<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_10_1939247</id>
	<title>G.M. Opens Its Own Battery Research Laboratory</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244620800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/" rel="nofollow">Al</a> writes <i>"Bankrupt automaker G.M. has taken a significant step towards reinventing itself by <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/business/22772/">opening a battery laboratory in Michigan</a> on a site that once churned out internal combustion engines. The new facility lets G.M. engineers simulate all kinds of conditions to determine how long batteries will last once they're inside its vehicles. Battery packs are charged and discharged while being subjected to high and low temperatures as well as extremes of humidity. Engineers can also simulate different altitudes by placing the packs in barometric chambers. The facility has also been designed so that engineers located in New York and Germany and at the University of Michigan can perform experiments remotely. Despite its financial troubles, G.M. has committed to producing the Volt and is already working on second- and third-generation battery technology at the new lab."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Al writes " Bankrupt automaker G.M .
has taken a significant step towards reinventing itself by opening a battery laboratory in Michigan on a site that once churned out internal combustion engines .
The new facility lets G.M .
engineers simulate all kinds of conditions to determine how long batteries will last once they 're inside its vehicles .
Battery packs are charged and discharged while being subjected to high and low temperatures as well as extremes of humidity .
Engineers can also simulate different altitudes by placing the packs in barometric chambers .
The facility has also been designed so that engineers located in New York and Germany and at the University of Michigan can perform experiments remotely .
Despite its financial troubles , G.M .
has committed to producing the Volt and is already working on second- and third-generation battery technology at the new lab .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Al writes "Bankrupt automaker G.M.
has taken a significant step towards reinventing itself by opening a battery laboratory in Michigan on a site that once churned out internal combustion engines.
The new facility lets G.M.
engineers simulate all kinds of conditions to determine how long batteries will last once they're inside its vehicles.
Battery packs are charged and discharged while being subjected to high and low temperatures as well as extremes of humidity.
Engineers can also simulate different altitudes by placing the packs in barometric chambers.
The facility has also been designed so that engineers located in New York and Germany and at the University of Michigan can perform experiments remotely.
Despite its financial troubles, G.M.
has committed to producing the Volt and is already working on second- and third-generation battery technology at the new lab.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28288209</id>
	<title>Why not have GM go into the Battery lease Business</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244645160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you buy your EV car,  you don't OWN the battery,  you lease it for a small periodic fee.   GM would have to make it so these batteries can easily be removed and new ones replaced.  Not unlike a simple docking system.   You pull into a participating "gas" station,  now eventually could be called a "Battery Replacement" station.   A motorist pulls into station,   pays a small and reasonable "battery replacement" fee,  a new one is popped in,  and away they go.   The dead battery is then placed on a charger,  powered by wind,  Sun,  or even the Grid.</p><p>Station owners would have to arrange for even distribution of batteries throughout the network of Charging stations.   Look at http://betterplace.com for details on an outfit already doing this,  who already has a head start,  and lots of money to work with.</p><p>Car makers and Battery pack makers have to come up with a STANDARD docking system so ALL car makers can use the same configuration.</p><p>GM now leases these batteries to the car owner,  and also to the charging stations.   GM would also have to setup a battery reclamation service to take back used batteries,  renovate them (if possible) or dispose of them in a clean environmental way.</p><p>Not only that,  but enterprising individuals can also build coin operated charging stations,  place them in rest areas,   street parking,   company parking lots,   or anyplace where people need to park their cars.    They park their car,   go to a credit card or coin machine,  pick the space (or charge station number),  pay and plug in.</p><p>We need to start building up our infrastructure,  and phat cat investors should start investing in small enterprising individuals to start building them.   Engineering wise,  they are simple to build.   Power enters in through a metal conduit,  a coin or credit operated switch is then used to power an outlet.    Parker comes in,  plops in about $3 for 3 hours of charging time,   does their shopping,  and comes back to a fully charged "Volt" or whatever they plan to drive.</p><p>Someone needs to tell GM about this idea,  and get them to start thinking of helping build our renewable energy economy.</p><p>John</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you buy your EV car , you do n't OWN the battery , you lease it for a small periodic fee .
GM would have to make it so these batteries can easily be removed and new ones replaced .
Not unlike a simple docking system .
You pull into a participating " gas " station , now eventually could be called a " Battery Replacement " station .
A motorist pulls into station , pays a small and reasonable " battery replacement " fee , a new one is popped in , and away they go .
The dead battery is then placed on a charger , powered by wind , Sun , or even the Grid.Station owners would have to arrange for even distribution of batteries throughout the network of Charging stations .
Look at http : //betterplace.com for details on an outfit already doing this , who already has a head start , and lots of money to work with.Car makers and Battery pack makers have to come up with a STANDARD docking system so ALL car makers can use the same configuration.GM now leases these batteries to the car owner , and also to the charging stations .
GM would also have to setup a battery reclamation service to take back used batteries , renovate them ( if possible ) or dispose of them in a clean environmental way.Not only that , but enterprising individuals can also build coin operated charging stations , place them in rest areas , street parking , company parking lots , or anyplace where people need to park their cars .
They park their car , go to a credit card or coin machine , pick the space ( or charge station number ) , pay and plug in.We need to start building up our infrastructure , and phat cat investors should start investing in small enterprising individuals to start building them .
Engineering wise , they are simple to build .
Power enters in through a metal conduit , a coin or credit operated switch is then used to power an outlet .
Parker comes in , plops in about $ 3 for 3 hours of charging time , does their shopping , and comes back to a fully charged " Volt " or whatever they plan to drive.Someone needs to tell GM about this idea , and get them to start thinking of helping build our renewable energy economy.John</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you buy your EV car,  you don't OWN the battery,  you lease it for a small periodic fee.
GM would have to make it so these batteries can easily be removed and new ones replaced.
Not unlike a simple docking system.
You pull into a participating "gas" station,  now eventually could be called a "Battery Replacement" station.
A motorist pulls into station,   pays a small and reasonable "battery replacement" fee,  a new one is popped in,  and away they go.
The dead battery is then placed on a charger,  powered by wind,  Sun,  or even the Grid.Station owners would have to arrange for even distribution of batteries throughout the network of Charging stations.
Look at http://betterplace.com for details on an outfit already doing this,  who already has a head start,  and lots of money to work with.Car makers and Battery pack makers have to come up with a STANDARD docking system so ALL car makers can use the same configuration.GM now leases these batteries to the car owner,  and also to the charging stations.
GM would also have to setup a battery reclamation service to take back used batteries,  renovate them (if possible) or dispose of them in a clean environmental way.Not only that,  but enterprising individuals can also build coin operated charging stations,  place them in rest areas,   street parking,   company parking lots,   or anyplace where people need to park their cars.
They park their car,   go to a credit card or coin machine,  pick the space (or charge station number),  pay and plug in.We need to start building up our infrastructure,  and phat cat investors should start investing in small enterprising individuals to start building them.
Engineering wise,  they are simple to build.
Power enters in through a metal conduit,  a coin or credit operated switch is then used to power an outlet.
Parker comes in,  plops in about $3 for 3 hours of charging time,   does their shopping,  and comes back to a fully charged "Volt" or whatever they plan to drive.Someone needs to tell GM about this idea,  and get them to start thinking of helping build our renewable energy economy.John</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285153</id>
	<title>Re:Ultracapacitors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244627820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the fundamental difference between an ultracapacitor and a battery is that the ultracapacitor stores electric charge directly, while a battery stores charge in a reversible chemical reaction?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the fundamental difference between an ultracapacitor and a battery is that the ultracapacitor stores electric charge directly , while a battery stores charge in a reversible chemical reaction ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the fundamental difference between an ultracapacitor and a battery is that the ultracapacitor stores electric charge directly, while a battery stores charge in a reversible chemical reaction?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284347</id>
	<title>I never thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244624700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I'd own part of a battery research laboratory!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I 'd own part of a battery research laboratory !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I'd own part of a battery research laboratory!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286015</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>jae471</author>
	<datestamp>1244631120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The volt is not a hybrid.
<br>
The IC engine is decoupled from the drivetrain. You can put any power plant you want in, be it diesel, gasoline, LPG, Hydrogen fuel cell, gas turbine, solar cell, wind-up spring, water tank, hamster wheel<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... You just need something to spin the generator.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The volt is not a hybrid .
The IC engine is decoupled from the drivetrain .
You can put any power plant you want in , be it diesel , gasoline , LPG , Hydrogen fuel cell , gas turbine , solar cell , wind-up spring , water tank , hamster wheel ... You just need something to spin the generator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The volt is not a hybrid.
The IC engine is decoupled from the drivetrain.
You can put any power plant you want in, be it diesel, gasoline, LPG, Hydrogen fuel cell, gas turbine, solar cell, wind-up spring, water tank, hamster wheel ... You just need something to spin the generator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28290797</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>secondhand\_Buddah</author>
	<datestamp>1244715600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not entirely true. The EV1 project was more like a scaled down simulation of a large scale deployment. The fact that GM managed to recover some revenue through the leasing was a bonus.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not entirely true .
The EV1 project was more like a scaled down simulation of a large scale deployment .
