<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_01_1917231</id>
	<title>Google Set To Tackle eBook Market</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1243848420000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://quicktrivia.com/" rel="nofollow">Mike</a> writes <i>"Google's latest decision to <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/165829/google\_plans\_to\_enter\_the\_ebook\_business.html?tk=rel\_news">try its hand selling eBooks</a> promises to make life in the eBook world more interesting, and will likely spur a standards war that in the end may <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/165840/googles\_ebook\_business\_will\_create\_standards\_war.html">prove beneficial</a> to many consumers. Google's eBook store will pit it directly against Amazon and Amazon's Kindle &mdash; an enormously popular eBook reader. This will push many companies to create eBook readers to take advantage of Google's new store, and will flood the market with tough choices. Google does not have a dedicated eBook reader yet, but it seems a logical next step for the search giant."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mike writes " Google 's latest decision to try its hand selling eBooks promises to make life in the eBook world more interesting , and will likely spur a standards war that in the end may prove beneficial to many consumers .
Google 's eBook store will pit it directly against Amazon and Amazon 's Kindle    an enormously popular eBook reader .
This will push many companies to create eBook readers to take advantage of Google 's new store , and will flood the market with tough choices .
Google does not have a dedicated eBook reader yet , but it seems a logical next step for the search giant .
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<sentencetext>Mike writes "Google's latest decision to try its hand selling eBooks promises to make life in the eBook world more interesting, and will likely spur a standards war that in the end may prove beneficial to many consumers.
Google's eBook store will pit it directly against Amazon and Amazon's Kindle — an enormously popular eBook reader.
This will push many companies to create eBook readers to take advantage of Google's new store, and will flood the market with tough choices.
Google does not have a dedicated eBook reader yet, but it seems a logical next step for the search giant.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174765</id>
	<title>Fatality!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243855020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Format war?</p><p>PDF wins. It's free, implemented on all platforms, and does everything you need. It even does Javascript, which nobody needs.</p><p>Well, that was a fun war. Let's fight video formats now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Format war ? PDF wins .
It 's free , implemented on all platforms , and does everything you need .
It even does Javascript , which nobody needs.Well , that was a fun war .
Let 's fight video formats now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Format war?PDF wins.
It's free, implemented on all platforms, and does everything you need.
It even does Javascript, which nobody needs.Well, that was a fun war.
Let's fight video formats now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174279</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>ubrgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1243852980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Google is not a hardware company.<br> <br>
Neither is Amazon and you'll get my Kindle when you pry it from my cold, dead hands... <br> <br>Seriously, I don't care who sells them so long as they offer the content I want and the cost is right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Google is not a hardware company .
Neither is Amazon and you 'll get my Kindle when you pry it from my cold , dead hands... Seriously , I do n't care who sells them so long as they offer the content I want and the cost is right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Google is not a hardware company.
Neither is Amazon and you'll get my Kindle when you pry it from my cold, dead hands...  Seriously, I don't care who sells them so long as they offer the content I want and the cost is right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28176485</id>
	<title>Netbook + FBreader</title>
	<author>greg.collver</author>
	<datestamp>1243866360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For my money, the 10" netbooks plus FBreader makes a great book reader. (Add Sage and you have a great offline dictionary too)</htmltext>
<tokenext>For my money , the 10 " netbooks plus FBreader makes a great book reader .
( Add Sage and you have a great offline dictionary too )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For my money, the 10" netbooks plus FBreader makes a great book reader.
(Add Sage and you have a great offline dictionary too)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175745</id>
	<title>Re:Cost</title>
	<author>Arthur Grumbine</author>
	<datestamp>1243860720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> 400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people, <b>even during the best of times.</b> </p></div><p>And during the blurst of times the quality of the writing is so low it's not worth buying the books.
<br> <br>
I swear it's like they get a bunch of monkeys to write these things...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people , even during the best of times .
And during the blurst of times the quality of the writing is so low it 's not worth buying the books .
I swear it 's like they get a bunch of monkeys to write these things.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people, even during the best of times.
And during the blurst of times the quality of the writing is so low it's not worth buying the books.
I swear it's like they get a bunch of monkeys to write these things...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28179607</id>
	<title>Re:Not too happy with my Kindle</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1243941900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a scientific calculator that requires a connection to mains power.</p><p>Sure it's old, but it's still a calculator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a scientific calculator that requires a connection to mains power.Sure it 's old , but it 's still a calculator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a scientific calculator that requires a connection to mains power.Sure it's old, but it's still a calculator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175239</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need stores?</title>
	<author>et764</author>
	<datestamp>1243857540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm probably missing something obvious, but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer.

It seems to me cheaper and more efficient for the publisher of a book (or the author himself) to provide downloads directly.</p></div><p>One benefit I can see is that it gives you a single place to go get books from. I don't have to remember the web sites for 100 authors, or 50 publishers. Instead, I can just remember a single site which aggregates all the books together. Sure, I'll end up paying a higher monetary cost due to the middleman, but presumably the time cost savings is enough to me that it is worthwhile.</p><p>It's sort like having an iPhone App Store instead of hundreds of independent software publishers to download from. Another benefit is that the App Store provides common payment processing infrastructure, which keeps the cost of implementing this from being duplicated for every software publisher.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm probably missing something obvious , but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer .
It seems to me cheaper and more efficient for the publisher of a book ( or the author himself ) to provide downloads directly.One benefit I can see is that it gives you a single place to go get books from .
I do n't have to remember the web sites for 100 authors , or 50 publishers .
Instead , I can just remember a single site which aggregates all the books together .
Sure , I 'll end up paying a higher monetary cost due to the middleman , but presumably the time cost savings is enough to me that it is worthwhile.It 's sort like having an iPhone App Store instead of hundreds of independent software publishers to download from .
Another benefit is that the App Store provides common payment processing infrastructure , which keeps the cost of implementing this from being duplicated for every software publisher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm probably missing something obvious, but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer.
It seems to me cheaper and more efficient for the publisher of a book (or the author himself) to provide downloads directly.One benefit I can see is that it gives you a single place to go get books from.
I don't have to remember the web sites for 100 authors, or 50 publishers.
Instead, I can just remember a single site which aggregates all the books together.
Sure, I'll end up paying a higher monetary cost due to the middleman, but presumably the time cost savings is enough to me that it is worthwhile.It's sort like having an iPhone App Store instead of hundreds of independent software publishers to download from.
Another benefit is that the App Store provides common payment processing infrastructure, which keeps the cost of implementing this from being duplicated for every software publisher.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28182469</id>
	<title>Re:Forget about proprietary eBook formats</title>
	<author>Brian Stretch</author>
	<datestamp>1243958280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Kindle DX reads<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdf's natively, which was enough to get me to order one.  I have a lot of eBook<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdf's purchased from Pragmatic, Manning, Packt, etc. who long ago figured out that the most effective DRM is simply embedding the purchaser's name in the files.</p><p>A quick Google search shows that there are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.chm to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdf converters available.  I have some old Microsoft eBook's in that format, now that you mention it.</p><p>Now that I'm acutely aware of eye strain problems, Kindle's e-ink screen looks like a really good idea.  So the voices in my head agreed to call the Kindle DX a medical and educational device and authorized the purchase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Kindle DX reads .pdf 's natively , which was enough to get me to order one .
I have a lot of eBook .pdf 's purchased from Pragmatic , Manning , Packt , etc .
who long ago figured out that the most effective DRM is simply embedding the purchaser 's name in the files.A quick Google search shows that there are .chm to .pdf converters available .
I have some old Microsoft eBook 's in that format , now that you mention it.Now that I 'm acutely aware of eye strain problems , Kindle 's e-ink screen looks like a really good idea .
So the voices in my head agreed to call the Kindle DX a medical and educational device and authorized the purchase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Kindle DX reads .pdf's natively, which was enough to get me to order one.
I have a lot of eBook .pdf's purchased from Pragmatic, Manning, Packt, etc.
who long ago figured out that the most effective DRM is simply embedding the purchaser's name in the files.A quick Google search shows that there are .chm to .pdf converters available.
I have some old Microsoft eBook's in that format, now that you mention it.Now that I'm acutely aware of eye strain problems, Kindle's e-ink screen looks like a really good idea.
So the voices in my head agreed to call the Kindle DX a medical and educational device and authorized the purchase.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175801</id>
	<title>Speaking of Kindle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243861020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kindle has no future, here is why:</p><p>By the time Kindle become popular, the cost of tablet PCs will be much lower than what it is today.</p><p>Why buy a ebook reader when you can get a full featured tablet pc, same size, low price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kindle has no future , here is why : By the time Kindle become popular , the cost of tablet PCs will be much lower than what it is today.Why buy a ebook reader when you can get a full featured tablet pc , same size , low price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kindle has no future, here is why:By the time Kindle become popular, the cost of tablet PCs will be much lower than what it is today.Why buy a ebook reader when you can get a full featured tablet pc, same size, low price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28181345</id>
	<title>Reflow</title>
	<author>krischik</author>
	<datestamp>1243954320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But does not do reflow which is needed for ultra portable devices - like mobile phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But does not do reflow which is needed for ultra portable devices - like mobile phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But does not do reflow which is needed for ultra portable devices - like mobile phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28176581</id>
	<title>Re:This is like...</title>
	<author>JohnBailey</author>
	<datestamp>1243867200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>AmazonMP3 trying to compete with Itunes.

Few will hear about the new store, and even fewer will switch.</p></div><p>The RDF is strong in this one..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>AmazonMP3 trying to compete with Itunes .
Few will hear about the new store , and even fewer will switch.The RDF is strong in this one. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AmazonMP3 trying to compete with Itunes.
Few will hear about the new store, and even fewer will switch.The RDF is strong in this one..
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28176193</id>
	<title>Re:Forget about proprietary eBook formats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243863900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The eBook device you describe is <a href="http://www.mybebook.com/" title="mybebook.com" rel="nofollow">BeBook</a> [mybebook.com]. It costs 300 EUR and reads PDF, DjVu, JPG, PNG, GIF, TXT, DOC, EPUB, Mobi PRC, HTML, CHM, LIT, FB2, and many other formats. It is Linux-based and the firmware is open-source, but there is also <a href="http://www.openinkpot.org/" title="openinkpot.org" rel="nofollow">OpenInkpot</a> [openinkpot.org] which is openly hackable so you can even write your own reader for whatever format you want. Plus, the device works all over the world, and it accepts an SDHC card up to 32GB, but it also has 512MB of flash memory built-in. its battery lasts for about one month (yes, it's a 4 weeks battery!) and fully charges via USB within half an hour. Much better, the company that makes the firmware allows you to communicate with the software programmers and request features, fixes, etc yourself for the next version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The eBook device you describe is BeBook [ mybebook.com ] .
It costs 300 EUR and reads PDF , DjVu , JPG , PNG , GIF , TXT , DOC , EPUB , Mobi PRC , HTML , CHM , LIT , FB2 , and many other formats .
It is Linux-based and the firmware is open-source , but there is also OpenInkpot [ openinkpot.org ] which is openly hackable so you can even write your own reader for whatever format you want .
Plus , the device works all over the world , and it accepts an SDHC card up to 32GB , but it also has 512MB of flash memory built-in .
its battery lasts for about one month ( yes , it 's a 4 weeks battery !
) and fully charges via USB within half an hour .
Much better , the company that makes the firmware allows you to communicate with the software programmers and request features , fixes , etc yourself for the next version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The eBook device you describe is BeBook [mybebook.com].
It costs 300 EUR and reads PDF, DjVu, JPG, PNG, GIF, TXT, DOC, EPUB, Mobi PRC, HTML, CHM, LIT, FB2, and many other formats.
