<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_10_190206</id>
	<title>Dell To Offer Open Source Bundles</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244660880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ruphus13 writes <i>"Dell has been offering Linux-based machines for a while, especially its Server-class machines.  Now, Dell has decided that there are several open source applications that are ready for mainstream consumers.  From the post, 'While we've all been speculating about whether Dell is working on Android netbooks, the computer hardware and software vendor was busy <a href="http://ostatic.com/blog/dell-to-offer-open-source-app-bundles-for-smbs">bundling open source applications to offer to small- and medium-sized business customers</a> looking for low-cost alternatives to commercial software. The pre-configured "SMB-in-a-box" software is only available in the US for now, but Dell expects to launch a similar offering in Asia by the end of 2009... Although no specifics have been given about which apps are included in Dell's first bundle, it is aimed at the retail sector.' It is going to be interesting to see what Dell picks as the 'must-have' applications for the SMB market."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ruphus13 writes " Dell has been offering Linux-based machines for a while , especially its Server-class machines .
Now , Dell has decided that there are several open source applications that are ready for mainstream consumers .
From the post , 'While we 've all been speculating about whether Dell is working on Android netbooks , the computer hardware and software vendor was busy bundling open source applications to offer to small- and medium-sized business customers looking for low-cost alternatives to commercial software .
The pre-configured " SMB-in-a-box " software is only available in the US for now , but Dell expects to launch a similar offering in Asia by the end of 2009... Although no specifics have been given about which apps are included in Dell 's first bundle , it is aimed at the retail sector .
' It is going to be interesting to see what Dell picks as the 'must-have ' applications for the SMB market .
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<sentencetext>ruphus13 writes "Dell has been offering Linux-based machines for a while, especially its Server-class machines.
Now, Dell has decided that there are several open source applications that are ready for mainstream consumers.
From the post, 'While we've all been speculating about whether Dell is working on Android netbooks, the computer hardware and software vendor was busy bundling open source applications to offer to small- and medium-sized business customers looking for low-cost alternatives to commercial software.
The pre-configured "SMB-in-a-box" software is only available in the US for now, but Dell expects to launch a similar offering in Asia by the end of 2009... Although no specifics have been given about which apps are included in Dell's first bundle, it is aimed at the retail sector.
' It is going to be interesting to see what Dell picks as the 'must-have' applications for the SMB market.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28286391</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>Shooter28</author>
	<datestamp>1244633040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You make your wife sound like a pet or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You make your wife sound like a pet or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make your wife sound like a pet or something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283827</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283603</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244664960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Linux just isn't ready for the desktop yet. It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web, but the average computer user isn't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with, especially not when they already have a Windows machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation, as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother's basement somewhere. The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.</p></div><p>hmmm, interesting</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux just is n't ready for the desktop yet .
It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web , but the average computer user is n't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with , especially not when they already have a Windows machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation , as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother 's basement somewhere .
The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf ( haha ) providing me my OS.hmmm , interesting</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux just isn't ready for the desktop yet.
It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web, but the average computer user isn't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with, especially not when they already have a Windows machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation, as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother's basement somewhere.
The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.hmmm, interesting
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28285513</id>
	<title>Who wants to bet...</title>
	<author>tacarat</author>
	<datestamp>1244629440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... that the multi-year OEM contract for Dell and MS is about to come up for renegotiation.<br> <br>

<i>"Why thank you for coming Mr/Mrs Microsoft-Sales-Person.  We've had this interesting proposal where we have this free operating system to give out.  We only have to pay about half of our prior fees you recieved and we get to customize it so that our product stands out from your other customers... in a way you wouldn't allow before.  Tech support will be further outsourced to the internet support as those linux folks do love showing how smart they are (and most decent techs hit google first anyhow).  So... what do you have for us today?  Besides an unbalanced negotiation not in your favor?".<br> <br> </i>

It'll be interesting to see if Dell sees this through or drops it once MS meets their pricing demands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... that the multi-year OEM contract for Dell and MS is about to come up for renegotiation .
" Why thank you for coming Mr/Mrs Microsoft-Sales-Person .
We 've had this interesting proposal where we have this free operating system to give out .
We only have to pay about half of our prior fees you recieved and we get to customize it so that our product stands out from your other customers... in a way you would n't allow before .
Tech support will be further outsourced to the internet support as those linux folks do love showing how smart they are ( and most decent techs hit google first anyhow ) .
So... what do you have for us today ?
Besides an unbalanced negotiation not in your favor ? " .
It 'll be interesting to see if Dell sees this through or drops it once MS meets their pricing demands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... that the multi-year OEM contract for Dell and MS is about to come up for renegotiation.
"Why thank you for coming Mr/Mrs Microsoft-Sales-Person.
We've had this interesting proposal where we have this free operating system to give out.
We only have to pay about half of our prior fees you recieved and we get to customize it so that our product stands out from your other customers... in a way you wouldn't allow before.
Tech support will be further outsourced to the internet support as those linux folks do love showing how smart they are (and most decent techs hit google first anyhow).
So... what do you have for us today?
Besides an unbalanced negotiation not in your favor?".
