and basically sets the destination on mobile scene .
That is OS X for you .
Should Apple do the most interesting thing ever and gather Unix 03 certificate for a mobile device too ? If we look to matter as * NIX , MS is actually struggling to reach top spot spending billions of dollars to overtake Linux and FreeBSD \ _dominance \ _ on server scene .
Enterprise ? UNIX simply owns it .
No matter their web 2.0 abuser army says or their sell off trojans in FOSS claims , UNIX runs the enterprise for 40 years and counting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if you are fooled by lack of Desktop popularity of Linux since I see UNIX, by exact meaning along with certificates is approaching 10\% desktop share now and  basically sets the destination on mobile scene.
That is OS X for you.
Should Apple do the most interesting thing ever and gather Unix 03 certificate for a mobile device too?If we look to matter as *NIX, MS is actually struggling to reach top spot spending billions of dollars to overtake Linux and FreeBSD \_dominance\_ on server scene.
Enterprise? UNIX simply owns it.
No matter their web 2.0 abuser army says or their sell off trojans in FOSS claims, UNIX runs the enterprise for 40 years and counting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297869</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299111</id>
	<title>Oh boy</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1244753760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone will trot out a copy of the Morris worm and we can relive history all over again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone will trot out a copy of the Morris worm and we can relive history all over again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone will trot out a copy of the Morris worm and we can relive history all over again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297803</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1244749260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a good point. I agree, they should be doing something useful like trying to get first post on slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a good point .
I agree , they should be doing something useful like trying to get first post on slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a good point.
I agree, they should be doing something useful like trying to get first post on slashdot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297589</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299429</id>
	<title>paper and program</title>
	<author>adelporto</author>
	<datestamp>1244711820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paper here: <a href="http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/full\_papers/toomey/toomey.pdf" title="usenix.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/full\_papers/toomey/toomey.pdf</a> [usenix.org] </p><p>Program here: <a href="http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/" title="usenix.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/</a> [usenix.org]</p><p>Yes, I work for USENIX. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paper here : http : //www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/full \ _papers/toomey/toomey.pdf [ usenix.org ] Program here : http : //www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/ [ usenix.org ] Yes , I work for USENIX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paper here: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/full\_papers/toomey/toomey.pdf [usenix.org] Program here: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/tech/ [usenix.org]Yes, I work for USENIX. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298131</id>
	<title>Re:Which "Unix" are they talking about?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244750340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Almost all of those flavors come from one version of unix written in the early 70s.  That's the one they're trying to find out about.   Linux is an exception in that it did not "evolve" from that early Unix or it's descendants.  It was written to function like "Minix" another unix-like OS which surprisingly, is also not descended from the Unix line.   Even operating systems like modern Windows borrow heavily from concepts and ideas in Unix.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost all of those flavors come from one version of unix written in the early 70s .
That 's the one they 're trying to find out about .
Linux is an exception in that it did not " evolve " from that early Unix or it 's descendants .
It was written to function like " Minix " another unix-like OS which surprisingly , is also not descended from the Unix line .
Even operating systems like modern Windows borrow heavily from concepts and ideas in Unix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost all of those flavors come from one version of unix written in the early 70s.
That's the one they're trying to find out about.
Linux is an exception in that it did not "evolve" from that early Unix or it's descendants.
It was written to function like "Minix" another unix-like OS which surprisingly, is also not descended from the Unix line.
Even operating systems like modern Windows borrow heavily from concepts and ideas in Unix.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299651</id>
	<title>Re:how about curses and text games?</title>
	<author>Teckla</author>
	<datestamp>1244712600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>rogue, sail, wump, search (you have crashed into a planet), battlestar (in the closet is a kingly robe), mazewars, that mazewars-like curses game who's name escapes me, with a variety of weapons (satchel bomb... oooo...) that had destructable maze walls.</p></div><p>You're thinking of Hunt. Multi-player fragfest goodness! It had pretty decent performance on 1200 baud (even 300 baud) too.</p><p>Hunt was also a <i>great</i> way to train your fingers to use the hjkl movement keys!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>rogue , sail , wump , search ( you have crashed into a planet ) , battlestar ( in the closet is a kingly robe ) , mazewars , that mazewars-like curses game who 's name escapes me , with a variety of weapons ( satchel bomb... oooo... ) that had destructable maze walls.You 're thinking of Hunt .
Multi-player fragfest goodness !
It had pretty decent performance on 1200 baud ( even 300 baud ) too.Hunt was also a great way to train your fingers to use the hjkl movement keys !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>rogue, sail, wump, search (you have crashed into a planet), battlestar (in the closet is a kingly robe), mazewars, that mazewars-like curses game who's name escapes me, with a variety of weapons (satchel bomb... oooo...) that had destructable maze walls.You're thinking of Hunt.
Multi-player fragfest goodness!
It had pretty decent performance on 1200 baud (even 300 baud) too.Hunt was also a great way to train your fingers to use the hjkl movement keys!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297749</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>ArsonSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1244749080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those that don't learn UNIX are doomed to reinvent it.  Poorly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those that do n't learn UNIX are doomed to reinvent it .
Poorly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those that don't learn UNIX are doomed to reinvent it.
Poorly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297589</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297825</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Maximum Prophet</author>
	<datestamp>1244749380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So we can tell today's young'ns what *real* programming was like.  Back in my day we didn't have this new-fangled Internet, we had to <b>walk</b> to the terminal room.  Uphill, in the snow, both ways...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So we can tell today 's young'ns what * real * programming was like .
