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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_07_2152235</id>
	<title>Printable, Rollable Solar Panels Could Go Anywhere</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244371680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/" rel="nofollow">Al</a> writes <i>"A startup based in Toledo, Ohio, has developed a way to make <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/business/22745/">large, flexible solar panels using a roll-to-roll manufacturing technique</a>. Thin-film amorphous silicon solar cells are formed on thin sheets of stainless steel, and each solar module is about one meter wide and five-and-a-half meters long. Conventional silicon solar panels are bulky and rigid, but these lightweight, flexible sheets could easily be integrated into roofs and building facades."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Al writes " A startup based in Toledo , Ohio , has developed a way to make large , flexible solar panels using a roll-to-roll manufacturing technique .
Thin-film amorphous silicon solar cells are formed on thin sheets of stainless steel , and each solar module is about one meter wide and five-and-a-half meters long .
Conventional silicon solar panels are bulky and rigid , but these lightweight , flexible sheets could easily be integrated into roofs and building facades .
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<sentencetext>Al writes "A startup based in Toledo, Ohio, has developed a way to make large, flexible solar panels using a roll-to-roll manufacturing technique.
Thin-film amorphous silicon solar cells are formed on thin sheets of stainless steel, and each solar module is about one meter wide and five-and-a-half meters long.
Conventional silicon solar panels are bulky and rigid, but these lightweight, flexible sheets could easily be integrated into roofs and building facades.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28247409</id>
	<title>Re:Safety</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1244399940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Actually, it's by far the most dangerous. It is completely unshielded, and its ionizing radiation is responsible for thousands of cancer deaths each year.</p></div></blockquote><p>
ummmm, I'm sure the magnetosphere shields us from the suns radiation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it 's by far the most dangerous .
It is completely unshielded , and its ionizing radiation is responsible for thousands of cancer deaths each year .
ummmm , I 'm sure the magnetosphere shields us from the suns radiation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it's by far the most dangerous.
It is completely unshielded, and its ionizing radiation is responsible for thousands of cancer deaths each year.
ummmm, I'm sure the magnetosphere shields us from the suns radiation.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245191</id>
	<title>We'll Make it up in Volume!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244377500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article poo-poo's the cells a bit by hashing over the fact that these cells are only 8\% efficient, whereas "some crystalline silicon modules on the market" are 20\% efficient. (Although the 330 W vs 740 W comparison gives a ratio more like 8\% to 18\%.)  But who really cares? If the roll-to-roll manufacturing can make them even 3 times less expensive, you can just install 2.3 times as many!</p><p>My understanding of the limitations of PV solar is the cost, not the available locations. Even houses with PV installed rarely cover the roof with them. Not because you can't, but because the things are so darned expensive. If the roll-to-roll manufacturing fulfills it's promise, we can have more solar power installed than we ever would have with some 30\% efficient cell, just by increasing coverage.</p><p>This is all assuming that the manufacturing process makes them less expensive per square meter. If that's not the case (perhaps due to their multi-layer nature), and the process is still cost-comparable to conventional crystalline silicon production, then the issue is moot. Unfortunately the article doesn't mention cost comparisons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article poo-poo 's the cells a bit by hashing over the fact that these cells are only 8 \ % efficient , whereas " some crystalline silicon modules on the market " are 20 \ % efficient .
( Although the 330 W vs 740 W comparison gives a ratio more like 8 \ % to 18 \ % .
) But who really cares ?
If the roll-to-roll manufacturing can make them even 3 times less expensive , you can just install 2.3 times as many ! My understanding of the limitations of PV solar is the cost , not the available locations .
Even houses with PV installed rarely cover the roof with them .
Not because you ca n't , but because the things are so darned expensive .
If the roll-to-roll manufacturing fulfills it 's promise , we can have more solar power installed than we ever would have with some 30 \ % efficient cell , just by increasing coverage.This is all assuming that the manufacturing process makes them less expensive per square meter .
If that 's not the case ( perhaps due to their multi-layer nature ) , and the process is still cost-comparable to conventional crystalline silicon production , then the issue is moot .
Unfortunately the article does n't mention cost comparisons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article poo-poo's the cells a bit by hashing over the fact that these cells are only 8\% efficient, whereas "some crystalline silicon modules on the market" are 20\% efficient.
(Although the 330 W vs 740 W comparison gives a ratio more like 8\% to 18\%.
)  But who really cares?
If the roll-to-roll manufacturing can make them even 3 times less expensive, you can just install 2.3 times as many!My understanding of the limitations of PV solar is the cost, not the available locations.
Even houses with PV installed rarely cover the roof with them.
Not because you can't, but because the things are so darned expensive.
If the roll-to-roll manufacturing fulfills it's promise, we can have more solar power installed than we ever would have with some 30\% efficient cell, just by increasing coverage.This is all assuming that the manufacturing process makes them less expensive per square meter.
If that's not the case (perhaps due to their multi-layer nature), and the process is still cost-comparable to conventional crystalline silicon production, then the issue is moot.
Unfortunately the article doesn't mention cost comparisons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245669</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244381460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, a 5\% efficient panel that degrades after 5 years! Glory be! We don't need oil any more!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , a 5 \ % efficient panel that degrades after 5 years !
Glory be !
We do n't need oil any more !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, a 5\% efficient panel that degrades after 5 years!
Glory be!
We don't need oil any more!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28248537</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>amn108</author>
	<datestamp>1244455980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not sure I would call it an advancement. I ought to give it the deserved credit though - after all more products is always better. Thin film photovoltaic arrays however have been around for some time.</p><p>Also, Xunlights rolls have 8\% efficiency, compared to around 15\% for rigid (and heavy) panels you can already buy to install on the roof etc, or even 20\% if you've really got the cash.</p><p>The good part is, according to this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar\_land\_area.png" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar\_land\_area.png</a> [wikipedia.org], the black dots represent areas where installing 8\% efficient modules would finely cover worlds energy consumption needs.</p><p>But for a laptop charger, you'd have to roll out 1 to 3 m of these, provided your laptop draws anything from 10 to 30 watts depending on load, plus the juice it would need to charge itself while it is being used simultaneously. The good part again is, you can make a nice roll of this and carry it around like a regular mat.</p><p>I may have gotten my math a bit wrong, but I was crazy about reading on photovoltaics a while ago and have soaked up a good deal of (what I think is) useful insight, do correct me if I am wrong though..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not sure I would call it an advancement .
I ought to give it the deserved credit though - after all more products is always better .
Thin film photovoltaic arrays however have been around for some time.Also , Xunlights rolls have 8 \ % efficiency , compared to around 15 \ % for rigid ( and heavy ) panels you can already buy to install on the roof etc , or even 20 \ % if you 've really got the cash.The good part is , according to this http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File : Solar \ _land \ _area.png [ wikipedia.org ] , the black dots represent areas where installing 8 \ % efficient modules would finely cover worlds energy consumption needs.But for a laptop charger , you 'd have to roll out 1 to 3 m of these , provided your laptop draws anything from 10 to 30 watts depending on load , plus the juice it would need to charge itself while it is being used simultaneously .
The good part again is , you can make a nice roll of this and carry it around like a regular mat.I may have gotten my math a bit wrong , but I was crazy about reading on photovoltaics a while ago and have soaked up a good deal of ( what I think is ) useful insight , do correct me if I am wrong though. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not sure I would call it an advancement.
I ought to give it the deserved credit though - after all more products is always better.
Thin film photovoltaic arrays however have been around for some time.Also, Xunlights rolls have 8\% efficiency, compared to around 15\% for rigid (and heavy) panels you can already buy to install on the roof etc, or even 20\% if you've really got the cash.The good part is, according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar\_land\_area.png [wikipedia.org], the black dots represent areas where installing 8\% efficient modules would finely cover worlds energy consumption needs.But for a laptop charger, you'd have to roll out 1 to 3 m of these, provided your laptop draws anything from 10 to 30 watts depending on load, plus the juice it would need to charge itself while it is being used simultaneously.
The good part again is, you can make a nice roll of this and carry it around like a regular mat.I may have gotten my math a bit wrong, but I was crazy about reading on photovoltaics a while ago and have soaked up a good deal of (what I think is) useful insight, do correct me if I am wrong though..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246247</id>
	<title>heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244387280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone's keyboard doesn't have dead keys.  Fa&#195;ade.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..wait, that doesn't look right.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..Great job with the unicode,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone 's keyboard does n't have dead keys .
Fa   ade. ..wait , that does n't look right .
..Great job with the unicode , / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone's keyboard doesn't have dead keys.
FaÃade. ..wait, that doesn't look right.
..Great job with the unicode, /.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28251793</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1244480040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a big shortage of roof space on my house, and I doubt solar is going to get anywhere near producing all of my electricity or water heating requirements, so I would have thought that ultimately it is watts per square meter that matters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a big shortage of roof space on my house , and I doubt solar is going to get anywhere near producing all of my electricity or water heating requirements , so I would have thought that ultimately it is watts per square meter that matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a big shortage of roof space on my house, and I doubt solar is going to get anywhere near producing all of my electricity or water heating requirements, so I would have thought that ultimately it is watts per square meter that matters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28248635</id>
	<title>This is so old news it hurts</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1244457000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Companies have been manufacturing and selling thin-film, flexible printed to roll solar panels since at least a year ago.</p><p>For example, check <a href="http://www.uni-solar.com/" title="uni-solar.com">http://www.uni-solar.com/</a> [uni-solar.com] and <a href="http://www.firstsolar.com/" title="firstsolar.com">http://www.firstsolar.com/</a> [firstsolar.com]</p><p>The things to keep in mind with this technology:<br>- Cheaper manufacturing, partly because the print to roll technology is much more scalable that the processes used to manufacture traditional solar cells, but also because of high silicon prices (traditional solar-cells use a silicon substract just like integrated circuits and thus compete for the same raw materials: before the recession silicon production was insufficient for both needs, so silicon prices where making traditional solar cells more expensive).<br>- Lower efficiency (around 9\%) versus traditional solar cells (around 15\%). Note that some recent advances are likely to increase the efficiency of traditional solar cells even further.<br>- Better at generating energy under low light conditions (e.g. in the shadow) than traditional solar cells.<br>- There are some questions about the long term viability of some thin-film solar cell technologies since they use rare elements: their price might go higher as production increases since that will also increase the demand for said rare raw materials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Companies have been manufacturing and selling thin-film , flexible printed to roll solar panels since at least a year ago.For example , check http : //www.uni-solar.com/ [ uni-solar.com ] and http : //www.firstsolar.com/ [ firstsolar.com ] The things to keep in mind with this technology : - Cheaper manufacturing , partly because the print to roll technology is much more scalable that the processes used to manufacture traditional solar cells , but also because of high silicon prices ( traditional solar-cells use a silicon substract just like integrated circuits and thus compete for the same raw materials : before the recession silicon production was insufficient for both needs , so silicon prices where making traditional solar cells more expensive ) .- Lower efficiency ( around 9 \ % ) versus traditional solar cells ( around 15 \ % ) .
