<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_05_2222238</id>
	<title>EFF Launches TOS Tracker</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1244202600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:bittercode@gmail" rel="nofollow">stoolpigeon</a> writes with this quote from the EFF:
<i>"'Terms of Service' policies on websites define how Internet businesses interact with you and use your personal information. But most web users don't read these policies &mdash; or understand that the terms are constantly changing. To <a href="http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/06/03-0">track these ever-evolving documents</a>, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is launching <a href="http://www.tosback.org/">TOSBack</a>: a 'terms of service' tracker for Facebook, Google, eBay, and other major websites. ... The issue of terms-of-service changes &mdash; and how and why they are made &mdash; was highlighted earlier this year when Facebook <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/1347230&amp;tid=158">modified its terms of use</a>. Facebook users worried that the change gave the company the right to use members' content indefinitely. After a <a href="//slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/17/2213251&amp;tid=267">user revolt</a>, Facebook announced that it would <a href="//slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/18/1310239&amp;tid=267">restore the former terms</a> while it worked through the concerns users had raised."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>stoolpigeon writes with this quote from the EFF : " 'Terms of Service ' policies on websites define how Internet businesses interact with you and use your personal information .
But most web users do n't read these policies    or understand that the terms are constantly changing .
To track these ever-evolving documents , the Electronic Frontier Foundation ( EFF ) is launching TOSBack : a 'terms of service ' tracker for Facebook , Google , eBay , and other major websites .
... The issue of terms-of-service changes    and how and why they are made    was highlighted earlier this year when Facebook modified its terms of use .
Facebook users worried that the change gave the company the right to use members ' content indefinitely .
After a user revolt , Facebook announced that it would restore the former terms while it worked through the concerns users had raised .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>stoolpigeon writes with this quote from the EFF:
"'Terms of Service' policies on websites define how Internet businesses interact with you and use your personal information.
But most web users don't read these policies — or understand that the terms are constantly changing.
To track these ever-evolving documents, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is launching TOSBack: a 'terms of service' tracker for Facebook, Google, eBay, and other major websites.
... The issue of terms-of-service changes — and how and why they are made — was highlighted earlier this year when Facebook modified its terms of use.
Facebook users worried that the change gave the company the right to use members' content indefinitely.
After a user revolt, Facebook announced that it would restore the former terms while it worked through the concerns users had raised.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28233663</id>
	<title>Re:Diff</title>
	<author>xenocide2</author>
	<datestamp>1244307480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I approve of this law, but only after it's adopted for laws itself. I have a hard time seeing why we can't treat legal code like... code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I approve of this law , but only after it 's adopted for laws itself .
I have a hard time seeing why we ca n't treat legal code like... code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I approve of this law, but only after it's adopted for laws itself.
I have a hard time seeing why we can't treat legal code like... code.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28231785</id>
	<title>why the long TOS</title>
	<author>Danathar</author>
	<datestamp>1244292720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the TOS's I've read boil down to.</p><p>"You agree to waive any and all rights you have in regards to this service. You also agree to waive your right to a trial if you disagree with our TOS"</p><p>I mean seriously, that's what they all say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the TOS 's I 've read boil down to .
" You agree to waive any and all rights you have in regards to this service .
You also agree to waive your right to a trial if you disagree with our TOS " I mean seriously , that 's what they all say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the TOS's I've read boil down to.
"You agree to waive any and all rights you have in regards to this service.
You also agree to waive your right to a trial if you disagree with our TOS"I mean seriously, that's what they all say.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28232059</id>
	<title>A Better Idea</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244296680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just require that EULAs never be removed from the site, and they must be easily accessible from the current EULA. Let users make their own comparisons, e.g. with this new tool. This puts the minimum burden on publishers while still providing the necessary information to consumers. Settling on a diff format will be impossible<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just require that EULAs never be removed from the site , and they must be easily accessible from the current EULA .
Let users make their own comparisons , e.g .
with this new tool .
This puts the minimum burden on publishers while still providing the necessary information to consumers .
