<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_09_1422200</id>
	<title>Security Flaw Hits VAserv; Head of LxLabs Found Hanged</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244558940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Keldrin\_1 writes <i>"The discovery of 24 security vulnerabilities <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/09/lxlabs\_funder\_death/">may have contributed to the death</a> of the chief of LxLabs.  A flaw in the company's HyperVM software <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/08/webhost\_attack/">allowed data on 100,000 sites, all hosted by VAserv, to be destroyed</a>. The HyperVM solution is popular with cheap web hosting services and <a href="http://isc.sans.org/">the attacks are easy to reproduce</a>, which could lead to further incidents."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keldrin \ _1 writes " The discovery of 24 security vulnerabilities may have contributed to the death of the chief of LxLabs .
A flaw in the company 's HyperVM software allowed data on 100,000 sites , all hosted by VAserv , to be destroyed .
The HyperVM solution is popular with cheap web hosting services and the attacks are easy to reproduce , which could lead to further incidents .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keldrin\_1 writes "The discovery of 24 security vulnerabilities may have contributed to the death of the chief of LxLabs.
A flaw in the company's HyperVM software allowed data on 100,000 sites, all hosted by VAserv, to be destroyed.
The HyperVM solution is popular with cheap web hosting services and the attacks are easy to reproduce, which could lead to further incidents.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267189</id>
	<title>Re:I'm a VAserv customer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is the <a href="http://www.vaserv.com/" title="vaserv.com" rel="nofollow">status page</a> [vaserv.com], for anyone who is interested.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is the status page [ vaserv.com ] , for anyone who is interested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is the status page [vaserv.com], for anyone who is interested.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266413</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266285</id>
	<title>Re:It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244564880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would certainly be possible to pass on the trait if suicide tended to happen around or after the age when one would have children.</p><p>And in this case, that is what happened.</p><p>His *mother* killed herself... but only after having had and raised at least two children. Both of whom went on to kill themselves.</p><p>You would not expect such a genetic defect (trait towards suicide) to be common, given its maladaptive nature, and it is not. That is how genetic defects work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would certainly be possible to pass on the trait if suicide tended to happen around or after the age when one would have children.And in this case , that is what happened.His * mother * killed herself... but only after having had and raised at least two children .
Both of whom went on to kill themselves.You would not expect such a genetic defect ( trait towards suicide ) to be common , given its maladaptive nature , and it is not .
That is how genetic defects work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would certainly be possible to pass on the trait if suicide tended to happen around or after the age when one would have children.And in this case, that is what happened.His *mother* killed herself... but only after having had and raised at least two children.
Both of whom went on to kill themselves.You would not expect such a genetic defect (trait towards suicide) to be common, given its maladaptive nature, and it is not.
That is how genetic defects work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265967</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266551</id>
	<title>Re:Damn...</title>
	<author>barq</author>
	<datestamp>1244566020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Still, how can anyone subscribe for a hosting solution without backup?</p></div><p>Erm, do your own backups?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still , how can anyone subscribe for a hosting solution without backup ? Erm , do your own backups ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still, how can anyone subscribe for a hosting solution without backup?Erm, do your own backups?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265877</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265739</id>
	<title>A head found hanged?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244562780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you hang a head? A head doesn't have a neck let alone a body from which could be hung a rope.
<br>
<br>
TL;DR FAKE, murder set up by M$ and the RIAA. Hope this goes to court.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you hang a head ?
A head does n't have a neck let alone a body from which could be hung a rope .
TL ; DR FAKE , murder set up by M $ and the RIAA .
Hope this goes to court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you hang a head?
A head doesn't have a neck let alone a body from which could be hung a rope.
TL;DR FAKE, murder set up by M$ and the RIAA.
Hope this goes to court.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28273787</id>
	<title>And a link to his page</title>
	<author>omuls are tasty</author>
	<datestamp>1244555880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ligesh has (had) a blog with an <a href="http://ligesh.com/about/" title="ligesh.com">about</a> [ligesh.com] page. Sounds a bit f**** up.</p><p>A number of hosts have been hit by this, see e.g. <a href="http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=866960" title="webhostingtalk.com">this post</a> [webhostingtalk.com] at WHT. The software itself is apparently closed source (i.e. obfuscated source). Based on what I read, it was also quite cheap (speculations were ~50 cents for a single VPS), so most budget VPS providers used it.</p><p>This includes 2host, where I got an account a few days back. A few hours later I got an e-mail saying they disabled the HyperVM panel. Nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ligesh has ( had ) a blog with an about [ ligesh.com ] page .
Sounds a bit f * * * * up.A number of hosts have been hit by this , see e.g .
this post [ webhostingtalk.com ] at WHT .
The software itself is apparently closed source ( i.e .
obfuscated source ) .
Based on what I read , it was also quite cheap ( speculations were ~ 50 cents for a single VPS ) , so most budget VPS providers used it.This includes 2host , where I got an account a few days back .
A few hours later I got an e-mail saying they disabled the HyperVM panel .
Nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ligesh has (had) a blog with an about [ligesh.com] page.
Sounds a bit f**** up.A number of hosts have been hit by this, see e.g.
this post [webhostingtalk.com] at WHT.
The software itself is apparently closed source (i.e.
obfuscated source).
Based on what I read, it was also quite cheap (speculations were ~50 cents for a single VPS), so most budget VPS providers used it.This includes 2host, where I got an account a few days back.
A few hours later I got an e-mail saying they disabled the HyperVM panel.
Nice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267203</id>
	<title>Re:Disrespectful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Killing <em>yourself</em> pretty much removes your right to a lot of sympathy. Lot of people are talking about "honor" like killing yourself is the honorable way out, but really it's not. The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes, not quitting when the road gets hard.</p></div><p>No, this was in fact the honorable way out.</p><p>Vaserv's business is ruined. Countless others are ducking and covering.  He did the honorable thing, and I can't hold any malice against him now. But neither do I weep.</p><p>If only we can get the CEO's of Bear Stearns and Lehman brothers to have this kind of integrity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Killing yourself pretty much removes your right to a lot of sympathy .
Lot of people are talking about " honor " like killing yourself is the honorable way out , but really it 's not .
The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes , not quitting when the road gets hard.No , this was in fact the honorable way out.Vaserv 's business is ruined .
Countless others are ducking and covering .
He did the honorable thing , and I ca n't hold any malice against him now .
But neither do I weep.If only we can get the CEO 's of Bear Stearns and Lehman brothers to have this kind of integrity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Killing yourself pretty much removes your right to a lot of sympathy.
Lot of people are talking about "honor" like killing yourself is the honorable way out, but really it's not.
The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes, not quitting when the road gets hard.No, this was in fact the honorable way out.Vaserv's business is ruined.
Countless others are ducking and covering.
He did the honorable thing, and I can't hold any malice against him now.
But neither do I weep.If only we can get the CEO's of Bear Stearns and Lehman brothers to have this kind of integrity.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266449</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28308869</id>
	<title>Re:Well... no</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244824200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm guys have you looked at their website, more specifically their fora? This is your run-of-the-mill half-assed Indian company. The website is low-quality, full of stock photos and phony hindu english. When I read the summary I thought 'poor guy' but seriously, have a look at the messages there, the language is *very* tense, feature requests go unanswered for months, bugs go unfixed... I would go as far as suggesting that the breach was orchestrated by one of their very angry customers. This is a company that boasts about world-class stability software, latest version has over 200 new features! Give me a break, it screams CHEAP and BOGUS all over. They are playing way out of their league hosting 1e5 websites.</p><p>If you are hosting that many sites (probably about shitty industries too) then go for some real world-class software made in first world countries (where no matter what you do, you can't get away with too much crap) and pay three or four world-class hackers to pull it together, even if you cannot or do not want to pay for the software and everything is pirated, it's okay, you are in India after all. These guys deserved the breach. These companies should never form and operate in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm guys have you looked at their website , more specifically their fora ?
This is your run-of-the-mill half-assed Indian company .
The website is low-quality , full of stock photos and phony hindu english .
When I read the summary I thought 'poor guy ' but seriously , have a look at the messages there , the language is * very * tense , feature requests go unanswered for months , bugs go unfixed... I would go as far as suggesting that the breach was orchestrated by one of their very angry customers .
This is a company that boasts about world-class stability software , latest version has over 200 new features !
Give me a break , it screams CHEAP and BOGUS all over .
They are playing way out of their league hosting 1e5 websites.If you are hosting that many sites ( probably about shitty industries too ) then go for some real world-class software made in first world countries ( where no matter what you do , you ca n't get away with too much crap ) and pay three or four world-class hackers to pull it together , even if you can not or do not want to pay for the software and everything is pirated , it 's okay , you are in India after all .
These guys deserved the breach .
These companies should never form and operate in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm guys have you looked at their website, more specifically their fora?
This is your run-of-the-mill half-assed Indian company.
The website is low-quality, full of stock photos and phony hindu english.
When I read the summary I thought 'poor guy' but seriously, have a look at the messages there, the language is *very* tense, feature requests go unanswered for months, bugs go unfixed... I would go as far as suggesting that the breach was orchestrated by one of their very angry customers.
This is a company that boasts about world-class stability software, latest version has over 200 new features!
Give me a break, it screams CHEAP and BOGUS all over.
They are playing way out of their league hosting 1e5 websites.If you are hosting that many sites (probably about shitty industries too) then go for some real world-class software made in first world countries (where no matter what you do, you can't get away with too much crap) and pay three or four world-class hackers to pull it together, even if you cannot or do not want to pay for the software and everything is pirated, it's okay, you are in India after all.
These guys deserved the breach.
These companies should never form and operate in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266353</id>
	<title>Re:There's yer problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe it was a lot cheaper, this is the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe it was a lot cheaper , this is the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe it was a lot cheaper, this is the internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266449</id>
	<title>Re:Disrespectful</title>
	<author>SatanicPuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1244565660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Killing <em>yourself</em> pretty much removes your right to a lot of sympathy. Lot of people are talking about "honor" like killing yourself is the honorable way out, but really it's not. The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes, not quitting when the road gets hard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Killing yourself pretty much removes your right to a lot of sympathy .
Lot of people are talking about " honor " like killing yourself is the honorable way out , but really it 's not .
The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes , not quitting when the road gets hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Killing yourself pretty much removes your right to a lot of sympathy.
Lot of people are talking about "honor" like killing yourself is the honorable way out, but really it's not.
The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes, not quitting when the road gets hard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266237</id>
	<title>Re:Hackers = murderers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244564580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You got a point there, AC.  IF this were US based, they might be able to prosecute the hackers for murder.  We were able to prosecute some lady for hacking when she harassed a little girl to the point of suicide.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You got a point there , AC .
IF this were US based , they might be able to prosecute the hackers for murder .
We were able to prosecute some lady for hacking when she harassed a little girl to the point of suicide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You got a point there, AC.
IF this were US based, they might be able to prosecute the hackers for murder.
We were able to prosecute some lady for hacking when she harassed a little girl to the point of suicide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266071</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266037</id>
	<title>Disrespectful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it is quite disturbing with all of the disrespectful comments on this article. I could Mod some of this, but not all of it. The guy obviously hit hard times with death of two family members by suicide and the tanking of his company. It is clear he had depression in his family and was not able to bear all of this hitting him. It is sickening that so many of you think it is a joke.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is quite disturbing with all of the disrespectful comments on this article .
I could Mod some of this , but not all of it .
The guy obviously hit hard times with death of two family members by suicide and the tanking of his company .
It is clear he had depression in his family and was not able to bear all of this hitting him .
It is sickening that so many of you think it is a joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is quite disturbing with all of the disrespectful comments on this article.
I could Mod some of this, but not all of it.
The guy obviously hit hard times with death of two family members by suicide and the tanking of his company.
It is clear he had depression in his family and was not able to bear all of this hitting him.
It is sickening that so many of you think it is a joke.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267491</id>
	<title>Re:Woah.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244569020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are there enough chairs left in the building to use?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are there enough chairs left in the building to use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are there enough chairs left in the building to use?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265949</id>
	<title>Oblig</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess he took the Six Sigma "black belt" literally.</p><p>Yeah, I feel guilty for that one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess he took the Six Sigma " black belt " literally.Yeah , I feel guilty for that one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess he took the Six Sigma "black belt" literally.Yeah, I feel guilty for that one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267905</id>
	<title>Re:It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>argiedot</author>
	<datestamp>1244570820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Culturally, Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibility...</p></div><p>As far as I know, it doesn't work this way. If his death would have restored to life all those servers, \_then\_ maybe it would be considered The Right Thing To Do&#194;&#174;. However, committing suicide for having failed your customers is neither the norm nor encouraged.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Culturally , Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibility...As far as I know , it does n't work this way .
If his death would have restored to life all those servers , \ _then \ _ maybe it would be considered The Right Thing To Do     .
However , committing suicide for having failed your customers is neither the norm nor encouraged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Culturally, Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibility...As far as I know, it doesn't work this way.
If his death would have restored to life all those servers, \_then\_ maybe it would be considered The Right Thing To DoÂ®.
However, committing suicide for having failed your customers is neither the norm nor encouraged.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265925</id>
	<title>Sad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm really sad that he hanged himself.  Even if he was a total douche-bag (and I have no idea either way), this wasn't a reason for someone to die.</p><p>But by killing himself, he likely devastated a amily who loved him.</p><p>At the very least, he should have resigned.  If he felt the need to make amends, he could have dedicated his remaining life to teaching, serving the poor and oppressed, or generally living a quiet life where he helped the people around him.</p><p>For him to judge that his life was such a failure that he had to rob himself and the world of his remaining years seems like a tragic mistake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm really sad that he hanged himself .
Even if he was a total douche-bag ( and I have no idea either way ) , this was n't a reason for someone to die.But by killing himself , he likely devastated a amily who loved him.At the very least , he should have resigned .
If he felt the need to make amends , he could have dedicated his remaining life to teaching , serving the poor and oppressed , or generally living a quiet life where he helped the people around him.For him to judge that his life was such a failure that he had to rob himself and the world of his remaining years seems like a tragic mistake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm really sad that he hanged himself.
Even if he was a total douche-bag (and I have no idea either way), this wasn't a reason for someone to die.But by killing himself, he likely devastated a amily who loved him.At the very least, he should have resigned.
If he felt the need to make amends, he could have dedicated his remaining life to teaching, serving the poor and oppressed, or generally living a quiet life where he helped the people around him.For him to judge that his life was such a failure that he had to rob himself and the world of his remaining years seems like a tragic mistake.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266227</id>
	<title>Darkie shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244564520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what you get for buying shoddy rubbish churned out in a sweat shop by darkies. Stick to what is best, white-man's work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what you get for buying shoddy rubbish churned out in a sweat shop by darkies .
Stick to what is best , white-man 's work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what you get for buying shoddy rubbish churned out in a sweat shop by darkies.
Stick to what is best, white-man's work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266677</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Deanalator</author>
	<datestamp>1244566320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a bit different when you are the founder of the company, and you see your life's work get destroyed overnight.  Piled on that, I understand that he just lost out on some massive contract, and has been dealing with personal issues since him mother recently killed herself.  This is definitely not a case of someone simply drinking a bit too much of the company cool-aid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit different when you are the founder of the company , and you see your life 's work get destroyed overnight .
Piled on that , I understand that he just lost out on some massive contract , and has been dealing with personal issues since him mother recently killed herself .
This is definitely not a case of someone simply drinking a bit too much of the company cool-aid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit different when you are the founder of the company, and you see your life's work get destroyed overnight.
Piled on that, I understand that he just lost out on some massive contract, and has been dealing with personal issues since him mother recently killed herself.
This is definitely not a case of someone simply drinking a bit too much of the company cool-aid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266503</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28271957</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244543700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De\_mortuis\_nil\_nisi\_bonum</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De \ _mortuis \ _nil \ _nisi \ _bonum</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De\_mortuis\_nil\_nisi\_bonum</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265737</id>
	<title>There's yer problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244562720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA:<blockquote><div><p>Some 50 percent of Vaserv's customers signed up for unmanaged service, which doesn't include data backup...</p></div></blockquote><p>

