<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_31_0819204</id>
	<title>Software Enables Re-Creation of 'Lost' Instrument</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1243761600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"BBC reports that the Lituus, a 2.4m (8ft) -long trumpet-like instrument, was played in Ancient Rome but fell out of use some 300 years ago. Bach even composed a motet (a choral musical composition) for the Lituus, one of the last pieces of music written for the instrument.. But until now, no one had a clear idea of what this instrument looked or sounded like until researchers at Edinburgh University <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8075223.stm">developed software that enabled them to design the Lituus</a> even though no one alive today has heard, played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument."</i> (Continues below.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " BBC reports that the Lituus , a 2.4m ( 8ft ) -long trumpet-like instrument , was played in Ancient Rome but fell out of use some 300 years ago .
Bach even composed a motet ( a choral musical composition ) for the Lituus , one of the last pieces of music written for the instrument.. But until now , no one had a clear idea of what this instrument looked or sounded like until researchers at Edinburgh University developed software that enabled them to design the Lituus even though no one alive today has heard , played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument .
" ( Continues below .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "BBC reports that the Lituus, a 2.4m (8ft) -long trumpet-like instrument, was played in Ancient Rome but fell out of use some 300 years ago.
Bach even composed a motet (a choral musical composition) for the Lituus, one of the last pieces of music written for the instrument.. But until now, no one had a clear idea of what this instrument looked or sounded like until researchers at Edinburgh University developed software that enabled them to design the Lituus even though no one alive today has heard, played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument.
" (Continues below.
)</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157219</id>
	<title>Department of Redundancy Department (DRD)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243773120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But until now, no one had a clear idea of what this instrument looked or sounded like until researchers at Edinburgh University developed software that enabled them to design the Lituus even though no one alive today has heard, played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument.</p></div></blockquote><p>It should also be noted that nobody had a clear idea of this instrument's appearance and sound, and that a program was recently used to make a replica, which nobody had heard for hundreds of years, by the way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But until now , no one had a clear idea of what this instrument looked or sounded like until researchers at Edinburgh University developed software that enabled them to design the Lituus even though no one alive today has heard , played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument.It should also be noted that nobody had a clear idea of this instrument 's appearance and sound , and that a program was recently used to make a replica , which nobody had heard for hundreds of years , by the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But until now, no one had a clear idea of what this instrument looked or sounded like until researchers at Edinburgh University developed software that enabled them to design the Lituus even though no one alive today has heard, played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument.It should also be noted that nobody had a clear idea of this instrument's appearance and sound, and that a program was recently used to make a replica, which nobody had heard for hundreds of years, by the way.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157703</id>
	<title>Um.. Nobody has heard, seen or played it</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1243779900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what they're really saying is "we just made it all up". Just because someone spent 3 years on a PhD thesis "just making it all up" using complex engineering software and vast amounts of computer time doesn't change the fact that they "just made it all up" and actually have little clue what the original instrument sounded like.</p><p>
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<tokenext>So what they 're really saying is " we just made it all up " .
Just because someone spent 3 years on a PhD thesis " just making it all up " using complex engineering software and vast amounts of computer time does n't change the fact that they " just made it all up " and actually have little clue what the original instrument sounded like .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what they're really saying is "we just made it all up".
Just because someone spent 3 years on a PhD thesis "just making it all up" using complex engineering software and vast amounts of computer time doesn't change the fact that they "just made it all up" and actually have little clue what the original instrument sounded like.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157087</id>
	<title>great research</title>
	<author>speedtux</author>
	<datestamp>1243770840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the best thing about it--nobody can prove it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the best thing about it--nobody can prove it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the best thing about it--nobody can prove it wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28172135</id>
	<title>Some responses</title>
	<author>Liche\_UK</author>
	<datestamp>1243888260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Greetings. I am the developer of the software referred to in this article, and the underlying techniques. The discussion on this page has been of considerable interest and value, and I would like to answer a few of the queries it has raised.

1) None of us thought that Bach used the same instrument as the Romans did, as the article suggested. This conclusion could, however, have been reached with 5 minutes, google, and not a great deal of thought.