Note that some recent advances are likely to increase the efficiency of traditional solar cells even further.- Better at generating energy under low light conditions ( e.g .
in the shadow ) than traditional solar cells.- There are some questions about the long term viability of some thin-film solar cell technologies since they use rare elements : their price might go higher as production increases since that will also increase the demand for said rare raw materials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Companies have been manufacturing and selling thin-film, flexible printed to roll solar panels since at least a year ago.For example, check http://www.uni-solar.com/ [uni-solar.com] and http://www.firstsolar.com/ [firstsolar.com]The things to keep in mind with this technology:- Cheaper manufacturing, partly because the print to roll technology is much more scalable that the processes used to manufacture traditional solar cells, but also because of high silicon prices (traditional solar-cells use a silicon substract just like integrated circuits and thus compete for the same raw materials: before the recession silicon production was insufficient for both needs, so silicon prices where making traditional solar cells more expensive).- Lower efficiency (around 9\%) versus traditional solar cells (around 15\%).
Note that some recent advances are likely to increase the efficiency of traditional solar cells even further.- Better at generating energy under low light conditions (e.g.
in the shadow) than traditional solar cells.- There are some questions about the long term viability of some thin-film solar cell technologies since they use rare elements: their price might go higher as production increases since that will also increase the demand for said rare raw materials.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28250243</id>
	<title>Old news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244472120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I could swear I read a story here on Slashdot about this same technology about 1-2 years ago...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could swear I read a story here on Slashdot about this same technology about 1-2 years ago.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could swear I read a story here on Slashdot about this same technology about 1-2 years ago...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245617</id>
	<title>mmm rollable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244381160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was just thinking, what a great replacement for papers, you roll with the solar panel and expose the tip to light, and bingo! Flame!</p><p>No more lighters needed!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was just thinking , what a great replacement for papers , you roll with the solar panel and expose the tip to light , and bingo !
Flame ! No more lighters needed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was just thinking, what a great replacement for papers, you roll with the solar panel and expose the tip to light, and bingo!
Flame!No more lighters needed!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28248901</id>
	<title>It can be really cheap</title>
	<author>twisteddk</author>
	<datestamp>1244460360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>While printing on film is fairly cheap, this is actually a somewhat dated techbology already. TFT technology is older than I am, and a couple of years ago, Danish researchers prooved that they could actually PRINT (using a normal printer and special ink) a solar cell.<br>Again, it suffers the same problems that this cell does, that the efficiency is very low. At the same time, the print would ofcourse decay/fade over time. This problem at least seems to be resolved by printing on thin film. Production of the Danish invetion is expected to hit the streets pretty darned soon.</p><p>Normal cost of solar cells is measured in $/WP, and at best you'd get about $6-8/WP for a monosilcate or poly silicate cell today, and that's for the really inefficient ones that takes up a lot of space. The new tech will (well, it SHOULD, but likely someone will claim return on investment and hike up the prices the first couple of years) put current prices below $1/WP, but take up even more space than before. This means that it will be cheaper to get cells than buy power on the open market (at least given the prices in Europe), ofcourse dependant on the lifetime expectancy and diminishing returns of the cell. Plus you still need to have enough space for all those cells. Today a 1 Kw base takes up about 60 square feet, and this tech pretty much tripples or even quadrouples that space requirement, but makes the investment affordable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While printing on film is fairly cheap , this is actually a somewhat dated techbology already .
TFT technology is older than I am , and a couple of years ago , Danish researchers prooved that they could actually PRINT ( using a normal printer and special ink ) a solar cell.Again , it suffers the same problems that this cell does , that the efficiency is very low .
At the same time , the print would ofcourse decay/fade over time .
This problem at least seems to be resolved by printing on thin film .
Production of the Danish invetion is expected to hit the streets pretty darned soon.Normal cost of solar cells is measured in $ /WP , and at best you 'd get about $ 6-8/WP for a monosilcate or poly silicate cell today , and that 's for the really inefficient ones that takes up a lot of space .
The new tech will ( well , it SHOULD , but likely someone will claim return on investment and hike up the prices the first couple of years ) put current prices below $ 1/WP , but take up even more space than before .
This means that it will be cheaper to get cells than buy power on the open market ( at least given the prices in Europe ) , ofcourse dependant on the lifetime expectancy and diminishing returns of the cell .
Plus you still need to have enough space for all those cells .
Today a 1 Kw base takes up about 60 square feet , and this tech pretty much tripples or even quadrouples that space requirement , but makes the investment affordable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While printing on film is fairly cheap, this is actually a somewhat dated techbology already.
TFT technology is older than I am, and a couple of years ago, Danish researchers prooved that they could actually PRINT (using a normal printer and special ink) a solar cell.Again, it suffers the same problems that this cell does, that the efficiency is very low.
At the same time, the print would ofcourse decay/fade over time.
This problem at least seems to be resolved by printing on thin film.
Production of the Danish invetion is expected to hit the streets pretty darned soon.Normal cost of solar cells is measured in $/WP, and at best you'd get about $6-8/WP for a monosilcate or poly silicate cell today, and that's for the really inefficient ones that takes up a lot of space.
The new tech will (well, it SHOULD, but likely someone will claim return on investment and hike up the prices the first couple of years) put current prices below $1/WP, but take up even more space than before.
This means that it will be cheaper to get cells than buy power on the open market (at least given the prices in Europe), ofcourse dependant on the lifetime expectancy and diminishing returns of the cell.
Plus you still need to have enough space for all those cells.
Today a 1 Kw base takes up about 60 square feet, and this tech pretty much tripples or even quadrouples that space requirement, but makes the investment affordable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245383</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244379060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>What do you mean by "show up"?  It seems to me that there's a solar story about once a week, on Slashdot...always a new way to increase efficiency, make it cheaper, easier-to-scale, etc., but this stuff never seems to make it to the marketplace...I'm still waiting for the solar technology that was announced here, five years ago, to "show up" in the marketplace...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you mean by " show up " ?
It seems to me that there 's a solar story about once a week , on Slashdot...always a new way to increase efficiency , make it cheaper , easier-to-scale , etc. , but this stuff never seems to make it to the marketplace...I 'm still waiting for the solar technology that was announced here , five years ago , to " show up " in the marketplace.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you mean by "show up"?
It seems to me that there's a solar story about once a week, on Slashdot...always a new way to increase efficiency, make it cheaper, easier-to-scale, etc., but this stuff never seems to make it to the marketplace...I'm still waiting for the solar technology that was announced here, five years ago, to "show up" in the marketplace...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246339</id>
	<title>FAIL</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1244388120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>uh, regular solor cells ARE flexible you retards. it's the glass they get bonded to and the alloy frame they sit in that prevents this.<p>
i'll bet they are just regular cells with fuck all weather proofing on them and they degrade in 6 months.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>uh , regular solor cells ARE flexible you retards .
it 's the glass they get bonded to and the alloy frame they sit in that prevents this .
i 'll bet they are just regular cells with fuck all weather proofing on them and they degrade in 6 months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uh, regular solor cells ARE flexible you retards.
it's the glass they get bonded to and the alloy frame they sit in that prevents this.
i'll bet they are just regular cells with fuck all weather proofing on them and they degrade in 6 months.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245225</id>
	<title>Re:Will we actually be able to buy these?</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1244377740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext>100\% of Nanosolar's production output is going to large scale (commercial/industrial scale) solar plants.  They keep building additional manufacturing capacity but have not saturated the commercial demand.  There's no need for them to offer panels to consumers; their business model is quite sound.</htmltext>
<tokenext>100 \ % of Nanosolar 's production output is going to large scale ( commercial/industrial scale ) solar plants .
They keep building additional manufacturing capacity but have not saturated the commercial demand .
There 's no need for them to offer panels to consumers ; their business model is quite sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>100\% of Nanosolar's production output is going to large scale (commercial/industrial scale) solar plants.
They keep building additional manufacturing capacity but have not saturated the commercial demand.
There's no need for them to offer panels to consumers; their business model is quite sound.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28253273</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Ferretman</author>
	<datestamp>1244486640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Well said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:from the why-isn't-my-car's-dome-light-an-led d</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244489580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Incandescent headlights take up 100+ watts and as a rough guess are on 1/3 of the time the average car is driving (except for the daytime running lights folks, obviously then it's 100\%).  They're actually worth trying to save on (though a lot of people get LED lights for the aesthetics and at first the novelty).  I'd wager my dome light is about 2 watts and is on about 2 hours a year, if that.  I don't care how much power it takes because I never use it, my only concern is that it is as cheap as possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Incandescent headlights take up 100 + watts and as a rough guess are on 1/3 of the time the average car is driving ( except for the daytime running lights folks , obviously then it 's 100 \ % ) .
They 're actually worth trying to save on ( though a lot of people get LED lights for the aesthetics and at first the novelty ) .
I 'd wager my dome light is about 2 watts and is on about 2 hours a year , if that .
I do n't care how much power it takes because I never use it , my only concern is that it is as cheap as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incandescent headlights take up 100+ watts and as a rough guess are on 1/3 of the time the average car is driving (except for the daytime running lights folks, obviously then it's 100\%).