Why? Why!?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Some 50 percent of Vaserv 's customers signed up for unmanaged service , which does n't include data backup.. . Why ? Why !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:Some 50 percent of Vaserv's customers signed up for unmanaged service, which doesn't include data backup...

Why? Why!
?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea, Jesus. Someone take their job a little too seriously?</p><p>If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job, it's time to get a new job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea , Jesus .
Someone take their job a little too seriously ? If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job , it 's time to get a new job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea, Jesus.
Someone take their job a little too seriously?If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job, it's time to get a new job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265771</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266385</id>
	<title>Re:It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like homosexuality, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like homosexuality , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like homosexuality, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266325</id>
	<title>Woah.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can you imagine if a Microsoft executive hung himself every time a vulnerability was discovered in Windows that led to data loss?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you imagine if a Microsoft executive hung himself every time a vulnerability was discovered in Windows that led to data loss ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you imagine if a Microsoft executive hung himself every time a vulnerability was discovered in Windows that led to data loss?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28293553</id>
	<title>Re:Summary of Vunerabilities</title>
	<author>decrypted08</author>
	<datestamp>1244734200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Summary from <a href="http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880" title="milw0rm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880</a> [milw0rm.com] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks.</p><p>
   Timeline<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:</p><p>
   05/21/2009 - sent initial email to vendor with a link to a private

                resource for viewing various kloxo hiab575

                vulnerability info

   05/23/2009 - received the following: "Thanks for the info. I will

                review this and let you know." (no signature)

   05/30/2009 - sent an email asking if there were any updates

   06/01/2009 - received the following: "Sorry for the delay. I am

                currently looking into this, and will reply in a couple

                of hours time." (no signature)

   06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor, and the private resource

                containing the vulnerability info still does not

                appear to have been accessed</p><p>
   2 weeks have passed since the initial notification. Vendor appears

   uninterested.</p><p>
   ISSUE  1 - uid/gid reuse

   ISSUE  2 - unprivileged port use

   ISSUE  3 - default passwords

   ISSUE  4 - useradd string in the process list

   ISSUE  5 - XSS

   ISSUE  6 - remotely create partially user controlled file names

              and directories. Locally append uncontrolled data to

              any file

   ISSUE  7 - local users can take control of any file or directory

   ISSUE  8 - local users can take control of any file or directory

   ISSUE  9 - local users can overwrite any file on the box

   ISSUE  10 - yet another symlink attack for local users

   ISSUE  11 - metachar injection, local command execution as root

   ISSUE  12 - web stats world readable password hashes

   ISSUE  13 - local users can overwrite any file on the box

   ISSUE  14 - metachar injection, local command execution as root

   ISSUE  15 - remotely block any - or every - IP addr in hosts.deny

   ISSUE  16 - remote CPU and mem usage DoS

   ISSUE  17 - local users can truncate and control any file

   ISSUE  18 - just 2 more symlinks to own any file on the box

   ISSUE  19 - file manager, view and edit any file

   ISSUE  20 - file manager PT II

   ISSUE  21 - file manager PT III

   ISSUE  22 - local user symlink attack

   ISSUE  23 - local user symlink attack (last one)

   ISSUE  24 - sql injection in the "Forgot Password" form</p></div><p>LMAO! can you say botnet material?  That network was like a hackers playground.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Summary from http : //www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880 [ milw0rm.com ] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks .
Timeline : 05/21/2009 - sent initial email to vendor with a link to a private resource for viewing various kloxo hiab575 vulnerability info 05/23/2009 - received the following : " Thanks for the info .
I will review this and let you know .
" ( no signature ) 05/30/2009 - sent an email asking if there were any updates 06/01/2009 - received the following : " Sorry for the delay .
I am currently looking into this , and will reply in a couple of hours time .
" ( no signature ) 06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor , and the private resource containing the vulnerability info still does not appear to have been accessed 2 weeks have passed since the initial notification .
Vendor appears uninterested .
ISSUE 1 - uid/gid reuse ISSUE 2 - unprivileged port use ISSUE 3 - default passwords ISSUE 4 - useradd string in the process list ISSUE 5 - XSS ISSUE 6 - remotely create partially user controlled file names and directories .
Locally append uncontrolled data to any file ISSUE 7 - local users can take control of any file or directory ISSUE 8 - local users can take control of any file or directory ISSUE 9 - local users can overwrite any file on the box ISSUE 10 - yet another symlink attack for local users ISSUE 11 - metachar injection , local command execution as root ISSUE 12 - web stats world readable password hashes ISSUE 13 - local users can overwrite any file on the box ISSUE 14 - metachar injection , local command execution as root ISSUE 15 - remotely block any - or every - IP addr in hosts.deny ISSUE 16 - remote CPU and mem usage DoS ISSUE 17 - local users can truncate and control any file ISSUE 18 - just 2 more symlinks to own any file on the box ISSUE 19 - file manager , view and edit any file ISSUE 20 - file manager PT II ISSUE 21 - file manager PT III ISSUE 22 - local user symlink attack ISSUE 23 - local user symlink attack ( last one ) ISSUE 24 - sql injection in the " Forgot Password " formLMAO !
can you say botnet material ?
That network was like a hackers playground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Summary from http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880 [milw0rm.com] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks.
Timeline :
   05/21/2009 - sent initial email to vendor with a link to a private

                resource for viewing various kloxo hiab575

                vulnerability info

   05/23/2009 - received the following: "Thanks for the info.
I will

                review this and let you know.
" (no signature)

   05/30/2009 - sent an email asking if there were any updates

   06/01/2009 - received the following: "Sorry for the delay.
I am

                currently looking into this, and will reply in a couple

                of hours time.
" (no signature)

   06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor, and the private resource

                containing the vulnerability info still does not

                appear to have been accessed
   2 weeks have passed since the initial notification.
Vendor appears

   uninterested.
ISSUE  1 - uid/gid reuse

   ISSUE  2 - unprivileged port use

   ISSUE  3 - default passwords

   ISSUE  4 - useradd string in the process list

   ISSUE  5 - XSS

   ISSUE  6 - remotely create partially user controlled file names

              and directories.
Locally append uncontrolled data to

              any file

   ISSUE  7 - local users can take control of any file or directory

   ISSUE  8 - local users can take control of any file or directory

   ISSUE  9 - local users can overwrite any file on the box

   ISSUE  10 - yet another symlink attack for local users

   ISSUE  11 - metachar injection, local command execution as root

   ISSUE  12 - web stats world readable password hashes

   ISSUE  13 - local users can overwrite any file on the box

   ISSUE  14 - metachar injection, local command execution as root

   ISSUE  15 - remotely block any - or every - IP addr in hosts.deny

   ISSUE  16 - remote CPU and mem usage DoS

   ISSUE  17 - local users can truncate and control any file

   ISSUE  18 - just 2 more symlinks to own any file on the box

   ISSUE  19 - file manager, view and edit any file

   ISSUE  20 - file manager PT II

   ISSUE  21 - file manager PT III

   ISSUE  22 - local user symlink attack

   ISSUE  23 - local user symlink attack (last one)

