<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_07_1156249</id>
	<title>ARM-Powered Linux Laptops Unveiled At Computex</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1244381400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://techvideoblog.com/" rel="nofollow">Charbax</a> writes <i>"At Computex in Taipei on June 2-6th, several companies <a href="http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217700918">unveiled ARM-powered laptops</a> that are cheaper ($99 to $199), last much longer on a regular 3-cell battery (8-15 hours) and can still add cool new features such as a built-in HDMI 720p or 1080p output, 3D acceleration, connected standby and more. The ARM Linux laptops shown as working prototypes at Computex will run Ubuntu 9.10 (optimized for ARM), Google Android, Xandros OS for ARM, or some Red Flag Linux type of OS. In this video, the Director of Mobile Computing at ARM, is giving us all the latest details on <a href="http://techvideoblog.com/computex/arm-director-of-mobile-computing-about-arm-laptops-with-android-and-ubuntu/">the status for the support of full Flash</a> (with all actionscripts), the optimizations of the web browser (accelerating rendering/scrolling using the GPU/DSP), the stuff that Google is working on to adapt Android 2.0 Donut release for laptop screens and interfaces and more. At Computex I also filmed an <a href="http://techvideoblog.com/computex/nvidia-tegra-hd-streaming-and-flash-support-demonstrated-by-gordon-grigor-director-og-mobile-software/">interview with the Nvidia team</a> working on Tegra laptops, the Qualcomm people <a href="http://techvideoblog.com/computex/qualcomm-snapdragon-powered-smartbooks-and-smartphones/">working on Snapdragon devices</a> and the Freescale people doing their <a href="http://techvideoblog.com/computex/arm-freescale-smartbooks-and-smartphones/">awesomely thin ARM laptops</a> in cooperation with manufacturers such as Pegatron as well."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Charbax writes " At Computex in Taipei on June 2-6th , several companies unveiled ARM-powered laptops that are cheaper ( $ 99 to $ 199 ) , last much longer on a regular 3-cell battery ( 8-15 hours ) and can still add cool new features such as a built-in HDMI 720p or 1080p output , 3D acceleration , connected standby and more .
The ARM Linux laptops shown as working prototypes at Computex will run Ubuntu 9.10 ( optimized for ARM ) , Google Android , Xandros OS for ARM , or some Red Flag Linux type of OS .
In this video , the Director of Mobile Computing at ARM , is giving us all the latest details on the status for the support of full Flash ( with all actionscripts ) , the optimizations of the web browser ( accelerating rendering/scrolling using the GPU/DSP ) , the stuff that Google is working on to adapt Android 2.0 Donut release for laptop screens and interfaces and more .
At Computex I also filmed an interview with the Nvidia team working on Tegra laptops , the Qualcomm people working on Snapdragon devices and the Freescale people doing their awesomely thin ARM laptops in cooperation with manufacturers such as Pegatron as well .
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<sentencetext>Charbax writes "At Computex in Taipei on June 2-6th, several companies unveiled ARM-powered laptops that are cheaper ($99 to $199), last much longer on a regular 3-cell battery (8-15 hours) and can still add cool new features such as a built-in HDMI 720p or 1080p output, 3D acceleration, connected standby and more.
The ARM Linux laptops shown as working prototypes at Computex will run Ubuntu 9.10 (optimized for ARM), Google Android, Xandros OS for ARM, or some Red Flag Linux type of OS.
In this video, the Director of Mobile Computing at ARM, is giving us all the latest details on the status for the support of full Flash (with all actionscripts), the optimizations of the web browser (accelerating rendering/scrolling using the GPU/DSP), the stuff that Google is working on to adapt Android 2.0 Donut release for laptop screens and interfaces and more.
At Computex I also filmed an interview with the Nvidia team working on Tegra laptops, the Qualcomm people working on Snapdragon devices and the Freescale people doing their awesomely thin ARM laptops in cooperation with manufacturers such as Pegatron as well.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28245027</id>
	<title>Re:At least someone different sees Linux's problem</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1244376180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"He acknowledged two concerns for smartbooks are the lack of native support for Adobe Flash on ARM and the fragmentation of Linux application environments. However, he said solutions to both issues are in the works." Emphasis in bold mine.</p></div></blockquote><p>The notion of "fragmentation" being a negative attribute of open source software is idiotic. What you call fragmentation, I call freedom. If somebody doesn't like the window manager on their computer, they can change it to one they do like. Or, in the worst case, they can make their own. You simply can't do that (and many other things) effectively or efficiently on a proprietary system with One Blessed User Interface.</p><p>You can't have an open source ecosystem that <i>isn't</i> "fragmented" in the first place, so fighting it is pointless. Every person is going to have a different idea of how a particular line of code should be written, let alone how an entire project should be structured. They are going to arrive at different solutions and are going to prefer their own solutions to others'. It's competition and, in a way, rather like natural selection. The software that solves the problem the best, wins. If there is no clear winner, then at least there are multiple alternatives for users and developers to choose from. I will keep preaching this on Slashdot and everywhere else until it finally sinks in: If you don't want the freedom that open source offers, then <b>don't use it</b>. Really, you won't be hurting anyone's feelings by not jumping on the Linux buzzwagon.</p><blockquote><div><p>Now, these are folks doing very serious work with Linux. Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls. I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job.</p></div></blockquote><p>The difference between the trolls and Google is that Google is doing something about their complaints. Rather than bitching <i>and</i> doing, the trolls were just bitching, which is a very trollish thing to do hence they were correctly modded as such.</p><p>Also, doesn't it strike you as rather hypocritical that Google would bemoan the fragmentation of the "Linux application environments" and then sets out to create their own? I mean, if fragmentation were really that big an issue for them, then they should have taken an existing solution like <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Hildon" title="gnome.org">Hildon</a> [gnome.org], <a href="http://moblin.org/" title="moblin.org">Moblin</a> [moblin.org], or <a href="http://maemo.org/" title="maemo.org">Maemo</a> [maemo.org] and improved or extended it to get the features they wanted. Creating Android only <i>increased</i> the fragmentation of the Linux's mobile interface offerings.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" He acknowledged two concerns for smartbooks are the lack of native support for Adobe Flash on ARM and the fragmentation of Linux application environments .
However , he said solutions to both issues are in the works .
" Emphasis in bold mine.The notion of " fragmentation " being a negative attribute of open source software is idiotic .
What you call fragmentation , I call freedom .
If somebody does n't like the window manager on their computer , they can change it to one they do like .
Or , in the worst case , they can make their own .
You simply ca n't do that ( and many other things ) effectively or efficiently on a proprietary system with One Blessed User Interface.You ca n't have an open source ecosystem that is n't " fragmented " in the first place , so fighting it is pointless .
Every person is going to have a different idea of how a particular line of code should be written , let alone how an entire project should be structured .
They are going to arrive at different solutions and are going to prefer their own solutions to others' .
It 's competition and , in a way , rather like natural selection .
The software that solves the problem the best , wins .
If there is no clear winner , then at least there are multiple alternatives for users and developers to choose from .
I will keep preaching this on Slashdot and everywhere else until it finally sinks in : If you do n't want the freedom that open source offers , then do n't use it .
Really , you wo n't be hurting anyone 's feelings by not jumping on the Linux buzzwagon.Now , these are folks doing very serious work with Linux .
Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls .
I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job.The difference between the trolls and Google is that Google is doing something about their complaints .
Rather than bitching and doing , the trolls were just bitching , which is a very trollish thing to do hence they were correctly modded as such.Also , does n't it strike you as rather hypocritical that Google would bemoan the fragmentation of the " Linux application environments " and then sets out to create their own ?
I mean , if fragmentation were really that big an issue for them , then they should have taken an existing solution like Hildon [ gnome.org ] , Moblin [ moblin.org ] , or Maemo [ maemo.org ] and improved or extended it to get the features they wanted .
Creating Android only increased the fragmentation of the Linux 's mobile interface offerings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"He acknowledged two concerns for smartbooks are the lack of native support for Adobe Flash on ARM and the fragmentation of Linux application environments.
However, he said solutions to both issues are in the works.
" Emphasis in bold mine.The notion of "fragmentation" being a negative attribute of open source software is idiotic.
What you call fragmentation, I call freedom.
If somebody doesn't like the window manager on their computer, they can change it to one they do like.
Or, in the worst case, they can make their own.
You simply can't do that (and many other things) effectively or efficiently on a proprietary system with One Blessed User Interface.You can't have an open source ecosystem that isn't "fragmented" in the first place, so fighting it is pointless.
Every person is going to have a different idea of how a particular line of code should be written, let alone how an entire project should be structured.
They are going to arrive at different solutions and are going to prefer their own solutions to others'.
It's competition and, in a way, rather like natural selection.
The software that solves the problem the best, wins.
If there is no clear winner, then at least there are multiple alternatives for users and developers to choose from.
I will keep preaching this on Slashdot and everywhere else until it finally sinks in: If you don't want the freedom that open source offers, then don't use it.
Really, you won't be hurting anyone's feelings by not jumping on the Linux buzzwagon.Now, these are folks doing very serious work with Linux.
Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls.
I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job.The difference between the trolls and Google is that Google is doing something about their complaints.
Rather than bitching and doing, the trolls were just bitching, which is a very trollish thing to do hence they were correctly modded as such.Also, doesn't it strike you as rather hypocritical that Google would bemoan the fragmentation of the "Linux application environments" and then sets out to create their own?
I mean, if fragmentation were really that big an issue for them, then they should have taken an existing solution like Hildon [gnome.org], Moblin [moblin.org], or Maemo [maemo.org] and improved or extended it to get the features they wanted.
Creating Android only increased the fragmentation of the Linux's mobile interface offerings.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241377</id>
	<title>Re:At least someone different sees Linux's problem</title>
	<author>Celeste R</author>
	<datestamp>1244390640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fragmentation may be an issue, but trying to fix fragmentation by making a one-shot wonder isn't going to make it less fragmented, it's only going to make it more so.</p><p>Especially because it -is- Linux...  I'm sure there's still people out there that are using e9 and xfce (for their own reasons).</p><p>I myself am not disappointed with the fragmented nature of things.  It gives me choice.  I got tired of toying with GNOME, so I moved to KDE.</p><p>Both of them have good applications, and yes, there are some applications that I'd still use over the 'native' counterparts, because they're just that much better.  That's not a problem (to me) either.</p><p>Android is lighter and all; which is a significant plus.  Providing an alternative to the heavyweights (like X) is a good thing!  However, as another alternative, it's only going to fragment the landscape that much more.  (i.e. can I run Android apps on my linux netbook?  yes, but only if you run a container app).</p><p>And then, I have to ask:  would you still want to use that KDE or GNOME app on your android netbook?  Would you want it to be -capable- of running GNOME or KDE apps?  (at worst, this means running a minimalized X server on top of Android).</p><p>The only solution to being able to run those apps at all would mean getting a high-end smartbook.  This would include things like more ram, some sort of hard drive (I'd go with SSD here), and things like that.</p><p>And in the meantime, the general public would have to deal with a limited application environment.  Which...  isn't a big problem, provided it can at least do the basics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fragmentation may be an issue , but trying to fix fragmentation by making a one-shot wonder is n't going to make it less fragmented , it 's only going to make it more so.Especially because it -is- Linux... I 'm sure there 's still people out there that are using e9 and xfce ( for their own reasons ) .I myself am not disappointed with the fragmented nature of things .