It'll be interesting to see if Dell sees this through or drops it once MS meets their pricing demands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283819</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>TheMeuge</author>
	<datestamp>1244665740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I really want to know is why would someone spend their time posting this tired old drivel over and over... and over... and over again. It's not really going to work very well as astroturfing... and it's certainly not funny.</p><p>Ultimately, on the scale of what's "cool", pressing submit on the parent post is about as far below a "level 5 dwarf" as a "level 5 dwarf" is below a threesome with Jessica Alba and Scarlett Johansson.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I really want to know is why would someone spend their time posting this tired old drivel over and over... and over... and over again .
It 's not really going to work very well as astroturfing... and it 's certainly not funny.Ultimately , on the scale of what 's " cool " , pressing submit on the parent post is about as far below a " level 5 dwarf " as a " level 5 dwarf " is below a threesome with Jessica Alba and Scarlett Johansson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I really want to know is why would someone spend their time posting this tired old drivel over and over... and over... and over again.
It's not really going to work very well as astroturfing... and it's certainly not funny.Ultimately, on the scale of what's "cool", pressing submit on the parent post is about as far below a "level 5 dwarf" as a "level 5 dwarf" is below a threesome with Jessica Alba and Scarlett Johansson.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283575</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283883</id>
	<title>Sounds like my policy</title>
	<author>rwa2</author>
	<datestamp>1244666100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Less money on software = more money for hardware.  I can see how this can benefit Dell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Less money on software = more money for hardware .
I can see how this can benefit Dell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Less money on software = more money for hardware.
I can see how this can benefit Dell.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28288065</id>
	<title>Re:Another experiment</title>
	<author>FictionPimp</author>
	<datestamp>1244644080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cause dell would sell you hardware without setting up the drivers for you or making sure to select hardware that works with the OS they are selling you right?</p><p>When you buy a windows machine from dell do you have to install your wireless cards drivers? No dell does that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cause dell would sell you hardware without setting up the drivers for you or making sure to select hardware that works with the OS they are selling you right ? When you buy a windows machine from dell do you have to install your wireless cards drivers ?
No dell does that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cause dell would sell you hardware without setting up the drivers for you or making sure to select hardware that works with the OS they are selling you right?When you buy a windows machine from dell do you have to install your wireless cards drivers?
No dell does that for you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283601</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28291649</id>
	<title>Re:Retail sector?</title>
	<author>Ang31us</author>
	<datestamp>1244726940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I stumble across Piece Of Shit software all the time, both open and closed source.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I stumble across Piece Of Shit software all the time , both open and closed source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stumble across Piece Of Shit software all the time, both open and closed source.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283783</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28287293</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244638680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another time-traveler...</p><p>Keep playing with Windows 95. And don't forget to blow out the candle when you leave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another time-traveler...Keep playing with Windows 95 .
And do n't forget to blow out the candle when you leave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another time-traveler...Keep playing with Windows 95.
And don't forget to blow out the candle when you leave.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283575</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284867</id>
	<title>Open Source Apps, what Operating System ?</title>
	<author>Alain Williams</author>
	<datestamp>1244626680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't say what operating system these applications are going to work under. The immediate assumption is that it will be some kind of Linux based system -- in which case it would be more natural for them to have said RedHat/Suse/Debian/... -- but no, just ''open source applications''.<p>
I suspect that it could be Thunderbird, Firefox, Gimp, OpenOffice under MS Windows.</p><p>
Given the close relationship between Dell &amp; MS (read: Dell accepting MS money to decide what software it pushes on its hardware) I would not be surprised if the ''open source applications'' were things that did not really compete with MS offerings, eg: Gimp, pidgin, games,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and avoid competing with the MS cash cows that make up MS Office &amp; things like MS IE &amp; Outlook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't say what operating system these applications are going to work under .
The immediate assumption is that it will be some kind of Linux based system -- in which case it would be more natural for them to have said RedHat/Suse/Debian/... -- but no , just ''open source applications'' .
I suspect that it could be Thunderbird , Firefox , Gimp , OpenOffice under MS Windows .
Given the close relationship between Dell &amp; MS ( read : Dell accepting MS money to decide what software it pushes on its hardware ) I would not be surprised if the ''open source applications' ' were things that did not really compete with MS offerings , eg : Gimp , pidgin , games , ... and avoid competing with the MS cash cows that make up MS Office &amp; things like MS IE &amp; Outlook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't say what operating system these applications are going to work under.
The immediate assumption is that it will be some kind of Linux based system -- in which case it would be more natural for them to have said RedHat/Suse/Debian/... -- but no, just ''open source applications''.
I suspect that it could be Thunderbird, Firefox, Gimp, OpenOffice under MS Windows.
Given the close relationship between Dell &amp; MS (read: Dell accepting MS money to decide what software it pushes on its hardware) I would not be surprised if the ''open source applications'' were things that did not really compete with MS offerings, eg: Gimp, pidgin, games, ... and avoid competing with the MS cash cows that make up MS Office &amp; things like MS IE &amp; Outlook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28292461</id>
	<title>Re:Dell is full of crap</title>
	<author>pavithran</author>
	<datestamp>1244730540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They only have two PCs sold Ubuntu and two PCs sold with no OS - none of which are even halfway modern systems. It's almost like they don't want to make money from Linux users.