The fact that GM managed to recover some revenue through the leasing was a bonus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not entirely true.
The EV1 project was more like a scaled down simulation of a large scale deployment.
The fact that GM managed to recover some revenue through the leasing was a bonus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286029</id>
	<title>Re:Financing?</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1244631120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except this was prbably budgeted and paid for 2 years ago.<br>The projects take time to get to this stage.</p><p>And what do you want them to do? not look at ways to innovate? lts see where that gets the workers and retirees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except this was prbably budgeted and paid for 2 years ago.The projects take time to get to this stage.And what do you want them to do ?
not look at ways to innovate ?
lts see where that gets the workers and retirees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except this was prbably budgeted and paid for 2 years ago.The projects take time to get to this stage.And what do you want them to do?
not look at ways to innovate?
lts see where that gets the workers and retirees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285769</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>TClevenger</author>
	<datestamp>1244630280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They looked at the EV-1 as a solution to a legislative (not economic) problem. Once they got California to back down on the zero emission requirement and bought federal laws that said noone could be more restrictive than California they figured there was little need to keep the program around. Since 51+\% of passenger vehicles sold were light trucks and SUV's I would say their reasoning was fairly sound.</p></div><p>Actually, that's not quite true.
</p><p>
The mandate came about because of the EV1.  GM showed California that an electric car was feasible, and California decided to start mandating manufacturers to produce them.  This caused GM to panic and do everything in their power to shut down the EV1 program.
</p><p>
Interesting, BTW, that GM is planning their own battery research facility.  One of the reasons the EV1 was so expensive was that GM's partially-owned subsidiary parts manufacturers (Delco and Delphi) insisted that they be allowed to develop and manufacture the parts of the car (controller, motor, batteries) that GM had already sourced elsewhere for much lower cost.  Rather than using better quality and cheaper batteries from elsewhere, the original EV1s came off the assembly line using essentially custom-built one-offs from GM's suppliers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They looked at the EV-1 as a solution to a legislative ( not economic ) problem .
Once they got California to back down on the zero emission requirement and bought federal laws that said noone could be more restrictive than California they figured there was little need to keep the program around .
Since 51 + \ % of passenger vehicles sold were light trucks and SUV 's I would say their reasoning was fairly sound.Actually , that 's not quite true .
The mandate came about because of the EV1 .
GM showed California that an electric car was feasible , and California decided to start mandating manufacturers to produce them .
This caused GM to panic and do everything in their power to shut down the EV1 program .
Interesting , BTW , that GM is planning their own battery research facility .
One of the reasons the EV1 was so expensive was that GM 's partially-owned subsidiary parts manufacturers ( Delco and Delphi ) insisted that they be allowed to develop and manufacture the parts of the car ( controller , motor , batteries ) that GM had already sourced elsewhere for much lower cost .
Rather than using better quality and cheaper batteries from elsewhere , the original EV1s came off the assembly line using essentially custom-built one-offs from GM 's suppliers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They looked at the EV-1 as a solution to a legislative (not economic) problem.
Once they got California to back down on the zero emission requirement and bought federal laws that said noone could be more restrictive than California they figured there was little need to keep the program around.
Since 51+\% of passenger vehicles sold were light trucks and SUV's I would say their reasoning was fairly sound.Actually, that's not quite true.
The mandate came about because of the EV1.
GM showed California that an electric car was feasible, and California decided to start mandating manufacturers to produce them.
This caused GM to panic and do everything in their power to shut down the EV1 program.
Interesting, BTW, that GM is planning their own battery research facility.
One of the reasons the EV1 was so expensive was that GM's partially-owned subsidiary parts manufacturers (Delco and Delphi) insisted that they be allowed to develop and manufacture the parts of the car (controller, motor, batteries) that GM had already sourced elsewhere for much lower cost.
Rather than using better quality and cheaper batteries from elsewhere, the original EV1s came off the assembly line using essentially custom-built one-offs from GM's suppliers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284303</id>
	<title>Too little too late</title>
	<author>Captain Splendid</author>
	<datestamp>1244624520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, they're back on the bleeding edge!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , they 're back on the bleeding edge !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, they're back on the bleeding edge!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287415</id>
	<title>Re:Ultracapacitors</title>
	<author>ksheff</author>
	<datestamp>1244639580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lead acid batteries may be dirty and nasty, but they are recyclable.  That's one reason auto parts stores will charge you a fee if you don't return the old one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lead acid batteries may be dirty and nasty , but they are recyclable .
That 's one reason auto parts stores will charge you a fee if you do n't return the old one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lead acid batteries may be dirty and nasty, but they are recyclable.
That's one reason auto parts stores will charge you a fee if you don't return the old one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287355</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>ksheff</author>
	<datestamp>1244639160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Clinton Administration gave the US domestic auto manufacturers funds for R&amp;D into fuel efficient vehicles too.  Combined with this funding running out and the California emissions requirements being relaxed, all of them pretty much dropped their electric vehicle pilot programs  to focus on what could make them lots of money.  Given that gasoline prices were at a low point, they could make a killing selling vehicles based on low-tech truck assemblies.  Toyota did too, but at least they kept working on fuel efficient vehicles for the US market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Clinton Administration gave the US domestic auto manufacturers funds for R&amp;D into fuel efficient vehicles too .
Combined with this funding running out and the California emissions requirements being relaxed , all of them pretty much dropped their electric vehicle pilot programs to focus on what could make them lots of money .
Given that gasoline prices were at a low point , they could make a killing selling vehicles based on low-tech truck assemblies .
Toyota did too , but at least they kept working on fuel efficient vehicles for the US market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Clinton Administration gave the US domestic auto manufacturers funds for R&amp;D into fuel efficient vehicles too.
Combined with this funding running out and the California emissions requirements being relaxed, all of them pretty much dropped their electric vehicle pilot programs  to focus on what could make them lots of money.
Given that gasoline prices were at a low point, they could make a killing selling vehicles based on low-tech truck assemblies.
Toyota did too, but at least they kept working on fuel efficient vehicles for the US market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287813</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1244642280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they were leasing it for far less than it cost them to build it. That is an even worse business plan than the one GM did follow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they were leasing it for far less than it cost them to build it .
That is an even worse business plan than the one GM did follow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they were leasing it for far less than it cost them to build it.
That is an even worse business plan than the one GM did follow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286281</id>
	<title>Re:Ultracapacitors</title>
	<author>alphajim</author>
	<datestamp>1244632380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Current Ultracaps can still be used.  They're used to "frontend" battery packs.  They work great at providing bursts of high current needed during acceleration because of low internal DC resistance.  Batteries hate having those loads thrown at them and they accelerate the cell decay.  By designing in ultracaps, you should be able to reduce the cell count (lower peak loads), and extend their service life (better managed charge/discharge patterns).  I don't know the economics of it though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Current Ultracaps can still be used .
They 're used to " frontend " battery packs .
They work great at providing bursts of high current needed during acceleration because of low internal DC resistance .
Batteries hate having those loads thrown at them and they accelerate the cell decay .
By designing in ultracaps , you should be able to reduce the cell count ( lower peak loads ) , and extend their service life ( better managed charge/discharge patterns ) .
I do n't know the economics of it though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Current Ultracaps can still be used.
They're used to "frontend" battery packs.
They work great at providing bursts of high current needed during acceleration because of low internal DC resistance.
Batteries hate having those loads thrown at them and they accelerate the cell decay.
By designing in ultracaps, you should be able to reduce the cell count (lower peak loads), and extend their service life (better managed charge/discharge patterns).
I don't know the economics of it though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285271</id>
	<title>Interesting business plan...</title>
	<author>stewbee</author>
	<datestamp>1244628300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would think that any company that is or headed toward bankruptcy would scale back on some of its R&amp;D. I understand you need some to stay competitive, but I would think that GM would use its time and money better by initially refocusing itself,its product line, cutting costs, etc. Once they have all that under control, then they could research newer technologies.
<br> <br>
I think that GM would do themselves a favor by focusing on only two main goals. Improve reliability and make more efficient combustion engines. I know that I personally will not buy a GM because of my own experience with a GM product[1]. They have the right idea here with reducing fuel costs by having the battery lab, but that is not their expertise. Combustion engines are their expertise, so why go into a divergent field? It is too risky for a company that is already on the edge of going out of business. In particular, I mention these two topics since it seems that is the main reason people buy Hondas for example.

<br> <br>
[1] The one year that I owned it (used with 44k miles when purchased) I had to take it to the shop 3 times to be fixed, each for different reasons (once an oxygen sensor, the next because of strange interlock between the gear shifter and pulling the key out of the ignition, and finally the transmission). This was only in 2004, btw.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think that any company that is or headed toward bankruptcy would scale back on some of its R&amp;D .
I understand you need some to stay competitive , but I would think that GM would use its time and money better by initially refocusing itself,its product line , cutting costs , etc .
Once they have all that under control , then they could research newer technologies .
I think that GM would do themselves a favor by focusing on only two main goals .
Improve reliability and make more efficient combustion engines .
I know that I personally will not buy a GM because of my own experience with a GM product [ 1 ] .
