<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_03_2036213</id>
	<title>KDE 4.2.4 Released</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244018580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"KDE 4.2.4 has been released. See the <a href="http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2.4.php">release announcement</a> for details."</i> Barring a "security issue or another grave bug," this is the end of the KDE 4.2 line, which means for distros based on long-term support, it might be the thing to get used to for a while.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " KDE 4.2.4 has been released .
See the release announcement for details .
" Barring a " security issue or another grave bug , " this is the end of the KDE 4.2 line , which means for distros based on long-term support , it might be the thing to get used to for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "KDE 4.2.4 has been released.
See the release announcement for details.
" Barring a "security issue or another grave bug," this is the end of the KDE 4.2 line, which means for distros based on long-term support, it might be the thing to get used to for a while.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202213</id>
	<title>Re:I just tried KDE 4.1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244026800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>4.1 isn't even close to 4.2. You might as well compare a beta to a release version (think of it this way - 4.0 was the tech preview, incomplete and buggy but with APIs in place. 4.1 is the beta - many of the features but not all, and still buggy. 4.2 is release, with bugs fixed and features in place).</p><p>You'd think that talking about 4.1 in an article about 4.2.4 would be obviously absurd, but apparently not...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>4.1 is n't even close to 4.2 .
You might as well compare a beta to a release version ( think of it this way - 4.0 was the tech preview , incomplete and buggy but with APIs in place .
4.1 is the beta - many of the features but not all , and still buggy .
4.2 is release , with bugs fixed and features in place ) .You 'd think that talking about 4.1 in an article about 4.2.4 would be obviously absurd , but apparently not.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4.1 isn't even close to 4.2.
You might as well compare a beta to a release version (think of it this way - 4.0 was the tech preview, incomplete and buggy but with APIs in place.
4.1 is the beta - many of the features but not all, and still buggy.
4.2 is release, with bugs fixed and features in place).You'd think that talking about 4.1 in an article about 4.2.4 would be obviously absurd, but apparently not...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28332511</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1245009180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm... my only printer is local, but it was found easily.</p><p>Dolphin is not my preferred application. Two recommended options: either change the default file browsing application in the KDE configuration, or just put a link to Konqueror (in Filemanager mode) on your desktop or pinned to the K menu or similar.</p><p>Middle-click opens links in a new tab for me, the way it has done for years. I'm pretty sure this is optional. What I really like is that I can now tell Konqueror to *close* a tab when I middle-click on it (in the tab bar) which is the behavior of all other browsers, and which I find intuitive and convenient.</p><p>For me, the new features more than outweigh the occasionally incompletely ported application. If you don't mind the disk space, you can keep the KDE3 apps and libraries around if you really want to, but frankly my experience is that KDE4.2 is frankly just superior to 3.5 now. If you don't feel that way, that's fine, the choice is yours. Personally, I love it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm... my only printer is local , but it was found easily.Dolphin is not my preferred application .
Two recommended options : either change the default file browsing application in the KDE configuration , or just put a link to Konqueror ( in Filemanager mode ) on your desktop or pinned to the K menu or similar.Middle-click opens links in a new tab for me , the way it has done for years .
I 'm pretty sure this is optional .
What I really like is that I can now tell Konqueror to * close * a tab when I middle-click on it ( in the tab bar ) which is the behavior of all other browsers , and which I find intuitive and convenient.For me , the new features more than outweigh the occasionally incompletely ported application .
If you do n't mind the disk space , you can keep the KDE3 apps and libraries around if you really want to , but frankly my experience is that KDE4.2 is frankly just superior to 3.5 now .
If you do n't feel that way , that 's fine , the choice is yours .
Personally , I love it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm... my only printer is local, but it was found easily.Dolphin is not my preferred application.
Two recommended options: either change the default file browsing application in the KDE configuration, or just put a link to Konqueror (in Filemanager mode) on your desktop or pinned to the K menu or similar.Middle-click opens links in a new tab for me, the way it has done for years.
I'm pretty sure this is optional.
What I really like is that I can now tell Konqueror to *close* a tab when I middle-click on it (in the tab bar) which is the behavior of all other browsers, and which I find intuitive and convenient.For me, the new features more than outweigh the occasionally incompletely ported application.
If you don't mind the disk space, you can keep the KDE3 apps and libraries around if you really want to, but frankly my experience is that KDE4.2 is frankly just superior to 3.5 now.
If you don't feel that way, that's fine, the choice is yours.
Personally, I love it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206837</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201541</id>
	<title>KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244024580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>But the wait for it to be sufficiently feature-complete to be usable is a strain.<p>

My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth, but the newer ones don't work at all, unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that'd be sweet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the wait for it to be sufficiently feature-complete to be usable is a strain .
My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth , but the newer ones do n't work at all , unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that 'd be sweet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the wait for it to be sufficiently feature-complete to be usable is a strain.
My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth, but the newer ones don't work at all, unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that'd be sweet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28204591</id>
	<title>Re:A bad copy...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244039100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I say Lunix to make fanboys angry</p> </div><p>Why would misspelling a word make anyone but grammar fanboys angry?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I say Lunix to make fanboys angry Why would misspelling a word make anyone but grammar fanboys angry ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say Lunix to make fanboys angry Why would misspelling a word make anyone but grammar fanboys angry?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201567</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201575</id>
	<title>Is it just me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244024700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...or do both KDE and Gnome seem to be headed in the wrong direction so far as features go? KDE threw out a ton of useful features with the 4.x series and managed to screw up the file manager to boot (even Konquerer 4 isn't good compared to its predecessor). And now it seems Gnome's decided to throw its current GUI paradigm out the window for 3.x and replace it with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpndKUx4pc . At this rate, XFCE may end up being the only sane major DE left... then again, there's always LXDE, with a bit of polish, it'd do pretty well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...or do both KDE and Gnome seem to be headed in the wrong direction so far as features go ?
KDE threw out a ton of useful features with the 4.x series and managed to screw up the file manager to boot ( even Konquerer 4 is n't good compared to its predecessor ) .
And now it seems Gnome 's decided to throw its current GUI paradigm out the window for 3.x and replace it with this : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = kcpndKUx4pc .
At this rate , XFCE may end up being the only sane major DE left... then again , there 's always LXDE , with a bit of polish , it 'd do pretty well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or do both KDE and Gnome seem to be headed in the wrong direction so far as features go?
KDE threw out a ton of useful features with the 4.x series and managed to screw up the file manager to boot (even Konquerer 4 isn't good compared to its predecessor).
And now it seems Gnome's decided to throw its current GUI paradigm out the window for 3.x and replace it with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpndKUx4pc .
At this rate, XFCE may end up being the only sane major DE left... then again, there's always LXDE, with a bit of polish, it'd do pretty well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28205967</id>
	<title>The same old question applies ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244053380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... as versions go by<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>
How does this version compares to v3.5.10 as far as features and stability?<br>
I'm still waiting to replace my ol' KDE v3 without harming my everyday work!</htmltext>
<tokenext>... as versions go by .. . How does this version compares to v3.5.10 as far as features and stability ?
I 'm still waiting to replace my ol ' KDE v3 without harming my everyday work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... as versions go by ...
How does this version compares to v3.5.10 as far as features and stability?
I'm still waiting to replace my ol' KDE v3 without harming my everyday work!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202301</id>
	<title>Re:BSD?</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1244027040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Regardless of what section it is filed under, it's also worth noting that KDE 4.x runs on Windows too. I'm not quite ready to suggest replacing WIndows Explorer entirely, but the apps and even the desktop work pretty well. That said, I would never have heard of KDE without trying Linux...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Regardless of what section it is filed under , it 's also worth noting that KDE 4.x runs on Windows too .
I 'm not quite ready to suggest replacing WIndows Explorer entirely , but the apps and even the desktop work pretty well .
That said , I would never have heard of KDE without trying Linux.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regardless of what section it is filed under, it's also worth noting that KDE 4.x runs on Windows too.
I'm not quite ready to suggest replacing WIndows Explorer entirely, but the apps and even the desktop work pretty well.
