<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_02_1435250</id>
	<title>Aussie Government Offers $40M To Build a Bionic Eye</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1243955280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The Australian Government is keen to replicate the success of the Cochlear Implant (bionic ear) by  <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/104658,australian-government-offers-50m-toward-bionic-eye-effort.aspx">throwing AU$50M (US$40M) of funding  at the development of a bionic eye</a>. Bionic eyes have been trialed with  some success in the UK &mdash; with recipients able to detect senses of shape and space, but very little detail."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The Australian Government is keen to replicate the success of the Cochlear Implant ( bionic ear ) by throwing AU $ 50M ( US $ 40M ) of funding at the development of a bionic eye .
Bionic eyes have been trialed with some success in the UK    with recipients able to detect senses of shape and space , but very little detail .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The Australian Government is keen to replicate the success of the Cochlear Implant (bionic ear) by  throwing AU$50M (US$40M) of funding  at the development of a bionic eye.
Bionic eyes have been trialed with  some success in the UK — with recipients able to detect senses of shape and space, but very little detail.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28185635</id>
	<title>Enough Six Million Dollar Man!</title>
	<author>realnrh</author>
	<datestamp>1243971060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We need Bionic Six and Robocop references to balance things out. And we've gone this long without a Borg reference, or someone demanding not only vision from bionic eyes but lasers? This isn't the Slashdot I know...</htmltext>
<tokenext>We need Bionic Six and Robocop references to balance things out .
And we 've gone this long without a Borg reference , or someone demanding not only vision from bionic eyes but lasers ?
This is n't the Slashdot I know.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need Bionic Six and Robocop references to balance things out.
And we've gone this long without a Borg reference, or someone demanding not only vision from bionic eyes but lasers?
This isn't the Slashdot I know...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28189259</id>
	<title>Re:$50M for an Eye...Really?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1243943700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can do that (theoretically) with contact lenses. I want zoom and <em>recording</em>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can do that ( theoretically ) with contact lenses .
I want zoom and recording .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can do that (theoretically) with contact lenses.
I want zoom and recording.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28185601</id>
	<title>CCD and neural network on a chip</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243970940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Assuming the nerve-electronic interface can be bridged, I would think a 12 Megapixel CCD meshed with modern autofocus (would prove an issue if another natural eye is involved) then fed through a configurable Neural network (similar to what the natural eye uses fyi) to feed the inpulses to the optic nerve.  The trick is the small pacakeing required and low light issues, but the NN could learn with the new user  (training via an externally hosted routine) then be 'frozen' in forward pass mode once the user is happy with the imaging?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming the nerve-electronic interface can be bridged , I would think a 12 Megapixel CCD meshed with modern autofocus ( would prove an issue if another natural eye is involved ) then fed through a configurable Neural network ( similar to what the natural eye uses fyi ) to feed the inpulses to the optic nerve .
The trick is the small pacakeing required and low light issues , but the NN could learn with the new user ( training via an externally hosted routine ) then be 'frozen ' in forward pass mode once the user is happy with the imaging ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming the nerve-electronic interface can be bridged, I would think a 12 Megapixel CCD meshed with modern autofocus (would prove an issue if another natural eye is involved) then fed through a configurable Neural network (similar to what the natural eye uses fyi) to feed the inpulses to the optic nerve.
The trick is the small pacakeing required and low light issues, but the NN could learn with the new user  (training via an externally hosted routine) then be 'frozen' in forward pass mode once the user is happy with the imaging?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183667</id>
	<title>Re:Won't this fail for simple biological reasons?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243962600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the "bionic eye" they refer to is more about the interface between an artificial eye and the human visual system, rather than an eye transplant. Like you said, the retina is composed of neural cells, so removing the eye or optic nerve leads to blindness that is most likely irreversible (like in retinal detachment). As far as I'm aware, "eye" transplants are transplants of the cornea.</p><p>Current artificial eyes pass signals to the retina or to the visual cortex, but they have very low resolutions. I've heard about the Dobelle eye from a few years ago that had up to 12x12 resolution; I expect that to be better now. It seems very low to me because I'm sighted, but it probably means a lot to someone who can't see. I know scientists have had success with the motor cortex, but vision just seems a more challenging task.</p><p>More research funding is a good thing though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the " bionic eye " they refer to is more about the interface between an artificial eye and the human visual system , rather than an eye transplant .
Like you said , the retina is composed of neural cells , so removing the eye or optic nerve leads to blindness that is most likely irreversible ( like in retinal detachment ) .
As far as I 'm aware , " eye " transplants are transplants of the cornea.Current artificial eyes pass signals to the retina or to the visual cortex , but they have very low resolutions .
I 've heard about the Dobelle eye from a few years ago that had up to 12x12 resolution ; I expect that to be better now .
It seems very low to me because I 'm sighted , but it probably means a lot to someone who ca n't see .
I know scientists have had success with the motor cortex , but vision just seems a more challenging task.More research funding is a good thing though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the "bionic eye" they refer to is more about the interface between an artificial eye and the human visual system, rather than an eye transplant.
Like you said, the retina is composed of neural cells, so removing the eye or optic nerve leads to blindness that is most likely irreversible (like in retinal detachment).
As far as I'm aware, "eye" transplants are transplants of the cornea.Current artificial eyes pass signals to the retina or to the visual cortex, but they have very low resolutions.
I've heard about the Dobelle eye from a few years ago that had up to 12x12 resolution; I expect that to be better now.
It seems very low to me because I'm sighted, but it probably means a lot to someone who can't see.
I know scientists have had success with the motor cortex, but vision just seems a more challenging task.More research funding is a good thing though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182977</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28185125</id>
	<title>Crikey!</title>
	<author>Megane</author>
	<datestamp>1243968660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Steve Irwin, crocodile hunter. A man barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic Australian. Steve Irwin will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster... crikier!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve Irwin , crocodile hunter .