2) The object of the project was a single musical performance, a recording of which you have heard. Music exists to communicate and evoke emotion, and it's pretty hard for a performance to 'be proven wrong'. The musicians wanted to communicate the most authentic performance possible, well knowing that a truly 'authentic' (whatever that means) performance was impossible. They commissioned us to design them an instrument to their (broad) specifications, and make it as playable as we could. This we did, and they built the result and played it for their performance - and by doing so they achieved their objective, however authentic or otherwise the result.

3) The instrument is an educated guess at what a Lituus looked and sounded like, and that alone is an interesting and thought-provoking object. Best-guesses at things that no longer exist are quite popular in academia - history, paleontology etc. The guesses aren't always right, but we still end up knowing and understanding more than we did before, and that makes it worthwhile.

4) The performance recorded is clearly not perfect. I haven't played the Lituus yet, but I expect it is very difficult to play. For a start, it has no valves/slides, and is restricted to a harmonic series; the player changes notes by lip control alone. It probably doesn't respond terribly well - I've played other historic brass instruments which were very unwieldy compared to their modern equivalents. Instruments have come a long way since Bach's time - as you've correctly pointed out, they are extinct for a reason. The players hadn't had much time to get used to the instruments. Frankly, if they gave a flawless performance under the circumstances, I'd have been very impressed. Even recordings on period instruments by established period-ensembles are not perfectly in tune by modern standards.

5) I completely agree that further work by craftsmen would enhance the instrument. The software was developed as a tool to help designers/manufacturers, never to replace them. In this case, building a workable Lituus without the computer assistance would require building and discarding many instruments in a long and expensive trial-and-error process; the software allowed them to skip straight to a working model. Further tweaking would almost certainly help. Experimenting with mouthpieces also would - these are much harder to model accurately, because the motion of the lips is so complex. The judgement of the musicians is paramount, and technology, however powerful it is, can only ever make helpful suggestions.

6) In principle, combining a model with an optimisation algorithm, a shape parameterisation, some physical constraints, and an objective function, is not revolutionary. That is not to say that it hasn't been done for brass instruments before (at least with this level of success), and it is not to say that there aren't a lot of domain-specific problems to overcome. Revolutionary it may not be, but I promise you it wasn't trivial!

I found this a fascinating subject to work on, because it is using hard science to help create instruments, which are then used to make music, which exists to communicate feeling. It is not often that scientists get to work on a project where the ultimate goal is something as transitory, subjective, and human as a musical performance to be experienced only by the players and their audience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Greetings .
I am the developer of the software referred to in this article , and the underlying techniques .
The discussion on this page has been of considerable interest and value , and I would like to answer a few of the queries it has raised .
1 ) None of us thought that Bach used the same instrument as the Romans did , as the article suggested .
This conclusion could , however , have been reached with 5 minutes , google , and not a great deal of thought .
2 ) The object of the project was a single musical performance , a recording of which you have heard .
Music exists to communicate and evoke emotion , and it 's pretty hard for a performance to 'be proven wrong' .
The musicians wanted to communicate the most authentic performance possible , well knowing that a truly 'authentic ' ( whatever that means ) performance was impossible .
They commissioned us to design them an instrument to their ( broad ) specifications , and make it as playable as we could .
This we did , and they built the result and played it for their performance - and by doing so they achieved their objective , however authentic or otherwise the result .
3 ) The instrument is an educated guess at what a Lituus looked and sounded like , and that alone is an interesting and thought-provoking object .
Best-guesses at things that no longer exist are quite popular in academia - history , paleontology etc .
The guesses are n't always right , but we still end up knowing and understanding more than we did before , and that makes it worthwhile .
4 ) The performance recorded is clearly not perfect .
I have n't played the Lituus yet , but I expect it is very difficult to play .
For a start , it has no valves/slides , and is restricted to a harmonic series ; the player changes notes by lip control alone .
It probably does n't respond terribly well - I 've played other historic brass instruments which were very unwieldy compared to their modern equivalents .
Instruments have come a long way since Bach 's time - as you 've correctly pointed out , they are extinct for a reason .
The players had n't had much time to get used to the instruments .