That said, I would never have heard of KDE without trying Linux...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28200921</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201727</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>yet-another-lobbyist</author>
	<datestamp>1244025240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently, there is a backport to KDE3: <br>
<a href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty" title="kubuntu.org" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty</a> [kubuntu.org] <br>
I haven't tried it, though. <br>
I was VERY frustrated with KDE 4.0 and KDE 4.1, and I was very much in need for a kubuntu KDE3 backport, especially as my new Dell E6400 needed a kernel &gt; 2.6.26 to have all the hardware supported, so going with kubuntu 8.04 (the last with an official KDE3 support) was not an option for me. However, I am now a very happy KDE4 user. For my needs, it has already surpassed KDE 3 in terms of feature richness by a significant margin. And it runs extremely well and stable for me. Therefore this backport came too late for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently , there is a backport to KDE3 : https : //wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty [ kubuntu.org ] I have n't tried it , though .
I was VERY frustrated with KDE 4.0 and KDE 4.1 , and I was very much in need for a kubuntu KDE3 backport , especially as my new Dell E6400 needed a kernel &gt; 2.6.26 to have all the hardware supported , so going with kubuntu 8.04 ( the last with an official KDE3 support ) was not an option for me .
However , I am now a very happy KDE4 user .
For my needs , it has already surpassed KDE 3 in terms of feature richness by a significant margin .
And it runs extremely well and stable for me .
Therefore this backport came too late for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently, there is a backport to KDE3: 
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty [kubuntu.org] 
I haven't tried it, though.
I was VERY frustrated with KDE 4.0 and KDE 4.1, and I was very much in need for a kubuntu KDE3 backport, especially as my new Dell E6400 needed a kernel &gt; 2.6.26 to have all the hardware supported, so going with kubuntu 8.04 (the last with an official KDE3 support) was not an option for me.
However, I am now a very happy KDE4 user.
For my needs, it has already surpassed KDE 3 in terms of feature richness by a significant margin.
And it runs extremely well and stable for me.
Therefore this backport came too late for me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201541</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202235</id>
	<title>Re:The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244026860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.</p></div><p>Ah... you do not know that Android is powered by that same "standard Linux" OS than desktop systems. It just includes few modifications so it would not run straight all linux binaries.</p><p>It is just stupid to say that Android ain't Linux.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.Ah... you do not know that Android is powered by that same " standard Linux " OS than desktop systems .
It just includes few modifications so it would not run straight all linux binaries.It is just stupid to say that Android ai n't Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.Ah... you do not know that Android is powered by that same "standard Linux" OS than desktop systems.
It just includes few modifications so it would not run straight all linux binaries.It is just stupid to say that Android ain't Linux.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201857</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28228331</id>
	<title>Re:Still f*cked Up</title>
	<author>djseomun</author>
	<datestamp>1244201580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I run KDE 4.2.3 with Intel 965GM integrated graphics. arandr allows me to easily configure a dual monitor setup: 14.1" laptop LCD @ 1280x800 + 23.6" TN LCD @ 1920x1080.

It works (almost) perfectly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I run KDE 4.2.3 with Intel 965GM integrated graphics .
arandr allows me to easily configure a dual monitor setup : 14.1 " laptop LCD @ 1280x800 + 23.6 " TN LCD @ 1920x1080 .
It works ( almost ) perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run KDE 4.2.3 with Intel 965GM integrated graphics.
arandr allows me to easily configure a dual monitor setup: 14.1" laptop LCD @ 1280x800 + 23.6" TN LCD @ 1920x1080.
It works (almost) perfectly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206543</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28216837</id>
	<title>I have KDE4.2.2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244120160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as part of Kubuntu Jaunty running on my 900MHz netbook right now. No serious issues. I'm looking forward to running it on my Debian desktop machine.</p><p>The problem versions of KDE4 are pre-KDE4.2. 4.2+ is ready for prime-time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as part of Kubuntu Jaunty running on my 900MHz netbook right now .
No serious issues .
I 'm looking forward to running it on my Debian desktop machine.The problem versions of KDE4 are pre-KDE4.2 .
4.2 + is ready for prime-time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as part of Kubuntu Jaunty running on my 900MHz netbook right now.
No serious issues.
I'm looking forward to running it on my Debian desktop machine.The problem versions of KDE4 are pre-KDE4.2.
4.2+ is ready for prime-time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201541</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28207627</id>
	<title>Re:The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux</title>
	<author>Insanity Defense</author>
	<datestamp>1244120460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>
Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
All things that come as part of the OS should work the same right?  Like when I choose to close IE and I use Alt-F followed by C to close it and Wordpad I use Alt-F followed by X?  Exactly the same right?  A truly consistent user interface from the "Masters" of interface design.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system .
All things that come as part of the OS should work the same right ?
Like when I choose to close IE and I use Alt-F followed by C to close it and Wordpad I use Alt-F followed by X ?
Exactly the same right ?
A truly consistent user interface from the " Masters " of interface design .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.
All things that come as part of the OS should work the same right?
Like when I choose to close IE and I use Alt-F followed by C to close it and Wordpad I use Alt-F followed by X?
Exactly the same right?
A truly consistent user interface from the "Masters" of interface design.

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201857</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201857</id>
	<title>The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244025600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.</p><p>So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense. Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.</p><p>And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbeliever to the 'wonder that is Linux on the desktop'</p><p>And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense .
Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbeliever to the 'wonder that is Linux on the desktop'And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense.
Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbeliever to the 'wonder that is Linux on the desktop'And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201567</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28204427</id>
	<title>Re:The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244037780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must still be in school to think the real corporate world is comprised of teams pulling for the same goal. Managers have opinions, agendas, budgets to grow, personal aspirations and animosities. It's hardly an atmosphere guaranteeing the best possible solution to a problem. Can you say 'Vista'? Or 'GM'? I find the XP desktop almost intolerable, though great perhaps for the lowest common denominator user it targets. Lucky you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must still be in school to think the real corporate world is comprised of teams pulling for the same goal .
Managers have opinions , agendas , budgets to grow , personal aspirations and animosities .
It 's hardly an atmosphere guaranteeing the best possible solution to a problem .
Can you say 'Vista ' ?
Or 'GM ' ?
I find the XP desktop almost intolerable , though great perhaps for the lowest common denominator user it targets .
Lucky you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must still be in school to think the real corporate world is comprised of teams pulling for the same goal.
Managers have opinions, agendas, budgets to grow, personal aspirations and animosities.
It's hardly an atmosphere guaranteeing the best possible solution to a problem.
Can you say 'Vista'?
Or 'GM'?
I find the XP desktop almost intolerable, though great perhaps for the lowest common denominator user it targets.
Lucky you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201857</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206577</id>
	<title>Re:I just tried KDE 4.1</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1244106000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right, 4.0 was the tech preview -- the alpha.</p><p>4.1 was maybe beta quality</p><p>4.2 might count as a release candidate, but with no WPA, it sure as hell wasn't a release.</p><p>4.3 looks promising. But so did 4.0, 4.1, and 4.2.</p><p>These people really need to grow up and start calling them betas -- or take a clue from Linux, establish an obvious convention (odd numbers are unstable; don't use 2.5 until we release it as 2.6), stick to it, and clearly label it a Developer Preview.</p><p>I'm really starting to wonder if they'll make it to the level of functionality 3.5 had by the time they hit 4.5.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right , 4.0 was the tech preview -- the alpha.4.1 was maybe beta quality4.2 might count as a release candidate , but with no WPA , it sure as hell was n't a release.4.3 looks promising .
But so did 4.0 , 4.1 , and 4.2.These people really need to grow up and start calling them betas -- or take a clue from Linux , establish an obvious convention ( odd numbers are unstable ; do n't use 2.5 until we release it as 2.6 ) , stick to it , and clearly label it a Developer Preview.I 'm really starting to wonder if they 'll make it to the level of functionality 3.5 had by the time they hit 4.5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right, 4.0 was the tech preview -- the alpha.4.1 was maybe beta quality4.2 might count as a release candidate, but with no WPA, it sure as hell wasn't a release.4.3 looks promising.
But so did 4.0, 4.1, and 4.2.These people really need to grow up and start calling them betas -- or take a clue from Linux, establish an obvious convention (odd numbers are unstable; don't use 2.5 until we release it as 2.6), stick to it, and clearly label it a Developer Preview.I'm really starting to wonder if they'll make it to the level of functionality 3.5 had by the time they hit 4.5.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28205089</id>
	<title>Bad idea!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244043420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried KDE4.1 and it gave me AIDS. Luckily I bought <a href="http://www.birkoph.com/Wolf\_tshirt.htm" title="birkoph.com" rel="nofollow">this wolf t-shirt</a> [birkoph.com], which cured me, and KDE4.2 doesn't contain any sexually transmitted diseases. Which is nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried KDE4.1 and it gave me AIDS .