A man barely alive .
Gentlemen , we can rebuild him .
We have the technology .
We have the capability to build the world 's first bionic Australian .
Steve Irwin will be that man .
Better than he was before .
Better , stronger , faster... crikier !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Irwin, crocodile hunter.
A man barely alive.
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him.
We have the technology.
We have the capability to build the world's first bionic Australian.
Steve Irwin will be that man.
Better than he was before.
Better, stronger, faster... crikier!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28187513</id>
	<title>Inflation's a killer....</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1243935840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to the TV show it was suppose to be $6 Million for the entire man! No wonder it's taking so long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the TV show it was suppose to be $ 6 Million for the entire man !
No wonder it 's taking so long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the TV show it was suppose to be $6 Million for the entire man!
No wonder it's taking so long.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28185731</id>
	<title>Re:Won't this fail for simple biological reasons?</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1243971360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Until we have that kind of knowledge, I don't see how any kind of eye replacement, whether via transplant or some kind of bionic prosthesis, will be possible. Of course, IANANB (I Am Not A Neurobiologist).</i></p><p>Umm... So are you saying because we don't have the knowledge we are going to fail because we don't have the knowledge?</p><p>I think the whole point of the research was to learn how to do it so they wouldn't fail at it.</p><p>The point of research us to learn about something we know nothing about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until we have that kind of knowledge , I do n't see how any kind of eye replacement , whether via transplant or some kind of bionic prosthesis , will be possible .
Of course , IANANB ( I Am Not A Neurobiologist ) .Umm... So are you saying because we do n't have the knowledge we are going to fail because we do n't have the knowledge ? I think the whole point of the research was to learn how to do it so they would n't fail at it.The point of research us to learn about something we know nothing about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until we have that kind of knowledge, I don't see how any kind of eye replacement, whether via transplant or some kind of bionic prosthesis, will be possible.
Of course, IANANB (I Am Not A Neurobiologist).Umm... So are you saying because we don't have the knowledge we are going to fail because we don't have the knowledge?I think the whole point of the research was to learn how to do it so they wouldn't fail at it.The point of research us to learn about something we know nothing about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182977</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28184263</id>
	<title>Re:$50M for an Eye...Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243965180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would you swap one of your eyes for a car that went 100 MPG?  Didn't think so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you swap one of your eyes for a car that went 100 MPG ?
Did n't think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you swap one of your eyes for a car that went 100 MPG?
Didn't think so.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182995</id>
	<title>Re:Jamie Sommers joke</title>
	<author>tyroneking</author>
	<datestamp>1243960020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Son: Mum, is Lindsay Wagner really bionic?<br>Mother: No, of course not. Why?<br>Son: Because Dad said he could screw the ass of her any-day...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Son : Mum , is Lindsay Wagner really bionic ? Mother : No , of course not .
Why ? Son : Because Dad said he could screw the ass of her any-day.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Son: Mum, is Lindsay Wagner really bionic?Mother: No, of course not.
Why?Son: Because Dad said he could screw the ass of her any-day...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182705</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28184663</id>
	<title>World Domination</title>
	<author>happy\_place</author>
	<datestamp>1243966920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno... sure we can rebuild him, but then that leads to the Bionic Woman, and we all know that inevitably means we'll have Fembots trying to take over the world... with their faces flipping off, and those freaky eyeballs on circuit board faces... Shudder!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno... sure we can rebuild him , but then that leads to the Bionic Woman , and we all know that inevitably means we 'll have Fembots trying to take over the world... with their faces flipping off , and those freaky eyeballs on circuit board faces... Shudder !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno... sure we can rebuild him, but then that leads to the Bionic Woman, and we all know that inevitably means we'll have Fembots trying to take over the world... with their faces flipping off, and those freaky eyeballs on circuit board faces... Shudder!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183595</id>
	<title>Re:Won't this fail for simple biological reasons?</title>
	<author>Davemania</author>
	<datestamp>1243962180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The current bionic implants targets very very circumstances, i.e. the nerves and retina must still be attached etc. The implant stimulates the retina and creates images that the user can see. (They can replicate this using animal experiment by stimulating the retina and observing the brain activity in certain regions. Some groups in the US have already done some human trial with limited success) The current resolution is very low and the whole setup is impractical. My opinion is that stem cell research is the way to go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The current bionic implants targets very very circumstances , i.e .
the nerves and retina must still be attached etc .
The implant stimulates the retina and creates images that the user can see .
( They can replicate this using animal experiment by stimulating the retina and observing the brain activity in certain regions .
Some groups in the US have already done some human trial with limited success ) The current resolution is very low and the whole setup is impractical .
My opinion is that stem cell research is the way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current bionic implants targets very very circumstances, i.e.
the nerves and retina must still be attached etc.
The implant stimulates the retina and creates images that the user can see.
(They can replicate this using animal experiment by stimulating the retina and observing the brain activity in certain regions.
Some groups in the US have already done some human trial with limited success) The current resolution is very low and the whole setup is impractical.
My opinion is that stem cell research is the way to go.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182977</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183385</id>
	<title>Re:we don't need a "bionic eye"</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1243961340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There already are a few people with implanted electrodes from previous experiments.  They'd appreciate getting an upgrade and a new eye.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There already are a few people with implanted electrodes from previous experiments .
They 'd appreciate getting an upgrade and a new eye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There already are a few people with implanted electrodes from previous experiments.
