<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_09_1537218</id>
	<title>Fedora 11 Is Now Available</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244563260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>rexx mainframe writes <i>"<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora">Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent.</a>  Fedora 11 offers ext4, a 20-second startup, and the latest GNOME, KDE and XFCE releases. Firefox 3.5 and Thunderbird 3's latest pre-releases are available as well. Fedora 11 features Presto, a yum plugin that reduces bandwidth consumption drastically by downloading only binary differences between updates. It also features Openchange for interoperability with Microsoft Exchange. There are new security enhancements, improved and upgraded development tools, and cutting-edge features in areas such as virtualization."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>rexx mainframe writes " Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent .
Fedora 11 offers ext4 , a 20-second startup , and the latest GNOME , KDE and XFCE releases .
Firefox 3.5 and Thunderbird 3 's latest pre-releases are available as well .
Fedora 11 features Presto , a yum plugin that reduces bandwidth consumption drastically by downloading only binary differences between updates .
It also features Openchange for interoperability with Microsoft Exchange .
There are new security enhancements , improved and upgraded development tools , and cutting-edge features in areas such as virtualization .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>rexx mainframe writes "Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent.
Fedora 11 offers ext4, a 20-second startup, and the latest GNOME, KDE and XFCE releases.
Firefox 3.5 and Thunderbird 3's latest pre-releases are available as well.
Fedora 11 features Presto, a yum plugin that reduces bandwidth consumption drastically by downloading only binary differences between updates.
It also features Openchange for interoperability with Microsoft Exchange.
There are new security enhancements, improved and upgraded development tools, and cutting-edge features in areas such as virtualization.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28269797</id>
	<title>Meh...</title>
	<author>Murpster</author>
	<datestamp>1244577480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I began using Slackware back when the shiny new Linux kernel was 0.95a and used Slackware until about 1996 or early 1997 when I switched to RedHat. I was a huge fan of RedHat and the first few Fedoras, but with newer releases, they seem to be focusing on making a Winux system for dummies and put more effort into making snazzy looking desktop environments and writing clunky inefficient GUIs for simple systems tasks. The systems aren't as reliable as they used to be, you get all kinds of garbage dependencies and badly configured packages. I haven't put anything newer than FC8 on my home systems, but I installed Fedora 10 on a work system last year. I wash my hands of this crap. I don't know what distro I'll use next, but I'm not installing any flavor of RedHat again on any of my systems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I began using Slackware back when the shiny new Linux kernel was 0.95a and used Slackware until about 1996 or early 1997 when I switched to RedHat .
I was a huge fan of RedHat and the first few Fedoras , but with newer releases , they seem to be focusing on making a Winux system for dummies and put more effort into making snazzy looking desktop environments and writing clunky inefficient GUIs for simple systems tasks .
The systems are n't as reliable as they used to be , you get all kinds of garbage dependencies and badly configured packages .
I have n't put anything newer than FC8 on my home systems , but I installed Fedora 10 on a work system last year .
I wash my hands of this crap .
I do n't know what distro I 'll use next , but I 'm not installing any flavor of RedHat again on any of my systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I began using Slackware back when the shiny new Linux kernel was 0.95a and used Slackware until about 1996 or early 1997 when I switched to RedHat.
I was a huge fan of RedHat and the first few Fedoras, but with newer releases, they seem to be focusing on making a Winux system for dummies and put more effort into making snazzy looking desktop environments and writing clunky inefficient GUIs for simple systems tasks.
The systems aren't as reliable as they used to be, you get all kinds of garbage dependencies and badly configured packages.
I haven't put anything newer than FC8 on my home systems, but I installed Fedora 10 on a work system last year.
I wash my hands of this crap.
I don't know what distro I'll use next, but I'm not installing any flavor of RedHat again on any of my systems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28266919</id>
	<title>It's soo cutting edge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hurt myself trying to install it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hurt myself trying to install it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hurt myself trying to install it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267903</id>
	<title>What an immature release announcement!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244570820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-June/msg00006.html" title="redhat.com" rel="nofollow">release announcement</a> [redhat.com] is very unprofessional.</p><p>Since this release of Fedora will likely power RHEL 6, I was going to forward the release notice to my boss, to see if we could set up some evaluation servers. But then I saw how childish the announcement was, and felt too embarassed to promote Fedora.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The release announcement [ redhat.com ] is very unprofessional.Since this release of Fedora will likely power RHEL 6 , I was going to forward the release notice to my boss , to see if we could set up some evaluation servers .
But then I saw how childish the announcement was , and felt too embarassed to promote Fedora .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The release announcement [redhat.com] is very unprofessional.Since this release of Fedora will likely power RHEL 6, I was going to forward the release notice to my boss, to see if we could set up some evaluation servers.
But then I saw how childish the announcement was, and felt too embarassed to promote Fedora.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28269087</id>
	<title>3D acceleration for older ATI cards?</title>
	<author>tomaasz</author>
	<datestamp>1244575080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this include ATI drivers with decent 3D acceleration support for OLDER cards? Or does it at least offer the possibility to install those? I run into this issue with Ubuntu - the X server was so new that the drivers weren't available yet and my Radeon HD 2600 had no 3D OpenGL support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this include ATI drivers with decent 3D acceleration support for OLDER cards ?
Or does it at least offer the possibility to install those ?
I run into this issue with Ubuntu - the X server was so new that the drivers were n't available yet and my Radeon HD 2600 had no 3D OpenGL support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this include ATI drivers with decent 3D acceleration support for OLDER cards?
Or does it at least offer the possibility to install those?
I run into this issue with Ubuntu - the X server was so new that the drivers weren't available yet and my Radeon HD 2600 had no 3D OpenGL support.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267421</id>
	<title>Still?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>People still using Fedora? No, really.</htmltext>
<tokenext>People still using Fedora ?
No , really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People still using Fedora?
No, really.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28270245</id>
	<title>Re:take a screenshot tour</title>
	<author>H0p313ss</author>
	<datestamp>1244579280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora\_11\_Screenshot\_Tour" title="fedoraproject.org">Fedora 11 Screenshot Tour</a> [fedoraproject.org]</p> </div><p>So... just like Ubuntu only blueier. </p><p>Perhaps we could roll a new Ubuntu sub-project: Blubuntu</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora 11 Screenshot Tour [ fedoraproject.org ] So... just like Ubuntu only blueier .
Perhaps we could roll a new Ubuntu sub-project : Blubuntu</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Fedora 11 Screenshot Tour [fedoraproject.org] So... just like Ubuntu only blueier.
Perhaps we could roll a new Ubuntu sub-project: Blubuntu
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267239</id>
	<title>Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn pirates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn pirates.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28271389</id>
	<title>i586 version of fc11 serving the world . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244540940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no problemsinstalling on an AMD using preupgrade<br>My server is now up and my pages are being served<br>(to the world) via FC11.  this is an i586 version</p><p>And it was very easy to do.</p><p>Now the AMD64 version . . . with preupgrade . . .<br>that is taking a very very long time</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no problemsinstalling on an AMD using preupgradeMy server is now up and my pages are being served ( to the world ) via FC11 .
this is an i586 versionAnd it was very easy to do.Now the AMD64 version .
. .
with preupgrade .
. .that is taking a very very long time</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no problemsinstalling on an AMD using preupgradeMy server is now up and my pages are being served(to the world) via FC11.
this is an i586 versionAnd it was very easy to do.Now the AMD64 version .
. .
with preupgrade .
. .that is taking a very very long time</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28266919</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28273529</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1244553660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux doesn't have short release cycles, distros do.  Only some of them at that, if you want a slow release cycle install Debian stable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux does n't have short release cycles , distros do .
Only some of them at that , if you want a slow release cycle install Debian stable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux doesn't have short release cycles, distros do.