</p></div><p>In India dell is not offering many/no ubuntu options .
<a href="http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/results.aspx/notebooks?~ck=anav&amp;c=in&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=indhs1&amp;a=24534~0~190096&amp;navla=24534~0~190096" title="dell.com" rel="nofollow">Dell store India</a> [dell.com] shows 3 netbooks<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,all of them with "Genuine Windows&#194;&#174;  XP Home Edition"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(

There is a <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/ilugc-mirror/browse\_thread/thread/e9835e468bb29279/e44b03bad75671f0?hl=en&amp;lnk=gst&amp;q=netbook#e44b03bad75671f0" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">discussion</a> [google.com] in <a href="http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc" title="iitm.ac.in" rel="nofollow">chennai linux users group</a> [iitm.ac.in] regarding this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You'd almost think that some large monopoly was using them for a hand-puppet.</p></div><p>No need to guess<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They only have two PCs sold Ubuntu and two PCs sold with no OS - none of which are even halfway modern systems .
It 's almost like they do n't want to make money from Linux users .
In India dell is not offering many/no ubuntu options .
Dell store India [ dell.com ] shows 3 netbooks ,all of them with " Genuine Windows     XP Home Edition " : ( There is a discussion [ google.com ] in chennai linux users group [ iitm.ac.in ] regarding this .You 'd almost think that some large monopoly was using them for a hand-puppet.No need to guess : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They only have two PCs sold Ubuntu and two PCs sold with no OS - none of which are even halfway modern systems.
It's almost like they don't want to make money from Linux users.
In India dell is not offering many/no ubuntu options .
Dell store India [dell.com] shows 3 netbooks ,all of them with "Genuine WindowsÂ®  XP Home Edition" :(

There is a discussion [google.com] in chennai linux users group [iitm.ac.in] regarding this .You'd almost think that some large monopoly was using them for a hand-puppet.No need to guess :P
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28285827</id>
	<title>Re:Dell is full of crap</title>
	<author>cptnapalm</author>
	<datestamp>1244630520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've periodically checked the Dell site for the Ubuntu laptops and each time there were fewer options than there were the last time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've periodically checked the Dell site for the Ubuntu laptops and each time there were fewer options than there were the last time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've periodically checked the Dell site for the Ubuntu laptops and each time there were fewer options than there were the last time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284985</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283601</id>
	<title>Another experiment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244664960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That will utterly fail and prove how Linux sucks and isn't ready.<br> <br>Get a clue Dell, by pushing for Linux now when it's a pain to use you're just showing the entire world how much it sucks. The average user doesn't want to spend months learning how to use a CLI to cut their wireless card's firmware, they just want it to work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That will utterly fail and prove how Linux sucks and is n't ready .
Get a clue Dell , by pushing for Linux now when it 's a pain to use you 're just showing the entire world how much it sucks .
The average user does n't want to spend months learning how to use a CLI to cut their wireless card 's firmware , they just want it to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That will utterly fail and prove how Linux sucks and isn't ready.
Get a clue Dell, by pushing for Linux now when it's a pain to use you're just showing the entire world how much it sucks.
The average user doesn't want to spend months learning how to use a CLI to cut their wireless card's firmware, they just want it to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283541</id>
	<title>support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244664660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the money and the expense is in the support....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the money and the expense is in the support... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the money and the expense is in the support....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284725</id>
	<title>Re:Retail sector?</title>
	<author>hansamurai</author>
	<datestamp>1244626200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I don't know all the legality around this, but I can imagine rebranded binaries of OOo or Firefox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I do n't know all the legality around this , but I can imagine rebranded binaries of OOo or Firefox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I don't know all the legality around this, but I can imagine rebranded binaries of OOo or Firefox.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283783</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283783</id>
	<title>Retail sector?</title>
	<author>NineNine</author>
	<datestamp>1244665560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this means that they're going to offer bundles to retailers, I'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundle.  I've been looking for open source POS software for several years now, and there's really nothing out there for small to medium retailers out there that's even remotely competitive with stuff for Windows.  If they can find something decent, they'll take a huge share of the retail market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this means that they 're going to offer bundles to retailers , I 'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundle .
I 've been looking for open source POS software for several years now , and there 's really nothing out there for small to medium retailers out there that 's even remotely competitive with stuff for Windows .
If they can find something decent , they 'll take a huge share of the retail market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this means that they're going to offer bundles to retailers, I'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundle.
I've been looking for open source POS software for several years now, and there's really nothing out there for small to medium retailers out there that's even remotely competitive with stuff for Windows.
If they can find something decent, they'll take a huge share of the retail market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28289901</id>
	<title>Re:Retail sector?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244660880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would Linux fanboys be complaining about having to remove software on a system they don't use. Why don't you THINK before posting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would Linux fanboys be complaining about having to remove software on a system they do n't use .
Why do n't you THINK before posting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would Linux fanboys be complaining about having to remove software on a system they don't use.