   ISSUE  24 - sql injection in the "Forgot Password" formLMAO!
can you say botnet material?
That network was like a hackers playground.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267053</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265771</id>
	<title>Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244562840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's one way to dodge all those bug reports...</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's one way to dodge all those bug reports.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's one way to dodge all those bug reports...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265957</id>
	<title>Good Riddance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now if we could get all those Indian telemarketers and support people to do the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if we could get all those Indian telemarketers and support people to do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if we could get all those Indian telemarketers and support people to do the same.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267195</id>
	<title>Re:Disrespectful</title>
	<author>AioKits</author>
	<datestamp>1244567940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes, not quitting when the road gets hard.</p></div><p>I suspect it's much easier to say this when you're not the one having to travel that road.  No offense to you is implied by this observation Mr SatanicPuppy, but from a smaller degree of personal experience, it is easier said than done.  The depression I entered after my brother's death (sorry, no details for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.) has had some long lasting effects on me, even if it was 11 years, 7 months and 2 days, 15 hours, 30 minutes ago.<br>
<br>
Not saying I disagree, but still, easier said than done.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes , not quitting when the road gets hard.I suspect it 's much easier to say this when you 're not the one having to travel that road .
No offense to you is implied by this observation Mr SatanicPuppy , but from a smaller degree of personal experience , it is easier said than done .
The depression I entered after my brother 's death ( sorry , no details for / .
) has had some long lasting effects on me , even if it was 11 years , 7 months and 2 days , 15 hours , 30 minutes ago .
Not saying I disagree , but still , easier said than done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes, not quitting when the road gets hard.I suspect it's much easier to say this when you're not the one having to travel that road.
No offense to you is implied by this observation Mr SatanicPuppy, but from a smaller degree of personal experience, it is easier said than done.
The depression I entered after my brother's death (sorry, no details for /.
) has had some long lasting effects on me, even if it was 11 years, 7 months and 2 days, 15 hours, 30 minutes ago.
Not saying I disagree, but still, easier said than done.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266449</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267653</id>
	<title>Hey Ballmer!</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1244569680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Read TFA!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Read TFA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read TFA!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266071</id>
	<title>Hackers = murderers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure this guy was already unstable but can't help but believe that the attacks were what finally pushed him over the edge.  Legally this would be difficult to prosecute as murder but morally those little script kiddies who so impressed with themselves should consider the unintended consequences of their actions.  We are all responsible for our own actions (suicide) but should be equally concerned with how our actions affect others (hackers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure this guy was already unstable but ca n't help but believe that the attacks were what finally pushed him over the edge .
Legally this would be difficult to prosecute as murder but morally those little script kiddies who so impressed with themselves should consider the unintended consequences of their actions .
We are all responsible for our own actions ( suicide ) but should be equally concerned with how our actions affect others ( hackers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure this guy was already unstable but can't help but believe that the attacks were what finally pushed him over the edge.
Legally this would be difficult to prosecute as murder but morally those little script kiddies who so impressed with themselves should consider the unintended consequences of their actions.
We are all responsible for our own actions (suicide) but should be equally concerned with how our actions affect others (hackers).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28288835</id>
	<title>Re:There's yer problem...</title>
	<author>LVSlushdat</author>
	<datestamp>1244650680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a vps hosted by fsckvps, one of Vaserv's sister companies, which was deleted by this exploit from the host machine it ran on. I'm in pretty good shape since I had a vpn between the vps and one of my internal machines with a cron job each night that backed the mysql database, which is the only part of the system that would be a real pain to recreate. I'd considered using the full vps backup manager that the HyperVM console had, to backup the entire vps periodically, but the only way to get the resultant tarball off their backup node was via ftp.. Since I don't run an ftp server on my internal server, and don't intend to, I gave up on a full backup of the vps. I couldn't even scp the tarbar down my vpn, since it was on a different server, which as I understand, was ALSO hacked and files were deleted.. I feel sorry for the guys who were relying on those backups to rebuild their vps...<br>I'd asked if it were possible to get access to the resultant backup tarballs and copy into one's own vps and copy/move from there to a safe off-site location, but no one from management ever responded to my question... Still waiting for a replacement vps from them, figure I'll stay with them, since, besides this issue, they've been awesome...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a vps hosted by fsckvps , one of Vaserv 's sister companies , which was deleted by this exploit from the host machine it ran on .
I 'm in pretty good shape since I had a vpn between the vps and one of my internal machines with a cron job each night that backed the mysql database , which is the only part of the system that would be a real pain to recreate .
I 'd considered using the full vps backup manager that the HyperVM console had , to backup the entire vps periodically , but the only way to get the resultant tarball off their backup node was via ftp.. Since I do n't run an ftp server on my internal server , and do n't intend to , I gave up on a full backup of the vps .
I could n't even scp the tarbar down my vpn , since it was on a different server , which as I understand , was ALSO hacked and files were deleted.. I feel sorry for the guys who were relying on those backups to rebuild their vps...I 'd asked if it were possible to get access to the resultant backup tarballs and copy into one 's own vps and copy/move from there to a safe off-site location , but no one from management ever responded to my question... Still waiting for a replacement vps from them , figure I 'll stay with them , since , besides this issue , they 've been awesome.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a vps hosted by fsckvps, one of Vaserv's sister companies, which was deleted by this exploit from the host machine it ran on.
I'm in pretty good shape since I had a vpn between the vps and one of my internal machines with a cron job each night that backed the mysql database, which is the only part of the system that would be a real pain to recreate.
I'd considered using the full vps backup manager that the HyperVM console had, to backup the entire vps periodically, but the only way to get the resultant tarball off their backup node was via ftp.. Since I don't run an ftp server on my internal server, and don't intend to, I gave up on a full backup of the vps.
I couldn't even scp the tarbar down my vpn, since it was on a different server, which as I understand, was ALSO hacked and files were deleted.. I feel sorry for the guys who were relying on those backups to rebuild their vps...I'd asked if it were possible to get access to the resultant backup tarballs and copy into one's own vps and copy/move from there to a safe off-site location, but no one from management ever responded to my question... Still waiting for a replacement vps from them, figure I'll stay with them, since, besides this issue, they've been awesome...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267709</id>
	<title>Re:It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244569860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use the word "honor" in public, and no one laughs at me, but I don't use it to describe acts like this one. This is just as screwed up a notion of honor as the Japanese have. Killing yourself does not absolve you of anything. It does not help anyone. It is at best a gesture, and at worst simple escapism.</p><p>The honorable thing to do would have been to fix the problem in the first place, or build a new version from scratch, or shut down the project and provide a migration path. The honorable thing to do <i>after</i> the disaster would have been to patch the biggest holes as fast as possible while providing a migration path to another product. The thing about responsibility for negligence or idiocy is that it requires messy things like restitution, even if no one is making you do it. Suicide is ridiculously self-serving by comparison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use the word " honor " in public , and no one laughs at me , but I do n't use it to describe acts like this one .
This is just as screwed up a notion of honor as the Japanese have .
Killing yourself does not absolve you of anything .
It does not help anyone .
It is at best a gesture , and at worst simple escapism.The honorable thing to do would have been to fix the problem in the first place , or build a new version from scratch , or shut down the project and provide a migration path .
The honorable thing to do after the disaster would have been to patch the biggest holes as fast as possible while providing a migration path to another product .
The thing about responsibility for negligence or idiocy is that it requires messy things like restitution , even if no one is making you do it .
Suicide is ridiculously self-serving by comparison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use the word "honor" in public, and no one laughs at me, but I don't use it to describe acts like this one.
This is just as screwed up a notion of honor as the Japanese have.
Killing yourself does not absolve you of anything.
It does not help anyone.
It is at best a gesture, and at worst simple escapism.The honorable thing to do would have been to fix the problem in the first place, or build a new version from scratch, or shut down the project and provide a migration path.
The honorable thing to do after the disaster would have been to patch the biggest holes as fast as possible while providing a migration path to another product.
The thing about responsibility for negligence or idiocy is that it requires messy things like restitution, even if no one is making you do it.
Suicide is ridiculously self-serving by comparison.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266521</id>
	<title>Re:It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, I've never seen that level of dedication to quality in anything touched by an Indian outsourcing provider. It's always a pile of crap that you spent twice as long overspeccing to make sure they didn't mess up, then whatever came back was so broken that you spent twice as long as it would have taken to do it right the first time trying to fix it. You can't just wipe it and start over because whoever the bright bulb was who insisted on outscourcing to begin with will have a lot of political clout invested in not looking like the weenie they actually are.</p><p>Posting anonymously because, well, I'm a coward.. but I speak the truth (as I have seen it).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , I 've never seen that level of dedication to quality in anything touched by an Indian outsourcing provider .
It 's always a pile of crap that you spent twice as long overspeccing to make sure they did n't mess up , then whatever came back was so broken that you spent twice as long as it would have taken to do it right the first time trying to fix it .
You ca n't just wipe it and start over because whoever the bright bulb was who insisted on outscourcing to begin with will have a lot of political clout invested in not looking like the weenie they actually are.Posting anonymously because , well , I 'm a coward.. but I speak the truth ( as I have seen it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, I've never seen that level of dedication to quality in anything touched by an Indian outsourcing provider.
It's always a pile of crap that you spent twice as long overspeccing to make sure they didn't mess up, then whatever came back was so broken that you spent twice as long as it would have taken to do it right the first time trying to fix it.
You can't just wipe it and start over because whoever the bright bulb was who insisted on outscourcing to begin with will have a lot of political clout invested in not looking like the weenie they actually are.Posting anonymously because, well, I'm a coward.. but I speak the truth (as I have seen it).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28270533</id>
	<title>Re:Woah.</title>
	<author>cbraescu1</author>
	<datestamp>1244580360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Such image might be a never-ending source of orgasms for lots of techies, AFAIK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Such image might be a never-ending source of orgasms for lots of techies , AFAIK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such image might be a never-ending source of orgasms for lots of techies, AFAIK</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266427</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Comatose51</author>
	<datestamp>1244565600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed but I think that kind of situation or attitude is more prevalent than we think.  People build their lives around different things.  Their "work" (as in the product of their effort, not as in what they do from 9 to 5) becomes their lives.  This is especially true of the creative types such as artists and writers but also software engineers.  In many ways, software engineering or engineering in general is a hybrid between the arts and the sciences with room for creativity and personal touches.  I work with a good group of engineers who are very passionate about their work, much more so than our paychecks can account for.  I've seen the same passion turn into despair in bad times as well.  Engineers also compound this problem by not being the most social people in the world.  Having a network of people to connect to can really soften the pain when things don't go well.  Most engineers don't commit suicide but the rate of burning out is rather high.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed but I think that kind of situation or attitude is more prevalent than we think .
People build their lives around different things .
Their " work " ( as in the product of their effort , not as in what they do from 9 to 5 ) becomes their lives .
This is especially true of the creative types such as artists and writers but also software engineers .
In many ways , software engineering or engineering in general is a hybrid between the arts and the sciences with room for creativity and personal touches .
I work with a good group of engineers who are very passionate about their work , much more so than our paychecks can account for .
I 've seen the same passion turn into despair in bad times as well .
Engineers also compound this problem by not being the most social people in the world .
Having a network of people to connect to can really soften the pain when things do n't go well .
Most engineers do n't commit suicide but the rate of burning out is rather high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed but I think that kind of situation or attitude is more prevalent than we think.
People build their lives around different things.
Their "work" (as in the product of their effort, not as in what they do from 9 to 5) becomes their lives.
This is especially true of the creative types such as artists and writers but also software engineers.
In many ways, software engineering or engineering in general is a hybrid between the arts and the sciences with room for creativity and personal touches.
I work with a good group of engineers who are very passionate about their work, much more so than our paychecks can account for.
I've seen the same passion turn into despair in bad times as well.
Engineers also compound this problem by not being the most social people in the world.
Having a network of people to connect to can really soften the pain when things don't go well.
Most engineers don't commit suicide but the rate of burning out is rather high.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266861</id>
	<title>Re:Disrespectful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244566920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I despite suicide since it's a cowardly way to get out of your problems.</p><p>I don't feel sympathy for someone who has done it. They did it, they deserve it. I'm not trolling, in fact I'm angry that anyone could feel compassion for someone who doesn't care about his own life. It's bullshit, don't waste your life like that, help people who wants to live at least before thinking about suicide!</p><p>Disrespectful my ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I despite suicide since it 's a cowardly way to get out of your problems.I do n't feel sympathy for someone who has done it .
They did it , they deserve it .
I 'm not trolling , in fact I 'm angry that anyone could feel compassion for someone who does n't care about his own life .
It 's bullshit , do n't waste your life like that , help people who wants to live at least before thinking about suicide ! Disrespectful my ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I despite suicide since it's a cowardly way to get out of your problems.I don't feel sympathy for someone who has done it.
They did it, they deserve it.
I'm not trolling, in fact I'm angry that anyone could feel compassion for someone who doesn't care about his own life.
It's bullshit, don't waste your life like that, help people who wants to live at least before thinking about suicide!Disrespectful my ass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266037</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266939</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of fixing problems, this guy was just hanging around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of fixing problems , this guy was just hanging around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of fixing problems, this guy was just hanging around.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265731</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28268105</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>e40</author>
	<datestamp>1244571540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a gross oversimplification.  People don't kill themselves over their job.  They kill themselves because they are mentally ill.  The job wasn't the cause.  The lack of proportion and perspective was the cause.  The job was incidental.</p><p>In this particular case, the guy's mother and sister committed suicide.  There are much higher rates of suicide among people who have relatives who have also committed suicide.  That, with the isolation he appears to have suffered from, the job is looking not that significant, at most some sort of trigger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a gross oversimplification .
People do n't kill themselves over their job .
They kill themselves because they are mentally ill. The job was n't the cause .
The lack of proportion and perspective was the cause .
The job was incidental.In this particular case , the guy 's mother and sister committed suicide .
There are much higher rates of suicide among people who have relatives who have also committed suicide .
That , with the isolation he appears to have suffered from , the job is looking not that significant , at most some sort of trigger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a gross oversimplification.
People don't kill themselves over their job.
They kill themselves because they are mentally ill.  The job wasn't the cause.
The lack of proportion and perspective was the cause.
The job was incidental.In this particular case, the guy's mother and sister committed suicide.
There are much higher rates of suicide among people who have relatives who have also committed suicide.
That, with the isolation he appears to have suffered from, the job is looking not that significant, at most some sort of trigger.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28268375</id>
	<title>BACKUPS???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244572500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm having a hard time understanding why this wasn't recoverable.  Some would say the only good feature of running a VM is statefull snapshots.<br>Of all the servers i run the only ones that are running in VM's are because the client wanted to be able to snapshot the whole deal while running as often as hourly so recovery was as simple as resuming an earlier backup snapshot.  To me this is one of the only good things about VM's and in their instance it was worth the performance issues.</p><p>Were there no backup's?  Someone was running over 100,000 VM's and not even a weekly backup?  I find this odd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm having a hard time understanding why this was n't recoverable .
Some would say the only good feature of running a VM is statefull snapshots.Of all the servers i run the only ones that are running in VM 's are because the client wanted to be able to snapshot the whole deal while running as often as hourly so recovery was as simple as resuming an earlier backup snapshot .