They'd appreciate getting an upgrade and a new eye.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182711</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28186673</id>
	<title>the great firewall pt. 2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243975500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...but the money will only be given if the eye can be used to watch where Aussies surf on the web.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but the money will only be given if the eye can be used to watch where Aussies surf on the web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but the money will only be given if the eye can be used to watch where Aussies surf on the web.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183885</id>
	<title>Re:Eyes are worth more</title>
	<author>rtb61</author>
	<datestamp>1243963560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A bionic eye might be better than a car that does better than 100mpg but would it be better than high capacity long life batteries and electric cars?</htmltext>
<tokenext>A bionic eye might be better than a car that does better than 100mpg but would it be better than high capacity long life batteries and electric cars ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bionic eye might be better than a car that does better than 100mpg but would it be better than high capacity long life batteries and electric cars?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183687</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28187849</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Approach?</title>
	<author>MattskEE</author>
	<datestamp>1243937100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>X-prizes type systems are nice, but they are mostly a PR stunt.  This isn't to belittle them, or deny effectiveness, but you need real money to do research, not the prospect of maybe winning a prize.  You can't hire researchers and buy equipment with prize money that you haven't won yet.  So there still needs to be *real* grant money, *real* research contracts, or *real* investors to accomplish anything.</p><p>Furthermore, the prize money only defrays the cost of eventual success, it costs more money to win an X prize than the prize is worth.  This works out because by that point they usually have a product that will start making back the investment, but prize money cannot be confused with research funding.</p><p>And you are right, I doubt $40 million won't be enough to build a bionic eye.  But they will probably make progress, and it's better than jumping straight in with $400 million.  People in charge of public funding tend not to be risk-averse, so they start with small steps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>X-prizes type systems are nice , but they are mostly a PR stunt .
This is n't to belittle them , or deny effectiveness , but you need real money to do research , not the prospect of maybe winning a prize .
You ca n't hire researchers and buy equipment with prize money that you have n't won yet .
So there still needs to be * real * grant money , * real * research contracts , or * real * investors to accomplish anything.Furthermore , the prize money only defrays the cost of eventual success , it costs more money to win an X prize than the prize is worth .
This works out because by that point they usually have a product that will start making back the investment , but prize money can not be confused with research funding.And you are right , I doubt $ 40 million wo n't be enough to build a bionic eye .
But they will probably make progress , and it 's better than jumping straight in with $ 400 million .
People in charge of public funding tend not to be risk-averse , so they start with small steps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>X-prizes type systems are nice, but they are mostly a PR stunt.
This isn't to belittle them, or deny effectiveness, but you need real money to do research, not the prospect of maybe winning a prize.
You can't hire researchers and buy equipment with prize money that you haven't won yet.
So there still needs to be *real* grant money, *real* research contracts, or *real* investors to accomplish anything.Furthermore, the prize money only defrays the cost of eventual success, it costs more money to win an X prize than the prize is worth.
This works out because by that point they usually have a product that will start making back the investment, but prize money cannot be confused with research funding.And you are right, I doubt $40 million won't be enough to build a bionic eye.
But they will probably make progress, and it's better than jumping straight in with $400 million.
People in charge of public funding tend not to be risk-averse, so they start with small steps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28192959</id>
	<title>Re:$50M for an Eye...Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244020320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>50,000 blind people in Australia, and roughly 40,000 of these are politicians!</htmltext>
<tokenext>50,000 blind people in Australia , and roughly 40,000 of these are politicians !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>50,000 blind people in Australia, and roughly 40,000 of these are politicians!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183379</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182705</id>
	<title>Just give me a week and I'll have it to you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243959060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fortunately, I was already digging up Jaime Sommers' corpse for other uses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately , I was already digging up Jaime Sommers ' corpse for other uses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately, I was already digging up Jaime Sommers' corpse for other uses.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28184953</id>
	<title>Re:$50M for an Eye...Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243968060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You ignore another, more far reaching benefit to bionic eyes. There is a lot of information in the world that we, as humans, simply cannot access at this time, such as the most obvious examples of IR/UV light. When the technology is in its infancy we may not get as much of a return on the investment as we would for other developments, however, as it progresses it could open up entirely new realms of senses. <br> <br>

Wouldn't it be nice to see the sun set in a full spectrum, or have a monitor built into your eye, or maybe even have 360 degree field of vision by adding a few more cameras? On the other hand, a 100 MPG car would certainly beat what I'm driving right now, but in the end the monopolies that rule the industry would still raise prices to keep up their profit margins, and we would still be drilling for oil, albeit a bit slower.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ignore another , more far reaching benefit to bionic eyes .
There is a lot of information in the world that we , as humans , simply can not access at this time , such as the most obvious examples of IR/UV light .
When the technology is in its infancy we may not get as much of a return on the investment as we would for other developments , however , as it progresses it could open up entirely new realms of senses .
Would n't it be nice to see the sun set in a full spectrum , or have a monitor built into your eye , or maybe even have 360 degree field of vision by adding a few more cameras ?
On the other hand , a 100 MPG car would certainly beat what I 'm driving right now , but in the end the monopolies that rule the industry would still raise prices to keep up their profit margins , and we would still be drilling for oil , albeit a bit slower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You ignore another, more far reaching benefit to bionic eyes.
There is a lot of information in the world that we, as humans, simply cannot access at this time, such as the most obvious examples of IR/UV light.
When the technology is in its infancy we may not get as much of a return on the investment as we would for other developments, however, as it progresses it could open up entirely new realms of senses.
Wouldn't it be nice to see the sun set in a full spectrum, or have a monitor built into your eye, or maybe even have 360 degree field of vision by adding a few more cameras?
