<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_07_0845255</id>
	<title>Sequoia Disclosing Voting System Source To DC</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244376660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>buzzinglikeafridge writes <i>"After Sequoia voting machines registered more votes than there were voters in DC's primaries last September, and the city threatened a lawsuit as a result, the company agreed <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/05/AR2009060503617.html">to disclose technical details of the system (including source code)</a> to the city.  Although <a href="http://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/appel/report-sequioa-avc-advantage">this isn't the first time</a> the company has disclosed the source code of its machines, it is the first time the machines' blueprints will be handed over as well."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>buzzinglikeafridge writes " After Sequoia voting machines registered more votes than there were voters in DC 's primaries last September , and the city threatened a lawsuit as a result , the company agreed to disclose technical details of the system ( including source code ) to the city .
Although this is n't the first time the company has disclosed the source code of its machines , it is the first time the machines ' blueprints will be handed over as well .
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<sentencetext>buzzinglikeafridge writes "After Sequoia voting machines registered more votes than there were voters in DC's primaries last September, and the city threatened a lawsuit as a result, the company agreed to disclose technical details of the system (including source code) to the city.
Although this isn't the first time the company has disclosed the source code of its machines, it is the first time the machines' blueprints will be handed over as well.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28249255</id>
	<title>Re:What's so complicated?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244464380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have to avoid being eaten by the ghosts whilst eating all the little white dots.  Once you clock the machine your vote gets counted.  It's a lot more complex than it looks.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have to avoid being eaten by the ghosts whilst eating all the little white dots .
Once you clock the machine your vote gets counted .
It 's a lot more complex than it looks .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have to avoid being eaten by the ghosts whilst eating all the little white dots.
Once you clock the machine your vote gets counted.
It's a lot more complex than it looks.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241585</id>
	<title>Re:Should get the same attention as fighter planes</title>
	<author>symbolic</author>
	<datestamp>1244392800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting comment - if we are to extend the analogy completely, we'd have to acknowledge that even these complex systems sometimes require a few attempts before either being scrapped (as unworkable or too expensive) or before they are successful.</p><p>That having been said, I personally think the issues we've seen with e-voting are ridiculous - by comparison, it's not a very complicated process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting comment - if we are to extend the analogy completely , we 'd have to acknowledge that even these complex systems sometimes require a few attempts before either being scrapped ( as unworkable or too expensive ) or before they are successful.That having been said , I personally think the issues we 've seen with e-voting are ridiculous - by comparison , it 's not a very complicated process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting comment - if we are to extend the analogy completely, we'd have to acknowledge that even these complex systems sometimes require a few attempts before either being scrapped (as unworkable or too expensive) or before they are successful.That having been said, I personally think the issues we've seen with e-voting are ridiculous - by comparison, it's not a very complicated process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241261</id>
	<title>Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>yourassOA</author>
	<datestamp>1244389500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If everyones name was attached to their vote there would be a way to verify the election outcome. Are people really that ashamed of who they vote for?  No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If everyones name was attached to their vote there would be a way to verify the election outcome .
Are people really that ashamed of who they vote for ?
No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everyones name was attached to their vote there would be a way to verify the election outcome.
Are people really that ashamed of who they vote for?
No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240761</id>
	<title>Where's the catch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244383020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We can't discount the possibility that the problems were caused deliberately, by Italian infiltrators, unbeknownst to either party. This is known by security researchers as the "Italian-in-the-Middle" (IitM) attack. IitM attacks are growing more sophisticated and nefarious by the day, and, as this article proves, are a grave threat to our Democracy. Our wives and hot dogs will not be safe from the Italian menace until Barack Obama takes decisive and swift action. The Italians must be hunted down and smoked out of their caves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We ca n't discount the possibility that the problems were caused deliberately , by Italian infiltrators , unbeknownst to either party .
This is known by security researchers as the " Italian-in-the-Middle " ( IitM ) attack .
IitM attacks are growing more sophisticated and nefarious by the day , and , as this article proves , are a grave threat to our Democracy .
Our wives and hot dogs will not be safe from the Italian menace until Barack Obama takes decisive and swift action .
The Italians must be hunted down and smoked out of their caves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can't discount the possibility that the problems were caused deliberately, by Italian infiltrators, unbeknownst to either party.
This is known by security researchers as the "Italian-in-the-Middle" (IitM) attack.
IitM attacks are growing more sophisticated and nefarious by the day, and, as this article proves, are a grave threat to our Democracy.
Our wives and hot dogs will not be safe from the Italian menace until Barack Obama takes decisive and swift action.