It gives me choice .
I got tired of toying with GNOME , so I moved to KDE.Both of them have good applications , and yes , there are some applications that I 'd still use over the 'native ' counterparts , because they 're just that much better .
That 's not a problem ( to me ) either.Android is lighter and all ; which is a significant plus .
Providing an alternative to the heavyweights ( like X ) is a good thing !
However , as another alternative , it 's only going to fragment the landscape that much more .
( i.e. can I run Android apps on my linux netbook ?
yes , but only if you run a container app ) .And then , I have to ask : would you still want to use that KDE or GNOME app on your android netbook ?
Would you want it to be -capable- of running GNOME or KDE apps ?
( at worst , this means running a minimalized X server on top of Android ) .The only solution to being able to run those apps at all would mean getting a high-end smartbook .
This would include things like more ram , some sort of hard drive ( I 'd go with SSD here ) , and things like that.And in the meantime , the general public would have to deal with a limited application environment .
Which... is n't a big problem , provided it can at least do the basics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fragmentation may be an issue, but trying to fix fragmentation by making a one-shot wonder isn't going to make it less fragmented, it's only going to make it more so.Especially because it -is- Linux...  I'm sure there's still people out there that are using e9 and xfce (for their own reasons).I myself am not disappointed with the fragmented nature of things.
It gives me choice.
I got tired of toying with GNOME, so I moved to KDE.Both of them have good applications, and yes, there are some applications that I'd still use over the 'native' counterparts, because they're just that much better.
That's not a problem (to me) either.Android is lighter and all; which is a significant plus.
Providing an alternative to the heavyweights (like X) is a good thing!
However, as another alternative, it's only going to fragment the landscape that much more.
(i.e. can I run Android apps on my linux netbook?
yes, but only if you run a container app).And then, I have to ask:  would you still want to use that KDE or GNOME app on your android netbook?
Would you want it to be -capable- of running GNOME or KDE apps?
(at worst, this means running a minimalized X server on top of Android).The only solution to being able to run those apps at all would mean getting a high-end smartbook.
This would include things like more ram, some sort of hard drive (I'd go with SSD here), and things like that.And in the meantime, the general public would have to deal with a limited application environment.
Which...  isn't a big problem, provided it can at least do the basics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241171</id>
	<title>At least someone different sees Linux's problems</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1244388300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From one of the linked articles...</p><p>"He acknowledged two concerns for smartbooks are the lack of native support for Adobe Flash on ARM and the <b>fragmentation</b> of Linux application environments. However, he said solutions to both issues are in the works." Emphasis in bold mine.</p><p>And further,</p><p>"One of the downsides of Linux is the fragmented nature of it," he said. "That's why so many designers are excited about Google's Android, because it's managed by a single entity," he added."</p><p>Now, these are folks doing very serious work with Linux. Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls. I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From one of the linked articles... " He acknowledged two concerns for smartbooks are the lack of native support for Adobe Flash on ARM and the fragmentation of Linux application environments .
However , he said solutions to both issues are in the works .
" Emphasis in bold mine.And further , " One of the downsides of Linux is the fragmented nature of it , " he said .
" That 's why so many designers are excited about Google 's Android , because it 's managed by a single entity , " he added .
" Now , these are folks doing very serious work with Linux .
Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls .
I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From one of the linked articles..."He acknowledged two concerns for smartbooks are the lack of native support for Adobe Flash on ARM and the fragmentation of Linux application environments.
However, he said solutions to both issues are in the works.
" Emphasis in bold mine.And further,"One of the downsides of Linux is the fragmented nature of it," he said.
"That's why so many designers are excited about Google's Android, because it's managed by a single entity," he added.
"Now, these are folks doing very serious work with Linux.
Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls.
I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241133</id>
	<title>Re:Will they run Linux?</title>
	<author>Erikderzweite</author>
	<datestamp>1244387880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They will be able to run Windows CE (which is a good thing for Linux though<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) ).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They will be able to run Windows CE ( which is a good thing for Linux though : ) ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will be able to run Windows CE (which is a good thing for Linux though :) ).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28246511</id>
	<title>That's Nvidia's Tegra Chip</title>
	<author>SilicaiMan</author>
	<datestamp>1244389740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to take anything away from ARM, who doesn't build and sell chips but rather sells/licenses IP, all of those devices use Nvidia's Tegra platform which combines an ARM core with an Nvidia GPU on the same die.

The whole computer fits onto a module around the same size as a ram stick. All you need is a board to add the connectors, and you're set.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ZDgvXsYDM" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ZDgvXsYDM</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to take anything away from ARM , who does n't build and sell chips but rather sells/licenses IP , all of those devices use Nvidia 's Tegra platform which combines an ARM core with an Nvidia GPU on the same die .
The whole computer fits onto a module around the same size as a ram stick .
All you need is a board to add the connectors , and you 're set .
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = N6ZDgvXsYDM [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to take anything away from ARM, who doesn't build and sell chips but rather sells/licenses IP, all of those devices use Nvidia's Tegra platform which combines an ARM core with an Nvidia GPU on the same die.
The whole computer fits onto a module around the same size as a ram stick.
All you need is a board to add the connectors, and you're set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ZDgvXsYDM [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241027</id>
	<title>7" size missing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244386860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As another Nokia Internet Tablet user, I look forward to a slightly larger size, but retaining 2+ days of battery use. 10" screens are too large.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, my N800 is good for highly portable needs (geocaching, mobile email, skype, lite blogging), all without a mandatory cell data plan, but there are times when a larger screen would be useful without adding weight.  A Eee is too heavy and too large.  A 7" screen with a built-in keyboard that I can touch type on and GPS included would be really nice. Some external connections - monitor, keyboard, USB, 100base-tx would be really nice too.  Those missing things hurt N800/N810 adoption, IMHO.</p><p>No need to support video editing or any other high powered processing. Just lite word processing, spreadsheets, web surfing, email, plus all the things the N800 does already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As another Nokia Internet Tablet user , I look forward to a slightly larger size , but retaining 2 + days of battery use .
10 " screens are too large.Do n't get me wrong , my N800 is good for highly portable needs ( geocaching , mobile email , skype , lite blogging ) , all without a mandatory cell data plan , but there are times when a larger screen would be useful without adding weight .
A Eee is too heavy and too large .
A 7 " screen with a built-in keyboard that I can touch type on and GPS included would be really nice .
Some external connections - monitor , keyboard , USB , 100base-tx would be really nice too .
Those missing things hurt N800/N810 adoption , IMHO.No need to support video editing or any other high powered processing .
Just lite word processing , spreadsheets , web surfing , email , plus all the things the N800 does already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As another Nokia Internet Tablet user, I look forward to a slightly larger size, but retaining 2+ days of battery use.
10" screens are too large.Don't get me wrong, my N800 is good for highly portable needs (geocaching, mobile email, skype, lite blogging), all without a mandatory cell data plan, but there are times when a larger screen would be useful without adding weight.
A Eee is too heavy and too large.
A 7" screen with a built-in keyboard that I can touch type on and GPS included would be really nice.
Some external connections - monitor, keyboard, USB, 100base-tx would be really nice too.
Those missing things hurt N800/N810 adoption, IMHO.No need to support video editing or any other high powered processing.
Just lite word processing, spreadsheets, web surfing, email, plus all the things the N800 does already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28245233</id>
	<title>Re:RiscOS</title>
	<author>Jorophose</author>
	<datestamp>1244377800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you liked the interface in RISC, but like Linux, you could try ROX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you liked the interface in RISC , but like Linux , you could try ROX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you liked the interface in RISC, but like Linux, you could try ROX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28242867</id>
	<title>Full circle</title>
	<author>whizzter</author>
	<datestamp>1244402580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's somewhat ironic that the ARM chipset and architecture was first created by a computer manufacturer that flopped, only to see the cpu architecture that was the offspring actually be the only architecture to ever gain at the expense of the X86 architecture that probably was the culprit of destroying acorn computers.</p><p>And with this happening and even more focus being shifted onto the web as being the platform independent delivery platform, it won't be Intel flirting with Apple and Linux that got MS onto the fast path to obscurity. But the availability of a ever so cheap platform, powered by a ghost from the past.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's somewhat ironic that the ARM chipset and architecture was first created by a computer manufacturer that flopped , only to see the cpu architecture that was the offspring actually be the only architecture to ever gain at the expense of the X86 architecture that probably was the culprit of destroying acorn computers.And with this happening and even more focus being shifted onto the web as being the platform independent delivery platform , it wo n't be Intel flirting with Apple and Linux that got MS onto the fast path to obscurity .
But the availability of a ever so cheap platform , powered by a ghost from the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's somewhat ironic that the ARM chipset and architecture was first created by a computer manufacturer that flopped, only to see the cpu architecture that was the offspring actually be the only architecture to ever gain at the expense of the X86 architecture that probably was the culprit of destroying acorn computers.And with this happening and even more focus being shifted onto the web as being the platform independent delivery platform, it won't be Intel flirting with Apple and Linux that got MS onto the fast path to obscurity.