Only some of them at that, if you want a slow release cycle install Debian stable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267291</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268597</id>
	<title>Re:This will probably become RHEL6</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1244573340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When RHEL6 comes out, you might be using hardware from 2010-2011.  I see something similar to a chicken and egg problem.  Or maybe it's closer to the short story "The Gift of the Magi"; You give RH time to make a new version, letting your hardware age... and eventually RH gifts you with a comb, but you sold your hair!</htmltext>
<tokenext>When RHEL6 comes out , you might be using hardware from 2010-2011 .
I see something similar to a chicken and egg problem .
Or maybe it 's closer to the short story " The Gift of the Magi " ; You give RH time to make a new version , letting your hardware age... and eventually RH gifts you with a comb , but you sold your hair !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When RHEL6 comes out, you might be using hardware from 2010-2011.
I see something similar to a chicken and egg problem.
Or maybe it's closer to the short story "The Gift of the Magi"; You give RH time to make a new version, letting your hardware age... and eventually RH gifts you with a comb, but you sold your hair!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28275085</id>
	<title>Re:This will probably become RHEL6</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RHEL releases are not BASED off of fedora releases. the only thing that happens, is they take stable software, who's release may be common to the previous fedora. There is no "lets take fedora and rebrand it RHEL". The only common ground is that when RHEL6 comes out, it will use software that was tested on Fedora. If something changed on fedora, and it was good, it may be incorporated into the next release of RHEL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RHEL releases are not BASED off of fedora releases .
the only thing that happens , is they take stable software , who 's release may be common to the previous fedora .
There is no " lets take fedora and rebrand it RHEL " .
The only common ground is that when RHEL6 comes out , it will use software that was tested on Fedora .
If something changed on fedora , and it was good , it may be incorporated into the next release of RHEL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RHEL releases are not BASED off of fedora releases.
the only thing that happens, is they take stable software, who's release may be common to the previous fedora.
There is no "lets take fedora and rebrand it RHEL".
The only common ground is that when RHEL6 comes out, it will use software that was tested on Fedora.
If something changed on fedora, and it was good, it may be incorporated into the next release of RHEL.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28272195</id>
	<title>Re:Encryption</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244544720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use encryption on my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home partition, but not the rest of the system. Been using it since Fedora 9 came out and it's worked very smoothly. No noticeable slow down or problems. Definately a nice thing to have on a laptop. However, since it prompts for a password at mount time, I wouldn't put it on a desktop or server machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use encryption on my /home partition , but not the rest of the system .
Been using it since Fedora 9 came out and it 's worked very smoothly .
No noticeable slow down or problems .
Definately a nice thing to have on a laptop .
However , since it prompts for a password at mount time , I would n't put it on a desktop or server machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use encryption on my /home partition, but not the rest of the system.
Been using it since Fedora 9 came out and it's worked very smoothly.
No noticeable slow down or problems.
Definately a nice thing to have on a laptop.
However, since it prompts for a password at mount time, I wouldn't put it on a desktop or server machine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267925</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28275889</id>
	<title>Use a long-term support release</title>
	<author>daffmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1244574060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want fewer releases use a long term support release.</p><p>For Ubuntu they are marked LTS and come out every two years. The last was 8.04 (Hardy)</p><p>For Fedora / RedHat they are the RedHat Enterprise Linux releases, and are about every three years, or the free CentOS copy of same.</p><p>And I don't remember anyone bitching about Win 7 coming out. Despite the bias towards linux around here I think most people will be glad to see the back of Vista.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want fewer releases use a long term support release.For Ubuntu they are marked LTS and come out every two years .
The last was 8.04 ( Hardy ) For Fedora / RedHat they are the RedHat Enterprise Linux releases , and are about every three years , or the free CentOS copy of same.And I do n't remember anyone bitching about Win 7 coming out .
Despite the bias towards linux around here I think most people will be glad to see the back of Vista .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want fewer releases use a long term support release.For Ubuntu they are marked LTS and come out every two years.
The last was 8.04 (Hardy)For Fedora / RedHat they are the RedHat Enterprise Linux releases, and are about every three years, or the free CentOS copy of same.And I don't remember anyone bitching about Win 7 coming out.
Despite the bias towards linux around here I think most people will be glad to see the back of Vista.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267291</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28273453</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>zokier</author>
	<datestamp>1244553240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Change distro to something that has slower release cycle like Debian, or longer support like Ubuntu LTS, or no releases like Arch. Using Linux-based OS is all about choice, you can see it as a downside or upside. On the other hand, its usually assumed that your configurations etc(='running the way I wanted') don't break (much) if you update, at least if you haven't missed any releases in between.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Change distro to something that has slower release cycle like Debian , or longer support like Ubuntu LTS , or no releases like Arch .
Using Linux-based OS is all about choice , you can see it as a downside or upside .
On the other hand , its usually assumed that your configurations etc ( = 'running the way I wanted ' ) do n't break ( much ) if you update , at least if you have n't missed any releases in between .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Change distro to something that has slower release cycle like Debian, or longer support like Ubuntu LTS, or no releases like Arch.
Using Linux-based OS is all about choice, you can see it as a downside or upside.
On the other hand, its usually assumed that your configurations etc(='running the way I wanted') don't break (much) if you update, at least if you haven't missed any releases in between.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267291</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28269665</id>
	<title>Acer Aspire One</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244576940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone tried F11 on an Acer Aspire One yet?</p><p>Any feedback?</p><p>Ta</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone tried F11 on an Acer Aspire One yet ? Any feedback ? Ta</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone tried F11 on an Acer Aspire One yet?Any feedback?Ta</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267717</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>jones\_supa</author>
	<datestamp>1244569860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, every time a new distro revision is released, the old one usually still receives updates and support for some years. By not doing a full upgrade to the new major version, you get the latest patches and yet the feature set remains the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , every time a new distro revision is released , the old one usually still receives updates and support for some years .
By not doing a full upgrade to the new major version , you get the latest patches and yet the feature set remains the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, every time a new distro revision is released, the old one usually still receives updates and support for some years.
By not doing a full upgrade to the new major version, you get the latest patches and yet the feature set remains the same.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267291</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28273089</id>
	<title>Re:It's soo cutting edge</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1244550480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The preview is a crash monkey. noPulseaudio will not play nice with VLC, mplayer or the scrototem. I can't use the ATI Radeon drivers. I'll put up with it as I will not go back to ubuntu without them restoring long term features. I'll run win7 for 3D games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The preview is a crash monkey .
noPulseaudio will not play nice with VLC , mplayer or the scrototem .
I ca n't use the ATI Radeon drivers .
I 'll put up with it as I will not go back to ubuntu without them restoring long term features .
I 'll run win7 for 3D games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The preview is a crash monkey.
noPulseaudio will not play nice with VLC, mplayer or the scrototem.
I can't use the ATI Radeon drivers.
I'll put up with it as I will not go back to ubuntu without them restoring long term features.
I'll run win7 for 3D games.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28266919</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267925</id>
	<title>Encryption</title>
	<author>buchner.johannes</author>
	<datestamp>1244570880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fedora is probably the only general audience distribution that supports disk encryption and lockup security features user-friendly and out-of-the-box.</p><p>Has anyone got full disk encryption in daily use?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora is probably the only general audience distribution that supports disk encryption and lockup security features user-friendly and out-of-the-box.Has anyone got full disk encryption in daily use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora is probably the only general audience distribution that supports disk encryption and lockup security features user-friendly and out-of-the-box.Has anyone got full disk encryption in daily use?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28266917</id>
	<title>Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is it beowulf cluster ready?</p><p>does it come with a coupon for a free bowl of hot grits?</p><p>what is Natalie Portman's review of this new fangled release?</p><p>does it run Linux?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is it beowulf cluster ready ? does it come with a coupon for a free bowl of hot grits ? what is Natalie Portman 's review of this new fangled release ? does it run Linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is it beowulf cluster ready?does it come with a coupon for a free bowl of hot grits?what is Natalie Portman's review of this new fangled release?does it run Linux?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28284751</id>
	<title>Re:20 seconds? Mama mia</title>
	<author>donaldm</author>
	<datestamp>1244626320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A 20 second boot? What happens after that?</p></div><p>How about a 15 second boot, then a 10 second boot then eventually a zero second boot then we can can go were no man/woman has gone before<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A 20 second boot ?