Frankly , if they gave a flawless performance under the circumstances , I 'd have been very impressed .
Even recordings on period instruments by established period-ensembles are not perfectly in tune by modern standards .
5 ) I completely agree that further work by craftsmen would enhance the instrument .
The software was developed as a tool to help designers/manufacturers , never to replace them .
In this case , building a workable Lituus without the computer assistance would require building and discarding many instruments in a long and expensive trial-and-error process ; the software allowed them to skip straight to a working model .
Further tweaking would almost certainly help .
Experimenting with mouthpieces also would - these are much harder to model accurately , because the motion of the lips is so complex .
The judgement of the musicians is paramount , and technology , however powerful it is , can only ever make helpful suggestions .
6 ) In principle , combining a model with an optimisation algorithm , a shape parameterisation , some physical constraints , and an objective function , is not revolutionary .
That is not to say that it has n't been done for brass instruments before ( at least with this level of success ) , and it is not to say that there are n't a lot of domain-specific problems to overcome .
Revolutionary it may not be , but I promise you it was n't trivial !
I found this a fascinating subject to work on , because it is using hard science to help create instruments , which are then used to make music , which exists to communicate feeling .
It is not often that scientists get to work on a project where the ultimate goal is something as transitory , subjective , and human as a musical performance to be experienced only by the players and their audience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Greetings.
I am the developer of the software referred to in this article, and the underlying techniques.
The discussion on this page has been of considerable interest and value, and I would like to answer a few of the queries it has raised.
1) None of us thought that Bach used the same instrument as the Romans did, as the article suggested.
This conclusion could, however, have been reached with 5 minutes, google, and not a great deal of thought.
2) The object of the project was a single musical performance, a recording of which you have heard.
Music exists to communicate and evoke emotion, and it's pretty hard for a performance to 'be proven wrong'.
The musicians wanted to communicate the most authentic performance possible, well knowing that a truly 'authentic' (whatever that means) performance was impossible.
They commissioned us to design them an instrument to their (broad) specifications, and make it as playable as we could.
This we did, and they built the result and played it for their performance - and by doing so they achieved their objective, however authentic or otherwise the result.
3) The instrument is an educated guess at what a Lituus looked and sounded like, and that alone is an interesting and thought-provoking object.
Best-guesses at things that no longer exist are quite popular in academia - history, paleontology etc.
The guesses aren't always right, but we still end up knowing and understanding more than we did before, and that makes it worthwhile.
4) The performance recorded is clearly not perfect.
I haven't played the Lituus yet, but I expect it is very difficult to play.
For a start, it has no valves/slides, and is restricted to a harmonic series; the player changes notes by lip control alone.
It probably doesn't respond terribly well - I've played other historic brass instruments which were very unwieldy compared to their modern equivalents.
Instruments have come a long way since Bach's time - as you've correctly pointed out, they are extinct for a reason.
The players hadn't had much time to get used to the instruments.
Frankly, if they gave a flawless performance under the circumstances, I'd have been very impressed.
Even recordings on period instruments by established period-ensembles are not perfectly in tune by modern standards.
5) I completely agree that further work by craftsmen would enhance the instrument.
The software was developed as a tool to help designers/manufacturers, never to replace them.
In this case, building a workable Lituus without the computer assistance would require building and discarding many instruments in a long and expensive trial-and-error process; the software allowed them to skip straight to a working model.
Further tweaking would almost certainly help.
Experimenting with mouthpieces also would - these are much harder to model accurately, because the motion of the lips is so complex.
The judgement of the musicians is paramount, and technology, however powerful it is, can only ever make helpful suggestions.
6) In principle, combining a model with an optimisation algorithm, a shape parameterisation, some physical constraints, and an objective function, is not revolutionary.
That is not to say that it hasn't been done for brass instruments before (at least with this level of success), and it is not to say that there aren't a lot of domain-specific problems to overcome.
Revolutionary it may not be, but I promise you it wasn't trivial!
I found this a fascinating subject to work on, because it is using hard science to help create instruments, which are then used to make music, which exists to communicate feeling.