But the availability of a ever so cheap platform, powered by a ghost from the past.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241671</id>
	<title>Curious and confusing trends</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1244393820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PDA offered all sorts of personal data and other functions for people who needed or wanted their information handy.  It also played some simple and at times addictive games along with supporting ebook reading.  The PDA never attained critical mass and the majority of people never really accepted them.  They were seen as nerdy and geeky and at the same time they lacked the power to appeal to the actual nerds and geeks so each side had reasons for not getting them.  Merging phones and PDAs were a good step but they were often too big for all but the most serious power users.  Blackberry beat the odds by really catching on in the business/corporate marketplace.  These devices were NOT fun and didn't have any flash or fanciness.  I'm a little lost on why they caught on and continue to maintain a strong user base, but they do... and I have a blackberry pearl model myself.</p><p>But mobile computing... a cute and attractive toy.  It has plenty of geek appeal.  And with the ever-growing market for social networking sites like "Friend Face" and others, it maintains its value with the non-geek crowd so long as they can connect to the internet using wifi hotspots and the like.  The term "Netbook" keys on "Net" and every time I see one that doesn't easily support common WiFi services and such, I see doom for them.  (They should all have Bluetooth and make it easy to get to the internet with a user's smart phone.  And they should be able to connect and work with even those stupid "Windows Only" Wifi services... both of these points are criticisms of Linux based Netbooks.  The inability to connect Netbooks to the Net is a show-stopper for many and represents a pretty high hurdle for Linux on the Netbook.)</p><p>I love my netbooks.  I have an ASUS 900a and two Mini9s.  They are fun to play and hack with.  I still run Windows on them though... as comfortable as I am with Linux, I want access to everything I have in the box and among these are the AT&amp;T mobile card in there complete with GPS functions.  I'd run MacOSX on one but to what end?  Same problem as Linux... not all the hardware works.  It's the functionality that matters to me.  (FWIW, I run Linux everywhere else.  My routers, my servers, my laptop/workstation.  Everything else but the Netbook.)</p><p>Linux on the Netbook needs some special attention paid that will address primarily how people will use it.  The Microsoft monopoly does lots of damage to the potential of Linux on the Netbooks.  In some cases, the barriers are outside of Linux entirely as there are too many "Windows Only" devices and services out there blocking the way.  Seriously... Linux Netbooks are STRICTLY for the geeks and nerds and shouldn't be pushed onto the general public until they can do everything Netbooks are needed for and it's all about getting connected the way I see it.  Geeks and nerds will push through the problems and make it work.  Regular users will not.  There is a lot of work on the Netbook and the nearly exclusive "Windows Only" networld we live in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PDA offered all sorts of personal data and other functions for people who needed or wanted their information handy .
It also played some simple and at times addictive games along with supporting ebook reading .
The PDA never attained critical mass and the majority of people never really accepted them .
They were seen as nerdy and geeky and at the same time they lacked the power to appeal to the actual nerds and geeks so each side had reasons for not getting them .
Merging phones and PDAs were a good step but they were often too big for all but the most serious power users .
Blackberry beat the odds by really catching on in the business/corporate marketplace .
These devices were NOT fun and did n't have any flash or fanciness .
I 'm a little lost on why they caught on and continue to maintain a strong user base , but they do... and I have a blackberry pearl model myself.But mobile computing... a cute and attractive toy .
It has plenty of geek appeal .
And with the ever-growing market for social networking sites like " Friend Face " and others , it maintains its value with the non-geek crowd so long as they can connect to the internet using wifi hotspots and the like .
The term " Netbook " keys on " Net " and every time I see one that does n't easily support common WiFi services and such , I see doom for them .
( They should all have Bluetooth and make it easy to get to the internet with a user 's smart phone .
And they should be able to connect and work with even those stupid " Windows Only " Wifi services... both of these points are criticisms of Linux based Netbooks .
The inability to connect Netbooks to the Net is a show-stopper for many and represents a pretty high hurdle for Linux on the Netbook .
) I love my netbooks .
I have an ASUS 900a and two Mini9s .
They are fun to play and hack with .
I still run Windows on them though... as comfortable as I am with Linux , I want access to everything I have in the box and among these are the AT&amp;T mobile card in there complete with GPS functions .
I 'd run MacOSX on one but to what end ?
Same problem as Linux... not all the hardware works .
It 's the functionality that matters to me .
( FWIW , I run Linux everywhere else .
My routers , my servers , my laptop/workstation .
Everything else but the Netbook .
) Linux on the Netbook needs some special attention paid that will address primarily how people will use it .
The Microsoft monopoly does lots of damage to the potential of Linux on the Netbooks .
In some cases , the barriers are outside of Linux entirely as there are too many " Windows Only " devices and services out there blocking the way .
Seriously... Linux Netbooks are STRICTLY for the geeks and nerds and should n't be pushed onto the general public until they can do everything Netbooks are needed for and it 's all about getting connected the way I see it .
Geeks and nerds will push through the problems and make it work .
Regular users will not .
There is a lot of work on the Netbook and the nearly exclusive " Windows Only " networld we live in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PDA offered all sorts of personal data and other functions for people who needed or wanted their information handy.
It also played some simple and at times addictive games along with supporting ebook reading.
The PDA never attained critical mass and the majority of people never really accepted them.
They were seen as nerdy and geeky and at the same time they lacked the power to appeal to the actual nerds and geeks so each side had reasons for not getting them.
Merging phones and PDAs were a good step but they were often too big for all but the most serious power users.
Blackberry beat the odds by really catching on in the business/corporate marketplace.
These devices were NOT fun and didn't have any flash or fanciness.
I'm a little lost on why they caught on and continue to maintain a strong user base, but they do... and I have a blackberry pearl model myself.But mobile computing... a cute and attractive toy.
It has plenty of geek appeal.
And with the ever-growing market for social networking sites like "Friend Face" and others, it maintains its value with the non-geek crowd so long as they can connect to the internet using wifi hotspots and the like.
The term "Netbook" keys on "Net" and every time I see one that doesn't easily support common WiFi services and such, I see doom for them.
(They should all have Bluetooth and make it easy to get to the internet with a user's smart phone.
And they should be able to connect and work with even those stupid "Windows Only" Wifi services... both of these points are criticisms of Linux based Netbooks.
The inability to connect Netbooks to the Net is a show-stopper for many and represents a pretty high hurdle for Linux on the Netbook.
)I love my netbooks.
I have an ASUS 900a and two Mini9s.
They are fun to play and hack with.
I still run Windows on them though... as comfortable as I am with Linux, I want access to everything I have in the box and among these are the AT&amp;T mobile card in there complete with GPS functions.
I'd run MacOSX on one but to what end?
Same problem as Linux... not all the hardware works.
It's the functionality that matters to me.
(FWIW, I run Linux everywhere else.
My routers, my servers, my laptop/workstation.
Everything else but the Netbook.
)Linux on the Netbook needs some special attention paid that will address primarily how people will use it.
The Microsoft monopoly does lots of damage to the potential of Linux on the Netbooks.
In some cases, the barriers are outside of Linux entirely as there are too many "Windows Only" devices and services out there blocking the way.
Seriously... Linux Netbooks are STRICTLY for the geeks and nerds and shouldn't be pushed onto the general public until they can do everything Netbooks are needed for and it's all about getting connected the way I see it.
Geeks and nerds will push through the problems and make it work.
Regular users will not.
There is a lot of work on the Netbook and the nearly exclusive "Windows Only" networld we live in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28246577</id>
	<title>Re:7" size missing</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1244390460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The n810 can act as a USB host. You just need to install the software offered through the application manager (host-something-or-other) and use a female-to-female USB adapter...thus helping you avoid paying $100 for a bluetooth keyboard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The n810 can act as a USB host .
You just need to install the software offered through the application manager ( host-something-or-other ) and use a female-to-female USB adapter...thus helping you avoid paying $ 100 for a bluetooth keyboard : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The n810 can act as a USB host.
You just need to install the software offered through the application manager (host-something-or-other) and use a female-to-female USB adapter...thus helping you avoid paying $100 for a bluetooth keyboard :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241027</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28247233</id>
	<title>Re:RiscOS</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1244397540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only you could make it look like some Apple OS, and not like a 90s niche UI with 90s website background images. ^^</p><p>It's only looks, right, but it's what counts in the first moments of deciding if you like it or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only you could make it look like some Apple OS , and not like a 90s niche UI with 90s website background images .
^ ^ It 's only looks , right , but it 's what counts in the first moments of deciding if you like it or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only you could make it look like some Apple OS, and not like a 90s niche UI with 90s website background images.
^^It's only looks, right, but it's what counts in the first moments of deciding if you like it or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241031</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28246791</id>
	<title>Re:At least someone different sees Linux's problem</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1244392380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop spreading that old-economy bullshit.</p><p>Imagine a world with <strong>one</strong> country, <strong>one</strong> party, <strong>one</strong> OS, and <strong>one</strong> ISP, and you instantly see, what's wrong with that idea.<br>It's like the US party system. Ary it's the same thing that is wrong with monopolies. Look what Microsoft could do to the IT world with that.</p><p>I like my Linux <strong>freedom of choice</strong>! Thankyouverymuch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop spreading that old-economy bullshit.Imagine a world with one country , one party , one OS , and one ISP , and you instantly see , what 's wrong with that idea.It 's like the US party system .
Ary it 's the same thing that is wrong with monopolies .
Look what Microsoft could do to the IT world with that.I like my Linux freedom of choice !
Thankyouverymuch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop spreading that old-economy bullshit.Imagine a world with one country, one party, one OS, and one ISP, and you instantly see, what's wrong with that idea.It's like the US party system.
Ary it's the same thing that is wrong with monopolies.
Look what Microsoft could do to the IT world with that.I like my Linux freedom of choice!
Thankyouverymuch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28244101</id>
	<title>Re:Will they run Linux?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244369640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The screen resolution can suck, it doesn't need to have a good video card (doesn't even need to support a GUI!), the processor can be slow, it can run on a small flash based hard drive, it doesn't need much RAM, etc. It just needs to be small/portable, cheap, have excellent wireless and a truly epic battery life. </i>
<br> <br>

A hacked <a href="http://www.openzipit.org/" title="openzipit.org" rel="nofollow"> zipit</a> [openzipit.org] might fit the bill.  The battery will last at least all day and you can probably hack a simple battery pack extender on it, and it will still fit in your pocket.  The wifi on the z1 is only 11b, but it still gets better range than some most 11g chards I've used.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The screen resolution can suck , it does n't need to have a good video card ( does n't even need to support a GUI !
) , the processor can be slow , it can run on a small flash based hard drive , it does n't need much RAM , etc .
It just needs to be small/portable , cheap , have excellent wireless and a truly epic battery life .
A hacked zipit [ openzipit.org ] might fit the bill .
The battery will last at least all day and you can probably hack a simple battery pack extender on it , and it will still fit in your pocket .
The wifi on the z1 is only 11b , but it still gets better range than some most 11g chards I 've used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The screen resolution can suck, it doesn't need to have a good video card (doesn't even need to support a GUI!
), the processor can be slow, it can run on a small flash based hard drive, it doesn't need much RAM, etc.
It just needs to be small/portable, cheap, have excellent wireless and a truly epic battery life.
A hacked  zipit [openzipit.org] might fit the bill.
The battery will last at least all day and you can probably hack a simple battery pack extender on it, and it will still fit in your pocket.
The wifi on the z1 is only 11b, but it still gets better range than some most 11g chards I've used.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241427</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28244321</id>
	<title>Re:Will they run Linux?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1244371140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>7 digit ID and speaking of WinCE in the future tense?

Chronoanomaly detected!  Secure timeline.  I say again, <i>secure the timeline!</i>!</htmltext>
<tokenext>7 digit ID and speaking of WinCE in the future tense ?