To me this is one of the only good things about VM 's and in their instance it was worth the performance issues.Were there no backup 's ?
Someone was running over 100,000 VM 's and not even a weekly backup ?
I find this odd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm having a hard time understanding why this wasn't recoverable.
Some would say the only good feature of running a VM is statefull snapshots.Of all the servers i run the only ones that are running in VM's are because the client wanted to be able to snapshot the whole deal while running as often as hourly so recovery was as simple as resuming an earlier backup snapshot.
To me this is one of the only good things about VM's and in their instance it was worth the performance issues.Were there no backup's?
Someone was running over 100,000 VM's and not even a weekly backup?
I find this odd.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28271409</id>
	<title>What.. what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244541000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean David Carridine was not only tied up and in the closet in Bangkok, but he was ALSO the CEO of LxLabs?!</p><p>wow.. small world!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean David Carridine was not only tied up and in the closet in Bangkok , but he was ALSO the CEO of LxLabs ? ! wow. .
small world !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean David Carridine was not only tied up and in the closet in Bangkok, but he was ALSO the CEO of LxLabs?!wow..
small world!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28288605</id>
	<title>Re:There's yer problem...</title>
	<author>turbidostato</author>
	<datestamp>1244648280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Some 50 percent of Vaserv's customers signed up for unmanaged service, which doesn't include data backup...<br>
&nbsp; Why? Why!?"</p><p>Because those that signed the backup plan lost all their data just the same, only they paid more for the privilege.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Some 50 percent of Vaserv 's customers signed up for unmanaged service , which does n't include data backup.. .   Why ?
Why ! ? " Because those that signed the backup plan lost all their data just the same , only they paid more for the privilege .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Some 50 percent of Vaserv's customers signed up for unmanaged service, which doesn't include data backup...
  Why?
Why!?"Because those that signed the backup plan lost all their data just the same, only they paid more for the privilege.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265839</id>
	<title>It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1244563140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>His sister and mother both committed suicide by hanging 5 years ago. He may have had a genetic propensity towards suicide.</p><p>Culturally, Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibility. The failure of the software is only the outermost layer of true damage. Each of those compromised VMs is a failure to satisfy a customer at best, and a grave violation of the trust between vendor and customer.</p><p>When it comes to suicide, why hanging? It seems like a really hard way to go. Maybe the person wants to suffer to pay back his debts before death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>His sister and mother both committed suicide by hanging 5 years ago .
He may have had a genetic propensity towards suicide.Culturally , Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibility .
The failure of the software is only the outermost layer of true damage .
Each of those compromised VMs is a failure to satisfy a customer at best , and a grave violation of the trust between vendor and customer.When it comes to suicide , why hanging ?
It seems like a really hard way to go .
Maybe the person wants to suffer to pay back his debts before death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His sister and mother both committed suicide by hanging 5 years ago.
He may have had a genetic propensity towards suicide.Culturally, Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibility.
The failure of the software is only the outermost layer of true damage.
Each of those compromised VMs is a failure to satisfy a customer at best, and a grave violation of the trust between vendor and customer.When it comes to suicide, why hanging?
It seems like a really hard way to go.
Maybe the person wants to suffer to pay back his debts before death.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266103</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244564040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Killing myself is my job, you insensitive clod!</p><p>(I work at a cult and I'm the virgin sacrifice on Thursdays [cause no one on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. would believe me if I said I was not a virgin])</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Killing myself is my job , you insensitive clod !
( I work at a cult and I 'm the virgin sacrifice on Thursdays [ cause no one on / .
would believe me if I said I was not a virgin ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Killing myself is my job, you insensitive clod!
(I work at a cult and I'm the virgin sacrifice on Thursdays [cause no one on /.
would believe me if I said I was not a virgin])</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28272809</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244548680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are two lines of thought going through my head right now:</p><p>1) I congratulate him on his ability and character of self to take responsibility for his actions. (In the Sepuku sense of the meaning) Its courageous to do such a thing. Though I don't believe his actions should directly result in his own death, other lives aren't at stake.(Livelihoods yes, but there are always more jobs. It may be tough for a while, but it can and will eventually get better)</p><p>2) I am also deeply saddened. TFA speaks about his mother and sister both committed suicide as well not 6 months earlier. All he had left was his crappy job, which sadly ended up really bad. To him, that was his only way out. I don't believe the act itself at the company caused it, I think it was just the final catalyst he needed. I've been to that point, if something serious like this happened on top of everything else.. I may not be here today. (At least in my case, It couldn't of gone down further, trust me, it couldn't)</p><p>All in all, this is really saddening news on a personal level. I have a great amount of pity and sorrow for the loss of his life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two lines of thought going through my head right now : 1 ) I congratulate him on his ability and character of self to take responsibility for his actions .
( In the Sepuku sense of the meaning ) Its courageous to do such a thing .
Though I do n't believe his actions should directly result in his own death , other lives are n't at stake .
( Livelihoods yes , but there are always more jobs .
It may be tough for a while , but it can and will eventually get better ) 2 ) I am also deeply saddened .
TFA speaks about his mother and sister both committed suicide as well not 6 months earlier .
All he had left was his crappy job , which sadly ended up really bad .
To him , that was his only way out .
I do n't believe the act itself at the company caused it , I think it was just the final catalyst he needed .
I 've been to that point , if something serious like this happened on top of everything else.. I may not be here today .
( At least in my case , It could n't of gone down further , trust me , it could n't ) All in all , this is really saddening news on a personal level .
I have a great amount of pity and sorrow for the loss of his life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two lines of thought going through my head right now:1) I congratulate him on his ability and character of self to take responsibility for his actions.
(In the Sepuku sense of the meaning) Its courageous to do such a thing.
Though I don't believe his actions should directly result in his own death, other lives aren't at stake.
(Livelihoods yes, but there are always more jobs.
It may be tough for a while, but it can and will eventually get better)2) I am also deeply saddened.
TFA speaks about his mother and sister both committed suicide as well not 6 months earlier.
All he had left was his crappy job, which sadly ended up really bad.
To him, that was his only way out.
I don't believe the act itself at the company caused it, I think it was just the final catalyst he needed.
I've been to that point, if something serious like this happened on top of everything else.. I may not be here today.
(At least in my case, It couldn't of gone down further, trust me, it couldn't)All in all, this is really saddening news on a personal level.
I have a great amount of pity and sorrow for the loss of his life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28277689</id>
	<title>Re:Summary of Vunerabilities</title>
	<author>NotQuiteInsane</author>
	<datestamp>1244637840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect the main issue was more that they didn't even bother to download the exploit data while it was still private, even to take a peek for curiosity's sake:</p><p>06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor, and the private resource containing the vulnerability info still does not appear to have been accessed</p><p>It doesn't take two WEEKS to grab a text file off a HTTP server and have a quick skim through it. The problem wasn't that they were trying to fix it, it was that they didn't WANT to fix it, and were probably hoping that they could make the problem go away simply by ignoring the security bod. The "Ostrich" solution, in other words.</p><p>(Although ostriches don't actually bury their heads in the sand, but that's OT for this thread...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect the main issue was more that they did n't even bother to download the exploit data while it was still private , even to take a peek for curiosity 's sake : 06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor , and the private resource containing the vulnerability info still does not appear to have been accessedIt does n't take two WEEKS to grab a text file off a HTTP server and have a quick skim through it .
The problem was n't that they were trying to fix it , it was that they did n't WANT to fix it , and were probably hoping that they could make the problem go away simply by ignoring the security bod .
The " Ostrich " solution , in other words .
( Although ostriches do n't actually bury their heads in the sand , but that 's OT for this thread... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect the main issue was more that they didn't even bother to download the exploit data while it was still private, even to take a peek for curiosity's sake:06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor, and the private resource containing the vulnerability info still does not appear to have been accessedIt doesn't take two WEEKS to grab a text file off a HTTP server and have a quick skim through it.
The problem wasn't that they were trying to fix it, it was that they didn't WANT to fix it, and were probably hoping that they could make the problem go away simply by ignoring the security bod.
The "Ostrich" solution, in other words.
(Although ostriches don't actually bury their heads in the sand, but that's OT for this thread...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265955</id>
	<title>The guys pic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The guys pic</p><p><a href="http://i41.tinypic.com/zjdqgy.jpg" title="tinypic.com">http://i41.tinypic.com/zjdqgy.jpg</a> [tinypic.com]</p><p>RIP</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guys pichttp : //i41.tinypic.com/zjdqgy.jpg [ tinypic.com ] RIP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guys pichttp://i41.tinypic.com/zjdqgy.jpg [tinypic.com]RIP</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28268271</id>
	<title>Heartfelt condolences</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1244572080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My condolences to his family, and the company....this is a sad tragic event.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My condolences to his family , and the company....this is a sad tragic event .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My condolences to his family, and the company....this is a sad tragic event.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267405</id>
	<title>Re:Disrespectful</title>
	<author>east coast</author>
	<datestamp>1244568660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I'd rather see someone step down (not nessacerily kill themselves) when they're in above their head instead of floundering around and taking up precious time that might be used to reverse the course of a business gone out of control. Sticking with it when you know you're not up to the task is letting a lot of other people down when you know better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I 'd rather see someone step down ( not nessacerily kill themselves ) when they 're in above their head instead of floundering around and taking up precious time that might be used to reverse the course of a business gone out of control .
Sticking with it when you know you 're not up to the task is letting a lot of other people down when you know better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I'd rather see someone step down (not nessacerily kill themselves) when they're in above their head instead of floundering around and taking up precious time that might be used to reverse the course of a business gone out of control.
Sticking with it when you know you're not up to the task is letting a lot of other people down when you know better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266449</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28276975</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Sudheer\_BV</author>
	<datestamp>1244629260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He didn't lose any contract. ASAIK, he never did any project business. Newspapers wrote whatever came to their mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He did n't lose any contract .
ASAIK , he never did any project business .
Newspapers wrote whatever came to their mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He didn't lose any contract.
ASAIK, he never did any project business.
Newspapers wrote whatever came to their mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265915</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266083</id>
	<title>Who else?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any idea what other cheap web serving companies are using this tech?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any idea what other cheap web serving companies are using this tech ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any idea what other cheap web serving companies are using this tech?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265757</id>
	<title>um....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244562780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>whoops</htmltext>
<tokenext>whoops</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whoops</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265901</id>
	<title>Suicide?</title>
	<author>pluther</author>
	<datestamp>1244563380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He killed himself just because of massive failures in his company?</p><p>Why can't more CEOs follow his example?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He killed himself just because of massive failures in his company ? Why ca n't more CEOs follow his example ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He killed himself just because of massive failures in his company?Why can't more CEOs follow his example?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265991</id>
	<title>Uh Oh</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1244563620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Antichrist has been made manifest!</p><p>The Illuminati is now eliminating the few members that participated in the summoning of the Zhug Jung Kai entity. Notice that both Carridine and now this poor man have ben hung to prevent the Ruthi spirit escaping their lungs, damning the Ruthi to eternity until the Zhug Jung Kai consumes them.</p><p>With the spawn of evil growing in power it will force the Illuminati to desparate measures. It falls to you adventure to put a stop to this!</p><p>Seek out the Oracle of Shando who currently is posing as Steve Jobs. He will not reval his true self unless you posess the Diamond Apple of Agamerrinon. You can find the Apple in possession of the Dark Obtennebator. He serves his dark master Bill Gate and resides in the Valley of Sorrow on the Mountain of Pain in the Cave of Agony beyond the Doors of Eternal Discomfort. He has occasionally also tried to Ebay the Apple but none seems interested in it for $221,134,110 USD.</p><p>Go now and save us all from Terrorists, Bad Remakes, and watered down soft core from Cinemax!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Antichrist has been made manifest ! The Illuminati is now eliminating the few members that participated in the summoning of the Zhug Jung Kai entity .
Notice that both Carridine and now this poor man have ben hung to prevent the Ruthi spirit escaping their lungs , damning the Ruthi to eternity until the Zhug Jung Kai consumes them.With the spawn of evil growing in power it will force the Illuminati to desparate measures .
It falls to you adventure to put a stop to this ! Seek out the Oracle of Shando who currently is posing as Steve Jobs .
He will not reval his true self unless you posess the Diamond Apple of Agamerrinon .
You can find the Apple in possession of the Dark Obtennebator .
He serves his dark master Bill Gate and resides in the Valley of Sorrow on the Mountain of Pain in the Cave of Agony beyond the Doors of Eternal Discomfort .
He has occasionally also tried to Ebay the Apple but none seems interested in it for $ 221,134,110 USD.Go now and save us all from Terrorists , Bad Remakes , and watered down soft core from Cinemax !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Antichrist has been made manifest!The Illuminati is now eliminating the few members that participated in the summoning of the Zhug Jung Kai entity.
Notice that both Carridine and now this poor man have ben hung to prevent the Ruthi spirit escaping their lungs, damning the Ruthi to eternity until the Zhug Jung Kai consumes them.With the spawn of evil growing in power it will force the Illuminati to desparate measures.
It falls to you adventure to put a stop to this!Seek out the Oracle of Shando who currently is posing as Steve Jobs.
He will not reval his true self unless you posess the Diamond Apple of Agamerrinon.
You can find the Apple in possession of the Dark Obtennebator.
He serves his dark master Bill Gate and resides in the Valley of Sorrow on the Mountain of Pain in the Cave of Agony beyond the Doors of Eternal Discomfort.
He has occasionally also tried to Ebay the Apple but none seems interested in it for $221,134,110 USD.Go now and save us all from Terrorists, Bad Remakes, and watered down soft core from Cinemax!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266893</id>
	<title>Re:There's yer problem...</title>
	<author>Bill, Shooter of Bul</author>
	<datestamp>1244566980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think many people may have been confused as to what they meant by data back up. There are back ups you need in case you delete all of your data accidentally, or want to go back to a previous revision. Those would be back ups due to web host user screw ups. This wasn't a web host user screw up, it was a web host screw up. The users probably didn't consider it a likely occurrence, and may have believed that the web host should be able to fix a problem that they allowed due to their negligence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think many people may have been confused as to what they meant by data back up .
There are back ups you need in case you delete all of your data accidentally , or want to go back to a previous revision .
Those would be back ups due to web host user screw ups .
This was n't a web host user screw up , it was a web host screw up .
The users probably did n't consider it a likely occurrence , and may have believed that the web host should be able to fix a problem that they allowed due to their negligence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think many people may have been confused as to what they meant by data back up.
There are back ups you need in case you delete all of your data accidentally, or want to go back to a previous revision.
Those would be back ups due to web host user screw ups.
This wasn't a web host user screw up, it was a web host screw up.
The users probably didn't consider it a likely occurrence, and may have believed that the web host should be able to fix a problem that they allowed due to their negligence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28271337</id>
	<title>Re:Disrespectful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244540760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I gather about his personality, I have a lot of sympathy for him. </p><p><div class="quote"><p>On his social networking site page, he wrote that his ambition was to kill God and he was an anti-Christ.</p> </div><p>He went for it. Hope he kills him good.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I gather about his personality , I have a lot of sympathy for him .
On his social networking site page , he wrote that his ambition was to kill God and he was an anti-Christ .
He went for it .
Hope he kills him good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I gather about his personality, I have a lot of sympathy for him.
On his social networking site page, he wrote that his ambition was to kill God and he was an anti-Christ.
He went for it.
Hope he kills him good.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266449</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265977</id>
	<title>Re:It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1244563620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Easy, quick, can make a noose out of the nearest curtain cord, certain (if nobody discovers you for a few minutes).<p>I can only wish that despicable people from our own culture would show honor.  But, all that was beaten out of us and now a man who uses a word like 'honor' in public would be giggled at.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy , quick , can make a noose out of the nearest curtain cord , certain ( if nobody discovers you for a few minutes ) .I can only wish that despicable people from our own culture would show honor .