It is Linux-based and the firmware is open-source, but there is also OpenInkpot [openinkpot.org] which is openly hackable so you can even write your own reader for whatever format you want.
Plus, the device works all over the world, and it accepts an SDHC card up to 32GB, but it also has 512MB of flash memory built-in.
its battery lasts for about one month (yes, it's a 4 weeks battery!
) and fully charges via USB within half an hour.
Much better, the company that makes the firmware allows you to communicate with the software programmers and request features, fixes, etc yourself for the next version.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174077</id>
	<title>Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243852140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I seem to remember people saying the same thing about cell phones, but Google is not a hardware company. I'd look for an API and not much else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I seem to remember people saying the same thing about cell phones , but Google is not a hardware company .
I 'd look for an API and not much else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seem to remember people saying the same thing about cell phones, but Google is not a hardware company.
I'd look for an API and not much else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28181597</id>
	<title>Re:Forget about proprietary eBook formats</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1243955400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own.</p></div><p> If they don't have DRM on them, you can use products like Libre' to change their format to whatever your eBook reader reads. If they are DRM'd, you'll need to find a reader that reads that format.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>They are in PDF and some on CHM format.</p></div><p> Most all will read PDFs. If they are the "fixed sized" PDFs look for a large screen and something with good pan/zoom features (Sony 700 or new large kindle). If they are the "Digitial Editions" type PDFs, they can be read natively in sony 505 and 700 readers.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If I am going to spend $300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price.</p></div><p> That depends on your needs. My ebook reader lasts more than a week on a charge... tens of hours of actual reading at the speed I can read. How about your netbook?</p><p>My epaper display is very easy to read on the beach. How about the netbook?</p><p>My ebook is thinner than a pencil, weighs less than a pount, and fits in the hip-pockets on my BDUs. Your netbook?</p><p>And in the case of the Kindle (which I don't have), one can download news and books on the fly from anywhere there's cell service, and automatically store/retrieve books through the cell system.</p><p>Of course your netbook can do things my ebook cannot. Play games for example. It also likely has a color display. I'm likely to get a netbook in the near future; but it won't replact my ebook reader.</p><p>You can read ebooks on a netbook. I can browse the web on my ebook reader. In neither case to I find those thoughts ideal. They have different specialities and meet the needs of different people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own .
If they do n't have DRM on them , you can use products like Libre ' to change their format to whatever your eBook reader reads .
If they are DRM 'd , you 'll need to find a reader that reads that format.They are in PDF and some on CHM format .
Most all will read PDFs .
If they are the " fixed sized " PDFs look for a large screen and something with good pan/zoom features ( Sony 700 or new large kindle ) .
If they are the " Digitial Editions " type PDFs , they can be read natively in sony 505 and 700 readers.If I am going to spend $ 300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price .
That depends on your needs .
My ebook reader lasts more than a week on a charge... tens of hours of actual reading at the speed I can read .
How about your netbook ? My epaper display is very easy to read on the beach .
How about the netbook ? My ebook is thinner than a pencil , weighs less than a pount , and fits in the hip-pockets on my BDUs .
Your netbook ? And in the case of the Kindle ( which I do n't have ) , one can download news and books on the fly from anywhere there 's cell service , and automatically store/retrieve books through the cell system.Of course your netbook can do things my ebook can not .
Play games for example .
It also likely has a color display .
I 'm likely to get a netbook in the near future ; but it wo n't replact my ebook reader.You can read ebooks on a netbook .
I can browse the web on my ebook reader .
In neither case to I find those thoughts ideal .
They have different specialities and meet the needs of different people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own.
If they don't have DRM on them, you can use products like Libre' to change their format to whatever your eBook reader reads.
If they are DRM'd, you'll need to find a reader that reads that format.They are in PDF and some on CHM format.
Most all will read PDFs.
If they are the "fixed sized" PDFs look for a large screen and something with good pan/zoom features (Sony 700 or new large kindle).
If they are the "Digitial Editions" type PDFs, they can be read natively in sony 505 and 700 readers.If I am going to spend $300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price.
That depends on your needs.
My ebook reader lasts more than a week on a charge... tens of hours of actual reading at the speed I can read.
How about your netbook?My epaper display is very easy to read on the beach.
How about the netbook?My ebook is thinner than a pencil, weighs less than a pount, and fits in the hip-pockets on my BDUs.
Your netbook?And in the case of the Kindle (which I don't have), one can download news and books on the fly from anywhere there's cell service, and automatically store/retrieve books through the cell system.Of course your netbook can do things my ebook cannot.
Play games for example.
It also likely has a color display.
I'm likely to get a netbook in the near future; but it won't replact my ebook reader.You can read ebooks on a netbook.
I can browse the web on my ebook reader.
In neither case to I find those thoughts ideal.
They have different specialities and meet the needs of different people.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175707</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need stores?</title>
	<author>centuren</author>
	<datestamp>1243860360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm probably missing something obvious, but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer.</p></div><p>I think the obvious is having a centralised source for the search and discovery of content. It's my impression that many independent artists benefit from music stores such as iTunes which have a large user base and can lead interested consumers to the music.</p><p>I think the biggest benefit of both physical and online book stores that sell physical books is that they provide consumers with a place to browse books and find things they would not have otherwise.</p><p>That isn't to say one shouldn't have both options, but the store has it's benefits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm probably missing something obvious , but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer.I think the obvious is having a centralised source for the search and discovery of content .
It 's my impression that many independent artists benefit from music stores such as iTunes which have a large user base and can lead interested consumers to the music.I think the biggest benefit of both physical and online book stores that sell physical books is that they provide consumers with a place to browse books and find things they would not have otherwise.That is n't to say one should n't have both options , but the store has it 's benefits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm probably missing something obvious, but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer.I think the obvious is having a centralised source for the search and discovery of content.
It's my impression that many independent artists benefit from music stores such as iTunes which have a large user base and can lead interested consumers to the music.I think the biggest benefit of both physical and online book stores that sell physical books is that they provide consumers with a place to browse books and find things they would not have otherwise.That isn't to say one shouldn't have both options, but the store has it's benefits.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174807</id>
	<title>As long as....</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1243855200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as its a proper program, which can be download on its own, without having to be forced to install services and other bloated crap on your system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as its a proper program , which can be download on its own , without having to be forced to install services and other bloated crap on your system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as its a proper program, which can be download on its own, without having to be forced to install services and other bloated crap on your system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174193</id>
	<title>Re:This is like...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243852620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except they can make it part of android. Then any company can build a dedicated ebook reader and existing android devices can have access to the store.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except they can make it part of android .
Then any company can build a dedicated ebook reader and existing android devices can have access to the store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except they can make it part of android.
Then any company can build a dedicated ebook reader and existing android devices can have access to the store.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174089</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174553</id>
	<title>Forget about proprietary eBook formats</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1243854120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own.</p><p>They are in PDF and some on CHM format.</p><p>If I am going to spend $300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own.They are in PDF and some on CHM format.If I am going to spend $ 300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own.They are in PDF and some on CHM format.If I am going to spend $300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174607</id>
	<title>Re:This is like...</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1243854360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet Amazon's mp3 store is a lot more popular with the (reasonably large) portion of the market without iPods than iTunes is.  <br> <br>
Who cares about switching?  Amazon went for new users.  Google can do the same.  How many people do you know who buy books digitally?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet Amazon 's mp3 store is a lot more popular with the ( reasonably large ) portion of the market without iPods than iTunes is .
Who cares about switching ?
Amazon went for new users .
Google can do the same .
How many people do you know who buy books digitally ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet Amazon's mp3 store is a lot more popular with the (reasonably large) portion of the market without iPods than iTunes is.
Who cares about switching?
Amazon went for new users.
Google can do the same.
How many people do you know who buy books digitally?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174089</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174983</id>
	<title>Re:This is like...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243856100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
In 2008, 87\% of people who bought music online used the iTunes Music store.  16\% used Amazon.  (The numbers don't add up because 3\% or so used both).
</p><p>
Long story short: "reasonably large" is a lot smaller than you think and you lost the bet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 2008 , 87 \ % of people who bought music online used the iTunes Music store .
16 \ % used Amazon .
( The numbers do n't add up because 3 \ % or so used both ) .
Long story short : " reasonably large " is a lot smaller than you think and you lost the bet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
In 2008, 87\% of people who bought music online used the iTunes Music store.
16\% used Amazon.
(The numbers don't add up because 3\% or so used both).
Long story short: "reasonably large" is a lot smaller than you think and you lost the bet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174607</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174713</id>
	<title>Re:Cost</title>
	<author>QuantumG</author>
	<datestamp>1243854840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that they don't work outside the US and Canada is probably a bigger problem.</p><p>But yes, if they were $200 and worked here (Australia) I'd probably buy one.</p><p>Even though that's like my yearly book budget.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that they do n't work outside the US and Canada is probably a bigger problem.But yes , if they were $ 200 and worked here ( Australia ) I 'd probably buy one.Even though that 's like my yearly book budget .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that they don't work outside the US and Canada is probably a bigger problem.But yes, if they were $200 and worked here (Australia) I'd probably buy one.Even though that's like my yearly book budget.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28182589</id>
	<title>Re:Cost</title>
	<author>Chelloveck</author>
	<datestamp>1243958640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Lets hope they can bring the price down to 'every man'. 400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people, even during the best of times.</p></div></blockquote><p>Let's hope they publish in some standard non-DRM'd format, like Baen does. That way it won't matter whether or not you buy their reader; you'll be able to read the book on any moderately capable piece of hardware.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets hope they can bring the price down to 'every man' .
400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people , even during the best of times.Let 's hope they publish in some standard non-DRM 'd format , like Baen does .
That way it wo n't matter whether or not you buy their reader ; you 'll be able to read the book on any moderately capable piece of hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets hope they can bring the price down to 'every man'.
400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people, even during the best of times.Let's hope they publish in some standard non-DRM'd format, like Baen does.
That way it won't matter whether or not you buy their reader; you'll be able to read the book on any moderately capable piece of hardware.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28179487</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>garphik</author>
	<datestamp>1243940700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can do all that, but the real question is will it work out?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They can do all that , but the real question is will it work out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can do all that, but the real question is will it work out?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174077</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28176049</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need stores?</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1243862700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a lot of the same reasons that people go to real world stores.<br>Why would I even look for your book. A google search on Science Fiction Books would be less than useful.  Even a search for C++ books would probably not do very well.<br>But I can go to Amazon and search for those and maybe find your book. If that book gets good reviews I might buy it. Or it may be on sale and I would figure why not give it a shot.</p><p>For authors it will probably mean more sales. It also means they don't have to collect the money and deal with those issues. Then you have sales tax reporting... Have you ever sold anything? Oh let me tell you it is a pain.<br>And then you have to worry about securing your website and dealing with that. Keeping it up dated and all that fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a lot of the same reasons that people go to real world stores.Why would I even look for your book .
A google search on Science Fiction Books would be less than useful .
Even a search for C + + books would probably not do very well.But I can go to Amazon and search for those and maybe find your book .
If that book gets good reviews I might buy it .
Or it may be on sale and I would figure why not give it a shot.For authors it will probably mean more sales .
It also means they do n't have to collect the money and deal with those issues .
Then you have sales tax reporting... Have you ever sold anything ?
Oh let me tell you it is a pain.And then you have to worry about securing your website and dealing with that .
Keeping it up dated and all that fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a lot of the same reasons that people go to real world stores.Why would I even look for your book.
A google search on Science Fiction Books would be less than useful.