Luckily I bought this wolf t-shirt [ birkoph.com ] , which cured me , and KDE4.2 does n't contain any sexually transmitted diseases .
Which is nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried KDE4.1 and it gave me AIDS.
Luckily I bought this wolf t-shirt [birkoph.com], which cured me, and KDE4.2 doesn't contain any sexually transmitted diseases.
Which is nice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201805</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28221239</id>
	<title>Re:A bad copy...</title>
	<author>csartanis</author>
	<datestamp>1244211360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, saying Lunix makes you sound childish and speaks more about your personality than anything else in your post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , saying Lunix makes you sound childish and speaks more about your personality than anything else in your post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, saying Lunix makes you sound childish and speaks more about your personality than anything else in your post.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201567</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206201</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244057880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I gave KDE4.1 a try out and like you I found it not ready for serious use.
<p>However I am presently running Debian Testing and they went to KDE4.2 a couple of weeks ago, and it is very smooth. In fact I am delighted and I am finding it much better.</p><p> I am in the midst of completing my hons. degree project and KDE4.2 is helping me a lot especially using Okular to work with pdf files.</p><p>Sig version 4.2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I gave KDE4.1 a try out and like you I found it not ready for serious use .
However I am presently running Debian Testing and they went to KDE4.2 a couple of weeks ago , and it is very smooth .
In fact I am delighted and I am finding it much better .
I am in the midst of completing my hons .
degree project and KDE4.2 is helping me a lot especially using Okular to work with pdf files.Sig version 4.2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I gave KDE4.1 a try out and like you I found it not ready for serious use.
However I am presently running Debian Testing and they went to KDE4.2 a couple of weeks ago, and it is very smooth.
In fact I am delighted and I am finding it much better.
I am in the midst of completing my hons.
degree project and KDE4.2 is helping me a lot especially using Okular to work with pdf files.Sig version 4.2</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201541</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201805</id>
	<title>I just tried KDE 4.1</title>
	<author>caluml</author>
	<datestamp>1244025480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is quite interesting, as I just 2 days ago install kubuntu-desktop from my 8.10 Ubuntu laptop (Acer 5720).<br>
<br>
It looks fine, after you've removed the stupid Postit notes on the screen, and Konqueror as the browser, etc, etc. But it runs like a dog. I can't even play a vid in mplayer without the sound and video skipping, whereas it's fine in Gnome. xorg process runs at 40-60\% in KDE 4.1. Apparently, other people have problems with the Intel graphics card that I've got and KDE.<br>
<br>
Verdict: Looks nice, but runs too slowly. Shame cos I have always liked KDE &lt; 4. Aah well, I'll try it again in a year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is quite interesting , as I just 2 days ago install kubuntu-desktop from my 8.10 Ubuntu laptop ( Acer 5720 ) .
It looks fine , after you 've removed the stupid Postit notes on the screen , and Konqueror as the browser , etc , etc .
But it runs like a dog .
I ca n't even play a vid in mplayer without the sound and video skipping , whereas it 's fine in Gnome .
xorg process runs at 40-60 \ % in KDE 4.1 .
Apparently , other people have problems with the Intel graphics card that I 've got and KDE .
Verdict : Looks nice , but runs too slowly .
Shame cos I have always liked KDE &lt; 4 .
Aah well , I 'll try it again in a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is quite interesting, as I just 2 days ago install kubuntu-desktop from my 8.10 Ubuntu laptop (Acer 5720).
It looks fine, after you've removed the stupid Postit notes on the screen, and Konqueror as the browser, etc, etc.
But it runs like a dog.
I can't even play a vid in mplayer without the sound and video skipping, whereas it's fine in Gnome.
xorg process runs at 40-60\% in KDE 4.1.
Apparently, other people have problems with the Intel graphics card that I've got and KDE.
Verdict: Looks nice, but runs too slowly.
Shame cos I have always liked KDE &lt; 4.
Aah well, I'll try it again in a year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28200921</id>
	<title>BSD?</title>
	<author>hackel</author>
	<datestamp>1244022360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't know KDE was a BSD project now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't know KDE was a BSD project now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't know KDE was a BSD project now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28205537</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>PouletFou</author>
	<datestamp>1244048040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can you specify what in KDE 4.2 doesn't work at all?
I've been a KDE user for years, kept KDE 3.5 on my laptop while switching to gnome on the desktop until kubuntu 9.04 and I honestly find KDE 4.2.2 very impressive and efficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you specify what in KDE 4.2 does n't work at all ?
I 've been a KDE user for years , kept KDE 3.5 on my laptop while switching to gnome on the desktop until kubuntu 9.04 and I honestly find KDE 4.2.2 very impressive and efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you specify what in KDE 4.2 doesn't work at all?
I've been a KDE user for years, kept KDE 3.5 on my laptop while switching to gnome on the desktop until kubuntu 9.04 and I honestly find KDE 4.2.2 very impressive and efficient.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201767</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>oracleguy01</author>
	<datestamp>1244025360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty" title="kubuntu.org" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty</a> [kubuntu.org]

<p>This looks like it has what you are looking for. There are even instructions on how to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 and keep KDE 3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty [ kubuntu.org ] This looks like it has what you are looking for .
There are even instructions on how to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 and keep KDE 3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty [kubuntu.org]

This looks like it has what you are looking for.
There are even instructions on how to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 and keep KDE 3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28211515</id>
	<title>Re:I just tried KDE 4.1</title>
	<author>rubycodez</author>
	<datestamp>1244138100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but 4.2 still has a long list of problems, it's a second beta release and I'll hold off until 4.3 or later, thanks much.  In the meantime, sticking with the GNOME after ditching that 4.1 shit, KDE went from polished to unstable crap</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but 4.2 still has a long list of problems , it 's a second beta release and I 'll hold off until 4.3 or later , thanks much .
In the meantime , sticking with the GNOME after ditching that 4.1 shit , KDE went from polished to unstable crap</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but 4.2 still has a long list of problems, it's a second beta release and I'll hold off until 4.3 or later, thanks much.
In the meantime, sticking with the GNOME after ditching that 4.1 shit, KDE went from polished to unstable crap</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201987</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>Tadu</author>
	<datestamp>1244025960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, why not go with the KDE 3 beta 1 port for jaunty?<blockquote><div><p>deb <a href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu</a> [launchpad.net] jaunty main</p></div></blockquote><p>

Essentially, it shows progress on all itches I had with 4.2 -- the weather applet, kdelirc being ported, the CPU/mem/swap applet being readded. Now only the device notifier needs to be revamped, and konqi should learn that double click means to mark words and not some random part of the line... (Yes, there are some crashes. Sometimes. So? At least it provides the functionality I need.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , why not go with the KDE 3 beta 1 port for jaunty ? deb http : //ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu [ launchpad.net ] jaunty main Essentially , it shows progress on all itches I had with 4.2 -- the weather applet , kdelirc being ported , the CPU/mem/swap applet being readded .
Now only the device notifier needs to be revamped , and konqi should learn that double click means to mark words and not some random part of the line... ( Yes , there are some crashes .
Sometimes. So ?
At least it provides the functionality I need .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, why not go with the KDE 3 beta 1 port for jaunty?deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu [launchpad.net] jaunty main

Essentially, it shows progress on all itches I had with 4.2 -- the weather applet, kdelirc being ported, the CPU/mem/swap applet being readded.
Now only the device notifier needs to be revamped, and konqi should learn that double click means to mark words and not some random part of the line... (Yes, there are some crashes.
Sometimes. So?
At least it provides the functionality I need.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201541</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28260657</id>
	<title>Re:Still f*cked Up</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1244475900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>After 3 try (4.0. 4.1 4.2) I still not be able to work with dual monitors.</i></p><p>I'm using these under Fedora 10:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of LVDS --auto --output LVDS --auto</p><p>and Fedora 11:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; xrandr --output DVI-I\_1/digital --left-of PANEL --auto --output PANEL --auto</p><p>I put a link under ~/.kde/Autostart so it fires off on login.</p><p>My xorg.conf requires a virtual super-display definition to stack the displays next to each other:</p><p>Section "Screen"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Identifier "Screen0"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Device     "Videocard0"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Monitor    "Monitor0"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DefaultDepth     24<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SubSection "Display"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Viewport   0 0<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Depth     24<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Virtual 3360 1200<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; EndSubSection<br>EndSection</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After 3 try ( 4.0 .