But , all that was beaten out of us and now a man who uses a word like 'honor ' in public would be giggled at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy, quick, can make a noose out of the nearest curtain cord, certain (if nobody discovers you for a few minutes).I can only wish that despicable people from our own culture would show honor.
But, all that was beaten out of us and now a man who uses a word like 'honor' in public would be giggled at.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265917</id>
	<title>potential upside</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hopefully the sites lost were those abandoned blogs, even better if they were active blogs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully the sites lost were those abandoned blogs , even better if they were active blogs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully the sites lost were those abandoned blogs, even better if they were active blogs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265999</id>
	<title>First laugh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>May I be the first to say, "Ahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha!!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>May I be the first to say , " Ahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May I be the first to say, "Ahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha!!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266329</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just a matter of getting another job.  Sometimes it's a matter of realizing that your job....ANY job....does not define you.  As soon as your job becomes the centerpiece of your life, you're setting yourself up for stress.</p><p>It took me years to realize that as long as I have a roof over my head (any roof...not the McMansion that makes you feel better about your life than the poor saps you went to school with....even an apartment is better than a park bench), and my wife and kids have food, I have everything that I need.  If a lower paying, less stress job helps me maintain that, then that's what I'll do.  The job is simply not important.</p><p>I really feel for this guy.  I hope he didn't burden a family with this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just a matter of getting another job .
Sometimes it 's a matter of realizing that your job....ANY job....does not define you .
As soon as your job becomes the centerpiece of your life , you 're setting yourself up for stress.It took me years to realize that as long as I have a roof over my head ( any roof...not the McMansion that makes you feel better about your life than the poor saps you went to school with....even an apartment is better than a park bench ) , and my wife and kids have food , I have everything that I need .
If a lower paying , less stress job helps me maintain that , then that 's what I 'll do .
The job is simply not important.I really feel for this guy .
I hope he did n't burden a family with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just a matter of getting another job.
Sometimes it's a matter of realizing that your job....ANY job....does not define you.
As soon as your job becomes the centerpiece of your life, you're setting yourself up for stress.It took me years to realize that as long as I have a roof over my head (any roof...not the McMansion that makes you feel better about your life than the poor saps you went to school with....even an apartment is better than a park bench), and my wife and kids have food, I have everything that I need.
If a lower paying, less stress job helps me maintain that, then that's what I'll do.
The job is simply not important.I really feel for this guy.
I hope he didn't burden a family with this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266451</id>
	<title>Re:The guys pic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does his tattoo really say "...fucking idiot"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does his tattoo really say " ...fucking idiot " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does his tattoo really say "...fucking idiot"?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28273711</id>
	<title>Re:Woah.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244555220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple would have no competition</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple would have no competition</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple would have no competition</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28268401</id>
	<title>Re:There's yer problem...</title>
	<author>Glendale2x</author>
	<datestamp>1244572560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Lost of customers are cheap bastards; lowest cost hosting wins irrespective of the actual service offered.<br>2) VAserv apparently couldn't be bothered to keep their own disaster recovery backups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Lost of customers are cheap bastards ; lowest cost hosting wins irrespective of the actual service offered.2 ) VAserv apparently could n't be bothered to keep their own disaster recovery backups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Lost of customers are cheap bastards; lowest cost hosting wins irrespective of the actual service offered.2) VAserv apparently couldn't be bothered to keep their own disaster recovery backups.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265967</id>
	<title>Re:It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He may have had a genetic propensity towards suicide.</p></div><p>That would be a very difficult trait to pass to your children. Don't you think?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He may have had a genetic propensity towards suicide.That would be a very difficult trait to pass to your children .
Do n't you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He may have had a genetic propensity towards suicide.That would be a very difficult trait to pass to your children.
Don't you think?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265843</id>
	<title>Disturbed ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244563140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that guy was just disturbed, and the loss of all that info in the 100k sites just increased his illness:<br>
<a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bangalore/Techie-hangs-himself-in-HSR-Layout-/articleshow/4633101.cms" title="indiatimes.com" rel="nofollow">Techie hangs himself in HSR Layout</a> [indiatimes.com]<p><div class="quote"><p>Neighbours confirmed that Ligesh didn't have many friends and didn't interact with anyone. Often, he'd sleep with the house door open. On his social networking site page, he wrote that his ambition was to kill God and he was an anti-Christ.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that guy was just disturbed , and the loss of all that info in the 100k sites just increased his illness : Techie hangs himself in HSR Layout [ indiatimes.com ] Neighbours confirmed that Ligesh did n't have many friends and did n't interact with anyone .
Often , he 'd sleep with the house door open .
On his social networking site page , he wrote that his ambition was to kill God and he was an anti-Christ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that guy was just disturbed, and the loss of all that info in the 100k sites just increased his illness:
Techie hangs himself in HSR Layout [indiatimes.com]Neighbours confirmed that Ligesh didn't have many friends and didn't interact with anyone.
Often, he'd sleep with the house door open.
On his social networking site page, he wrote that his ambition was to kill God and he was an anti-Christ.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267169</id>
	<title>Re:There's yer problem...</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1244567820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do you need the hosting company to do backup for you when you are creating all your content locally and FTP'ing it up to the server? You only need backup if you are allowing users/customers to modify the state of your web site. Probably 50\% of customers are personal pages used to post baby pics for relatives to see. Yes, you should always do backup, but it doesn't logically follow that your hosting company should always do backup for you. The cardinal rule is trust noone with your data but yourself, because you are the only one that does really care about your data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you need the hosting company to do backup for you when you are creating all your content locally and FTP'ing it up to the server ?
You only need backup if you are allowing users/customers to modify the state of your web site .
Probably 50 \ % of customers are personal pages used to post baby pics for relatives to see .
Yes , you should always do backup , but it does n't logically follow that your hosting company should always do backup for you .
The cardinal rule is trust noone with your data but yourself , because you are the only one that does really care about your data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you need the hosting company to do backup for you when you are creating all your content locally and FTP'ing it up to the server?
You only need backup if you are allowing users/customers to modify the state of your web site.
Probably 50\% of customers are personal pages used to post baby pics for relatives to see.
Yes, you should always do backup, but it doesn't logically follow that your hosting company should always do backup for you.
The cardinal rule is trust noone with your data but yourself, because you are the only one that does really care about your data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265761</id>
	<title>Narrow escape</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1244562840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just closed an account with VAserv last week for no particular reason.<br>I hardly ever do things for "no particular reason" so it must have been my spider sense.</p><p>Will this be a case of good bye reputation, or no publicity is bad publicity?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just closed an account with VAserv last week for no particular reason.I hardly ever do things for " no particular reason " so it must have been my spider sense.Will this be a case of good bye reputation , or no publicity is bad publicity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just closed an account with VAserv last week for no particular reason.I hardly ever do things for "no particular reason" so it must have been my spider sense.Will this be a case of good bye reputation, or no publicity is bad publicity?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266555</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Thaelon</author>
	<datestamp>1244566020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The job wasn't the only thing.  From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>Ligesh was also still coming to terms with the suicides by hanging of his sister and mother five years ago.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm sure that had a significant impact as well.  The security flaw fiasco may have been just the final straw.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The job was n't the only thing .
From TFA : Ligesh was also still coming to terms with the suicides by hanging of his sister and mother five years ago.I 'm sure that had a significant impact as well .
The security flaw fiasco may have been just the final straw .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The job wasn't the only thing.
From TFA:Ligesh was also still coming to terms with the suicides by hanging of his sister and mother five years ago.I'm sure that had a significant impact as well.
The security flaw fiasco may have been just the final straw.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28271649</id>
	<title>Now for some comic relief</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244542140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>read the story on his blog about his junky date: http://ligesh.com/2008/05/drug-binge-at-300-am/</p><p>He was most probably not easy to handle and posed as a Nietzschean asshole, but after reading that post I couldn't but like him. And showing off an anti-God tattoo in a country like India deserves a lot of respect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>read the story on his blog about his junky date : http : //ligesh.com/2008/05/drug-binge-at-300-am/He was most probably not easy to handle and posed as a Nietzschean asshole , but after reading that post I could n't but like him .
And showing off an anti-God tattoo in a country like India deserves a lot of respect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>read the story on his blog about his junky date: http://ligesh.com/2008/05/drug-binge-at-300-am/He was most probably not easy to handle and posed as a Nietzschean asshole, but after reading that post I couldn't but like him.
And showing off an anti-God tattoo in a country like India deserves a lot of respect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28268513</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1244572980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you worked in a critical sector of our government and you did something that cost the lives of thousands of people, I'd FULLY EXPECT you to contemplate suicide and at least attempt it two or three times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you worked in a critical sector of our government and you did something that cost the lives of thousands of people , I 'd FULLY EXPECT you to contemplate suicide and at least attempt it two or three times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you worked in a critical sector of our government and you did something that cost the lives of thousands of people, I'd FULLY EXPECT you to contemplate suicide and at least attempt it two or three times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266799</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Atryn</author>
	<datestamp>1244566740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job, it's time to get a new job.</i> <br> <br>
Perhaps he felt responsible and not just depressed?  I agree with your sentiment, but I also acknowledge that not all cultures do.  We still today hear stories out of Asia of people taking their own lives after failing in their job.  In this case there were many other factors as well, but suicide isn't always about depression.<br> <br>
Heck, IIRC plenty of people were recently calling for Wall Street Execs and Bankers to consider the option.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job , it 's time to get a new job .
Perhaps he felt responsible and not just depressed ?
I agree with your sentiment , but I also acknowledge that not all cultures do .
We still today hear stories out of Asia of people taking their own lives after failing in their job .
In this case there were many other factors as well , but suicide is n't always about depression .
Heck , IIRC plenty of people were recently calling for Wall Street Execs and Bankers to consider the option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job, it's time to get a new job.
Perhaps he felt responsible and not just depressed?
I agree with your sentiment, but I also acknowledge that not all cultures do.
We still today hear stories out of Asia of people taking their own lives after failing in their job.
In this case there were many other factors as well, but suicide isn't always about depression.
Heck, IIRC plenty of people were recently calling for Wall Street Execs and Bankers to consider the option.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28269639</id>
	<title>Re:I'm a VAserv customer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244576820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You got what you paid for. Next time don't choose bottom of the barrel hosting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You got what you paid for .
Next time do n't choose bottom of the barrel hosting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You got what you paid for.
Next time don't choose bottom of the barrel hosting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28269001</id>
	<title>Re:It may have been genetic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244574720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Culturally, Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibility</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>Each of those compromised VMs is a failure to satisfy a customer at best, and a grave violation of the trust between vendor and customer.</p></div><p>Are you serious? You can't possibly be in the software business if you think that. Or perhaps you had the luck of not dealing with Indian software firms?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Culturally , Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibilityEach of those compromised VMs is a failure to satisfy a customer at best , and a grave violation of the trust between vendor and customer.Are you serious ?
You ca n't possibly be in the software business if you think that .
Or perhaps you had the luck of not dealing with Indian software firms ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Culturally, Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibilityEach of those compromised VMs is a failure to satisfy a customer at best, and a grave violation of the trust between vendor and customer.Are you serious?
You can't possibly be in the software business if you think that.
Or perhaps you had the luck of not dealing with Indian software firms?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28288491</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244647440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"from the article it appears that both his mother and sister committed suicide a few months ago!"</p><p>Maybe it was because they knew what a fuck of a bussinessman their relative was, knew what was coming and they coldn't stand it.</p><p>"he also recently lost a large contract."</p><p>Maybe because the contractor thought he was a fuck of a bussinessman.</p><p>"losing data on upto 10,000 virtual servers"</p><p>Maybe he was, in fact, a fuck of a bussinessman.  Back in the day, you know, suicide was an honorable solution if you really were such a fucktard.  I really miss the old days...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" from the article it appears that both his mother and sister committed suicide a few months ago !
" Maybe it was because they knew what a fuck of a bussinessman their relative was , knew what was coming and they cold n't stand it .
" he also recently lost a large contract .
" Maybe because the contractor thought he was a fuck of a bussinessman .
" losing data on upto 10,000 virtual servers " Maybe he was , in fact , a fuck of a bussinessman .
Back in the day , you know , suicide was an honorable solution if you really were such a fucktard .
I really miss the old days.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"from the article it appears that both his mother and sister committed suicide a few months ago!
"Maybe it was because they knew what a fuck of a bussinessman their relative was, knew what was coming and they coldn't stand it.
"he also recently lost a large contract.
"Maybe because the contractor thought he was a fuck of a bussinessman.
"losing data on upto 10,000 virtual servers"Maybe he was, in fact, a fuck of a bussinessman.
Back in the day, you know, suicide was an honorable solution if you really were such a fucktard.
I really miss the old days...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265915</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266529</id>
	<title>respect for the dead</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1244565960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is not appreciated by those who think they are immortal</p><p>ie, teenaged idiots</p><p>that the world is full of teenaged idiots (most of whom are not chronologically actual teenagers) should not surprise you or disappoint you</p><p>just a simple ugliness of life you need to learn to accept, like people who throw their garbage on the ground or talk loudly at movies, its another example of the tragedy of the commons</p><p>sure you could declare a high holy moral crusade against boorish insensitivity, but its like trying to stop the sun from rising and setting: a lot of people are ignorant assholes, status permanent, and even those you might actually be able to educate are quickly replaced by more morons</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is not appreciated by those who think they are immortalie , teenaged idiotsthat the world is full of teenaged idiots ( most of whom are not chronologically actual teenagers ) should not surprise you or disappoint youjust a simple ugliness of life you need to learn to accept , like people who throw their garbage on the ground or talk loudly at movies , its another example of the tragedy of the commonssure you could declare a high holy moral crusade against boorish insensitivity , but its like trying to stop the sun from rising and setting : a lot of people are ignorant assholes , status permanent , and even those you might actually be able to educate are quickly replaced by more morons</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is not appreciated by those who think they are immortalie, teenaged idiotsthat the world is full of teenaged idiots (most of whom are not chronologically actual teenagers) should not surprise you or disappoint youjust a simple ugliness of life you need to learn to accept, like people who throw their garbage on the ground or talk loudly at movies, its another example of the tragedy of the commonssure you could declare a high holy moral crusade against boorish insensitivity, but its like trying to stop the sun from rising and setting: a lot of people are ignorant assholes, status permanent, and even those you might actually be able to educate are quickly replaced by more morons</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266473</id>
	<title>Re:Disrespectful</title>
	<author>Brad Mace</author>
	<datestamp>1244565780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some people use humor as a coping mechanism.  I suspect the percentage is higher than average on slashdot.  Perhaps that's because it's a relatively young crowd that doesn't have much experience with death.  That's how it goes though; things that hit close to home seem like serious business, and the sort of things that "happen to someone else" don't.