They have the right idea here with reducing fuel costs by having the battery lab , but that is not their expertise .
Combustion engines are their expertise , so why go into a divergent field ?
It is too risky for a company that is already on the edge of going out of business .
In particular , I mention these two topics since it seems that is the main reason people buy Hondas for example .
[ 1 ] The one year that I owned it ( used with 44k miles when purchased ) I had to take it to the shop 3 times to be fixed , each for different reasons ( once an oxygen sensor , the next because of strange interlock between the gear shifter and pulling the key out of the ignition , and finally the transmission ) .
This was only in 2004 , btw .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think that any company that is or headed toward bankruptcy would scale back on some of its R&amp;D.
I understand you need some to stay competitive, but I would think that GM would use its time and money better by initially refocusing itself,its product line, cutting costs, etc.
Once they have all that under control, then they could research newer technologies.
I think that GM would do themselves a favor by focusing on only two main goals.
Improve reliability and make more efficient combustion engines.
I know that I personally will not buy a GM because of my own experience with a GM product[1].
They have the right idea here with reducing fuel costs by having the battery lab, but that is not their expertise.
Combustion engines are their expertise, so why go into a divergent field?
It is too risky for a company that is already on the edge of going out of business.
In particular, I mention these two topics since it seems that is the main reason people buy Hondas for example.
[1] The one year that I owned it (used with 44k miles when purchased) I had to take it to the shop 3 times to be fixed, each for different reasons (once an oxygen sensor, the next because of strange interlock between the gear shifter and pulling the key out of the ignition, and finally the transmission).
This was only in 2004, btw.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287035</id>
	<title>The Volt is not a hybrid</title>
	<author>MikeMo</author>
	<datestamp>1244636700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The big difference between a hybrid and the Volt is that a hybrid's gasoline engine is hooked to the drive train, and is the primary means of locomotion.  The electric motor is used to enhance the gasoline engine, primarily by using energy captured during braking, to improve efficiency.
<p>The Volt is a pure electric vehicle.  The only means of propulsion is via the electric motor.  The gasoline engine is actually an electric generator, that runs at a single, highly-efficient RPM, and only runs when the battery runs low.  With a hybrid, you WILL use the gasoline engine once you reach a certain speed (which varies by model).  With the Volt, you may never use the gasoline engine at all, if you drive 40 miles or less, and you will recharge that battery at home from the grid.  </p><p>The big attraction of the 40 miles is that 80\% or more of the population of the U.S. commute that far or less for their workday.  Most of those folks will not use the gasoline engine during normal use.  BUT, the generator is there to extend the range of the vehicle whenever necessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big difference between a hybrid and the Volt is that a hybrid 's gasoline engine is hooked to the drive train , and is the primary means of locomotion .
The electric motor is used to enhance the gasoline engine , primarily by using energy captured during braking , to improve efficiency .
The Volt is a pure electric vehicle .
The only means of propulsion is via the electric motor .
The gasoline engine is actually an electric generator , that runs at a single , highly-efficient RPM , and only runs when the battery runs low .
With a hybrid , you WILL use the gasoline engine once you reach a certain speed ( which varies by model ) .
With the Volt , you may never use the gasoline engine at all , if you drive 40 miles or less , and you will recharge that battery at home from the grid .
The big attraction of the 40 miles is that 80 \ % or more of the population of the U.S. commute that far or less for their workday .
Most of those folks will not use the gasoline engine during normal use .
BUT , the generator is there to extend the range of the vehicle whenever necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big difference between a hybrid and the Volt is that a hybrid's gasoline engine is hooked to the drive train, and is the primary means of locomotion.
The electric motor is used to enhance the gasoline engine, primarily by using energy captured during braking, to improve efficiency.
The Volt is a pure electric vehicle.
The only means of propulsion is via the electric motor.
The gasoline engine is actually an electric generator, that runs at a single, highly-efficient RPM, and only runs when the battery runs low.
With a hybrid, you WILL use the gasoline engine once you reach a certain speed (which varies by model).
With the Volt, you may never use the gasoline engine at all, if you drive 40 miles or less, and you will recharge that battery at home from the grid.
The big attraction of the 40 miles is that 80\% or more of the population of the U.S. commute that far or less for their workday.
Most of those folks will not use the gasoline engine during normal use.
BUT, the generator is there to extend the range of the vehicle whenever necessary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285977</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1244631000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>40 miles on a charge means I would seldom burn fuels.<br>I drive less then 30 a day, me wife drive less then 15.</p><p>The occasional trip[ to the coast and camping are the exceptions.</p><p>Look at any base price 35K acr and compar to the base price 50(58) K car and you will see a similar jump in quality.</p><p>Of course, if the idea is to reduce admission, then you really need a 15K car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>40 miles on a charge means I would seldom burn fuels.I drive less then 30 a day , me wife drive less then 15.The occasional trip [ to the coast and camping are the exceptions.Look at any base price 35K acr and compar to the base price 50 ( 58 ) K car and you will see a similar jump in quality.Of course , if the idea is to reduce admission , then you really need a 15K car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>40 miles on a charge means I would seldom burn fuels.I drive less then 30 a day, me wife drive less then 15.The occasional trip[ to the coast and camping are the exceptions.Look at any base price 35K acr and compar to the base price 50(58) K car and you will see a similar jump in quality.Of course, if the idea is to reduce admission, then you really need a 15K car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284345</id>
	<title>Significant step towards reinventing GM...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244624700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Bankrupt automaker G.M. has taken a significant step towards reinventing itself by opening a battery laboratory in Michigan</p></div><p>I've never been a fan of smilies or sarcasm symbols but for the first time I feel I see the need for them. This was joke, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bankrupt automaker G.M .
has taken a significant step towards reinventing itself by opening a battery laboratory in MichiganI 've never been a fan of smilies or sarcasm symbols but for the first time I feel I see the need for them .
This was joke , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bankrupt automaker G.M.
has taken a significant step towards reinventing itself by opening a battery laboratory in MichiganI've never been a fan of smilies or sarcasm symbols but for the first time I feel I see the need for them.
This was joke, right?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287887</id>
	<title>They Already HAD a Battery Tech that worked</title>
	<author>cc\_pirate</author>
	<datestamp>1244642700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And they sold it to Exxon Mobil, who buried it and laughed all the way back to their oilfields.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And they sold it to Exxon Mobil , who buried it and laughed all the way back to their oilfields .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And they sold it to Exxon Mobil, who buried it and laughed all the way back to their oilfields.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284723</id>
	<title>Boycott Government Motors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244626140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares.. until they are no longer owned by the Federal Government and the UAW - I won't be buying anything from them.</p><p>The same goes for GE as it tries to use it's MSNBC network to convince the world to put in public policies that will benefit GEs bottom line.</p><p>E.g Cap and Trade, Single Payer Nationalized Healthcare, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares.. until they are no longer owned by the Federal Government and the UAW - I wo n't be buying anything from them.The same goes for GE as it tries to use it 's MSNBC network to convince the world to put in public policies that will benefit GEs bottom line.E.g Cap and Trade , Single Payer Nationalized Healthcare , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares.. until they are no longer owned by the Federal Government and the UAW - I won't be buying anything from them.The same goes for GE as it tries to use it's MSNBC network to convince the world to put in public policies that will benefit GEs bottom line.E.g Cap and Trade, Single Payer Nationalized Healthcare, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286857</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>jeff4747</author>
	<datestamp>1244635680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Sure it was a money loser, but had they kept that line of cars around in limited production they could have worked out all sorts of problems with mass producing electric cars</p></div></blockquote><p>Um....notsomuch.</p><p>For example, the EV-1 couldn't be driven anywhere that gets cold in the winter.  Hence it was only available in Southern California and Arizona.  It was not a vehicle that was ready for "prime time".  It only came to market due to CA's emissions laws.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure it was a money loser , but had they kept that line of cars around in limited production they could have worked out all sorts of problems with mass producing electric carsUm....notsomuch.For example , the EV-1 could n't be driven anywhere that gets cold in the winter .
Hence it was only available in Southern California and Arizona .
It was not a vehicle that was ready for " prime time " .
It only came to market due to CA 's emissions laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure it was a money loser, but had they kept that line of cars around in limited production they could have worked out all sorts of problems with mass producing electric carsUm....notsomuch.For example, the EV-1 couldn't be driven anywhere that gets cold in the winter.
Hence it was only available in Southern California and Arizona.
It was not a vehicle that was ready for "prime time".