Settling on a diff format will be impossible : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just require that EULAs never be removed from the site, and they must be easily accessible from the current EULA.
Let users make their own comparisons, e.g.
with this new tool.
This puts the minimum burden on publishers while still providing the necessary information to consumers.
Settling on a diff format will be impossible :(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28234335</id>
	<title>Meh</title>
	<author>Kingrames</author>
	<datestamp>1244312340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someday somebody's going to write a TOS that lays claim to your eternal soul, and promises that the product will cause the apocalypse, and that anything short of that you should be thankful for, and if you sue them, they keep everything you win, etc.
<br>
<br>
Hey, if idiots win frivolous suits because of shit you didn't warn them about, why not warn them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someday somebody 's going to write a TOS that lays claim to your eternal soul , and promises that the product will cause the apocalypse , and that anything short of that you should be thankful for , and if you sue them , they keep everything you win , etc .
Hey , if idiots win frivolous suits because of shit you did n't warn them about , why not warn them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someday somebody's going to write a TOS that lays claim to your eternal soul, and promises that the product will cause the apocalypse, and that anything short of that you should be thankful for, and if you sue them, they keep everything you win, etc.
Hey, if idiots win frivolous suits because of shit you didn't warn them about, why not warn them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229085</id>
	<title>Slashdot looks FUCKED UP in Camino</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244207820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which one of you PERL jockeys went and changed a good thing?  Damn dudes, I know you have to do something all day, but seriously...going back to the 2001 Slashdot design would be a good thing.  Screw all this Web 2.0 horseshit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which one of you PERL jockeys went and changed a good thing ?
Damn dudes , I know you have to do something all day , but seriously...going back to the 2001 Slashdot design would be a good thing .
Screw all this Web 2.0 horseshit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which one of you PERL jockeys went and changed a good thing?
Damn dudes, I know you have to do something all day, but seriously...going back to the 2001 Slashdot design would be a good thing.
Screw all this Web 2.0 horseshit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28228953</id>
	<title>Niggers are Lazy, but Jews are Greedy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244206320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is worse - lazy niggers or greedy jews?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is worse - lazy niggers or greedy jews ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is worse - lazy niggers or greedy jews?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229207</id>
	<title>Wiki?</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1244209380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the best features of wiki pages is that you can see who did what changes and when. Maybe using that technology could be made a generic "important" files changes tracker?</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the best features of wiki pages is that you can see who did what changes and when .
Maybe using that technology could be made a generic " important " files changes tracker ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the best features of wiki pages is that you can see who did what changes and when.
Maybe using that technology could be made a generic "important" files changes tracker?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28230453</id>
	<title>good idea</title>
	<author>AnAdventurer</author>
	<datestamp>1244227560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IANAL but I thought there was a big to do (in the courts) years ago about how TOS only applied if you had to navigate through (like iTunes) it not lust click a box agreeing that you read it (Facebook). Anyone have info on dat?</htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL but I thought there was a big to do ( in the courts ) years ago about how TOS only applied if you had to navigate through ( like iTunes ) it not lust click a box agreeing that you read it ( Facebook ) .
Anyone have info on dat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL but I thought there was a big to do (in the courts) years ago about how TOS only applied if you had to navigate through (like iTunes) it not lust click a box agreeing that you read it (Facebook).
Anyone have info on dat?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229313</id>
	<title>How 'bout something more useful?</title>
	<author>Civil\_Disobedient</author>
	<datestamp>1244211480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I guess it's great that they're tracking Google and Facebook and YouTube.</p><p>But how about they track the terms of service on some major credit card companies, as well?</p><p>Or health insurance companies?</p><p>Or car insurance.</p><p>You know... something <b>fucking useful?</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I guess it 's great that they 're tracking Google and Facebook and YouTube.But how about they track the terms of service on some major credit card companies , as well ? Or health insurance companies ? Or car insurance.You know... something fucking useful ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I guess it's great that they're tracking Google and Facebook and YouTube.But how about they track the terms of service on some major credit card companies, as well?Or health insurance companies?Or car insurance.You know... something fucking useful?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229271</id>
	<title>Should be ToS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244210760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>TOS = The Original Series; ToS = Terms of Service.  Thank you for your time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TOS = The Original Series ; ToS = Terms of Service .