Back in my day we did n't have this new-fangled Internet , we had to walk to the terminal room .
Uphill , in the snow , both ways.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So we can tell today's young'ns what *real* programming was like.
Back in my day we didn't have this new-fangled Internet, we had to walk to the terminal room.
Uphill, in the snow, both ways...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297589</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299155</id>
	<title>Re:SIMH</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1244753940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm...</p><p>Unix never ran on a PDP-8, as far as I know.</p><p>For DEC systems, it ran on PDP-7, PDP-11, VAX, and Alpha. The original PDP-7 version, and the early PDP-11 versions are lost to the mists of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm...Unix never ran on a PDP-8 , as far as I know.For DEC systems , it ran on PDP-7 , PDP-11 , VAX , and Alpha .
The original PDP-7 version , and the early PDP-11 versions are lost to the mists of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm...Unix never ran on a PDP-8, as far as I know.For DEC systems, it ran on PDP-7, PDP-11, VAX, and Alpha.
The original PDP-7 version, and the early PDP-11 versions are lost to the mists of time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298013</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299777</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244713020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, I believe the quote actually "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly."</p><p>Second, as much as I like Unix (been using Linux since 95, running BSD and MacOSX as well, Windows free since '04), I absolutely hate this statement to the effect that somehow OS architecture reached perfection in the 70s.</p><p>So maybe attempts since then have not been as good, or not better enough, or whatever. Fine. But to say that it's now as good as it's going to get is a load of cr*p.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First , I believe the quote actually " Those who do n't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it , poorly .
" Second , as much as I like Unix ( been using Linux since 95 , running BSD and MacOSX as well , Windows free since '04 ) , I absolutely hate this statement to the effect that somehow OS architecture reached perfection in the 70s.So maybe attempts since then have not been as good , or not better enough , or whatever .
Fine. But to say that it 's now as good as it 's going to get is a load of cr * p .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, I believe the quote actually "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
"Second, as much as I like Unix (been using Linux since 95, running BSD and MacOSX as well, Windows free since '04), I absolutely hate this statement to the effect that somehow OS architecture reached perfection in the 70s.So maybe attempts since then have not been as good, or not better enough, or whatever.
Fine. But to say that it's now as good as it's going to get is a load of cr*p.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297749</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298541</id>
	<title>Perfect diversion for those with hoarding disorder</title>
	<author>jeffb (2.718)</author>
	<datestamp>1244751840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you must obsessively collect something, it might as well be bits.  Every year or two, you can squeeze twice as much stuff into the same space.  That makes it less likely that you'll be found trapped, filthy and emaciated, beneath a collapsed pile of your hoarded treasures.</p><p>This is the first time in human history that true exponential hoarding has become not only possible, but practical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you must obsessively collect something , it might as well be bits .
Every year or two , you can squeeze twice as much stuff into the same space .
That makes it less likely that you 'll be found trapped , filthy and emaciated , beneath a collapsed pile of your hoarded treasures.This is the first time in human history that true exponential hoarding has become not only possible , but practical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you must obsessively collect something, it might as well be bits.
Every year or two, you can squeeze twice as much stuff into the same space.
That makes it less likely that you'll be found trapped, filthy and emaciated, beneath a collapsed pile of your hoarded treasures.This is the first time in human history that true exponential hoarding has become not only possible, but practical.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297969</id>
	<title>What, no documentation?</title>
	<author>bzzfzz</author>
	<datestamp>1244749860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA: "documentation is missing or incomplete, source code is missing leaving only the binary executables, or conversely the source exists but the compilation tools to reconstruct the executables are missing."</p><p>Sounds like any number of projects I've had the pleasure of working on over the years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " documentation is missing or incomplete , source code is missing leaving only the binary executables , or conversely the source exists but the compilation tools to reconstruct the executables are missing .
" Sounds like any number of projects I 've had the pleasure of working on over the years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: "documentation is missing or incomplete, source code is missing leaving only the binary executables, or conversely the source exists but the compilation tools to reconstruct the executables are missing.
"Sounds like any number of projects I've had the pleasure of working on over the years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297645</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244748660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unix really was one of the few programs to determine the fate of an entire industry. Every modern OS can trace back to Unix in some way or form. Keeping the history of Unix especially the early releases and plans can help better document the historical software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unix really was one of the few programs to determine the fate of an entire industry .
Every modern OS can trace back to Unix in some way or form .
Keeping the history of Unix especially the early releases and plans can help better document the historical software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unix really was one of the few programs to determine the fate of an entire industry.
Every modern OS can trace back to Unix in some way or form.
Keeping the history of Unix especially the early releases and plans can help better document the historical software.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297589</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28301959</id>
	<title>Re:Usenix attendees.....</title>
	<author>Randle\_Revar</author>
	<datestamp>1244721540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, I was at Usenix (LISA) in 2001 (age 19), and it was awesome. I wish I could go again, but it doesn't look likely in the near future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I was at Usenix ( LISA ) in 2001 ( age 19 ) , and it was awesome .
I wish I could go again , but it does n't look likely in the near future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I was at Usenix (LISA) in 2001 (age 19), and it was awesome.
I wish I could go again, but it doesn't look likely in the near future.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28308177</id>
	<title>Re:how about curses and text games?</title>
	<author>axl917</author>
	<datestamp>1244821380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OMG Hunt!  That's what it was called.  Me and the fellow MUDders used to hop onto that whenever the network dropped our connections to the outside world, which was frequent back then.