On the other hand, a 100 MPG car would certainly beat what I'm driving right now, but in the end the monopolies that rule the industry would still raise prices to keep up their profit margins, and we would still be drilling for oil, albeit a bit slower.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182935</id>
	<title>Wounder how much</title>
	<author>funwithBSD</author>
	<datestamp>1243959780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you would have left after taxes?</p><p>Probably not worth the effort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you would have left after taxes ? Probably not worth the effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you would have left after taxes?Probably not worth the effort.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182971</id>
	<title>As predicted by JoCo</title>
	<author>JCSoRocks</author>
	<datestamp>1243959900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'll see her standing by the monorail<br>
She'll look the same except for bionic eyes<br>
She lost the real ones in the robot wars<br>
I'll say I'm sorry, she'll say it's not your fault<br>
Or is it?<br>
She'll eye me suspiciously<br>
Hearing the whir of the servos inside<br>
And she'll scream and try to run<br>
But there's nowhere she can hide<br>
When a crazy cyborg wants to make you his robot bride<br>
<br>
Well it's gonna be the future soon<br>
And I won't always be this way<br>
When the things that make me weak and strange get engineered away<br>
It's gonna be the future soon<br>
I've never seen it quite so clear<br>
And when my heart is breaking I can close my eyes and it's already here</p></div>
</blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll see her standing by the monorail She 'll look the same except for bionic eyes She lost the real ones in the robot wars I 'll say I 'm sorry , she 'll say it 's not your fault Or is it ?
She 'll eye me suspiciously Hearing the whir of the servos inside And she 'll scream and try to run But there 's nowhere she can hide When a crazy cyborg wants to make you his robot bride Well it 's gon na be the future soon And I wo n't always be this way When the things that make me weak and strange get engineered away It 's gon na be the future soon I 've never seen it quite so clear And when my heart is breaking I can close my eyes and it 's already here</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll see her standing by the monorail
She'll look the same except for bionic eyes
She lost the real ones in the robot wars
I'll say I'm sorry, she'll say it's not your fault
Or is it?
She'll eye me suspiciously
Hearing the whir of the servos inside
And she'll scream and try to run
But there's nowhere she can hide
When a crazy cyborg wants to make you his robot bride

Well it's gonna be the future soon
And I won't always be this way
When the things that make me weak and strange get engineered away
It's gonna be the future soon
I've never seen it quite so clear
And when my heart is breaking I can close my eyes and it's already here

	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28188795</id>
	<title>40 Million?</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1243941240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't that 34 Million Dollars over budget, or is that in Aussie Dollars?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that 34 Million Dollars over budget , or is that in Aussie Dollars ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that 34 Million Dollars over budget, or is that in Aussie Dollars?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28186373</id>
	<title>Re:Just give me a week and I'll have it to you</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1243974300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn. All that digging for nothing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn .
All that digging for nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn.
All that digging for nothing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183637</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183637</id>
	<title>Re:Just give me a week and I'll have it to you</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1243962420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Fortunately, I was already digging up Jaime Sommers' corpse for other uses."</i> <p>

Why? She's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsay\_Wagner" title="wikipedia.org">not dead</a> [wikipedia.org]...not the character, nor the person.</p><p>
Remember? She didn't really die...she was frozen till they could cure her, and when she came back, she didn't remember loving Steve, and went off on her own adventures in her Bionic Woman show.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately , I was already digging up Jaime Sommers ' corpse for other uses .
" Why ?
She 's not dead [ wikipedia.org ] ...not the character , nor the person .
Remember ? She did n't really die...she was frozen till they could cure her , and when she came back , she did n't remember loving Steve , and went off on her own adventures in her Bionic Woman show .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately, I was already digging up Jaime Sommers' corpse for other uses.
" 

Why?
She's not dead [wikipedia.org]...not the character, nor the person.
Remember? She didn't really die...she was frozen till they could cure her, and when she came back, she didn't remember loving Steve, and went off on her own adventures in her Bionic Woman show.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182705</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182665</id>
	<title>Yesss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243959000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WANT</htmltext>
<tokenext>WANT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WANT</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183687</id>
	<title>Eyes are worth more</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1243962660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I disagree. A bionic eye is worth much more than a car that gets 100mpg.<br><br>1) Economical diesel cars already get close to that, so if car owners become really interested, it will be built without the need of a prize. If you go pure biodiesel you might even be able to meet the 200g/mile emissions requirement if it is a "net calculation".<br>2) A car that gets 100mpg from fossil fuels might end up a mere curiosity if we ever shift big time from fossil fuels to something else other than biofuels.<br><br>In contrast a working bionic eye is going to be useful for as long as humans (or other similar creatures) want eyes.<br><br>An efficient biofuel car is useful, but it by itself will not deal with the problem of starving out the poor - because as long as the rich are many times richer than the numerous poor, they can afford to pay a lot more to feed their cars so they wouldn't feel the pressure. It would likely need external regulation to make them care.<br><br>Here's some rough math:<br><br>Recommended energy per person: 2000 kcal = 8.36 megajoules<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/day.<br><br>1 litre of vegetable oil = 34MJ - or about the daily energy allowance for 4 people.<br>1 litre of vegetable =&gt; approximately USD1.<br><br>How much would a rich (e.g. anyone who can afford a car) person be willing to pay per day to feed his car? USD2? If he can afford to pay more than 8 poor people, the 8 poor people are going to get less food assuming we don't keep converting forests to farmland.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
A bionic eye is worth much more than a car that gets 100mpg.1 ) Economical diesel cars already get close to that , so if car owners become really interested , it will be built without the need of a prize .
If you go pure biodiesel you might even be able to meet the 200g/mile emissions requirement if it is a " net calculation " .2 ) A car that gets 100mpg from fossil fuels might end up a mere curiosity if we ever shift big time from fossil fuels to something else other than biofuels.In contrast a working bionic eye is going to be useful for as long as humans ( or other similar creatures ) want eyes.An efficient biofuel car is useful , but it by itself will not deal with the problem of starving out the poor - because as long as the rich are many times richer than the numerous poor , they can afford to pay a lot more to feed their cars so they would n't feel the pressure .