Thank you for your time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TOS = The Original Series; ToS = Terms of Service.
Thank you for your time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229049</id>
	<title>They have also established...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244207280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TOSBackTOS.org which tracks the TOS of TOSBack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TOSBackTOS.org which tracks the TOS of TOSBack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TOSBackTOS.org which tracks the TOS of TOSBack.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28232009</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot looks FUCKED UP in Camino</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1244295900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a pref that pretty much does that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a pref that pretty much does that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a pref that pretty much does that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229085</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229083</id>
	<title>Symptom of the TV-Web</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244207760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ToS and the control they provide to the likes of Flickr are a symptom of the provider-consumer split. In the early days of the internet, people understood that you don't need a central service to host your web page, that you do not need to give a third party rights to your photos if you just want to share them with your friends. New users don't know that anymore. When they want to do something with the web, they look around for some service which does it for them, in exchange for their content. It's so easy, who cares that you have to sign away your rights?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ToS and the control they provide to the likes of Flickr are a symptom of the provider-consumer split .
In the early days of the internet , people understood that you do n't need a central service to host your web page , that you do not need to give a third party rights to your photos if you just want to share them with your friends .
New users do n't know that anymore .
When they want to do something with the web , they look around for some service which does it for them , in exchange for their content .
It 's so easy , who cares that you have to sign away your rights ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ToS and the control they provide to the likes of Flickr are a symptom of the provider-consumer split.
In the early days of the internet, people understood that you don't need a central service to host your web page, that you do not need to give a third party rights to your photos if you just want to share them with your friends.
New users don't know that anymore.
When they want to do something with the web, they look around for some service which does it for them, in exchange for their content.
It's so easy, who cares that you have to sign away your rights?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28230475</id>
	<title>Re:Don't install this.</title>
	<author>Gerzel</author>
	<datestamp>1244227980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice legal theory.  Please try to test it out in court.  We'll wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice legal theory .
Please try to test it out in court .
We 'll wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice legal theory.
Please try to test it out in court.
We'll wait.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229035</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229635</id>
	<title>Re:Diff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244215560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think a Federal law should be passed requiring not only web sites but all TOS documents to produce a diff version so it's easy to see what has changed since the last version. Who has time to re-read all the credit card, phone company, etc. lengthy TOS documents to find the one or two line that have subtly changed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think a Federal law should be passed requiring not only web sites but all TOS documents to produce a diff version so it 's easy to see what has changed since the last version .
Who has time to re-read all the credit card , phone company , etc .
lengthy TOS documents to find the one or two line that have subtly changed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think a Federal law should be passed requiring not only web sites but all TOS documents to produce a diff version so it's easy to see what has changed since the last version.
Who has time to re-read all the credit card, phone company, etc.
lengthy TOS documents to find the one or two line that have subtly changed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28228973</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229349</id>
	<title>Facebook revolts</title>
	<author>weirdcrashingnoises</author>
	<datestamp>1244212080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are completely worthless, a dime a dozen. Anytime facebook has done anything at all there have been revolts against it. When FB changed it up some, they revolted. When FB let non-college people join, they revolted. When FB changed it up *again*, they revolted. ect...</p><p>But oh man, can you imagine the poop that would hit the fan if they went and changed it all back to how it was originally? ah that would be epic.</p><p>Facebook revolts are all fail, just like facebook.</p><p>-this from a 4+ year FB user, i even remember when facebook had the "the" lol</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are completely worthless , a dime a dozen .
Anytime facebook has done anything at all there have been revolts against it .
When FB changed it up some , they revolted .
When FB let non-college people join , they revolted .
When FB changed it up * again * , they revolted .
ect...But oh man , can you imagine the poop that would hit the fan if they went and changed it all back to how it was originally ?
ah that would be epic.Facebook revolts are all fail , just like facebook.-this from a 4 + year FB user , i even remember when facebook had the " the " lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are completely worthless, a dime a dozen.