4.1 4.2 ) I still not be able to work with dual monitors.I 'm using these under Fedora 10 :     xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of LVDS --auto --output LVDS --autoand Fedora 11 :     xrandr --output DVI-I \ _1/digital --left-of PANEL --auto --output PANEL --autoI put a link under ~ /.kde/Autostart so it fires off on login.My xorg.conf requires a virtual super-display definition to stack the displays next to each other : Section " Screen "                 Identifier " Screen0 "                 Device " Videocard0 "                 Monitor " Monitor0 "                 DefaultDepth 24                 SubSection " Display "                                 Viewport 0 0                                 Depth 24                                 Virtual 3360 1200                 EndSubSectionEndSection</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After 3 try (4.0.
4.1 4.2) I still not be able to work with dual monitors.I'm using these under Fedora 10:
    xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of LVDS --auto --output LVDS --autoand Fedora 11:
    xrandr --output DVI-I\_1/digital --left-of PANEL --auto --output PANEL --autoI put a link under ~/.kde/Autostart so it fires off on login.My xorg.conf requires a virtual super-display definition to stack the displays next to each other:Section "Screen"
                Identifier "Screen0"
                Device     "Videocard0"
                Monitor    "Monitor0"
                DefaultDepth     24
                SubSection "Display"
                                Viewport   0 0
                                Depth     24
                                Virtual 3360 1200
                EndSubSectionEndSection</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206501</id>
	<title>Re:The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1244148480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.</p></div><p>No such single controlling entity exists which enforces a consistent UI over any desktop system.</p><p>Play with Windows for a bit. There's the standard way you're supposed to do things, and then there's the IE7/8 way, and then there's the Office "Ribbon" way (which is implemented several ways in several different apps), and then there's the iTunes "let's make it look OSX-y" way...</p><p>Or OS X. Mac users seem to be under some really weird illusion that X programs make the system inconsistent, when even among recent apps, you have one aqua-ish look, and one chrome/steel-ish look.</p><p>I could go on...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense. Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.</p></div><p>A mess which somehow works everywhere else, but when it comes to Desktop Linux, <i>this</i> is the reason people ditch it.</p><p>Not lack of drivers. Not lack of application support. Not lack of vendor support, or of preinstalled options. Not sheer FUD about new things.</p><p>No, it's the lack of a consistent UI that's the problem.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbeliever</p></div><p>Or as someone who brings up a tired old troll which has been discounted time and time again.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks</p></div><p>"Exploding"? Really?</p><p>How's it doing compared to the iPhone?</p><p>No, Android has exactly the same "controlling authority" as everything else. That is, it doesn't -- as soon as you install a third-party app, you get whatever you get.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.</p></div><p>Desktop Linux was ever in a position to be "whipped out of the market" by Microsoft? News to me.</p><p>No, Microsoft has always dominated the desktop market. Linux and OS X both seem to be growing lately, but not fast enough to make a real dent.</p><p>But at the moment, Microsoft dominates the market mostly because Microsoft dominates the market.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.No such single controlling entity exists which enforces a consistent UI over any desktop system.Play with Windows for a bit .
There 's the standard way you 're supposed to do things , and then there 's the IE7/8 way , and then there 's the Office " Ribbon " way ( which is implemented several ways in several different apps ) , and then there 's the iTunes " let 's make it look OSX-y " way...Or OS X. Mac users seem to be under some really weird illusion that X programs make the system inconsistent , when even among recent apps , you have one aqua-ish look , and one chrome/steel-ish look.I could go on...So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense .
Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.A mess which somehow works everywhere else , but when it comes to Desktop Linux , this is the reason people ditch it.Not lack of drivers .
Not lack of application support .
Not lack of vendor support , or of preinstalled options .
Not sheer FUD about new things.No , it 's the lack of a consistent UI that 's the problem.And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbelieverOr as someone who brings up a tired old troll which has been discounted time and time again.And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks " Exploding " ?
Really ? How 's it doing compared to the iPhone ? No , Android has exactly the same " controlling authority " as everything else .
That is , it does n't -- as soon as you install a third-party app , you get whatever you get.while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.Desktop Linux was ever in a position to be " whipped out of the market " by Microsoft ?
News to me.No , Microsoft has always dominated the desktop market .
Linux and OS X both seem to be growing lately , but not fast enough to make a real dent.But at the moment , Microsoft dominates the market mostly because Microsoft dominates the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.No such single controlling entity exists which enforces a consistent UI over any desktop system.Play with Windows for a bit.
There's the standard way you're supposed to do things, and then there's the IE7/8 way, and then there's the Office "Ribbon" way (which is implemented several ways in several different apps), and then there's the iTunes "let's make it look OSX-y" way...Or OS X. Mac users seem to be under some really weird illusion that X programs make the system inconsistent, when even among recent apps, you have one aqua-ish look, and one chrome/steel-ish look.I could go on...So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense.
Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.A mess which somehow works everywhere else, but when it comes to Desktop Linux, this is the reason people ditch it.Not lack of drivers.
Not lack of application support.
Not lack of vendor support, or of preinstalled options.
Not sheer FUD about new things.No, it's the lack of a consistent UI that's the problem.And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbelieverOr as someone who brings up a tired old troll which has been discounted time and time again.And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks"Exploding"?
Really?How's it doing compared to the iPhone?No, Android has exactly the same "controlling authority" as everything else.
That is, it doesn't -- as soon as you install a third-party app, you get whatever you get.while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.Desktop Linux was ever in a position to be "whipped out of the market" by Microsoft?
News to me.No, Microsoft has always dominated the desktop market.
Linux and OS X both seem to be growing lately, but not fast enough to make a real dent.But at the moment, Microsoft dominates the market mostly because Microsoft dominates the market.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201989</id>
	<title>How about KDE 4.3?</title>
	<author>yet-another-lobbyist</author>
	<datestamp>1244025960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... this is the end of the KDE 4.2 line, which means for distros based on long-term support, it might be the thing to get used to for a while. " <br> <br>


Are you expecting KDE 4.3 to be so buggy that it is going to be uninteresting for long term support projects? In the past, there were huge leaps of progress from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1 to KDE 4.2!</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ... this is the end of the KDE 4.2 line , which means for distros based on long-term support , it might be the thing to get used to for a while .
" Are you expecting KDE 4.3 to be so buggy that it is going to be uninteresting for long term support projects ?
In the past , there were huge leaps of progress from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1 to KDE 4.2 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" ... this is the end of the KDE 4.2 line, which means for distros based on long-term support, it might be the thing to get used to for a while.
"  


Are you expecting KDE 4.3 to be so buggy that it is going to be uninteresting for long term support projects?
In the past, there were huge leaps of progress from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1 to KDE 4.2!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202161</id>
	<title>I'll switch to KDE 4.x when Debian stable has it.</title>
	<author>pecosdave</author>
	<datestamp>1244026620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I know I can <a href="http://kde4.debian.net/" title="debian.net">use the backport</a> [debian.net], but forget it, last time I messed with KDE 4 (on Kubuntu) I found it was still lacking in a lot of really cool utilities KDE 3.x had and I'm just to lazy to recompile all the 3.x versions onto 4 myself.  I guess I really have lost some drive as I've gotten older, I'll let someone else do it for me, and when they do I'll use it, and until the 3.5x is good enough.</p><p>BTW - kaudiocreator was near the top of that list, that was a stupid easy and useful program.  Yes, I can do it other ways, and did for a while, but I kind of liked that one.  Oddly, the change in interface was fine, I liked it, KDE4.x and I can get along fine, as soon as the utilities catch up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I know I can use the backport [ debian.net ] , but forget it , last time I messed with KDE 4 ( on Kubuntu ) I found it was still lacking in a lot of really cool utilities KDE 3.x had and I 'm just to lazy to recompile all the 3.x versions onto 4 myself .
I guess I really have lost some drive as I 've gotten older , I 'll let someone else do it for me , and when they do I 'll use it , and until the 3.5x is good enough.BTW - kaudiocreator was near the top of that list , that was a stupid easy and useful program .