What happens after that ? How about a 15 second boot , then a 10 second boot then eventually a zero second boot then we can can go were no man/woman has gone before : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 20 second boot?
What happens after that?How about a 15 second boot, then a 10 second boot then eventually a zero second boot then we can can go were no man/woman has gone before :)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267127</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267397</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1244568600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because all a distro release is, is basically a service pack. Everything gets updated in one easily maintained package thats checked (or at least should be) for any incompatibilities. For example, if you upgrade some libraries but have an older version of another program, that program won't work unless you update it, distro upgrades update everything so they all play nicely with each other.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because all a distro release is , is basically a service pack .
Everything gets updated in one easily maintained package thats checked ( or at least should be ) for any incompatibilities .
For example , if you upgrade some libraries but have an older version of another program , that program wo n't work unless you update it , distro upgrades update everything so they all play nicely with each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because all a distro release is, is basically a service pack.
Everything gets updated in one easily maintained package thats checked (or at least should be) for any incompatibilities.
For example, if you upgrade some libraries but have an older version of another program, that program won't work unless you update it, distro upgrades update everything so they all play nicely with each other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28316767</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>myliverhatesme</author>
	<datestamp>1244820240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The difference is that Windows isn't FREE. I hate paying to upgrade from an operating system that I was never satisfied with to begin with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference is that Windows is n't FREE .
I hate paying to upgrade from an operating system that I was never satisfied with to begin with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference is that Windows isn't FREE.
I hate paying to upgrade from an operating system that I was never satisfied with to begin with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28274763</id>
	<title>20 Second Startup Time</title>
	<author>TheStonepedo</author>
	<datestamp>1244564400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that on my grandmother's Pentium II laptop or my boss's multi-core workstation?  Startup time seems like an arbitrary statistic for a Linux distribution that should run on a broad range of outdated and current hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that on my grandmother 's Pentium II laptop or my boss 's multi-core workstation ?
Startup time seems like an arbitrary statistic for a Linux distribution that should run on a broad range of outdated and current hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that on my grandmother's Pentium II laptop or my boss's multi-core workstation?
Startup time seems like an arbitrary statistic for a Linux distribution that should run on a broad range of outdated and current hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28266923</id>
	<title>is this first enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>first</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>first</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267677</id>
	<title>Now I get to hear about it all day at work...</title>
	<author>dburkland</author>
	<datestamp>1244569740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every Fedora release brings 10 different people talking about how they can't wait to install the new release. There is nothing better hearing them bitch the next day about how their machine has all these issues haha. (I am not a Fedora hater in anyway)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every Fedora release brings 10 different people talking about how they ca n't wait to install the new release .
There is nothing better hearing them bitch the next day about how their machine has all these issues haha .
( I am not a Fedora hater in anyway )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every Fedora release brings 10 different people talking about how they can't wait to install the new release.
There is nothing better hearing them bitch the next day about how their machine has all these issues haha.
(I am not a Fedora hater in anyway)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28270471</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244580180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles.</i></p><p>I use debian you insensitive clod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , why does linux have so many release cycles.I use debian you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles.I use debian you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267291</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268315</id>
	<title>Re:Things about linux that still anger me.</title>
	<author>sgage</author>
	<datestamp>1244572260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The trolls are out in force today.</p><p>Deps? Stick with a good modern desktop distro and you'll have no problems with deps. Ditto package managers. Pick a distro that uses the one you like.</p><p>Too many distros? WTF? Just pick one! You are not obligated to care about multiple distros.</p><p>What do you care about how people choose to spend their coding time and skills? So what if there are a lot of choices for this and that? Pick one that you like!</p><p>Linux is a rather complete powerhouse. Perhaps that is what is bothering you - if you want power, you're going to have to know what you're doing.</p><p>Anger is a strange emotion to bring to it. Why not just use Windows or Mac? Life is too short to be angry about Linux...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trolls are out in force today.Deps ?
Stick with a good modern desktop distro and you 'll have no problems with deps .
Ditto package managers .
Pick a distro that uses the one you like.Too many distros ?
WTF ? Just pick one !
You are not obligated to care about multiple distros.What do you care about how people choose to spend their coding time and skills ?
So what if there are a lot of choices for this and that ?
Pick one that you like ! Linux is a rather complete powerhouse .
Perhaps that is what is bothering you - if you want power , you 're going to have to know what you 're doing.Anger is a strange emotion to bring to it .
Why not just use Windows or Mac ?
Life is too short to be angry about Linux.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trolls are out in force today.Deps?
Stick with a good modern desktop distro and you'll have no problems with deps.
Ditto package managers.
Pick a distro that uses the one you like.Too many distros?
WTF? Just pick one!
You are not obligated to care about multiple distros.What do you care about how people choose to spend their coding time and skills?
So what if there are a lot of choices for this and that?
Pick one that you like!Linux is a rather complete powerhouse.
Perhaps that is what is bothering you - if you want power, you're going to have to know what you're doing.Anger is a strange emotion to bring to it.
Why not just use Windows or Mac?
Life is too short to be angry about Linux...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268605</id>
	<title>Fedora server components are not bleeding-edge</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1244573400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The desktop may be bleeding-edge, but the server components are rock-solid.</p><p>I might have a tough time adjusting the volume or getting the desktop applets to work right, but the server implementations are stable and work right every time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The desktop may be bleeding-edge , but the server components are rock-solid.I might have a tough time adjusting the volume or getting the desktop applets to work right , but the server implementations are stable and work right every time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The desktop may be bleeding-edge, but the server components are rock-solid.I might have a tough time adjusting the volume or getting the desktop applets to work right, but the server implementations are stable and work right every time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28271273</id>
	<title>Re:Meh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244540520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well you can always use Gentoo, nothing like compiling everything from source AND hand-editing cfg files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well you can always use Gentoo , nothing like compiling everything from source AND hand-editing cfg files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well you can always use Gentoo, nothing like compiling everything from source AND hand-editing cfg files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267291</id>
	<title>Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles. That's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu. It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something.<br>It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , why does linux have so many release cycles .
That 's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu .
It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably , it broke something.It 's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista , but they do n't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro .
Odd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles.
That's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu.
It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something.It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro.
Odd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267923</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>harryandthehenderson</author>
	<datestamp>1244570880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles.</p></div><p>Because people want the latest versions of software?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>That's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu. It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something.</p></div><p>You didn't have to upgrade at all.  No one forces you to do so if everything already works just fine.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd.</p></div><p>Because it doesn't cost me a couple of hundred dollars to upgrade from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10?  Or from Fedora 10 to 11?  I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , why does linux have so many release cycles.Because people want the latest versions of software ? That 's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu .
It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably , it broke something.You did n't have to upgrade at all .
No one forces you to do so if everything already works just fine.It 's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista , but they do n't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro .
Odd.Because it does n't cost me a couple of hundred dollars to upgrade from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 ?
Or from Fedora 10 to 11 ?
I 'm sure that has nothing to do with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles.Because people want the latest versions of software?That's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu.
It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something.You didn't have to upgrade at all.
No one forces you to do so if everything already works just fine.It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro.
Odd.Because it doesn't cost me a couple of hundred dollars to upgrade from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10?
Or from Fedora 10 to 11?
I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28271677</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>jackspenn</author>
	<datestamp>1244542380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you want a stable distro, use RHEL or CentOS, which have a life cycle of 3 years.  If you want bleeding edge, and a 6 month update cycle, use Fedora.  If you like the color of brown and want to think you are cooler then you are, ubuntu is probably right for you.  If you like to waste money, buy a Mac.
<br> <br>
Oh and if you make your home partition separate and script settings you prefer, then you can update the distribution and not have to reconfigure everything by hand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want a stable distro , use RHEL or CentOS , which have a life cycle of 3 years .
If you want bleeding edge , and a 6 month update cycle , use Fedora .
If you like the color of brown and want to think you are cooler then you are , ubuntu is probably right for you .
If you like to waste money , buy a Mac .