Anytime facebook has done anything at all there have been revolts against it.
When FB changed it up some, they revolted.
When FB let non-college people join, they revolted.
When FB changed it up *again*, they revolted.
ect...But oh man, can you imagine the poop that would hit the fan if they went and changed it all back to how it was originally?
ah that would be epic.Facebook revolts are all fail, just like facebook.-this from a 4+ year FB user, i even remember when facebook had the "the" lol</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28230783</id>
	<title>The Original Series (Re:Symptom of the TV-Web)</title>
	<author>StCredZero</author>
	<datestamp>1244319180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"TV-Web?"  TV was much *better* before the web!  Why, in my youth, there was no Internet!  We didn't even have computers!  We only saw them on Star Trek!  The *Original Series*!  And you know what?  We *liked it*!</p><p>(TOS was Usenet shorthand for The Original Series of Star Trek.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" TV-Web ?
" TV was much * better * before the web !
Why , in my youth , there was no Internet !
We did n't even have computers !
We only saw them on Star Trek !
The * Original Series * !
And you know what ?
We * liked it * !
( TOS was Usenet shorthand for The Original Series of Star Trek .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"TV-Web?
"  TV was much *better* before the web!
Why, in my youth, there was no Internet!
We didn't even have computers!
We only saw them on Star Trek!
The *Original Series*!
And you know what?
We *liked it*!
(TOS was Usenet shorthand for The Original Series of Star Trek.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229083</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28228973</id>
	<title>Diff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244206440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A wiki-style diff/versioning would be nice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A wiki-style diff/versioning would be nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A wiki-style diff/versioning would be nice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28230395</id>
	<title>TOS Tracker? Sign me up!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244226840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, I think it's really great that someone's started a BitTorrent tracker just for old Star Trek episodes. I cannot tell you how often I've been thinking "Man, I really could use some Spock&#226;"McCoy foreplay right about now" and not have had the disk space to keep it all around at once! Thanks, EFF!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , I think it 's really great that someone 's started a BitTorrent tracker just for old Star Trek episodes .
I can not tell you how often I 've been thinking " Man , I really could use some Spock   " McCoy foreplay right about now " and not have had the disk space to keep it all around at once !
Thanks , EFF !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, I think it's really great that someone's started a BitTorrent tracker just for old Star Trek episodes.
I cannot tell you how often I've been thinking "Man, I really could use some Spockâ"McCoy foreplay right about now" and not have had the disk space to keep it all around at once!
Thanks, EFF!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229143</id>
	<title>Can someone make a firefox plugin</title>
	<author>linzeal</author>
	<datestamp>1244208660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Combine that with some sort of aggregating data feed from EFF and other trusted sites.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Combine that with some sort of aggregating data feed from EFF and other trusted sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Combine that with some sort of aggregating data feed from EFF and other trusted sites.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28235495</id>
	<title>Re:Diff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244320020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just use <a href="http://www.changedetection.com/" title="changedetection.com" rel="nofollow">this</a> [changedetection.com] to monitor pages and create visual diffs, get a custom RSS feed of the changes, emailed change notifications, etc. It's good for TOS pages but also anything you find interesting and want to track. Especially stuff that does not change every day, so you don't have to revisit every day to see if there's been an update..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just use this [ changedetection.com ] to monitor pages and create visual diffs , get a custom RSS feed of the changes , emailed change notifications , etc .
It 's good for TOS pages but also anything you find interesting and want to track .
Especially stuff that does not change every day , so you do n't have to revisit every day to see if there 's been an update. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just use this [changedetection.com] to monitor pages and create visual diffs, get a custom RSS feed of the changes, emailed change notifications, etc.
It's good for TOS pages but also anything you find interesting and want to track.