Even a search for C++ books would probably not do very well.But I can go to Amazon and search for those and maybe find your book.
If that book gets good reviews I might buy it.
Or it may be on sale and I would figure why not give it a shot.For authors it will probably mean more sales.
It also means they don't have to collect the money and deal with those issues.
Then you have sales tax reporting... Have you ever sold anything?
Oh let me tell you it is a pain.And then you have to worry about securing your website and dealing with that.
Keeping it up dated and all that fun.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175053</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28176337</id>
	<title>PDF is a print format</title>
	<author>Homburg</author>
	<datestamp>1243865160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PDF is a terrible format for ebooks. It's designed to instruct a printer how to draw on paper of a specifc, fixed size. An ebook format needs to deal with different screen sizes (possibly wildly different - I read ebooks on my 1280x800 laptop screen and my 177x220 phone screen) and different text sizes (my long-sighted father is going to want larger text in his ebooks than I do). PDF doesn't allow for the kind of reflow that a good ebook reader is going to employ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PDF is a terrible format for ebooks .
It 's designed to instruct a printer how to draw on paper of a specifc , fixed size .
An ebook format needs to deal with different screen sizes ( possibly wildly different - I read ebooks on my 1280x800 laptop screen and my 177x220 phone screen ) and different text sizes ( my long-sighted father is going to want larger text in his ebooks than I do ) .
PDF does n't allow for the kind of reflow that a good ebook reader is going to employ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PDF is a terrible format for ebooks.
It's designed to instruct a printer how to draw on paper of a specifc, fixed size.
An ebook format needs to deal with different screen sizes (possibly wildly different - I read ebooks on my 1280x800 laptop screen and my 177x220 phone screen) and different text sizes (my long-sighted father is going to want larger text in his ebooks than I do).
PDF doesn't allow for the kind of reflow that a good ebook reader is going to employ.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174765</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175573</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Brother Seamus</author>
	<datestamp>1243859400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Believe me, Kindle is enormously popular with paid shills and astroturfers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Believe me , Kindle is enormously popular with paid shills and astroturfers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Believe me, Kindle is enormously popular with paid shills and astroturfers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175719</id>
	<title>i can see it now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243860420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>along the right side of each page in the ebook.... yep "ads by google"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>along the right side of each page in the ebook.... yep " ads by google " : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>along the right side of each page in the ebook.... yep "ads by google" :D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28177335</id>
	<title>More DRM Free Publishers</title>
	<author>Nakor BlueRider</author>
	<datestamp>1243873680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best change I can imagine for eBooks would be more DRM-free publishers.  The only reason I even buy eBooks is that I discovered Fictionwise legitimately sold many of their eBooks DRM-free.  But many publishers still don't allow it, and that is what I'd like to see change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best change I can imagine for eBooks would be more DRM-free publishers .
The only reason I even buy eBooks is that I discovered Fictionwise legitimately sold many of their eBooks DRM-free .
But many publishers still do n't allow it , and that is what I 'd like to see change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best change I can imagine for eBooks would be more DRM-free publishers.
The only reason I even buy eBooks is that I discovered Fictionwise legitimately sold many of their eBooks DRM-free.
But many publishers still don't allow it, and that is what I'd like to see change.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175091</id>
	<title>Re:Not too happy with my Kindle</title>
	<author>AmigaHeretic</author>
	<datestamp>1243856700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>eBook readers take so little power.  Why don't they have a solar cell in them like calculators.</p><p>I mean, 20 years ago they used to give away crappy calculators everywhere with those little solar cells in them.  Now a generation later, little solar cells should be in all devices like eBook readers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>eBook readers take so little power .
Why do n't they have a solar cell in them like calculators.I mean , 20 years ago they used to give away crappy calculators everywhere with those little solar cells in them .
Now a generation later , little solar cells should be in all devices like eBook readers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eBook readers take so little power.
Why don't they have a solar cell in them like calculators.I mean, 20 years ago they used to give away crappy calculators everywhere with those little solar cells in them.
Now a generation later, little solar cells should be in all devices like eBook readers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174173</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175069</id>
	<title>baen has no drm</title>
	<author>rico33</author>
	<datestamp>1243856580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been buying ebooks directly from the publisher Baen:
www.baen.com
For 4 years now. There prices are reasonable $7.99 for a typical release of book that is available in hard cover or 5.99 for a book that is available in paper back.

They release the books in multiple formats including HTML. So the books that I bought 4 years ago and read with my palm I can now download again to my iphone and continue to read it.

The prices are reasonable so I do not even think about looking for alternative sources for the book *cough bittorrent cough*

I have been extremely happy with there products. I just wish other publishers would follow suit so I can continue buying ebooks of other authors that I enjoy.

Curiously I just sent an email to Amazon.ca early today at how (since I am in Canada) I cannot get the kindle app or kindle books and how I have not bought any books from them for 4 years because I only buy ebooks.

Well everyone says that the customer should decide and I have decided to only buy books as ebooks and I prefer without drm; baen meets those requirements so they get my business and thus far they are my sole source of fantasy/science fiction books that I have bought in the last 4 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been buying ebooks directly from the publisher Baen : www.baen.com For 4 years now .
There prices are reasonable $ 7.99 for a typical release of book that is available in hard cover or 5.99 for a book that is available in paper back .
They release the books in multiple formats including HTML .
So the books that I bought 4 years ago and read with my palm I can now download again to my iphone and continue to read it .
The prices are reasonable so I do not even think about looking for alternative sources for the book * cough bittorrent cough * I have been extremely happy with there products .
I just wish other publishers would follow suit so I can continue buying ebooks of other authors that I enjoy .
Curiously I just sent an email to Amazon.ca early today at how ( since I am in Canada ) I can not get the kindle app or kindle books and how I have not bought any books from them for 4 years because I only buy ebooks .
Well everyone says that the customer should decide and I have decided to only buy books as ebooks and I prefer without drm ; baen meets those requirements so they get my business and thus far they are my sole source of fantasy/science fiction books that I have bought in the last 4 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been buying ebooks directly from the publisher Baen:
www.baen.com
For 4 years now.
There prices are reasonable $7.99 for a typical release of book that is available in hard cover or 5.99 for a book that is available in paper back.
They release the books in multiple formats including HTML.
So the books that I bought 4 years ago and read with my palm I can now download again to my iphone and continue to read it.
The prices are reasonable so I do not even think about looking for alternative sources for the book *cough bittorrent cough*

I have been extremely happy with there products.
I just wish other publishers would follow suit so I can continue buying ebooks of other authors that I enjoy.
Curiously I just sent an email to Amazon.ca early today at how (since I am in Canada) I cannot get the kindle app or kindle books and how I have not bought any books from them for 4 years because I only buy ebooks.
Well everyone says that the customer should decide and I have decided to only buy books as ebooks and I prefer without drm; baen meets those requirements so they get my business and thus far they are my sole source of fantasy/science fiction books that I have bought in the last 4 years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174031</id>
	<title>First GNAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243852020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gay Niggers Association of America.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gay Niggers Association of America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gay Niggers Association of America.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28176475</id>
	<title>Re:The real questions is:</title>
	<author>Whillowhim</author>
	<datestamp>1243866240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the major question, and I can't seem to find any info about it.  If the books are sold without DRM Google is in a position to force other online publishers to follow suit, but at the same time fewer publishers will want to list books with Google (due to percieved losses from piracy).  It seems like more publishers are wising up to the fact that DRM is only hurting them, but there is still a long way to go before all books are available in non-DRMed formats. I suspect that Google will end up using the middle ground again and allow publishers to choose whether the books are DRMed or not, which means that all the major publishers will continue to try to make DRM work.</p><p>The basic issue is that all major eBook readers can handle a large number of non-DRMed files, but only 1 DRM format.  If you can't find the book in that specific DRM format, you're out of luck.  Typically, these are specific to the company that puts out the reader (i.e. Amazon's kindle format, Sony's reader format, etc.).  The Sony store is expensive and has a limited selection.  Amazon has a much better selection, but not perfect and is often expensive as well.  Fictionwise has a mediocre selection (seems to be better than Sony in my area of interest), but their DRM doesn't work with the two most common kinds of ebook readers (the Sony and Amazon ones).</p><p>Since they're not going to put out their own version of an ebook reader, I'm hoping that Google will go without DRM so that I can use their store with my Sony Reader.  If not, I'll end up pirating books again and end up with free but often badly formatted books after spending 4-5x as much time looking for the book as I would with a proper store.  I've already tapped out Baen's back catalog of interesting books (spent close to $1k getting the ones that looked interesting) and I read books faster than they can publish them. I'm willing to buy books online, I just can't find someone to take my money and give me something that works.  Yes, this frustrates the hell out of me.  I refuse to buy books then pirate them because it sends the signal that DRM is acceptable.  If you're going to make me spend time looking for crappily formatted books due to fear I'm going to steal something, I'm not going to pay you for it.  I don't like the fact that this means authors don't get paid, but I'm more than happy with the fact that publishers don't get paid because of this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the major question , and I ca n't seem to find any info about it .
If the books are sold without DRM Google is in a position to force other online publishers to follow suit , but at the same time fewer publishers will want to list books with Google ( due to percieved losses from piracy ) .
It seems like more publishers are wising up to the fact that DRM is only hurting them , but there is still a long way to go before all books are available in non-DRMed formats .
I suspect that Google will end up using the middle ground again and allow publishers to choose whether the books are DRMed or not , which means that all the major publishers will continue to try to make DRM work.The basic issue is that all major eBook readers can handle a large number of non-DRMed files , but only 1 DRM format .
If you ca n't find the book in that specific DRM format , you 're out of luck .
Typically , these are specific to the company that puts out the reader ( i.e .
Amazon 's kindle format , Sony 's reader format , etc. ) .
The Sony store is expensive and has a limited selection .
Amazon has a much better selection , but not perfect and is often expensive as well .
Fictionwise has a mediocre selection ( seems to be better than Sony in my area of interest ) , but their DRM does n't work with the two most common kinds of ebook readers ( the Sony and Amazon ones ) .Since they 're not going to put out their own version of an ebook reader , I 'm hoping that Google will go without DRM so that I can use their store with my Sony Reader .
If not , I 'll end up pirating books again and end up with free but often badly formatted books after spending 4-5x as much time looking for the book as I would with a proper store .
I 've already tapped out Baen 's back catalog of interesting books ( spent close to $ 1k getting the ones that looked interesting ) and I read books faster than they can publish them .
I 'm willing to buy books online , I just ca n't find someone to take my money and give me something that works .
Yes , this frustrates the hell out of me .
I refuse to buy books then pirate them because it sends the signal that DRM is acceptable .
If you 're going to make me spend time looking for crappily formatted books due to fear I 'm going to steal something , I 'm not going to pay you for it .
I do n't like the fact that this means authors do n't get paid , but I 'm more than happy with the fact that publishers do n't get paid because of this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the major question, and I can't seem to find any info about it.
If the books are sold without DRM Google is in a position to force other online publishers to follow suit, but at the same time fewer publishers will want to list books with Google (due to percieved losses from piracy).
It seems like more publishers are wising up to the fact that DRM is only hurting them, but there is still a long way to go before all books are available in non-DRMed formats.
I suspect that Google will end up using the middle ground again and allow publishers to choose whether the books are DRMed or not, which means that all the major publishers will continue to try to make DRM work.The basic issue is that all major eBook readers can handle a large number of non-DRMed files, but only 1 DRM format.
If you can't find the book in that specific DRM format, you're out of luck.
Typically, these are specific to the company that puts out the reader (i.e.