Oh and if you make your home partition separate and script settings you prefer , then you can update the distribution and not have to reconfigure everything by hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want a stable distro, use RHEL or CentOS, which have a life cycle of 3 years.
If you want bleeding edge, and a 6 month update cycle, use Fedora.
If you like the color of brown and want to think you are cooler then you are, ubuntu is probably right for you.
If you like to waste money, buy a Mac.
Oh and if you make your home partition separate and script settings you prefer, then you can update the distribution and not have to reconfigure everything by hand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28276823</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>init100</author>
	<datestamp>1244627580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade</p></div><p>You were pressured to upgrade? Some mafia-style hitmen came and demanded that you upgrade?</p><p>My home desktop runs Fedora 7. Sure, it has had no updates for almost a year, but it is working well for what I use it for (video encoding). Why upgrade if you don't really feel like it? My machine is probably going to be upgraded soon, since I'd like the system not to be too old, but I hardly feel any pressure to upgrade every time. I try each release in a VM, before I decide if the real home machine will get an upgrade.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgradeYou were pressured to upgrade ?
Some mafia-style hitmen came and demanded that you upgrade ? My home desktop runs Fedora 7 .
Sure , it has had no updates for almost a year , but it is working well for what I use it for ( video encoding ) .
Why upgrade if you do n't really feel like it ?
My machine is probably going to be upgraded soon , since I 'd like the system not to be too old , but I hardly feel any pressure to upgrade every time .
I try each release in a VM , before I decide if the real home machine will get an upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgradeYou were pressured to upgrade?
Some mafia-style hitmen came and demanded that you upgrade?My home desktop runs Fedora 7.
Sure, it has had no updates for almost a year, but it is working well for what I use it for (video encoding).
Why upgrade if you don't really feel like it?
My machine is probably going to be upgraded soon, since I'd like the system not to be too old, but I hardly feel any pressure to upgrade every time.
I try each release in a VM, before I decide if the real home machine will get an upgrade.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28269983</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>bigstrat2003</author>
	<datestamp>1244578380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First of all, I don't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after Vista</p></div><p>That's not true at all (well, it's not true that it hasn't occurred, although I don't doubt you when you say you don't recall it). I've heard plenty of bitching about this topic. I think that the GP has a valid point, except that he's fallaciously acting as if the users all have the same opinions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , I do n't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after VistaThat 's not true at all ( well , it 's not true that it has n't occurred , although I do n't doubt you when you say you do n't recall it ) .
I 've heard plenty of bitching about this topic .
I think that the GP has a valid point , except that he 's fallaciously acting as if the users all have the same opinions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, I don't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after VistaThat's not true at all (well, it's not true that it hasn't occurred, although I don't doubt you when you say you don't recall it).
I've heard plenty of bitching about this topic.
I think that the GP has a valid point, except that he's fallaciously acting as if the users all have the same opinions.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267727</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244569920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sympathize, although for my desktop system I do prefer just grabbing the latest stable stuff every nine months or so ala the Ubuntu release cycle. But for a server of course, it's nice to have things stable. Or is it UI changes that bug you?</p><p>But as the Anonymous One suggested, there are other flavors of Linux which move at a slower pace, such as <a href="http://debian.org/" title="debian.org">http://debian.org/</a> [debian.org] or RHEL (or the free version of it, CentOS).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sympathize , although for my desktop system I do prefer just grabbing the latest stable stuff every nine months or so ala the Ubuntu release cycle .
But for a server of course , it 's nice to have things stable .
Or is it UI changes that bug you ? But as the Anonymous One suggested , there are other flavors of Linux which move at a slower pace , such as http : //debian.org/ [ debian.org ] or RHEL ( or the free version of it , CentOS ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sympathize, although for my desktop system I do prefer just grabbing the latest stable stuff every nine months or so ala the Ubuntu release cycle.
But for a server of course, it's nice to have things stable.
Or is it UI changes that bug you?But as the Anonymous One suggested, there are other flavors of Linux which move at a slower pace, such as http://debian.org/ [debian.org] or RHEL (or the free version of it, CentOS).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28281847</id>
	<title>Re:20 Second Startup Time</title>
	<author>AdamWill</author>
	<datestamp>1244657700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a marketing number. "20 Second Boot" sounds sexier than "Faster Boot".</p><p>(yes, that really is why we did it that way.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a marketing number .
" 20 Second Boot " sounds sexier than " Faster Boot " .
( yes , that really is why we did it that way .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a marketing number.
"20 Second Boot" sounds sexier than "Faster Boot".
(yes, that really is why we did it that way.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268383</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244572500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's bad about Ubuntu is the crazy upgrade restrictions. Often you can only upgrade to the newest version from the immediately previous version. Then you try to upgrade to the previous version and find that the upgrade is no longer available. What a mess!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's bad about Ubuntu is the crazy upgrade restrictions .
Often you can only upgrade to the newest version from the immediately previous version .
Then you try to upgrade to the previous version and find that the upgrade is no longer available .
What a mess !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's bad about Ubuntu is the crazy upgrade restrictions.
Often you can only upgrade to the newest version from the immediately previous version.
Then you try to upgrade to the previous version and find that the upgrade is no longer available.
What a mess!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268323</id>
	<title>Re:This will probably become RHEL6</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244572260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fedora 11 will not be upstream for RHEL6.  RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 12.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora 11 will not be upstream for RHEL6 .
RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 12 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora 11 will not be upstream for RHEL6.
RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 12.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267305</id>
	<title>This will probably become RHEL6</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
This release of Fedora is the release that will probably be the basis for the next release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL).  This is a good thing, because I like using commercial software on Linux (read: I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines), and right now RHEL 5 does not run with the 2007-era hardware I have, being based on a version of Fedora from 2006.
</p><p>
Once this becomes RHEL, commercial ISVs (Independent Software Vendors) will start supporting the release and both the hardware I use and the commercial software I need to be productive (sorry guys, I find VirtualBox a lot more buggy and less intuitive to use than VMware) will be supported in a version of Linux that will have the stability I need.
</p><p>
Can anyone confirm that RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 11?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This release of Fedora is the release that will probably be the basis for the next release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux ( RHEL ) .
This is a good thing , because I like using commercial software on Linux ( read : I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines ) , and right now RHEL 5 does not run with the 2007-era hardware I have , being based on a version of Fedora from 2006 .
Once this becomes RHEL , commercial ISVs ( Independent Software Vendors ) will start supporting the release and both the hardware I use and the commercial software I need to be productive ( sorry guys , I find VirtualBox a lot more buggy and less intuitive to use than VMware ) will be supported in a version of Linux that will have the stability I need .
Can anyone confirm that RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 11 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
This release of Fedora is the release that will probably be the basis for the next release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL).
This is a good thing, because I like using commercial software on Linux (read: I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines), and right now RHEL 5 does not run with the 2007-era hardware I have, being based on a version of Fedora from 2006.
Once this becomes RHEL, commercial ISVs (Independent Software Vendors) will start supporting the release and both the hardware I use and the commercial software I need to be productive (sorry guys, I find VirtualBox a lot more buggy and less intuitive to use than VMware) will be supported in a version of Linux that will have the stability I need.
Can anyone confirm that RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 11?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267263</id>
	<title>No wonder my HTTP download stalled...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It hit slashdot. Dang firewall at works blocks torrents<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It hit slashdot .
Dang firewall at works blocks torrents : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It hit slashdot.
Dang firewall at works blocks torrents :(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267419</id>
	<title>Re:20 seconds? Mama mia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GRUB starts loading the Linux kernel.</p><p>Just make sure you don't hit any keys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GRUB starts loading the Linux kernel.Just make sure you do n't hit any keys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GRUB starts loading the Linux kernel.Just make sure you don't hit any keys.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268045</id>
	<title>Preupgrade</title>
	<author>ichthus</author>
	<datestamp>1244571300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just used preupgrade to move from fc10 on my Samsung NC10 netbook.  As I type this, Anaconda is installing the packages for upgrade.