They're actually worth trying to save on (though a lot of people get LED lights for the aesthetics and at first the novelty).
I'd wager my dome light is about 2 watts and is on about 2 hours a year, if that.
I don't care how much power it takes because I never use it, my only concern is that it is as cheap as possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28252689</id>
	<title>Re:Sigh, another technology that will make it some</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1244483820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe it's patented already, and the Saudi royal family bought the rights to the patent.</p><p>There have been battery tech patents bought by some oil companies in the past, already, so I am not only joking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's patented already , and the Saudi royal family bought the rights to the patent.There have been battery tech patents bought by some oil companies in the past , already , so I am not only joking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's patented already, and the Saudi royal family bought the rights to the patent.There have been battery tech patents bought by some oil companies in the past, already, so I am not only joking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28251003</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>b0bby</author>
	<datestamp>1244475960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Houses could be wired to have an AC system (for obsolete equipment, and stuff that needs electric pumps), and a low voltage DC rail (for new stuff).</p></div><p>The cost for rewiring old houses is prohibitive, and since they're the bulk of the housing stock it would be hard to get momentum for this. But it's nice to dream...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Houses could be wired to have an AC system ( for obsolete equipment , and stuff that needs electric pumps ) , and a low voltage DC rail ( for new stuff ) .The cost for rewiring old houses is prohibitive , and since they 're the bulk of the housing stock it would be hard to get momentum for this .
But it 's nice to dream.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Houses could be wired to have an AC system (for obsolete equipment, and stuff that needs electric pumps), and a low voltage DC rail (for new stuff).The cost for rewiring old houses is prohibitive, and since they're the bulk of the housing stock it would be hard to get momentum for this.
But it's nice to dream...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28252057</id>
	<title>Hurricanes</title>
	<author>JMandingo</author>
	<datestamp>1244481420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in Florida we have plenty of sun available.  However, one prohibitive problem with solar panels is the occasional hurricane.  If you have large solid panels installed on your roof, a strong wind will pick them up like a kite and tear them (plus a good chunk of your roof) right off.</p><p>I like the idea of something cheap and flexible because you could either have a system of rolling it up when a storm approaches, OR let the storm have it (like pool screen enclosures) and install a new one afterwords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Florida we have plenty of sun available .
However , one prohibitive problem with solar panels is the occasional hurricane .
If you have large solid panels installed on your roof , a strong wind will pick them up like a kite and tear them ( plus a good chunk of your roof ) right off.I like the idea of something cheap and flexible because you could either have a system of rolling it up when a storm approaches , OR let the storm have it ( like pool screen enclosures ) and install a new one afterwords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Florida we have plenty of sun available.
However, one prohibitive problem with solar panels is the occasional hurricane.
If you have large solid panels installed on your roof, a strong wind will pick them up like a kite and tear them (plus a good chunk of your roof) right off.I like the idea of something cheap and flexible because you could either have a system of rolling it up when a storm approaches, OR let the storm have it (like pool screen enclosures) and install a new one afterwords.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245037</id>
	<title>The question is...</title>
	<author>crazyvas</author>
	<datestamp>1244376240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...where<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/are/ they going to go?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...where /are/ they going to go ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...where /are/ they going to go?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246021</id>
	<title>FriS7 stop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244385000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>coomunity. The with any sort Others what to can be like lube. This can lead 'doing something' You're told. It's would like to Hubbard and Mike</htmltext>
<tokenext>coomunity .
The with any sort Others what to can be like lube .
This can lead 'doing something ' You 're told .
It 's would like to Hubbard and Mike</tokentext>
<sentencetext>coomunity.
The with any sort Others what to can be like lube.
This can lead 'doing something' You're told.
It's would like to Hubbard and Mike</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245671</id>
	<title>Re:Slowly becoming cost-effective</title>
	<author>veganboyjosh</author>
	<datestamp>1244381520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, the clay tiles are used in most desert areas not for aesthetics. Well, not directly. They're the material that's been used in that area for hundreds of years. It's cheap, abundant, and easy to work with.

<br> <br>
One more reason they've been the material of choice for so long? They don't spontaneously combust the same way asphalt shingles or other popular materials can.


<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/nitpicking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the clay tiles are used in most desert areas not for aesthetics .
Well , not directly .
They 're the material that 's been used in that area for hundreds of years .
It 's cheap , abundant , and easy to work with .
One more reason they 've been the material of choice for so long ?
They do n't spontaneously combust the same way asphalt shingles or other popular materials can .
/nitpicking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the clay tiles are used in most desert areas not for aesthetics.
Well, not directly.
They're the material that's been used in that area for hundreds of years.
It's cheap, abundant, and easy to work with.
One more reason they've been the material of choice for so long?
They don't spontaneously combust the same way asphalt shingles or other popular materials can.
/nitpicking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245443</id>
	<title>Printable, Rollable Solar Panels Could Go Anywhere</title>
	<author>I'm\_Original</author>
	<datestamp>1244379600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And so can my flying car. I'll believe it when I see it. No, actually I'll believe it when I can buy it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And so can my flying car .
I 'll believe it when I see it .
No , actually I 'll believe it when I can buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And so can my flying car.
I'll believe it when I see it.
No, actually I'll believe it when I can buy it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246773</id>
	<title>Re:Safety</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1244392200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ya, well, deal with it.</p><p>The Sun sustains life here on Earth. It can damn well take it away simply by blowing up, or fading out to darkness. You have no choice in the matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya , well , deal with it.The Sun sustains life here on Earth .
It can damn well take it away simply by blowing up , or fading out to darkness .
You have no choice in the matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya, well, deal with it.The Sun sustains life here on Earth.
It can damn well take it away simply by blowing up, or fading out to darkness.
You have no choice in the matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246333</id>
	<title>Sigh, another technology that will make it someday</title>
	<author>barfy</author>
	<datestamp>1244388060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where are the Stanford 10x Li-ion batteries???</p><p><a href="http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/nanowire-010908.html" title="stanford.edu">http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/nanowire-010908.html</a> [stanford.edu]</p><p>This ALONE will change everything.  From an All day Iphone and netbook.  To a Chevy Volt that costs 1/2 as much.</p><p>WHERE IS IT?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where are the Stanford 10x Li-ion batteries ? ?
? http : //news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/nanowire-010908.html [ stanford.edu ] This ALONE will change everything .
From an All day Iphone and netbook .
To a Chevy Volt that costs 1/2 as much.WHERE IS IT ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where are the Stanford 10x Li-ion batteries??
?http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/nanowire-010908.html [stanford.edu]This ALONE will change everything.
From an All day Iphone and netbook.
To a Chevy Volt that costs 1/2 as much.WHERE IS IT?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245139</id>
	<title>Slowly becoming cost-effective</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1244377020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Building integrated photovoltaics (BIPV), especially rooftop applications, would be the biggest market for flexible PV technology, Boas says.</p></div><p>Roofing is a significant cost in a residential structure.  Being able to integrate the roofing material with the solar panels can help make photovoltaics cost-effective.</p><p>In Las Vegas, for instance, roofs are made of expensive (and heavy) clay tiles, mostly for aesthetic reasons.  These run anywhere from $30-$50 / m^2.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Building integrated photovoltaics ( BIPV ) , especially rooftop applications , would be the biggest market for flexible PV technology , Boas says.Roofing is a significant cost in a residential structure .
Being able to integrate the roofing material with the solar panels can help make photovoltaics cost-effective.In Las Vegas , for instance , roofs are made of expensive ( and heavy ) clay tiles , mostly for aesthetic reasons .
These run anywhere from $ 30- $ 50 / m ^ 2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Building integrated photovoltaics (BIPV), especially rooftop applications, would be the biggest market for flexible PV technology, Boas says.Roofing is a significant cost in a residential structure.
Being able to integrate the roofing material with the solar panels can help make photovoltaics cost-effective.In Las Vegas, for instance, roofs are made of expensive (and heavy) clay tiles, mostly for aesthetic reasons.
These run anywhere from $30-$50 / m^2.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245175</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244377440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Imagine that (Score:3, Insightful)<br>by tyrione (134248) on Sunday June 07, @06:51PM (#28244925) Homepage<br>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?"</p><p>First, what "little push" would that be?  You (quite deliberately) don't say.  Second, quite frankly, the technique means crap, because they are inefficient, cheap panels, which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.</p><p>The main reason stuff like this is coming to market is because energy prices were and will be so high.  The second reason is that the advent of the computer and hence technology age, more people have the means and opportunity to look into and acquire the materials without going through a misinformed, costly local middleman.</p><p>Still, this is a pretty crappy system, a part of the whole solar setup, and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. should know better.  A HUGE part of the system cost aren't the panels, it's the damn electronics, and those prices are really high for a large installation.  Anyone who has looked into solar panels, whether hot water pv, knows this.  For non-grid tie but grid tie quality AC power, the inverters alone are damn expensive.  Those prices aren't likely coming down, given the amount of quality raw material in them which keep going up due to global demand.</p><p>In a lot of situations, a better system is going with a geothermal heat pump or similar, not your entire roof of crappy, inefficient solar panels, tied to your high quality inverter, and thousands of dollars in batteries.  I like solar a hell of a lot, but what we need is highly efficient, cheap flexible panels, with correlating consumer priced inverter and battery tech, not this crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Imagine that ( Score : 3 , Insightful ) by tyrione ( 134248 ) on Sunday June 07 , @ 06 : 51PM ( # 28244925 ) HomepageIs n't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push ?
" First , what " little push " would that be ?
You ( quite deliberately ) do n't say .
Second , quite frankly , the technique means crap , because they are inefficient , cheap panels , which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.The main reason stuff like this is coming to market is because energy prices were and will be so high .
The second reason is that the advent of the computer and hence technology age , more people have the means and opportunity to look into and acquire the materials without going through a misinformed , costly local middleman.Still , this is a pretty crappy system , a part of the whole solar setup , and / .
should know better .
A HUGE part of the system cost are n't the panels , it 's the damn electronics , and those prices are really high for a large installation .