It's also just not possible to get personally invested in every bad thing that happens in the world.  With our 24-hour news cycle and world-wide coverage, we'd spend every waking moment grieving.  I think humor is used to push back against the tendency to only report on the bad news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people use humor as a coping mechanism .
I suspect the percentage is higher than average on slashdot .
Perhaps that 's because it 's a relatively young crowd that does n't have much experience with death .
That 's how it goes though ; things that hit close to home seem like serious business , and the sort of things that " happen to someone else " do n't .
It 's also just not possible to get personally invested in every bad thing that happens in the world .
With our 24-hour news cycle and world-wide coverage , we 'd spend every waking moment grieving .
I think humor is used to push back against the tendency to only report on the bad news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people use humor as a coping mechanism.
I suspect the percentage is higher than average on slashdot.
Perhaps that's because it's a relatively young crowd that doesn't have much experience with death.
That's how it goes though; things that hit close to home seem like serious business, and the sort of things that "happen to someone else" don't.
It's also just not possible to get personally invested in every bad thing that happens in the world.
With our 24-hour news cycle and world-wide coverage, we'd spend every waking moment grieving.
I think humor is used to push back against the tendency to only report on the bad news.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267449</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>iluvcapra</author>
	<datestamp>1244568900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>After reading the headline "Head of LxLabs found hanged" I was sortof hoping "Head of LxLabs" was some sort of master node and it just needed a power cycle...</htmltext>
<tokenext>After reading the headline " Head of LxLabs found hanged " I was sortof hoping " Head of LxLabs " was some sort of master node and it just needed a power cycle.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After reading the headline "Head of LxLabs found hanged" I was sortof hoping "Head of LxLabs" was some sort of master node and it just needed a power cycle...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265731</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266273</id>
	<title>Re:Hackers = murderers?</title>
	<author>bluefoxlucid</author>
	<datestamp>1244564760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It depends.  There is a great thrill to be had in depriving someone from something they can never have back, especially if you can con them into giving it up willingly.  For example, virginity.  Some of us just happen to not extend that as far as their life; others simply don't care, or have Nelsonism (HA ha!).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends .
There is a great thrill to be had in depriving someone from something they can never have back , especially if you can con them into giving it up willingly .
For example , virginity .
Some of us just happen to not extend that as far as their life ; others simply do n't care , or have Nelsonism ( HA ha !
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends.
There is a great thrill to be had in depriving someone from something they can never have back, especially if you can con them into giving it up willingly.
For example, virginity.
Some of us just happen to not extend that as far as their life; others simply don't care, or have Nelsonism (HA ha!
).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266071</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265915</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>siloko</author>
	<datestamp>1244563380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of stuff was going on in this guys life which suggests his demise wasn't simply down to exploits found in his software - from the article it appears that both his mother and sister committed suicide a few months ago, he also recently lost a large contract. That being said I can't imagine the news of VAserv (which relied on Ligesh's HyperVM, the exploited software) losing data on upto 10,000 virtual servers helping much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of stuff was going on in this guys life which suggests his demise was n't simply down to exploits found in his software - from the article it appears that both his mother and sister committed suicide a few months ago , he also recently lost a large contract .
That being said I ca n't imagine the news of VAserv ( which relied on Ligesh 's HyperVM , the exploited software ) losing data on upto 10,000 virtual servers helping much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of stuff was going on in this guys life which suggests his demise wasn't simply down to exploits found in his software - from the article it appears that both his mother and sister committed suicide a few months ago, he also recently lost a large contract.
That being said I can't imagine the news of VAserv (which relied on Ligesh's HyperVM, the exploited software) losing data on upto 10,000 virtual servers helping much.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265731</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28287877</id>
	<title>from a costumer perspective</title>
	<author>laszlomolnar</author>
	<datestamp>1244642640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am a costumer of FsckVPS (sister company of Vaserv) and I am one of the unlucky guys who has 100\% data loss on his VPS.
Unlucky, because not every FsckVPS (and Vaserve) server and VPS have data loss. And unlucky, or idiot, because I have an outdated
backup only on my local hard disk.My fresh backup was stored on the server.
But, if I would not be so idiot and I would have a fresh backup on my local hard disk or on a remote backup server, what could I do now? Nothing, because all destroyed
servers are still offline, offline 3 days after the hacker attack.