The sysop was brutal, having played it for a few years when he was a student, before we got there.  Used to excel at running thru people and stabbing them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG Hunt !
That 's what it was called .
Me and the fellow MUDders used to hop onto that whenever the network dropped our connections to the outside world , which was frequent back then .
The sysop was brutal , having played it for a few years when he was a student , before we got there .
Used to excel at running thru people and stabbing them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG Hunt!
That's what it was called.
Me and the fellow MUDders used to hop onto that whenever the network dropped our connections to the outside world, which was frequent back then.
The sysop was brutal, having played it for a few years when he was a student, before we got there.
Used to excel at running thru people and stabbing them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298269</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297589</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244748480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up? Don't these guys have anything better to do?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up ?
Do n't these guys have anything better to do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up?
Don't these guys have anything better to do?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297789</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>oldspewey</author>
	<datestamp>1244749200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe they're looking for the stolen SCO code in Linux?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they 're looking for the stolen SCO code in Linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they're looking for the stolen SCO code in Linux?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297589</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297869</id>
	<title>Worse is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Despite what many a slashdot crowd might think, UNIX isn't exactly an elixir from the Gods. UNIX, Microsoft Windows and Intel x86 are living proofs that the best / most innovative technology doesn't necessarily have to win. Check Out: http://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite what many a slashdot crowd might think , UNIX is n't exactly an elixir from the Gods .
UNIX , Microsoft Windows and Intel x86 are living proofs that the best / most innovative technology does n't necessarily have to win .
Check Out : http : //www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite what many a slashdot crowd might think, UNIX isn't exactly an elixir from the Gods.
UNIX, Microsoft Windows and Intel x86 are living proofs that the best / most innovative technology doesn't necessarily have to win.
Check Out: http://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299397</id>
	<title>What an odd thought</title>
	<author>Akir</author>
	<datestamp>1244711700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"... the actual artifacts of early Unix development were in danger of being lost forever."</i> <br> <br> <br>