It only came to market due to CA's emissions laws.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284601</id>
	<title>Stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244625660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another waste of resources for the inept fools at GM.<br>Electric cars are not viable. If we start to charge vehicles off the national grid, electricity will almost certainly loose its tax exempt status.<br>Prices would definitely rise to the point where electricity would become more expensive than hydrocarbon alternatives are projected to be in the future.<br>Also, generating capacity is already under pressure, batteries can not hold sufficient charge to travel useful distances (and there is little hope of significantly improving power density of current battery technologies).<br>Additionally, many new types of battery use scarce, expensive, and polluting to produce heavy metals, have massive total lifecycle production and disposal costs, and add massively to vehicle weight - particularly when combined with an auxiliary engine (eg. in a hybrid). They also pose thermal management problems, vehicle weight distribution problems, packaging problems, add substantial weight, and suffer from shorter than vehicle lifespan (ie. will need replaced within course of the life of the vehicle).<br>Anyone with no vested interests in electric cars can mock this foolish folly.<br>Ever wonder why GM is bankrupt? The inability to comprehend technical facts. American cars have always been terrible. Even Eastern Bloc countries produced better quality vehicles, albeit with considerably less character, and interior refinement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another waste of resources for the inept fools at GM.Electric cars are not viable .
If we start to charge vehicles off the national grid , electricity will almost certainly loose its tax exempt status.Prices would definitely rise to the point where electricity would become more expensive than hydrocarbon alternatives are projected to be in the future.Also , generating capacity is already under pressure , batteries can not hold sufficient charge to travel useful distances ( and there is little hope of significantly improving power density of current battery technologies ) .Additionally , many new types of battery use scarce , expensive , and polluting to produce heavy metals , have massive total lifecycle production and disposal costs , and add massively to vehicle weight - particularly when combined with an auxiliary engine ( eg .
in a hybrid ) .
They also pose thermal management problems , vehicle weight distribution problems , packaging problems , add substantial weight , and suffer from shorter than vehicle lifespan ( ie .
will need replaced within course of the life of the vehicle ) .Anyone with no vested interests in electric cars can mock this foolish folly.Ever wonder why GM is bankrupt ?
The inability to comprehend technical facts .
American cars have always been terrible .
Even Eastern Bloc countries produced better quality vehicles , albeit with considerably less character , and interior refinement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another waste of resources for the inept fools at GM.Electric cars are not viable.
If we start to charge vehicles off the national grid, electricity will almost certainly loose its tax exempt status.Prices would definitely rise to the point where electricity would become more expensive than hydrocarbon alternatives are projected to be in the future.Also, generating capacity is already under pressure, batteries can not hold sufficient charge to travel useful distances (and there is little hope of significantly improving power density of current battery technologies).Additionally, many new types of battery use scarce, expensive, and polluting to produce heavy metals, have massive total lifecycle production and disposal costs, and add massively to vehicle weight - particularly when combined with an auxiliary engine (eg.
in a hybrid).
They also pose thermal management problems, vehicle weight distribution problems, packaging problems, add substantial weight, and suffer from shorter than vehicle lifespan (ie.
will need replaced within course of the life of the vehicle).Anyone with no vested interests in electric cars can mock this foolish folly.Ever wonder why GM is bankrupt?
The inability to comprehend technical facts.
American cars have always been terrible.
Even Eastern Bloc countries produced better quality vehicles, albeit with considerably less character, and interior refinement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284371</id>
	<title>Oh really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244624820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like to make a safe bet that this research lab is going to be used exclusively to butter up Congress with tours for more bailout money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to make a safe bet that this research lab is going to be used exclusively to butter up Congress with tours for more bailout money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to make a safe bet that this research lab is going to be used exclusively to butter up Congress with tours for more bailout money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286633</id>
	<title>Re:I never thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244634480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry: If it ever turns a profit, you won't see any of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry : If it ever turns a profit , you wo n't see any of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry: If it ever turns a profit, you won't see any of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28288495</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>Johnny Mnemonic</author>
	<datestamp>1244647500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dismissed the Volt initially, too.  However, part of why they only get 40 miles on those batteries is because they don't let it discharge below 35\%, or charge above 85\%.  That lengthens the lifetime of the battery pack to 10 years.</p><p>So far, I haven't heard any other EV manufacturer claim that they can get 10  years out of their batteries.  I'm in love with the Aptera, but they are only saying 6 years now.</p><p>I would rather buy one $40K hybrid that uses EV for my commute once every 10 years than a $30K pure EV once every 6 years.  I'm looking forward to the final mtbf of the battery packs of the next generation of EV, but the Volt has a real selling point if it can get 10 years out of theirs and everybody else gets half of that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dismissed the Volt initially , too .
However , part of why they only get 40 miles on those batteries is because they do n't let it discharge below 35 \ % , or charge above 85 \ % .
That lengthens the lifetime of the battery pack to 10 years.So far , I have n't heard any other EV manufacturer claim that they can get 10 years out of their batteries .
I 'm in love with the Aptera , but they are only saying 6 years now.I would rather buy one $ 40K hybrid that uses EV for my commute once every 10 years than a $ 30K pure EV once every 6 years .
I 'm looking forward to the final mtbf of the battery packs of the next generation of EV , but the Volt has a real selling point if it can get 10 years out of theirs and everybody else gets half of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dismissed the Volt initially, too.
However, part of why they only get 40 miles on those batteries is because they don't let it discharge below 35\%, or charge above 85\%.
That lengthens the lifetime of the battery pack to 10 years.So far, I haven't heard any other EV manufacturer claim that they can get 10  years out of their batteries.
I'm in love with the Aptera, but they are only saying 6 years now.I would rather buy one $40K hybrid that uses EV for my commute once every 10 years than a $30K pure EV once every 6 years.
I'm looking forward to the final mtbf of the battery packs of the next generation of EV, but the Volt has a real selling point if it can get 10 years out of theirs and everybody else gets half of that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28289461</id>
	<title>Re:Financing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244656800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm workers being hurt because the company they worked at that has performed poorly for the past 40 years is still performing poorly? If they aren't the ones that should suffer for the poor performance of the company, I don't know who should. How can they not be at blame?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm workers being hurt because the company they worked at that has performed poorly for the past 40 years is still performing poorly ?
If they are n't the ones that should suffer for the poor performance of the company , I do n't know who should .
How can they not be at blame ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm workers being hurt because the company they worked at that has performed poorly for the past 40 years is still performing poorly?
If they aren't the ones that should suffer for the poor performance of the company, I don't know who should.
How can they not be at blame?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287681</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid</title>
	<author>rbarreira</author>
	<datestamp>1244641380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah because everyone knows that computers, phones etc etc. all got electricity to be so expensive, right?</p><p>Even if it was expensive, it would still be more ecological and enable the US to be more energy-independent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah because everyone knows that computers , phones etc etc .
all got electricity to be so expensive , right ? Even if it was expensive , it would still be more ecological and enable the US to be more energy-independent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah because everyone knows that computers, phones etc etc.
all got electricity to be so expensive, right?Even if it was expensive, it would still be more ecological and enable the US to be more energy-independent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284623</id>
	<title>Ultracapacitors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244625720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Batteries are a dirty, nasty hard to recycle oldschool technology that dies after a few 100 charges, or maybe a few thousand if you're lucky. More research into ultracaps is needed - using better nano-tech to increase the surface area, testing of ultracapacitor-based systems and that sort of thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Batteries are a dirty , nasty hard to recycle oldschool technology that dies after a few 100 charges , or maybe a few thousand if you 're lucky .
More research into ultracaps is needed - using better nano-tech to increase the surface area , testing of ultracapacitor-based systems and that sort of thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Batteries are a dirty, nasty hard to recycle oldschool technology that dies after a few 100 charges, or maybe a few thousand if you're lucky.
More research into ultracaps is needed - using better nano-tech to increase the surface area, testing of ultracapacitor-based systems and that sort of thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284525</id>
	<title>Next step for GM....</title>
	<author>Zibben</author>
	<datestamp>1244625300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>flying cars that fold up into suit-cases.

Seriously though it's good to see this happening, even if it took a bankrupcy to wake them up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>flying cars that fold up into suit-cases .
Seriously though it 's good to see this happening , even if it took a bankrupcy to wake them up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>flying cars that fold up into suit-cases.
Seriously though it's good to see this happening, even if it took a bankrupcy to wake them up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28290585</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt is not a hybrid</title>
	<author>guardia</author>
	<datestamp>1244712240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interesting, thanks for the explanation</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting , thanks for the explanation</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting, thanks for the explanation</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28288449</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting business plan...</title>
	<author>nausea\_malvarma</author>
	<datestamp>1244646960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Economically, they shouldn't be making new cars when they still haven't sold the ones they got. But this is different. Gm HAS to make these cars to stay on Obama's goodside.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Economically , they should n't be making new cars when they still have n't sold the ones they got .
But this is different .
Gm HAS to make these cars to stay on Obama 's goodside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Economically, they shouldn't be making new cars when they still haven't sold the ones they got.
But this is different.
Gm HAS to make these cars to stay on Obama's goodside.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285883</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>BoberFett</author>
	<datestamp>1244630640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Volt is nothing like current hybrids, and the Tesla is still as much a pipe dream as the Volt right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Volt is nothing like current hybrids , and the Tesla is still as much a pipe dream as the Volt right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Volt is nothing like current hybrids, and the Tesla is still as much a pipe dream as the Volt right now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28298773</id>
	<title>Death helps thinking</title>
	<author>r45d15</author>
	<datestamp>1244752740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are ppl who know/remember that GM back in the 90' teamed up with the oil companies (which paid GM a lotta money) and eagerly downplayed the value and possibilities of the electric cars, lobbied to kill them and they succeeded.