<br> <br>
So far, this upgrade is going smoothly.  According to the release notes, I should see an improvement in battery life.  We'll see...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just used preupgrade to move from fc10 on my Samsung NC10 netbook .
As I type this , Anaconda is installing the packages for upgrade .
So far , this upgrade is going smoothly .
According to the release notes , I should see an improvement in battery life .
We 'll see.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just used preupgrade to move from fc10 on my Samsung NC10 netbook.
As I type this, Anaconda is installing the packages for upgrade.
So far, this upgrade is going smoothly.
According to the release notes, I should see an improvement in battery life.
We'll see...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28271663</id>
	<title>11?</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1244542260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoops. Completely missed 11. I've been <a href="http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=7r7l76fu0v9clo1eciio4184t0\%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;ctz=America/Los\_Angeles" title="google.com">tracking 12</a> [google.com].</p><p>(Alpha comes out July 7)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoops .
Completely missed 11 .
I 've been tracking 12 [ google.com ] .
( Alpha comes out July 7 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoops.
Completely missed 11.
I've been tracking 12 [google.com].
(Alpha comes out July 7)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28270371</id>
	<title>Re:20 seconds? Mama mia</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1244579700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It takes 15 minutes to log in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It takes 15 minutes to log in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It takes 15 minutes to log in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28270599</id>
	<title>Re:This will probably become RHEL6</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1244580600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe that VMWare doesn't officially support Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe that VMWare does n't officially support Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe that VMWare doesn't officially support Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267987</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267843</id>
	<title>Re:take a screenshot tour</title>
	<author>greenguy</author>
	<datestamp>1244570460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is cool and all, but it doesn't have a screenshot of what I want: sound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is cool and all , but it does n't have a screenshot of what I want : sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is cool and all, but it doesn't have a screenshot of what I want: sound.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268195</id>
	<title>Re:Ho ho.</title>
	<author>dstyle5</author>
	<datestamp>1244571840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope one of the "new things" they've tried is fixing the audio and graphics driver issues 9 and 10 introduced.  Fedora 8 worked like a charm for me with my older PC, but installing 9 and 10 was problematic.  I couldn't even install 10 until I modded the kernel arguments to use the vesa xdriver.  With 10 my audio stutters and hangs during audio/video playback while in 8 using the exact same hardware I had zero issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope one of the " new things " they 've tried is fixing the audio and graphics driver issues 9 and 10 introduced .
Fedora 8 worked like a charm for me with my older PC , but installing 9 and 10 was problematic .
I could n't even install 10 until I modded the kernel arguments to use the vesa xdriver .
With 10 my audio stutters and hangs during audio/video playback while in 8 using the exact same hardware I had zero issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope one of the "new things" they've tried is fixing the audio and graphics driver issues 9 and 10 introduced.
Fedora 8 worked like a charm for me with my older PC, but installing 9 and 10 was problematic.
I couldn't even install 10 until I modded the kernel arguments to use the vesa xdriver.
With 10 my audio stutters and hangs during audio/video playback while in 8 using the exact same hardware I had zero issues.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28288755</id>
	<title>F11 does not install on all Intel based systems</title>
	<author>lsatenstein</author>
	<datestamp>1244649900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The installer crashes on my system, and won't allow one to view the disk drives or select partitioning.

A dump of the anaconda install program is so locked up, I cannot save a dump for diagnosis. (No, I don't run vm)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The installer crashes on my system , and wo n't allow one to view the disk drives or select partitioning .
A dump of the anaconda install program is so locked up , I can not save a dump for diagnosis .
( No , I do n't run vm )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The installer crashes on my system, and won't allow one to view the disk drives or select partitioning.
A dump of the anaconda install program is so locked up, I cannot save a dump for diagnosis.
(No, I don't run vm)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267057</id>
	<title>Ho ho.</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1244567520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish I had a spare partition to install this on. The Beta and Preview releases were good, and they seem to be interested in trying a few new things.<br> <br>The <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-June/msg00006.html" title="redhat.com">release announcement makes we wonder, though.</a> [redhat.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I had a spare partition to install this on .
The Beta and Preview releases were good , and they seem to be interested in trying a few new things .
The release announcement makes we wonder , though .
[ redhat.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I had a spare partition to install this on.
The Beta and Preview releases were good, and they seem to be interested in trying a few new things.
The release announcement makes we wonder, though.
[redhat.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267725</id>
	<title>Re:It's soo cutting edge</title>
	<author>rbrausse</author>
	<datestamp>1244569920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and this is the reason why I use it on my private laptop: I want to know what will hit my servers with Debian stable in 4 years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and this is the reason why I use it on my private laptop : I want to know what will hit my servers with Debian stable in 4 years : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and this is the reason why I use it on my private laptop: I want to know what will hit my servers with Debian stable in 4 years :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28266919</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267987</id>
	<title>Re:This will probably become RHEL6</title>
	<author>harryandthehenderson</author>
	<datestamp>1244571120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is a good thing, because I like using commercial software on Linux (read: I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines),</p></div><p>Why would you need RHEL to run VMware Player?  It's been in the Ubuntu repositories since 6.06.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a good thing , because I like using commercial software on Linux ( read : I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines ) ,Why would you need RHEL to run VMware Player ?
It 's been in the Ubuntu repositories since 6.06 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a good thing, because I like using commercial software on Linux (read: I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines),Why would you need RHEL to run VMware Player?
It's been in the Ubuntu repositories since 6.06.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28272685</id>
	<title>Re:Preupgrade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244547900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>netbook and linux? total fag fest. keep sucking that dick, bitch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>netbook and linux ?
total fag fest .
keep sucking that dick , bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>netbook and linux?
total fag fest.
keep sucking that dick, bitch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268045</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28271103</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244539680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fedora is Bleeding-Edge distribution. Mandriva and OpenSUSE are Cutting-Edge. Ubuntu has no edge at all, because there is Debian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora is Bleeding-Edge distribution .
Mandriva and OpenSUSE are Cutting-Edge .
Ubuntu has no edge at all , because there is Debian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora is Bleeding-Edge distribution.
Mandriva and OpenSUSE are Cutting-Edge.
Ubuntu has no edge at all, because there is Debian.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267579</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267285</id>
	<title>LINUX IS SHIT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spent over an hour trying to get a USB Wifi device that I bought for its supposed Linux compatibility working.</p><p>Nobody mentioned that to get it working you would have to type pages sand pages of shit in to the command line.</p><p>Of course after going though all that bullshit I still couldn't get it to work.</p><p>Fuck Linux. I'm going back to Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spent over an hour trying to get a USB Wifi device that I bought for its supposed Linux compatibility working.Nobody mentioned that to get it working you would have to type pages sand pages of shit in to the command line.Of course after going though all that bullshit I still could n't get it to work.Fuck Linux .
I 'm going back to Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spent over an hour trying to get a USB Wifi device that I bought for its supposed Linux compatibility working.Nobody mentioned that to get it working you would have to type pages sand pages of shit in to the command line.Of course after going though all that bullshit I still couldn't get it to work.Fuck Linux.
I'm going back to Windows.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267127</id>
	<title>20 seconds? Mama mia</title>
	<author>Garbad Ropedink</author>
	<datestamp>1244567760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A 20 second boot? What happens after that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A 20 second boot ?
What happens after that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 20 second boot?
What happens after that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28266933</id>
	<title>we must keep releasing stuff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we must keep releasing stuff and get things moving...<br>and maybe one day, they will see us as a serious contender for a professional OS.<br>good job, Red Hat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we must keep releasing stuff and get things moving...and maybe one day , they will see us as a serious contender for a professional OS.good job , Red Hat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we must keep releasing stuff and get things moving...and maybe one day, they will see us as a serious contender for a professional OS.good job, Red Hat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267303</id>
	<title>take a screenshot tour</title>
	<author>viralMeme</author>
	<datestamp>1244568240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora\_11\_Screenshot\_Tour" title="fedoraproject.org">Fedora 11 Screenshot Tour</a> [fedoraproject.org] <br> <br>
--<br> <br>
<i>I like it except it doesn't have X feeture<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora 11 Screenshot Tour [ fedoraproject.org ] -- I like it except it does n't have X feeture : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora 11 Screenshot Tour [fedoraproject.org]  
-- 
I like it except it doesn't have X feeture :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267919</id>
	<title>Things about linux that still anger me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244570820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>1. Deps, So many Deps.