It would likely need external regulation to make them care.Here 's some rough math : Recommended energy per person : 2000 kcal = 8.36 megajoules /day.1 litre of vegetable oil = 34MJ - or about the daily energy allowance for 4 people.1 litre of vegetable = &gt; approximately USD1.How much would a rich ( e.g .
anyone who can afford a car ) person be willing to pay per day to feed his car ?
USD2 ? If he can afford to pay more than 8 poor people , the 8 poor people are going to get less food assuming we do n't keep converting forests to farmland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
A bionic eye is worth much more than a car that gets 100mpg.1) Economical diesel cars already get close to that, so if car owners become really interested, it will be built without the need of a prize.
If you go pure biodiesel you might even be able to meet the 200g/mile emissions requirement if it is a "net calculation".2) A car that gets 100mpg from fossil fuels might end up a mere curiosity if we ever shift big time from fossil fuels to something else other than biofuels.In contrast a working bionic eye is going to be useful for as long as humans (or other similar creatures) want eyes.An efficient biofuel car is useful, but it by itself will not deal with the problem of starving out the poor - because as long as the rich are many times richer than the numerous poor, they can afford to pay a lot more to feed their cars so they wouldn't feel the pressure.
It would likely need external regulation to make them care.Here's some rough math:Recommended energy per person: 2000 kcal = 8.36 megajoules /day.1 litre of vegetable oil = 34MJ - or about the daily energy allowance for 4 people.1 litre of vegetable =&gt; approximately USD1.How much would a rich (e.g.
anyone who can afford a car) person be willing to pay per day to feed his car?
USD2? If he can afford to pay more than 8 poor people, the 8 poor people are going to get less food assuming we don't keep converting forests to farmland.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182803</id>
	<title>Robotic wee-wee is next?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243959360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WANT</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WANT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WANT</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182771</id>
	<title>The real question is quality</title>
	<author>The\_mad\_linguist</author>
	<datestamp>1243959240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's already possible to do really low quality artificial sight.</p><p><a href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Seeing+Tongue-a078681631" title="thefreelibrary.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Seeing+Tongue-a078681631</a> [thefreelibrary.com]</p><p>As I see it, the main hurdle is just getting a eye hooked up with a decent amount of bandwidth (there are issues with power supply, nonrejection, et cetera, but those seem less difficult).  The human brain is <i>really good</i> at creating interpreters for new inputs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's already possible to do really low quality artificial sight.http : //www.thefreelibrary.com/The + Seeing + Tongue-a078681631 [ thefreelibrary.com ] As I see it , the main hurdle is just getting a eye hooked up with a decent amount of bandwidth ( there are issues with power supply , nonrejection , et cetera , but those seem less difficult ) .
The human brain is really good at creating interpreters for new inputs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's already possible to do really low quality artificial sight.http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Seeing+Tongue-a078681631 [thefreelibrary.com]As I see it, the main hurdle is just getting a eye hooked up with a decent amount of bandwidth (there are issues with power supply, nonrejection, et cetera, but those seem less difficult).
The human brain is really good at creating interpreters for new inputs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182703</id>
	<title>$50M for an Eye...Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243959060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, and a car that gets 100 MPG is only worth $10M. Someone may have their priorities mixed up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , and a car that gets 100 MPG is only worth $ 10M .
Someone may have their priorities mixed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, and a car that gets 100 MPG is only worth $10M.
Someone may have their priorities mixed up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182761</id>
	<title>Wrong Approach?</title>
	<author>Comatose51</author>
	<datestamp>1243959240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$40 million USD over 4 years is tiny!  Wouldn't it be better to structure it as some sort of X-prize or some sort of incentive system predicated on success?  I know it's hard to convince people to pop in a bionic eye so some stranger can tweak it but coming up with some parameters that could be objectively measured without sticking it into someone's body might be doable.  X-prize type challenges can trigger research efforts in multiples of the actual prize itself.</p><p>X-prize or not, $40 million USD over 4 years is not going to go very far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 40 million USD over 4 years is tiny !
Would n't it be better to structure it as some sort of X-prize or some sort of incentive system predicated on success ?
I know it 's hard to convince people to pop in a bionic eye so some stranger can tweak it but coming up with some parameters that could be objectively measured without sticking it into someone 's body might be doable .
X-prize type challenges can trigger research efforts in multiples of the actual prize itself.X-prize or not , $ 40 million USD over 4 years is not going to go very far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$40 million USD over 4 years is tiny!
Wouldn't it be better to structure it as some sort of X-prize or some sort of incentive system predicated on success?
I know it's hard to convince people to pop in a bionic eye so some stranger can tweak it but coming up with some parameters that could be objectively measured without sticking it into someone's body might be doable.
X-prize type challenges can trigger research efforts in multiples of the actual prize itself.X-prize or not, $40 million USD over 4 years is not going to go very far.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182849</id>
	<title>Re:we don't need a "bionic eye"</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1243959480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>we need a brain interface</i> <br> <br>
I think that's the part that makes it "bionic" rather than synthetic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>we need a brain interface I think that 's the part that makes it " bionic " rather than synthetic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we need a brain interface  
I think that's the part that makes it "bionic" rather than synthetic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182711</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28187079</id>
	<title>Bionic eye sounds OK, but...</title>
	<author>fullymodo</author>
	<datestamp>1243934160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...will I be able to fit 2 GPUs on it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...will I be able to fit 2 GPUs on it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...will I be able to fit 2 GPUs on it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28184061</id>
	<title>Re:Won't this fail for simple biological reasons?</title>
	<author>Shatrat</author>
	<datestamp>1243964460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Our current level of understanding and experience with neurobiology precludes brain transplants, which in turn precludes eye transplants.</p> </div><p>This is backwards.
You're saying that because we don't have the tools to replace the engine, we can't replace the spark plugs.</p><p>Car analogy to the rescue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our current level of understanding and experience with neurobiology precludes brain transplants , which in turn precludes eye transplants .