It turns out in the long run GM was playing against its own interests - the oil companies it teamed up with are doing fine and GM is bankrupt.
So eat what you deserve GM, short term profit and greed cost ya!
Maybe it's time to put customers first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are ppl who know/remember that GM back in the 90 ' teamed up with the oil companies ( which paid GM a lotta money ) and eagerly downplayed the value and possibilities of the electric cars , lobbied to kill them and they succeeded .
It turns out in the long run GM was playing against its own interests - the oil companies it teamed up with are doing fine and GM is bankrupt .
So eat what you deserve GM , short term profit and greed cost ya !
Maybe it 's time to put customers first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are ppl who know/remember that GM back in the 90' teamed up with the oil companies (which paid GM a lotta money) and eagerly downplayed the value and possibilities of the electric cars, lobbied to kill them and they succeeded.
It turns out in the long run GM was playing against its own interests - the oil companies it teamed up with are doing fine and GM is bankrupt.
So eat what you deserve GM, short term profit and greed cost ya!
Maybe it's time to put customers first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284675</id>
	<title>Re:Financing?</title>
	<author>Shooter28</author>
	<datestamp>1244625960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not entirely GM's fault, but then again they did allow some crazy things to be negotiated into contract with the UAW.
<br> <br>
Example: One of the benefits negotiated by the the United Auto Workers was the jobs bank program, under which laid-off members received 95 percent of their take-home pay and benefits.
<br> <br>
Not to mention the $70+ an hour they get when you factor in benefits, according to the NY Times.
<br> <br>
Source: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAW" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAW</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not entirely GM 's fault , but then again they did allow some crazy things to be negotiated into contract with the UAW .
Example : One of the benefits negotiated by the the United Auto Workers was the jobs bank program , under which laid-off members received 95 percent of their take-home pay and benefits .
Not to mention the $ 70 + an hour they get when you factor in benefits , according to the NY Times .
Source : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAW [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not entirely GM's fault, but then again they did allow some crazy things to be negotiated into contract with the UAW.
Example: One of the benefits negotiated by the the United Auto Workers was the jobs bank program, under which laid-off members received 95 percent of their take-home pay and benefits.
Not to mention the $70+ an hour they get when you factor in benefits, according to the NY Times.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAW [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28288005</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>caspper69</author>
	<datestamp>1244643600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, it's not.  The Volt has an all-electric drivetrain, 100\% of the time.  The gas engine is only used to re-charge the batteries.  The gas engine does NOT drive the vehicle, ever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it 's not .
The Volt has an all-electric drivetrain , 100 \ % of the time .
The gas engine is only used to re-charge the batteries .
The gas engine does NOT drive the vehicle , ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it's not.
The Volt has an all-electric drivetrain, 100\% of the time.
The gas engine is only used to re-charge the batteries.
The gas engine does NOT drive the vehicle, ever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287473</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244639880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Like, drive to a camp ground 150 miles away with no electricity, and be certain that I'll be able to get back home.</p></div></blockquote><p>Or if you are unfortunate to be without electrical power for a few weeks due to an ice storm or some other natural disaster.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like , drive to a camp ground 150 miles away with no electricity , and be certain that I 'll be able to get back home.Or if you are unfortunate to be without electrical power for a few weeks due to an ice storm or some other natural disaster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like, drive to a camp ground 150 miles away with no electricity, and be certain that I'll be able to get back home.Or if you are unfortunate to be without electrical power for a few weeks due to an ice storm or some other natural disaster.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284411</id>
	<title>One word</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1244624880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cobasys</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cobasys</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cobasys</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284425</id>
	<title>Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244624940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GM was so far ahead of everyone else with the EV1.  Sure it was a money loser, but had they kept that line of cars around in limited production they could have worked out all sorts of problems with mass producing electric cars and they would have owned all the patents and know how in the area for 20 years.  Instead, they killed the program, dumped all the IP they gained from it and went back to building SUV's and pickup trucks.</p><p>Insane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GM was so far ahead of everyone else with the EV1 .
Sure it was a money loser , but had they kept that line of cars around in limited production they could have worked out all sorts of problems with mass producing electric cars and they would have owned all the patents and know how in the area for 20 years .
Instead , they killed the program , dumped all the IP they gained from it and went back to building SUV 's and pickup trucks.Insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM was so far ahead of everyone else with the EV1.
Sure it was a money loser, but had they kept that line of cars around in limited production they could have worked out all sorts of problems with mass producing electric cars and they would have owned all the patents and know how in the area for 20 years.
Instead, they killed the program, dumped all the IP they gained from it and went back to building SUV's and pickup trucks.Insane.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286135</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244631540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's not innovative. It's the same crappy "hybrid" concept that every other auto maker has tried to push. </i></p><p>No it isn't all that innovative, but it's not the same as other hybrids at all.  As far as I know, it's the only in-line hybrid for consumer use that's in the pipe.  And that makes a big difference.  First, you can make your daily commute on pure electric power.  Second, since the only function of the gas engine is to charge the batteries, not provide power to the wheels, this means that it can be smaller, more efficient, and optimized to run at a fixed RPM which is highly advantageous for an ICE.</p><p>40 miles on pure electricity, with a gas tank that extends your range to as far as your typical car, gives you something that no other hybrid or EV can give you. Neither the Model S nor the Roadster have the range of a gas car, and the Prius won't get you out of your neighborhood before it starts burning gas.  If, like me, your usage model is short daily commutes and trips across town with occasional thousand-plus mile road trips, then this is an exceptional model and I'm pretty excited about it just from the design standpoint.</p><p><i>And at the nearly $40,000 price point, why bother buying it?</i></p><p>Now THAT is a big problem.  They really do need to get the price down, or it's just not going to look very appealing.  I sure won't jump on the bandwagon at that price.</p><p>I'd imagine one of the goals of the battery research facility would be to find ways to drive the price of batteries (the biggest cost) down.</p><p><i>The Model S doesn't even have a gasoline engine, goes over 7 times farther than the Volt on a single charge, can go from 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds, and looks a hell of a lot better than the Volt IMO.</i></p><p>7 times further, as in a measly 300 miles, then you have to stop and find a plug and wait 45 minutes.  Which don't get me wrong is cool and very good for a wide range of uses, but it's not going to let you go on road trips (even short ones like to the coast from where I live, forget driving back to visit family).  That's why the ICE-as-range-extension concept of the Volt is novel -- it basically makes the Volt a drop-in replacement for everything you used your car for today, except most of the time you don't need to use any gas.  Batteries may eventually let you do that, but not soon.</p><p>And yeah, electric motors have crap-loads of torque at 0 rpm, so they have rockin' 0-60 times.  I don't think Chevy has released any performance specs on the Volt, but I'd be surprised if it was a slouch in the quarter mile even if the Model S beats it.  Models S looks better too, I give you that.</p><p><i>If GM uses this new laboratory to produce cars with no gasoline engine (all electric), I'm on board.</i></p><p>Not me.  It simply wouldn't work for things I use my car for, or expect to be able to use it for.  Like, drive to a camp ground 150 miles away with no electricity, and be certain that I'll be able to get back home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not innovative .
It 's the same crappy " hybrid " concept that every other auto maker has tried to push .
No it is n't all that innovative , but it 's not the same as other hybrids at all .
As far as I know , it 's the only in-line hybrid for consumer use that 's in the pipe .
And that makes a big difference .
First , you can make your daily commute on pure electric power .
Second , since the only function of the gas engine is to charge the batteries , not provide power to the wheels , this means that it can be smaller , more efficient , and optimized to run at a fixed RPM which is highly advantageous for an ICE.40 miles on pure electricity , with a gas tank that extends your range to as far as your typical car , gives you something that no other hybrid or EV can give you .
Neither the Model S nor the Roadster have the range of a gas car , and the Prius wo n't get you out of your neighborhood before it starts burning gas .
If , like me , your usage model is short daily commutes and trips across town with occasional thousand-plus mile road trips , then this is an exceptional model and I 'm pretty excited about it just from the design standpoint.And at the nearly $ 40,000 price point , why bother buying it ? Now THAT is a big problem .
They really do need to get the price down , or it 's just not going to look very appealing .
I sure wo n't jump on the bandwagon at that price.I 'd imagine one of the goals of the battery research facility would be to find ways to drive the price of batteries ( the biggest cost ) down.The Model S does n't even have a gasoline engine , goes over 7 times farther than the Volt on a single charge , can go from 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds , and looks a hell of a lot better than the Volt IMO.7 times further , as in a measly 300 miles , then you have to stop and find a plug and wait 45 minutes .
Which do n't get me wrong is cool and very good for a wide range of uses , but it 's not going to let you go on road trips ( even short ones like to the coast from where I live , forget driving back to visit family ) .
That 's why the ICE-as-range-extension concept of the Volt is novel -- it basically makes the Volt a drop-in replacement for everything you used your car for today , except most of the time you do n't need to use any gas .
Batteries may eventually let you do that , but not soon.And yeah , electric motors have crap-loads of torque at 0 rpm , so they have rockin ' 0-60 times .