2. Standard uniform Package manager. Yum or Apt-get + they seem to not talk to each other correctly.
3. To many Distros. I stick to CentOS or Fedora.
4. To many people re-inventing the wheel, I.e. 9001 Windows Managers/Desktops.
5. Non-Simple Update from Different Revision of the OS.<tt>
Maybe I am ignorant but These this hinder linux from becoming a complete powerhouse.</tt></tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Deps , So many Deps .
2. Standard uniform Package manager .
Yum or Apt-get + they seem to not talk to each other correctly .
3. To many Distros .
I stick to CentOS or Fedora .
4. To many people re-inventing the wheel , I.e .
9001 Windows Managers/Desktops .
5. Non-Simple Update from Different Revision of the OS .
Maybe I am ignorant but These this hinder linux from becoming a complete powerhouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Deps, So many Deps.
2. Standard uniform Package manager.
Yum or Apt-get + they seem to not talk to each other correctly.
3. To many Distros.
I stick to CentOS or Fedora.
4. To many people re-inventing the wheel, I.e.
9001 Windows Managers/Desktops.
5. Non-Simple Update from Different Revision of the OS.
Maybe I am ignorant but These this hinder linux from becoming a complete powerhouse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28269013</id>
	<title>Re:Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent</title>
	<author>networkconsultant</author>
	<datestamp>1244574720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yar, I be paid in gold and I'll steal your intellectual property whilst surfing your subnet.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yar , I be paid in gold and I 'll steal your intellectual property whilst surfing your subnet .
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yar, I be paid in gold and I'll steal your intellectual property whilst surfing your subnet.
:D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267239</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28273727</id>
	<title>Re:Preupgrade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244555280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgraded with yum from F10 to FC11, yeah I like danger with my updates</p><p>After removing some packages ntpdate,ntp etc. yum finally started "rolling" and now after "millions" of selinux errors and 6 hours of time, the update finally finished. Now I am posting this from FF3.5b4.</p><p>It might be because I am tired (it is soon 4am here in Finland), but everything feels a little bit snappier, maybe gcc 4.4 has a magic touch after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded with yum from F10 to FC11 , yeah I like danger with my updatesAfter removing some packages ntpdate,ntp etc .
yum finally started " rolling " and now after " millions " of selinux errors and 6 hours of time , the update finally finished .
Now I am posting this from FF3.5b4.It might be because I am tired ( it is soon 4am here in Finland ) , but everything feels a little bit snappier , maybe gcc 4.4 has a magic touch after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded with yum from F10 to FC11, yeah I like danger with my updatesAfter removing some packages ntpdate,ntp etc.
yum finally started "rolling" and now after "millions" of selinux errors and 6 hours of time, the update finally finished.
Now I am posting this from FF3.5b4.It might be because I am tired (it is soon 4am here in Finland), but everything feels a little bit snappier, maybe gcc 4.4 has a magic touch after all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268045</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28270487</id>
	<title>With Apologies to Frank Herbert...</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1244580180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The `//areZ must flow."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The ` //areZ must flow .
" ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The `//areZ must flow.
" ;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267239</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267579</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244569380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>why does linux have so many release cycles</i>
</p><p>
Because Fedora is a cutting-edge testing release that's done about twice a year.  The RedHat Linux way is to take software that Microsoft would only make available to internal testers in Redmond, and make it available to the general public as "Fedora".
</p><p>
If you want something with fewer release cycles, you're best bet is Red Hat Enterprise Linux (which every three years or so, takes a release of Fedora, declares it stable, renames it "RHEL", and updates that version of Fedora for seven years).  If you're too cheap to buy RHEL, you can get <a href="http://centos.org/" title="centos.org" rel="nofollow">CentOS</a> [centos.org], which is a free derivative of RHEL.  CentOS 5.3 is the Linux equivalent of "CentOS 5, service pack 3" [1]
</p><p>
[1] Well, except that adding new drivers to older releases of CentOS is harder than it is to do with Microsoft Windows.  What can I say, Linux isn't perfect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why does linux have so many release cycles Because Fedora is a cutting-edge testing release that 's done about twice a year .
The RedHat Linux way is to take software that Microsoft would only make available to internal testers in Redmond , and make it available to the general public as " Fedora " .
If you want something with fewer release cycles , you 're best bet is Red Hat Enterprise Linux ( which every three years or so , takes a release of Fedora , declares it stable , renames it " RHEL " , and updates that version of Fedora for seven years ) .
If you 're too cheap to buy RHEL , you can get CentOS [ centos.org ] , which is a free derivative of RHEL .
CentOS 5.3 is the Linux equivalent of " CentOS 5 , service pack 3 " [ 1 ] [ 1 ] Well , except that adding new drivers to older releases of CentOS is harder than it is to do with Microsoft Windows .
What can I say , Linux is n't perfect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
why does linux have so many release cycles

Because Fedora is a cutting-edge testing release that's done about twice a year.
The RedHat Linux way is to take software that Microsoft would only make available to internal testers in Redmond, and make it available to the general public as "Fedora".
If you want something with fewer release cycles, you're best bet is Red Hat Enterprise Linux (which every three years or so, takes a release of Fedora, declares it stable, renames it "RHEL", and updates that version of Fedora for seven years).
If you're too cheap to buy RHEL, you can get CentOS [centos.org], which is a free derivative of RHEL.
CentOS 5.3 is the Linux equivalent of "CentOS 5, service pack 3" [1]

[1] Well, except that adding new drivers to older releases of CentOS is harder than it is to do with Microsoft Windows.
What can I say, Linux isn't perfect.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28276577</id>
	<title>Re:Encryption</title>
	<author>IBBoard</author>
	<datestamp>1244625000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, we use it at work (it was mandated recently that we must encrypt and that Linux can use FDE). I was going to switch from F10 to openSuse but openSuse 11.1 doesn't support FDE yet, only individual partition encryption, (apparently it is in the works for 11.2) and so I went to F11 preview. Tick one box on install, give it a password and off you go.</p><p>Ubuntu does support it as well, but it is on the "alternative" disk rather than the standard disk. I don't know much more than that, though, because I've never felt the need to install it. Some of the other guys in my office use it, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , we use it at work ( it was mandated recently that we must encrypt and that Linux can use FDE ) .
I was going to switch from F10 to openSuse but openSuse 11.1 does n't support FDE yet , only individual partition encryption , ( apparently it is in the works for 11.2 ) and so I went to F11 preview .
Tick one box on install , give it a password and off you go.Ubuntu does support it as well , but it is on the " alternative " disk rather than the standard disk .
I do n't know much more than that , though , because I 've never felt the need to install it .
Some of the other guys in my office use it , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, we use it at work (it was mandated recently that we must encrypt and that Linux can use FDE).
I was going to switch from F10 to openSuse but openSuse 11.1 doesn't support FDE yet, only individual partition encryption, (apparently it is in the works for 11.2) and so I went to F11 preview.
Tick one box on install, give it a password and off you go.Ubuntu does support it as well, but it is on the "alternative" disk rather than the standard disk.
I don't know much more than that, though, because I've never felt the need to install it.
Some of the other guys in my office use it, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28269173</id>
	<title>Re:Encryption</title>
	<author>QCompson</author>
	<datestamp>1244575320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Full disk encryption is very setup with ubuntu on the alternative-installer disk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Full disk encryption is very setup with ubuntu on the alternative-installer disk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Full disk encryption is very setup with ubuntu on the alternative-installer disk.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267381</id>
	<title>Re:20 seconds? Mama mia</title>
	<author>gregg</author>
	<datestamp>1244568600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A 20 second boot?</p></div><p>20 second boot?  Bah, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-league\_boots" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">seven league boots</a> [wikipedia.org] are where it is at.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A 20 second boot ? 20 second boot ?