Amazon's kindle format, Sony's reader format, etc.).
The Sony store is expensive and has a limited selection.
Amazon has a much better selection, but not perfect and is often expensive as well.
Fictionwise has a mediocre selection (seems to be better than Sony in my area of interest), but their DRM doesn't work with the two most common kinds of ebook readers (the Sony and Amazon ones).Since they're not going to put out their own version of an ebook reader, I'm hoping that Google will go without DRM so that I can use their store with my Sony Reader.
If not, I'll end up pirating books again and end up with free but often badly formatted books after spending 4-5x as much time looking for the book as I would with a proper store.
I've already tapped out Baen's back catalog of interesting books (spent close to $1k getting the ones that looked interesting) and I read books faster than they can publish them.
I'm willing to buy books online, I just can't find someone to take my money and give me something that works.
Yes, this frustrates the hell out of me.
I refuse to buy books then pirate them because it sends the signal that DRM is acceptable.
If you're going to make me spend time looking for crappily formatted books due to fear I'm going to steal something, I'm not going to pay you for it.
I don't like the fact that this means authors don't get paid, but I'm more than happy with the fact that publishers don't get paid because of this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174261</id>
	<title>Sony's eReader...</title>
	<author>Lockblade</author>
	<datestamp>1243852860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how this will affect their deal with Sony and their ebook store. It's not like they can just take their toys and go home, as there's probably a contract or two, but I'm sure no one would mind replacing the awful Sony store interface.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how this will affect their deal with Sony and their ebook store .
It 's not like they can just take their toys and go home , as there 's probably a contract or two , but I 'm sure no one would mind replacing the awful Sony store interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how this will affect their deal with Sony and their ebook store.
It's not like they can just take their toys and go home, as there's probably a contract or two, but I'm sure no one would mind replacing the awful Sony store interface.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28194069</id>
	<title>Re:This is like...</title>
	<author>jecblackpepper</author>
	<datestamp>1244035080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course since the Kindle is only available in USA, then Google could corner the market in the rest of the world!</p><p>I have a Bookeen Cybook and live in the UK. If I could buy and read "Kindle Edition" books on it then I'd agree with you, but Amazon have specifically decided that they won't sell them to me. If Google offer a service that allows me to buy books from them at a reasonable price then they'll get my custom.</p><p>Presently I buy from Baen because of their enlightened attitude about DRM (and of course because I enjoy the books they publish).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course since the Kindle is only available in USA , then Google could corner the market in the rest of the world ! I have a Bookeen Cybook and live in the UK .
If I could buy and read " Kindle Edition " books on it then I 'd agree with you , but Amazon have specifically decided that they wo n't sell them to me .
If Google offer a service that allows me to buy books from them at a reasonable price then they 'll get my custom.Presently I buy from Baen because of their enlightened attitude about DRM ( and of course because I enjoy the books they publish ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course since the Kindle is only available in USA, then Google could corner the market in the rest of the world!I have a Bookeen Cybook and live in the UK.
If I could buy and read "Kindle Edition" books on it then I'd agree with you, but Amazon have specifically decided that they won't sell them to me.
If Google offer a service that allows me to buy books from them at a reasonable price then they'll get my custom.Presently I buy from Baen because of their enlightened attitude about DRM (and of course because I enjoy the books they publish).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174083</id>
	<title>android/touch screen?</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1243852200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if anyone else sees the possibility of using android's API's for touch screen to make devices to for ebooks? Not that I like the ebook market or care for it, but it certainly seems logical.</p><p>If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if anyone else sees the possibility of using android 's API 's for touch screen to make devices to for ebooks ?
Not that I like the ebook market or care for it , but it certainly seems logical.If I am wrong , please feel free to correct me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if anyone else sees the possibility of using android's API's for touch screen to make devices to for ebooks?
Not that I like the ebook market or care for it, but it certainly seems logical.If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175929</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1243861800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I see it first as an Android App.<br>I have a Kindle but I honestly use my iPod Touch more. At night the screen is back lit for reading in bed when my wife is asleep. I always have it with me. And I just don't think the kindle is that much better for reading books.<br>Now when I can get an 8"x11" color ebook reader all bets are off. I would love to get Cycle World, Rider, Motorcyclist, and Motortrend on the Kindle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I see it first as an Android App.I have a Kindle but I honestly use my iPod Touch more .
At night the screen is back lit for reading in bed when my wife is asleep .
I always have it with me .
And I just do n't think the kindle is that much better for reading books.Now when I can get an 8 " x11 " color ebook reader all bets are off .
I would love to get Cycle World , Rider , Motorcyclist , and Motortrend on the Kindle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I see it first as an Android App.I have a Kindle but I honestly use my iPod Touch more.
At night the screen is back lit for reading in bed when my wife is asleep.
I always have it with me.
And I just don't think the kindle is that much better for reading books.Now when I can get an 8"x11" color ebook reader all bets are off.
I would love to get Cycle World, Rider, Motorcyclist, and Motortrend on the Kindle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175015</id>
	<title>Re:Not too happy with my Kindle</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1243856220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you misread the ending.  I read the same book.<br> <br>[SPOILER ALERT]<br> <br>The killer's name really was Low Battery.<br> <br>Low had tried to frame his brother the rapper, 9V.  But the power required to electrocute the victim was too high -- and 9V demonstrated he had full charge by having the detective place both his contacts on his tongue.  While 9V lost a lot of street cred for getting tongued by a male detective, it did show that he was fully-charged and quite innocent.<br> <br>So then Low Battery tried to frame his sister, Anita Agatha Battery, but AA Battery simply didn't have the brute power necessary for the job.<br> <br>Out of blood relatives (and it had to be one of the siblings, as established by DC-NA testing), by process of elimination, it was Low Battery who depleted his power by committing the electrocution, with terminal results.<br> <br>So sorry.  That last pun was just over the top.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you misread the ending .
I read the same book .
[ SPOILER ALERT ] The killer 's name really was Low Battery .
Low had tried to frame his brother the rapper , 9V .
But the power required to electrocute the victim was too high -- and 9V demonstrated he had full charge by having the detective place both his contacts on his tongue .
While 9V lost a lot of street cred for getting tongued by a male detective , it did show that he was fully-charged and quite innocent .
So then Low Battery tried to frame his sister , Anita Agatha Battery , but AA Battery simply did n't have the brute power necessary for the job .
Out of blood relatives ( and it had to be one of the siblings , as established by DC-NA testing ) , by process of elimination , it was Low Battery who depleted his power by committing the electrocution , with terminal results .
So sorry .
That last pun was just over the top .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you misread the ending.
I read the same book.
[SPOILER ALERT] The killer's name really was Low Battery.
Low had tried to frame his brother the rapper, 9V.
But the power required to electrocute the victim was too high -- and 9V demonstrated he had full charge by having the detective place both his contacts on his tongue.
While 9V lost a lot of street cred for getting tongued by a male detective, it did show that he was fully-charged and quite innocent.
So then Low Battery tried to frame his sister, Anita Agatha Battery, but AA Battery simply didn't have the brute power necessary for the job.
Out of blood relatives (and it had to be one of the siblings, as established by DC-NA testing), by process of elimination, it was Low Battery who depleted his power by committing the electrocution, with terminal results.
So sorry.
That last pun was just over the top.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28179785</id>
	<title>Competing with Stanza?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243944000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are they getting ready to complete with Stanza on the iPhone by releasing an ebook app for the Android?  Stanza, incidently, has just been purchased by Amazon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they getting ready to complete with Stanza on the iPhone by releasing an ebook app for the Android ?
Stanza , incidently , has just been purchased by Amazon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they getting ready to complete with Stanza on the iPhone by releasing an ebook app for the Android?
Stanza, incidently, has just been purchased by Amazon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28178249</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking of Kindle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243884660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the love of humanity, how many times does this have to be said:</p><p>LCD != eInk</p><p>LCD = Backlit screen which is bad for your eyes!<br>eInk = No backlight, similar experience to reading normal paper</p><p>The two are not interchangeable - not even close!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the love of humanity , how many times does this have to be said : LCD ! = eInkLCD = Backlit screen which is bad for your eyes ! eInk = No backlight , similar experience to reading normal paperThe two are not interchangeable - not even close !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the love of humanity, how many times does this have to be said:LCD != eInkLCD = Backlit screen which is bad for your eyes!eInk = No backlight, similar experience to reading normal paperThe two are not interchangeable - not even close!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28179611</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need stores?</title>
	<author>Saysys</author>
	<datestamp>1243942020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ol>
<li>Serendipity,</li><li>Social function of limited network search</li><li>Minimum standards set by the publisher</li><li>Proper classification and identification</li><li>Easy review repository</li></ol><p>
Serendipity: The ability to have your book 'accidentally' run into while the customer is looking at another book of interest to him or her is very valuable.<br> <br>
Social function of limited network search: Each person has a mental network of exploitable functions, be they computer, intellectual, inter-personal. When individuals lack full ability to find everything whenever they want they employ these functions.<br> Some have a cost of time, others have a cost of money, still others cost some amount of your moral swaysion. <br> <br>
Minimum standards set by the publisher: The trust necessary to spend money on data is increased when someone who has been known to do good work has looked over the work and passed it for publication.<br> <br>
Proper Classification and Identification: Imagine if books categories where chosen by the authors alone? Sense we know that each book can and does fit into multiple categories then without a store to keep things organized we would quickly see whatever system by which they are self-categorized go the way of the meta-tag in the early internet.<br> <br>
Easy review repository: Even if I am buying a product from somewhere else I often use the Amazon or Newegg reviews from users so that I can get a gist of weather people like or dislike the product and if the reason for negative reviews are systemic flaw or there the presence of a PFBKC (problem found between keyboard and chair).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Serendipity,Social function of limited network searchMinimum standards set by the publisherProper classification and identificationEasy review repository Serendipity : The ability to have your book 'accidentally ' run into while the customer is looking at another book of interest to him or her is very valuable .
Social function of limited network search : Each person has a mental network of exploitable functions , be they computer , intellectual , inter-personal .
When individuals lack full ability to find everything whenever they want they employ these functions .
Some have a cost of time , others have a cost of money , still others cost some amount of your moral swaysion .
Minimum standards set by the publisher : The trust necessary to spend money on data is increased when someone who has been known to do good work has looked over the work and passed it for publication .
Proper Classification and Identification : Imagine if books categories where chosen by the authors alone ?
Sense we know that each book can and does fit into multiple categories then without a store to keep things organized we would quickly see whatever system by which they are self-categorized go the way of the meta-tag in the early internet .
Easy review repository : Even if I am buying a product from somewhere else I often use the Amazon or Newegg reviews from users so that I can get a gist of weather people like or dislike the product and if the reason for negative reviews are systemic flaw or there the presence of a PFBKC ( problem found between keyboard and chair ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Serendipity,Social function of limited network searchMinimum standards set by the publisherProper classification and identificationEasy review repository
Serendipity: The ability to have your book 'accidentally' run into while the customer is looking at another book of interest to him or her is very valuable.
Social function of limited network search: Each person has a mental network of exploitable functions, be they computer, intellectual, inter-personal.
When individuals lack full ability to find everything whenever they want they employ these functions.
Some have a cost of time, others have a cost of money, still others cost some amount of your moral swaysion.
Minimum standards set by the publisher: The trust necessary to spend money on data is increased when someone who has been known to do good work has looked over the work and passed it for publication.
Proper Classification and Identification: Imagine if books categories where chosen by the authors alone?
Sense we know that each book can and does fit into multiple categories then without a store to keep things organized we would quickly see whatever system by which they are self-categorized go the way of the meta-tag in the early internet.