Chronoanomaly detected !
Secure timeline .
I say again , secure the timeline !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7 digit ID and speaking of WinCE in the future tense?
Chronoanomaly detected!
Secure timeline.
I say again, secure the timeline!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241133</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241701</id>
	<title>Re:RiscOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244394240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While RISC OS looks elegant on the surface, inside it's a nasty maze of inconsistent APIs, duplicated APIs, APIs that require certain (unfriendly) implementations...</p></div><p>So it's like POSIX then?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While RISC OS looks elegant on the surface , inside it 's a nasty maze of inconsistent APIs , duplicated APIs , APIs that require certain ( unfriendly ) implementations...So it 's like POSIX then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While RISC OS looks elegant on the surface, inside it's a nasty maze of inconsistent APIs, duplicated APIs, APIs that require certain (unfriendly) implementations...So it's like POSIX then?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241149</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241383</id>
	<title>No one can stop the x86 train...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244390700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not even Intel!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not even Intel !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not even Intel!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28246529</id>
	<title>Re:At least someone different sees Linux's problem</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1244390040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"One of the downsides of Linux is the fragmented nature of it," he said. "That's why so many designers are excited about Google's Android, because it's managed by a single entity," he added."</p><p>Now, these are folks doing very serious work with Linux. Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls. I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job.</p></div><p>Windows is managed by a single entity. Macintosh OSX is managed by a single entity. If being managed by a single entity is such a great thing, why do we need another OS?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" One of the downsides of Linux is the fragmented nature of it , " he said .
" That 's why so many designers are excited about Google 's Android , because it 's managed by a single entity , " he added .
" Now , these are folks doing very serious work with Linux .
Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls .
I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job.Windows is managed by a single entity .
Macintosh OSX is managed by a single entity .
If being managed by a single entity is such a great thing , why do we need another OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"One of the downsides of Linux is the fragmented nature of it," he said.
"That's why so many designers are excited about Google's Android, because it's managed by a single entity," he added.
"Now, these are folks doing very serious work with Linux.
Many Slashdoters have said the same things only to be branded as trolls.
I can see a future for Android if Google continues to do a good job.Windows is managed by a single entity.
Macintosh OSX is managed by a single entity.
If being managed by a single entity is such a great thing, why do we need another OS?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241859</id>
	<title>Re:As Always, One Wonders About Keyboard (Dis)Comf</title>
	<author>Larryish</author>
	<datestamp>1244395200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some company should design a keyboard which can slide out sideways to offer more space. It would be really cool to have a full-sized keyboard on a netbook. Bonus if they can also make an extendable LCD screen.</p><p>A full sized keyboard and a wide screen which, when closed, measures 6 x 8 inches and maybe 1.5 inches thick? Sign me up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some company should design a keyboard which can slide out sideways to offer more space .
It would be really cool to have a full-sized keyboard on a netbook .
Bonus if they can also make an extendable LCD screen.A full sized keyboard and a wide screen which , when closed , measures 6 x 8 inches and maybe 1.5 inches thick ?
Sign me up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some company should design a keyboard which can slide out sideways to offer more space.
It would be really cool to have a full-sized keyboard on a netbook.
Bonus if they can also make an extendable LCD screen.A full sized keyboard and a wide screen which, when closed, measures 6 x 8 inches and maybe 1.5 inches thick?
Sign me up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241295</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241427</id>
	<title>Re:Will they run Linux?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244391240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know what I'm looking for? I want an ultra-cheap netbook that doesn't run fast. I want one that lasts for a HUGE amount of time on one battery charge (like 24 hours) and lets me run linux with only a terminal.</p><p>The screen resolution can suck, it doesn't need to have a good video card (doesn't even need to support a GUI!), the processor can be slow, it can run on a small flash based hard drive, it doesn't need much RAM, etc. It just needs to be small/portable, cheap, have excellent wireless and a truly epic battery life.</p><p>I don't know about anybody else, but I would use that netbook all the time. I think it would be so awesome! New technology obviously means we can get faster hardware, but what if I just want it to be more efficient?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what I 'm looking for ?
I want an ultra-cheap netbook that does n't run fast .
I want one that lasts for a HUGE amount of time on one battery charge ( like 24 hours ) and lets me run linux with only a terminal.The screen resolution can suck , it does n't need to have a good video card ( does n't even need to support a GUI !
) , the processor can be slow , it can run on a small flash based hard drive , it does n't need much RAM , etc .
It just needs to be small/portable , cheap , have excellent wireless and a truly epic battery life.I do n't know about anybody else , but I would use that netbook all the time .
I think it would be so awesome !
New technology obviously means we can get faster hardware , but what if I just want it to be more efficient ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what I'm looking for?
I want an ultra-cheap netbook that doesn't run fast.
I want one that lasts for a HUGE amount of time on one battery charge (like 24 hours) and lets me run linux with only a terminal.The screen resolution can suck, it doesn't need to have a good video card (doesn't even need to support a GUI!
), the processor can be slow, it can run on a small flash based hard drive, it doesn't need much RAM, etc.
It just needs to be small/portable, cheap, have excellent wireless and a truly epic battery life.I don't know about anybody else, but I would use that netbook all the time.
I think it would be so awesome!
New technology obviously means we can get faster hardware, but what if I just want it to be more efficient?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28240911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241403</id>
	<title>Re:What Linux problems?</title>
	<author>Johnny Loves Linux</author>
	<datestamp>1244391000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From your posting and the quotes you refer to, I'm guessing the issue you seem to be having is the availability of <b>proprietary</b> software on Linux.</p><p>From my perspective, I couldn't care less about proprietary software. I've got linux. I've got Debian Linux. I've got 24,000+ software packages ready to go on ARM. What do I need proprietary software for? What's the smartbook for? Reading e-mail, web browsing, watching a video, maybe doing a presentation. Where's the need for proprietary software? I already have google for online searching, maps, e-mail. What need is there for proprietary software?</p><p>If you're a proprietary software developer why not save yourself some grief and pain and write your software for the iphone. Apple would be happy to review your software for its suitability to its platform. I'm also sure that if you write software for Microsoft's platforms and it's wildly successful there's a pretty good chance of being bought out by Microsoft on their terms, and if the terms aren't good enough for Microsoft they might just take your good idea and make their own inferior copy of it.</p><p>If you really want to write proprietary software for Linux, then I would encourage you to write web based software where you own the server and your clients interact with your server using a standards compliant browser. That way it doesn't matter what OS the client is running, and you don't have to deal with support issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From your posting and the quotes you refer to , I 'm guessing the issue you seem to be having is the availability of proprietary software on Linux.From my perspective , I could n't care less about proprietary software .
I 've got linux .
I 've got Debian Linux .
I 've got 24,000 + software packages ready to go on ARM .
What do I need proprietary software for ?
What 's the smartbook for ?
Reading e-mail , web browsing , watching a video , maybe doing a presentation .
Where 's the need for proprietary software ?
I already have google for online searching , maps , e-mail .
What need is there for proprietary software ? If you 're a proprietary software developer why not save yourself some grief and pain and write your software for the iphone .
Apple would be happy to review your software for its suitability to its platform .
I 'm also sure that if you write software for Microsoft 's platforms and it 's wildly successful there 's a pretty good chance of being bought out by Microsoft on their terms , and if the terms are n't good enough for Microsoft they might just take your good idea and make their own inferior copy of it.If you really want to write proprietary software for Linux , then I would encourage you to write web based software where you own the server and your clients interact with your server using a standards compliant browser .
That way it does n't matter what OS the client is running , and you do n't have to deal with support issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From your posting and the quotes you refer to, I'm guessing the issue you seem to be having is the availability of proprietary software on Linux.From my perspective, I couldn't care less about proprietary software.
I've got linux.
I've got Debian Linux.
I've got 24,000+ software packages ready to go on ARM.
What do I need proprietary software for?
What's the smartbook for?
Reading e-mail, web browsing, watching a video, maybe doing a presentation.
Where's the need for proprietary software?
I already have google for online searching, maps, e-mail.
What need is there for proprietary software?If you're a proprietary software developer why not save yourself some grief and pain and write your software for the iphone.
Apple would be happy to review your software for its suitability to its platform.
I'm also sure that if you write software for Microsoft's platforms and it's wildly successful there's a pretty good chance of being bought out by Microsoft on their terms, and if the terms aren't good enough for Microsoft they might just take your good idea and make their own inferior copy of it.If you really want to write proprietary software for Linux, then I would encourage you to write web based software where you own the server and your clients interact with your server using a standards compliant browser.
That way it doesn't matter what OS the client is running, and you don't have to deal with support issues.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241171</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28242961</id>
	<title>ARM is the way to go for these things</title>
	<author>Alain Williams</author>
	<datestamp>1244403300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lower power usage (== longer battery life) is what will make me buy these things. As a side advantage MS will not be able to claim that people put pirate copies of MS XP on them.
<p>
I would not be surprised to see ARM a player in the data center in 10 years time - power consumption there is becoming increasingly important. Once people use ARM in a laptop, it will migrate up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lower power usage ( = = longer battery life ) is what will make me buy these things .
As a side advantage MS will not be able to claim that people put pirate copies of MS XP on them .
I would not be surprised to see ARM a player in the data center in 10 years time - power consumption there is becoming increasingly important .
Once people use ARM in a laptop , it will migrate up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lower power usage (== longer battery life) is what will make me buy these things.
As a side advantage MS will not be able to claim that people put pirate copies of MS XP on them.
I would not be surprised to see ARM a player in the data center in 10 years time - power consumption there is becoming increasingly important.
Once people use ARM in a laptop, it will migrate up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28248707</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>kon23uk</author>
	<datestamp>1244457720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Got to agree with this. My wife has been using laptops with versions of SUSE on it now for over 3 years, and one of my daughters has a Linux Aspire One, and both are happy with their machines.

The last one is most interesting as it's a 4Gb SSD version, yet is entirely adequate for her needs (the 16Gb SD card in the slot gets rotated with others to keep the MP3 industry going<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

They want "consumer appliances", not development machines: if you want bells and whistles then be prepared to pay or make trade-offs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Got to agree with this .
My wife has been using laptops with versions of SUSE on it now for over 3 years , and one of my daughters has a Linux Aspire One , and both are happy with their machines .
The last one is most interesting as it 's a 4Gb SSD version , yet is entirely adequate for her needs ( the 16Gb SD card in the slot gets rotated with others to keep the MP3 industry going ; - ) They want " consumer appliances " , not development machines : if you want bells and whistles then be prepared to pay or make trade-offs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Got to agree with this.
My wife has been using laptops with versions of SUSE on it now for over 3 years, and one of my daughters has a Linux Aspire One, and both are happy with their machines.