Bah , seven league boots [ wikipedia.org ] are where it is at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 20 second boot?20 second boot?
Bah, seven league boots [wikipedia.org] are where it is at.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267961</id>
	<title>Yay, KMS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244570940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fedora 11 is the first release of any major distribution to include kernel mode-setting (KMS) for Intel GMA, ATI Radeon, and nVidia TNT2/GeForce chipsets. This is an excellent step forward in terms of moving off of crufty old graphics APIs and being able to use video cards in a more uniform, reliable manner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora 11 is the first release of any major distribution to include kernel mode-setting ( KMS ) for Intel GMA , ATI Radeon , and nVidia TNT2/GeForce chipsets .
This is an excellent step forward in terms of moving off of crufty old graphics APIs and being able to use video cards in a more uniform , reliable manner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora 11 is the first release of any major distribution to include kernel mode-setting (KMS) for Intel GMA, ATI Radeon, and nVidia TNT2/GeForce chipsets.
This is an excellent step forward in terms of moving off of crufty old graphics APIs and being able to use video cards in a more uniform, reliable manner.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28268889</id>
	<title>Re:It's soo cutting edge</title>
	<author>zr-rifle</author>
	<datestamp>1244574300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I hurt myself trying to install it.</p></div><p>...so now it's bleeding edge?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hurt myself trying to install it....so now it 's bleeding edge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hurt myself trying to install it....so now it's bleeding edge?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267879</id>
	<title>Re:It's soo cutting edge</title>
	<author>Tim4444</author>
	<datestamp>1244570640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...that it's illegal in 7 states - and also switzerland apparently</htmltext>
<tokenext>...that it 's illegal in 7 states - and also switzerland apparently</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that it's illegal in 7 states - and also switzerland apparently</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267775</id>
	<title>Reunion Time</title>
	<author>Anna Merikin</author>
	<datestamp>1244570160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I last installed a RH/Fedora OS almost ten years ago -- RedHat 6.0. I loved it. I pulled down sources from RPMFind.net and compiled them to try them out. I used that distro until the wheels fell off -- GCC became out-of-date and could not be updated nor could programs written for GCC-4 be compiled successfully under GCC-3, or so I heard. Same for the kernel, RH-6.0 being one of the first users of the 2.4 series (2.4.11, IIRC). The most modern kernel I remember installing on it was 2.4.35!</p><p>That took about five years. (I HATE installing and especially configuring new OSes!)</p><p>I used Knoppix 3.2.x for a year or so as a hard drive install but it would not update, Knoppix maintaining no repositories themselves, and the distro being incompatible (libraries) with Debian's repos.</p><p>I moved on to Ubuntu clones, Mepis-6 (two years) and Ultimate-2.0 XMas (six months.)  No probs except I feel left out of the process. When I installed UE first time, a few things didn't work quite right. I ignored them for the time being, spending time finding and installing programs useful for the way I live -- Ufraw, ufraw-Gimp, Gimp, Digikam, (I have a pro-level DSLR and shoot RAW-DNG) and such. Then, after an update, the probs went away. Obviously, the updates fixed them, but I was not aware of how. Then, I was offered an opportunity to upgrade the distro to the newest one, and I tried it. Now, the system is not borked but imperfect, so time to install another.</p><p>I will try Fedora 11 (it's downloading now) with workstation compiling tools and see if I can keep it going for five years or so like RH-6. Or at least until GCC-5 and kernel 2.8.x become ubiquitous, whichever comes first.</p><p>Did I mention I HATE installing and configuring OSes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I last installed a RH/Fedora OS almost ten years ago -- RedHat 6.0 .
I loved it .
I pulled down sources from RPMFind.net and compiled them to try them out .
I used that distro until the wheels fell off -- GCC became out-of-date and could not be updated nor could programs written for GCC-4 be compiled successfully under GCC-3 , or so I heard .
Same for the kernel , RH-6.0 being one of the first users of the 2.4 series ( 2.4.11 , IIRC ) .
The most modern kernel I remember installing on it was 2.4.35 ! That took about five years .
( I HATE installing and especially configuring new OSes !
) I used Knoppix 3.2.x for a year or so as a hard drive install but it would not update , Knoppix maintaining no repositories themselves , and the distro being incompatible ( libraries ) with Debian 's repos.I moved on to Ubuntu clones , Mepis-6 ( two years ) and Ultimate-2.0 XMas ( six months .
) No probs except I feel left out of the process .
When I installed UE first time , a few things did n't work quite right .
I ignored them for the time being , spending time finding and installing programs useful for the way I live -- Ufraw , ufraw-Gimp , Gimp , Digikam , ( I have a pro-level DSLR and shoot RAW-DNG ) and such .
Then , after an update , the probs went away .
Obviously , the updates fixed them , but I was not aware of how .
Then , I was offered an opportunity to upgrade the distro to the newest one , and I tried it .
Now , the system is not borked but imperfect , so time to install another.I will try Fedora 11 ( it 's downloading now ) with workstation compiling tools and see if I can keep it going for five years or so like RH-6 .
Or at least until GCC-5 and kernel 2.8.x become ubiquitous , whichever comes first.Did I mention I HATE installing and configuring OSes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I last installed a RH/Fedora OS almost ten years ago -- RedHat 6.0.
I loved it.
I pulled down sources from RPMFind.net and compiled them to try them out.
I used that distro until the wheels fell off -- GCC became out-of-date and could not be updated nor could programs written for GCC-4 be compiled successfully under GCC-3, or so I heard.
Same for the kernel, RH-6.0 being one of the first users of the 2.4 series (2.4.11, IIRC).
The most modern kernel I remember installing on it was 2.4.35!That took about five years.
(I HATE installing and especially configuring new OSes!
)I used Knoppix 3.2.x for a year or so as a hard drive install but it would not update, Knoppix maintaining no repositories themselves, and the distro being incompatible (libraries) with Debian's repos.I moved on to Ubuntu clones, Mepis-6 (two years) and Ultimate-2.0 XMas (six months.
)  No probs except I feel left out of the process.
When I installed UE first time, a few things didn't work quite right.
I ignored them for the time being, spending time finding and installing programs useful for the way I live -- Ufraw, ufraw-Gimp, Gimp, Digikam, (I have a pro-level DSLR and shoot RAW-DNG) and such.
Then, after an update, the probs went away.
Obviously, the updates fixed them, but I was not aware of how.
Then, I was offered an opportunity to upgrade the distro to the newest one, and I tried it.
Now, the system is not borked but imperfect, so time to install another.I will try Fedora 11 (it's downloading now) with workstation compiling tools and see if I can keep it going for five years or so like RH-6.
Or at least until GCC-5 and kernel 2.8.x become ubiquitous, whichever comes first.Did I mention I HATE installing and configuring OSes?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28269335</id>
	<title>Acer Aspire One</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244575800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone stuck it on an Acer Aspire One yet?</p><p>I plan to do this later unless there's any major show stoppers.</p><p>Ta</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone stuck it on an Acer Aspire One yet ? I plan to do this later unless there 's any major show stoppers.Ta</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone stuck it on an Acer Aspire One yet?I plan to do this later unless there's any major show stoppers.Ta</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28269011</id>
	<title>Re:Encryption</title>
	<author>Bazer</author>
	<datestamp>1244574720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had until I caught a bad case of brain-dead and nuked the LUKS header on my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home partition. (I wanted to resize an LVM volume and called pvcreate on the wrong partition)</p><p>That header consists of 512 bytes which contain the only key to your precious data. No redundant keys and no backups (see below). The LUKS dev team's advice on this issue is:
</p><ul> <li>don't backup the keys (it's dangerous from a cryptographic standpoint)</li><li>be careful</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had until I caught a bad case of brain-dead and nuked the LUKS header on my /home partition .
( I wanted to resize an LVM volume and called pvcreate on the wrong partition ) That header consists of 512 bytes which contain the only key to your precious data .