I do n't think Chevy has released any performance specs on the Volt , but I 'd be surprised if it was a slouch in the quarter mile even if the Model S beats it .
Models S looks better too , I give you that.If GM uses this new laboratory to produce cars with no gasoline engine ( all electric ) , I 'm on board.Not me .
It simply would n't work for things I use my car for , or expect to be able to use it for .
Like , drive to a camp ground 150 miles away with no electricity , and be certain that I 'll be able to get back home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not innovative.
It's the same crappy "hybrid" concept that every other auto maker has tried to push.
No it isn't all that innovative, but it's not the same as other hybrids at all.
As far as I know, it's the only in-line hybrid for consumer use that's in the pipe.
And that makes a big difference.
First, you can make your daily commute on pure electric power.
Second, since the only function of the gas engine is to charge the batteries, not provide power to the wheels, this means that it can be smaller, more efficient, and optimized to run at a fixed RPM which is highly advantageous for an ICE.40 miles on pure electricity, with a gas tank that extends your range to as far as your typical car, gives you something that no other hybrid or EV can give you.
Neither the Model S nor the Roadster have the range of a gas car, and the Prius won't get you out of your neighborhood before it starts burning gas.
If, like me, your usage model is short daily commutes and trips across town with occasional thousand-plus mile road trips, then this is an exceptional model and I'm pretty excited about it just from the design standpoint.And at the nearly $40,000 price point, why bother buying it?Now THAT is a big problem.
They really do need to get the price down, or it's just not going to look very appealing.
I sure won't jump on the bandwagon at that price.I'd imagine one of the goals of the battery research facility would be to find ways to drive the price of batteries (the biggest cost) down.The Model S doesn't even have a gasoline engine, goes over 7 times farther than the Volt on a single charge, can go from 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds, and looks a hell of a lot better than the Volt IMO.7 times further, as in a measly 300 miles, then you have to stop and find a plug and wait 45 minutes.
Which don't get me wrong is cool and very good for a wide range of uses, but it's not going to let you go on road trips (even short ones like to the coast from where I live, forget driving back to visit family).
That's why the ICE-as-range-extension concept of the Volt is novel -- it basically makes the Volt a drop-in replacement for everything you used your car for today, except most of the time you don't need to use any gas.
Batteries may eventually let you do that, but not soon.And yeah, electric motors have crap-loads of torque at 0 rpm, so they have rockin' 0-60 times.
I don't think Chevy has released any performance specs on the Volt, but I'd be surprised if it was a slouch in the quarter mile even if the Model S beats it.
Models S looks better too, I give you that.If GM uses this new laboratory to produce cars with no gasoline engine (all electric), I'm on board.Not me.
It simply wouldn't work for things I use my car for, or expect to be able to use it for.
Like, drive to a camp ground 150 miles away with no electricity, and be certain that I'll be able to get back home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284697</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1244626020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So instead of losing money on the EV1, they built other money losing cars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So instead of losing money on the EV1 , they built other money losing cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So instead of losing money on the EV1, they built other money losing cars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285159</id>
	<title>GM is doing something innovative?</title>
	<author>wilsoniya</author>
	<datestamp>1244627820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GM's new battery technology could be quite shocking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GM 's new battery technology could be quite shocking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM's new battery technology could be quite shocking.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285353</id>
	<title>Government Motors is investing in itself!</title>
	<author>elkto</author>
	<datestamp>1244628720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Government Motors is investing in itself<br>
I wonder if they are eligible for any tax credits.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Government Motors is investing in itself I wonder if they are eligible for any tax credits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Government Motors is investing in itself
I wonder if they are eligible for any tax credits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284585</id>
	<title>Re:I never thought...</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1244625540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're old enough I'm sure you did through the old AT&amp;T. Bell labs might as well have been publicly owned since it was created by government mandate and supported through backdoor taxes of monopoly pricing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're old enough I 'm sure you did through the old AT&amp;T .
Bell labs might as well have been publicly owned since it was created by government mandate and supported through backdoor taxes of monopoly pricing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're old enough I'm sure you did through the old AT&amp;T.
Bell labs might as well have been publicly owned since it was created by government mandate and supported through backdoor taxes of monopoly pricing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285321</id>
	<title>Re:Ultracapacitors</title>
	<author>Nautical Insanity</author>
	<datestamp>1244628540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm...what batteries are you referring to that are dirty, nasty, and hard-to-recycle? Lead-acid batteries, sure, I'll grant that. But that's not what is being proposed for electric cars.</p><p> This <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/tesla-electric-car-batteries-non-toxic-recycled.php" title="treehugger.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/tesla-electric-car-batteries-non-toxic-recycled.php</a> [treehugger.com] is closer to it.</p><p>
With regards to life, I recall hearing that the newest generation of lithium batteries last far more cycles than your laptop's battery, though I cannot provide a link at the moment.
</p><p>As for ultracapacitors, yes they're neat and could work. But the battery tech we have now is much closer to reality than our current ultracapacitor tech. Should ultracapacitors work out, we'll be grateful we started building the infrastructure to support our battery-powered cars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm...what batteries are you referring to that are dirty , nasty , and hard-to-recycle ?
Lead-acid batteries , sure , I 'll grant that .
But that 's not what is being proposed for electric cars .
This http : //www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/tesla-electric-car-batteries-non-toxic-recycled.php [ treehugger.com ] is closer to it .
With regards to life , I recall hearing that the newest generation of lithium batteries last far more cycles than your laptop 's battery , though I can not provide a link at the moment .
As for ultracapacitors , yes they 're neat and could work .
But the battery tech we have now is much closer to reality than our current ultracapacitor tech .
Should ultracapacitors work out , we 'll be grateful we started building the infrastructure to support our battery-powered cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm...what batteries are you referring to that are dirty, nasty, and hard-to-recycle?
Lead-acid batteries, sure, I'll grant that.
But that's not what is being proposed for electric cars.
This http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/tesla-electric-car-batteries-non-toxic-recycled.php [treehugger.com] is closer to it.
With regards to life, I recall hearing that the newest generation of lithium batteries last far more cycles than your laptop's battery, though I cannot provide a link at the moment.
As for ultracapacitors, yes they're neat and could work.
But the battery tech we have now is much closer to reality than our current ultracapacitor tech.
Should ultracapacitors work out, we'll be grateful we started building the infrastructure to support our battery-powered cars.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284707</id>
	<title>GM or USGov?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244626080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So is this a GM project or a US Government project? Will other auto manufacturers such as Ford be able to use the results of this research without paying an exorbitant licensing fee?</p><p>The blend of government and private business is going to cause problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So is this a GM project or a US Government project ?
Will other auto manufacturers such as Ford be able to use the results of this research without paying an exorbitant licensing fee ? The blend of government and private business is going to cause problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is this a GM project or a US Government project?
Will other auto manufacturers such as Ford be able to use the results of this research without paying an exorbitant licensing fee?The blend of government and private business is going to cause problems.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284667</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244625900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I heard that there was actually reasonable demand for the EV1. <br> <br>

Obligatory conspiracy theory <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who\_Killed\_the\_Electric\_Car\%3F" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">movie.</a> [wikipedia.org] I wouldn't mind the GM bailout if they devoted more research to hybrid and alternate-fuel vehicles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard that there was actually reasonable demand for the EV1 .
Obligatory conspiracy theory movie .
[ wikipedia.org ] I would n't mind the GM bailout if they devoted more research to hybrid and alternate-fuel vehicles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard that there was actually reasonable demand for the EV1.
Obligatory conspiracy theory movie.
[wikipedia.org] I wouldn't mind the GM bailout if they devoted more research to hybrid and alternate-fuel vehicles.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28288839</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not impressed...no need for research...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244650740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a story at "Seeking Alpha", Wang Chuanfu of BYD, the Chinese battery company that built the first plug-in hybrid, said that they are the only battery maker that has never had a recall. The famous exploding batteries were from Sony and it looks like they were manufactured in Japan.</p><p>Sorry to disappoint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a story at " Seeking Alpha " , Wang Chuanfu of BYD , the Chinese battery company that built the first plug-in hybrid , said that they are the only battery maker that has never had a recall .
The famous exploding batteries were from Sony and it looks like they were manufactured in Japan.Sorry to disappoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a story at "Seeking Alpha", Wang Chuanfu of BYD, the Chinese battery company that built the first plug-in hybrid, said that they are the only battery maker that has never had a recall.
The famous exploding batteries were from Sony and it looks like they were manufactured in Japan.Sorry to disappoint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285339</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>GodfatherofSoul</author>
	<datestamp>1244628600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd LOVE to have a Volt.  With a 40 mile range I'd practically NEVER need to buy gas with my driving habits.  Maybe after a night of bar hopping I'd hit 40, but my life revolves around a small area of town.  And, it still has a gas tank for my rare road trips around the country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd LOVE to have a Volt .
With a 40 mile range I 'd practically NEVER need to buy gas with my driving habits .
Maybe after a night of bar hopping I 'd hit 40 , but my life revolves around a small area of town .