The Italians must be hunted down and smoked out of their caves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241197</id>
	<title>Re:Should get the same attention as fighter planes</title>
	<author>dunezone</author>
	<datestamp>1244388600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters, naval warcraft, guns, rockets, bombs ---- and voting machines.</p><p>The US Government wouldn't buy a any of those other things without a massive effort to make sure they were secure, why not voting machines as well?  If you can compromise those, the rest are easy.</p></div><p>
Because the people that are elected in office are the same people voted in by those machines.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters , naval warcraft , guns , rockets , bombs ---- and voting machines.The US Government would n't buy a any of those other things without a massive effort to make sure they were secure , why not voting machines as well ?
If you can compromise those , the rest are easy .
Because the people that are elected in office are the same people voted in by those machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters, naval warcraft, guns, rockets, bombs ---- and voting machines.The US Government wouldn't buy a any of those other things without a massive effort to make sure they were secure, why not voting machines as well?
If you can compromise those, the rest are easy.
Because the people that are elected in office are the same people voted in by those machines.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28243685</id>
	<title>Re:Yay!</title>
	<author>myspace-cn</author>
	<datestamp>1244365560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not so fast.</p><p>Now that some of you are catching on about how electronic vote tabulation devices can not be trusted, (from the doping level, to the firmware, and and finally software) you've just been "routed around" once again, as the EVM's are now shifting gears and upping the ante by changing the game with "internet voting", the ultimate unvalidatable nightmare.</p><p>A pollwatcher, still can't see the electronic signals in any of these devices.</p><p>So while everyone tech savvy sit's there and argue's over open source, closed source, you ALL fail to understand or even begin to come to grips with a term and a little law called, "Public Oversight" and furthermore, "Transparency."  Both of which are already available in a high tech technology called paper ballots.</p><p>But you continue on pretending, and dick measuring. Hey it's only America you'll destroy with this same old stinking corrupt oath of office breaking, unaccountable, fucking 2 party nonsense which has created wars, removed our constitution and bill of rights, plundered $65 trillion from ponsi schemes while the Senate willingly lets it happen, Torture, Rendition.</p><p>BOHICA</p><p>And also mr Robins0n meth'd<br>"One transparent box with a lid for each choice plus one additional box if there's a write-in candidate."</p><p>Whoops there goes your TRANSPARENCY.  Watching voters walk around reading boxes with CHOICE NAMES ON THEM?!... hmm third box on the left is...X, you just voted for X.</p><p>Come on.  Enough of this *SHIT* already!</p><p>You want to get the corruption out of our government, you better fucking outlaw electronic voting machines, and their electronic POLL BOOKS too.  Results should be FACE TO FACE, and only then after the final tabulation should ANYONE post this shit on the web.  Enough of this \% results in, when the fucking election polls are not even CLOSED yet.</p><p>Can you tell I am pissed off?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not so fast.Now that some of you are catching on about how electronic vote tabulation devices can not be trusted , ( from the doping level , to the firmware , and and finally software ) you 've just been " routed around " once again , as the EVM 's are now shifting gears and upping the ante by changing the game with " internet voting " , the ultimate unvalidatable nightmare.A pollwatcher , still ca n't see the electronic signals in any of these devices.So while everyone tech savvy sit 's there and argue 's over open source , closed source , you ALL fail to understand or even begin to come to grips with a term and a little law called , " Public Oversight " and furthermore , " Transparency .
" Both of which are already available in a high tech technology called paper ballots.But you continue on pretending , and dick measuring .
Hey it 's only America you 'll destroy with this same old stinking corrupt oath of office breaking , unaccountable , fucking 2 party nonsense which has created wars , removed our constitution and bill of rights , plundered $ 65 trillion from ponsi schemes while the Senate willingly lets it happen , Torture , Rendition.BOHICAAnd also mr Robins0n meth 'd " One transparent box with a lid for each choice plus one additional box if there 's a write-in candidate .
" Whoops there goes your TRANSPARENCY .
Watching voters walk around reading boxes with CHOICE NAMES ON THEM ? ! .. .
hmm third box on the left is...X , you just voted for X.Come on .
Enough of this * SHIT * already ! You want to get the corruption out of our government , you better fucking outlaw electronic voting machines , and their electronic POLL BOOKS too .
Results should be FACE TO FACE , and only then after the final tabulation should ANYONE post this shit on the web .
Enough of this \ % results in , when the fucking election polls are not even CLOSED yet.Can you tell I am pissed off ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not so fast.Now that some of you are catching on about how electronic vote tabulation devices can not be trusted, (from the doping level, to the firmware, and and finally software) you've just been "routed around" once again, as the EVM's are now shifting gears and upping the ante by changing the game with "internet voting", the ultimate unvalidatable nightmare.A pollwatcher, still can't see the electronic signals in any of these devices.So while everyone tech savvy sit's there and argue's over open source, closed source, you ALL fail to understand or even begin to come to grips with a term and a little law called, "Public Oversight" and furthermore, "Transparency.