Anyone who has looked into solar panels , whether hot water pv , knows this .
For non-grid tie but grid tie quality AC power , the inverters alone are damn expensive .
Those prices are n't likely coming down , given the amount of quality raw material in them which keep going up due to global demand.In a lot of situations , a better system is going with a geothermal heat pump or similar , not your entire roof of crappy , inefficient solar panels , tied to your high quality inverter , and thousands of dollars in batteries .
I like solar a hell of a lot , but what we need is highly efficient , cheap flexible panels , with correlating consumer priced inverter and battery tech , not this crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Imagine that (Score:3, Insightful)by tyrione (134248) on Sunday June 07, @06:51PM (#28244925) HomepageIsn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?
"First, what "little push" would that be?
You (quite deliberately) don't say.
Second, quite frankly, the technique means crap, because they are inefficient, cheap panels, which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.The main reason stuff like this is coming to market is because energy prices were and will be so high.
The second reason is that the advent of the computer and hence technology age, more people have the means and opportunity to look into and acquire the materials without going through a misinformed, costly local middleman.Still, this is a pretty crappy system, a part of the whole solar setup, and /.
should know better.
A HUGE part of the system cost aren't the panels, it's the damn electronics, and those prices are really high for a large installation.
Anyone who has looked into solar panels, whether hot water pv, knows this.
For non-grid tie but grid tie quality AC power, the inverters alone are damn expensive.
Those prices aren't likely coming down, given the amount of quality raw material in them which keep going up due to global demand.In a lot of situations, a better system is going with a geothermal heat pump or similar, not your entire roof of crappy, inefficient solar panels, tied to your high quality inverter, and thousands of dollars in batteries.
I like solar a hell of a lot, but what we need is highly efficient, cheap flexible panels, with correlating consumer priced inverter and battery tech, not this crap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28252575</id>
	<title>Re:from the why-isn't-my-car's-dome-light-an-led d</title>
	<author>amorsen</author>
	<datestamp>1244483460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The power to drive the light comes from the battery, which is charged by the alternator. The alternator doesn't care.</p></div><p>I don't know where you get this from. Electricity is really expensive in cars; small internal combustion engines running at variable speeds just suck for making electricity. If good LEDs were available, cars would switch to them almost instantly.</p><p>Alas, LEDs in the 60W-equivalent range are hard to come by (unless you use multiple LEDs, and that's hard in a dome light).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The power to drive the light comes from the battery , which is charged by the alternator .
The alternator does n't care.I do n't know where you get this from .
Electricity is really expensive in cars ; small internal combustion engines running at variable speeds just suck for making electricity .
If good LEDs were available , cars would switch to them almost instantly.Alas , LEDs in the 60W-equivalent range are hard to come by ( unless you use multiple LEDs , and that 's hard in a dome light ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The power to drive the light comes from the battery, which is charged by the alternator.
The alternator doesn't care.I don't know where you get this from.
Electricity is really expensive in cars; small internal combustion engines running at variable speeds just suck for making electricity.
If good LEDs were available, cars would switch to them almost instantly.Alas, LEDs in the 60W-equivalent range are hard to come by (unless you use multiple LEDs, and that's hard in a dome light).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245223</id>
	<title>Re:How much will it cost?</title>
	<author>Karganeth</author>
	<datestamp>1244377740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It'll have to be around 40\% of the cost of a standard solar cell (since many are around 20\% efficient). It doesn't seem much when you consider that these solar panels are extremely thin.  The amount of materials needed to create them will be very small and these solar panels are printable. If only they showed us a price we'd know if they were the future or not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'll have to be around 40 \ % of the cost of a standard solar cell ( since many are around 20 \ % efficient ) .
It does n't seem much when you consider that these solar panels are extremely thin .
The amount of materials needed to create them will be very small and these solar panels are printable .
If only they showed us a price we 'd know if they were the future or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'll have to be around 40\% of the cost of a standard solar cell (since many are around 20\% efficient).
It doesn't seem much when you consider that these solar panels are extremely thin.
The amount of materials needed to create them will be very small and these solar panels are printable.
If only they showed us a price we'd know if they were the future or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28253899</id>
	<title>Re:Sigh, another technology that will make it some</title>
	<author>cekander</author>
	<datestamp>1244489520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEStor" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">EESTOR battery</a> [wikipedia.org]? Has this been debunked as myth yet?

</p><ul>
<li>No degradation from charge/discharge cycles</li>
<li>A self-discharge rate of 0.1\% per month</li>
<li>half the price per stored watt-hour of lead-acid batteries</li>
<li>Nontoxic and non-hazardous</li>
</ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what about the EESTOR battery [ wikipedia.org ] ?
Has this been debunked as myth yet ?
No degradation from charge/discharge cycles A self-discharge rate of 0.1 \ % per month half the price per stored watt-hour of lead-acid batteries Nontoxic and non-hazardous</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what about the EESTOR battery [wikipedia.org]?
Has this been debunked as myth yet?
No degradation from charge/discharge cycles
A self-discharge rate of 0.1\% per month
half the price per stored watt-hour of lead-acid batteries
Nontoxic and non-hazardous
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246267</id>
	<title>New Technology?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244387400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is their product any different from PowerFilm's (<a href="http://www.powerfilmsolar.com/" title="powerfilmsolar.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.powerfilmsolar.com/</a> [powerfilmsolar.com])?  They have been making flexible solar panels for almost 20 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is their product any different from PowerFilm 's ( http : //www.powerfilmsolar.com/ [ powerfilmsolar.com ] ) ?
They have been making flexible solar panels for almost 20 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is their product any different from PowerFilm's (http://www.powerfilmsolar.com/ [powerfilmsolar.com])?
They have been making flexible solar panels for almost 20 years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245475</id>
	<title>Safety</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244379900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Solar Power, it's the safest form of nuclear power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Solar Power , it 's the safest form of nuclear power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Solar Power, it's the safest form of nuclear power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245301</id>
	<title>Support for vents and pipes?</title>
	<author>ChartBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1244378280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Big sheets of PV are wonderful when you have big open expanses, but real world roof surfaces have vents, pipes, drains and the like.  Rather than play tetris with rigid panels, or even with flexible panels, I'd love to be able to cut an opening in the PV material for each opening and get maximal use of the roof surface.<br>
<br>
Is anyone working on that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Big sheets of PV are wonderful when you have big open expanses , but real world roof surfaces have vents , pipes , drains and the like .
Rather than play tetris with rigid panels , or even with flexible panels , I 'd love to be able to cut an opening in the PV material for each opening and get maximal use of the roof surface .
Is anyone working on that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big sheets of PV are wonderful when you have big open expanses, but real world roof surfaces have vents, pipes, drains and the like.
Rather than play tetris with rigid panels, or even with flexible panels, I'd love to be able to cut an opening in the PV material for each opening and get maximal use of the roof surface.
Is anyone working on that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245071</id>
	<title>How much will it cost?</title>
	<author>wjwlsn</author>
	<datestamp>1244376540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like a great idea, but it probably isn't the breakthrough that the summary might otherwise suggest. The efficiency of the resulting solar panels, even with triple-junction cells, is still only 8\% at most (as stated in the article). At that level of efficiency, the manufacturing process will have to be very inexpensive for these to make sense for the average consumer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like a great idea , but it probably is n't the breakthrough that the summary might otherwise suggest .
The efficiency of the resulting solar panels , even with triple-junction cells , is still only 8 \ % at most ( as stated in the article ) .
At that level of efficiency , the manufacturing process will have to be very inexpensive for these to make sense for the average consumer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like a great idea, but it probably isn't the breakthrough that the summary might otherwise suggest.
The efficiency of the resulting solar panels, even with triple-junction cells, is still only 8\% at most (as stated in the article).
At that level of efficiency, the manufacturing process will have to be very inexpensive for these to make sense for the average consumer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245197</id>
	<title>COULD go anywhere...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244377560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...but we all know they AREN'T going anywhere, just like all the other dozens of solar tech breakthroughs "ready for production" that have popped up here the past 3 years. Where did they all go? Where to buy them? Mhm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but we all know they ARE N'T going anywhere , just like all the other dozens of solar tech breakthroughs " ready for production " that have popped up here the past 3 years .
Where did they all go ?
Where to buy them ?
Mhm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but we all know they AREN'T going anywhere, just like all the other dozens of solar tech breakthroughs "ready for production" that have popped up here the past 3 years.
Where did they all go?
Where to buy them?
Mhm.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246799</id>
	<title>from the why-isn't-my-car's-dome-light-an-led dept</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244392500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, there is no savings. The incandescent bulb is cheap, cheap cheap. The LED is not. The power to drive the light comes from the battery, which is charged by the alternator. The alternator doesn't care. You can run over 1KW off the stock alternator. The little current required for the incandescent or bulb doesn't matter.  So why put a higher cost part in the car? But wait the LED isn't 12v, it is TTL, so you need to convert from what is a 12v-14v wiring harness to TTL levels. If you use a cheap resistor, you just convert to heat. If you use a charge pump/capacitor you again increase the cost. All for something that won't matter in terms of fuel economy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , there is no savings .
The incandescent bulb is cheap , cheap cheap .
The LED is not .
The power to drive the light comes from the battery , which is charged by the alternator .
The alternator does n't care .
You can run over 1KW off the stock alternator .
The little current required for the incandescent or bulb does n't matter .
So why put a higher cost part in the car ?
But wait the LED is n't 12v , it is TTL , so you need to convert from what is a 12v-14v wiring harness to TTL levels .
If you use a cheap resistor , you just convert to heat .
If you use a charge pump/capacitor you again increase the cost .
All for something that wo n't matter in terms of fuel economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, there is no savings.
The incandescent bulb is cheap, cheap cheap.
The LED is not.
The power to drive the light comes from the battery, which is charged by the alternator.
The alternator doesn't care.
You can run over 1KW off the stock alternator.
The little current required for the incandescent or bulb doesn't matter.
So why put a higher cost part in the car?