Easy review repository: Even if I am buying a product from somewhere else I often use the Amazon or Newegg reviews from users so that I can get a gist of weather people like or dislike the product and if the reason for negative reviews are systemic flaw or there the presence of a PFBKC (problem found between keyboard and chair).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28179161</id>
	<title>Re:i can see it now</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1243937100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could be more interesting than that. Say, the name of the soft drink the main character sips in the scene changes over time, and depends on the highest bidder at the moment...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could be more interesting than that .
Say , the name of the soft drink the main character sips in the scene changes over time , and depends on the highest bidder at the moment.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could be more interesting than that.
Say, the name of the soft drink the main character sips in the scene changes over time, and depends on the highest bidder at the moment...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175325</id>
	<title>Re:The real questions is:</title>
	<author>TheMCP</author>
	<datestamp>1243857960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I have it? It apparently supports PDF, TXT, RTF, EPUB, LIT, PPT, WOLF, DOC, CHM, FB2, HTML, DJVU, MP3, TIFF, JPG, GIF, BMP, PNG, RAR, ZIP, and MOBI. I can get pretty much any book I want in one of those formats or something that can be converted into one of them by Calibre or Stanza Desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I have it ?
It apparently supports PDF , TXT , RTF , EPUB , LIT , PPT , WOLF , DOC , CHM , FB2 , HTML , DJVU , MP3 , TIFF , JPG , GIF , BMP , PNG , RAR , ZIP , and MOBI .
I can get pretty much any book I want in one of those formats or something that can be converted into one of them by Calibre or Stanza Desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I have it?
It apparently supports PDF, TXT, RTF, EPUB, LIT, PPT, WOLF, DOC, CHM, FB2, HTML, DJVU, MP3, TIFF, JPG, GIF, BMP, PNG, RAR, ZIP, and MOBI.
I can get pretty much any book I want in one of those formats or something that can be converted into one of them by Calibre or Stanza Desktop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175053</id>
	<title>Why do we need stores?</title>
	<author>N7DR</author>
	<datestamp>1243856460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm probably missing something obvious, but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer.</p><p>It seems to me cheaper and more efficient for the publisher of a book (or the author himself) to provide downloads directly.</p><p>For physical products, it makes sense to provide some kind of middleman to take care of the hassles involved with delivering the product; but for electronic products, it's not at all obvious to me why such a middleman is necessary.</p><p>As an author, I'm still struggling with the question of whether to make electronic versions of my books available; but if were to do so, (and especially having carefully read the contract that Amazon makes you sign to make your work available for the Kindle) I wouldn't be inclined to insert another profit-making entity between me and my readers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm probably missing something obvious , but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer.It seems to me cheaper and more efficient for the publisher of a book ( or the author himself ) to provide downloads directly.For physical products , it makes sense to provide some kind of middleman to take care of the hassles involved with delivering the product ; but for electronic products , it 's not at all obvious to me why such a middleman is necessary.As an author , I 'm still struggling with the question of whether to make electronic versions of my books available ; but if were to do so , ( and especially having carefully read the contract that Amazon makes you sign to make your work available for the Kindle ) I would n't be inclined to insert another profit-making entity between me and my readers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm probably missing something obvious, but I have yet to understand why we need to insert a middleman store into the chain between producer and consumer.It seems to me cheaper and more efficient for the publisher of a book (or the author himself) to provide downloads directly.For physical products, it makes sense to provide some kind of middleman to take care of the hassles involved with delivering the product; but for electronic products, it's not at all obvious to me why such a middleman is necessary.As an author, I'm still struggling with the question of whether to make electronic versions of my books available; but if were to do so, (and especially having carefully read the contract that Amazon makes you sign to make your work available for the Kindle) I wouldn't be inclined to insert another profit-making entity between me and my readers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174649</id>
	<title>As it will be forever a beta...</title>
	<author>mr\_lizard13</author>
	<datestamp>1243854600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>...it will only sell unfinished books</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it will only sell unfinished books</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it will only sell unfinished books</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28182959</id>
	<title>Re:Cost</title>
	<author>JasonKChapman</author>
	<datestamp>1243959900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using a Sony Reader for a couple of years (since the PRS-500 came out) and have yet to use Sony's store. Why should I, when places like FictionWise exist?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using a Sony Reader for a couple of years ( since the PRS-500 came out ) and have yet to use Sony 's store .
Why should I , when places like FictionWise exist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using a Sony Reader for a couple of years (since the PRS-500 came out) and have yet to use Sony's store.
Why should I, when places like FictionWise exist?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174317</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1243853100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Google is not a hardware company. I'd look for an API and not much else.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Came here to say something like this.<br> <br>Since it's already been said, let me clarify:<br> <br>Google will not make a proprietary e-book reader.  They want their wares on as many machines as possible.  Whether it's firmware, applications, 'appliances', or whatever.  Eyeballs == data == better targeting of ads == higher profits on ad sales.<br> <br>Releasing an e-book reader themselves pitches them squarely against the very companies they want to be using their wares, to enable them to sling ads to <b>everyone</b>.<br> <br>Google is an advertising behemoth.  For all the neat-o things they produce and we use, they exist to make money by slinging ads at people.  Every business move they make should be considered in light of the fact that they will choose the route that nets them the most eyeballs -- and in this case, this means making an API or firmware for other companies to use.  They do not want to alienate ad targets who use other e-book readers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google is not a hardware company .
I 'd look for an API and not much else .
Came here to say something like this .
Since it 's already been said , let me clarify : Google will not make a proprietary e-book reader .
They want their wares on as many machines as possible .
Whether it 's firmware , applications , 'appliances ' , or whatever .
Eyeballs = = data = = better targeting of ads = = higher profits on ad sales .
Releasing an e-book reader themselves pitches them squarely against the very companies they want to be using their wares , to enable them to sling ads to everyone .
Google is an advertising behemoth .
For all the neat-o things they produce and we use , they exist to make money by slinging ads at people .
Every business move they make should be considered in light of the fact that they will choose the route that nets them the most eyeballs -- and in this case , this means making an API or firmware for other companies to use .
They do not want to alienate ad targets who use other e-book readers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google is not a hardware company.
I'd look for an API and not much else.
Came here to say something like this.
Since it's already been said, let me clarify: Google will not make a proprietary e-book reader.
They want their wares on as many machines as possible.
Whether it's firmware, applications, 'appliances', or whatever.
Eyeballs == data == better targeting of ads == higher profits on ad sales.
Releasing an e-book reader themselves pitches them squarely against the very companies they want to be using their wares, to enable them to sling ads to everyone.
Google is an advertising behemoth.
For all the neat-o things they produce and we use, they exist to make money by slinging ads at people.
Every business move they make should be considered in light of the fact that they will choose the route that nets them the most eyeballs -- and in this case, this means making an API or firmware for other companies to use.
They do not want to alienate ad targets who use other e-book readers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174247</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243852800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Amazon's Kindle  an enormously popular eBook reader.</p></div><p>
I'm not sure the description "enormously popular" is deserved.  Just because it is out selling other eBook readers doesn't make it "enormously popular"; how many of these have actually sold?<br> <br>
It doesn't seem that the eBook market has really expanded to the point of anything yet being worthy of the "enormously popular" status, AFAIK.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon 's Kindle an enormously popular eBook reader .
I 'm not sure the description " enormously popular " is deserved .
Just because it is out selling other eBook readers does n't make it " enormously popular " ; how many of these have actually sold ?
It does n't seem that the eBook market has really expanded to the point of anything yet being worthy of the " enormously popular " status , AFAIK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon's Kindle  an enormously popular eBook reader.
I'm not sure the description "enormously popular" is deserved.
Just because it is out selling other eBook readers doesn't make it "enormously popular"; how many of these have actually sold?
It doesn't seem that the eBook market has really expanded to the point of anything yet being worthy of the "enormously popular" status, AFAIK.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175631</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>centuren</author>
	<datestamp>1243859820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Amazon's Kindle  an enormously popular eBook reader.</p></div><p>I'm not sure the description "enormously popular" is deserved.  Just because it is out selling other eBook readers doesn't make it "enormously popular"; how many of these have actually sold?</p><p>It doesn't seem that the eBook market has really expanded to the point of anything yet being worthy of the "enormously popular" status, AFAIK.</p></div><p>I may not call it "enormously popular", but I'd definitely say it's an "enormously popular eBook reader". Semantics, as someone else pointed out, but I think the latter statement indicates the market in which the popularity assessment is being made, and is a fair way to look at things that is relevant to the conversation topic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon 's Kindle an enormously popular eBook reader.I 'm not sure the description " enormously popular " is deserved .
Just because it is out selling other eBook readers does n't make it " enormously popular " ; how many of these have actually sold ? It does n't seem that the eBook market has really expanded to the point of anything yet being worthy of the " enormously popular " status , AFAIK.I may not call it " enormously popular " , but I 'd definitely say it 's an " enormously popular eBook reader " .
Semantics , as someone else pointed out , but I think the latter statement indicates the market in which the popularity assessment is being made , and is a fair way to look at things that is relevant to the conversation topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon's Kindle  an enormously popular eBook reader.I'm not sure the description "enormously popular" is deserved.
Just because it is out selling other eBook readers doesn't make it "enormously popular"; how many of these have actually sold?It doesn't seem that the eBook market has really expanded to the point of anything yet being worthy of the "enormously popular" status, AFAIK.I may not call it "enormously popular", but I'd definitely say it's an "enormously popular eBook reader".
Semantics, as someone else pointed out, but I think the latter statement indicates the market in which the popularity assessment is being made, and is a fair way to look at things that is relevant to the conversation topic.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28178775</id>
	<title>Its the software stupid!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243975620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has anyone noticed a small thing called stanza? Or maybe the store that started of the whole thing back in the 90s, fictionwise and the palm reader? Small device (then palm now iphone) == eBook happiness...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone noticed a small thing called stanza ?
Or maybe the store that started of the whole thing back in the 90s , fictionwise and the palm reader ?
Small device ( then palm now iphone ) = = eBook happiness.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone noticed a small thing called stanza?
Or maybe the store that started of the whole thing back in the 90s, fictionwise and the palm reader?
Small device (then palm now iphone) == eBook happiness...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174881</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1243855500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's hope this solves the standards problem as effectively as java, javascript, html, xhtml, and flash did for browser development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's hope this solves the standards problem as effectively as java , javascript , html , xhtml , and flash did for browser development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's hope this solves the standards problem as effectively as java, javascript, html, xhtml, and flash did for browser development.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28177677</id>
	<title>One word</title>
	<author>scream at the sky</author>
	<datestamp>1243876860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Android...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Android.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28177463</id>
	<title>Should raise some eyebrows at DOJ</title>
	<author>dbkluck</author>
	<datestamp>1243874700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Beneficial to many consumers?  Healthy competition?  Maybe in the short run, but what about the pending Book Search settlement?  If that gets approved in its current form, Google gets <a href="http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/04/googles-book-settlement-delayed-as-resistance-appears.ars" title="arstechnica.com" rel="nofollow">exclusive access</a> [arstechnica.com] to scan and digitize millions of orphan works.  Even if the settlement eventually gets cut back somewhat, Google has an enormous head start in its catalog from the books it's scanned already.  Is there any doubt that the eBook format it chooses to market this huge selection of digital books will easily crush all other competitors?  TFA seems to suggest that Google is planning on selling these eBooks only in cooperation with publishers and not from its settlement spoils at the moment, but given the potential to leverage the settlement monopoly to monopolize the market for eBooks and eReaders, I would be pretty surprised if this announcement doesn't pique the interest of the Justice Department.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Beneficial to many consumers ?