It is not often that scientists get to work on a project where the ultimate goal is something as transitory, subjective, and human as a musical performance to be experienced only by the players and their audience.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158557</id>
	<title>Excuse me?</title>
	<author>WheelDweller</author>
	<datestamp>1243787760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do we really have scientists that have nothing to do?</p><p>Are they trying to get onto American Idol with the pseudo-trumpet?</p><p>I'd love for someone to tell me one useful application of a restored instrument...a new way to play "I like big butts"? Does someone think it'll play all the music of the really, really, really old days all on it's own?</p><p>This is folly, is it not?  Can we have someone NOT being paid by the government to look at the fossil record and tell the government who wants complete power, that CO2 is not only not a problem, but removing it will make the climate hotter? (The truth)</p><p>I'm sorry, this is not-quite as stupid as resurrecting a wolly mammoth from DNA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do we really have scientists that have nothing to do ? Are they trying to get onto American Idol with the pseudo-trumpet ? I 'd love for someone to tell me one useful application of a restored instrument...a new way to play " I like big butts " ?
Does someone think it 'll play all the music of the really , really , really old days all on it 's own ? This is folly , is it not ?
Can we have someone NOT being paid by the government to look at the fossil record and tell the government who wants complete power , that CO2 is not only not a problem , but removing it will make the climate hotter ?
( The truth ) I 'm sorry , this is not-quite as stupid as resurrecting a wolly mammoth from DNA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do we really have scientists that have nothing to do?Are they trying to get onto American Idol with the pseudo-trumpet?I'd love for someone to tell me one useful application of a restored instrument...a new way to play "I like big butts"?
Does someone think it'll play all the music of the really, really, really old days all on it's own?This is folly, is it not?
Can we have someone NOT being paid by the government to look at the fossil record and tell the government who wants complete power, that CO2 is not only not a problem, but removing it will make the climate hotter?
(The truth)I'm sorry, this is not-quite as stupid as resurrecting a wolly mammoth from DNA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156959</id>
	<title>None are left?</title>
	<author>the\_other\_chewey</author>
	<datestamp>1243768740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they completely modeled after images and assumptions?<br>
<br>
I would understand that no instrument remains playable after &gt;300 years.<br>
But I'm a bit surprised that there aren't any left at all. 300 years<br>
isn't <i>that</i> long, even on the "human history" scale.<br>
<br>
What happened?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they completely modeled after images and assumptions ?
I would understand that no instrument remains playable after &gt; 300 years .
But I 'm a bit surprised that there are n't any left at all .
300 years is n't that long , even on the " human history " scale .
What happened ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they completely modeled after images and assumptions?
I would understand that no instrument remains playable after &gt;300 years.
But I'm a bit surprised that there aren't any left at all.
300 years
isn't that long, even on the "human history" scale.
What happened?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157059</id>
	<title>Sounds false</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243770360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds extremely false in many places. Either they still need to learn to play these instruments or the design is not good at all.<br>
&nbsp; <br>The instrument's sound resembles slightly a cornetto (also a revived instrument). Here you can listen to it played perfectly: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Musique-Transalpine-Concert-Brise/dp/B00006C73K" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">"Le Concert Bris&eacute; - Musique Transalpine"</a> [amazon.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds extremely false in many places .
Either they still need to learn to play these instruments or the design is not good at all .
  The instrument 's sound resembles slightly a cornetto ( also a revived instrument ) .
Here you can listen to it played perfectly : " Le Concert Bris   - Musique Transalpine " [ amazon.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds extremely false in many places.
Either they still need to learn to play these instruments or the design is not good at all.
  The instrument's sound resembles slightly a cornetto (also a revived instrument).
Here you can listen to it played perfectly: "Le Concert Brisé - Musique Transalpine" [amazon.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28178093</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>some guy I know</author>
	<datestamp>1243882200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>To hear the sounds generated by this re-created instrument, reinforced me in my belief that extinct instruments are extinct with very good reasons.</p></div></blockquote><p>Then explain why bagpipes are still around.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To hear the sounds generated by this re-created instrument , reinforced me in my belief that extinct instruments are extinct with very good reasons.Then explain why bagpipes are still around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To hear the sounds generated by this re-created instrument, reinforced me in my belief that extinct instruments are extinct with very good reasons.Then explain why bagpipes are still around.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28169467</id>
	<title>Monette</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243877040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>David Monette http://www.monette.net/ has been making trumpets customized to the players for years. I don't see a lot of added value in the software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>David Monette http : //www.monette.net/ has been making trumpets customized to the players for years .