But wait the LED isn't 12v, it is TTL, so you need to convert from what is a 12v-14v wiring harness to TTL levels.
If you use a cheap resistor, you just convert to heat.
If you use a charge pump/capacitor you again increase the cost.
All for something that won't matter in terms of fuel economy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28248711</id>
	<title>Re:from the why-isn't-my-car's-dome-light-an-led d</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1244457840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The alternator doesn't care, but your MPG suffers every time the alternator spins. You can get quite a few more useful HP out of an engine if you remove the alternator completely. And if the rest of your claptrap were true, manufacturers would not be using LEDs in tail lights, dashboard instruments, turn signals etc etc. Less demand means smaller alternator, means more useful power to the wheels, means more MPG.<br> <br>As for TTL, bollox mate.
<br>
<a href="http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Optoelectronics/Miniature-Lamps/Sixcess-LED-Lamp-12V-white-E12/75832/kw/12v+led" title="rapidonline.com">http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Optoelectronics/Miniature-Lamps/Sixcess-LED-Lamp-12V-white-E12/75832/kw/12v+led</a> [rapidonline.com]
<br>
<a href="http://www.rapidonline.com/searchresults.aspx?style=0&amp;kw=12v+led" title="rapidonline.com">http://www.rapidonline.com/searchresults.aspx?style=0&amp;kw=12v+led</a> [rapidonline.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The alternator does n't care , but your MPG suffers every time the alternator spins .
You can get quite a few more useful HP out of an engine if you remove the alternator completely .
And if the rest of your claptrap were true , manufacturers would not be using LEDs in tail lights , dashboard instruments , turn signals etc etc .
Less demand means smaller alternator , means more useful power to the wheels , means more MPG .
As for TTL , bollox mate .
http : //www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Optoelectronics/Miniature-Lamps/Sixcess-LED-Lamp-12V-white-E12/75832/kw/12v + led [ rapidonline.com ] http : //www.rapidonline.com/searchresults.aspx ? style = 0&amp;kw = 12v + led [ rapidonline.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The alternator doesn't care, but your MPG suffers every time the alternator spins.
You can get quite a few more useful HP out of an engine if you remove the alternator completely.
And if the rest of your claptrap were true, manufacturers would not be using LEDs in tail lights, dashboard instruments, turn signals etc etc.
Less demand means smaller alternator, means more useful power to the wheels, means more MPG.
As for TTL, bollox mate.
http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Optoelectronics/Miniature-Lamps/Sixcess-LED-Lamp-12V-white-E12/75832/kw/12v+led [rapidonline.com]

http://www.rapidonline.com/searchresults.aspx?style=0&amp;kw=12v+led [rapidonline.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28249351</id>
	<title>Re:Support for vents and pipes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244465520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, the flexible rubber type can be cut without a major impact on power output. They actually install them with staple guns. The power output is similar to the ones in the article. The advantage with them is they produce power in low light or on cloudy days. It helps offset the lower power output. They actually make more sense in cloudy areas than traditional cells.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , the flexible rubber type can be cut without a major impact on power output .
They actually install them with staple guns .
The power output is similar to the ones in the article .
The advantage with them is they produce power in low light or on cloudy days .
It helps offset the lower power output .
They actually make more sense in cloudy areas than traditional cells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, the flexible rubber type can be cut without a major impact on power output.
They actually install them with staple guns.
The power output is similar to the ones in the article.
The advantage with them is they produce power in low light or on cloudy days.
It helps offset the lower power output.
They actually make more sense in cloudy areas than traditional cells.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246299</id>
	<title>Why your dome light isn't an LED</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244387760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The lamp in your dome light will put out light pretty reliably from about 6 or 7 up to about 15 volts and is available everywhere, and the automaker probably gets them for a nickel. The LED runs on a narrow voltage range so it needs a power supply which tends to be an IC, two transistors, and a resistor (for limiting current) as well as a PC board, and probably its own enclosure to avoid shorts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The lamp in your dome light will put out light pretty reliably from about 6 or 7 up to about 15 volts and is available everywhere , and the automaker probably gets them for a nickel .
The LED runs on a narrow voltage range so it needs a power supply which tends to be an IC , two transistors , and a resistor ( for limiting current ) as well as a PC board , and probably its own enclosure to avoid shorts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The lamp in your dome light will put out light pretty reliably from about 6 or 7 up to about 15 volts and is available everywhere, and the automaker probably gets them for a nickel.
The LED runs on a narrow voltage range so it needs a power supply which tends to be an IC, two transistors, and a resistor (for limiting current) as well as a PC board, and probably its own enclosure to avoid shorts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28251891</id>
	<title>When? Where?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244480520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been reading about new photovoltaic technologies and manufacturing techniques that promise to improve efficiencies and lower costs by a factor of 5 or more, for years.  Where are they?  When will we see them on the market? <br>
&nbsp; <br>The factor of 5 is important.  It would reduce the costs to the consumer so that a typical system would pay for itself in 4-5 years, instead of the 20-25 years it typically now takes.  When you change the pay-off like that, the economics of solar photovoltaic systems change dramatically, which should also increase their use dramatically.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been reading about new photovoltaic technologies and manufacturing techniques that promise to improve efficiencies and lower costs by a factor of 5 or more , for years .
Where are they ?
When will we see them on the market ?
  The factor of 5 is important .
It would reduce the costs to the consumer so that a typical system would pay for itself in 4-5 years , instead of the 20-25 years it typically now takes .
When you change the pay-off like that , the economics of solar photovoltaic systems change dramatically , which should also increase their use dramatically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been reading about new photovoltaic technologies and manufacturing techniques that promise to improve efficiencies and lower costs by a factor of 5 or more, for years.
Where are they?
When will we see them on the market?
  The factor of 5 is important.
It would reduce the costs to the consumer so that a typical system would pay for itself in 4-5 years, instead of the 20-25 years it typically now takes.
When you change the pay-off like that, the economics of solar photovoltaic systems change dramatically, which should also increase their use dramatically.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28247011</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>wisty</author>
	<datestamp>1244394780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Inverters are a cost, but thin film is no worse off - your inverter won't care that you have a larger area of cellls to produce the same voltage.</p><p>Besides, a lot of electronic equipment can run off DC. Why should you invert the power, then run it through a rectifier, then pump it into your laptop?</p><p>AC power is good for long-distance transmission, but it's no better for consumer use. Air conditioners might prefer AC, but mostly a move to DC could be just as good. Houses could be wired to have an AC system (for obsolete equipment, and stuff that needs electric pumps), and a low voltage DC rail (for new stuff). It might also mean cheaper electronics, if you don't need a bloody rectifier in every piece of white plastic you own.</p><p>Edison FTW!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Inverters are a cost , but thin film is no worse off - your inverter wo n't care that you have a larger area of cellls to produce the same voltage.Besides , a lot of electronic equipment can run off DC .
Why should you invert the power , then run it through a rectifier , then pump it into your laptop ? AC power is good for long-distance transmission , but it 's no better for consumer use .
Air conditioners might prefer AC , but mostly a move to DC could be just as good .
Houses could be wired to have an AC system ( for obsolete equipment , and stuff that needs electric pumps ) , and a low voltage DC rail ( for new stuff ) .
It might also mean cheaper electronics , if you do n't need a bloody rectifier in every piece of white plastic you own.Edison FTW ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inverters are a cost, but thin film is no worse off - your inverter won't care that you have a larger area of cellls to produce the same voltage.Besides, a lot of electronic equipment can run off DC.
Why should you invert the power, then run it through a rectifier, then pump it into your laptop?AC power is good for long-distance transmission, but it's no better for consumer use.
Air conditioners might prefer AC, but mostly a move to DC could be just as good.
Houses could be wired to have an AC system (for obsolete equipment, and stuff that needs electric pumps), and a low voltage DC rail (for new stuff).
It might also mean cheaper electronics, if you don't need a bloody rectifier in every piece of white plastic you own.Edison FTW!!!
!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28251927</id>
	<title>I cry BullSh*t on all these new tech advances...</title>
	<author>Simonetta</author>
	<datestamp>1244480760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up...</i></p><p>
&nbsp; But they don't show up.  Of all the hundreds of news stories of amazing technologies that have appeared on Slashdot over the past ten years, how many can you just go out and buy at Target or Home Depot?</p><p>
&nbsp; None.</p><p>
&nbsp; Maybe one or two.  probably not.</p><p>
&nbsp; Any announcement of an amazing technological breakthrough that appears on Slashdot generally stays that.  A press release of an amazing technological breakthrough that's going to solve a major problem.  How much of this amazing technology actually becomes purchasable product?  Next to none, if not none.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Sad but true.  Most of the stories that you read on Slashdot about amazing technological breakthroughs are just bullshit.  Pipe dreams.  Fantasies of techno-nerds hallucinating from watching too much Star Trek and fed to gullible but lovingly stupid media people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it amazing how all of these advancements show up.. .   But they do n't show up .
Of all the hundreds of news stories of amazing technologies that have appeared on Slashdot over the past ten years , how many can you just go out and buy at Target or Home Depot ?
  None .
  Maybe one or two .
probably not .
  Any announcement of an amazing technological breakthrough that appears on Slashdot generally stays that .
A press release of an amazing technological breakthrough that 's going to solve a major problem .
How much of this amazing technology actually becomes purchasable product ?
Next to none , if not none .
    Sad but true .
Most of the stories that you read on Slashdot about amazing technological breakthroughs are just bullshit .
Pipe dreams .
Fantasies of techno-nerds hallucinating from watching too much Star Trek and fed to gullible but lovingly stupid media people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up...
  But they don't show up.
Of all the hundreds of news stories of amazing technologies that have appeared on Slashdot over the past ten years, how many can you just go out and buy at Target or Home Depot?
  None.
  Maybe one or two.
probably not.
  Any announcement of an amazing technological breakthrough that appears on Slashdot generally stays that.
A press release of an amazing technological breakthrough that's going to solve a major problem.
How much of this amazing technology actually becomes purchasable product?
Next to none, if not none.
    Sad but true.
Most of the stories that you read on Slashdot about amazing technological breakthroughs are just bullshit.