Healthy competition ?
Maybe in the short run , but what about the pending Book Search settlement ?
If that gets approved in its current form , Google gets exclusive access [ arstechnica.com ] to scan and digitize millions of orphan works .
Even if the settlement eventually gets cut back somewhat , Google has an enormous head start in its catalog from the books it 's scanned already .
Is there any doubt that the eBook format it chooses to market this huge selection of digital books will easily crush all other competitors ?
TFA seems to suggest that Google is planning on selling these eBooks only in cooperation with publishers and not from its settlement spoils at the moment , but given the potential to leverage the settlement monopoly to monopolize the market for eBooks and eReaders , I would be pretty surprised if this announcement does n't pique the interest of the Justice Department .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beneficial to many consumers?
Healthy competition?
Maybe in the short run, but what about the pending Book Search settlement?
If that gets approved in its current form, Google gets exclusive access [arstechnica.com] to scan and digitize millions of orphan works.
Even if the settlement eventually gets cut back somewhat, Google has an enormous head start in its catalog from the books it's scanned already.
Is there any doubt that the eBook format it chooses to market this huge selection of digital books will easily crush all other competitors?
TFA seems to suggest that Google is planning on selling these eBooks only in cooperation with publishers and not from its settlement spoils at the moment, but given the potential to leverage the settlement monopoly to monopolize the market for eBooks and eReaders, I would be pretty surprised if this announcement doesn't pique the interest of the Justice Department.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28178159</id>
	<title>Amazon is not the only one.</title>
	<author>krischik</author>
	<datestamp>1243883220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazon is not the only eBook store in existence. And while Amazon is a international company there eBooks are only sold in the the US. You should consider other eBook stores. I suggest Fictionwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon is not the only eBook store in existence .
And while Amazon is a international company there eBooks are only sold in the the US .
You should consider other eBook stores .
I suggest Fictionwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon is not the only eBook store in existence.
And while Amazon is a international company there eBooks are only sold in the the US.
You should consider other eBook stores.
I suggest Fictionwise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175837</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>jeffgtr</author>
	<datestamp>1243861200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree, no hardware from Google. And finally, we may have ebooks that work across multiple devices. 2 things have kept me away from the Kindle. Proprietary format which goes both ways I don't want my reader or my books tied to just one company. Secondly proper handling of pdf's. I have so much documentation in pdf format and I long for an affordable e paper device that does pdf. Truly the whole ebook thing can't happen fast enough for me.

One thing for sure, I have more faith in Google getting it right than say microsoft. Books are way to important to have microsofts hand in it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , no hardware from Google .
And finally , we may have ebooks that work across multiple devices .
2 things have kept me away from the Kindle .
Proprietary format which goes both ways I do n't want my reader or my books tied to just one company .
Secondly proper handling of pdf 's .
I have so much documentation in pdf format and I long for an affordable e paper device that does pdf .
Truly the whole ebook thing ca n't happen fast enough for me .
One thing for sure , I have more faith in Google getting it right than say microsoft .
Books are way to important to have microsofts hand in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, no hardware from Google.
And finally, we may have ebooks that work across multiple devices.
2 things have kept me away from the Kindle.
Proprietary format which goes both ways I don't want my reader or my books tied to just one company.
Secondly proper handling of pdf's.
I have so much documentation in pdf format and I long for an affordable e paper device that does pdf.
Truly the whole ebook thing can't happen fast enough for me.
One thing for sure, I have more faith in Google getting it right than say microsoft.
Books are way to important to have microsofts hand in it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28179927</id>
	<title>Re:i can see it now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243945200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed, that may be one of the ways they sell books - but if you could pick up older books for free with ads, or the hot new bestseller for $10 or $5 with ads... the ads may not seem so bad any more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , that may be one of the ways they sell books - but if you could pick up older books for free with ads , or the hot new bestseller for $ 10 or $ 5 with ads... the ads may not seem so bad any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, that may be one of the ways they sell books - but if you could pick up older books for free with ads, or the hot new bestseller for $10 or $5 with ads... the ads may not seem so bad any more.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28178171</id>
	<title>Re:Forget about proprietary eBook formats</title>
	<author>hidoh</author>
	<datestamp>1243883460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own.</p><p>They are in PDF and some on CHM format.</p><p>If I am going to spend $300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price.</p></div><p>That is if you are happy to read on a back-lit LCD screen. This is the main advantage of these devices.
I love my electronic ink reader. It's also got a Mobibook and PDF support, so I can read pretty much anything on it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own.They are in PDF and some on CHM format.If I am going to spend $ 300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price.That is if you are happy to read on a back-lit LCD screen .
This is the main advantage of these devices .
I love my electronic ink reader .
It 's also got a Mobibook and PDF support , so I can read pretty much anything on it .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want an eBook device that can read the eBooks I already bought and own.They are in PDF and some on CHM format.If I am going to spend $300 or more for an eBook device I might as well buy a Netbook that can use PDF and CHM formats for the same price.That is if you are happy to read on a back-lit LCD screen.
This is the main advantage of these devices.
I love my electronic ink reader.
It's also got a Mobibook and PDF support, so I can read pretty much anything on it ...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174155</id>
	<title>The real questions is:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243852440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will they be selling books with or withOUT DRM?</p><p>I own a Hanlin V3, and to a great extent stopped using it, as I can't get the books I want for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will they be selling books with or withOUT DRM ? I own a Hanlin V3 , and to a great extent stopped using it , as I ca n't get the books I want for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will they be selling books with or withOUT DRM?I own a Hanlin V3, and to a great extent stopped using it, as I can't get the books I want for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28177995</id>
	<title>Re:Cost</title>
	<author>S.O.B.</author>
	<datestamp>1243880520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Though I don't know if sony puts any country limitations on their store.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>Sony has a separate online store for each country in which it operates and the ebook reader is not available on all of them.</p><p>Also, If you happen to be out of your country and try to update your credit card information on your Sony bookstore account you're out of luck.  They detect your IP and block the update so make sure you update your account or buy all your books before you leave.  I know this because I'm in Thailand for 3 months (I bought the PRS-505 specifically for this trip) and the Sony bookstore for Canada blocked me. I can buy books just not update my credit card info.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Though I do n't know if sony puts any country limitations on their store .
Sony has a separate online store for each country in which it operates and the ebook reader is not available on all of them.Also , If you happen to be out of your country and try to update your credit card information on your Sony bookstore account you 're out of luck .
They detect your IP and block the update so make sure you update your account or buy all your books before you leave .
I know this because I 'm in Thailand for 3 months ( I bought the PRS-505 specifically for this trip ) and the Sony bookstore for Canada blocked me .
I can buy books just not update my credit card info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Though I don't know if sony puts any country limitations on their store.
Sony has a separate online store for each country in which it operates and the ebook reader is not available on all of them.Also, If you happen to be out of your country and try to update your credit card information on your Sony bookstore account you're out of luck.
They detect your IP and block the update so make sure you update your account or buy all your books before you leave.
I know this because I'm in Thailand for 3 months (I bought the PRS-505 specifically for this trip) and the Sony bookstore for Canada blocked me.
I can buy books just not update my credit card info.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174123</id>
	<title>Cost</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1243852320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lets hope they can bring the price down to 'every man'.  400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people, even during the best of times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets hope they can bring the price down to 'every man' .
400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people , even during the best of times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets hope they can bring the price down to 'every man'.
400 for a kindle is pretty steep for a lot people, even during the best of times.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175461</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need stores?</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1243858620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need the publisher less than you need a retailer.</p><p>A publisher (mainly) provides publicity, editing, manufacturing, and, the only thing they are really good at, getting your dead tree into brick&amp;mortars.  You can contract editors, you can do publicity on the internet, and small run print options have almost reached parity with bigger presses.  Most bookstores will even order PoD books now and some even take PoD returns on the theory that if you were interested enough to order it at a store, someone else might be interested enough to make a casual purchase.</p><p>Having your publisher be your store would limit you to people who mainly read books from your publisher, as opposed to readers of your genre.  Doing it directly yourself would be even worse, unless you were already a name.  I'd rather not fill in my CC info on a few hundred authors' websites, or even a dozen publishers'.</p><p>And you probably don't want to have to deal with CC payment processors, especially with the chargeback fees that retailers generally eat for you.  I haven't read the Kindle contract closely, but I don't remember it being as binding as most publishers' contracts.  Their PoD services seemed a little demanding on minimum quantities.</p><p>PS, put your books online, if you are at all popular, otherwise someone else will first. Probably a "fan".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need the publisher less than you need a retailer.A publisher ( mainly ) provides publicity , editing , manufacturing , and , the only thing they are really good at , getting your dead tree into brick&amp;mortars .
You can contract editors , you can do publicity on the internet , and small run print options have almost reached parity with bigger presses .
Most bookstores will even order PoD books now and some even take PoD returns on the theory that if you were interested enough to order it at a store , someone else might be interested enough to make a casual purchase.Having your publisher be your store would limit you to people who mainly read books from your publisher , as opposed to readers of your genre .
Doing it directly yourself would be even worse , unless you were already a name .
I 'd rather not fill in my CC info on a few hundred authors ' websites , or even a dozen publishers'.And you probably do n't want to have to deal with CC payment processors , especially with the chargeback fees that retailers generally eat for you .
I have n't read the Kindle contract closely , but I do n't remember it being as binding as most publishers ' contracts .
Their PoD services seemed a little demanding on minimum quantities.PS , put your books online , if you are at all popular , otherwise someone else will first .
Probably a " fan " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need the publisher less than you need a retailer.A publisher (mainly) provides publicity, editing, manufacturing, and, the only thing they are really good at, getting your dead tree into brick&amp;mortars.
You can contract editors, you can do publicity on the internet, and small run print options have almost reached parity with bigger presses.
Most bookstores will even order PoD books now and some even take PoD returns on the theory that if you were interested enough to order it at a store, someone else might be interested enough to make a casual purchase.Having your publisher be your store would limit you to people who mainly read books from your publisher, as opposed to readers of your genre.
Doing it directly yourself would be even worse, unless you were already a name.
I'd rather not fill in my CC info on a few hundred authors' websites, or even a dozen publishers'.And you probably don't want to have to deal with CC payment processors, especially with the chargeback fees that retailers generally eat for you.
I haven't read the Kindle contract closely, but I don't remember it being as binding as most publishers' contracts.
Their PoD services seemed a little demanding on minimum quantities.PS, put your books online, if you are at all popular, otherwise someone else will first.
Probably a "fan".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28181441</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1243954740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I kind of thought that was an exagerration myself.  Considering Amazon won't tell anyone how many Kindles have sold we can't tell whether it's "enormously popular" at all.  Common sense tells me not that many have been sold, because if Amazon had sold a lot they would be shouting it from the tree tops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I kind of thought that was an exagerration myself .
Considering Amazon wo n't tell anyone how many Kindles have sold we ca n't tell whether it 's " enormously popular " at all .
Common sense tells me not that many have been sold , because if Amazon had sold a lot they would be shouting it from the tree tops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I kind of thought that was an exagerration myself.
Considering Amazon won't tell anyone how many Kindles have sold we can't tell whether it's "enormously popular" at all.