Especially stuff that does not change every day, so you don't have to revisit every day to see if there's been an update..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28230109</id>
	<title>Re:Symptom of the TV-Web</title>
	<author>thearkitex</author>
	<datestamp>1244222640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That will never happen though, since it causes facebook to loose money.</p></div><p>When someone figures out something that will make them <i>tight</i> money, I'll be interested. That way, they don't have to worry about their loose money, because they can tighten it back up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That will never happen though , since it causes facebook to loose money.When someone figures out something that will make them tight money , I 'll be interested .
That way , they do n't have to worry about their loose money , because they can tighten it back up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That will never happen though, since it causes facebook to loose money.When someone figures out something that will make them tight money, I'll be interested.
That way, they don't have to worry about their loose money, because they can tighten it back up.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229035</id>
	<title>Don't install this.</title>
	<author>Pinckney</author>
	<datestamp>1244207040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IANAL, but as far as I understand, if you need a special add-on to ensure that you see their updates, their updates mean nothing. If you must see and click through a TOS to use the service, it is binding. If you need to take action to see the TOS, it is not. So don't install this, don't view their updates, and save a copy of the TOS that does apply to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL , but as far as I understand , if you need a special add-on to ensure that you see their updates , their updates mean nothing .
If you must see and click through a TOS to use the service , it is binding .
If you need to take action to see the TOS , it is not .
So do n't install this , do n't view their updates , and save a copy of the TOS that does apply to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL, but as far as I understand, if you need a special add-on to ensure that you see their updates, their updates mean nothing.
If you must see and click through a TOS to use the service, it is binding.
If you need to take action to see the TOS, it is not.
So don't install this, don't view their updates, and save a copy of the TOS that does apply to you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229011</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244206860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EFF = terrorists</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EFF = terrorists</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EFF = terrorists</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28230641</id>
	<title>Don't forget telcos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244230740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T changed their terms of service to ban streaming to their cell phones, then claimed it was a mistake when iPhone users threw a fit. Now, they quietly changed it again to block "streaming from television" in an effort to block the slingplayer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T changed their terms of service to ban streaming to their cell phones , then claimed it was a mistake when iPhone users threw a fit .
Now , they quietly changed it again to block " streaming from television " in an effort to block the slingplayer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T changed their terms of service to ban streaming to their cell phones, then claimed it was a mistake when iPhone users threw a fit.
Now, they quietly changed it again to block "streaming from television" in an effort to block the slingplayer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229515</id>
	<title>Re:Symptom of the TV-Web</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244214240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell yeah - take email. Email by nature is decentralized. Nobody has a monopoly on email and everybody can have their choice of email providers. But when we start using myspace and facebook messages more than email, we have a problem - myspace cant send messages to facebook and vice versa. So if you want to talk with your friends, you need to join that network. The owners of that network can then have total control of how messages are sent.
</p><p>
I think we could solve this problem by creating ways for social networks to communicate to eachother. Some kind of standard. That way if you didn't like facebook TOS, you could join another network, but still keep in touch with your friends. That will never happen though, since it causes facebook to loose money. Another solution would be to build some new alternate decentralized social networking standard from the ground up, and hope that it gets popular enough to topple the current oligopoly.</p><p>Bottom line: Companies have no clue how to thrive in a decentralized world where users have control, so like always, they try to make internet work like centralized old media. Reminds me of a quote from Marshall Mcluhan: We look at the present through a rear-view mirror. We march backwards into the future.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell yeah - take email .
Email by nature is decentralized .
Nobody has a monopoly on email and everybody can have their choice of email providers .
But when we start using myspace and facebook messages more than email , we have a problem - myspace cant send messages to facebook and vice versa .
So if you want to talk with your friends , you need to join that network .
The owners of that network can then have total control of how messages are sent .
I think we could solve this problem by creating ways for social networks to communicate to eachother .
Some kind of standard .
That way if you did n't like facebook TOS , you could join another network , but still keep in touch with your friends .
That will never happen though , since it causes facebook to loose money .
Another solution would be to build some new alternate decentralized social networking standard from the ground up , and hope that it gets popular enough to topple the current oligopoly.Bottom line : Companies have no clue how to thrive in a decentralized world where users have control , so like always , they try to make internet work like centralized old media .