Yes , I can do it other ways , and did for a while , but I kind of liked that one .
Oddly , the change in interface was fine , I liked it , KDE4.x and I can get along fine , as soon as the utilities catch up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I know I can use the backport [debian.net], but forget it, last time I messed with KDE 4 (on Kubuntu) I found it was still lacking in a lot of really cool utilities KDE 3.x had and I'm just to lazy to recompile all the 3.x versions onto 4 myself.
I guess I really have lost some drive as I've gotten older, I'll let someone else do it for me, and when they do I'll use it, and until the 3.5x is good enough.BTW - kaudiocreator was near the top of that list, that was a stupid easy and useful program.
Yes, I can do it other ways, and did for a while, but I kind of liked that one.
Oddly, the change in interface was fine, I liked it, KDE4.x and I can get along fine, as soon as the utilities catch up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206837</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>Ruie</author>
	<datestamp>1244109240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>KDE 4.2 is usable, but not perfectly.<p>
No kprinter, does not see my shared cups printer (previous version worked ok), dolphin instead of konqueror, middle click is broken in konqueror when browsing files (used to open in a standlane application), no kasbar, start menu does not add newly installed programs without restart.</p><p>
This is on a system that I only use occasionally.</p><p>
Good work, but it is not 3.5 yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>KDE 4.2 is usable , but not perfectly .
No kprinter , does not see my shared cups printer ( previous version worked ok ) , dolphin instead of konqueror , middle click is broken in konqueror when browsing files ( used to open in a standlane application ) , no kasbar , start menu does not add newly installed programs without restart .
This is on a system that I only use occasionally .
Good work , but it is not 3.5 yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KDE 4.2 is usable, but not perfectly.
No kprinter, does not see my shared cups printer (previous version worked ok), dolphin instead of konqueror, middle click is broken in konqueror when browsing files (used to open in a standlane application), no kasbar, start menu does not add newly installed programs without restart.
This is on a system that I only use occasionally.
Good work, but it is not 3.5 yet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202339</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28205903</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>pseudonomous</author>
	<datestamp>1244052660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I would have to say the best KDE experiance I had was with the old kde3 based kdemod on Arch Linux.&nbsp; But the KDE4 based kdemod was pretty nice too.<br><br>Unfortunately, thanks to how much ATI graphics drivers suck, I'm on Kubuntu right now, and 9.04 seems to actually be fairly good.<br><br>I must say, I really like the "screen-profiles" package they shipped (of course this wasn't kde specific),&nbsp; on the other hand, memory usage is through the roof, like 2500 M with firefox (4 tabs) + kmail + Amarok + Whatever automatically starts up after KDE login.&nbsp; Luckily, on my desktop I've gone tons of memory, but there's no way I could use Kubuntu on the netbook which I ordered from Dell a while ago (it's taking a ridulous amount of time to ship<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. oh well)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so actually:<br><br>- Does anybody know of a good netbook-oriented distro that is KDE-centric?<br>- How about XFCE-centric? (XFCE is my fallback for systems that can't handle KDE, I actually like the new 4.6 quite a bit)<br><br>If not I guess I can get used to GNOME again.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have to say the best KDE experiance I had was with the old kde3 based kdemod on Arch Linux.   But the KDE4 based kdemod was pretty nice too.Unfortunately , thanks to how much ATI graphics drivers suck , I 'm on Kubuntu right now , and 9.04 seems to actually be fairly good.I must say , I really like the " screen-profiles " package they shipped ( of course this was n't kde specific ) ,   on the other hand , memory usage is through the roof , like 2500 M with firefox ( 4 tabs ) + kmail + Amarok + Whatever automatically starts up after KDE login.   Luckily , on my desktop I 've gone tons of memory , but there 's no way I could use Kubuntu on the netbook which I ordered from Dell a while ago ( it 's taking a ridulous amount of time to ship .. oh well ) ... so actually : - Does anybody know of a good netbook-oriented distro that is KDE-centric ? - How about XFCE-centric ?
( XFCE is my fallback for systems that ca n't handle KDE , I actually like the new 4.6 quite a bit ) If not I guess I can get used to GNOME again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have to say the best KDE experiance I had was with the old kde3 based kdemod on Arch Linux.  But the KDE4 based kdemod was pretty nice too.Unfortunately, thanks to how much ATI graphics drivers suck, I'm on Kubuntu right now, and 9.04 seems to actually be fairly good.I must say, I really like the "screen-profiles" package they shipped (of course this wasn't kde specific),  on the other hand, memory usage is through the roof, like 2500 M with firefox (4 tabs) + kmail + Amarok + Whatever automatically starts up after KDE login.  Luckily, on my desktop I've gone tons of memory, but there's no way I could use Kubuntu on the netbook which I ordered from Dell a while ago (it's taking a ridulous amount of time to ship .. oh well) ... so actually:- Does anybody know of a good netbook-oriented distro that is KDE-centric?- How about XFCE-centric?
(XFCE is my fallback for systems that can't handle KDE, I actually like the new 4.6 quite a bit)If not I guess I can get used to GNOME again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28203483</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28205535</id>
	<title>Re:Is it just me...</title>
	<author>Homburg</author>
	<datestamp>1244047980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GNOME isn't "throwing it's current GUI paradigm out of the window for 3.x"; the slogan is "GNOME 3.0 = GNOME 2.30"; that is, more of an incremental improvement than a radical change. Indeed, the big target for GNOME 3.0 seems to be cleaning up the use of various deprecated parts of the API (like the bonobo component system). GNOME Shell, from your youtube link, is an interesting integration of the window manager and the window switcher, but I don't know that it counts as a completely new GUI paradigm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GNOME is n't " throwing it 's current GUI paradigm out of the window for 3.x " ; the slogan is " GNOME 3.0 = GNOME 2.30 " ; that is , more of an incremental improvement than a radical change .
Indeed , the big target for GNOME 3.0 seems to be cleaning up the use of various deprecated parts of the API ( like the bonobo component system ) .
GNOME Shell , from your youtube link , is an interesting integration of the window manager and the window switcher , but I do n't know that it counts as a completely new GUI paradigm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GNOME isn't "throwing it's current GUI paradigm out of the window for 3.x"; the slogan is "GNOME 3.0 = GNOME 2.30"; that is, more of an incremental improvement than a radical change.
Indeed, the big target for GNOME 3.0 seems to be cleaning up the use of various deprecated parts of the API (like the bonobo component system).
GNOME Shell, from your youtube link, is an interesting integration of the window manager and the window switcher, but I don't know that it counts as a completely new GUI paradigm.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201575</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28220539</id>
	<title>...And Gnome goes to version 2.26!</title>
	<author>dsavi</author>
	<datestamp>1244206680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I pray that one day, the GNOME developers will realize that incremental change is extremely boring. I use GNOME, but seriously, I don't remember feeling much different about it two years ago. Two years ago KDE still had its plastic look, and now it's all glass and shiny stuff, what looks to the end user like they scrapped the entire code base and admitted "Ok that sucked, let's do something actually <i>appealing</i> this time". And it worked. And GNOME released another version, 2.2whatever, and nobody cared beyond the developers because nobody noticed a thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I pray that one day , the GNOME developers will realize that incremental change is extremely boring .
I use GNOME , but seriously , I do n't remember feeling much different about it two years ago .
Two years ago KDE still had its plastic look , and now it 's all glass and shiny stuff , what looks to the end user like they scrapped the entire code base and admitted " Ok that sucked , let 's do something actually appealing this time " .
And it worked .
And GNOME released another version , 2.2whatever , and nobody cared beyond the developers because nobody noticed a thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pray that one day, the GNOME developers will realize that incremental change is extremely boring.
I use GNOME, but seriously, I don't remember feeling much different about it two years ago.
Two years ago KDE still had its plastic look, and now it's all glass and shiny stuff, what looks to the end user like they scrapped the entire code base and admitted "Ok that sucked, let's do something actually appealing this time".
And it worked.
And GNOME released another version, 2.2whatever, and nobody cared beyond the developers because nobody noticed a thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206855</id>
	<title>What's wrong with that?</title>
	<author>backwardMechanic</author>
	<datestamp>1244109780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're running Deb stable, and want to use your computer rather than mess with it, that's exactly the right thing to do. Kinda why Debian stable was invented really.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're running Deb stable , and want to use your computer rather than mess with it , that 's exactly the right thing to do .