Pipe dreams.
Fantasies of techno-nerds hallucinating from watching too much Star Trek and fed to gullible but lovingly stupid media people.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28244929</id>
	<title>Regular Solar Panels</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244375460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Regular Solar Panels are not bulky. It is the structure that is bulky.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Regular Solar Panels are not bulky .
It is the structure that is bulky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regular Solar Panels are not bulky.
It is the structure that is bulky.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246265</id>
	<title>white panels to be required in the USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244387400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is going to replace all the existing dark colored solar panels installed in the USA, when the White Roof Law is enacted?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is going to replace all the existing dark colored solar panels installed in the USA , when the White Roof Law is enacted ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is going to replace all the existing dark colored solar panels installed in the USA, when the White Roof Law is enacted?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28249399</id>
	<title>Great new advancement</title>
	<author>Drakkenmensch</author>
	<datestamp>1244466000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because these panels are flexible, this means you could easily cover round or curved surfaces, like flag or telephone poles. Imagine a wind generator whose support pillar is itself covered in solar panels for a green power double whammy!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because these panels are flexible , this means you could easily cover round or curved surfaces , like flag or telephone poles .
Imagine a wind generator whose support pillar is itself covered in solar panels for a green power double whammy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because these panels are flexible, this means you could easily cover round or curved surfaces, like flag or telephone poles.
Imagine a wind generator whose support pillar is itself covered in solar panels for a green power double whammy!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246009</id>
	<title>Re:Safety</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1244384820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nonsense, that would be geothermal. Compare the rates of burned to death by volcanoes with died of skin cancer, I think the answer is obvious.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nonsense , that would be geothermal .
Compare the rates of burned to death by volcanoes with died of skin cancer , I think the answer is obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nonsense, that would be geothermal.
Compare the rates of burned to death by volcanoes with died of skin cancer, I think the answer is obvious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246727</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244391780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?</i></p><p>Try my fast and easy three step plan:</p><ol> <li>Put the crack pipe down.</li><li>Take Obama's dick out of your mouth.</li><li>Profit!</li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push ? Try my fast and easy three step plan : Put the crack pipe down.Take Obama 's dick out of your mouth.Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?Try my fast and easy three step plan: Put the crack pipe down.Take Obama's dick out of your mouth.Profit!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245981</id>
	<title>Re:Slowly becoming cost-effective</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1244384460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those may have been true fifty years ago.  But today none of them are.</p><p>1) You missed an important reason.  Clay absorbs and releases moisture from the air, regulating humidity levels.  This is the reason clay is used in flower pots, and for food storage.  Aside from local availability, this was one reason clay roofs were used "for hundreds of years" in desert environments.  Today, however, every clay tile roof has an underlayment of asphalt roofing material.  The clay is not exposed to the indoors and any benefit is lost.</p><p>2) Clay tiles are not cheap.  They are one of the most expensive roofing materials.  They break easily and cost more to install and maintain.  Though the tiles themselves do last a long time, the asphalt underlayment mentioned in (1) still has to be replaced periodically.</p><p>3) Every house has large patches of exposed asphalt shingles around the air conditioning units, which are mounted on the roof.  These don't "spontaneously combust" as you claim.  In fact that's pretty much just a ridiculous myth.</p><p>The clay tiles are almost purely aesthetic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those may have been true fifty years ago .
But today none of them are.1 ) You missed an important reason .
Clay absorbs and releases moisture from the air , regulating humidity levels .
This is the reason clay is used in flower pots , and for food storage .
Aside from local availability , this was one reason clay roofs were used " for hundreds of years " in desert environments .
Today , however , every clay tile roof has an underlayment of asphalt roofing material .
The clay is not exposed to the indoors and any benefit is lost.2 ) Clay tiles are not cheap .
They are one of the most expensive roofing materials .
They break easily and cost more to install and maintain .
Though the tiles themselves do last a long time , the asphalt underlayment mentioned in ( 1 ) still has to be replaced periodically.3 ) Every house has large patches of exposed asphalt shingles around the air conditioning units , which are mounted on the roof .
These do n't " spontaneously combust " as you claim .
In fact that 's pretty much just a ridiculous myth.The clay tiles are almost purely aesthetic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those may have been true fifty years ago.
But today none of them are.1) You missed an important reason.
Clay absorbs and releases moisture from the air, regulating humidity levels.
This is the reason clay is used in flower pots, and for food storage.
Aside from local availability, this was one reason clay roofs were used "for hundreds of years" in desert environments.
Today, however, every clay tile roof has an underlayment of asphalt roofing material.
The clay is not exposed to the indoors and any benefit is lost.2) Clay tiles are not cheap.
They are one of the most expensive roofing materials.
They break easily and cost more to install and maintain.
Though the tiles themselves do last a long time, the asphalt underlayment mentioned in (1) still has to be replaced periodically.3) Every house has large patches of exposed asphalt shingles around the air conditioning units, which are mounted on the roof.
These don't "spontaneously combust" as you claim.
In fact that's pretty much just a ridiculous myth.The clay tiles are almost purely aesthetic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245659</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244381400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?</p></div><p>Allow me to translate:</p><p>Isn't it amazing that when something becomes trendy suddenly everyone is doing it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push ? Allow me to translate : Is n't it amazing that when something becomes trendy suddenly everyone is doing it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?Allow me to translate:Isn't it amazing that when something becomes trendy suddenly everyone is doing it?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28249651</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>FordPrefect276709</author>
	<datestamp>1244468160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>if you have a roof or any other solar exposed surface, go and mount panels to heat water.

it's the only reasonable thing to do. solar power is great for low-temp heat harvesting and you don't need expensive (in terms of $ or in terms of resources wasted) controlling electronic.

water saves 4.182 kJ per K at no cost &amp; you will save a big lot of $$$ in heating too cold water with valuable electricity or oil!

producing electricity from solar power will almost never pay out.

and PLEASE: never ever lay those panels flat out on the floor or flat on a wall. it's the most stupid thing I see so often! mount it in an angle of about 45 degrees, 'cos that's the angle you gain the biggest cross-section to the average sun beam (the angle varies by your geo-spatial position and can be calculated (we did it in the university and round our place its 43.xy degrees.... everything else is just a huge waste of too expensive panels!</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you have a roof or any other solar exposed surface , go and mount panels to heat water .
it 's the only reasonable thing to do .
solar power is great for low-temp heat harvesting and you do n't need expensive ( in terms of $ or in terms of resources wasted ) controlling electronic .
water saves 4.182 kJ per K at no cost &amp; you will save a big lot of $ $ $ in heating too cold water with valuable electricity or oil !
producing electricity from solar power will almost never pay out .
and PLEASE : never ever lay those panels flat out on the floor or flat on a wall .
it 's the most stupid thing I see so often !
mount it in an angle of about 45 degrees , 'cos that 's the angle you gain the biggest cross-section to the average sun beam ( the angle varies by your geo-spatial position and can be calculated ( we did it in the university and round our place its 43.xy degrees.... everything else is just a huge waste of too expensive panels !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you have a roof or any other solar exposed surface, go and mount panels to heat water.
it's the only reasonable thing to do.
solar power is great for low-temp heat harvesting and you don't need expensive (in terms of $ or in terms of resources wasted) controlling electronic.
water saves 4.182 kJ per K at no cost &amp; you will save a big lot of $$$ in heating too cold water with valuable electricity or oil!
producing electricity from solar power will almost never pay out.
and PLEASE: never ever lay those panels flat out on the floor or flat on a wall.
it's the most stupid thing I see so often!
mount it in an angle of about 45 degrees, 'cos that's the angle you gain the biggest cross-section to the average sun beam (the angle varies by your geo-spatial position and can be calculated (we did it in the university and round our place its 43.xy degrees.... everything else is just a huge waste of too expensive panels!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28244993</id>
	<title>Will we actually be able to buy these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244375880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We all heard about how great Nanosolar is, but it's not actually possible to buy any. Will this stuff be any different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We all heard about how great Nanosolar is , but it 's not actually possible to buy any .
Will this stuff be any different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all heard about how great Nanosolar is, but it's not actually possible to buy any.
Will this stuff be any different?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245289</id>
	<title>Re:How much will it cost?</title>
	<author>SourPatchKid</author>
	<datestamp>1244378160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are some on Ebay from a company called Power film Solar and they go for $320 for a 21 watt. I can't imagine this company would be much cheaper. So it is a little pricey for the average consumer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are some on Ebay from a company called Power film Solar and they go for $ 320 for a 21 watt .
I ca n't imagine this company would be much cheaper .
So it is a little pricey for the average consumer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are some on Ebay from a company called Power film Solar and they go for $320 for a 21 watt.
I can't imagine this company would be much cheaper.
So it is a little pricey for the average consumer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245171</id>
	<title>Re:Easy money</title>
	<author>AuMatar</author>
	<datestamp>1244377380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the 80s, where I thought I was cool for having a solar powered calculator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the 80s , where I thought I was cool for having a solar powered calculator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the 80s, where I thought I was cool for having a solar powered calculator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245715</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244381760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The foreign bastard with his 78 iq elected by millions of dead and illegals had nothing to do with this or the other "advancements".   Everyone that has been listed here over the past few months have been being worked on for ages, most of which have shown to be dead ends years ago, it's just know they know we will piss away money on trying to get failed innovations to work, since those in charge of funding now don't care how bad they screw us all just so they get more power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The foreign bastard with his 78 iq elected by millions of dead and illegals had nothing to do with this or the other " advancements " .
Everyone that has been listed here over the past few months have been being worked on for ages , most of which have shown to be dead ends years ago , it 's just know they know we will piss away money on trying to get failed innovations to work , since those in charge of funding now do n't care how bad they screw us all just so they get more power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The foreign bastard with his 78 iq elected by millions of dead and illegals had nothing to do with this or the other "advancements".