"  Both of which are already available in a high tech technology called paper ballots.But you continue on pretending, and dick measuring.
Hey it's only America you'll destroy with this same old stinking corrupt oath of office breaking, unaccountable, fucking 2 party nonsense which has created wars, removed our constitution and bill of rights, plundered $65 trillion from ponsi schemes while the Senate willingly lets it happen, Torture, Rendition.BOHICAAnd also mr Robins0n meth'd"One transparent box with a lid for each choice plus one additional box if there's a write-in candidate.
"Whoops there goes your TRANSPARENCY.
Watching voters walk around reading boxes with CHOICE NAMES ON THEM?!...
hmm third box on the left is...X, you just voted for X.Come on.
Enough of this *SHIT* already!You want to get the corruption out of our government, you better fucking outlaw electronic voting machines, and their electronic POLL BOOKS too.
Results should be FACE TO FACE, and only then after the final tabulation should ANYONE post this shit on the web.
Enough of this \% results in, when the fucking election polls are not even CLOSED yet.Can you tell I am pissed off?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28242037</id>
	<title>Re:Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>grikdog</author>
	<datestamp>1244396460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Same reason as always.  If they know how you voted, they come and break your kneecaps.  Secret prevents real mayhem, shame has nothing to do with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same reason as always .
If they know how you voted , they come and break your kneecaps .
Secret prevents real mayhem , shame has nothing to do with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same reason as always.
If they know how you voted, they come and break your kneecaps.
Secret prevents real mayhem, shame has nothing to do with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240751</id>
	<title>The code is not going to explain 4759 votes..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244382960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The error that caused all this logged 4759 votes - a prime number.  I doubt anyone is going to find that in the code because this was clearly some sort of conspiracy..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The error that caused all this logged 4759 votes - a prime number .
I doubt anyone is going to find that in the code because this was clearly some sort of conspiracy. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The error that caused all this logged 4759 votes - a prime number.
I doubt anyone is going to find that in the code because this was clearly some sort of conspiracy..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28252437</id>
	<title>What's all this code stuff?</title>
	<author>Punk CPA</author>
	<datestamp>1244483040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can just hear the DC election commissioners now, poring over the source code: "What is this?  Why can't they write in plain English?  What's this 'Studio H' stuff supposed to mean?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can just hear the DC election commissioners now , poring over the source code : " What is this ?
Why ca n't they write in plain English ?
What 's this 'Studio H ' stuff supposed to mean ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can just hear the DC election commissioners now, poring over the source code: "What is this?
Why can't they write in plain English?
What's this 'Studio H' stuff supposed to mean?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240871</id>
	<title>Re:What's so complicated?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244384820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My gut feeling for the complication is to add more features to help jack up the price per unit.</p><p>Figure that each polling station will have at least 3 units, so you're talking about a lot of sales.  A simple system, such as you described wouldn't be very expensive, and would be a tough sell.</p><p>But if you add in 'Automated security sub-routines', 'Time stamp live validation', 'Heuristic Real-time Networked Vote Tallies', all of which I just made up, but sound semi-decent for a sales pitch, you can charge more.</p><p>Of course, with such 'Features' you add complexity to what should be a straight forward system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My gut feeling for the complication is to add more features to help jack up the price per unit.Figure that each polling station will have at least 3 units , so you 're talking about a lot of sales .
A simple system , such as you described would n't be very expensive , and would be a tough sell.But if you add in 'Automated security sub-routines ' , 'Time stamp live validation ' , 'Heuristic Real-time Networked Vote Tallies ' , all of which I just made up , but sound semi-decent for a sales pitch , you can charge more.Of course , with such 'Features ' you add complexity to what should be a straight forward system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My gut feeling for the complication is to add more features to help jack up the price per unit.Figure that each polling station will have at least 3 units, so you're talking about a lot of sales.
A simple system, such as you described wouldn't be very expensive, and would be a tough sell.But if you add in 'Automated security sub-routines', 'Time stamp live validation', 'Heuristic Real-time Networked Vote Tallies', all of which I just made up, but sound semi-decent for a sales pitch, you can charge more.Of course, with such 'Features' you add complexity to what should be a straight forward system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28243293</id>
	<title>Back to pencil and paper!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244405700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was glad to see, at least in Amsterdam, we're back to the red pencil for the EU vote last saturday.</p><p>Much simpler and faster. And still the Netherlands is going to get a fine from the EU for releasing voting results early, so I guess counting those votes wasn't a big deal either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was glad to see , at least in Amsterdam , we 're back to the red pencil for the EU vote last saturday.Much simpler and faster .