Kinda why Debian stable was invented really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're running Deb stable, and want to use your computer rather than mess with it, that's exactly the right thing to do.
Kinda why Debian stable was invented really.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202161</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206891</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244110140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I must say, I really like the "screen-profiles" package they shipped (of course this wasn't kde specific),  on the other hand, memory usage is through the roof, like 2500 M with firefox (4 tabs) + kmail + Amarok + Whatever automatically starts up after KDE login.  Luckily, on my desktop I've gone tons of memory, but there's no way I could use Kubuntu on the netbook which I ordered from Dell a while ago (it's taking a ridulous amount of time to ship<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. oh well)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so actually:</p></div><p>Surprise, you have tons of memory thats why KDE uses 2500M! It tries to make use of the free memory.</p><p>And with same applications , on my machine with 1GB RAM, it uses only around 500-600 MB.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I must say , I really like the " screen-profiles " package they shipped ( of course this was n't kde specific ) , on the other hand , memory usage is through the roof , like 2500 M with firefox ( 4 tabs ) + kmail + Amarok + Whatever automatically starts up after KDE login .
Luckily , on my desktop I 've gone tons of memory , but there 's no way I could use Kubuntu on the netbook which I ordered from Dell a while ago ( it 's taking a ridulous amount of time to ship .. oh well ) ... so actually : Surprise , you have tons of memory thats why KDE uses 2500M !
It tries to make use of the free memory.And with same applications , on my machine with 1GB RAM , it uses only around 500-600 MB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must say, I really like the "screen-profiles" package they shipped (of course this wasn't kde specific),  on the other hand, memory usage is through the roof, like 2500 M with firefox (4 tabs) + kmail + Amarok + Whatever automatically starts up after KDE login.
Luckily, on my desktop I've gone tons of memory, but there's no way I could use Kubuntu on the netbook which I ordered from Dell a while ago (it's taking a ridulous amount of time to ship .. oh well) ... so actually:Surprise, you have tons of memory thats why KDE uses 2500M!
It tries to make use of the free memory.And with same applications , on my machine with 1GB RAM, it uses only around 500-600 MB.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28205903</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206635</id>
	<title>Promising? Yes. Usable? not really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244106840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable.</p></div><p>You seem to have a different definition of usable than I do.
</p><ol> <li>
(s)ftp is broken in kde file browsers (dolphin, konqueror).  I can load the root directory listing, but not download any files or change directories.  Have to use filezilla or something.
</li><li>
Similarly, the integrated text editors will not save over an ftp connection.  Very annoying.
</li><li>
SMB shares: when you refresh on a passwordless windows share in Konqueror or Dolphin, you get an authentication failure that lasts for the session.
</li><li>
The fish plugin for ssh in konqueror seems broken, although I did not take the time to investigate so it might be a simple config error.
</li><li>
Network configuration does not work for wifi connections secured with WPA-EAP/TTLS encryption.  You have to edit the config by hand.
</li><li>
This is more of a gripe: klipper is truly black magic that I cannot for the life of me figure out.  Copy-Paste should not be this complicated.
</li></ol><p>
Except for number 3, this all works fine in KDE 3.5.  It all works fine in Gnome (same machine).<br> <br>
I like KDE4.2, it has a lot of really promising concepts.  I am a big fan of the plasma widget desktop.  I use it whenever possible, which is why I can actually tell you some of the bugs. But interesting concepts are not enough.  For a lot of my work, I simply have to log out and log into KDE 3.5 or Gnome. I am using KDE on two machines, one is debian and the other is kubuntu, so the problem might be in debian's packages.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable.You seem to have a different definition of usable than I do .
( s ) ftp is broken in kde file browsers ( dolphin , konqueror ) .
I can load the root directory listing , but not download any files or change directories .
Have to use filezilla or something .
Similarly , the integrated text editors will not save over an ftp connection .
Very annoying .
SMB shares : when you refresh on a passwordless windows share in Konqueror or Dolphin , you get an authentication failure that lasts for the session .
The fish plugin for ssh in konqueror seems broken , although I did not take the time to investigate so it might be a simple config error .
Network configuration does not work for wifi connections secured with WPA-EAP/TTLS encryption .
You have to edit the config by hand .
This is more of a gripe : klipper is truly black magic that I can not for the life of me figure out .
Copy-Paste should not be this complicated .
Except for number 3 , this all works fine in KDE 3.5 .
It all works fine in Gnome ( same machine ) .
I like KDE4.2 , it has a lot of really promising concepts .
I am a big fan of the plasma widget desktop .
I use it whenever possible , which is why I can actually tell you some of the bugs .
But interesting concepts are not enough .
For a lot of my work , I simply have to log out and log into KDE 3.5 or Gnome .
I am using KDE on two machines , one is debian and the other is kubuntu , so the problem might be in debian 's packages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable.You seem to have a different definition of usable than I do.
(s)ftp is broken in kde file browsers (dolphin, konqueror).
I can load the root directory listing, but not download any files or change directories.
Have to use filezilla or something.
Similarly, the integrated text editors will not save over an ftp connection.
Very annoying.
SMB shares: when you refresh on a passwordless windows share in Konqueror or Dolphin, you get an authentication failure that lasts for the session.
The fish plugin for ssh in konqueror seems broken, although I did not take the time to investigate so it might be a simple config error.
Network configuration does not work for wifi connections secured with WPA-EAP/TTLS encryption.
You have to edit the config by hand.
This is more of a gripe: klipper is truly black magic that I cannot for the life of me figure out.
Copy-Paste should not be this complicated.
Except for number 3, this all works fine in KDE 3.5.
It all works fine in Gnome (same machine).
I like KDE4.2, it has a lot of really promising concepts.
I am a big fan of the plasma widget desktop.
I use it whenever possible, which is why I can actually tell you some of the bugs.
But interesting concepts are not enough.
For a lot of my work, I simply have to log out and log into KDE 3.5 or Gnome.
I am using KDE on two machines, one is debian and the other is kubuntu, so the problem might be in debian's packages.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202339</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28203805</id>
	<title>Is Konsole fixed or forever broken?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244033520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is Konsole finally able to remember custom profile menu visibility settings again?  It's not fun checking the 'Show in Menu' checkbox for all of my profiles every time I boot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is Konsole finally able to remember custom profile menu visibility settings again ?
It 's not fun checking the 'Show in Menu ' checkbox for all of my profiles every time I boot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is Konsole finally able to remember custom profile menu visibility settings again?
It's not fun checking the 'Show in Menu' checkbox for all of my profiles every time I boot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28207621</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>andr386</author>
	<datestamp>1244120340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>KDE 4.2 in Manrdriva can work really well. It's a very enjoyable DE and it's a world appart from KDE 4.2 in Kubuntu.

Kubuntu 8.04 was something coming from hell, I felt like s.b. did a bad joke to me. Windows 98 was a monument of stability compared to it. ON MY HARDWARE, it failed completely.

But, since I used to love KDE, I decided to try it in a distro that implements it correctly "Mandriva" or "Suse".  Since Mandriva was the most recent released distro I picked that one and I was amazed. I learned to love KDE 3.5 and got really used to it. And of course it's not yet the perfect.

But really I have no issue working with KDE 4.2, everything works for me. I think the community needs give a fresh look at KDE in distro where it works well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>KDE 4.2 in Manrdriva can work really well .
It 's a very enjoyable DE and it 's a world appart from KDE 4.2 in Kubuntu .
Kubuntu 8.04 was something coming from hell , I felt like s.b .
did a bad joke to me .
Windows 98 was a monument of stability compared to it .
ON MY HARDWARE , it failed completely .
But , since I used to love KDE , I decided to try it in a distro that implements it correctly " Mandriva " or " Suse " .
Since Mandriva was the most recent released distro I picked that one and I was amazed .
I learned to love KDE 3.5 and got really used to it .
And of course it 's not yet the perfect .
But really I have no issue working with KDE 4.2 , everything works for me .
I think the community needs give a fresh look at KDE in distro where it works well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KDE 4.2 in Manrdriva can work really well.
It's a very enjoyable DE and it's a world appart from KDE 4.2 in Kubuntu.
Kubuntu 8.04 was something coming from hell, I felt like s.b.
did a bad joke to me.
Windows 98 was a monument of stability compared to it.
ON MY HARDWARE, it failed completely.