The last one is most interesting as it's a 4Gb SSD version, yet is entirely adequate for her needs (the 16Gb SD card in the slot gets rotated with others to keep the MP3 industry going ;-)

They want "consumer appliances", not development machines: if you want bells and whistles then be prepared to pay or make trade-offs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241461</id>
	<title>I know this is a bit whacko out there but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244391540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If someone made an ARM notebook with a cd or dvd drive, someone could write a compatability layer for 3DO console games! The original 3do was based on an Arm-60 chip. a portable games console even if the initial titles are older would be awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone made an ARM notebook with a cd or dvd drive , someone could write a compatability layer for 3DO console games !
The original 3do was based on an Arm-60 chip .
a portable games console even if the initial titles are older would be awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone made an ARM notebook with a cd or dvd drive, someone could write a compatability layer for 3DO console games!
The original 3do was based on an Arm-60 chip.
a portable games console even if the initial titles are older would be awesome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241163</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>manuvajpai</author>
	<datestamp>1244388240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>6. It at least works as fast as my P3 1GHz on WinXP.</p></div><p>I think it will. At least with the upcoming multicore cortex SOCs and with an optimized linux distro.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>7 (there you go! Numbering is fine now ^\_^ ) Has the font situation improved in Linux since like 4 years ago?</p></div><p>I understand your gripes. I have been going in and out of the linux world because of this very reason. I absolutely hated and shunned fonts on linux distros until I met Ubuntu. I think they implement freetype2 by default in their applications and with subpixel smoothing enabled (disabled by others because of certain patent violations. As you can expect the patents belong to some rotten fruity company). </p><p>I tried to get it working recently on OpenSUSE and finally achieved font nirvana on it too. So I don't think that fonts will cause any more problems to you. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>6 .
It at least works as fast as my P3 1GHz on WinXP.I think it will .
At least with the upcoming multicore cortex SOCs and with an optimized linux distro.7 ( there you go !
Numbering is fine now ^ \ _ ^ ) Has the font situation improved in Linux since like 4 years ago ? I understand your gripes .
I have been going in and out of the linux world because of this very reason .
I absolutely hated and shunned fonts on linux distros until I met Ubuntu .
I think they implement freetype2 by default in their applications and with subpixel smoothing enabled ( disabled by others because of certain patent violations .
As you can expect the patents belong to some rotten fruity company ) .
I tried to get it working recently on OpenSUSE and finally achieved font nirvana on it too .
So I do n't think that fonts will cause any more problems to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6.
It at least works as fast as my P3 1GHz on WinXP.I think it will.
At least with the upcoming multicore cortex SOCs and with an optimized linux distro.7 (there you go!
Numbering is fine now ^\_^ ) Has the font situation improved in Linux since like 4 years ago?I understand your gripes.
I have been going in and out of the linux world because of this very reason.
I absolutely hated and shunned fonts on linux distros until I met Ubuntu.
I think they implement freetype2 by default in their applications and with subpixel smoothing enabled (disabled by others because of certain patent violations.
As you can expect the patents belong to some rotten fruity company).
I tried to get it working recently on OpenSUSE and finally achieved font nirvana on it too.
So I don't think that fonts will cause any more problems to you. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28243233</id>
	<title>Risc Os incarnation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244405220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first steps have been made to let Risc Os run on modern ARM boards:</p><p>https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/166?page=4</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first steps have been made to let Risc Os run on modern ARM boards : https : //www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/166 ? page = 4</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first steps have been made to let Risc Os run on modern ARM boards:https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/166?page=4</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241237</id>
	<title>Europe</title>
	<author>Godji</author>
	<datestamp>1244389020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So are these coming to Europe any time soon or will they be for the Asian market only?<br>
<br>
Eight hours on a battery at a 200$ price point? Windows is dead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So are these coming to Europe any time soon or will they be for the Asian market only ?
Eight hours on a battery at a 200 $ price point ?
Windows is dead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So are these coming to Europe any time soon or will they be for the Asian market only?
Eight hours on a battery at a 200$ price point?
Windows is dead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241031</id>
	<title>RiscOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244386920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riscos" title="wikipedia.org">RiscOS</a> [wikipedia.org] is a tailor-made OS for ARM processors. That really is a very lightweight and simple OS and while it doesn't have the applications available that a Linux distro does, it might make an interesting port for this sort of platform.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , RiscOS [ wikipedia.org ] is a tailor-made OS for ARM processors .
That really is a very lightweight and simple OS and while it does n't have the applications available that a Linux distro does , it might make an interesting port for this sort of platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, RiscOS [wikipedia.org] is a tailor-made OS for ARM processors.
That really is a very lightweight and simple OS and while it doesn't have the applications available that a Linux distro does, it might make an interesting port for this sort of platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241555</id>
	<title>Re:No one can stop the x86 train...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244392320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ARM you mean?</p><p>Intel is hardly interested in stopping the x86 train... On the contrary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ARM you mean ? Intel is hardly interested in stopping the x86 train... On the contrary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ARM you mean?Intel is hardly interested in stopping the x86 train... On the contrary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241149</id>
	<title>Re:RiscOS</title>
	<author>david.given</author>
	<datestamp>1244388120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last year I put together a basic kernel reimplementation in portable C (as much as possible); interested parties <a href="http://www.cowlark.com/r2/index.html" title="cowlark.com">may want to check it out</a> [cowlark.com]. It was a pretty unpleasant job. While RISC OS <i>looks</i> elegant on the surface, inside it's a nasty maze of inconsistent APIs, duplicated APIs, APIs that require certain (unfriendly) implementations, APIs that should have been deprecated and haven't been, APIs that don't exist and should to avoid having to read the kernel private workspace, and most terrible of all, APIs that expose kernel implementation details. And, just to add insult to injury, most of RISC OS is written in hard-to-maintain machine code. (And the APIs are very unfriendly to C.)

</p><p>Not to mention the fact that RISC OS is missing certain bits of functionality that everyone nowadays takes for granted: threads, preemptive multitasking, memory protection between processes, a GUI that can be driven from the keyboard...

</p><p>Given how much of an overhaul it would need to be meet modern standards of functionality, it'd probably be easier just to start again from scratch with a proper OS design. I find myself rather intrigued by <a href="http://prex.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">Prex</a> [sourceforge.net], for example, which is a minimalist embedded operating system with hypervisor-like functionality and a Unixish system call interface. And, unlike RISC OS, it's BSD licensed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last year I put together a basic kernel reimplementation in portable C ( as much as possible ) ; interested parties may want to check it out [ cowlark.com ] .
It was a pretty unpleasant job .
While RISC OS looks elegant on the surface , inside it 's a nasty maze of inconsistent APIs , duplicated APIs , APIs that require certain ( unfriendly ) implementations , APIs that should have been deprecated and have n't been , APIs that do n't exist and should to avoid having to read the kernel private workspace , and most terrible of all , APIs that expose kernel implementation details .
And , just to add insult to injury , most of RISC OS is written in hard-to-maintain machine code .
( And the APIs are very unfriendly to C. ) Not to mention the fact that RISC OS is missing certain bits of functionality that everyone nowadays takes for granted : threads , preemptive multitasking , memory protection between processes , a GUI that can be driven from the keyboard.. . Given how much of an overhaul it would need to be meet modern standards of functionality , it 'd probably be easier just to start again from scratch with a proper OS design .
I find myself rather intrigued by Prex [ sourceforge.net ] , for example , which is a minimalist embedded operating system with hypervisor-like functionality and a Unixish system call interface .
And , unlike RISC OS , it 's BSD licensed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last year I put together a basic kernel reimplementation in portable C (as much as possible); interested parties may want to check it out [cowlark.com].
It was a pretty unpleasant job.
While RISC OS looks elegant on the surface, inside it's a nasty maze of inconsistent APIs, duplicated APIs, APIs that require certain (unfriendly) implementations, APIs that should have been deprecated and haven't been, APIs that don't exist and should to avoid having to read the kernel private workspace, and most terrible of all, APIs that expose kernel implementation details.
And, just to add insult to injury, most of RISC OS is written in hard-to-maintain machine code.
(And the APIs are very unfriendly to C.)

Not to mention the fact that RISC OS is missing certain bits of functionality that everyone nowadays takes for granted: threads, preemptive multitasking, memory protection between processes, a GUI that can be driven from the keyboard...

Given how much of an overhaul it would need to be meet modern standards of functionality, it'd probably be easier just to start again from scratch with a proper OS design.
I find myself rather intrigued by Prex [sourceforge.net], for example, which is a minimalist embedded operating system with hypervisor-like functionality and a Unixish system call interface.
And, unlike RISC OS, it's BSD licensed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241775</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Larryish</author>
	<datestamp>1244394780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux fonts and the Linux interface in general (I use Gnome) have really improved. In fact, many cross-platform apps like Firefox and OpenOffice don't show any appreciable difference between the Linux version and the Windows version.</p><p>Example:</p><p>I gave my mother-in-law a used laptop early last year, Gateway Solo 5300 700mhz with half a gig of RAM and Ubuntu 7.10</p><p>It was the first computer she ever actually owned. She had only used Windows machines up to that point.</p><p>She teaches at her hometown high school and uses her computer for email, browsing the web, editing Word documents and playing Mahjong.</p><p>I never once had her call for help, and she was able to do everything that she needed.</p><p>About 3 months ago the machine went dead, most likely a motherboard problem.</p><p>She had me find her a decent laptop on eBay, gave me a budget of $250. I roped in a 1 ghz Thinkpad for around 190 bucks and she requested that I set it up with Ubuntu. So I graduated her up to Ubuntu 8.04, handed her the machine, and haven't had a support call yet.</p><p>Unless you are an avid gamer, or your job/hobby requires esoteric software that only runs on Windows, Linux is ready for the desktop. Your 60 year old mother-in-law could even use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux fonts and the Linux interface in general ( I use Gnome ) have really improved .
In fact , many cross-platform apps like Firefox and OpenOffice do n't show any appreciable difference between the Linux version and the Windows version.Example : I gave my mother-in-law a used laptop early last year , Gateway Solo 5300 700mhz with half a gig of RAM and Ubuntu 7.10It was the first computer she ever actually owned .
She had only used Windows machines up to that point.She teaches at her hometown high school and uses her computer for email , browsing the web , editing Word documents and playing Mahjong.I never once had her call for help , and she was able to do everything that she needed.About 3 months ago the machine went dead , most likely a motherboard problem.She had me find her a decent laptop on eBay , gave me a budget of $ 250 .
I roped in a 1 ghz Thinkpad for around 190 bucks and she requested that I set it up with Ubuntu .