Common sense tells me not that many have been sold, because if Amazon had sold a lot they would be shouting it from the tree tops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175171</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>InlawBiker</author>
	<datestamp>1243857180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All Google needs to do is provide the online marketplace and publish an API.  Then developers can write apps to interface with it - netbooks with WiFi, PDAs or Phones, laptops, Android devices, even iPhone.  Then tablet computers and whatever comes next.</p><p>While Amazon and Sony are busy paying to maintain their hardware support teams, Google can sell books without worrying about any of that.  The marketplace will come up with the devices.  I could envision a simple eInk device that only reads the open formats like ePub and non-DRM PDF.  One of these priced at $149 plus a Google book store would cut Kindle off at the knees.</p><p>Only thought is how they can do this without DRM.  If they use DRM then they're just another shill for the publishers.  But I don't see how the publishers would allow Google to sell books without DRM while forcing it upon Amazon and Sony.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All Google needs to do is provide the online marketplace and publish an API .
Then developers can write apps to interface with it - netbooks with WiFi , PDAs or Phones , laptops , Android devices , even iPhone .
Then tablet computers and whatever comes next.While Amazon and Sony are busy paying to maintain their hardware support teams , Google can sell books without worrying about any of that .
The marketplace will come up with the devices .
I could envision a simple eInk device that only reads the open formats like ePub and non-DRM PDF .
One of these priced at $ 149 plus a Google book store would cut Kindle off at the knees.Only thought is how they can do this without DRM .
If they use DRM then they 're just another shill for the publishers .
But I do n't see how the publishers would allow Google to sell books without DRM while forcing it upon Amazon and Sony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All Google needs to do is provide the online marketplace and publish an API.
Then developers can write apps to interface with it - netbooks with WiFi, PDAs or Phones, laptops, Android devices, even iPhone.
Then tablet computers and whatever comes next.While Amazon and Sony are busy paying to maintain their hardware support teams, Google can sell books without worrying about any of that.
The marketplace will come up with the devices.
I could envision a simple eInk device that only reads the open formats like ePub and non-DRM PDF.
One of these priced at $149 plus a Google book store would cut Kindle off at the knees.Only thought is how they can do this without DRM.
If they use DRM then they're just another shill for the publishers.
But I don't see how the publishers would allow Google to sell books without DRM while forcing it upon Amazon and Sony.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174399</id>
	<title>Who buys these Ebooks?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243853520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously! My g/f has a Kindle, and she has about thousand of books for it.  She maybe "bought" a handful of those.</p><p>Games take up few Gigs and people pirate those.  Movies take up hundreds of MBs and people pirate those.  You think they won't pirate a TXT file that's few MBs in size?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously !
My g/f has a Kindle , and she has about thousand of books for it .
She maybe " bought " a handful of those.Games take up few Gigs and people pirate those .
Movies take up hundreds of MBs and people pirate those .
You think they wo n't pirate a TXT file that 's few MBs in size ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously!
My g/f has a Kindle, and she has about thousand of books for it.
She maybe "bought" a handful of those.Games take up few Gigs and people pirate those.
Movies take up hundreds of MBs and people pirate those.
You think they won't pirate a TXT file that's few MBs in size?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174925</id>
	<title>Re:Not too happy with my Kindle</title>
	<author>omeomi</author>
	<datestamp>1243855800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought one of the main benefits of E-Ink is that it needs no power to maintain the display state...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought one of the main benefits of E-Ink is that it needs no power to maintain the display state.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought one of the main benefits of E-Ink is that it needs no power to maintain the display state...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28176619</id>
	<title>CC1600 media chip PMPs</title>
	<author>Is0m0rph</author>
	<datestamp>1243867560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll keep my non-drm text file books and my Chuwi 7" PMP media player.  There's a good Ebook app out for it and with a 7" screen plus the ability to play a ton of music formats and video formats up to 720p with TV out for $120 I'm happy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll keep my non-drm text file books and my Chuwi 7 " PMP media player .
There 's a good Ebook app out for it and with a 7 " screen plus the ability to play a ton of music formats and video formats up to 720p with TV out for $ 120 I 'm happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll keep my non-drm text file books and my Chuwi 7" PMP media player.
There's a good Ebook app out for it and with a 7" screen plus the ability to play a ton of music formats and video formats up to 720p with TV out for $120 I'm happy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28184353</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need stores?</title>
	<author>WhiteDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1243965660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As an author, I'm still struggling with the question of whether to make electronic versions of my books available; but if were to do so, (and especially having carefully read the contract that Amazon makes you sign to make your work available for the Kindle) I wouldn't be inclined to insert another profit-making entity between me and my readers.</p></div><p>Cory Doctorow has managed to do fairly well selling books with free electronic versions available.  I myself have bought paper editions of his works that I read first as a free download.</p><p>As for the DRM issue, I buy a lot of ebooks to read on my smartphone, including some that use eReader DRM, but it's a pretty light DRM in that the books are just encrypted using a key that I provide.  I can transfer the books to any device, including my laptop, or any other computer, smartphone, etc., and just have to enter the key.  That level of DRM is not crippling, and I don't mind it.  That being said, I'd still rather have DRM-free editions, and buy them when available.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an author , I 'm still struggling with the question of whether to make electronic versions of my books available ; but if were to do so , ( and especially having carefully read the contract that Amazon makes you sign to make your work available for the Kindle ) I would n't be inclined to insert another profit-making entity between me and my readers.Cory Doctorow has managed to do fairly well selling books with free electronic versions available .
I myself have bought paper editions of his works that I read first as a free download.As for the DRM issue , I buy a lot of ebooks to read on my smartphone , including some that use eReader DRM , but it 's a pretty light DRM in that the books are just encrypted using a key that I provide .
I can transfer the books to any device , including my laptop , or any other computer , smartphone , etc. , and just have to enter the key .
That level of DRM is not crippling , and I do n't mind it .
That being said , I 'd still rather have DRM-free editions , and buy them when available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an author, I'm still struggling with the question of whether to make electronic versions of my books available; but if were to do so, (and especially having carefully read the contract that Amazon makes you sign to make your work available for the Kindle) I wouldn't be inclined to insert another profit-making entity between me and my readers.Cory Doctorow has managed to do fairly well selling books with free electronic versions available.
I myself have bought paper editions of his works that I read first as a free download.As for the DRM issue, I buy a lot of ebooks to read on my smartphone, including some that use eReader DRM, but it's a pretty light DRM in that the books are just encrypted using a key that I provide.
I can transfer the books to any device, including my laptop, or any other computer, smartphone, etc., and just have to enter the key.
That level of DRM is not crippling, and I don't mind it.
That being said, I'd still rather have DRM-free editions, and buy them when available.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175555</id>
	<title>Beneficial to consumers?</title>
	<author>sy5t3m</author>
	<datestamp>1243859280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With the DOJ and possibly the EU looking into googles book settlement for antitrust reasons, consumers will not be better off if the settlement is allowed to stand. They never are when dealing with a monopoly.
<br> <br>
If google enters the market as a fair competitor to amazon, then sure, it should lead to lower prices and more choice, but I don't think google is even remotely interested in fair competition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the DOJ and possibly the EU looking into googles book settlement for antitrust reasons , consumers will not be better off if the settlement is allowed to stand .
They never are when dealing with a monopoly .
If google enters the market as a fair competitor to amazon , then sure , it should lead to lower prices and more choice , but I do n't think google is even remotely interested in fair competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the DOJ and possibly the EU looking into googles book settlement for antitrust reasons, consumers will not be better off if the settlement is allowed to stand.
They never are when dealing with a monopoly.
If google enters the market as a fair competitor to amazon, then sure, it should lead to lower prices and more choice, but I don't think google is even remotely interested in fair competition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174173</id>
	<title>Not too happy with my Kindle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243852560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was right at the part of my e-novel where it said: "And the killer's name was....(Low Battery)

Unfortunately, I was sitting on the commode, and could not reach the AC adapter.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was right at the part of my e-novel where it said : " And the killer 's name was.... ( Low Battery ) Unfortunately , I was sitting on the commode , and could not reach the AC adapter .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was right at the part of my e-novel where it said: "And the killer's name was....(Low Battery)

Unfortunately, I was sitting on the commode, and could not reach the AC adapter.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28177103</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1243871400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not sure the description "enormously popular" is deserved. Just because it is out selling other eBook readers doesn't make it "enormously popular"; how many of these have actually sold?</p></div></blockquote><p>Amazon hasn't released any numbers on how many were sold. However, I frequently use the Mom Scale to informally gauge the popularity of a given technology. How it works is like this: if my 65-year-old mom has heard of a piece of technology, then it's popular. If she has purchased or downloaded a piece of technology, then it's enormously popular.</p><p>I found out yesterday that my mom just bought a Kindle, hence the Kindle is enormously popular.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure the description " enormously popular " is deserved .
Just because it is out selling other eBook readers does n't make it " enormously popular " ; how many of these have actually sold ? Amazon has n't released any numbers on how many were sold .
However , I frequently use the Mom Scale to informally gauge the popularity of a given technology .
How it works is like this : if my 65-year-old mom has heard of a piece of technology , then it 's popular .
If she has purchased or downloaded a piece of technology , then it 's enormously popular.I found out yesterday that my mom just bought a Kindle , hence the Kindle is enormously popular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure the description "enormously popular" is deserved.
Just because it is out selling other eBook readers doesn't make it "enormously popular"; how many of these have actually sold?Amazon hasn't released any numbers on how many were sold.
However, I frequently use the Mom Scale to informally gauge the popularity of a given technology.
How it works is like this: if my 65-year-old mom has heard of a piece of technology, then it's popular.
If she has purchased or downloaded a piece of technology, then it's enormously popular.I found out yesterday that my mom just bought a Kindle, hence the Kindle is enormously popular.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175503</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious next step...</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1243858920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Google is not a hardware company</p></div><p>Not strictly true.

<a href="http://www.google.com/enterprise/pdf/gsa\_datasheet.pdf" title="google.com">http://www.google.com/enterprise/pdf/gsa\_datasheet.pdf</a> [google.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google is not a hardware companyNot strictly true .
http : //www.google.com/enterprise/pdf/gsa \ _datasheet.pdf [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google is not a hardware companyNot strictly true.
http://www.google.com/enterprise/pdf/gsa\_datasheet.pdf [google.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28175803</id>
	<title>Re:Cost</title>
	<author>fafaforza</author>
	<datestamp>1243861020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Sony PRS-505 is $250.  There are also a myriad of other eInk readers, with their advantages and faults.  Though I don't know if sony puts any country limitations on their store.  But I use mine mostly for newspapers and converted PDFs.  I got tired of tossing out bags of old newspapers every week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Sony PRS-505 is $ 250 .
There are also a myriad of other eInk readers , with their advantages and faults .
Though I do n't know if sony puts any country limitations on their store .
But I use mine mostly for newspapers and converted PDFs .
I got tired of tossing out bags of old newspapers every week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Sony PRS-505 is $250.
There are also a myriad of other eInk readers, with their advantages and faults.
Though I don't know if sony puts any country limitations on their store.
But I use mine mostly for newspapers and converted PDFs.