That's odd. I seem to have had copies of Unix versions 1-5 on my computer for quite a while. And I'm not talking about UNIX system V SVR blah blah. I had some (there was a lot, it could have been all of it, but I didn't look too far into it) of the source code too.<br> <br>

This was at least a year or two back, when I was interested in the origins of UNIX, when I was simulating the PDP with SIMH. Complicated computers they were.<br> <br>

Also note that I don't have any real links to AT&amp;T, Lucient Technologies, or Bell Labs. I do, however, have the internet and access to Google.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ... the actual artifacts of early Unix development were in danger of being lost forever .
" That 's odd .
I seem to have had copies of Unix versions 1-5 on my computer for quite a while .
And I 'm not talking about UNIX system V SVR blah blah .
I had some ( there was a lot , it could have been all of it , but I did n't look too far into it ) of the source code too .
This was at least a year or two back , when I was interested in the origins of UNIX , when I was simulating the PDP with SIMH .
Complicated computers they were .
Also note that I do n't have any real links to AT&amp;T , Lucient Technologies , or Bell Labs .
I do , however , have the internet and access to Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"... the actual artifacts of early Unix development were in danger of being lost forever.
"   


That's odd.
I seem to have had copies of Unix versions 1-5 on my computer for quite a while.
And I'm not talking about UNIX system V SVR blah blah.
I had some (there was a lot, it could have been all of it, but I didn't look too far into it) of the source code too.
This was at least a year or two back, when I was interested in the origins of UNIX, when I was simulating the PDP with SIMH.
Complicated computers they were.
Also note that I don't have any real links to AT&amp;T, Lucient Technologies, or Bell Labs.
I do, however, have the internet and access to Google.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28300741</id>
	<title>In contrast to the early pre NT Windows specimens</title>
	<author>binarylarry</author>
	<datestamp>1244716320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...which the CDC considers harmful to humans and has placed the two last known remaining copies at strategically placed bunkers in different parts of the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...which the CDC considers harmful to humans and has placed the two last known remaining copies at strategically placed bunkers in different parts of the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...which the CDC considers harmful to humans and has placed the two last known remaining copies at strategically placed bunkers in different parts of the US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297943</id>
	<title>History is history</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1244749800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there really any useful purpose to decoding Sumerian clay tablets, or analysing dockyard records from the 18th Century? One of the things that differentiates civilised human beings from all other living things on this planet is that we study history and preserve things from the past. Perhaps it just doesn't need justification, it is part of what we are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there really any useful purpose to decoding Sumerian clay tablets , or analysing dockyard records from the 18th Century ?
One of the things that differentiates civilised human beings from all other living things on this planet is that we study history and preserve things from the past .
Perhaps it just does n't need justification , it is part of what we are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there really any useful purpose to decoding Sumerian clay tablets, or analysing dockyard records from the 18th Century?
One of the things that differentiates civilised human beings from all other living things on this planet is that we study history and preserve things from the past.
Perhaps it just doesn't need justification, it is part of what we are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297657</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1244748720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only if you care about history <i>and</i> the future. If you only care about the present, like a greedy selfish bastard, then no.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only if you care about history and the future .
If you only care about the present , like a greedy selfish bastard , then no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only if you care about history and the future.
If you only care about the present, like a greedy selfish bastard, then no.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28303541</id>
	<title>keep regressing</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1244733900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, all these OS' lead back to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley\_Timesharing\_System" title="wikipedia.org">Berkeley Timesharing System (1964)</a> [wikipedia.org]. So do many of the relevant people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , all these OS ' lead back to the Berkeley Timesharing System ( 1964 ) [ wikipedia.org ] .
So do many of the relevant people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, all these OS' lead back to the Berkeley Timesharing System (1964) [wikipedia.org].
So do many of the relevant people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299657</id>
	<title>Re:Which "Unix" are they talking about?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244712660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's say they're talking about "vanilla."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's say they 're talking about " vanilla .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's say they're talking about "vanilla.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28305443</id>
	<title>Re:Worse is better</title>
	<author>uiuyhn8i8</author>
	<datestamp>1244800560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;UNIX isn't exactly an elixir from the Gods</p><p>I absolutely beg to differ. Although the general unix design isn't bleeding edge in any form it is a very good design that has survived for forty years and is still going strong. That IS a mark of excellence. I say Unix, C, emacs and latex has the same qualities together with ethernet and tcp/ip which are the all time greats in computing. Any good programmer can design something that works now. It takes a really great programmer to design something that can work for FOUR DECADES.</p><p>We stand on the shoulders of giants and we owe it to them to preserve our common first footsteps in the sand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; UNIX is n't exactly an elixir from the GodsI absolutely beg to differ .