This is backwards .
You 're saying that because we do n't have the tools to replace the engine , we ca n't replace the spark plugs.Car analogy to the rescue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our current level of understanding and experience with neurobiology precludes brain transplants, which in turn precludes eye transplants.
This is backwards.
You're saying that because we don't have the tools to replace the engine, we can't replace the spark plugs.Car analogy to the rescue.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28191673</id>
	<title>Wrong again K Rudd</title>
	<author>dark grep</author>
	<datestamp>1243962240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't they know?  In the 70's it only cost $6M to build a whole bionic man.  It has already been done!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't they know ?
In the 70 's it only cost $ 6M to build a whole bionic man .
It has already been done ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't they know?
In the 70's it only cost $6M to build a whole bionic man.
It has already been done!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182711</id>
	<title>we don't need a "bionic eye"</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1243959060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we need a brain interface for said eye which we already have.  We call it a CCD camera.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we need a brain interface for said eye which we already have .
We call it a CCD camera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we need a brain interface for said eye which we already have.
We call it a CCD camera.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28186945</id>
	<title>Re:$50M for an Eye...Really?</title>
	<author>WilyCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1243933500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What good is a car to drive you to the strip club if you cannot SEE the strippers when you get there!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What good is a car to drive you to the strip club if you can not SEE the strippers when you get there !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What good is a car to drive you to the strip club if you cannot SEE the strippers when you get there!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183429</id>
	<title>Re:we don't need a "bionic eye"</title>
	<author>Xtravar</author>
	<datestamp>1243961580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And for most people, a brain for said interface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And for most people , a brain for said interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And for most people, a brain for said interface.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182711</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28186471</id>
	<title>I'd Upgrade...</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1243974720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I could get an HD eye with 20/10 vision and the ability to switch to infrared-mode. I'm getting to the point where I have trouble reading small print up close and it's all down hill for my eyeballs. I also have annoying floaters in my left eye. I'd be up for hanging on to my right eye (20/15 and still clear) so we could just pop the left one out and install an HD eyeball in there. That way I'd still get DRM-free organic vision with one eye, would not have floaters (I'll pass on the floater EULA) and would be able to see my co-workers in their underwear with my left one. Additionally the screen saver software should be good for a laugh.
<p>
If they could make it take up half my face and the eye part glow red like the Terminator, that would definitely be an added bonus.
</p><p>
Too bad the outlook on such a thing is that if it's invented it will only be long after I've died of old age. Stupid meat shelf life...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I could get an HD eye with 20/10 vision and the ability to switch to infrared-mode .
I 'm getting to the point where I have trouble reading small print up close and it 's all down hill for my eyeballs .
I also have annoying floaters in my left eye .
I 'd be up for hanging on to my right eye ( 20/15 and still clear ) so we could just pop the left one out and install an HD eyeball in there .
That way I 'd still get DRM-free organic vision with one eye , would not have floaters ( I 'll pass on the floater EULA ) and would be able to see my co-workers in their underwear with my left one .
Additionally the screen saver software should be good for a laugh .
If they could make it take up half my face and the eye part glow red like the Terminator , that would definitely be an added bonus .
Too bad the outlook on such a thing is that if it 's invented it will only be long after I 've died of old age .
Stupid meat shelf life.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I could get an HD eye with 20/10 vision and the ability to switch to infrared-mode.
I'm getting to the point where I have trouble reading small print up close and it's all down hill for my eyeballs.
I also have annoying floaters in my left eye.
I'd be up for hanging on to my right eye (20/15 and still clear) so we could just pop the left one out and install an HD eyeball in there.
That way I'd still get DRM-free organic vision with one eye, would not have floaters (I'll pass on the floater EULA) and would be able to see my co-workers in their underwear with my left one.
Additionally the screen saver software should be good for a laugh.
If they could make it take up half my face and the eye part glow red like the Terminator, that would definitely be an added bonus.
Too bad the outlook on such a thing is that if it's invented it will only be long after I've died of old age.
Stupid meat shelf life...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183535</id>
	<title>Re:Won't this fail for simple biological reasons?</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1243961940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact that someone was able to <a href="http://slashdot.org/science/99/10/07/1313256.shtml" title="slashdot.org">decode a cat's optic nerve</a> [slashdot.org] shows that the signaling on the nerve is somewhat understood.  So maybe we need a suitable encoder in order to feed video to an optic nerve.  There might be other problems, such as whether an optic nerve remains functional after the eye fails.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that someone was able to decode a cat 's optic nerve [ slashdot.org ] shows that the signaling on the nerve is somewhat understood .
So maybe we need a suitable encoder in order to feed video to an optic nerve .
There might be other problems , such as whether an optic nerve remains functional after the eye fails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that someone was able to decode a cat's optic nerve [slashdot.org] shows that the signaling on the nerve is somewhat understood.
So maybe we need a suitable encoder in order to feed video to an optic nerve.
There might be other problems, such as whether an optic nerve remains functional after the eye fails.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28191045</id>
	<title>Re:Eyes are worth more</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243956540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a heads-up, 2000kcal/day is <em>reference</em> energy per person-day, not <em>recommended</em>. For example, I'm about six feet tall and moderately active (I walk to and from university from off-campus), and it takes an estimated 3500kcal/day to keep me from losing weight; while I'm not certain that that's a bad thing (I'm not gaunt or anything), I'm not going to get below a maintenance diet of 3000kcal/day without becoming a lot more sedentary and probably losing some muscle.</p><p>The reference caloric intake is mostly there to generalize the RDA for specific nutrients, not to be a target.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a heads-up , 2000kcal/day is reference energy per person-day , not recommended .