And , it still has a gas tank for my rare road trips around the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd LOVE to have a Volt.
With a 40 mile range I'd practically NEVER need to buy gas with my driving habits.
Maybe after a night of bar hopping I'd hit 40, but my life revolves around a small area of town.
And, it still has a gas tank for my rare road trips around the country.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285183</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284803</id>
	<title>Re:Financing?</title>
	<author>JordanL</author>
	<datestamp>1244626440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They built this facility early this decade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They built this facility early this decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They built this facility early this decade.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284551</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284885</id>
	<title>Re:Next step for GM....</title>
	<author>Volante3192</author>
	<datestamp>1244626680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It took Q four suitcases to fit a gyrocopter in...although I suppose without the anti-air defenses we could shrink that to three...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It took Q four suitcases to fit a gyrocopter in...although I suppose without the anti-air defenses we could shrink that to three.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took Q four suitcases to fit a gyrocopter in...although I suppose without the anti-air defenses we could shrink that to three...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284525</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285183</id>
	<title>Not really that important...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244627940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>   I'm not seeing how this story or any other story about GM and their "Volt" is noteworthy. The Volt is not a marvel of engineering. It's not innovative. It's the same crappy "hybrid" concept that every other auto maker has tried to push. The Volt only goes 40 miles on a charge before rolling over to the gas engine. And at the nearly $40,000 price point, why bother buying it? If you spent a bit more money, you can buy a <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/models/index.php" title="teslamotors.com" rel="nofollow">Tesla Model S</a> [teslamotors.com], priced at about $50,000 (assuming you can get the rebate). The Model S doesn't even have a gasoline engine, goes over 7 times farther than the Volt on a single charge, can go from 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds, and looks a hell of a lot better than the Volt IMO.</p><p>If GM uses this new laboratory to produce cars with no gasoline engine (all electric), I'm on board. But if they use it to push this ridiculous Volt and other similar hybrids onto the market, it'll be just another waste of our taxpayer dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not seeing how this story or any other story about GM and their " Volt " is noteworthy .
The Volt is not a marvel of engineering .
It 's not innovative .
It 's the same crappy " hybrid " concept that every other auto maker has tried to push .
The Volt only goes 40 miles on a charge before rolling over to the gas engine .
And at the nearly $ 40,000 price point , why bother buying it ?
If you spent a bit more money , you can buy a Tesla Model S [ teslamotors.com ] , priced at about $ 50,000 ( assuming you can get the rebate ) .
The Model S does n't even have a gasoline engine , goes over 7 times farther than the Volt on a single charge , can go from 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds , and looks a hell of a lot better than the Volt IMO.If GM uses this new laboratory to produce cars with no gasoline engine ( all electric ) , I 'm on board .
But if they use it to push this ridiculous Volt and other similar hybrids onto the market , it 'll be just another waste of our taxpayer dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   I'm not seeing how this story or any other story about GM and their "Volt" is noteworthy.
The Volt is not a marvel of engineering.
It's not innovative.
It's the same crappy "hybrid" concept that every other auto maker has tried to push.
The Volt only goes 40 miles on a charge before rolling over to the gas engine.
And at the nearly $40,000 price point, why bother buying it?
If you spent a bit more money, you can buy a Tesla Model S [teslamotors.com], priced at about $50,000 (assuming you can get the rebate).
The Model S doesn't even have a gasoline engine, goes over 7 times farther than the Volt on a single charge, can go from 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds, and looks a hell of a lot better than the Volt IMO.If GM uses this new laboratory to produce cars with no gasoline engine (all electric), I'm on board.
But if they use it to push this ridiculous Volt and other similar hybrids onto the market, it'll be just another waste of our taxpayer dollars.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286787</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>Artifex</author>
	<datestamp>1244635200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd like to make a safe bet that this research lab is going to be used exclusively to butter up Congress with tours for more bailout money.</p></div><p>I suspect that, myself. GM already had at least one battery research facility; Charlie Rose was taken on a tour of it, LAST YEAR.</p><p><a href="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9226" title="charlierose.com">http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9226</a> [charlierose.com] (Part 1, or maybe it was in Part 2)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to make a safe bet that this research lab is going to be used exclusively to butter up Congress with tours for more bailout money.I suspect that , myself .
GM already had at least one battery research facility ; Charlie Rose was taken on a tour of it , LAST YEAR.http : //www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9226 [ charlierose.com ] ( Part 1 , or maybe it was in Part 2 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to make a safe bet that this research lab is going to be used exclusively to butter up Congress with tours for more bailout money.I suspect that, myself.
GM already had at least one battery research facility; Charlie Rose was taken on a tour of it, LAST YEAR.http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9226 [charlierose.com] (Part 1, or maybe it was in Part 2)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284371</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28296631</id>
	<title>Batteries</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1244745300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear God if they make batteries like they made cars you'll get a nice looking battery with lousy battery life and replacing a screw on the battery will run you $40 buck but you'll have to take it to the dealer to reset the Op Codes indicating you replaced the screw...</p><p>I can see it now, swap a batttery? Sorry $50 buck to plug in the Bear unit to reset the battery ID. No you can't take it to your local garage, battery codes are dealer only....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear God if they make batteries like they made cars you 'll get a nice looking battery with lousy battery life and replacing a screw on the battery will run you $ 40 buck but you 'll have to take it to the dealer to reset the Op Codes indicating you replaced the screw...I can see it now , swap a batttery ?
Sorry $ 50 buck to plug in the Bear unit to reset the battery ID .
No you ca n't take it to your local garage , battery codes are dealer only... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear God if they make batteries like they made cars you'll get a nice looking battery with lousy battery life and replacing a screw on the battery will run you $40 buck but you'll have to take it to the dealer to reset the Op Codes indicating you replaced the screw...I can see it now, swap a batttery?
Sorry $50 buck to plug in the Bear unit to reset the battery ID.
No you can't take it to your local garage, battery codes are dealer only....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284543</id>
	<title>Change I Can Believe In</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1244625420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obama will Eruo Jr. into the ground.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama will Eruo Jr. into the ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama will Eruo Jr. into the ground.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287661</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt is not a hybrid</title>
	<author>ksheff</author>
	<datestamp>1244641200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The terminology that I've seen is that the Volt is considered a series hybrid and vehicles such as the Prius are parallel hybrids.  The series hybrids are probably the less complex of the two arrangements.  How long have diesel electric locomotives been around?  A series hybrid is the same arrangement with a battery bank that allows the generator to be turned on or off when the battery charge reaches certain levels.  GM had similar series hybrid EV1 prototypes years ago, but they were axed along with the rest of the program.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The terminology that I 've seen is that the Volt is considered a series hybrid and vehicles such as the Prius are parallel hybrids .
The series hybrids are probably the less complex of the two arrangements .
How long have diesel electric locomotives been around ?
A series hybrid is the same arrangement with a battery bank that allows the generator to be turned on or off when the battery charge reaches certain levels .
GM had similar series hybrid EV1 prototypes years ago , but they were axed along with the rest of the program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terminology that I've seen is that the Volt is considered a series hybrid and vehicles such as the Prius are parallel hybrids.
The series hybrids are probably the less complex of the two arrangements.
How long have diesel electric locomotives been around?
A series hybrid is the same arrangement with a battery bank that allows the generator to be turned on or off when the battery charge reaches certain levels.
GM had similar series hybrid EV1 prototypes years ago, but they were axed along with the rest of the program.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287035</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287193</id>
	<title>So....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244637780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have bought GM cars since my first.  I will not buy a car from the new CGM (  Communist Government Motors ).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have bought GM cars since my first .
I will not buy a car from the new CGM ( Communist Government Motors ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have bought GM cars since my first.
I will not buy a car from the new CGM (  Communist Government Motors ).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287349</id>
	<title>Re:Not really that important...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244639100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it isn't the only inline electric in the pipeline.  Chrysler has a minivan, a sedan and a sportscar that are in the pipeline<br>(although, the sportscar may not have a gas generator).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it is n't the only inline electric in the pipeline .
Chrysler has a minivan , a sedan and a sportscar that are in the pipeline ( although , the sportscar may not have a gas generator ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it isn't the only inline electric in the pipeline.
Chrysler has a minivan, a sedan and a sportscar that are in the pipeline(although, the sportscar may not have a gas generator).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286135</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284533</id>
	<title>This lab has been there for years</title>
	<author>Mr.Zuka</author>
	<datestamp>1244625300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This lab has been there for some time.<br>I saw it on PBS comparing the old EV1 battery to the new Volt pack.<br>Apparently it was recorded in 2005.<br><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1046766/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1046766/</a> [imdb.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This lab has been there for some time.I saw it on PBS comparing the old EV1 battery to the new Volt pack.Apparently it was recorded in 2005.http : //www.imdb.com/title/tt1046766/ [ imdb.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This lab has been there for some time.I saw it on PBS comparing the old EV1 battery to the new Volt pack.Apparently it was recorded in 2005.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1046766/ [imdb.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28290909</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1244717760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Americans thought the EV-1 was a viable solution for the future, they're even more stupid than what we Europeans think.</p><p>The technology wouldn't have been cheap enough for mass production for the masses for many more years. They've come further now, with the VOLT, than what they would've been with EV-1!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Americans thought the EV-1 was a viable solution for the future , they 're even more stupid than what we Europeans think.The technology would n't have been cheap enough for mass production for the masses for many more years .