Although the general unix design is n't bleeding edge in any form it is a very good design that has survived for forty years and is still going strong .
That IS a mark of excellence .
I say Unix , C , emacs and latex has the same qualities together with ethernet and tcp/ip which are the all time greats in computing .
Any good programmer can design something that works now .
It takes a really great programmer to design something that can work for FOUR DECADES.We stand on the shoulders of giants and we owe it to them to preserve our common first footsteps in the sand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;UNIX isn't exactly an elixir from the GodsI absolutely beg to differ.
Although the general unix design isn't bleeding edge in any form it is a very good design that has survived for forty years and is still going strong.
That IS a mark of excellence.
I say Unix, C, emacs and latex has the same qualities together with ethernet and tcp/ip which are the all time greats in computing.
Any good programmer can design something that works now.
It takes a really great programmer to design something that can work for FOUR DECADES.We stand on the shoulders of giants and we owe it to them to preserve our common first footsteps in the sand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298697</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>jdbausch</author>
	<datestamp>1244752500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up? Don't these guys have anything better to do?</p></div><p>yeah! FUCK HISTORY!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up ?
Do n't these guys have anything better to do ? yeah !
FUCK HISTORY !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up?
Don't these guys have anything better to do?yeah!
FUCK HISTORY!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28301371</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Kidbro</author>
	<datestamp>1244718840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up?</p></div></blockquote><p>No. There is nothing useful to be learned from history.<br>Close your eyes, put the pedal to the metal, and assume that whatever you're doing, it's the right thing, and that nobody has ever tried it before.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up ? No .
There is nothing useful to be learned from history.Close your eyes , put the pedal to the metal , and assume that whatever you 're doing , it 's the right thing , and that nobody has ever tried it before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up?No.
There is nothing useful to be learned from history.Close your eyes, put the pedal to the metal, and assume that whatever you're doing, it's the right thing, and that nobody has ever tried it before.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298687</id>
	<title>Re:SIMH</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1244752440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just set up a SIMH VAX machine last night running 4.3BSD-quasijarus, which is one purist's project to continue maintaining "pure" BSD Unix.</p><p>The project: <a href="http://ifctfvax.harhan.org/Quasijarus/" title="harhan.org">http://ifctfvax.harhan.org/Quasijarus/</a> [harhan.org]<br>How to get a SIMH VM set up: <a href="http://www.retrocomputinggeek.com/retrowiki/Install4.3BSDQuasijarus/" title="retrocomputinggeek.com">http://www.retrocomputinggeek.com/retrowiki/Install4.3BSDQuasijarus/</a> [retrocomputinggeek.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just set up a SIMH VAX machine last night running 4.3BSD-quasijarus , which is one purist 's project to continue maintaining " pure " BSD Unix.The project : http : //ifctfvax.harhan.org/Quasijarus/ [ harhan.org ] How to get a SIMH VM set up : http : //www.retrocomputinggeek.com/retrowiki/Install4.3BSDQuasijarus/ [ retrocomputinggeek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just set up a SIMH VAX machine last night running 4.3BSD-quasijarus, which is one purist's project to continue maintaining "pure" BSD Unix.The project: http://ifctfvax.harhan.org/Quasijarus/ [harhan.org]How to get a SIMH VM set up: http://www.retrocomputinggeek.com/retrowiki/Install4.3BSDQuasijarus/ [retrocomputinggeek.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28303401</id>
	<title>For geeks who wanna run 1st edition unix (pre-C)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244732280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FWIW, some friends and I managed to make a printout of PDP11/20 assembler of first edition unix into electronic form and get it running in an emulator last year:</p><p>http://code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FWIW , some friends and I managed to make a printout of PDP11/20 assembler of first edition unix into electronic form and get it running in an emulator last year : http : //code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FWIW, some friends and I managed to make a printout of PDP11/20 assembler of first edition unix into electronic form and get it running in an emulator last year:http://code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297987</id>
	<title>Careful...</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1244749920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Those that don't learn UNIX are doomed to reinvent it. Poorly.</p></div><p>
One may interpret that saying as someone trying to incite a Linux / BSD war.  We lost good men from both sides the last time that happened...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those that do n't learn UNIX are doomed to reinvent it .
Poorly . One may interpret that saying as someone trying to incite a Linux / BSD war .
We lost good men from both sides the last time that happened.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those that don't learn UNIX are doomed to reinvent it.
Poorly.
One may interpret that saying as someone trying to incite a Linux / BSD war.
We lost good men from both sides the last time that happened...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299057</id>
	<title>Run the real Curses text games!</title>
	<author>JasonStevens</author>
	<datestamp>1244753580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Absolutely you can play these!  And I'm not talking about 'ported' packages, and linux / BSD game stuff.  I'm talking the actual 4BSD stuff.