Everyone that has been listed here over the past few months have been being worked on for ages, most of which have shown to be dead ends years ago, it's just know they know we will piss away money on trying to get failed innovations to work, since those in charge of funding now don't care how bad they screw us all just so they get more power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28247181</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1244396760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Second, quite frankly, the technique means crap, because they are inefficient, cheap panels, which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.</i></p><p>1. There's no shortage of unused roof space in the world right now.  What matters is cost per watt.  Make it cheap enough, and it'll be installed everywhere.</p><p>2. Home-scale inverters would be a heck of a lot cheaper if their volume went up 1,000-fold.  And that's what'd happen if solar panels that were easy to install on new (or especially existing) homes could be made cheaply enough.</p><p>3. Solar panels aren't only used on roofs.  I actually have a flexible solar panel.  It's only 12V/5W -- not exactly a roof-scale installation.  I use it for backpacking.  I wired it up to a car lighter socket-&gt;USB converter, and when it's sunny, I can charge AAs and AAAs (two at a time, in a couple hours), a cell phone, or run other USB accessories.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Second , quite frankly , the technique means crap , because they are inefficient , cheap panels , which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.1 .
There 's no shortage of unused roof space in the world right now .
What matters is cost per watt .
Make it cheap enough , and it 'll be installed everywhere.2 .
Home-scale inverters would be a heck of a lot cheaper if their volume went up 1,000-fold .
And that 's what 'd happen if solar panels that were easy to install on new ( or especially existing ) homes could be made cheaply enough.3 .
Solar panels are n't only used on roofs .
I actually have a flexible solar panel .
It 's only 12V/5W -- not exactly a roof-scale installation .
I use it for backpacking .
I wired it up to a car lighter socket- &gt; USB converter , and when it 's sunny , I can charge AAs and AAAs ( two at a time , in a couple hours ) , a cell phone , or run other USB accessories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second, quite frankly, the technique means crap, because they are inefficient, cheap panels, which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.1.
There's no shortage of unused roof space in the world right now.
What matters is cost per watt.
Make it cheap enough, and it'll be installed everywhere.2.
Home-scale inverters would be a heck of a lot cheaper if their volume went up 1,000-fold.
And that's what'd happen if solar panels that were easy to install on new (or especially existing) homes could be made cheaply enough.3.
Solar panels aren't only used on roofs.
I actually have a flexible solar panel.
It's only 12V/5W -- not exactly a roof-scale installation.
I use it for backpacking.
I wired it up to a car lighter socket-&gt;USB converter, and when it's sunny, I can charge AAs and AAAs (two at a time, in a couple hours), a cell phone, or run other USB accessories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246063</id>
	<title>Options and Choices.  Good signs.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244385300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the last 18 months we have seen numerous announcements regarding solar power generation.</p><p>We've seen advances in<br>-Manufacturing speed.<br>-Toxic material reductions.<br>-Efficiency boosts in rigid cells.<br>-New products like this flexible.</p><p>Yah sure solar has issues.  But now given a space that may be inappropriate for wind you can now find a solution in solar.</p><p>This is all good.</p><p>Maybe one day industry will be draining it's massive power needs from the residentially power generating grid.  This should be more than doable in 20 years.</p><p>( Next item we need to add to the list of critically needed tech.  Water purification and desalination that can be applied in the residential markets. Imagine how much land would open up for crops, settlement, and carbon sinking if we just had cheap and easy to deploy water desalination. )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the last 18 months we have seen numerous announcements regarding solar power generation.We 've seen advances in-Manufacturing speed.-Toxic material reductions.-Efficiency boosts in rigid cells.-New products like this flexible.Yah sure solar has issues .
But now given a space that may be inappropriate for wind you can now find a solution in solar.This is all good.Maybe one day industry will be draining it 's massive power needs from the residentially power generating grid .
This should be more than doable in 20 years .
( Next item we need to add to the list of critically needed tech .
Water purification and desalination that can be applied in the residential markets .
Imagine how much land would open up for crops , settlement , and carbon sinking if we just had cheap and easy to deploy water desalination .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the last 18 months we have seen numerous announcements regarding solar power generation.We've seen advances in-Manufacturing speed.-Toxic material reductions.-Efficiency boosts in rigid cells.-New products like this flexible.Yah sure solar has issues.
But now given a space that may be inappropriate for wind you can now find a solution in solar.This is all good.Maybe one day industry will be draining it's massive power needs from the residentially power generating grid.
This should be more than doable in 20 years.
( Next item we need to add to the list of critically needed tech.
Water purification and desalination that can be applied in the residential markets.
Imagine how much land would open up for crops, settlement, and carbon sinking if we just had cheap and easy to deploy water desalination.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28247045</id>
	<title>Fallout 3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244395140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Next item we need to add to the list of critically needed tech. Water purification</p></div></blockquote><p>Let me guess... been playing a lot of <a href="http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Project\_Purity" title="wikia.com">Fallout 3</a> [wikia.com] lately?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next item we need to add to the list of critically needed tech .
Water purificationLet me guess... been playing a lot of Fallout 3 [ wikia.com ] lately ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next item we need to add to the list of critically needed tech.
Water purificationLet me guess... been playing a lot of Fallout 3 [wikia.com] lately?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28251633</id>
	<title>Re:Sigh, another technology that will make it some</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244479020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure they're busy figuring out how to charge 10x as much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure they 're busy figuring out how to charge 10x as much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure they're busy figuring out how to charge 10x as much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28252369</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>ninjackn</author>
	<datestamp>1244482860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Houses could be wired to have an AC system (for obsolete equipment, and stuff that needs electric pumps), and a low voltage DC rail (for new stuff). It might also mean cheaper electronics, if you don't need a bloody rectifier in every piece of white plastic you own.</p></div><p>Anything over say.... 2 meters IS long distance. If you're connect tons of devices to some unified DC rail throughout the house I imagine there's gonna be a decent amount of current which means you're gonna be loosing a lot of power just through wire resistance. To compensate for that you would either need to have a higher voltage (say.... 48V like they use in Power Over Ethernet). The higher DC voltage still requires a device to step it down to say 24/16/12V for your laptop or 5V for your ipod/phone/portable gaming system. The best solution is to have a large efficient AC to DC converter to which you can plug in all your DC devices into.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Houses could be wired to have an AC system ( for obsolete equipment , and stuff that needs electric pumps ) , and a low voltage DC rail ( for new stuff ) .
It might also mean cheaper electronics , if you do n't need a bloody rectifier in every piece of white plastic you own.Anything over say.... 2 meters IS long distance .
If you 're connect tons of devices to some unified DC rail throughout the house I imagine there 's gon na be a decent amount of current which means you 're gon na be loosing a lot of power just through wire resistance .
To compensate for that you would either need to have a higher voltage ( say.... 48V like they use in Power Over Ethernet ) .
The higher DC voltage still requires a device to step it down to say 24/16/12V for your laptop or 5V for your ipod/phone/portable gaming system .
The best solution is to have a large efficient AC to DC converter to which you can plug in all your DC devices into .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Houses could be wired to have an AC system (for obsolete equipment, and stuff that needs electric pumps), and a low voltage DC rail (for new stuff).
It might also mean cheaper electronics, if you don't need a bloody rectifier in every piece of white plastic you own.Anything over say.... 2 meters IS long distance.
If you're connect tons of devices to some unified DC rail throughout the house I imagine there's gonna be a decent amount of current which means you're gonna be loosing a lot of power just through wire resistance.
To compensate for that you would either need to have a higher voltage (say.... 48V like they use in Power Over Ethernet).
The higher DC voltage still requires a device to step it down to say 24/16/12V for your laptop or 5V for your ipod/phone/portable gaming system.
The best solution is to have a large efficient AC to DC converter to which you can plug in all your DC devices into.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246277</id>
	<title>Saw this tech at a defense contractor tradeshow</title>
	<author>yerktoader</author>
	<datestamp>1244387520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>About month or so ago.  The company also has portable rechargeable battery packs.  The packs have multiple outlets and outlet types and variable voltage settings.  They have enough to power laptop computers and ruggedized military equipment.  For the life of me, I can't remember their name.<br> <br>But with such a technology already in existence, one that is clearly capable of handling a variety of loads, why is the above story news?</htmltext>
<tokenext>About month or so ago .
The company also has portable rechargeable battery packs .
The packs have multiple outlets and outlet types and variable voltage settings .
They have enough to power laptop computers and ruggedized military equipment .
For the life of me , I ca n't remember their name .
But with such a technology already in existence , one that is clearly capable of handling a variety of loads , why is the above story news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About month or so ago.
The company also has portable rechargeable battery packs.
The packs have multiple outlets and outlet types and variable voltage settings.
They have enough to power laptop computers and ruggedized military equipment.
For the life of me, I can't remember their name.
But with such a technology already in existence, one that is clearly capable of handling a variety of loads, why is the above story news?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246647</id>
	<title>Re:How much will it cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244391060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;If only they showed us a price we'd know if they were the future or not.</p><p>Chances are good the parties who are actually in the market don't get "shown a price" either.  They submit sealed bids...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; If only they showed us a price we 'd know if they were the future or not.Chances are good the parties who are actually in the market do n't get " shown a price " either .
They submit sealed bids.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;If only they showed us a price we'd know if they were the future or not.Chances are good the parties who are actually in the market don't get "shown a price" either.
They submit sealed bids...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28247379</id>
	<title>never going to make it to market</title>
	<author>AnAdventurer</author>
	<datestamp>1244399460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an off grid estate in Hawaii. Didn't RTFA but, I am still paying $139 for a 130W panel. Love to see some of this tech make it to consumers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an off grid estate in Hawaii .
Did n't RTFA but , I am still paying $ 139 for a 130W panel .
Love to see some of this tech make it to consumers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an off grid estate in Hawaii.
Didn't RTFA but, I am still paying $139 for a 130W panel.
Love to see some of this tech make it to consumers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245143</id>
	<title>nice new tech</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1244377080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>dupe this when i can buy it at HomeDepot or Lowes, Mkay? Thanks</htmltext>
<tokenext>dupe this when i can buy it at HomeDepot or Lowes , Mkay ?
Thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dupe this when i can buy it at HomeDepot or Lowes, Mkay?