For example , I 'm about six feet tall and moderately active ( I walk to and from university from off-campus ) , and it takes an estimated 3500kcal/day to keep me from losing weight ; while I 'm not certain that that 's a bad thing ( I 'm not gaunt or anything ) , I 'm not going to get below a maintenance diet of 3000kcal/day without becoming a lot more sedentary and probably losing some muscle.The reference caloric intake is mostly there to generalize the RDA for specific nutrients , not to be a target .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a heads-up, 2000kcal/day is reference energy per person-day, not recommended.
For example, I'm about six feet tall and moderately active (I walk to and from university from off-campus), and it takes an estimated 3500kcal/day to keep me from losing weight; while I'm not certain that that's a bad thing (I'm not gaunt or anything), I'm not going to get below a maintenance diet of 3000kcal/day without becoming a lot more sedentary and probably losing some muscle.The reference caloric intake is mostly there to generalize the RDA for specific nutrients, not to be a target.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28186899</id>
	<title>The Six Million Dollar Man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243933320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently we didn't have the technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently we did n't have the technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently we didn't have the technology.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182977</id>
	<title>Won't this fail for simple biological reasons?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243959960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My understanding has always been that doing things like eye transplants are currently impossible, because the eye directly integrates with the brain -- the retina blends into the optic nerve which blends into the brain. As Neal Stephenson said in <i>Snow Crash</i> (paraphrased horribly), if you look into someone's eyes, you're actually looking into their brain. Our current level of understanding and experience with neurobiology precludes brain transplants, which in turn precludes eye transplants.
<br> <br>
Until we have that kind of knowledge, I don't see how any kind of eye replacement, whether via transplant or some kind of bionic prosthesis, will be possible. Of course, IANANB (I Am Not A Neurobiologist).</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding has always been that doing things like eye transplants are currently impossible , because the eye directly integrates with the brain -- the retina blends into the optic nerve which blends into the brain .
As Neal Stephenson said in Snow Crash ( paraphrased horribly ) , if you look into someone 's eyes , you 're actually looking into their brain .
Our current level of understanding and experience with neurobiology precludes brain transplants , which in turn precludes eye transplants .
Until we have that kind of knowledge , I do n't see how any kind of eye replacement , whether via transplant or some kind of bionic prosthesis , will be possible .
Of course , IANANB ( I Am Not A Neurobiologist ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding has always been that doing things like eye transplants are currently impossible, because the eye directly integrates with the brain -- the retina blends into the optic nerve which blends into the brain.
As Neal Stephenson said in Snow Crash (paraphrased horribly), if you look into someone's eyes, you're actually looking into their brain.
Our current level of understanding and experience with neurobiology precludes brain transplants, which in turn precludes eye transplants.
Until we have that kind of knowledge, I don't see how any kind of eye replacement, whether via transplant or some kind of bionic prosthesis, will be possible.
Of course, IANANB (I Am Not A Neurobiologist).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28189523</id>
	<title>Took long enough...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243945080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's about goddamn time.</p><p>We have the biotech and computer tech to go almost full cyborg but the medical industry is still pissing around with procedures invented in the Middle Ages.</p><p>Remember how everybody blasted Christopher Reeve for doing the standing-up commercial? If we had seriously pursued medical bionics  in the 90's he might have actually walked before he died. The fact that we still don't have the medical methods in place to do that really pisses me off...</p><p>Tissue regeneration and bionics is where medicine should be headed, and fast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's about goddamn time.We have the biotech and computer tech to go almost full cyborg but the medical industry is still pissing around with procedures invented in the Middle Ages.Remember how everybody blasted Christopher Reeve for doing the standing-up commercial ?
If we had seriously pursued medical bionics in the 90 's he might have actually walked before he died .
The fact that we still do n't have the medical methods in place to do that really pisses me off...Tissue regeneration and bionics is where medicine should be headed , and fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's about goddamn time.We have the biotech and computer tech to go almost full cyborg but the medical industry is still pissing around with procedures invented in the Middle Ages.Remember how everybody blasted Christopher Reeve for doing the standing-up commercial?
If we had seriously pursued medical bionics  in the 90's he might have actually walked before he died.
The fact that we still don't have the medical methods in place to do that really pisses me off...Tissue regeneration and bionics is where medicine should be headed, and fast.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28189181</id>
	<title>Part of the "2020 summit"</title>
	<author>Goonie</author>
	<datestamp>1243943340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This proposal has a bit of a backstory to it.</p><p>Last year, the newly-elected Australian government held something called the "2020 summit".  The idea was to bring together 1000 of Australia's "best and brightest" - think academics, businesspeople, a smattering of celebrities including Hugh Jackman and Cate Blanchett (for the arts subtrack) to discuss ideas for Australia;s future.  After two days of discussion, they came up with a list of suggestions.</p><p>Unfortunately, the government didn't like most of them.  Some of them were genuinely bad, but a lot the government didn't like because they would have required bullet-biting..  But to show that the whole exercise is worthwhile, the government has seized on the easy, cheap, uncontroversial tidbits and is promoting them heavily.  Like this bionic eye.</p><p>While it won't be of much interest to Slashdot, another one likely to get publicized over the next little while is the proposal to build a research center to record the environmental expertise of the various Aboriginal peoples of Australia.  Not that it's a bad idea, but it's the kind of thing that a government can do with pocket change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This proposal has a bit of a backstory to it.Last year , the newly-elected Australian government held something called the " 2020 summit " .
The idea was to bring together 1000 of Australia 's " best and brightest " - think academics , businesspeople , a smattering of celebrities including Hugh Jackman and Cate Blanchett ( for the arts subtrack ) to discuss ideas for Australia ; s future .
After two days of discussion , they came up with a list of suggestions.Unfortunately , the government did n't like most of them .