I do n't see a lot of added value in the software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>David Monette http://www.monette.net/ has been making trumpets customized to the players for years.
I don't see a lot of added value in the software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156949</id>
	<title>Re:re-creation? ITS A GUESS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243768620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>they keep saying re-creation, and it sounds unique and what not -- sounds like a million squeaky horns i've heard before.</p></div><p>We'll know when the inevitable "Oh, we've had one of those in our family for generations, didn't realize they were supposedly extinct.  Sounds kind of like it but not quite" comes forward.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>they keep saying re-creation , and it sounds unique and what not -- sounds like a million squeaky horns i 've heard before.We 'll know when the inevitable " Oh , we 've had one of those in our family for generations , did n't realize they were supposedly extinct .
Sounds kind of like it but not quite " comes forward .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they keep saying re-creation, and it sounds unique and what not -- sounds like a million squeaky horns i've heard before.We'll know when the inevitable "Oh, we've had one of those in our family for generations, didn't realize they were supposedly extinct.
Sounds kind of like it but not quite" comes forward.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157325</id>
	<title>Ummm yes.......</title>
	<author>SurlyToad</author>
	<datestamp>1243774560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The allegedly "Roman" Lituus looks remarkably like the Swedish N&#195;verlur <a href="http://files.reseguiden.se/files/0/rg\_738300\_m600.jpg" title="reseguiden.se" rel="nofollow">http://files.reseguiden.se/files/0/rg\_738300\_m600.jpg</a> [reseguiden.se].  I remember David Munrow demonstrating something like it in his Early Music TV programme back in the mid-70s.  It sounds very difficult to keep in pitch and I'd suggest that a Renaissance Cornett  (perhaps even a Lysard, but not a Serpent)  would be a more appropriate instrument for the performance.<br> <br>

Conjectural instruments like the Lituus aren't really worth the effort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The allegedly " Roman " Lituus looks remarkably like the Swedish N   verlur http : //files.reseguiden.se/files/0/rg \ _738300 \ _m600.jpg [ reseguiden.se ] .
I remember David Munrow demonstrating something like it in his Early Music TV programme back in the mid-70s .
It sounds very difficult to keep in pitch and I 'd suggest that a Renaissance Cornett ( perhaps even a Lysard , but not a Serpent ) would be a more appropriate instrument for the performance .
Conjectural instruments like the Lituus are n't really worth the effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The allegedly "Roman" Lituus looks remarkably like the Swedish NÃverlur http://files.reseguiden.se/files/0/rg\_738300\_m600.jpg [reseguiden.se].
I remember David Munrow demonstrating something like it in his Early Music TV programme back in the mid-70s.
It sounds very difficult to keep in pitch and I'd suggest that a Renaissance Cornett  (perhaps even a Lysard, but not a Serpent)  would be a more appropriate instrument for the performance.
Conjectural instruments like the Lituus aren't really worth the effort.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28171393</id>
	<title>TFA/Summary written by non-musician...</title>
	<author>flattop100</author>
	<datestamp>1243885860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" The software opens up the possibility that brass instruments could be customized more closely to the needs of individual players in the future -- catering more closely to the differing needs of jazz, classical and other players all over the world."</p><p>Please. This has been the case for years! As someone who has played a brass instrument for 18 years, I can authoritatively tell you that there are already significant differences between a trombone made for jazz music, classical music, and beginning players, to list only a few categories. As far as "customized," Edwards Trombones <a href="http://www.edwards-instruments.com/index.shtml" title="edwards-instruments.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.edwards-instruments.com/index.shtml</a> [edwards-instruments.com] can heavily customize an instrument to the player - having played one, I can tell you specifically how my embouchure differed from the owner of the horn. Leadpipe, bell flare, material, even the finish can be customized and predictably constructed to match the player. This is not a "new" concept based on a history professor with a computer - this is an extension of the tradition and history of instrument-making.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The software opens up the possibility that brass instruments could be customized more closely to the needs of individual players in the future -- catering more closely to the differing needs of jazz , classical and other players all over the world. " Please .