Why don't you THINK before posting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284511</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284935</id>
	<title>Re:Retail sector?</title>
	<author>H0p313ss</author>
	<datestamp>1244626860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundle</p></div><p>You Linux fanboys are all alike!  When POS software comes bundled on a Windows box, you're all "I don't want AOL" and "Who the $&amp;!# is Netzero" or "Bonzi Buddy is stealing my identity" and you whine about having to "uninstall" it.  But as soon as it's on Linux you're all excited about it!</p></div><p>I'm sure that as long as the POS is not a POS everyone will be happy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundleYou Linux fanboys are all alike !
When POS software comes bundled on a Windows box , you 're all " I do n't want AOL " and " Who the $ &amp; ! # is Netzero " or " Bonzi Buddy is stealing my identity " and you whine about having to " uninstall " it .
But as soon as it 's on Linux you 're all excited about it ! I 'm sure that as long as the POS is not a POS everyone will be happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundleYou Linux fanboys are all alike!
When POS software comes bundled on a Windows box, you're all "I don't want AOL" and "Who the $&amp;!# is Netzero" or "Bonzi Buddy is stealing my identity" and you whine about having to "uninstall" it.
But as soon as it's on Linux you're all excited about it!I'm sure that as long as the POS is not a POS everyone will be happy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28289233</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>techno-vampire</author>
	<datestamp>1244654520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with</i> <p>
How...how...how...<i>Second Millennium!</i>  Either you haven't had anything to do with Linux for the last decade or so, or you're a Microsoft fanboi astroturfing FUD.  In either case, get back under your bridge, troll.  I have a billygoat, and I'm not afraid to use it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with How...how...how...Second Millennium !
Either you have n't had anything to do with Linux for the last decade or so , or you 're a Microsoft fanboi astroturfing FUD .
In either case , get back under your bridge , troll .
I have a billygoat , and I 'm not afraid to use it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with 
How...how...how...Second Millennium!
Either you haven't had anything to do with Linux for the last decade or so, or you're a Microsoft fanboi astroturfing FUD.
In either case, get back under your bridge, troll.
I have a billygoat, and I'm not afraid to use it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28296991</id>
	<title>Re:Retail sector?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244746560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe he was talking about software for operating a point-of-sale machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe he was talking about software for operating a point-of-sale machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe he was talking about software for operating a point-of-sale machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28320973</id>
	<title>Android would be awesome</title>
	<author>awarrenfells</author>
	<datestamp>1244917740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not a big fan of Dell's Tech support, but I have been buying their laptops for awhile anyways.  They have always done me well.  My latest purchase is a Dell Mini 9 with Ubuntu.  Absolutely love the machine.
<br> <br>
I find it a little amusing that a friend and I were discussing the very possibility of Google coming out with their own computer OS, and debating whether or not it would be a variant of Android, or something else they have been cooking up.  So, we are happy to see google talking about offering android as an OS alternative.
<br> <br>
I love linux, but I would be more than willing to give Android a try, as I have seen a lot of good things come out and through their phones.
<br> <br>
As far as OEMs offering equivalent open source programs on their machines in junction with windows OS, and in lieu of Micro$oft software, I think it would be a good move on their part, and hope to see them make the move in the near future.  I wonder if the EC antitrust suit would have any affect on this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a big fan of Dell 's Tech support , but I have been buying their laptops for awhile anyways .
They have always done me well .
My latest purchase is a Dell Mini 9 with Ubuntu .
Absolutely love the machine .
I find it a little amusing that a friend and I were discussing the very possibility of Google coming out with their own computer OS , and debating whether or not it would be a variant of Android , or something else they have been cooking up .
So , we are happy to see google talking about offering android as an OS alternative .
I love linux , but I would be more than willing to give Android a try , as I have seen a lot of good things come out and through their phones .
As far as OEMs offering equivalent open source programs on their machines in junction with windows OS , and in lieu of Micro $ oft software , I think it would be a good move on their part , and hope to see them make the move in the near future .
I wonder if the EC antitrust suit would have any affect on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a big fan of Dell's Tech support, but I have been buying their laptops for awhile anyways.
They have always done me well.
My latest purchase is a Dell Mini 9 with Ubuntu.
Absolutely love the machine.
I find it a little amusing that a friend and I were discussing the very possibility of Google coming out with their own computer OS, and debating whether or not it would be a variant of Android, or something else they have been cooking up.
So, we are happy to see google talking about offering android as an OS alternative.
I love linux, but I would be more than willing to give Android a try, as I have seen a lot of good things come out and through their phones.
As far as OEMs offering equivalent open source programs on their machines in junction with windows OS, and in lieu of Micro$oft software, I think it would be a good move on their part, and hope to see them make the move in the near future.
I wonder if the EC antitrust suit would have any affect on this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283575</id>
	<title>Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244664840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linux just isn't ready for the desktop yet. It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web, but the average computer user isn't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with, especially not when they already have a Windows machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation, as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother's basement somewhere. The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux just is n't ready for the desktop yet .
It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web , but the average computer user is n't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with , especially not when they already have a Windows machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation , as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother 's basement somewhere .