So I graduated her up to Ubuntu 8.04 , handed her the machine , and have n't had a support call yet.Unless you are an avid gamer , or your job/hobby requires esoteric software that only runs on Windows , Linux is ready for the desktop .
Your 60 year old mother-in-law could even use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux fonts and the Linux interface in general (I use Gnome) have really improved.
In fact, many cross-platform apps like Firefox and OpenOffice don't show any appreciable difference between the Linux version and the Windows version.Example:I gave my mother-in-law a used laptop early last year, Gateway Solo 5300 700mhz with half a gig of RAM and Ubuntu 7.10It was the first computer she ever actually owned.
She had only used Windows machines up to that point.She teaches at her hometown high school and uses her computer for email, browsing the web, editing Word documents and playing Mahjong.I never once had her call for help, and she was able to do everything that she needed.About 3 months ago the machine went dead, most likely a motherboard problem.She had me find her a decent laptop on eBay, gave me a budget of $250.
I roped in a 1 ghz Thinkpad for around 190 bucks and she requested that I set it up with Ubuntu.
So I graduated her up to Ubuntu 8.04, handed her the machine, and haven't had a support call yet.Unless you are an avid gamer, or your job/hobby requires esoteric software that only runs on Windows, Linux is ready for the desktop.
Your 60 year old mother-in-law could even use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28243195</id>
	<title>ARM makes more sense as a netbook CPU!</title>
	<author>motang</author>
	<datestamp>1244404860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am still holding out on buying a netbook just because of these. ARM netbook seems to make a lot more sense to me, especially with the price point, battery life, and no Windows options!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am still holding out on buying a netbook just because of these .
ARM netbook seems to make a lot more sense to me , especially with the price point , battery life , and no Windows options !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am still holding out on buying a netbook just because of these.
ARM netbook seems to make a lot more sense to me, especially with the price point, battery life, and no Windows options!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241273</id>
	<title>Re:Will they run Linux?  RTFA dude, they do!</title>
	<author>Bearhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1244389620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, if it's a Linux varient there's plenty of native apps.  Get Wine on there ASAP and you're away for a good number of Win apps too...however for the intended target market I suspect that a well-rolled *x distro with some decent bundled apps would be enough for most users.  'Power' ones could figure out the Wine stuff for themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if it 's a Linux varient there 's plenty of native apps .
Get Wine on there ASAP and you 're away for a good number of Win apps too...however for the intended target market I suspect that a well-rolled * x distro with some decent bundled apps would be enough for most users .
'Power ' ones could figure out the Wine stuff for themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if it's a Linux varient there's plenty of native apps.
Get Wine on there ASAP and you're away for a good number of Win apps too...however for the intended target market I suspect that a well-rolled *x distro with some decent bundled apps would be enough for most users.
'Power' ones could figure out the Wine stuff for themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241711</id>
	<title>They could</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244394360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows has been built in such way that it is extremely easy to port to new architectures. For instance the fabled Alpha port (of NT) was basically done in 2 days, thanks to the fact that they have always had an abstraction layer for the hardware. If Microsoft got serious threat from these ARM devices, do not count that they couldn't answer to that.</p><p>Probably however the threat is nonexistent. Wake me up when these devices have some actual market share.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows has been built in such way that it is extremely easy to port to new architectures .
For instance the fabled Alpha port ( of NT ) was basically done in 2 days , thanks to the fact that they have always had an abstraction layer for the hardware .
If Microsoft got serious threat from these ARM devices , do not count that they could n't answer to that.Probably however the threat is nonexistent .
Wake me up when these devices have some actual market share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows has been built in such way that it is extremely easy to port to new architectures.
For instance the fabled Alpha port (of NT) was basically done in 2 days, thanks to the fact that they have always had an abstraction layer for the hardware.
If Microsoft got serious threat from these ARM devices, do not count that they couldn't answer to that.Probably however the threat is nonexistent.
Wake me up when these devices have some actual market share.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241259</id>
	<title>Would be a good "office laptop" replacement</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1244389440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see, what do we need... Email? Check. Browser? Check. Office suite? Check, with OO.</p><p>Now, how to convince your boss that this is the laptop he's looking for. The 8 hours battery life should be a good selling point (heck, it sure would be one with mine), but what about the design? he'll need it for bragging purposes as much as for actual work, so it has to look really cool and important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see , what do we need... Email ? Check .
Browser ? Check .
Office suite ?
Check , with OO.Now , how to convince your boss that this is the laptop he 's looking for .
The 8 hours battery life should be a good selling point ( heck , it sure would be one with mine ) , but what about the design ?
he 'll need it for bragging purposes as much as for actual work , so it has to look really cool and important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see, what do we need... Email? Check.
Browser? Check.
Office suite?
Check, with OO.Now, how to convince your boss that this is the laptop he's looking for.
The 8 hours battery life should be a good selling point (heck, it sure would be one with mine), but what about the design?
he'll need it for bragging purposes as much as for actual work, so it has to look really cool and important.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241287</id>
	<title>I thought linux was free software</title>
	<author>Frequency Domain</author>
	<datestamp>1244389740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do you need an Adjustable Rate Mortgage to power it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you need an Adjustable Rate Mortgage to power it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you need an Adjustable Rate Mortgage to power it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28243671</id>
	<title>I don't understand their thought process...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244365440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the status for the support of full Flash (with all actionscripts)</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/" title="gnu.org">Gnash</a> [gnu.org] is getting extremely close to being a drop-in Free Software replacement for the Adobe Flash Player. In the linked videos, the ARM director of mobile computing was talking about how the ARM folks were working with Adobe to get Adobe Flash running on the ARM processors, but Gnash has already had ARM support for years. If they're demoing Ubuntu -- a Free Software OS -- on these machines, then why not use a Free Software program to play Flash programs on them? Why not invest their time and energy in the Free Software project?</p><p>Rob Savoye (lead dev for Gnash) <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/gnash-dev@gnu.org/msg05577.html" title="mail-archive.com">wrote a bit on this topic</a> [mail-archive.com] on the gnash-dev mailing list:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Jason Guiditta wrote:<br>&gt; Just saw this...article...bsquared porting flash lite to run on an upcoming dell<br>&gt; netbook.</p><p>Yes, I'm familiar with Bsquared. They're porting the Adobe v10 to<br>embedded platforms, basically getting rid of Flash Lite, which has<br>always been somewhat limited. I've talked to several company's also<br>talking to Bsquared.</p><p>&gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...This seems like a perfect opportunity to get some<br>&gt; funding for gnash, since it is already designed to run on so many<br>&gt; platforms.  If a big company like Dell is willing to pay to get flash<br>&gt; well-supported on their netbook, why could that player not be gnash?</p><p>We'd need a contact at a sufficiently high level. Of the companies I<br>know using BSquared's promised flashplayer for ARM, MIPS, etc... have<br>decided they'd rather spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ for the<br>Bsquared solution, than give much smaller amounts to Gnash, which<br>already runs on the ARM and Android. Big companies that prefer<br>proprietary software seems to prefer to give business to each other,<br>regardless pf the much higher price tag. Of the few machines I've played<br>with the Bsquared plugin on, it usually hung the browser in seconds, and<br>many other stability problems. But I guess they'll get it right<br>eventually...</p><p>I also talked to Google about Gnash for Android several times, but<br>they don't appear to be interested in the slightest. Unfortunately, the<br>only people willing to support Gnash with any funding are people that<br>believe strongly in free software solutions already. To those people, I<br>can't thank you enough!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - rob -</p></div><p>Free Software can be a great benefit to the hardware folks like ARM, and can be great for a mobile platform like Android, but it's sad that these groups don't seem to take any interest in what the Free Software community is offering. That's why it's so important for people to donate time, code, and/or money to projects like Gnash. Software Freedom isn't going to just happen without people like <b>you</b> and <b>me</b> stepping up and getting stuff done.</p></div>
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<tokenext>the status for the support of full Flash ( with all actionscripts ) Gnash [ gnu.org ] is getting extremely close to being a drop-in Free Software replacement for the Adobe Flash Player .
In the linked videos , the ARM director of mobile computing was talking about how the ARM folks were working with Adobe to get Adobe Flash running on the ARM processors , but Gnash has already had ARM support for years .
If they 're demoing Ubuntu -- a Free Software OS -- on these machines , then why not use a Free Software program to play Flash programs on them ?
Why not invest their time and energy in the Free Software project ? Rob Savoye ( lead dev for Gnash ) wrote a bit on this topic [ mail-archive.com ] on the gnash-dev mailing list : Jason Guiditta wrote : &gt; Just saw this...article...bsquared porting flash lite to run on an upcoming dell &gt; netbook.Yes , I 'm familiar with Bsquared .
They 're porting the Adobe v10 toembedded platforms , basically getting rid of Flash Lite , which hasalways been somewhat limited .
I 've talked to several company 's alsotalking to Bsquared. &gt; ...This seems like a perfect opportunity to get some &gt; funding for gnash , since it is already designed to run on so many &gt; platforms .
If a big company like Dell is willing to pay to get flash &gt; well-supported on their netbook , why could that player not be gnash ? We 'd need a contact at a sufficiently high level .
Of the companies Iknow using BSquared 's promised flashplayer for ARM , MIPS , etc... havedecided they 'd rather spend hundreds of thousands of $ $ $ for theBsquared solution , than give much smaller amounts to Gnash , whichalready runs on the ARM and Android .
Big companies that preferproprietary software seems to prefer to give business to each other,regardless pf the much higher price tag .
Of the few machines I 've playedwith the Bsquared plugin on , it usually hung the browser in seconds , andmany other stability problems .
But I guess they 'll get it righteventually...I also talked to Google about Gnash for Android several times , butthey do n't appear to be interested in the slightest .
Unfortunately , theonly people willing to support Gnash with any funding are people thatbelieve strongly in free software solutions already .
To those people , Ica n't thank you enough !
                - rob -Free Software can be a great benefit to the hardware folks like ARM , and can be great for a mobile platform like Android , but it 's sad that these groups do n't seem to take any interest in what the Free Software community is offering .
That 's why it 's so important for people to donate time , code , and/or money to projects like Gnash .
Software Freedom is n't going to just happen without people like you and me stepping up and getting stuff done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the status for the support of full Flash (with all actionscripts) Gnash [gnu.org] is getting extremely close to being a drop-in Free Software replacement for the Adobe Flash Player.
In the linked videos, the ARM director of mobile computing was talking about how the ARM folks were working with Adobe to get Adobe Flash running on the ARM processors, but Gnash has already had ARM support for years.
If they're demoing Ubuntu -- a Free Software OS -- on these machines, then why not use a Free Software program to play Flash programs on them?