They 've come further now , with the VOLT , than what they would 've been with EV-1 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Americans thought the EV-1 was a viable solution for the future, they're even more stupid than what we Europeans think.The technology wouldn't have been cheap enough for mass production for the masses for many more years.
They've come further now, with the VOLT, than what they would've been with EV-1!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284637</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28322187</id>
	<title>Behind the box with the ark in it,....</title>
	<author>Banquo</author>
	<datestamp>1244885220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All they need to do is go to all the warehouses that have the battery/capacitor prototypes from the companies and individuals that they boughtout and shut down in an effort to keep all the $$'s rolling in from big oil. They can dust off all that research and already be ahead by 5 or 10 years.</p><p>There are too many "companies" involved in the infrastructure associated with all the potential fuel issues.<br>There won't be mass produced inexpensive fast/easy/cheap to charge cars for 20 years or more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All they need to do is go to all the warehouses that have the battery/capacitor prototypes from the companies and individuals that they boughtout and shut down in an effort to keep all the $ $ 's rolling in from big oil .
They can dust off all that research and already be ahead by 5 or 10 years.There are too many " companies " involved in the infrastructure associated with all the potential fuel issues.There wo n't be mass produced inexpensive fast/easy/cheap to charge cars for 20 years or more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they need to do is go to all the warehouses that have the battery/capacitor prototypes from the companies and individuals that they boughtout and shut down in an effort to keep all the $$'s rolling in from big oil.
They can dust off all that research and already be ahead by 5 or 10 years.There are too many "companies" involved in the infrastructure associated with all the potential fuel issues.There won't be mass produced inexpensive fast/easy/cheap to charge cars for 20 years or more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28285821</id>
	<title>Clearly, they started implementing this</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1244630520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>before the current melt down happens. These things can take a few year to get going.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>before the current melt down happens .
These things can take a few year to get going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>before the current melt down happens.
These things can take a few year to get going.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284637</id>
	<title>Re:Back to step 1.</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1244625780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>They looked at the EV-1 as a solution to a legislative (not economic) problem. Once they got California to back down on the zero emission requirement and bought federal laws that said noone could be more restrictive than California they figured there was little need to keep the program around. Since 51+\% of passenger vehicles sold were light trucks and SUV's I would say their reasoning was fairly sound.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They looked at the EV-1 as a solution to a legislative ( not economic ) problem .
Once they got California to back down on the zero emission requirement and bought federal laws that said noone could be more restrictive than California they figured there was little need to keep the program around .
Since 51 + \ % of passenger vehicles sold were light trucks and SUV 's I would say their reasoning was fairly sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They looked at the EV-1 as a solution to a legislative (not economic) problem.
Once they got California to back down on the zero emission requirement and bought federal laws that said noone could be more restrictive than California they figured there was little need to keep the program around.
Since 51+\% of passenger vehicles sold were light trucks and SUV's I would say their reasoning was fairly sound.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28287113</id>
	<title>Why reinvent the wheel?.?,?.?.?,?.?,.</title>
	<author>supermegadope</author>
	<datestamp>1244637180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are going to try to reinvent the wheel. Why not just got after best of breed? Thats what Fisker is doing when he partnered with Quantum Technologies on the Fisker Karma. Quantum Technologies is already partnered with GM on other projects. GM already owns a small stake in the company. If they dont act fast Fisker will take off and so will their chances of getting QTWW at bargain basement prices. But even the new GM is to big and will move way to slowly and will miss the boat again. In the meantime QTWW should skyrocket in the next few months as the Karma debut gets closer and new picks up on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are going to try to reinvent the wheel .
Why not just got after best of breed ?
Thats what Fisker is doing when he partnered with Quantum Technologies on the Fisker Karma .
Quantum Technologies is already partnered with GM on other projects .
GM already owns a small stake in the company .
If they dont act fast Fisker will take off and so will their chances of getting QTWW at bargain basement prices .
But even the new GM is to big and will move way to slowly and will miss the boat again .
In the meantime QTWW should skyrocket in the next few months as the Karma debut gets closer and new picks up on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are going to try to reinvent the wheel.
Why not just got after best of breed?
Thats what Fisker is doing when he partnered with Quantum Technologies on the Fisker Karma.
Quantum Technologies is already partnered with GM on other projects.
GM already owns a small stake in the company.
If they dont act fast Fisker will take off and so will their chances of getting QTWW at bargain basement prices.
But even the new GM is to big and will move way to slowly and will miss the boat again.
In the meantime QTWW should skyrocket in the next few months as the Karma debut gets closer and new picks up on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28288663</id>
	<title>Re:Too little too late</title>
	<author>lfp98</author>
	<datestamp>1244648940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At this point they are so far behind, it's hard to imagine GM or any American company will ever make money on electrics.  To be viable, the cars have got to be small, and Detroit (especially GM) has pretty much ceded production of even their own small car lines to foreign companies.  Plus, half the cost of those cars is the batteries, which will almost certainly be produced in China.  Though not given much attention by the media, the big breakthrough, LiFePO4 cells, has already been made and further improvements, at GM or elsewhere, will likely be only incremental.  China already has multiple companies in brutal competition mass-producing LiFePO4 cells.  Unlike the old lead-acids, they are light, stable and easily transported, so there's no reason not to make them in China where labor is cheap and technical know-how will soon surpass the US if it hasn't already.  In five years, a lot of electrics will be sold here, maybe even by GM, but they won't be made here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At this point they are so far behind , it 's hard to imagine GM or any American company will ever make money on electrics .
To be viable , the cars have got to be small , and Detroit ( especially GM ) has pretty much ceded production of even their own small car lines to foreign companies .
Plus , half the cost of those cars is the batteries , which will almost certainly be produced in China .
Though not given much attention by the media , the big breakthrough , LiFePO4 cells , has already been made and further improvements , at GM or elsewhere , will likely be only incremental .
China already has multiple companies in brutal competition mass-producing LiFePO4 cells .
Unlike the old lead-acids , they are light , stable and easily transported , so there 's no reason not to make them in China where labor is cheap and technical know-how will soon surpass the US if it has n't already .
In five years , a lot of electrics will be sold here , maybe even by GM , but they wo n't be made here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At this point they are so far behind, it's hard to imagine GM or any American company will ever make money on electrics.
To be viable, the cars have got to be small, and Detroit (especially GM) has pretty much ceded production of even their own small car lines to foreign companies.
Plus, half the cost of those cars is the batteries, which will almost certainly be produced in China.
Though not given much attention by the media, the big breakthrough, LiFePO4 cells, has already been made and further improvements, at GM or elsewhere, will likely be only incremental.
China already has multiple companies in brutal competition mass-producing LiFePO4 cells.
Unlike the old lead-acids, they are light, stable and easily transported, so there's no reason not to make them in China where labor is cheap and technical know-how will soon surpass the US if it hasn't already.
In five years, a lot of electrics will be sold here, maybe even by GM, but they won't be made here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284529</id>
	<title>I'm not impressed...no need for research...</title>
	<author>PalmKiller</author>
	<datestamp>1244625300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>China makes lithium batteries that can release large amounts of energy all at once...the fireballs are spectacular.</htmltext>
<tokenext>China makes lithium batteries that can release large amounts of energy all at once...the fireballs are spectacular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China makes lithium batteries that can release large amounts of energy all at once...the fireballs are spectacular.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28286007</id>
	<title>Re:Ultracapacitors</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1244631060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, because magic technology that doesn't exist in production will improve ultra capacitors and not batteries~</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because magic technology that does n't exist in production will improve ultra capacitors and not batteries ~</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because magic technology that doesn't exist in production will improve ultra capacitors and not batteries~</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284551</id>
	<title>Financing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244625420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can GM afford such an expensive, long-term research facility?  Oh, that's right: the money they saved by stiffing workers, pensioners, and their families in bankruptcy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can GM afford such an expensive , long-term research facility ?
Oh , that 's right : the money they saved by stiffing workers , pensioners , and their families in bankruptcy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can GM afford such an expensive, long-term research facility?
Oh, that's right: the money they saved by stiffing workers, pensioners, and their families in bankruptcy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_1939247.28284555</id>
	<title>Of course,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244625480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is what they came up with! <a href="http://www.upi.com/Business\_News/2009/05/31/Obama-GM-plan-is-viable/UPI-17921243823450/" title="upi.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.upi.com/Business\_News/2009/05/31/Obama-GM-plan-is-viable/UPI-17921243823450/</a> [upi.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what they came up with !
http : //www.upi.com/Business \ _News/2009/05/31/Obama-GM-plan-is-viable/UPI-17921243823450/ [ upi.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what they came up with!
http://www.upi.com/Business\_News/2009/05/31/Obama-GM-plan-is-viable/UPI-17921243823450/ [upi.com]</sentencetext>
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