The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf ( haha ) providing me my OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux just isn't ready for the desktop yet.
It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web, but the average computer user isn't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with, especially not when they already have a Windows machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation, as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother's basement somewhere.
The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283633</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>Xentalion</author>
	<datestamp>1244665020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mod parent funny!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent funny !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent funny!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284985</id>
	<title>Dell is full of crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244627040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They only have two PCs sold Ubuntu and two PCs sold with no OS - none of which are even halfway modern systems. It's almost like they don't want to make money from Linux users. You'd almost think that some large monopoly was using them for a hand-puppet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They only have two PCs sold Ubuntu and two PCs sold with no OS - none of which are even halfway modern systems .
It 's almost like they do n't want to make money from Linux users .
You 'd almost think that some large monopoly was using them for a hand-puppet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They only have two PCs sold Ubuntu and two PCs sold with no OS - none of which are even halfway modern systems.
It's almost like they don't want to make money from Linux users.
You'd almost think that some large monopoly was using them for a hand-puppet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284413</id>
	<title>U.S. and Asia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244624880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...only available in the US for now, but Dell expects to lauch a similar offering in Asia...</p></div><p>Ahh, yes. It's good to see they're offering this in <i>both</i> of the world's countries.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...only available in the US for now , but Dell expects to lauch a similar offering in Asia...Ahh , yes .
It 's good to see they 're offering this in both of the world 's countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...only available in the US for now, but Dell expects to lauch a similar offering in Asia...Ahh, yes.
It's good to see they're offering this in both of the world's countries.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283609</id>
	<title>Hopefully they make good choices</title>
	<author>snl2587</author>
	<datestamp>1244664960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as the bundled software doesn't start to act like the ad-ridden "free" software that has come with any PC I've purchased in the last decade, I'll be happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as the bundled software does n't start to act like the ad-ridden " free " software that has come with any PC I 've purchased in the last decade , I 'll be happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as the bundled software doesn't start to act like the ad-ridden "free" software that has come with any PC I've purchased in the last decade, I'll be happy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283795</id>
	<title>Re:Another experiment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244665680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What kind of loser uses wireless in an SMB?</p><p>Nevermind the fact that this is an OEM solution. So you aren't going to have<br>such problems any more than you would with any Windows box where all of the<br>myriad drivers and little bits like DVD decoders are preinstalled.</p><p>Dell will smooth over the Linux problems just like they do the Windows problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of loser uses wireless in an SMB ? Nevermind the fact that this is an OEM solution .
So you are n't going to havesuch problems any more than you would with any Windows box where all of themyriad drivers and little bits like DVD decoders are preinstalled.Dell will smooth over the Linux problems just like they do the Windows problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of loser uses wireless in an SMB?Nevermind the fact that this is an OEM solution.
So you aren't going to havesuch problems any more than you would with any Windows box where all of themyriad drivers and little bits like DVD decoders are preinstalled.Dell will smooth over the Linux problems just like they do the Windows problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284863</id>
	<title>Re:Retail sector?</title>
	<author>cptnapalm</author>
	<datestamp>1244626620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought Windows was POS software</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Windows was POS software</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Windows was POS software</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284511</id>
	<title>Re:Retail sector?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244625240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundle</p></div><p>You Linux fanboys are all alike!  When POS software comes bundled on a Windows box, you're all "I don't want AOL" and "Who the $&amp;!# is Netzero" or "Bonzi Buddy is stealing my identity" and you whine about having to "uninstall" it.  But as soon as it's on Linux you're all excited about it!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundleYou Linux fanboys are all alike !
When POS software comes bundled on a Windows box , you 're all " I do n't want AOL " and " Who the $ &amp; ! # is Netzero " or " Bonzi Buddy is stealing my identity " and you whine about having to " uninstall " it .
But as soon as it 's on Linux you 're all excited about it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd really be interested in seeing what POS software they decide to bundleYou Linux fanboys are all alike!
When POS software comes bundled on a Windows box, you're all "I don't want AOL" and "Who the $&amp;!# is Netzero" or "Bonzi Buddy is stealing my identity" and you whine about having to "uninstall" it.