Vaserv's costumers typically are not large enterprises, but micro companies, small teams, one man projects without sufficient financial and human resources.
Just that is why they choose Vaserv's cheap VPS solutions, or at least I choosed FsckVPS for that reason. And just because of small budget I don't able to maintain other
VPS as a backup server, and just because of small budget I maintain unmanaged server.
I usually work alone on my projects, sometimes I get some help from other people, but usually don't. So I am the businessman, the marketing guru, the
SEO expert, the copywriter, the designer, the webmaster and the system admin in one body. I have not enough time, energy to execute everything perfectly, so I haven't got a fresh backup to my local hard disk before this hacker attack happened. I suck this now.
I wanted to tell this story from my own perspective, because more people ask here and on other forums, who are such stupid guys, who have not got a fresh backup to their own hard drive? I am!

Sorry if my english is not perfect, but I am from Hungary.

P.S. Since my vps and websites are still offline I started a blog about this hacker story <a href="http://laja404.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://laja404.blogspot.com/</a> [blogspot.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a costumer of FsckVPS ( sister company of Vaserv ) and I am one of the unlucky guys who has 100 \ % data loss on his VPS .
Unlucky , because not every FsckVPS ( and Vaserve ) server and VPS have data loss .
And unlucky , or idiot , because I have an outdated backup only on my local hard disk.My fresh backup was stored on the server .
But , if I would not be so idiot and I would have a fresh backup on my local hard disk or on a remote backup server , what could I do now ?
Nothing , because all destroyed servers are still offline , offline 3 days after the hacker attack .
Vaserv 's costumers typically are not large enterprises , but micro companies , small teams , one man projects without sufficient financial and human resources .
Just that is why they choose Vaserv 's cheap VPS solutions , or at least I choosed FsckVPS for that reason .
And just because of small budget I do n't able to maintain other VPS as a backup server , and just because of small budget I maintain unmanaged server .
I usually work alone on my projects , sometimes I get some help from other people , but usually do n't .
So I am the businessman , the marketing guru , the SEO expert , the copywriter , the designer , the webmaster and the system admin in one body .
I have not enough time , energy to execute everything perfectly , so I have n't got a fresh backup to my local hard disk before this hacker attack happened .
I suck this now .
I wanted to tell this story from my own perspective , because more people ask here and on other forums , who are such stupid guys , who have not got a fresh backup to their own hard drive ?
I am !
Sorry if my english is not perfect , but I am from Hungary .
P.S. Since my vps and websites are still offline I started a blog about this hacker story http : //laja404.blogspot.com/ [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a costumer of FsckVPS (sister company of Vaserv) and I am one of the unlucky guys who has 100\% data loss on his VPS.
Unlucky, because not every FsckVPS (and Vaserve) server and VPS have data loss.
And unlucky, or idiot, because I have an outdated
backup only on my local hard disk.My fresh backup was stored on the server.
But, if I would not be so idiot and I would have a fresh backup on my local hard disk or on a remote backup server, what could I do now?
Nothing, because all destroyed
servers are still offline, offline 3 days after the hacker attack.
Vaserv's costumers typically are not large enterprises, but micro companies, small teams, one man projects without sufficient financial and human resources.
Just that is why they choose Vaserv's cheap VPS solutions, or at least I choosed FsckVPS for that reason.
And just because of small budget I don't able to maintain other
VPS as a backup server, and just because of small budget I maintain unmanaged server.
I usually work alone on my projects, sometimes I get some help from other people, but usually don't.
So I am the businessman, the marketing guru, the
SEO expert, the copywriter, the designer, the webmaster and the system admin in one body.
I have not enough time, energy to execute everything perfectly, so I haven't got a fresh backup to my local hard disk before this hacker attack happened.
I suck this now.
I wanted to tell this story from my own perspective, because more people ask here and on other forums, who are such stupid guys, who have not got a fresh backup to their own hard drive?
I am!
Sorry if my english is not perfect, but I am from Hungary.
P.S. Since my vps and websites are still offline I started a blog about this hacker story http://laja404.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266253</id>
	<title>I don't know if its been said yet...</title>
	<author>dyingtolive</author>
	<datestamp>1244564640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>but I gotta respect this guy's dedication to the job.  If we could get American CEO's to take this level of responsibility when their companies completely faceplant, the world would be a better place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>but I got ta respect this guy 's dedication to the job .
If we could get American CEO 's to take this level of responsibility when their companies completely faceplant , the world would be a better place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but I gotta respect this guy's dedication to the job.
If we could get American CEO's to take this level of responsibility when their companies completely faceplant, the world would be a better place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266309</id>
	<title>A rope?</title>
	<author>Tiber</author>
	<datestamp>1244565000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was he in a closet? Was it wrapped around his neck and genitals which was later covered up with the phrase "his body"?</p><p>I think I see a serial killer starting to emerge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was he in a closet ?
Was it wrapped around his neck and genitals which was later covered up with the phrase " his body " ? I think I see a serial killer starting to emerge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was he in a closet?
Was it wrapped around his neck and genitals which was later covered up with the phrase "his body"?I think I see a serial killer starting to emerge.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28270047</id>
	<title>Re:Summary of Vunerabilities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244578620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Summary from <a href="http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880" title="milw0rm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880</a> [milw0rm.com] [milw0rm.com] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks.</p></div><p>It wouldn't have killed them to at least <i>look</i> at the details during those two weeks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Summary from http : //www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880 [ milw0rm.com ] [ milw0rm.com ] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks.It would n't have killed them to at least look at the details during those two weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Summary from http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880 [milw0rm.com] [milw0rm.com] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks.It wouldn't have killed them to at least look at the details during those two weeks.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267053</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266463</id>
	<title>Re:Disrespectful</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1244565720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It does amaze me that so many people on slashdot seem to heartless morons.  There is nothing good or funny about this. Sometimes things just gang up on people.  The loss of hs family members and now this just might have been too much for him.  I hope none of his family<br>I have to wonder just how many of the people posting have ever lost a love one or even have tried to support a family.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does amaze me that so many people on slashdot seem to heartless morons .
There is nothing good or funny about this .
Sometimes things just gang up on people .
The loss of hs family members and now this just might have been too much for him .
I hope none of his familyI have to wonder just how many of the people posting have ever lost a love one or even have tried to support a family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does amaze me that so many people on slashdot seem to heartless morons.
There is nothing good or funny about this.
Sometimes things just gang up on people.
The loss of hs family members and now this just might have been too much for him.
I hope none of his familyI have to wonder just how many of the people posting have ever lost a love one or even have tried to support a family.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267933</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1244570880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno.  If your <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/22/freddie-mac-cfo-dead-apparent-suicide/" title="foxnews.com">job</a> [foxnews.com] involves being responsible for thousands of people losing their homes, and helping to spark the worst economic crisis in generations, suicide is probably the honorable way out.  Certainly much more respectable than taking bonuses for your failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno .
If your job [ foxnews.com ] involves being responsible for thousands of people losing their homes , and helping to spark the worst economic crisis in generations , suicide is probably the honorable way out .
Certainly much more respectable than taking bonuses for your failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno.
If your job [foxnews.com] involves being responsible for thousands of people losing their homes, and helping to spark the worst economic crisis in generations, suicide is probably the honorable way out.
Certainly much more respectable than taking bonuses for your failure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266219</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>JustOK</author>
	<datestamp>1244564460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not much to say, but perhaps to think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not much to say , but perhaps to think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not much to say, but perhaps to think.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265731</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28290203</id>
	<title>Re:I'm a VAserv customer</title>
	<author>laszlomolnar</author>
	<datestamp>1244750700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Today, 4 days after the hacker attak my VPS is still offline. Is there no lack of effort?
Okay, Vaserve not able to restore my old VPS, but I really  need my new VPS now.
Two days ago they told "We will aim to have all new servers up within 6 hours at the latest, of course providing no new issues occur.".
Now, two days after this message, where is my VPS up? Or new issues occured? Vaserve status page is not freshed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Today , 4 days after the hacker attak my VPS is still offline .
Is there no lack of effort ?
Okay , Vaserve not able to restore my old VPS , but I really need my new VPS now .
Two days ago they told " We will aim to have all new servers up within 6 hours at the latest , of course providing no new issues occur. " .
Now , two days after this message , where is my VPS up ?
Or new issues occured ?
Vaserve status page is not freshed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today, 4 days after the hacker attak my VPS is still offline.
Is there no lack of effort?
Okay, Vaserve not able to restore my old VPS, but I really  need my new VPS now.
Two days ago they told "We will aim to have all new servers up within 6 hours at the latest, of course providing no new issues occur.".
Now, two days after this message, where is my VPS up?
Or new issues occured?
Vaserve status page is not freshed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265877</id>
	<title>Damn...</title>
	<author>SalaSSin</author>
	<datestamp>1244563260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not only that, but TFA states that his mother and sister had committed suicide too 5 years before.
<br> <br>
I can imagine that makes a man wonder...
<br> <br> <br>
Still, how can anyone subscribe for a hosting solution without backup?
<br>
That's like putting your mission critical servers in a garden shed with holes in the roof.
<br>
F*ing stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but TFA states that his mother and sister had committed suicide too 5 years before .
I can imagine that makes a man wonder.. . Still , how can anyone subscribe for a hosting solution without backup ?
That 's like putting your mission critical servers in a garden shed with holes in the roof .
F * ing stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but TFA states that his mother and sister had committed suicide too 5 years before.
I can imagine that makes a man wonder...
  