And still the Netherlands is going to get a fine from the EU for releasing voting results early , so I guess counting those votes was n't a big deal either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was glad to see, at least in Amsterdam, we're back to the red pencil for the EU vote last saturday.Much simpler and faster.
And still the Netherlands is going to get a fine from the EU for releasing voting results early, so I guess counting those votes wasn't a big deal either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28252585</id>
	<title>Re:Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1244483520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Just imagine that your boss knows who you're voting for.</i> <br> <br>He knows.  And he knows I always vote the opposite of him.  Where's the problem again?<br> <br>If you are too stupid to figure out how someone could guarantee they know how you voted with the current system, then I can't help you (not that my boss does one, but that we talk politics).  There are hundreds of ways that would work, and that you speak as if there are none indicates your inability to think.<br> <br> <i>Not in the US, where voting is fairly free and safe. In other places not so much (Kenya).</i> <br> <br>So you are saying that verified voting should not be allowed in the US because there is voter intimidation in Kenya?  Again, your logic defies me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just imagine that your boss knows who you 're voting for .
He knows .
And he knows I always vote the opposite of him .
Where 's the problem again ?
If you are too stupid to figure out how someone could guarantee they know how you voted with the current system , then I ca n't help you ( not that my boss does one , but that we talk politics ) .
There are hundreds of ways that would work , and that you speak as if there are none indicates your inability to think .
Not in the US , where voting is fairly free and safe .
In other places not so much ( Kenya ) .
So you are saying that verified voting should not be allowed in the US because there is voter intimidation in Kenya ?
Again , your logic defies me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just imagine that your boss knows who you're voting for.
He knows.
And he knows I always vote the opposite of him.
Where's the problem again?
If you are too stupid to figure out how someone could guarantee they know how you voted with the current system, then I can't help you (not that my boss does one, but that we talk politics).
There are hundreds of ways that would work, and that you speak as if there are none indicates your inability to think.
Not in the US, where voting is fairly free and safe.
In other places not so much (Kenya).
So you are saying that verified voting should not be allowed in the US because there is voter intimidation in Kenya?
Again, your logic defies me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241935</id>
	<title>Re:Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>An Onerous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1244395740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is an old saying about how those who don't read history are doomed to repeat it.</p><p>I have no idea why that thought sprang to mind just now.  None whatsoever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an old saying about how those who do n't read history are doomed to repeat it.I have no idea why that thought sprang to mind just now .
None whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an old saying about how those who don't read history are doomed to repeat it.I have no idea why that thought sprang to mind just now.
None whatsoever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28243399</id>
	<title>It's DC...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244406480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason there are voting irregularities is NOT the problem with the machines... it's with the people who set them up and read the votes off of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason there are voting irregularities is NOT the problem with the machines... it 's with the people who set them up and read the votes off of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason there are voting irregularities is NOT the problem with the machines... it's with the people who set them up and read the votes off of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28254583</id>
	<title>Re:What's so complicated?</title>
	<author>cusco</author>
	<datestamp>1244492460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering that the guy they hired to lead their programming staff has spent time in the Washington State prison system for multiple counts of computer fraud I think your guess is probably pretty close.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that the guy they hired to lead their programming staff has spent time in the Washington State prison system for multiple counts of computer fraud I think your guess is probably pretty close .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that the guy they hired to lead their programming staff has spent time in the Washington State prison system for multiple counts of computer fraud I think your guess is probably pretty close.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241667</id>
	<title>Context can reduce security concerns drastically.</title>
	<author>jbn-o</author>
	<datestamp>1244393820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I won't object to <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/baker08192004.html" title="counterpunch.org">communities getting source code to voting machines under free software licenses</a> [counterpunch.org], but when voting machines are used only to prepare voter-verified paper ballots never to count ballots (as they should be), security concerns for these machines drop dramatically.  I shouldn't have to use such a machine in the first place, but if I choose to use a machine to prepare my voter-verified paper ballot source code concerns drop to making sure that bugs in the program won't stop me from using the program under unforseen conditions.  Communities deserve software freedom, and that is sufficient justification for communities to run their own voting systems completely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wo n't object to communities getting source code to voting machines under free software licenses [ counterpunch.org ] , but when voting machines are used only to prepare voter-verified paper ballots never to count ballots ( as they should be ) , security concerns for these machines drop dramatically .
I should n't have to use such a machine in the first place , but if I choose to use a machine to prepare my voter-verified paper ballot source code concerns drop to making sure that bugs in the program wo n't stop me from using the program under unforseen conditions .
Communities deserve software freedom , and that is sufficient justification for communities to run their own voting systems completely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I won't object to communities getting source code to voting machines under free software licenses [counterpunch.org], but when voting machines are used only to prepare voter-verified paper ballots never to count ballots (as they should be), security concerns for these machines drop dramatically.