Check out SIMH, along with the TUHS archives, and you can run the real deal!

I've setup some pointers on running this here:
<a href="http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.0\_BSD" title="gunkies.org" rel="nofollow">http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.0\_BSD</a> [gunkies.org]
<a href="http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.2\_BSD" title="gunkies.org" rel="nofollow">http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.2\_BSD</a> [gunkies.org]
<a href="http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.3\_BSD" title="gunkies.org" rel="nofollow">http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.3\_BSD</a> [gunkies.org]

Of course curses didn't make it's appearence until 4.0BSD.  And TCP/IP in 4.2.. 4.3BSD was without a doubt the best.
And of course the guy who got it running has his pages, along with 'tape' images here:

<a href="http://zazie.tom-yam.or.jp/starunix/" title="tom-yam.or.jp" rel="nofollow">http://zazie.tom-yam.or.jp/starunix/</a> [tom-yam.or.jp]

And of course for windows users there is the ready to run packages here:

<a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">https://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42</a> [sourceforge.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely you can play these !
And I 'm not talking about 'ported ' packages , and linux / BSD game stuff .
I 'm talking the actual 4BSD stuff .
Check out SIMH , along with the TUHS archives , and you can run the real deal !
I 've setup some pointers on running this here : http : //gunkies.org/wiki/4.0 \ _BSD [ gunkies.org ] http : //gunkies.org/wiki/4.2 \ _BSD [ gunkies.org ] http : //gunkies.org/wiki/4.3 \ _BSD [ gunkies.org ] Of course curses did n't make it 's appearence until 4.0BSD .
And TCP/IP in 4.2.. 4.3BSD was without a doubt the best .
And of course the guy who got it running has his pages , along with 'tape ' images here : http : //zazie.tom-yam.or.jp/starunix/ [ tom-yam.or.jp ] And of course for windows users there is the ready to run packages here : https : //sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42 [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely you can play these!
And I'm not talking about 'ported' packages, and linux / BSD game stuff.
I'm talking the actual 4BSD stuff.
Check out SIMH, along with the TUHS archives, and you can run the real deal!
I've setup some pointers on running this here:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.0\_BSD [gunkies.org]
http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.2\_BSD [gunkies.org]
http://gunkies.org/wiki/4.3\_BSD [gunkies.org]

Of course curses didn't make it's appearence until 4.0BSD.
And TCP/IP in 4.2.. 4.3BSD was without a doubt the best.
And of course the guy who got it running has his pages, along with 'tape' images here:

http://zazie.tom-yam.or.jp/starunix/ [tom-yam.or.jp]