Still, how can anyone subscribe for a hosting solution without backup?
That's like putting your mission critical servers in a garden shed with holes in the roof.
F*ing stupid.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28271013</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244539320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless you're Hitler.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you 're Hitler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you're Hitler.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265897</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265889</id>
	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>tattood</author>
	<datestamp>1244563320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>TFA: "Ligesh [from LxLabs] was also still coming to terms with the suicides by hanging of his sister and mother five years ago."<br> <br>
I suspect that this was the result of a lot of bad things going on in his life, and not just because of the software issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA : " Ligesh [ from LxLabs ] was also still coming to terms with the suicides by hanging of his sister and mother five years ago .
" I suspect that this was the result of a lot of bad things going on in his life , and not just because of the software issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA: "Ligesh [from LxLabs] was also still coming to terms with the suicides by hanging of his sister and mother five years ago.
" 
I suspect that this was the result of a lot of bad things going on in his life, and not just because of the software issues.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265731</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28279337</id>
	<title>Re:The guys pic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244647440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>yeah if I looked like that I would probably hang myself too</htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah if I looked like that I would probably hang myself too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah if I looked like that I would probably hang myself too</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28270661</id>
	<title>Re:Summary of Vunerabilities</title>
	<author>Todd Knarr</author>
	<datestamp>1244580900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 weeks to fix, yes it's short. 2 weeks to get the detailed information, review it, confirm whether or not the problems actually exist and respond to the submitter? That should be eminently doable. It's not like they have to find the vulnerabilities and figure out how to fix them, just determine whether the techniques given work as described. Speaking as a professional developer myself, if they can't do that in 2 weeks they shouldn't be writing software for use by others in the first place. Hells, my boss starts bugging me if it takes me more than 2 <i>hours</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 weeks to fix , yes it 's short .
2 weeks to get the detailed information , review it , confirm whether or not the problems actually exist and respond to the submitter ?
That should be eminently doable .
It 's not like they have to find the vulnerabilities and figure out how to fix them , just determine whether the techniques given work as described .
Speaking as a professional developer myself , if they ca n't do that in 2 weeks they should n't be writing software for use by others in the first place .
Hells , my boss starts bugging me if it takes me more than 2 hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 weeks to fix, yes it's short.
2 weeks to get the detailed information, review it, confirm whether or not the problems actually exist and respond to the submitter?
That should be eminently doable.
It's not like they have to find the vulnerabilities and figure out how to fix them, just determine whether the techniques given work as described.
Speaking as a professional developer myself, if they can't do that in 2 weeks they shouldn't be writing software for use by others in the first place.
Hells, my boss starts bugging me if it takes me more than 2 hours.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267053</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266413</id>
	<title>I'm a VAserv customer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244565540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Request: Please no one post links to the VAserv status page. The last thing we need is to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. them right now. Customers have been emailed the URL and we are the only ones who really need to see it (plus it isn't very interesting).</p><p>VAserv have emailed customers to say they will be taken over by BlueSquare (where they do most of their hosting anyway). Probably the best option given the scale of the attack.</p><p>I've got one apparently deleted VPS and one still running. The whole situation is terribly frustrating. However I don't think the lack of information coming from VAserv is due to a lack of effort on their part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Request : Please no one post links to the VAserv status page .
The last thing we need is to / .
them right now .
Customers have been emailed the URL and we are the only ones who really need to see it ( plus it is n't very interesting ) .VAserv have emailed customers to say they will be taken over by BlueSquare ( where they do most of their hosting anyway ) .
Probably the best option given the scale of the attack.I 've got one apparently deleted VPS and one still running .
The whole situation is terribly frustrating .
However I do n't think the lack of information coming from VAserv is due to a lack of effort on their part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Request: Please no one post links to the VAserv status page.
The last thing we need is to /.
them right now.
Customers have been emailed the URL and we are the only ones who really need to see it (plus it isn't very interesting).VAserv have emailed customers to say they will be taken over by BlueSquare (where they do most of their hosting anyway).
Probably the best option given the scale of the attack.I've got one apparently deleted VPS and one still running.
The whole situation is terribly frustrating.
However I don't think the lack of information coming from VAserv is due to a lack of effort on their part.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28265731</id>
	<title>Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244562720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess there's not much to say...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess there 's not much to say.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess there's not much to say...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267053</id>
	<title>Summary of Vunerabilities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Summary from <a href="http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880" title="milw0rm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880</a> [milw0rm.com] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Timeline :</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 05/21/2009 - sent initial email to vendor with a link to a private<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; resource for viewing various kloxo hiab575<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; vulnerability info<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 05/23/2009 - received the following: "Thanks for the info. I will<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; review this and let you know." (no signature)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 05/30/2009 - sent an email asking if there were any updates<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 06/01/2009 - received the following: "Sorry for the delay. I am<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; currently looking into this, and will reply in a couple<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; of hours time." (no signature)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor, and the private resource<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; containing the vulnerability info still does not<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; appear to have been accessed</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2 weeks have passed since the initial notification. Vendor appears<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; uninterested.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  1 - uid/gid reuse<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  2 - unprivileged port use<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  3 - default passwords<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  4 - useradd string in the process list<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  5 - XSS<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  6 - remotely create partially user controlled file names<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; and directories. Locally append uncontrolled data to<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; any file<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  7 - local users can take control of any file or directory<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  8 - local users can take control of any file or directory<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  9 - local users can overwrite any file on the box<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  10 - yet another symlink attack for local users<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  11 - metachar injection, local command execution as root<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  12 - web stats world readable password hashes<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  13 - local users can overwrite any file on the box<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  14 - metachar injection, local command execution as root<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  15 - remotely block any - or every - IP addr in hosts.deny<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  16 - remote CPU and mem usage DoS<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  17 - local users can truncate and control any file<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  18 - just 2 more symlinks to own any file on the box<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  19 - file manager, view and edit any file<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  20 - file manager PT II<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  21 - file manager PT III<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  22 - local user symlink attack<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  23 - local user symlink attack (last one)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISSUE  24 - sql injection in the "Forgot Password" form</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Summary from http : //www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880 [ milw0rm.com ] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks .
      Timeline :       05/21/2009 - sent initial email to vendor with a link to a private                                 resource for viewing various kloxo hiab575                                 vulnerability info       05/23/2009 - received the following : " Thanks for the info .
I will                                 review this and let you know .
" ( no signature )       05/30/2009 - sent an email asking if there were any updates       06/01/2009 - received the following : " Sorry for the delay .
I am                                 currently looking into this , and will reply in a couple                                 of hours time .
" ( no signature )       06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor , and the private resource                                 containing the vulnerability info still does not                                 appear to have been accessed       2 weeks have passed since the initial notification .
Vendor appears       uninterested .
      ISSUE 1 - uid/gid reuse       ISSUE 2 - unprivileged port use       ISSUE 3 - default passwords       ISSUE 4 - useradd string in the process list       ISSUE 5 - XSS       ISSUE 6 - remotely create partially user controlled file names                             and directories .
Locally append uncontrolled data to                             any file       ISSUE 7 - local users can take control of any file or directory       ISSUE 8 - local users can take control of any file or directory       ISSUE 9 - local users can overwrite any file on the box       ISSUE 10 - yet another symlink attack for local users       ISSUE 11 - metachar injection , local command execution as root       ISSUE 12 - web stats world readable password hashes       ISSUE 13 - local users can overwrite any file on the box       ISSUE 14 - metachar injection , local command execution as root       ISSUE 15 - remotely block any - or every - IP addr in hosts.deny       ISSUE 16 - remote CPU and mem usage DoS       ISSUE 17 - local users can truncate and control any file       ISSUE 18 - just 2 more symlinks to own any file on the box       ISSUE 19 - file manager , view and edit any file       ISSUE 20 - file manager PT II       ISSUE 21 - file manager PT III       ISSUE 22 - local user symlink attack       ISSUE 23 - local user symlink attack ( last one )       ISSUE 24 - sql injection in the " Forgot Password " form</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Summary from http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8880 [milw0rm.com] seems pretty serious but quite difficult to fix all of them in 2 weeks.
      Timeline :
      05/21/2009 - sent initial email to vendor with a link to a private
                                resource for viewing various kloxo hiab575
                                vulnerability info
      05/23/2009 - received the following: "Thanks for the info.
I will
                                review this and let you know.
" (no signature)
      05/30/2009 - sent an email asking if there were any updates
      06/01/2009 - received the following: "Sorry for the delay.
I am
                                currently looking into this, and will reply in a couple
                                of hours time.
" (no signature)
      06/04/2009 - nothing heard from vendor, and the private resource
                                containing the vulnerability info still does not
                                appear to have been accessed
      2 weeks have passed since the initial notification.
Vendor appears
      uninterested.
      ISSUE  1 - uid/gid reuse
      ISSUE  2 - unprivileged port use
      ISSUE  3 - default passwords
      ISSUE  4 - useradd string in the process list
      ISSUE  5 - XSS
      ISSUE  6 - remotely create partially user controlled file names
                            and directories.
Locally append uncontrolled data to
                            any file
      ISSUE  7 - local users can take control of any file or directory
      ISSUE  8 - local users can take control of any file or directory
      ISSUE  9 - local users can overwrite any file on the box
      ISSUE  10 - yet another symlink attack for local users
      ISSUE  11 - metachar injection, local command execution as root
      ISSUE  12 - web stats world readable password hashes
      ISSUE  13 - local users can overwrite any file on the box
      ISSUE  14 - metachar injection, local command execution as root
      ISSUE  15 - remotely block any - or every - IP addr in hosts.deny
      ISSUE  16 - remote CPU and mem usage DoS
      ISSUE  17 - local users can truncate and control any file
      ISSUE  18 - just 2 more symlinks to own any file on the box
      ISSUE  19 - file manager, view and edit any file
      ISSUE  20 - file manager PT II
      ISSUE  21 - file manager PT III
      ISSUE  22 - local user symlink attack
      ISSUE  23 - local user symlink attack (last one)
      ISSUE  24 - sql injection in the "Forgot Password" form</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28267107</id>
	<title>Re:Hackers = murderers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244567700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was wondering what milw0rm would get from publishing it openly? It could give out information on a as-needed basis. Example: If LxLabs didn't fix it on time but a user wanted to, milw0rm could announce that they've found some exploits and they could give it out with a three way verification.</p><p>But publishing it openly and giving it to script kiddies to play with is totally irresponsible. For that matter, vulnerability notification blackmailing is something that nobody is prosecuting under the law today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering what milw0rm would get from publishing it openly ?
It could give out information on a as-needed basis .
Example : If LxLabs did n't fix it on time but a user wanted to , milw0rm could announce that they 've found some exploits and they could give it out with a three way verification.But publishing it openly and giving it to script kiddies to play with is totally irresponsible .
For that matter , vulnerability notification blackmailing is something that nobody is prosecuting under the law today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering what milw0rm would get from publishing it openly?
It could give out information on a as-needed basis.
Example: If LxLabs didn't fix it on time but a user wanted to, milw0rm could announce that they've found some exploits and they could give it out with a three way verification.But publishing it openly and giving it to script kiddies to play with is totally irresponsible.
For that matter, vulnerability notification blackmailing is something that nobody is prosecuting under the law today.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_09_1422200.28266071</parent>
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