I shouldn't have to use such a machine in the first place, but if I choose to use a machine to prepare my voter-verified paper ballot source code concerns drop to making sure that bugs in the program won't stop me from using the program under unforseen conditions.
Communities deserve software freedom, and that is sufficient justification for communities to run their own voting systems completely.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240875</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241971</id>
	<title>Re:What's so complicated?</title>
	<author>Devout\_IPUite</author>
	<datestamp>1244395920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Deibold makes ATMs. Those things are accurate, reliable, solid, perfect, etc. Why then should their voting machines be so flaky? I think the only answer can possibly be is "They wanted them that way."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Deibold makes ATMs .
Those things are accurate , reliable , solid , perfect , etc .
Why then should their voting machines be so flaky ?
I think the only answer can possibly be is " They wanted them that way .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Deibold makes ATMs.
Those things are accurate, reliable, solid, perfect, etc.
Why then should their voting machines be so flaky?
I think the only answer can possibly be is "They wanted them that way.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240757</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241393</id>
	<title>Re:Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244390760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason the ballot is a secret is to be certain that no one can leverage your vote against you.  A secret ballot is critical for the safety of the voters.  Just imagine that your boss knows who you're voting for.</p><p>"No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote."</p><p>Not in the US, where voting is fairly free and safe.  In other places not so much (Kenya).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason the ballot is a secret is to be certain that no one can leverage your vote against you .
A secret ballot is critical for the safety of the voters .
Just imagine that your boss knows who you 're voting for .
" No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote .
" Not in the US , where voting is fairly free and safe .
In other places not so much ( Kenya ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason the ballot is a secret is to be certain that no one can leverage your vote against you.
A secret ballot is critical for the safety of the voters.
Just imagine that your boss knows who you're voting for.
"No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.
"Not in the US, where voting is fairly free and safe.
In other places not so much (Kenya).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240743</id>
	<title>Re:Yay!</title>
	<author>GreenTech11</author>
	<datestamp>1244382900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, a 3 word comment, essentially trolling got modded insightful +4  <p>
How the hell do you program something to deliver more votes than voters? Someone seriously needs to work out what the hell is going on...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , a 3 word comment , essentially trolling got modded insightful + 4 How the hell do you program something to deliver more votes than voters ?
Someone seriously needs to work out what the hell is going on.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, a 3 word comment, essentially trolling got modded insightful +4  
How the hell do you program something to deliver more votes than voters?
Someone seriously needs to work out what the hell is going on...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240589</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240697</id>
	<title>Well there's your problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244381880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>if(candidate == "Bush")
{
	castVote(candidate);
	castVote(candidate);
}
else
{
	castVote(candidate);
}</htmltext>
<tokenext>if ( candidate = = " Bush " ) { castVote ( candidate ) ; castVote ( candidate ) ; } else { castVote ( candidate ) ; }</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if(candidate == "Bush")
{
	castVote(candidate);
	castVote(candidate);
}
else
{
	castVote(candidate);
}</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28243615</id>
	<title>bitc)h</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244408160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">Shouts To 7he</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Shouts To 7he [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouts To 7he [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240917</id>
	<title>Re:What's so complicated?</title>
	<author>2phar</author>
	<datestamp>1244385540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I could see how some complexity could arise from data integrity concerns. Satellite systems, for example, include mechanisms to constantly check and error-correct memory because of corruption due to comsic rays. If you regard voter data as precious enough, you could construct pretty complex redundant systems to cross-check themselves too.</p><p>Of course, I doubt that would be happening if MS Access is involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could see how some complexity could arise from data integrity concerns .
Satellite systems , for example , include mechanisms to constantly check and error-correct memory because of corruption due to comsic rays .
If you regard voter data as precious enough , you could construct pretty complex redundant systems to cross-check themselves too.Of course , I doubt that would be happening if MS Access is involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could see how some complexity could arise from data integrity concerns.
Satellite systems, for example, include mechanisms to constantly check and error-correct memory because of corruption due to comsic rays.
If you regard voter data as precious enough, you could construct pretty complex redundant systems to cross-check themselves too.Of course, I doubt that would be happening if MS Access is involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240757</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28247739</id>
	<title>Re:Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>yourassOA</author>
	<datestamp>1244404320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>what hater of democracy modded me troll stand up or are you an anonymous coward to ashamed to take responsibility for your actions?</htmltext>
<tokenext>what hater of democracy modded me troll stand up or are you an anonymous coward to ashamed to take responsibility for your actions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what hater of democracy modded me troll stand up or are you an anonymous coward to ashamed to take responsibility for your actions?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240729</id>
	<title>WTF isn't this done already?</title>
	<author>tick-tock-atona</author>
	<datestamp>1244382660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Surely with something as important as a voting system, any private supplier should have to submit the blueprints &amp; code to some kind of independent panel for approval / verification as a matter of course?<br> <br>

Who the fuck trusts a <i>corporation</i> to implement a something that is fair, correct and well engineered, without any oversight?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely with something as important as a voting system , any private supplier should have to submit the blueprints &amp; code to some kind of independent panel for approval / verification as a matter of course ?