No redundant keys and no backups ( see below ) .
The LUKS dev team 's advice on this issue is : do n't backup the keys ( it 's dangerous from a cryptographic standpoint ) be careful</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had until I caught a bad case of brain-dead and nuked the LUKS header on my /home partition.
(I wanted to resize an LVM volume and called pvcreate on the wrong partition)That header consists of 512 bytes which contain the only key to your precious data.
No redundant keys and no backups (see below).
The LUKS dev team's advice on this issue is:
 don't backup the keys (it's dangerous from a cryptographic standpoint)be careful</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267003</id>
	<title>Richard, is that you?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I TOLD you to keep away from the katana.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I TOLD you to keep away from the katana .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I TOLD you to keep away from the katana.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267859</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244570580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something."</p><p>Took forever, pressure to upgrade, invariably broke something. Nice totalizing language, troll. You don't have to upgrade, and if you choose to, just do an in-place upgrade. In going from Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty this has worked flawlessly for me.</p><p>"It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd."</p><p>More classic troll language. First of all, I don't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after Vista - when trolling, it's always good to start out with a strawman argument. Second, "linux" doesn't release something every couple of months - there is no "linux", only distros. E.g., Ubuntu has a very well-defined 6-month cycle, with continual updates along the way, automatically. It's really more of a rolling release. Pick one that works the way you like.</p><p>Then, of course, we get the old "when Linux does the same thing that MS does, nobody complains" whine, along with the obligatory parting shot... "Odd". The release cycles and policies of Linux distros are nothing like the MS approach.</p><p>For a start, your Ubuntu (or whatever distro) upgrades are free.</p><p>However, if you want, you are free to fork out $100+ every 3 years to MS for their latest and greatest Windows, as they decide they need another pulse of revenue. And don't forget to upgrade your virus protection, etc. It's a different approach entirely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably , it broke something .
" Took forever , pressure to upgrade , invariably broke something .
Nice totalizing language , troll .
You do n't have to upgrade , and if you choose to , just do an in-place upgrade .
In going from Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty this has worked flawlessly for me .
" It 's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista , but they do n't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro .
Odd. " More classic troll language .
First of all , I do n't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after Vista - when trolling , it 's always good to start out with a strawman argument .
Second , " linux " does n't release something every couple of months - there is no " linux " , only distros .
E.g. , Ubuntu has a very well-defined 6-month cycle , with continual updates along the way , automatically .
It 's really more of a rolling release .
Pick one that works the way you like.Then , of course , we get the old " when Linux does the same thing that MS does , nobody complains " whine , along with the obligatory parting shot... " Odd " . The release cycles and policies of Linux distros are nothing like the MS approach.For a start , your Ubuntu ( or whatever distro ) upgrades are free.However , if you want , you are free to fork out $ 100 + every 3 years to MS for their latest and greatest Windows , as they decide they need another pulse of revenue .
And do n't forget to upgrade your virus protection , etc .
It 's a different approach entirely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something.
"Took forever, pressure to upgrade, invariably broke something.
Nice totalizing language, troll.
You don't have to upgrade, and if you choose to, just do an in-place upgrade.
In going from Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty this has worked flawlessly for me.
"It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro.
Odd."More classic troll language.
First of all, I don't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after Vista - when trolling, it's always good to start out with a strawman argument.
Second, "linux" doesn't release something every couple of months - there is no "linux", only distros.
E.g., Ubuntu has a very well-defined 6-month cycle, with continual updates along the way, automatically.
It's really more of a rolling release.
Pick one that works the way you like.Then, of course, we get the old "when Linux does the same thing that MS does, nobody complains" whine, along with the obligatory parting shot... "Odd". The release cycles and policies of Linux distros are nothing like the MS approach.For a start, your Ubuntu (or whatever distro) upgrades are free.However, if you want, you are free to fork out $100+ every 3 years to MS for their latest and greatest Windows, as they decide they need another pulse of revenue.
And don't forget to upgrade your virus protection, etc.
It's a different approach entirely.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267531</id>
	<title>Re:Too many releases!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244569200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>why does linux have so many release cycles...It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd./quote.

Not really. If you knew which packages to download, it would be relatively easy to upgrade from one version of the distro to another. With Windows, you're on one version or another, and there's no way for you to get the latest version of their kernel unless you upgrade. As long as you get onto one of the LTS versions of Ubuntu, you'd be able to wait for as long as you could on Windows. Moving quickly is the biggest strength of open source development. That and choice, so that'd be the two big strengths of open source. And the community.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why does linux have so many release cycles...It 's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista , but they do n't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro .
Odd./quote . Not really .
If you knew which packages to download , it would be relatively easy to upgrade from one version of the distro to another .
With Windows , you 're on one version or another , and there 's no way for you to get the latest version of their kernel unless you upgrade .
As long as you get onto one of the LTS versions of Ubuntu , you 'd be able to wait for as long as you could on Windows .
Moving quickly is the biggest strength of open source development .
That and choice , so that 'd be the two big strengths of open source .
And the community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why does linux have so many release cycles...It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro.
Odd./quote.

Not really.
If you knew which packages to download, it would be relatively easy to upgrade from one version of the distro to another.
With Windows, you're on one version or another, and there's no way for you to get the latest version of their kernel unless you upgrade.
As long as you get onto one of the LTS versions of Ubuntu, you'd be able to wait for as long as you could on Windows.
Moving quickly is the biggest strength of open source development.
That and choice, so that'd be the two big strengths of open source.
And the community.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28270475</id>
	<title>Re:take a screenshot tour</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244580180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't KDE 4.2.4 the latest? 4.2.2 is buggy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't KDE 4.2.4 the latest ?
4.2.2 is buggy : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't KDE 4.2.4 the latest?
4.2.2 is buggy :(</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1537218.28267333</id>
	<title>The stats are looking good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244568360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now, two hours or so after the announcement, I see 2279 leechers for the i386 dvd torrent, and 1794 for the x86\_64 torrent.</p><p>I've download (via bittorrent) the Fedora releases since Fedora 5 IIRC, and that is the highest number that I've seen two hours after the release. Usually there are about 1,000 - 1,500 at this point.</p><p>So that's one offhand datapoint.</p><p>If you want the maximum download speed, I suggest that you start downloading soon. The numbers start dropping off significantly, though there are usually hundreds of seeders who stick around.</p><p>Now if only they'd get the Source DVD's up! The delay on these is always annoying</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , two hours or so after the announcement , I see 2279 leechers for the i386 dvd torrent , and 1794 for the x86 \ _64 torrent.I 've download ( via bittorrent ) the Fedora releases since Fedora 5 IIRC , and that is the highest number that I 've seen two hours after the release .
Usually there are about 1,000 - 1,500 at this point.So that 's one offhand datapoint.If you want the maximum download speed , I suggest that you start downloading soon .
The numbers start dropping off significantly , though there are usually hundreds of seeders who stick around.Now if only they 'd get the Source DVD 's up !
The delay on these is always annoying</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, two hours or so after the announcement, I see 2279 leechers for the i386 dvd torrent, and 1794 for the x86\_64 torrent.I've download (via bittorrent) the Fedora releases since Fedora 5 IIRC, and that is the highest number that I've seen two hours after the release.
Usually there are about 1,000 - 1,500 at this point.So that's one offhand datapoint.If you want the maximum download speed, I suggest that you start downloading soon.
The numbers start dropping off significantly, though there are usually hundreds of seeders who stick around.Now if only they'd get the Source DVD's up!
The delay on these is always annoying</sentencetext>
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	<title>Red Hat buyout</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244538720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Possibly off-topic, but rumor has it that Red Hat will be bought by a larger company in the near future. While this doesn't have any bearing on product in the near future, it's still interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Possibly off-topic , but rumor has it that Red Hat will be bought by a larger company in the near future .
While this does n't have any bearing on product in the near future , it 's still interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possibly off-topic, but rumor has it that Red Hat will be bought by a larger company in the near future.
While this doesn't have any bearing on product in the near future, it's still interesting.</sentencetext>
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