But as soon as it's on Linux you're all excited about it!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283539</id>
	<title>SMB != Samba</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244664660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>First I thought they are going to give Samba to the SMB crowd... Lame, I know<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>First I thought they are going to give Samba to the SMB crowd... Lame , I know : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First I thought they are going to give Samba to the SMB crowd... Lame, I know :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283873</id>
	<title>Heightist much?</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1244666040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.</p></div><p>What about a <a href="http://www.level3.com/" title="level3.com">level 3</a> [level3.com] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarfism" title="wikipedia.org">little person</a> [wikipedia.org] providing your business with an Internet connection?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf ( haha ) providing me my OS.What about a level 3 [ level3.com ] little person [ wikipedia.org ] providing your business with an Internet connection ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.What about a level 3 [level3.com] little person [wikipedia.org] providing your business with an Internet connection?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28290497</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244711160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Inkscape too</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Inkscape too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inkscape too</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283827</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>revjtanton</author>
	<datestamp>1244665800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmm...I disagree in part:</p><p>For most distro's Linux is far from being ready for the desktop for a variety of reasons.  Fedora 11 came out yesterday and it couldn't be more involved to get working (I still can't get the proper alsa drivers installed!...oh and dropping out to shell is for some reason impossible for me?) but the ever popular Ubuntu is just about ripe for the picking in business environments.</p><p>The learning curve to admin a Linux network may be fairly involved, but to just use it to process documents and surf the web (which is most desk jobs) there is <i>no</i> learning curve.  Example: my wife couldn't be more computer illiterate.  Her notebook has been on the fritz lately due to hardware issues so she's been back and forth between my netbook running Ubuntu and my desktop running Windows 7.  For someone who's only really used XP for the past couple of years she found each OS equally user friendly.  To be fair I'm using the Ubuntu Netbook Remix which has really big buttons that say exactly what a particular app is and does, but she still understands the basic Applications&gt;Internet&gt;Firefox.</p><p>That said I also understand there are more specialized applications that are better suited for Windows for certain professionals.  By no means is Linux a viable option for <i>every</i> situation, however the Ubuntu desktop option is certainly valid enough to be offered.  The learning curve for basic use is all but non-existent and over-stated.  If a small business can save $100 per PC for their receptionists and account executives by using Ubuntu and OpenOffice.org what is wrong with giving them the option?  I for one have respect for Dell for being this open minded<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>P.S. I've been playing with Edubuntu and Sugar (OLPC) on SD cards on my netbook for my 2-year-old and even SHE understands how to use it...to a certain extent....well she understands banging on the keyboard makes things happen.  Also she understands 'sudo give me ice cream' gets her a nice bowl of vanilla.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm...I disagree in part : For most distro 's Linux is far from being ready for the desktop for a variety of reasons .
Fedora 11 came out yesterday and it could n't be more involved to get working ( I still ca n't get the proper alsa drivers installed ! ...oh and dropping out to shell is for some reason impossible for me ?
) but the ever popular Ubuntu is just about ripe for the picking in business environments.The learning curve to admin a Linux network may be fairly involved , but to just use it to process documents and surf the web ( which is most desk jobs ) there is no learning curve .
Example : my wife could n't be more computer illiterate .
Her notebook has been on the fritz lately due to hardware issues so she 's been back and forth between my netbook running Ubuntu and my desktop running Windows 7 .
For someone who 's only really used XP for the past couple of years she found each OS equally user friendly .
To be fair I 'm using the Ubuntu Netbook Remix which has really big buttons that say exactly what a particular app is and does , but she still understands the basic Applications &gt; Internet &gt; Firefox.That said I also understand there are more specialized applications that are better suited for Windows for certain professionals .
By no means is Linux a viable option for every situation , however the Ubuntu desktop option is certainly valid enough to be offered .
The learning curve for basic use is all but non-existent and over-stated .
If a small business can save $ 100 per PC for their receptionists and account executives by using Ubuntu and OpenOffice.org what is wrong with giving them the option ?
I for one have respect for Dell for being this open minded : ) P.S .
I 've been playing with Edubuntu and Sugar ( OLPC ) on SD cards on my netbook for my 2-year-old and even SHE understands how to use it...to a certain extent....well she understands banging on the keyboard makes things happen .
Also she understands 'sudo give me ice cream ' gets her a nice bowl of vanilla .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm...I disagree in part:For most distro's Linux is far from being ready for the desktop for a variety of reasons.
Fedora 11 came out yesterday and it couldn't be more involved to get working (I still can't get the proper alsa drivers installed!...oh and dropping out to shell is for some reason impossible for me?
) but the ever popular Ubuntu is just about ripe for the picking in business environments.The learning curve to admin a Linux network may be fairly involved, but to just use it to process documents and surf the web (which is most desk jobs) there is no learning curve.
Example: my wife couldn't be more computer illiterate.
Her notebook has been on the fritz lately due to hardware issues so she's been back and forth between my netbook running Ubuntu and my desktop running Windows 7.
For someone who's only really used XP for the past couple of years she found each OS equally user friendly.
To be fair I'm using the Ubuntu Netbook Remix which has really big buttons that say exactly what a particular app is and does, but she still understands the basic Applications&gt;Internet&gt;Firefox.That said I also understand there are more specialized applications that are better suited for Windows for certain professionals.
By no means is Linux a viable option for every situation, however the Ubuntu desktop option is certainly valid enough to be offered.
The learning curve for basic use is all but non-existent and over-stated.
If a small business can save $100 per PC for their receptionists and account executives by using Ubuntu and OpenOffice.org what is wrong with giving them the option?
I for one have respect for Dell for being this open minded :)P.S.
I've been playing with Edubuntu and Sugar (OLPC) on SD cards on my netbook for my 2-year-old and even SHE understands how to use it...to a certain extent....well she understands banging on the keyboard makes things happen.
Also she understands 'sudo give me ice cream' gets her a nice bowl of vanilla.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28297459</id>
	<title>Re:Dell is full of crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244748000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BULL!  Rasputin, you're full of crap!</p><p>Right now if you go to Small &amp; Medium Business&gt;Desktops and choose the check box for FreeDOS and Linux under Operating System, you get THREE PAGES of PCs with about a dozen per page.  Oh and they DON'T sell with no OS per their agreements w/MS.</p><p>And for cptnapalm below, they currently offer 8 different choices under laptops.</p><p>Pure BS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BULL !