Why not invest their time and energy in the Free Software project?Rob Savoye (lead dev for Gnash) wrote a bit on this topic [mail-archive.com] on the gnash-dev mailing list:Jason Guiditta wrote:&gt; Just saw this...article...bsquared porting flash lite to run on an upcoming dell&gt; netbook.Yes, I'm familiar with Bsquared.
They're porting the Adobe v10 toembedded platforms, basically getting rid of Flash Lite, which hasalways been somewhat limited.
I've talked to several company's alsotalking to Bsquared.&gt; ...This seems like a perfect opportunity to get some&gt; funding for gnash, since it is already designed to run on so many&gt; platforms.
If a big company like Dell is willing to pay to get flash&gt; well-supported on their netbook, why could that player not be gnash?We'd need a contact at a sufficiently high level.
Of the companies Iknow using BSquared's promised flashplayer for ARM, MIPS, etc... havedecided they'd rather spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ for theBsquared solution, than give much smaller amounts to Gnash, whichalready runs on the ARM and Android.
Big companies that preferproprietary software seems to prefer to give business to each other,regardless pf the much higher price tag.
Of the few machines I've playedwith the Bsquared plugin on, it usually hung the browser in seconds, andmany other stability problems.
But I guess they'll get it righteventually...I also talked to Google about Gnash for Android several times, butthey don't appear to be interested in the slightest.
Unfortunately, theonly people willing to support Gnash with any funding are people thatbelieve strongly in free software solutions already.
To those people, Ican't thank you enough!
                - rob -Free Software can be a great benefit to the hardware folks like ARM, and can be great for a mobile platform like Android, but it's sad that these groups don't seem to take any interest in what the Free Software community is offering.
That's why it's so important for people to donate time, code, and/or money to projects like Gnash.
Software Freedom isn't going to just happen without people like you and me stepping up and getting stuff done.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28245625</id>
	<title>This is the future</title>
	<author>Allnighterking</author>
	<datestamp>1244381280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>With M$ managing to usurp the netbook by redefining the product in it's bloated image (must have a screen over 10 inches etc etc etc.) It would seem that the NetBook manf's have walked away from their market and become nothing more than a small notebook. (Apple doesn't need to introduce a netbook, the 13inch macbook is now a large netbook) Additionally the top end of ARM is around the same power as the Desktop we used just a few years ago, add on some very powerful GPU's and poof.
<br> <br>
Enter the smartbook and ARM.  Windows is so completely tied to x86 it can barely do 64bit let alone get ported to ARM any time soon.  So you are left with two possibles in the SmartBook realm Linux and OSX.  Apple won't release OSX as a product separate from Apple built hardware. That puts Debian, Maemo and Android at the top of the heap.(with *buntu on coat tails.) Since Android is the current buzz it's at the forefront for sure.  But an ARM based system with 3G connectivity would rock.  Sure I won't be doing compiles on it, but what would stop me from coding on it, and compiling remote?  The cloud is a natural environment for one of these, E-mail and presentations, No problem. Watch a movie, piece of cake. Any routine use I can think of, one of these is more than enough to do.  <br> <br>
Now that several NetBook manfs have abandoned the market they created, why not have someone else step in and take up the slack.  I'm up for one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With M $ managing to usurp the netbook by redefining the product in it 's bloated image ( must have a screen over 10 inches etc etc etc .
) It would seem that the NetBook manf 's have walked away from their market and become nothing more than a small notebook .
( Apple does n't need to introduce a netbook , the 13inch macbook is now a large netbook ) Additionally the top end of ARM is around the same power as the Desktop we used just a few years ago , add on some very powerful GPU 's and poof .
Enter the smartbook and ARM .
Windows is so completely tied to x86 it can barely do 64bit let alone get ported to ARM any time soon .
So you are left with two possibles in the SmartBook realm Linux and OSX .
Apple wo n't release OSX as a product separate from Apple built hardware .
That puts Debian , Maemo and Android at the top of the heap .
( with * buntu on coat tails .
) Since Android is the current buzz it 's at the forefront for sure .
But an ARM based system with 3G connectivity would rock .
Sure I wo n't be doing compiles on it , but what would stop me from coding on it , and compiling remote ?
The cloud is a natural environment for one of these , E-mail and presentations , No problem .
Watch a movie , piece of cake .
Any routine use I can think of , one of these is more than enough to do .
Now that several NetBook manfs have abandoned the market they created , why not have someone else step in and take up the slack .
I 'm up for one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With M$ managing to usurp the netbook by redefining the product in it's bloated image (must have a screen over 10 inches etc etc etc.
) It would seem that the NetBook manf's have walked away from their market and become nothing more than a small notebook.
(Apple doesn't need to introduce a netbook, the 13inch macbook is now a large netbook) Additionally the top end of ARM is around the same power as the Desktop we used just a few years ago, add on some very powerful GPU's and poof.
Enter the smartbook and ARM.
Windows is so completely tied to x86 it can barely do 64bit let alone get ported to ARM any time soon.
So you are left with two possibles in the SmartBook realm Linux and OSX.
Apple won't release OSX as a product separate from Apple built hardware.
That puts Debian, Maemo and Android at the top of the heap.
(with *buntu on coat tails.
) Since Android is the current buzz it's at the forefront for sure.
But an ARM based system with 3G connectivity would rock.
Sure I won't be doing compiles on it, but what would stop me from coding on it, and compiling remote?
The cloud is a natural environment for one of these, E-mail and presentations, No problem.
Watch a movie, piece of cake.
Any routine use I can think of, one of these is more than enough to do.
Now that several NetBook manfs have abandoned the market they created, why not have someone else step in and take up the slack.
I'm up for one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28243353</id>
	<title>Re:Will they run Linux? RTFA dude, they do!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244406180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Get Wine on there ASAP</p><p>WINE = WINE Is Not an Emulator</p><p>ARM is not an x86 instruction set based CPU, which is why it can be several times more efficient.</p><p>WINE does not translate x86 codes into ARM codes, or any other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Get Wine on there ASAPWINE = WINE Is Not an EmulatorARM is not an x86 instruction set based CPU , which is why it can be several times more efficient.WINE does not translate x86 codes into ARM codes , or any other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Get Wine on there ASAPWINE = WINE Is Not an EmulatorARM is not an x86 instruction set based CPU, which is why it can be several times more efficient.WINE does not translate x86 codes into ARM codes, or any other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241603</id>
	<title>I just want ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244392980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... basic web surfing (no flash required), multiple ssh's being usable, long battery life, and a good keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... basic web surfing ( no flash required ) , multiple ssh 's being usable , long battery life , and a good keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... basic web surfing (no flash required), multiple ssh's being usable, long battery life, and a good keyboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28240911</id>
	<title>Will they run Linux?</title>
	<author>jginspace</author>
	<datestamp>1244385480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Well, they're not going to run Windows any time soon. Good opportunity here. I hope the application availability is going to be good - as a Nokia Tablet user I've been running a variant of Linux on a ARM processor for some time now and I can't wait to get my hands on a ARM netbook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , they 're not going to run Windows any time soon .
Good opportunity here .
I hope the application availability is going to be good - as a Nokia Tablet user I 've been running a variant of Linux on a ARM processor for some time now and I ca n't wait to get my hands on a ARM netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, they're not going to run Windows any time soon.
Good opportunity here.
I hope the application availability is going to be good - as a Nokia Tablet user I've been running a variant of Linux on a ARM processor for some time now and I can't wait to get my hands on a ARM netbook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28247019</id>
	<title>Re:7" size missing</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1244394840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Besides that I think 7" is a bit smallish (I have the EEE 701, the screen size is my main issue), there is one thing that I'd like to add:
</p><p>I can run my business with such a laptop. Really.
</p><ul> <li>OOo for invoices/keeping track of orders (a spreadsheet),</li>
<li>Skype/chat/e-mail to keep in touch,</li>
<li>GnuCash for the bookkeeping,</li>
<li>Some image viewer/editor (simple edits: remove a license plate number or so, resizing to e-mailable size, that kind of stuff),</li>
<li>Web browser.</li>
</ul><p>The only issue is my e-banking which requires Windows (FF works but demands Windows for some underlying script) - on my main computer I now run XP within VirtualBox just for e-banking...
</p><p>I'm a small business, communication is what it's about, and such a light computer makes me do everything that I need and more. Really. And honestly I bet 99\% of the people in my business feel the same. And large parts of the rest of the small business world as well - that is those being practical in their computing needs and not looking for a status symbol or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides that I think 7 " is a bit smallish ( I have the EEE 701 , the screen size is my main issue ) , there is one thing that I 'd like to add : I can run my business with such a laptop .
Really . OOo for invoices/keeping track of orders ( a spreadsheet ) , Skype/chat/e-mail to keep in touch , GnuCash for the bookkeeping , Some image viewer/editor ( simple edits : remove a license plate number or so , resizing to e-mailable size , that kind of stuff ) , Web browser .
The only issue is my e-banking which requires Windows ( FF works but demands Windows for some underlying script ) - on my main computer I now run XP within VirtualBox just for e-banking.. . I 'm a small business , communication is what it 's about , and such a light computer makes me do everything that I need and more .
Really. And honestly I bet 99 \ % of the people in my business feel the same .
And large parts of the rest of the small business world as well - that is those being practical in their computing needs and not looking for a status symbol or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides that I think 7" is a bit smallish (I have the EEE 701, the screen size is my main issue), there is one thing that I'd like to add:
I can run my business with such a laptop.
Really.
 OOo for invoices/keeping track of orders (a spreadsheet),
Skype/chat/e-mail to keep in touch,
GnuCash for the bookkeeping,
Some image viewer/editor (simple edits: remove a license plate number or so, resizing to e-mailable size, that kind of stuff),
Web browser.
The only issue is my e-banking which requires Windows (FF works but demands Windows for some underlying script) - on my main computer I now run XP within VirtualBox just for e-banking...
I'm a small business, communication is what it's about, and such a light computer makes me do everything that I need and more.
Really. And honestly I bet 99\% of the people in my business feel the same.
And large parts of the rest of the small business world as well - that is those being practical in their computing needs and not looking for a status symbol or so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241295</id>
	<title>As Always, One Wonders About Keyboard (Dis)Comfort</title>
	<author>resistant</author>
	<datestamp>1244389920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was curious about one of the prototypes listed, so I <a href="http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4375715486.html" title="linuxdevices.com" rel="nofollow">searched</a> [linuxdevices.com] for it. One of the pictures, for example, shows what seems an okay sized keyboard displayed on a touch-sensitive screen, but one wonders how it would feel to actually have to type very much on it. One of the reasons I've been waiting for prices to drop on the <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-eee-1000HE,2168.html" title="tomshardware.com" rel="nofollow">Asus EEE PC 1000HE Netbook</a> [tomshardware.com] is that I wanted a small-form laptop with quite long battery life which also offered a keyboard large enough to allow a decent amount of typing before my fingers would suddenly thrash around and reach for my throat.</p><p>I do like the idea behind these "smartbooks", especially with Linux distributions, but just how small is it possible to make keyboards (virtual or real) on what looks like a small laptop before people will simply balk at them (sometimes without quite knowing why)?</p><p> How has this worked for other common ultra-portable devices with semi-full keysets that haven't been explicitly marketed as "smartbooks/netbooks/notebooks"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was curious about one of the prototypes listed , so I searched [ linuxdevices.com ] for it .