Some of them were genuinely bad , but a lot the government did n't like because they would have required bullet-biting.. But to show that the whole exercise is worthwhile , the government has seized on the easy , cheap , uncontroversial tidbits and is promoting them heavily .
Like this bionic eye.While it wo n't be of much interest to Slashdot , another one likely to get publicized over the next little while is the proposal to build a research center to record the environmental expertise of the various Aboriginal peoples of Australia .
Not that it 's a bad idea , but it 's the kind of thing that a government can do with pocket change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This proposal has a bit of a backstory to it.Last year, the newly-elected Australian government held something called the "2020 summit".
The idea was to bring together 1000 of Australia's "best and brightest" - think academics, businesspeople, a smattering of celebrities including Hugh Jackman and Cate Blanchett (for the arts subtrack) to discuss ideas for Australia;s future.
After two days of discussion, they came up with a list of suggestions.Unfortunately, the government didn't like most of them.
Some of them were genuinely bad, but a lot the government didn't like because they would have required bullet-biting..  But to show that the whole exercise is worthwhile, the government has seized on the easy, cheap, uncontroversial tidbits and is promoting them heavily.
Like this bionic eye.While it won't be of much interest to Slashdot, another one likely to get publicized over the next little while is the proposal to build a research center to record the environmental expertise of the various Aboriginal peoples of Australia.
Not that it's a bad idea, but it's the kind of thing that a government can do with pocket change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28186761</id>
	<title>Re:we don't need a "bionic eye"</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1243975980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The retina does more than just act like a CCD sensor - there are special neurons dedicated to basic tasks like motion detection, edge detection, contrast detection. While there are 100 million rods/cones in each eye, there are only around 1.2 million nerve fibres. Simulating this compression/conversion process in the past required a supercomputer and today requires a GPU card. To package a CCD sensor/GPU chip and VRAM into an eyeball sized package is going to be a big challenge.</p><p>Figuring out what a single layer of cells in either the brain or the retina does, usually leads to dozens of papers being published and add a feature or two to a digital camera (automatic motion compensation, auto-focus, auto-white-balance, auto-shutter speed, auto-face recognition). Some mobile phones can do auto-text-to-speech or auto-barcode-reading-to-webpage loading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The retina does more than just act like a CCD sensor - there are special neurons dedicated to basic tasks like motion detection , edge detection , contrast detection .
While there are 100 million rods/cones in each eye , there are only around 1.2 million nerve fibres .
Simulating this compression/conversion process in the past required a supercomputer and today requires a GPU card .
To package a CCD sensor/GPU chip and VRAM into an eyeball sized package is going to be a big challenge.Figuring out what a single layer of cells in either the brain or the retina does , usually leads to dozens of papers being published and add a feature or two to a digital camera ( automatic motion compensation , auto-focus , auto-white-balance , auto-shutter speed , auto-face recognition ) .
Some mobile phones can do auto-text-to-speech or auto-barcode-reading-to-webpage loading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The retina does more than just act like a CCD sensor - there are special neurons dedicated to basic tasks like motion detection, edge detection, contrast detection.
While there are 100 million rods/cones in each eye, there are only around 1.2 million nerve fibres.
Simulating this compression/conversion process in the past required a supercomputer and today requires a GPU card.
To package a CCD sensor/GPU chip and VRAM into an eyeball sized package is going to be a big challenge.Figuring out what a single layer of cells in either the brain or the retina does, usually leads to dozens of papers being published and add a feature or two to a digital camera (automatic motion compensation, auto-focus, auto-white-balance, auto-shutter speed, auto-face recognition).
Some mobile phones can do auto-text-to-speech or auto-barcode-reading-to-webpage loading.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28183379</id>
	<title>Re:$50M for an Eye...Really?</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1243961340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Supposedly there are 50,000 blind people in Australia.</p><p>http://www.bca.org.au/natpol/statistics/2005\_Blind\_Stats\_num\_and\_perc\_by\_State\_Territory\_CERA.htm</p><p>$50,000,000 breaks down to $1000/blind person.</p><p>I'd guess that the cost in social services to help blind people probably exceeds $1000/yr per person (i.e. well over $50,000,000). Therefore it would make economic sense to cure blindness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Supposedly there are 50,000 blind people in Australia.http : //www.bca.org.au/natpol/statistics/2005 \ _Blind \ _Stats \ _num \ _and \ _perc \ _by \ _State \ _Territory \ _CERA.htm $ 50,000,000 breaks down to $ 1000/blind person.I 'd guess that the cost in social services to help blind people probably exceeds $ 1000/yr per person ( i.e .
well over $ 50,000,000 ) .
Therefore it would make economic sense to cure blindness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Supposedly there are 50,000 blind people in Australia.http://www.bca.org.au/natpol/statistics/2005\_Blind\_Stats\_num\_and\_perc\_by\_State\_Territory\_CERA.htm$50,000,000 breaks down to $1000/blind person.I'd guess that the cost in social services to help blind people probably exceeds $1000/yr per person (i.e.
well over $50,000,000).
Therefore it would make economic sense to cure blindness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182867</id>
	<title>Cops Are Theives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243959540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>Cops Are Theives</b></p><p>Fuck the police.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cops Are TheivesFuck the police .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cops Are TheivesFuck the police.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_02_1435250.28182893</id>
	<title>Lee Majors is spinning in his grave.</title>
	<author>IV-Swamp</author>
	<datestamp>1243959600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For shame USA. Our 70's TV future predictions are not panning out. Looks like the first Bionic Man/Woman will be saying cheesy things like "G'day".</htmltext>
<tokenext>For shame USA .
Our 70 's TV future predictions are not panning out .
Looks like the first Bionic Man/Woman will be saying cheesy things like " G'day " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For shame USA.
Our 70's TV future predictions are not panning out.
Looks like the first Bionic Man/Woman will be saying cheesy things like "G'day".</sentencetext>
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