This has been the case for years !
As someone who has played a brass instrument for 18 years , I can authoritatively tell you that there are already significant differences between a trombone made for jazz music , classical music , and beginning players , to list only a few categories .
As far as " customized , " Edwards Trombones http : //www.edwards-instruments.com/index.shtml [ edwards-instruments.com ] can heavily customize an instrument to the player - having played one , I can tell you specifically how my embouchure differed from the owner of the horn .
Leadpipe , bell flare , material , even the finish can be customized and predictably constructed to match the player .
This is not a " new " concept based on a history professor with a computer - this is an extension of the tradition and history of instrument-making .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" The software opens up the possibility that brass instruments could be customized more closely to the needs of individual players in the future -- catering more closely to the differing needs of jazz, classical and other players all over the world."Please.
This has been the case for years!
As someone who has played a brass instrument for 18 years, I can authoritatively tell you that there are already significant differences between a trombone made for jazz music, classical music, and beginning players, to list only a few categories.
As far as "customized," Edwards Trombones http://www.edwards-instruments.com/index.shtml [edwards-instruments.com] can heavily customize an instrument to the player - having played one, I can tell you specifically how my embouchure differed from the owner of the horn.
Leadpipe, bell flare, material, even the finish can be customized and predictably constructed to match the player.
This is not a "new" concept based on a history professor with a computer - this is an extension of the tradition and history of instrument-making.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157165</id>
	<title>Re:...ahem...</title>
	<author>SerpentMage</author>
	<datestamp>1243772220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As people have modded you funny, that was exactly what I was thinking...  I live in Switzerland and see these long unwieldy instruments and they look very similar to the things that they are trying to play. But of course going to Switzerland, comparing notes would have BEEN TOO EASY...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As people have modded you funny , that was exactly what I was thinking... I live in Switzerland and see these long unwieldy instruments and they look very similar to the things that they are trying to play .
But of course going to Switzerland , comparing notes would have BEEN TOO EASY.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As people have modded you funny, that was exactly what I was thinking...  I live in Switzerland and see these long unwieldy instruments and they look very similar to the things that they are trying to play.
But of course going to Switzerland, comparing notes would have BEEN TOO EASY...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158971</id>
	<title>Re:why not PM synthesis?</title>
	<author>gyrogeerloose</author>
	<datestamp>1243791060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why go through all the trouble of making an actual instrument</p></div></blockquote><p>Why do people try to put Linux on an iPod or some other obscure bit of hardware?</p><p> Because it's a challenge and it's fun.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why go through all the trouble of making an actual instrumentWhy do people try to put Linux on an iPod or some other obscure bit of hardware ?
Because it 's a challenge and it 's fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why go through all the trouble of making an actual instrumentWhy do people try to put Linux on an iPod or some other obscure bit of hardware?
Because it's a challenge and it's fun.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157331</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158117</id>
	<title>YOU FAIL IT.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243783740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">also dead, its and sling or table FreeBSD showed For it. I don't You down. It was</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>also dead , its and sling or table FreeBSD showed For it .
I do n't You down .
It was [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>also dead, its and sling or table FreeBSD showed For it.
I don't You down.
It was [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157155</id>
	<title>Lituus - not a Roman one</title>
	<author>hubert.lepicki</author>
	<datestamp>1243772100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From images on Roman coins and walls, you could get an idea how original version of the instrument looked like. What these guys re-created is version from Bach's time, and after watching the video, I admit it matches character of music<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:). (I love Bach BTW)</p><p>I would like to see original version, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From images on Roman coins and walls , you could get an idea how original version of the instrument looked like .
What these guys re-created is version from Bach 's time , and after watching the video , I admit it matches character of music : ) .
( I love Bach BTW ) I would like to see original version , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From images on Roman coins and walls, you could get an idea how original version of the instrument looked like.
What these guys re-created is version from Bach's time, and after watching the video, I admit it matches character of music :).