Who the fuck trusts a corporation to implement a something that is fair , correct and well engineered , without any oversight ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely with something as important as a voting system, any private supplier should have to submit the blueprints &amp; code to some kind of independent panel for approval / verification as a matter of course?
Who the fuck trusts a corporation to implement a something that is fair, correct and well engineered, without any oversight?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240757</id>
	<title>What's so complicated?</title>
	<author>Jamamala</author>
	<datestamp>1244382960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand how voting machines can be so complicated that such gross errors occur. Surely it can't be much more than a glorified counting program that also keeps some sort of log about what it's done. I'm making the presumption that these programs are for some reason very complicated, and that's why errors like this are more frequent than they should be. Can anyone either explain why they're so complicated or give another reason why they seem to spew out so many errors?<br> <br>(Aside from the witty "they're all programmed to vote for candidate X!" responses.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand how voting machines can be so complicated that such gross errors occur .
Surely it ca n't be much more than a glorified counting program that also keeps some sort of log about what it 's done .
I 'm making the presumption that these programs are for some reason very complicated , and that 's why errors like this are more frequent than they should be .
Can anyone either explain why they 're so complicated or give another reason why they seem to spew out so many errors ?
( Aside from the witty " they 're all programmed to vote for candidate X !
" responses .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand how voting machines can be so complicated that such gross errors occur.
Surely it can't be much more than a glorified counting program that also keeps some sort of log about what it's done.
I'm making the presumption that these programs are for some reason very complicated, and that's why errors like this are more frequent than they should be.
Can anyone either explain why they're so complicated or give another reason why they seem to spew out so many errors?
(Aside from the witty "they're all programmed to vote for candidate X!
" responses.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241025</id>
	<title>Sequoia is secure, all right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244386860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sequoia voting machines are secure, unless someone clicks here:</p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=sequoia+yellow+button&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&amp;client=firefox-a" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=sequoia+yellow+button&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&amp;client=firefox-a</a> [google.com]</p><p>I used to work for a state division of elections certifying voting equipment. I wound up getting canned. I think one of the rationale was that I raised an eyebrow at problems like this.</p><p>I'd love to know what American attitudes are towards open-source. I've known plenty of people who consider open-source inherently insecure, since the public can see how it works. American idio--er, voters, probably think a super-duper secret voting system is more secure than one that's open for public inspection.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sequoia voting machines are secure , unless someone clicks here : http : //www.google.com/search ? q = sequoia + yellow + button&amp;ie = utf-8&amp;oe = utf-8&amp;aq = t&amp;rls = com.ubuntu : en-US : unofficial&amp;client = firefox-a [ google.com ] I used to work for a state division of elections certifying voting equipment .
I wound up getting canned .
I think one of the rationale was that I raised an eyebrow at problems like this.I 'd love to know what American attitudes are towards open-source .
I 've known plenty of people who consider open-source inherently insecure , since the public can see how it works .
American idio--er , voters , probably think a super-duper secret voting system is more secure than one that 's open for public inspection .
: -/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sequoia voting machines are secure, unless someone clicks here:http://www.google.com/search?q=sequoia+yellow+button&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&amp;client=firefox-a [google.com]I used to work for a state division of elections certifying voting equipment.
I wound up getting canned.
I think one of the rationale was that I raised an eyebrow at problems like this.I'd love to know what American attitudes are towards open-source.
I've known plenty of people who consider open-source inherently insecure, since the public can see how it works.
American idio--er, voters, probably think a super-duper secret voting system is more secure than one that's open for public inspection.
:-/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28244617</id>
	<title>Boss looking at who you voted for is bullshit.</title>
	<author>yourassOA</author>
	<datestamp>1244373120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can your boss look at your vehicle registration? Vehicle registration should be secrete so your boss doesn't know you have a second vehicle and are working at a second job for the competition to pay for that vehicle and fire you. Can any random asshole look up your SNN? You people are a bunch of stupid assholes that try and protect everything wrong with the system rather than fix it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can your boss look at your vehicle registration ?
Vehicle registration should be secrete so your boss does n't know you have a second vehicle and are working at a second job for the competition to pay for that vehicle and fire you .
Can any random asshole look up your SNN ?
You people are a bunch of stupid assholes that try and protect everything wrong with the system rather than fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can your boss look at your vehicle registration?
Vehicle registration should be secrete so your boss doesn't know you have a second vehicle and are working at a second job for the competition to pay for that vehicle and fire you.