One of the pictures , for example , shows what seems an okay sized keyboard displayed on a touch-sensitive screen , but one wonders how it would feel to actually have to type very much on it .
One of the reasons I 've been waiting for prices to drop on the Asus EEE PC 1000HE Netbook [ tomshardware.com ] is that I wanted a small-form laptop with quite long battery life which also offered a keyboard large enough to allow a decent amount of typing before my fingers would suddenly thrash around and reach for my throat.I do like the idea behind these " smartbooks " , especially with Linux distributions , but just how small is it possible to make keyboards ( virtual or real ) on what looks like a small laptop before people will simply balk at them ( sometimes without quite knowing why ) ?
How has this worked for other common ultra-portable devices with semi-full keysets that have n't been explicitly marketed as " smartbooks/netbooks/notebooks " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was curious about one of the prototypes listed, so I searched [linuxdevices.com] for it.
One of the pictures, for example, shows what seems an okay sized keyboard displayed on a touch-sensitive screen, but one wonders how it would feel to actually have to type very much on it.
One of the reasons I've been waiting for prices to drop on the Asus EEE PC 1000HE Netbook [tomshardware.com] is that I wanted a small-form laptop with quite long battery life which also offered a keyboard large enough to allow a decent amount of typing before my fingers would suddenly thrash around and reach for my throat.I do like the idea behind these "smartbooks", especially with Linux distributions, but just how small is it possible to make keyboards (virtual or real) on what looks like a small laptop before people will simply balk at them (sometimes without quite knowing why)?
How has this worked for other common ultra-portable devices with semi-full keysets that haven't been explicitly marketed as "smartbooks/netbooks/notebooks"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241355</id>
	<title>Re:Will they run Linux? RTFA dude, they do!</title>
	<author>SamsLembas</author>
	<datestamp>1244390340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wine is not an emulator. Unless you run it in one or compile the Windows binaries for ARM, there is no way Wine will work on an ARM chip.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wine is not an emulator .
Unless you run it in one or compile the Windows binaries for ARM , there is no way Wine will work on an ARM chip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wine is not an emulator.
Unless you run it in one or compile the Windows binaries for ARM, there is no way Wine will work on an ARM chip.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241273</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28242429</id>
	<title>Re:I thought linux was free software</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1244399220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For taking derivatives?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For taking derivatives ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For taking derivatives?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241287</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241015</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>MLS100</author>
	<datestamp>1244386680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a Linux fan myself but that is actually a pretty attractive feature set for $100 and I would seriously consider buying one if they were:</p><p>1. Fully supported: I don't have to hack anything to get something working, ever. That means after updates too.</p><p>2. Battery life was really ~10 hours.</p><p>3. Flash worked (sadly a web necessity).</p><p>4. <b>Hibernate works flawlessly.</b></p><p>5. ARM repository is respectable and frequently updated.</p><p>6. It at least works as fast as my P3 1GHz on WinXP.</p><p>6 check marks there and you've got a check from me for a nice light web browsing / word processing computer.</p><p>Has the font situation improved in Linux since like 4 years ago?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a Linux fan myself but that is actually a pretty attractive feature set for $ 100 and I would seriously consider buying one if they were : 1 .
Fully supported : I do n't have to hack anything to get something working , ever .
That means after updates too.2 .
Battery life was really ~ 10 hours.3 .
Flash worked ( sadly a web necessity ) .4 .
Hibernate works flawlessly.5 .
ARM repository is respectable and frequently updated.6 .
It at least works as fast as my P3 1GHz on WinXP.6 check marks there and you 've got a check from me for a nice light web browsing / word processing computer.Has the font situation improved in Linux since like 4 years ago ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a Linux fan myself but that is actually a pretty attractive feature set for $100 and I would seriously consider buying one if they were:1.
Fully supported: I don't have to hack anything to get something working, ever.
That means after updates too.2.
Battery life was really ~10 hours.3.
Flash worked (sadly a web necessity).4.
Hibernate works flawlessly.5.
ARM repository is respectable and frequently updated.6.
It at least works as fast as my P3 1GHz on WinXP.6 check marks there and you've got a check from me for a nice light web browsing / word processing computer.Has the font situation improved in Linux since like 4 years ago?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241111</id>
	<title>We need a second source for Microsoft software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244387700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux will never compete with Windows as long as a vast majority of software, particularly cutting edge software, is written in Windows.  Unless Microsoft screws up badly, inertia will keep them king of the hill.</p><p>The government should create a second source for Microsoft software.  It worked wonders for the processor industry.  The amount of innovation created by the competition from AMD and Intel is on a level never seen before.  I think it would work for the operating system industry.</p><p>P.S. I am hopping mad right now because I crashed a plane in Flight Simulator due to two bugs.  If Microsoft won't fix their own software, the government should find someone who will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux will never compete with Windows as long as a vast majority of software , particularly cutting edge software , is written in Windows .
Unless Microsoft screws up badly , inertia will keep them king of the hill.The government should create a second source for Microsoft software .
It worked wonders for the processor industry .
The amount of innovation created by the competition from AMD and Intel is on a level never seen before .
I think it would work for the operating system industry.P.S .
I am hopping mad right now because I crashed a plane in Flight Simulator due to two bugs .
If Microsoft wo n't fix their own software , the government should find someone who will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux will never compete with Windows as long as a vast majority of software, particularly cutting edge software, is written in Windows.
Unless Microsoft screws up badly, inertia will keep them king of the hill.The government should create a second source for Microsoft software.
It worked wonders for the processor industry.
The amount of innovation created by the competition from AMD and Intel is on a level never seen before.
I think it would work for the operating system industry.P.S.
I am hopping mad right now because I crashed a plane in Flight Simulator due to two bugs.
If Microsoft won't fix their own software, the government should find someone who will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241051</id>
	<title>To those who defend the status quo...</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1244387100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if we in the Linux world could confidently say that an app can be written and be able to run as expected on <b>everything</b> Linux?</p><p>If such were to be the case, news such as this would be sweet. Sadly, it's going to be a "mess" to Microsoft's delight.</p><p>Sometimes I wonder whether Microsoft is responsible for some of the chaos in the Linux OS community.</p><p>Distros that feature...</p><p>(a) Different libraries to do the same thing</p><p>(b) Different versions of the same software to do similar stuff</p><p>(c) Different naming conventions for libraries</p><p>(d) Different "homes" for applications and systems files</p><p>(e) An over zealous following, some of who make key decisions</p><p>(f) Creators that do not appreciate the fact that human beings do not neccessarily want change...even when the change is for their own good<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...will always be "behind."</p><p>Now kudos to the developers for I know writing code that actually does something useful is no easy task.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if we in the Linux world could confidently say that an app can be written and be able to run as expected on everything Linux ? If such were to be the case , news such as this would be sweet .
Sadly , it 's going to be a " mess " to Microsoft 's delight.Sometimes I wonder whether Microsoft is responsible for some of the chaos in the Linux OS community.Distros that feature... ( a ) Different libraries to do the same thing ( b ) Different versions of the same software to do similar stuff ( c ) Different naming conventions for libraries ( d ) Different " homes " for applications and systems files ( e ) An over zealous following , some of who make key decisions ( f ) Creators that do not appreciate the fact that human beings do not neccessarily want change...even when the change is for their own good ...will always be " behind .
" Now kudos to the developers for I know writing code that actually does something useful is no easy task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if we in the Linux world could confidently say that an app can be written and be able to run as expected on everything Linux?If such were to be the case, news such as this would be sweet.
Sadly, it's going to be a "mess" to Microsoft's delight.Sometimes I wonder whether Microsoft is responsible for some of the chaos in the Linux OS community.Distros that feature...(a) Different libraries to do the same thing(b) Different versions of the same software to do similar stuff(c) Different naming conventions for libraries(d) Different "homes" for applications and systems files(e) An over zealous following, some of who make key decisions(f) Creators that do not appreciate the fact that human beings do not neccessarily want change...even when the change is for their own good ...will always be "behind.
"Now kudos to the developers for I know writing code that actually does something useful is no easy task.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28246303</id>
	<title>Re:RiscOS</title>
	<author>tim\_gladding</author>
	<datestamp>1244387760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was my very first thought when I read "ARM powered laptop."  It's time RISC OS was brought kicking and screaming in to the 21st century!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was my very first thought when I read " ARM powered laptop .
" It 's time RISC OS was brought kicking and screaming in to the 21st century !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was my very first thought when I read "ARM powered laptop.
"  It's time RISC OS was brought kicking and screaming in to the 21st century!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241031</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28247479</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1244401080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it's already the year of Linux on the desktop, we just completely missed it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it 's already the year of Linux on the desktop , we just completely missed it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it's already the year of Linux on the desktop, we just completely missed it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28241775</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_1156249.28244157</id>
	<title>Re:RiscOS</title>
	<author>SpinyNorman</author>
	<datestamp>1244370060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It'd be interesting if RiscOS gave some benefit that the other ARM OS options don't, but given that these ARM based netbooks also support the latest Ubuntu, Android, Windows CE (these latter two could also be considered as written for the ARM - that's what most smart phones/handhelds use), it's hard to see what RiscOS brings to the table. Let's not forget that the ARM also powers the BSD/Unix powered iPhone quite happily. It's a powerful little beast - ARM sells over 4 BILLION ARM cores a year!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'd be interesting if RiscOS gave some benefit that the other ARM OS options do n't , but given that these ARM based netbooks also support the latest Ubuntu , Android , Windows CE ( these latter two could also be considered as written for the ARM - that 's what most smart phones/handhelds use ) , it 's hard to see what RiscOS brings to the table .
Let 's not forget that the ARM also powers the BSD/Unix powered iPhone quite happily .
It 's a powerful little beast - ARM sells over 4 BILLION ARM cores a year !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'd be interesting if RiscOS gave some benefit that the other ARM OS options don't, but given that these ARM based netbooks also support the latest Ubuntu, Android, Windows CE (these latter two could also be considered as written for the ARM - that's what most smart phones/handhelds use), it's hard to see what RiscOS brings to the table.
Let's not forget that the ARM also powers the BSD/Unix powered iPhone quite happily.
It's a powerful little beast - ARM sells over 4 BILLION ARM cores a year!</sentencetext>
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