(I love Bach BTW)I would like to see original version, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28159627</id>
	<title>Good enough for "Global Warming"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243796040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please those types of models are always good enough for "Global Warming".<br>Why do you think they reset their models every few years?  The "old models" diverge way too radically from actual data.  So, to hide the "we just made it all up" factor, they reset their models so the divergence is now 0 and start fresh.<br>The models can't back predict and they can't forward predict with any accuracy.  But since those are "computer models" (Ohh , Ahhhh) and therefore they <i>have</i> to be right.</p><p>Oh and I am sorry I forgot it isn't "Global Warming" anymore, it is now "Climate Change" because it was becoming tough to sell warming when the Earth has been cooling since the peak temperatures in 1998 and in our new "de-politicized science" science is now all about marketing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please those types of models are always good enough for " Global Warming " .Why do you think they reset their models every few years ?
The " old models " diverge way too radically from actual data .
So , to hide the " we just made it all up " factor , they reset their models so the divergence is now 0 and start fresh.The models ca n't back predict and they ca n't forward predict with any accuracy .
But since those are " computer models " ( Ohh , Ahhhh ) and therefore they have to be right.Oh and I am sorry I forgot it is n't " Global Warming " anymore , it is now " Climate Change " because it was becoming tough to sell warming when the Earth has been cooling since the peak temperatures in 1998 and in our new " de-politicized science " science is now all about marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please those types of models are always good enough for "Global Warming".Why do you think they reset their models every few years?
The "old models" diverge way too radically from actual data.
So, to hide the "we just made it all up" factor, they reset their models so the divergence is now 0 and start fresh.The models can't back predict and they can't forward predict with any accuracy.
But since those are "computer models" (Ohh , Ahhhh) and therefore they have to be right.Oh and I am sorry I forgot it isn't "Global Warming" anymore, it is now "Climate Change" because it was becoming tough to sell warming when the Earth has been cooling since the peak temperatures in 1998 and in our new "de-politicized science" science is now all about marketing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158279</id>
	<title>They have already found an instrument like this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243785420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can actually buy it at e-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/-Roman-lituus(100-AD)for-reenactors-Rome\%27s-army-AH3870T\_W0QQitemZ370193812188QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090428?IMSfp=TL090428139003r20522</p><p>Do a search from "Lituus" on Google and you will find how it really looks like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can actually buy it at e-Bay : http : //cgi.ebay.co.uk/-Roman-lituus ( 100-AD ) for-reenactors-Rome \ % 27s-army-AH3870T \ _W0QQitemZ370193812188QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090428 ? IMSfp = TL090428139003r20522Do a search from " Lituus " on Google and you will find how it really looks like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can actually buy it at e-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/-Roman-lituus(100-AD)for-reenactors-Rome\%27s-army-AH3870T\_W0QQitemZ370193812188QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090428?IMSfp=TL090428139003r20522Do a search from "Lituus" on Google and you will find how it really looks like.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158919</id>
	<title>And by Lost equipment</title>
	<author>azav</author>
	<datestamp>1243790640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>was it anything created by the Dharma Initiative?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>was it anything created by the Dharma Initiative ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>was it anything created by the Dharma Initiative?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28161683</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>oljanx</author>
	<datestamp>1243768920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aren't these the things they hang banners on and play when the king shows up to the joust, in like, every movie ever made?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't these the things they hang banners on and play when the king shows up to the joust , in like , every movie ever made ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't these the things they hang banners on and play when the king shows up to the joust, in like, every movie ever made?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28165421</id>
	<title>let me get this straight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243850400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they are building an instrument that nobody nows how it sounds, but it sounds exactly like the old version that no one ever heard?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they are building an instrument that nobody nows how it sounds , but it sounds exactly like the old version that no one ever heard ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they are building an instrument that nobody nows how it sounds, but it sounds exactly like the old version that no one ever heard?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28161243</id>
	<title>Re:...ahem...</title>
	<author>DryHeat122</author>
	<datestamp>1243764960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nah, an Alpenhorn is made of wood, and the bell is bent up at the end at a right angle.  A Lituus is straight and made of brass.  They would sound completely different.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , an Alpenhorn is made of wood , and the bell is bent up at the end at a right angle .