Can any random asshole look up your SNN?
You people are a bunch of stupid assholes that try and protect everything wrong with the system rather than fix it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241981</id>
	<title>Re:What's so complicated?</title>
	<author>Devout\_IPUite</author>
	<datestamp>1244396040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty sure vote==1 doesn't do much. In Java it actually gives you an error. In C it just does nothing mysteriously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty sure vote = = 1 does n't do much .
In Java it actually gives you an error .
In C it just does nothing mysteriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty sure vote==1 doesn't do much.
In Java it actually gives you an error.
In C it just does nothing mysteriously.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240889</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241345</id>
	<title>Re:Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244390280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.</p></div><p>You think maybe that's because the vote is secret?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.You think maybe that 's because the vote is secret ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.You think maybe that's because the vote is secret?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241793</id>
	<title>Re:Should get the same attention as fighter planes</title>
	<author>Almahtar</author>
	<datestamp>1244394840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters, naval warcraft, guns, rockets, bombs ---- and <b>voters</b>.</p></div><p>Fixed it for ya.  Problem here is that the voters don't care enough to make sure the elections are working the way they should.  They want to care about it once every 4 years, 2 years at best, and then go back to caring about their MySpace page.  If people cared more about the politics running their nation in general they'd raise more of a fuss about things like voting machines' discrepancies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters , naval warcraft , guns , rockets , bombs ---- and voters.Fixed it for ya .
Problem here is that the voters do n't care enough to make sure the elections are working the way they should .
They want to care about it once every 4 years , 2 years at best , and then go back to caring about their MySpace page .
If people cared more about the politics running their nation in general they 'd raise more of a fuss about things like voting machines ' discrepancies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters, naval warcraft, guns, rockets, bombs ---- and voters.Fixed it for ya.
Problem here is that the voters don't care enough to make sure the elections are working the way they should.
They want to care about it once every 4 years, 2 years at best, and then go back to caring about their MySpace page.
If people cared more about the politics running their nation in general they'd raise more of a fuss about things like voting machines' discrepancies.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240875</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28242735</id>
	<title>Re:Should get the same attention as fighter planes</title>
	<author>MrPhilby</author>
	<datestamp>1244401500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A voting machine is the ONLY machine you have to comprimise. The rest follow without a whimper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A voting machine is the ONLY machine you have to comprimise .
The rest follow without a whimper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A voting machine is the ONLY machine you have to comprimise.
The rest follow without a whimper.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240875</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240717</id>
	<title>Why not the first time?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1244382300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You want me to use your machine for my elections? Hand it all over. All. Source, blueprints, all. I want to audit it. For as long as I want and by whomever I please. Yes, of course you will get my signatures that your code will not be given to anyone (except for audits, but not to keep) and it will be only used to audit your machines. No problem.</p><p>You don't let me? Ok.</p><p>NEXT OFFER!</p><p>Frankly, it's a HUGE biz. Once you have the foot in the door, do you think they'll audit your competitor or will they order their next machines with you again because they've been audited already? YOU want to sell ME your machines. YOU are about to earn a ton of money, enough that you'll never have to create any other product anymore. You're selling to the government, not some beancounting company, they won't question if your software costs a million despite costing you 10k.</p><p>Do you think I'll find some company willing to comply with my requirements if you don't bend over?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You want me to use your machine for my elections ?
Hand it all over .
All. Source , blueprints , all .
I want to audit it .
For as long as I want and by whomever I please .
Yes , of course you will get my signatures that your code will not be given to anyone ( except for audits , but not to keep ) and it will be only used to audit your machines .
No problem.You do n't let me ?
Ok.NEXT OFFER ! Frankly , it 's a HUGE biz .
Once you have the foot in the door , do you think they 'll audit your competitor or will they order their next machines with you again because they 've been audited already ?
YOU want to sell ME your machines .
YOU are about to earn a ton of money , enough that you 'll never have to create any other product anymore .
You 're selling to the government , not some beancounting company , they wo n't question if your software costs a million despite costing you 10k.Do you think I 'll find some company willing to comply with my requirements if you do n't bend over ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want me to use your machine for my elections?
Hand it all over.
All. Source, blueprints, all.
I want to audit it.
For as long as I want and by whomever I please.
Yes, of course you will get my signatures that your code will not be given to anyone (except for audits, but not to keep) and it will be only used to audit your machines.
No problem.You don't let me?
Ok.NEXT OFFER!Frankly, it's a HUGE biz.
Once you have the foot in the door, do you think they'll audit your competitor or will they order their next machines with you again because they've been audited already?
YOU want to sell ME your machines.
YOU are about to earn a ton of money, enough that you'll never have to create any other product anymore.