Reminds me of a quote from Marshall Mcluhan : We look at the present through a rear-view mirror .
We march backwards into the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell yeah - take email.
Email by nature is decentralized.
Nobody has a monopoly on email and everybody can have their choice of email providers.
But when we start using myspace and facebook messages more than email, we have a problem - myspace cant send messages to facebook and vice versa.
So if you want to talk with your friends, you need to join that network.
The owners of that network can then have total control of how messages are sent.
I think we could solve this problem by creating ways for social networks to communicate to eachother.
Some kind of standard.
That way if you didn't like facebook TOS, you could join another network, but still keep in touch with your friends.
That will never happen though, since it causes facebook to loose money.
Another solution would be to build some new alternate decentralized social networking standard from the ground up, and hope that it gets popular enough to topple the current oligopoly.Bottom line: Companies have no clue how to thrive in a decentralized world where users have control, so like always, they try to make internet work like centralized old media.
Reminds me of a quote from Marshall Mcluhan: We look at the present through a rear-view mirror.
We march backwards into the future.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28229197</id>
	<title>Re:Don't install this.</title>
	<author>samkass</author>
	<datestamp>1244209260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't matter what is legally binding here.  You've already given them your bio information and legally there's nothing stopping them from doing whatever they want with it.  Facts aren't copyrighted.  Now, images and writing is, which is why Facebook's rights to reproduce the works are important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter what is legally binding here .
You 've already given them your bio information and legally there 's nothing stopping them from doing whatever they want with it .
Facts are n't copyrighted .
Now , images and writing is , which is why Facebook 's rights to reproduce the works are important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter what is legally binding here.
You've already given them your bio information and legally there's nothing stopping them from doing whatever they want with it.
Facts aren't copyrighted.
Now, images and writing is, which is why Facebook's rights to reproduce the works are important.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28231191</id>
	<title>Re:Diff</title>
	<author>slash.duncan</author>
	<datestamp>1244282460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, my bank does pretty much just that.  Every year when they send out the new TOS (or when they otherwise make changes), in addition to sending out the complete version, they have an additional little pamphlet that explains what changed in (no doubt PR reviewed, but it's better than nothing) plain English, as well as listing the new legal terms with the changes in BOLD.  (I don't recall whether they actually list the old terms or not, thus completing the parallel to diff, however.)</p><p>They're also pretty good about explaining exactly what to do if you don't like the new terms, and wish to keep the old terms (tho of course that normally means no new transactions on the account).  Unlike some of the institutions making headlines out there, they do NOT force terms changes on old balances, and not only do they give you an opt-out (with the result of effectively canceling the account for new transactions) on old balances, I've yet to see them change the actual interest rate terms on them at all.  That's NOT to say the interest rate itself can't change, but if it does, it's in accordance with the rules active when you made the purchase or otherwise established the balance.  (The terms that can and do change are things like NSF fees charges, the specific terms under which foreign currency transactions occur, etc, plus of course rather more flexibility on any new balance terms.)</p><p>I've actually been quite pleased with them.  The only thing I don't particularly like is the double-period balance (or whatever it's called, I don't think that's quite right) interest calculation method on the CC account, but I've solved that by simply paying off every month, save for I think one month near the beginning, thus incurring interest charges on new purchases for exactly one month.  They've lost way more in interest from me deciding I will NOT carry over a balance even if I might have for a couple months otherwise, than they gained from that single month of interest on new purchases.  But the double-period balance method (or whatever it's called) is set to become illegal next year, IIRC.  I've been thinking about calling them up and asking them to remove it on the account now, and I probably would if I had a big purchase that I planned to take several months to pay off planned, but for now, it's just effective incentive not to carry a balance. =:^)</p><p>But the online banking works well with Konqueror from KDE 3, and has for years (not even requiring flash, which I don't have as it's proprietary and I couldn't accept the EULA, except for a single non-vital function, getting those "disposable card numbers").  I tell people I like them mostly because I never have to see them, since I have direct deposit and do all my banking online. =:^)</p><p>Plus, (and while I've avoided mentioning the name, this will give it away to some) it's the bank that SCO was all set to sue before it decided to try Chrysler, etc, instead.  That SCO hated 'em was an extra special bonus for me as their customer. =;^)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , my bank does pretty much just that .