But, since I used to love KDE, I decided to try it in a distro that implements it correctly "Mandriva" or "Suse".
Since Mandriva was the most recent released distro I picked that one and I was amazed.
I learned to love KDE 3.5 and got really used to it.
And of course it's not yet the perfect.
But really I have no issue working with KDE 4.2, everything works for me.
I think the community needs give a fresh look at KDE in distro where it works well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28203483</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202373</id>
	<title>Re:A bad copy...</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1244027340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$3.00 per month for Windows + $3.00 per month for antivirus + $6.00 per month for office suite + $18.00 per month for enterprise-quality image/illustration editing suite adds up quickly. Linux gives you all that and more for free - or for $3.00 per month (by your metric) if you buy the distro to support its continued development/maintenance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 3.00 per month for Windows + $ 3.00 per month for antivirus + $ 6.00 per month for office suite + $ 18.00 per month for enterprise-quality image/illustration editing suite adds up quickly .
Linux gives you all that and more for free - or for $ 3.00 per month ( by your metric ) if you buy the distro to support its continued development/maintenance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$3.00 per month for Windows + $3.00 per month for antivirus + $6.00 per month for office suite + $18.00 per month for enterprise-quality image/illustration editing suite adds up quickly.
Linux gives you all that and more for free - or for $3.00 per month (by your metric) if you buy the distro to support its continued development/maintenance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201567</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28203483</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>BatsShadow2</author>
	<datestamp>1244031960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth, but the newer ones don't work at all, unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that'd be sweet.</p></div><p>I can't claim that KDE 4.2 actually works, but I do know that Kubuntu is an atrocious implementation of KDE.  I've been considering giving another distro a chance to try out KDE4, maybe SUSE or Mandriva.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth , but the newer ones do n't work at all , unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that 'd be sweet.I ca n't claim that KDE 4.2 actually works , but I do know that Kubuntu is an atrocious implementation of KDE .
I 've been considering giving another distro a chance to try out KDE4 , maybe SUSE or Mandriva .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth, but the newer ones don't work at all, unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that'd be sweet.I can't claim that KDE 4.2 actually works, but I do know that Kubuntu is an atrocious implementation of KDE.
I've been considering giving another distro a chance to try out KDE4, maybe SUSE or Mandriva.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201541</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28200897</id>
	<title>Ouch my butt!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244022240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just got out of the shower a few minutes ago and my anus hurts after Hans Reiser fucked me in the butt after I dropped the soap!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got out of the shower a few minutes ago and my anus hurts after Hans Reiser fucked me in the butt after I dropped the soap !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got out of the shower a few minutes ago and my anus hurts after Hans Reiser fucked me in the butt after I dropped the soap!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201567</id>
	<title>A bad copy...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244024700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me or is this a bad copy of many different GUIs? I see these in there : iTunes, OSX, Windows Vista, Windows 7, a little Amiga OS. I don't like it, I don't like it at all. There is a reason Lunix ( I know, I say Lunix to make fanboys angry ) kept its HUGE marketshare ( below 1\% ) for the past 15 years and the reason is simple : Copying instead of originality. Call me crazy, people who support this way are all morons.</p><p>You will flame me for this. You will mod me down for sure to shut me up but the facts remains and the history speaks for itself. Not even could Lunix take a good share of "Netbooks"' marketshare. The Lunix world is so messy, so unorganized, so unoriginal, so "super elitist" that even when it's free, customers want Windows.</p><p>Say what you want, but Windows 7 is an absolute great OS with a really developed and mature GUI. With Windows gettings stable and super secure since the past 2-3 years, what argument ( other than price ) has Lunix left? Not a damn thing!</p><p>And price isn't an issue for 90\% of the customers, I mean say you upgrade each 3 years ( Windows "normal" cycle ), OEM copy costs around say $100, devide $100 into 3 years and you got the cost of Windows down to what, $3 a month. The question is, ARE YOU COMPLETELY INSANE? IS THAT THE BEST ARGUMENT THIS COMMUNITY HAVE TO FORCE LUNIX DOWN PEOPLES' THROATS? Oh yeah, very good, you'll save $3 a month! AND most of your hardware won't work, you can't do much gaming either, and forget simplicity. You will have to bow down and litterally beg to the "RTFM noob" community for some small help which usually gets you banned. ( I personally got banned from a #Linux room because I said I work with "closed source" software, go figure. ) and you get to waste hours and hours of your life trying to figure out how to get your printer, webcam work.</p><p>On top of that, you get to use old looking poor man's CRAP like Open Office, bloody hell, give me a break. Open your eyes and take a look at that beautiful GUI of Office 2007.</p><p>If you can not cough up $3 a month, the cost of Windows is most likely not your biggest issue.</p><p>The cost argument is ofcourse just one of them but a valid void one.</p><p>Bottom line is, Windows might be a closed source OS but is actually VERY open. VERY organized. GREAT support and GREAT community. 1000000000000s of applications, 100000000000s of games. Secure, Fast, Stable, SIMPLE, Click click click and you are done! You have had your head in the sand for too long, Microsoft DOES actually listen to its customers instead of telling them "RTFM noob". Surely they copy too from time to time but they alter it until it is actually GOOD, they also PAY for it.</p><p>You are all fools but don't get me wrong! I love it. I love the way you are and I hope you keep it that way, it'll make sure that Windows dominate the OS market for another 20-30 years to come. By that time, if I am still alive, I'll be retired and won't give a flying fuck about any OS.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or is this a bad copy of many different GUIs ?
I see these in there : iTunes , OSX , Windows Vista , Windows 7 , a little Amiga OS .
I do n't like it , I do n't like it at all .
There is a reason Lunix ( I know , I say Lunix to make fanboys angry ) kept its HUGE marketshare ( below 1 \ % ) for the past 15 years and the reason is simple : Copying instead of originality .
Call me crazy , people who support this way are all morons.You will flame me for this .
You will mod me down for sure to shut me up but the facts remains and the history speaks for itself .
Not even could Lunix take a good share of " Netbooks " ' marketshare .
The Lunix world is so messy , so unorganized , so unoriginal , so " super elitist " that even when it 's free , customers want Windows.Say what you want , but Windows 7 is an absolute great OS with a really developed and mature GUI .
With Windows gettings stable and super secure since the past 2-3 years , what argument ( other than price ) has Lunix left ?
Not a damn thing ! And price is n't an issue for 90 \ % of the customers , I mean say you upgrade each 3 years ( Windows " normal " cycle ) , OEM copy costs around say $ 100 , devide $ 100 into 3 years and you got the cost of Windows down to what , $ 3 a month .
The question is , ARE YOU COMPLETELY INSANE ?
IS THAT THE BEST ARGUMENT THIS COMMUNITY HAVE TO FORCE LUNIX DOWN PEOPLES ' THROATS ?
Oh yeah , very good , you 'll save $ 3 a month !
AND most of your hardware wo n't work , you ca n't do much gaming either , and forget simplicity .
You will have to bow down and litterally beg to the " RTFM noob " community for some small help which usually gets you banned .
( I personally got banned from a # Linux room because I said I work with " closed source " software , go figure .
) and you get to waste hours and hours of your life trying to figure out how to get your printer , webcam work.On top of that , you get to use old looking poor man 's CRAP like Open Office , bloody hell , give me a break .
Open your eyes and take a look at that beautiful GUI of Office 2007.If you can not cough up $ 3 a month , the cost of Windows is most likely not your biggest issue.The cost argument is ofcourse just one of them but a valid void one.Bottom line is , Windows might be a closed source OS but is actually VERY open .
VERY organized .
GREAT support and GREAT community .
1000000000000s of applications , 100000000000s of games .
Secure , Fast , Stable , SIMPLE , Click click click and you are done !
You have had your head in the sand for too long , Microsoft DOES actually listen to its customers instead of telling them " RTFM noob " .
Surely they copy too from time to time but they alter it until it is actually GOOD , they also PAY for it.You are all fools but do n't get me wrong !
I love it .
I love the way you are and I hope you keep it that way , it 'll make sure that Windows dominate the OS market for another 20-30 years to come .
By that time , if I am still alive , I 'll be retired and wo n't give a flying fuck about any OS .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or is this a bad copy of many different GUIs?
I see these in there : iTunes, OSX, Windows Vista, Windows 7, a little Amiga OS.
I don't like it, I don't like it at all.