You're selling to the government, not some beancounting company, they won't question if your software costs a million despite costing you 10k.Do you think I'll find some company willing to comply with my requirements if you don't bend over?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240875</id>
	<title>Should get the same attention as fighter planes</title>
	<author>CFD339</author>
	<datestamp>1244384880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters, naval warcraft, guns, rockets, bombs ---- and voting machines.</p><p>The US Government wouldn't buy a any of those other things without a massive effort to make sure they were secure, why not voting machines as well?  If you can compromise those, the rest are easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters , naval warcraft , guns , rockets , bombs ---- and voting machines.The US Government would n't buy a any of those other things without a massive effort to make sure they were secure , why not voting machines as well ?
If you can compromise those , the rest are easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The machines that protect democracy include jet fighters, naval warcraft, guns, rockets, bombs ---- and voting machines.The US Government wouldn't buy a any of those other things without a massive effort to make sure they were secure, why not voting machines as well?
If you can compromise those, the rest are easy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240815</id>
	<title>Re:Well there's your problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244383860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that the code is bloated.</p><p>castVote("Bush");<br>castVote(candidate);</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that the code is bloated.castVote ( " Bush " ) ; castVote ( candidate ) ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that the code is bloated.castVote("Bush");castVote(candidate);</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240697</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28242249</id>
	<title>Re:Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>WCguru42</author>
	<datestamp>1244398020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If everyones name was attached to their vote there would be a way to verify the election outcome. Are people really that ashamed of who they vote for?  No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.</p></div><p>Follow history much?  How about your up for a promotion and your boss doesn't like the person you voted for so he gives the promotion to somebody else.  How about the mob threatens to harass/beat up/kill your family if you don't vote for the right person.  There's a reason voting is secret and that secrecy is essential to democracy.  Without secrecy intimidation and coercion has, can and will occur in voting.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If everyones name was attached to their vote there would be a way to verify the election outcome .
Are people really that ashamed of who they vote for ?
No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.Follow history much ?
How about your up for a promotion and your boss does n't like the person you voted for so he gives the promotion to somebody else .
How about the mob threatens to harass/beat up/kill your family if you do n't vote for the right person .
There 's a reason voting is secret and that secrecy is essential to democracy .
Without secrecy intimidation and coercion has , can and will occur in voting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everyones name was attached to their vote there would be a way to verify the election outcome.
Are people really that ashamed of who they vote for?
No one is getting executed or persecuted based on their vote.Follow history much?
How about your up for a promotion and your boss doesn't like the person you voted for so he gives the promotion to somebody else.
How about the mob threatens to harass/beat up/kill your family if you don't vote for the right person.
There's a reason voting is secret and that secrecy is essential to democracy.
Without secrecy intimidation and coercion has, can and will occur in voting.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240589</id>
	<title>Yay!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244380440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About fucking time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About fucking time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About fucking time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28241489</id>
	<title>Re:Why a secret ballot?</title>
	<author>Chees0rz</author>
	<datestamp>1244391720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You had a pet Unicorn as a child, didn't you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You had a pet Unicorn as a child , did n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You had a pet Unicorn as a child, didn't you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28242431</id>
	<title>so what?</title>
	<author>Yxven</author>
	<datestamp>1244399280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't understand what this accomplishes. What are they going to do? Look for bugs? They already know there are bugs. If it was sabotaged, they're not going to get the code that was used and will only find bugs.</p><p>This is like calling the fire department after the barn has already burned to the ground, except that the fire will likely be allowed to continue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand what this accomplishes .
What are they going to do ?
Look for bugs ?
They already know there are bugs .
If it was sabotaged , they 're not going to get the code that was used and will only find bugs.This is like calling the fire department after the barn has already burned to the ground , except that the fire will likely be allowed to continue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand what this accomplishes.
What are they going to do?
Look for bugs?
They already know there are bugs.
If it was sabotaged, they're not going to get the code that was used and will only find bugs.This is like calling the fire department after the barn has already burned to the ground, except that the fire will likely be allowed to continue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_07_0845255.28240889</id>
	<title>Re:What's so complicated?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244385120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After a code review it was revealed the button1.onclick was vote++ instead of vote==1 and some people are doubletapping the screen.</p><p>I knew we shouldn't have outsourced that function to Mrs. Stewart's 4th grade computer class, but hey times are tough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After a code review it was revealed the button1.onclick was vote + + instead of vote = = 1 and some people are doubletapping the screen.I knew we should n't have outsourced that function to Mrs. Stewart 's 4th grade computer class , but hey times are tough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After a code review it was revealed the button1.onclick was vote++ instead of vote==1 and some people are doubletapping the screen.I knew we shouldn't have outsourced that function to Mrs. Stewart's 4th grade computer class, but hey times are tough.</sentencetext>
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