Thanks</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28246879</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>feepness</author>
	<datestamp>1244393400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?</p></div><p>It really is amazing how they founded a company, got a grant, looked into an area of research, and made a breakthrough all in less than three months.
<br> <br>
I gotta hand it to the administration.  I used to think government was inefficient.  Now I know better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push ? It really is amazing how they founded a company , got a grant , looked into an area of research , and made a breakthrough all in less than three months .
I got ta hand it to the administration .
I used to think government was inefficient .
Now I know better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?It really is amazing how they founded a company, got a grant, looked into an area of research, and made a breakthrough all in less than three months.
I gotta hand it to the administration.
I used to think government was inefficient.
Now I know better.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28260331</id>
	<title>Re:Why your dome light isn't an LED</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1244474400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But...every car I've had that was made in the past 1.5 decades or so already has fancy dome light electronics -- including a dimmer circuit for smooth ramps between states.</p><p>Reworking that to handle the different linearity of an LED and to add current limiting for an LED just seem so cheap, by comparison.  (This is not to say that I think you're wrong, however -- just because it's cheap, doesn't mean it's free.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But...every car I 've had that was made in the past 1.5 decades or so already has fancy dome light electronics -- including a dimmer circuit for smooth ramps between states.Reworking that to handle the different linearity of an LED and to add current limiting for an LED just seem so cheap , by comparison .
( This is not to say that I think you 're wrong , however -- just because it 's cheap , does n't mean it 's free .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But...every car I've had that was made in the past 1.5 decades or so already has fancy dome light electronics -- including a dimmer circuit for smooth ramps between states.Reworking that to handle the different linearity of an LED and to add current limiting for an LED just seem so cheap, by comparison.
(This is not to say that I think you're wrong, however -- just because it's cheap, doesn't mean it's free.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28253253</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>Ferretman</author>
	<datestamp>1244486580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think  you've been paying attention--we've had "advancements" like this making the Slashdot front page for years.  None are on the market yet....maybe this will be the one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you 've been paying attention--we 've had " advancements " like this making the Slashdot front page for years .
None are on the market yet....maybe this will be the one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think  you've been paying attention--we've had "advancements" like this making the Slashdot front page for years.
None are on the market yet....maybe this will be the one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245287</id>
	<title>Camping</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244378160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The CEO mentioned carrying the sheet in a backpack.  I wonder if they could be used as the outer layer of a tarp or tent - just think, you could recharge your mobile electronics gear and maybe even cook w/o a fire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The CEO mentioned carrying the sheet in a backpack .
I wonder if they could be used as the outer layer of a tarp or tent - just think , you could recharge your mobile electronics gear and maybe even cook w/o a fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CEO mentioned carrying the sheet in a backpack.
I wonder if they could be used as the outer layer of a tarp or tent - just think, you could recharge your mobile electronics gear and maybe even cook w/o a fire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28244935</id>
	<title>I agree with ths article.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244375520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As TFA indicates, these panels are perfect for anal insertion, which the author says creates a pleasant microelectric current through the rectum all day long. I have been looking for a product like this for ages and finally it is here! Viva Italia!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As TFA indicates , these panels are perfect for anal insertion , which the author says creates a pleasant microelectric current through the rectum all day long .
I have been looking for a product like this for ages and finally it is here !
Viva Italia !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As TFA indicates, these panels are perfect for anal insertion, which the author says creates a pleasant microelectric current through the rectum all day long.
I have been looking for a product like this for ages and finally it is here!
Viva Italia!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28248285</id>
	<title>Re:Imagine that</title>
	<author>SlashWombat</author>
	<datestamp>1244452920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First, what "little push" would that be? You (quite deliberately) don't say. Second, quite frankly, the technique means crap, because they are inefficient, cheap panels, which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.</p></div><p>H'mm,  Actually, the cells use only five square meters, which is a tiny fraction of the size of most house roofs. Secondly, while they are "only" 8\% efficient, this happens to be as good, if not better, than the greater percentage of solar cells available on the market. (Fact is, most manufacturers are careful to avoid quoting an efficiency figure, but you can work one out easily enough.) Your bitch about the panels being of less importance (cost wise) than the panels would also seem extremely suspect. If they are expensive, it means they are still at rip off prices. (Just don't bother feeding the grid, and use cheap inverters. (Of course, then the batteries become the expensive part<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First , what " little push " would that be ?
You ( quite deliberately ) do n't say .
Second , quite frankly , the technique means crap , because they are inefficient , cheap panels , which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.H'mm , Actually , the cells use only five square meters , which is a tiny fraction of the size of most house roofs .
Secondly , while they are " only " 8 \ % efficient , this happens to be as good , if not better , than the greater percentage of solar cells available on the market .
( Fact is , most manufacturers are careful to avoid quoting an efficiency figure , but you can work one out easily enough .
) Your bitch about the panels being of less importance ( cost wise ) than the panels would also seem extremely suspect .
If they are expensive , it means they are still at rip off prices .
( Just do n't bother feeding the grid , and use cheap inverters .
( Of course , then the batteries become the expensive part ... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, what "little push" would that be?
You (quite deliberately) don't say.
Second, quite frankly, the technique means crap, because they are inefficient, cheap panels, which makes no sense unless you have a huge roof.H'mm,  Actually, the cells use only five square meters, which is a tiny fraction of the size of most house roofs.
Secondly, while they are "only" 8\% efficient, this happens to be as good, if not better, than the greater percentage of solar cells available on the market.
(Fact is, most manufacturers are careful to avoid quoting an efficiency figure, but you can work one out easily enough.
) Your bitch about the panels being of less importance (cost wise) than the panels would also seem extremely suspect.
If they are expensive, it means they are still at rip off prices.
(Just don't bother feeding the grid, and use cheap inverters.
(Of course, then the batteries become the expensive part ...)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28244971</id>
	<title>Easy money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244375760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Miniaturize the solar panels.<br>2. Make adapters for them so they can be used in everyday devices (phones and such)<br>3. ???<br>4.Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Miniaturize the solar panels.2 .
Make adapters for them so they can be used in everyday devices ( phones and such ) 3 .
? ? ? 4.Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Miniaturize the solar panels.2.
Make adapters for them so they can be used in everyday devices (phones and such)3.
???4.Profit!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28244925</id>
	<title>Imagine that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244375460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it amazing how all of these advancements show up when given a little push?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245189</id>
	<title>Yet another great product on the horizon...</title>
	<author>portablejim</author>
	<datestamp>1244377440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tell me when it actually gets into stores.

A few years ago the news came out about sliver cells. (site: <a href="http://www.originenergy.com.au/1257/Photos-of-SLIVER-modules" title="originenergy.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.originenergy.com.au/1257/Photos-of-SLIVER-modules</a> [originenergy.com.au])(story transcript: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1865651.htm" title="abc.net.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1865651.htm) They are bendable and even transparent, with a similar efficiency of traditional cells. (</a> [abc.net.au]<a href="http://www.originenergy.com.au/1234/About-SLIVER" title="originenergy.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.originenergy.com.au/1234/About-SLIVER</a> [originenergy.com.au] - down near the bottom of the page).

Could someone please tell me where to buy a sliver cell?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me when it actually gets into stores .
A few years ago the news came out about sliver cells .
( site : http : //www.originenergy.com.au/1257/Photos-of-SLIVER-modules [ originenergy.com.au ] ) ( story transcript : http : //www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1865651.htm ) They are bendable and even transparent , with a similar efficiency of traditional cells .
( [ abc.net.au ] http : //www.originenergy.com.au/1234/About-SLIVER [ originenergy.com.au ] - down near the bottom of the page ) .
Could someone please tell me where to buy a sliver cell ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me when it actually gets into stores.
A few years ago the news came out about sliver cells.
(site: http://www.originenergy.com.au/1257/Photos-of-SLIVER-modules [originenergy.com.au])(story transcript: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1865651.htm) They are bendable and even transparent, with a similar efficiency of traditional cells.
( [abc.net.au]http://www.originenergy.com.au/1234/About-SLIVER [originenergy.com.au] - down near the bottom of the page).
Could someone please tell me where to buy a sliver cell?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28253403</id>
	<title>Nanosolar has been doing this for a while too.</title>
	<author>Wild\_dog!</author>
	<datestamp>1244487420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are lots of companies that have been doing this I believe.
It is more efficient. Costs less and could provide enough solar panels to coat houses, cars, buildings... Heck why not coat the sidewalks out of this stuff and power our street lights.

It is all very cool technology.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are lots of companies that have been doing this I believe .
It is more efficient .
Costs less and could provide enough solar panels to coat houses , cars , buildings... Heck why not coat the sidewalks out of this stuff and power our street lights .
It is all very cool technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are lots of companies that have been doing this I believe.
It is more efficient.
Costs less and could provide enough solar panels to coat houses, cars, buildings... Heck why not coat the sidewalks out of this stuff and power our street lights.
It is all very cool technology.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245965</id>
	<title>Re:Safety</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244384340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it's by far the most dangerous. It is completely unshielded, and its ionizing radiation is responsible for thousands of cancer deaths each year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it 's by far the most dangerous .
It is completely unshielded , and its ionizing radiation is responsible for thousands of cancer deaths each year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it's by far the most dangerous.
It is completely unshielded, and its ionizing radiation is responsible for thousands of cancer deaths each year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_2152235.28245437</id>
	<title>Re:Will we actually be able to buy these?...never</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244379600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No need for them to produce those cells any cheaper, any time soon, either...</p><p>What we all want is an affordable solar array, of our very own...but that most likely doesn't square with the business models of either Nanosolar, or your local utility...nobody has a real market incentive to make that happen...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No need for them to produce those cells any cheaper , any time soon , either...What we all want is an affordable solar array , of our very own...but that most likely does n't square with the business models of either Nanosolar , or your local utility...nobody has a real market incentive to make that happen.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No need for them to produce those cells any cheaper, any time soon, either...What we all want is an affordable solar array, of our very own...but that most likely doesn't square with the business models of either Nanosolar, or your local utility...nobody has a real market incentive to make that happen...</sentencetext>
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