And of course for windows users there is the ready to run packages here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42 [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297609</id>
	<title>I do the same thing with used condoms</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244748540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>to each his own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>to each his own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to each his own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297795</id>
	<title>Worth saving..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244749260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to diminish Unix's importance, it is a link in the chain -- but what a link it is! When MS is bankrupt, Windoze won't fit onto a DVD and no affordable hardware will be able to run it, Unix will be here. I run FreeBSD on my desktop and still enjoy firing up my AT&amp;T 6300+ and playing with SVR2. Amazingly, the two computers, separated by more than 20 years, interact very nicely through a RS232 connection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to diminish Unix 's importance , it is a link in the chain -- but what a link it is !
When MS is bankrupt , Windoze wo n't fit onto a DVD and no affordable hardware will be able to run it , Unix will be here .
I run FreeBSD on my desktop and still enjoy firing up my AT&amp;T 6300 + and playing with SVR2 .
Amazingly , the two computers , separated by more than 20 years , interact very nicely through a RS232 connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to diminish Unix's importance, it is a link in the chain -- but what a link it is!
When MS is bankrupt, Windoze won't fit onto a DVD and no affordable hardware will be able to run it, Unix will be here.
I run FreeBSD on my desktop and still enjoy firing up my AT&amp;T 6300+ and playing with SVR2.
Amazingly, the two computers, separated by more than 20 years, interact very nicely through a RS232 connection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298547</id>
	<title>Re:Why?  Why not?</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1244751900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up? Don't these guys have anything better to do?</p></div><p>I say, "Why not?"  It's interesting.  That's enough.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up ?
Do n't these guys have anything better to do ? I say , " Why not ?
" It 's interesting .
That 's enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there really any useful purpose to be served by dredging this up?
Don't these guys have anything better to do?I say, "Why not?
"  It's interesting.
That's enough.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28298107</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1244750280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As opposed to inventing it poorly the first time?</p><p>(Ignore me, I'm just your neighborhood young crotchety old man who hates all of at least the mainstream OSes with equal passion, though for different reasons each.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As opposed to inventing it poorly the first time ?
( Ignore me , I 'm just your neighborhood young crotchety old man who hates all of at least the mainstream OSes with equal passion , though for different reasons each .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As opposed to inventing it poorly the first time?
(Ignore me, I'm just your neighborhood young crotchety old man who hates all of at least the mainstream OSes with equal passion, though for different reasons each.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28300191</id>
	<title>Re:Worse is better</title>
	<author>sowth</author>
	<datestamp>1244714580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may be true, but Unix / Posix is the result of decades of research for such things as security and administration on real software systems. Much of it contains features requested by admins in hostile environments trying to run and protect their systems. It may not be new and innovative, but its model works for me. I haven't seen anything better from a practical standpoint. Obviously, this doesn't mean there can't be other types of systems. There is always more than one way of doing things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may be true , but Unix / Posix is the result of decades of research for such things as security and administration on real software systems .
Much of it contains features requested by admins in hostile environments trying to run and protect their systems .
It may not be new and innovative , but its model works for me .
I have n't seen anything better from a practical standpoint .
Obviously , this does n't mean there ca n't be other types of systems .
There is always more than one way of doing things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be true, but Unix / Posix is the result of decades of research for such things as security and administration on real software systems.
Much of it contains features requested by admins in hostile environments trying to run and protect their systems.
It may not be new and innovative, but its model works for me.
I haven't seen anything better from a practical standpoint.
Obviously, this doesn't mean there can't be other types of systems.
There is always more than one way of doing things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28297635</id>
	<title>Usenix attendees.....</title>
	<author>KingPin27</author>
	<datestamp>1244748660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> In a paper to be presented at next week's Usenix show, Warren Toomey of the Bond School of IT is expected to detail restoration work being done on four key Unix software artifacts all from the early 1970s</p><p><div class="quote"><p>
<b>Afterwards atendees will be ushered to the dining hall for a fine serving of raisins, prune juice, and Oxygen treatments.<b>
<br>
St. John's ambulance will also be on site to assist with attendees suffering with various age related ailments such as broken hips and arthritis.</b></b></p></div></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a paper to be presented at next week 's Usenix show , Warren Toomey of the Bond School of IT is expected to detail restoration work being done on four key Unix software artifacts all from the early 1970s Afterwards atendees will be ushered to the dining hall for a fine serving of raisins , prune juice , and Oxygen treatments .
St. John 's ambulance will also be on site to assist with attendees suffering with various age related ailments such as broken hips and arthritis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> In a paper to be presented at next week's Usenix show, Warren Toomey of the Bond School of IT is expected to detail restoration work being done on four key Unix software artifacts all from the early 1970s
Afterwards atendees will be ushered to the dining hall for a fine serving of raisins, prune juice, and Oxygen treatments.
St. John's ambulance will also be on site to assist with attendees suffering with various age related ailments such as broken hips and arthritis.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28299445</id>
	<title>In other news, who the hell cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>UNIX has evolved for a good reason.  Only an academic would find this pursuit to be a reasonable use of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>UNIX has evolved for a good reason .
Only an academic would find this pursuit to be a reasonable use of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>UNIX has evolved for a good reason.
Only an academic would find this pursuit to be a reasonable use of time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_181223.28301981</id>
	<title>Re:Usenix attendees.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244721660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's St John Ambulance (at least according to my uniform, my ID badge and their website at <a href="http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/" title="sja.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/</a> [sja.org.uk]), not St John's Ambulance

*pedant*</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's St John Ambulance ( at least according to my uniform , my ID badge and their website at http : //www.sja.org.uk/sja/ [ sja.org.uk ] ) , not St John 's Ambulance * pedant *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's St John Ambulance (at least according to my uniform, my ID badge and their website at http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/ [sja.org.uk]), not St John's Ambulance

*pedant*</sentencetext>
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