Every year when they send out the new TOS ( or when they otherwise make changes ) , in addition to sending out the complete version , they have an additional little pamphlet that explains what changed in ( no doubt PR reviewed , but it 's better than nothing ) plain English , as well as listing the new legal terms with the changes in BOLD .
( I do n't recall whether they actually list the old terms or not , thus completing the parallel to diff , however .
) They 're also pretty good about explaining exactly what to do if you do n't like the new terms , and wish to keep the old terms ( tho of course that normally means no new transactions on the account ) .
Unlike some of the institutions making headlines out there , they do NOT force terms changes on old balances , and not only do they give you an opt-out ( with the result of effectively canceling the account for new transactions ) on old balances , I 've yet to see them change the actual interest rate terms on them at all .
That 's NOT to say the interest rate itself ca n't change , but if it does , it 's in accordance with the rules active when you made the purchase or otherwise established the balance .
( The terms that can and do change are things like NSF fees charges , the specific terms under which foreign currency transactions occur , etc , plus of course rather more flexibility on any new balance terms .
) I 've actually been quite pleased with them .
The only thing I do n't particularly like is the double-period balance ( or whatever it 's called , I do n't think that 's quite right ) interest calculation method on the CC account , but I 've solved that by simply paying off every month , save for I think one month near the beginning , thus incurring interest charges on new purchases for exactly one month .
They 've lost way more in interest from me deciding I will NOT carry over a balance even if I might have for a couple months otherwise , than they gained from that single month of interest on new purchases .
But the double-period balance method ( or whatever it 's called ) is set to become illegal next year , IIRC .
I 've been thinking about calling them up and asking them to remove it on the account now , and I probably would if I had a big purchase that I planned to take several months to pay off planned , but for now , it 's just effective incentive not to carry a balance .
= : ^ ) But the online banking works well with Konqueror from KDE 3 , and has for years ( not even requiring flash , which I do n't have as it 's proprietary and I could n't accept the EULA , except for a single non-vital function , getting those " disposable card numbers " ) .
I tell people I like them mostly because I never have to see them , since I have direct deposit and do all my banking online .
= : ^ ) Plus , ( and while I 've avoided mentioning the name , this will give it away to some ) it 's the bank that SCO was all set to sue before it decided to try Chrysler , etc , instead .
That SCO hated 'em was an extra special bonus for me as their customer .
= ; ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, my bank does pretty much just that.
Every year when they send out the new TOS (or when they otherwise make changes), in addition to sending out the complete version, they have an additional little pamphlet that explains what changed in (no doubt PR reviewed, but it's better than nothing) plain English, as well as listing the new legal terms with the changes in BOLD.
(I don't recall whether they actually list the old terms or not, thus completing the parallel to diff, however.
)They're also pretty good about explaining exactly what to do if you don't like the new terms, and wish to keep the old terms (tho of course that normally means no new transactions on the account).
Unlike some of the institutions making headlines out there, they do NOT force terms changes on old balances, and not only do they give you an opt-out (with the result of effectively canceling the account for new transactions) on old balances, I've yet to see them change the actual interest rate terms on them at all.
That's NOT to say the interest rate itself can't change, but if it does, it's in accordance with the rules active when you made the purchase or otherwise established the balance.
(The terms that can and do change are things like NSF fees charges, the specific terms under which foreign currency transactions occur, etc, plus of course rather more flexibility on any new balance terms.
)I've actually been quite pleased with them.
The only thing I don't particularly like is the double-period balance (or whatever it's called, I don't think that's quite right) interest calculation method on the CC account, but I've solved that by simply paying off every month, save for I think one month near the beginning, thus incurring interest charges on new purchases for exactly one month.