I got tired of tossing out bags of old newspapers every week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28179739</id>
	<title>Re:PDF is a print format</title>
	<author>locofungus</author>
	<datestamp>1243943640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are right but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>I convert stuff to LaTeX and then I can convert it to whatever size/format I'm comfortable with.</p><p>Ironically, despite the fact that LaTeX is almost exclusively used in the technical fields, it's almost perfect for novels because there's almost nothing other than plain text required. At the most you might need the odd \part{PART HEADING}, \chapter{CHAPTER HEADING} that isn't just plain text. There are a few odd characters that cannot be used directly - '&amp;' is probably the only one that actually occurs in a typical novel (Oh, and, of course, you don't want to double space your work)</p><p>Here's my default.tex that gets included into anything I want to format for my PRS-505</p><p><b>Well it was here in all it's glory but I cannot waste any more time trying to defeat the "Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 38.3)." so I've joined all the lines together. Hopefully this is equivalent<br></b><br><tt><br>\usepackage{graphics} \usepackage{calc} \usepackage{ifpdf} \newcommand{\dofontscale}[3]{\setlength{#1}{#2 * 10 / \real{#<br>\clearpage \thispagestyle{empty}\%<br>\@tempswafalse \null\vfil \secdef\@part\@spart} \renewcommand\chapter{\clearpage \thispagestyle{empty}\%<br>\@afterindentfalse \secdef\@chapter\@schapter} \def\@makechapterhead#1{\%<br>{\parindent \z@ \raggedright \normalfont \ifnum \c@secnumdepth &gt;\m@ne \if@mainmatter \centering\Large\bfseries \@chapapp<br>\typeout{pdftex: Hy@DestName `#1' `#2' #1.\arabic{Hy@uniquemark}}\%<br>\pdfdest name{#1.\arabic{Hy@uniquemark}}#2\relax } \def\Hy@writebookmark#1#2#3#4#5{\%<br>section number, text, label, level, file \%<br>\typeout{pdftex: writebookmark `#1' `#2' `#3.\arabic{Hy@uniquemark}' `#4' `#5'}\%<br>\ifx\WriteBookmarks\relax\%<br>\else \ifnum#4&gt;\Hy@bookmarksdepth\relax \else \@@writetorep{#1}{#2}{#3.\arabic{Hy@uniquemark}}{#4}{#5}\%<br>\addtocounter{Hy@uniquemark}{1} \fi \fi} \makeatother \newcommand{\misctext}[1]{}<br></tt></p><p>(All that Hy stuff at the end is to fix problems with pdflatex where it cannot correctly handle repeated chapter numbers - e.g. if you have a book with Part I, Part II etc with each part starting with chapter 1 then pdflatex cannot handle it. There are some disadvantages with what I've done - adding a new chapter, section etc causes every link to change name forcing you to run pdflatex twice - but it always works)</p><p>\setsize{8} sets the font size to 8pt. That's the size that comes closest to line lengths approximately the same as a paperback with a comfortable (for me) easy to read font in low light.</p><p>Tim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right but ...I convert stuff to LaTeX and then I can convert it to whatever size/format I 'm comfortable with.Ironically , despite the fact that LaTeX is almost exclusively used in the technical fields , it 's almost perfect for novels because there 's almost nothing other than plain text required .
At the most you might need the odd \ part { PART HEADING } , \ chapter { CHAPTER HEADING } that is n't just plain text .
There are a few odd characters that can not be used directly - '&amp; ' is probably the only one that actually occurs in a typical novel ( Oh , and , of course , you do n't want to double space your work ) Here 's my default.tex that gets included into anything I want to format for my PRS-505Well it was here in all it 's glory but I can not waste any more time trying to defeat the " Your comment has too few characters per line ( currently 38.3 ) .
" so I 've joined all the lines together .
Hopefully this is equivalent \ usepackage { graphics } \ usepackage { calc } \ usepackage { ifpdf } \ newcommand { \ dofontscale } [ 3 ] { \ setlength { # 1 } { # 2 * 10 / \ real { # \ clearpage \ thispagestyle { empty } \ % \ @ tempswafalse \ null \ vfil \ secdef \ @ part \ @ spart } \ renewcommand \ chapter { \ clearpage \ thispagestyle { empty } \ % \ @ afterindentfalse \ secdef \ @ chapter \ @ schapter } \ def \ @ makechapterhead # 1 { \ % { \ parindent \ z @ \ raggedright \ normalfont \ ifnum \ c @ secnumdepth &gt; \ m @ ne \ if @ mainmatter \ centering \ Large \ bfseries \ @ chapapp \ typeout { pdftex : Hy @ DestName ` # 1 ' ` # 2 ' # 1. \ arabic { Hy @ uniquemark } } \ % \ pdfdest name { # 1. \ arabic { Hy @ uniquemark } } # 2 \ relax } \ def \ Hy @ writebookmark # 1 # 2 # 3 # 4 # 5 { \ % section number , text , label , level , file \ % \ typeout { pdftex : writebookmark ` # 1 ' ` # 2 ' ` # 3. \ arabic { Hy @ uniquemark } ' ` # 4 ' ` # 5 ' } \ % \ ifx \ WriteBookmarks \ relax \ % \ else \ ifnum # 4 &gt; \ Hy @ bookmarksdepth \ relax \ else \ @ @ writetorep { # 1 } { # 2 } { # 3. \ arabic { Hy @ uniquemark } } { # 4 } { # 5 } \ % \ addtocounter { Hy @ uniquemark } { 1 } \ fi \ fi } \ makeatother \ newcommand { \ misctext } [ 1 ] { } ( All that Hy stuff at the end is to fix problems with pdflatex where it can not correctly handle repeated chapter numbers - e.g .
if you have a book with Part I , Part II etc with each part starting with chapter 1 then pdflatex can not handle it .
There are some disadvantages with what I 've done - adding a new chapter , section etc causes every link to change name forcing you to run pdflatex twice - but it always works ) \ setsize { 8 } sets the font size to 8pt .
That 's the size that comes closest to line lengths approximately the same as a paperback with a comfortable ( for me ) easy to read font in low light.Tim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right but ...I convert stuff to LaTeX and then I can convert it to whatever size/format I'm comfortable with.Ironically, despite the fact that LaTeX is almost exclusively used in the technical fields, it's almost perfect for novels because there's almost nothing other than plain text required.
At the most you might need the odd \part{PART HEADING}, \chapter{CHAPTER HEADING} that isn't just plain text.
There are a few odd characters that cannot be used directly - '&amp;' is probably the only one that actually occurs in a typical novel (Oh, and, of course, you don't want to double space your work)Here's my default.tex that gets included into anything I want to format for my PRS-505Well it was here in all it's glory but I cannot waste any more time trying to defeat the "Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 38.3).
" so I've joined all the lines together.
Hopefully this is equivalent\usepackage{graphics} \usepackage{calc} \usepackage{ifpdf} \newcommand{\dofontscale}[3]{\setlength{#1}{#2 * 10 / \real{#\clearpage \thispagestyle{empty}\%\@tempswafalse \null\vfil \secdef\@part\@spart} \renewcommand\chapter{\clearpage \thispagestyle{empty}\%\@afterindentfalse \secdef\@chapter\@schapter} \def\@makechapterhead#1{\%{\parindent \z@ \raggedright \normalfont \ifnum \c@secnumdepth &gt;\m@ne \if@mainmatter \centering\Large\bfseries \@chapapp\typeout{pdftex: Hy@DestName `#1' `#2' #1.\arabic{Hy@uniquemark}}\%\pdfdest name{#1.\arabic{Hy@uniquemark}}#2\relax } \def\Hy@writebookmark#1#2#3#4#5{\%section number, text, label, level, file \%\typeout{pdftex: writebookmark `#1' `#2' `#3.\arabic{Hy@uniquemark}' `#4' `#5'}\%\ifx\WriteBookmarks\relax\%\else \ifnum#4&gt;\Hy@bookmarksdepth\relax \else \@@writetorep{#1}{#2}{#3.\arabic{Hy@uniquemark}}{#4}{#5}\%\addtocounter{Hy@uniquemark}{1} \fi \fi} \makeatother \newcommand{\misctext}[1]{}(All that Hy stuff at the end is to fix problems with pdflatex where it cannot correctly handle repeated chapter numbers - e.g.
if you have a book with Part I, Part II etc with each part starting with chapter 1 then pdflatex cannot handle it.
There are some disadvantages with what I've done - adding a new chapter, section etc causes every link to change name forcing you to run pdflatex twice - but it always works)\setsize{8} sets the font size to 8pt.
That's the size that comes closest to line lengths approximately the same as a paperback with a comfortable (for me) easy to read font in low light.Tim.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174089</id>
	<title>This is like...</title>
	<author>XPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1243852200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AmazonMP3 trying to compete with Itunes.</p><p>Few will hear about the new store, and even fewer will switch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AmazonMP3 trying to compete with Itunes.Few will hear about the new store , and even fewer will switch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AmazonMP3 trying to compete with Itunes.Few will hear about the new store, and even fewer will switch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28174695</id>
	<title>eBook Reader? Why bother?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243854780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Buying an eBook reader always seemed impractical to me when you have so many decent smartphones and PDA devices out on the market. Granted, an eBook reader has a larger screen and may be more comfortable to hold, but for the price tag, you could just purchase a better mobile phone and have more features ready at your fingertips. Not to mention the advantage of portability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Buying an eBook reader always seemed impractical to me when you have so many decent smartphones and PDA devices out on the market .
Granted , an eBook reader has a larger screen and may be more comfortable to hold , but for the price tag , you could just purchase a better mobile phone and have more features ready at your fingertips .
Not to mention the advantage of portability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buying an eBook reader always seemed impractical to me when you have so many decent smartphones and PDA devices out on the market.
Granted, an eBook reader has a larger screen and may be more comfortable to hold, but for the price tag, you could just purchase a better mobile phone and have more features ready at your fingertips.
Not to mention the advantage of portability.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28177151</id>
	<title>I thought we knew this already</title>
	<author>Paulminary</author>
	<datestamp>1243871820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>wasn't this announced like two years ago, when they had legal issues about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>was n't this announced like two years ago , when they had legal issues about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wasn't this announced like two years ago, when they had legal issues about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_01_1917231.28178145</id>
	<title>No Kindle outside the US</title>
	<author>krischik</author>
	<datestamp>1243883040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original article seem to focus entirely on a Amazon vs Google battle. But  in that article is missing one point: Kindle is not available outside the US. That is: you need an USA registered Credit Card with a USA address to buy one. Yes there are work around - but why should I support a flawed business model.</p><p>So for me living outside the US I had to look else where for for eBooks. And if you do you will soon notice that there are better eBook reader then Kindle and that there are better eBook shops then Amazon. Amazon is largely capitalising there good name here. In fact currently it is more like Amazon vs the rest of the world.</p><p>For me there is no doubt who is going to win in the long run. While USA is a large marked but it does only represent 5\% of human population. Well, unless Amazon changes there business model that is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original article seem to focus entirely on a Amazon vs Google battle .
But in that article is missing one point : Kindle is not available outside the US .
That is : you need an USA registered Credit Card with a USA address to buy one .
Yes there are work around - but why should I support a flawed business model.So for me living outside the US I had to look else where for for eBooks .
And if you do you will soon notice that there are better eBook reader then Kindle and that there are better eBook shops then Amazon .
Amazon is largely capitalising there good name here .
In fact currently it is more like Amazon vs the rest of the world.For me there is no doubt who is going to win in the long run .
While USA is a large marked but it does only represent 5 \ % of human population .
Well , unless Amazon changes there business model that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original article seem to focus entirely on a Amazon vs Google battle.
But  in that article is missing one point: Kindle is not available outside the US.
That is: you need an USA registered Credit Card with a USA address to buy one.
Yes there are work around - but why should I support a flawed business model.So for me living outside the US I had to look else where for for eBooks.
And if you do you will soon notice that there are better eBook reader then Kindle and that there are better eBook shops then Amazon.
Amazon is largely capitalising there good name here.
In fact currently it is more like Amazon vs the rest of the world.For me there is no doubt who is going to win in the long run.
While USA is a large marked but it does only represent 5\% of human population.
Well, unless Amazon changes there business model that is.</sentencetext>
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