Rasputin , you 're full of crap ! Right now if you go to Small &amp; Medium Business &gt; Desktops and choose the check box for FreeDOS and Linux under Operating System , you get THREE PAGES of PCs with about a dozen per page .
Oh and they DO N'T sell with no OS per their agreements w/MS.And for cptnapalm below , they currently offer 8 different choices under laptops.Pure BS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BULL!
Rasputin, you're full of crap!Right now if you go to Small &amp; Medium Business&gt;Desktops and choose the check box for FreeDOS and Linux under Operating System, you get THREE PAGES of PCs with about a dozen per page.
Oh and they DON'T sell with no OS per their agreements w/MS.And for cptnapalm below, they currently offer 8 different choices under laptops.Pure BS!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28288399</id>
	<title>Can you smell the fear?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244646540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think just about every high and medium tier, and a lot of low tier ISV shops just simultaneously crapped their pants. There are tons of companies that offer office in a box server setups for companies that have neither the time or inclination to get IT right. Dell is now going after some low hanging fruit at the expense of their partners. Sure, the support will be outsourced to India as usual, but who can really compete at Dell scales, especially since this would be a one stop shopping and support experience for hardware and software?</p><p>Samba, Asterisk, some CMS, some Exchange email/calendar/groupware analog and you are most of the way there.</p><p>Sucks to be you, Fusion Systems.</p><p>PS - captcha is Ambushed, how appropriate...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think just about every high and medium tier , and a lot of low tier ISV shops just simultaneously crapped their pants .
There are tons of companies that offer office in a box server setups for companies that have neither the time or inclination to get IT right .
Dell is now going after some low hanging fruit at the expense of their partners .
Sure , the support will be outsourced to India as usual , but who can really compete at Dell scales , especially since this would be a one stop shopping and support experience for hardware and software ? Samba , Asterisk , some CMS , some Exchange email/calendar/groupware analog and you are most of the way there.Sucks to be you , Fusion Systems.PS - captcha is Ambushed , how appropriate.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think just about every high and medium tier, and a lot of low tier ISV shops just simultaneously crapped their pants.
There are tons of companies that offer office in a box server setups for companies that have neither the time or inclination to get IT right.
Dell is now going after some low hanging fruit at the expense of their partners.
Sure, the support will be outsourced to India as usual, but who can really compete at Dell scales, especially since this would be a one stop shopping and support experience for hardware and software?Samba, Asterisk, some CMS, some Exchange email/calendar/groupware analog and you are most of the way there.Sucks to be you, Fusion Systems.PS - captcha is Ambushed, how appropriate...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283607</id>
	<title>So, is this a Dell distro?</title>
	<author>mr\_mischief</author>
	<datestamp>1244664960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read TFA and also <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/060909-dell-bundling-open-source-applications.html" title="networkworld.com">TFA linked from TFA</a> [networkworld.com] (original sources, anyone?). I'm left wondering whether this is a new Dell distro of Linux, a package bundle on top of Linux or Windows, a package list for something like Kickstart or another automated OS installer, or a consulting and integration lineup with a preferred set of software.</p><p>With Dell talking about wanting to be a services company as much as a box-pusher and specifically mentioning training and support in TOFA, it wouldn't surprise me if this was a consulting group within the company. It's worded as if it's just a selection of software pre-installed, though, like they already do with crap bloatware and trialware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read TFA and also TFA linked from TFA [ networkworld.com ] ( original sources , anyone ? ) .
I 'm left wondering whether this is a new Dell distro of Linux , a package bundle on top of Linux or Windows , a package list for something like Kickstart or another automated OS installer , or a consulting and integration lineup with a preferred set of software.With Dell talking about wanting to be a services company as much as a box-pusher and specifically mentioning training and support in TOFA , it would n't surprise me if this was a consulting group within the company .
It 's worded as if it 's just a selection of software pre-installed , though , like they already do with crap bloatware and trialware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read TFA and also TFA linked from TFA [networkworld.com] (original sources, anyone?).
I'm left wondering whether this is a new Dell distro of Linux, a package bundle on top of Linux or Windows, a package list for something like Kickstart or another automated OS installer, or a consulting and integration lineup with a preferred set of software.With Dell talking about wanting to be a services company as much as a box-pusher and specifically mentioning training and support in TOFA, it wouldn't surprise me if this was a consulting group within the company.