There is a reason Lunix ( I know, I say Lunix to make fanboys angry ) kept its HUGE marketshare ( below 1\% ) for the past 15 years and the reason is simple : Copying instead of originality.
Call me crazy, people who support this way are all morons.You will flame me for this.
You will mod me down for sure to shut me up but the facts remains and the history speaks for itself.
Not even could Lunix take a good share of "Netbooks"' marketshare.
The Lunix world is so messy, so unorganized, so unoriginal, so "super elitist" that even when it's free, customers want Windows.Say what you want, but Windows 7 is an absolute great OS with a really developed and mature GUI.
With Windows gettings stable and super secure since the past 2-3 years, what argument ( other than price ) has Lunix left?
Not a damn thing!And price isn't an issue for 90\% of the customers, I mean say you upgrade each 3 years ( Windows "normal" cycle ), OEM copy costs around say $100, devide $100 into 3 years and you got the cost of Windows down to what, $3 a month.
The question is, ARE YOU COMPLETELY INSANE?
IS THAT THE BEST ARGUMENT THIS COMMUNITY HAVE TO FORCE LUNIX DOWN PEOPLES' THROATS?
Oh yeah, very good, you'll save $3 a month!
AND most of your hardware won't work, you can't do much gaming either, and forget simplicity.
You will have to bow down and litterally beg to the "RTFM noob" community for some small help which usually gets you banned.
( I personally got banned from a #Linux room because I said I work with "closed source" software, go figure.
) and you get to waste hours and hours of your life trying to figure out how to get your printer, webcam work.On top of that, you get to use old looking poor man's CRAP like Open Office, bloody hell, give me a break.
Open your eyes and take a look at that beautiful GUI of Office 2007.If you can not cough up $3 a month, the cost of Windows is most likely not your biggest issue.The cost argument is ofcourse just one of them but a valid void one.Bottom line is, Windows might be a closed source OS but is actually VERY open.
VERY organized.
GREAT support and GREAT community.
1000000000000s of applications, 100000000000s of games.
Secure, Fast, Stable, SIMPLE, Click click click and you are done!
You have had your head in the sand for too long, Microsoft DOES actually listen to its customers instead of telling them "RTFM noob".
Surely they copy too from time to time but they alter it until it is actually GOOD, they also PAY for it.You are all fools but don't get me wrong!
I love it.
I love the way you are and I hope you keep it that way, it'll make sure that Windows dominate the OS market for another 20-30 years to come.
By that time, if I am still alive, I'll be retired and won't give a flying fuck about any OS.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28203085</id>
	<title>Re:The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux</title>
	<author>Skylinux</author>
	<datestamp>1244030220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>please mod parent down -1 heretic<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>But seriously he is somewhat correct BUT I don't want to see every Desktop app to turn into some MS Windows copy.<br>I want my "advanced computer user OS" and not grandma's OS and this is why I use Linux. Linux is advanced software, it allows me to do things Windows users don't even understand or don't know it can be done.<br>I choose my Linux distribution because it is not the "I'll hold your hand all the way" software and the less computer savvy individual can use something like *buntu.</p><p>We do need a basic plan to allow manufactures to write software for our OS without writing separate version for every distro out there but let's not turn Linux into Windows, PLEASE!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>please mod parent down -1 heretic : ) But seriously he is somewhat correct BUT I do n't want to see every Desktop app to turn into some MS Windows copy.I want my " advanced computer user OS " and not grandma 's OS and this is why I use Linux .
Linux is advanced software , it allows me to do things Windows users do n't even understand or do n't know it can be done.I choose my Linux distribution because it is not the " I 'll hold your hand all the way " software and the less computer savvy individual can use something like * buntu.We do need a basic plan to allow manufactures to write software for our OS without writing separate version for every distro out there but let 's not turn Linux into Windows , PLEASE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>please mod parent down -1 heretic :)But seriously he is somewhat correct BUT I don't want to see every Desktop app to turn into some MS Windows copy.I want my "advanced computer user OS" and not grandma's OS and this is why I use Linux.
Linux is advanced software, it allows me to do things Windows users don't even understand or don't know it can be done.I choose my Linux distribution because it is not the "I'll hold your hand all the way" software and the less computer savvy individual can use something like *buntu.We do need a basic plan to allow manufactures to write software for our OS without writing separate version for every distro out there but let's not turn Linux into Windows, PLEASE!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201857</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206543</id>
	<title>Still f*cked Up</title>
	<author>Delifisek</author>
	<datestamp>1244148900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry KDE Guys.</p><p>After 3 try  (4.0. 4.1 4.2) I still not be able to work with dual monitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry KDE Guys.After 3 try ( 4.0 .
4.1 4.2 ) I still not be able to work with dual monitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry KDE Guys.After 3 try  (4.0.
4.1 4.2) I still not be able to work with dual monitors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202625</id>
	<title>Re:The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux</title>
	<author>dmbasso</author>
	<datestamp>1244028360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I'm pretty happy with my netbook with Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I couldn't care less for Microsoft and whatever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'm pretty happy with my netbook with Ubuntu Netbook Remix .
I could n't care less for Microsoft and whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'm pretty happy with my netbook with Ubuntu Netbook Remix.
I couldn't care less for Microsoft and whatever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201857</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28332469</id>
	<title>Re:Promising? Yes. Usable? not really</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1245008700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, interesting. I can't say I've tested all of those, but...</p><p>Ftp works fine for me. For sftp I either use the console or use fish:, which also works.</p><p>Didn't try editing over a standard ftp, but fish works.</p><p>Don't use Samba, sorry. Even my Windows boxes have NFS (it's an optional feature built into in the higher Windows editions, believe it or not).</p><p>Fish works for me.</p><p>None of my networks use EAP. WPA-PSK works fantastically, much better than in 3.5.x.</p><p>I just turn off the Klipper applet and use it like copy-paste on any other platform. The only time I would even attempt to use Klipper is if I needed to transfer a large number of things from one window to another, but separately. In that case, I would usually use a sticky note widget or similar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , interesting .
I ca n't say I 've tested all of those , but...Ftp works fine for me .
For sftp I either use the console or use fish : , which also works.Did n't try editing over a standard ftp , but fish works.Do n't use Samba , sorry .
Even my Windows boxes have NFS ( it 's an optional feature built into in the higher Windows editions , believe it or not ) .Fish works for me.None of my networks use EAP .
WPA-PSK works fantastically , much better than in 3.5.x.I just turn off the Klipper applet and use it like copy-paste on any other platform .
The only time I would even attempt to use Klipper is if I needed to transfer a large number of things from one window to another , but separately .
In that case , I would usually use a sticky note widget or similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, interesting.
I can't say I've tested all of those, but...Ftp works fine for me.
For sftp I either use the console or use fish:, which also works.Didn't try editing over a standard ftp, but fish works.Don't use Samba, sorry.
Even my Windows boxes have NFS (it's an optional feature built into in the higher Windows editions, believe it or not).Fish works for me.None of my networks use EAP.
WPA-PSK works fantastically, much better than in 3.5.x.I just turn off the Klipper applet and use it like copy-paste on any other platform.
The only time I would even attempt to use Klipper is if I needed to transfer a large number of things from one window to another, but separately.
In that case, I would usually use a sticky note widget or similar.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28206635</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28202339</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4 looks promising</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1244027220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable. It's what 4 (in general) should ahve been from the start. Don't even bother looking at 4.1 or 4.0, and if you do, don't expect 4.2 to be the same. It's not. The older ones are broken, yes, but don't assume taht means that 4.x is *ALL* broken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable .
It 's what 4 ( in general ) should ahve been from the start .
Do n't even bother looking at 4.1 or 4.0 , and if you do , do n't expect 4.2 to be the same .
It 's not .
The older ones are broken , yes , but do n't assume taht means that 4.x is * ALL * broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable.
It's what 4 (in general) should ahve been from the start.
Don't even bother looking at 4.1 or 4.0, and if you do, don't expect 4.2 to be the same.
It's not.
The older ones are broken, yes, but don't assume taht means that 4.x is *ALL* broken.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28201541</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_03_2036213.28228365</id>
	<title>new features</title>
	<author>t3chn0n3rd</author>
	<datestamp>1244201760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>were there many new features to 4.2?</htmltext>
<tokenext>were there many new features to 4.2 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>were there many new features to 4.2?</sentencetext>
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