They've lost way more in interest from me deciding I will NOT carry over a balance even if I might have for a couple months otherwise, than they gained from that single month of interest on new purchases.
But the double-period balance method (or whatever it's called) is set to become illegal next year, IIRC.
I've been thinking about calling them up and asking them to remove it on the account now, and I probably would if I had a big purchase that I planned to take several months to pay off planned, but for now, it's just effective incentive not to carry a balance.
=:^)But the online banking works well with Konqueror from KDE 3, and has for years (not even requiring flash, which I don't have as it's proprietary and I couldn't accept the EULA, except for a single non-vital function, getting those "disposable card numbers").
I tell people I like them mostly because I never have to see them, since I have direct deposit and do all my banking online.
=:^)Plus, (and while I've avoided mentioning the name, this will give it away to some) it's the bank that SCO was all set to sue before it decided to try Chrysler, etc, instead.
That SCO hated 'em was an extra special bonus for me as their customer.
=;^)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28230181</id>
	<title>I agree, in part.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244223720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; IANAL, but as far as I understand, if you need a special add-on to ensure that you see their updates, their updates mean nothing.</p><p>Actually, I think that a judge is more likely to rule that the changes are binding if you clearly had notice of them.</p><p>So if you install this, use it, and continue to use the service after some negative change to their policy, you're more likely to be found to have agreed to it, no matter how unreasonable that change was.</p><p>In short, I won't be using this thing.  IANAL, but I'd rather have mine be able to argue that I hadn't been given proper notice of that change than to install some extension that makes it clear that I knew or should have known about all the crazy changes they make to their terms of service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; IANAL , but as far as I understand , if you need a special add-on to ensure that you see their updates , their updates mean nothing.Actually , I think that a judge is more likely to rule that the changes are binding if you clearly had notice of them.So if you install this , use it , and continue to use the service after some negative change to their policy , you 're more likely to be found to have agreed to it , no matter how unreasonable that change was.In short , I wo n't be using this thing .
IANAL , but I 'd rather have mine be able to argue that I had n't been given proper notice of that change than to install some extension that makes it clear that I knew or should have known about all the crazy changes they make to their terms of service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; IANAL, but as far as I understand, if you need a special add-on to ensure that you see their updates, their updates mean nothing.Actually, I think that a judge is more likely to rule that the changes are binding if you clearly had notice of them.So if you install this, use it, and continue to use the service after some negative change to their policy, you're more likely to be found to have agreed to it, no matter how unreasonable that change was.In short, I won't be using this thing.
IANAL, but I'd rather have mine be able to argue that I hadn't been given proper notice of that change than to install some extension that makes it clear that I knew or should have known about all the crazy changes they make to their terms of service.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28230213</id>
	<title>Re:Diff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244224140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would get lobbied right into the ground before the initial draft cooled coming out of the laser printer.</p><p>There's no way that big business will allow themselves to be forced to explain to their consumers just exactly what new ways they've come up with to screw them over in the name of profits and shareholder value.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would get lobbied right into the ground before the initial draft cooled coming out of the laser printer.There 's no way that big business will allow themselves to be forced to explain to their consumers just exactly what new ways they 've come up with to screw them over in the name of profits and shareholder value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would get lobbied right into the ground before the initial draft cooled coming out of the laser printer.There's no way that big business will allow themselves to be forced to explain to their consumers just exactly what new ways they've come up with to screw them over in the name of profits and shareholder value.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_05_2222238.28232073</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot looks FUCKED UP in Camino</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1244296860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a configuration option to go back to the classic interface. Those of us who are already using it are either slightly amused or mildly annoyed at your apparent inability to find it (and have no idea what the fuck you're whining about, either.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a configuration option to go back to the classic interface .
Those of us who are already using it are either slightly amused or mildly annoyed at your apparent inability to find it ( and have no idea what the fuck you 're whining about , either .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a configuration option to go back to the classic interface.
Those of us who are already using it are either slightly amused or mildly annoyed at your apparent inability to find it (and have no idea what the fuck you're whining about, either.
)</sentencetext>
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