It's worded as if it's just a selection of software pre-installed, though, like they already do with crap bloatware and trialware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283951</id>
	<title>Re:Another experiment</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1244666460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What kind of loser uses wireless in an SMB?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Well, for the "medium" sized businesses in SMB.... with the advent of 802.11n, wireless to your desktop is about as effective (if you've got decent gear) and frequently cheaper than stringing Ethernet cables and hooking them up to fancy switches. Or so <a href="http://www.arubanetworks.com/solutions/network\_rightsizing.php" title="arubanetworks.com">the marketing message</a> [arubanetworks.com] goes:</p><blockquote><div><p>A typical enterprise 48-port switch costs 3-5x more than an 802.11n AP, yet they support about the same number of devices in common usage. Annual wired costs are also several times higher for maintenance fees, moves/adds/changes, power, depreciation and hardware refresh. The difference is often thousands of dollars per year for every switch. Consequently, annual savings from rightsizing may well exceed the cost of a new pervasive 802.11n WLAN build out, thus achieving net budget savings in the first year.</p></div></blockquote><p>
But I work for these people; what do I know? *shrug*</p></div>
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<tokenext>What kind of loser uses wireless in an SMB ?
Well , for the " medium " sized businesses in SMB.... with the advent of 802.11n , wireless to your desktop is about as effective ( if you 've got decent gear ) and frequently cheaper than stringing Ethernet cables and hooking them up to fancy switches .
Or so the marketing message [ arubanetworks.com ] goes : A typical enterprise 48-port switch costs 3-5x more than an 802.11n AP , yet they support about the same number of devices in common usage .
Annual wired costs are also several times higher for maintenance fees , moves/adds/changes , power , depreciation and hardware refresh .
The difference is often thousands of dollars per year for every switch .
Consequently , annual savings from rightsizing may well exceed the cost of a new pervasive 802.11n WLAN build out , thus achieving net budget savings in the first year .
But I work for these people ; what do I know ?
* shrug *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of loser uses wireless in an SMB?
Well, for the "medium" sized businesses in SMB.... with the advent of 802.11n, wireless to your desktop is about as effective (if you've got decent gear) and frequently cheaper than stringing Ethernet cables and hooking them up to fancy switches.
Or so the marketing message [arubanetworks.com] goes:A typical enterprise 48-port switch costs 3-5x more than an 802.11n AP, yet they support about the same number of devices in common usage.
Annual wired costs are also several times higher for maintenance fees, moves/adds/changes, power, depreciation and hardware refresh.
The difference is often thousands of dollars per year for every switch.
Consequently, annual savings from rightsizing may well exceed the cost of a new pervasive 802.11n WLAN build out, thus achieving net budget savings in the first year.
But I work for these people; what do I know?
*shrug*
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283835</id>
	<title>Re:Another experiment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244665860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Were one not a raging troll, one might assume that Dell seems this as an obvious business opportunity. They get to choose what wireless cards go into their boxes and they can have engineers do whatever needs doing to the system images that they ship(plus, when you order as many wireless cards as Dell does, I suspect vendors are inclined to please you however they can).<br> <br>

If the default setup experience sucks, that is Dell's cue to fix that and provide the fix as a value add on their systems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Were one not a raging troll , one might assume that Dell seems this as an obvious business opportunity .
They get to choose what wireless cards go into their boxes and they can have engineers do whatever needs doing to the system images that they ship ( plus , when you order as many wireless cards as Dell does , I suspect vendors are inclined to please you however they can ) .
If the default setup experience sucks , that is Dell 's cue to fix that and provide the fix as a value add on their systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Were one not a raging troll, one might assume that Dell seems this as an obvious business opportunity.
They get to choose what wireless cards go into their boxes and they can have engineers do whatever needs doing to the system images that they ship(plus, when you order as many wireless cards as Dell does, I suspect vendors are inclined to please you however they can).
If the default setup experience sucks, that is Dell's cue to fix that and provide the fix as a value add on their systems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283601</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28285899</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>mwvdlee</author>
	<datestamp>1244630700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Stale old trolls aside, I would think Dell is more interested in putting OpenOffice and Firefox and GIMP on the Windows desktop than Linux.</p></div></blockquote><p>And why shouldn't they?<br>These applications work euqally well on both platforms, so the choice of platform is reduced to personal preference.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stale old trolls aside , I would think Dell is more interested in putting OpenOffice and Firefox and GIMP on the Windows desktop than Linux.And why should n't they ? These applications work euqally well on both platforms , so the choice of platform is reduced to personal preference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stale old trolls aside, I would think Dell is more interested in putting OpenOffice and Firefox and GIMP on the Windows desktop than Linux.And why shouldn't they?These applications work euqally well on both platforms, so the choice of platform is reduced to personal preference.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283651</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283671</id>
	<title>Well, Duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244665200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is going to be interesting to see what Dell picks as the 'must-have' applications for the SMB</p></div><p>Samba.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is going to be interesting to see what Dell picks as the 'must-have ' applications for the SMBSamba .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is going to be interesting to see what Dell picks as the 'must-have' applications for the SMBSamba.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28283651</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Move, Mr. Dell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244665080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stale old trolls aside, I would think Dell is more interested in putting OpenOffice and Firefox and GIMP on the Windows desktop than Linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stale old trolls aside , I would think Dell is more interested in putting OpenOffice and Firefox and GIMP on the Windows desktop than Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stale old trolls aside, I would think Dell is more interested in putting OpenOffice and Firefox and GIMP on the Windows desktop than Linux.</sentencetext>
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284863
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284935
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28284725
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28291649
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28285827
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28297459
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_10_190206.28292461
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