A Lituus is straight and made of brass .
They would sound completely different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, an Alpenhorn is made of wood, and the bell is bent up at the end at a right angle.
A Lituus is straight and made of brass.
They would sound completely different.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156751</id>
	<title>re-creation? ITS A GUESS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243765500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they keep saying re-creation, and it sounds unique and what not -- sounds like a million squeaky horns i've heard before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they keep saying re-creation , and it sounds unique and what not -- sounds like a million squeaky horns i 've heard before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they keep saying re-creation, and it sounds unique and what not -- sounds like a million squeaky horns i've heard before.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157645</id>
	<title>Re:great research</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1243779180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's surprising that a kind of instrument that's been use for millennia apparently doesn't have much in the way of surviving examples in any condition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's surprising that a kind of instrument that 's been use for millennia apparently does n't have much in the way of surviving examples in any condition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's surprising that a kind of instrument that's been use for millennia apparently doesn't have much in the way of surviving examples in any condition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28164775</id>
	<title>Riiiiight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243796880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, basically, it sounded like a really crappy french horn / trumpet. Wonderful.</p><p>Next up: Scientists in 2230 recreate the extinct 'Ford Model-T' from photographs and wonder why it's no longer made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , basically , it sounded like a really crappy french horn / trumpet .
Wonderful.Next up : Scientists in 2230 recreate the extinct 'Ford Model-T ' from photographs and wonder why it 's no longer made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, basically, it sounded like a really crappy french horn / trumpet.
Wonderful.Next up: Scientists in 2230 recreate the extinct 'Ford Model-T' from photographs and wonder why it's no longer made.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157163</id>
	<title>Re:400 years from now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243772220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>91 years later, president Not Sure will overturn that ruling.</p><p>What I don't understand, is why the RIAA would like Linux? Wouldn't they want to have a DRM/TCPA nightmare as the main OS?<br>(Oh well, at least from the looks, all major Linux desktop system teams work very hard to imitate Windows in every detail, so it's only a question of time...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>91 years later , president Not Sure will overturn that ruling.What I do n't understand , is why the RIAA would like Linux ?
Would n't they want to have a DRM/TCPA nightmare as the main OS ?
( Oh well , at least from the looks , all major Linux desktop system teams work very hard to imitate Windows in every detail , so it 's only a question of time... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>91 years later, president Not Sure will overturn that ruling.What I don't understand, is why the RIAA would like Linux?
Wouldn't they want to have a DRM/TCPA nightmare as the main OS?
(Oh well, at least from the looks, all major Linux desktop system teams work very hard to imitate Windows in every detail, so it's only a question of time...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156821</id>
	<title>Dupe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243766700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Software has been giving<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers the horn for YEARS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Software has been giving / .
readers the horn for YEARS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Software has been giving /.
readers the horn for YEARS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158521</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>machine321</author>
	<datestamp>1243787460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meanwhile, you're sitting there playing with your collection of old computers that didn't beat out Windows/x86.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meanwhile , you 're sitting there playing with your collection of old computers that did n't beat out Windows/x86 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meanwhile, you're sitting there playing with your collection of old computers that didn't beat out Windows/x86.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157299</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1243774200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The instrument sounded Ok,  They players themselves were off. It was basically having a professional choir/orchestra with some good high schoolers musicians playing the instrument.  But these people haven't put their life into learning these instruments they probably were brass players winging it on the instrument, which has a different response and a different delay before it leaves the instrument.</p><p>As for the sound it makes it is actually kinda pretty. Kinda a mix between a trumpet and a french horn.<br>There are a lot of factors why instruments go extinct, and it has little to do about the actual instrument but the styles/forces of the times.   I think the reason why that instrument went extinct is because of the political forces of the time.  Rome being sacked, people on the move.  There was little permanency in Europe during this time. This instrument was too clumsy to move around/got easily broken.  Thus gave way for the modern Brass instruments which are bent to allow a similar effect but in a smaller size. They used the instrument for centuries before so it wasn't like a quick fad that died.</p><p>As for some of the unreleased songs a lot of them don't get published because of the quality. Sometimes they get left out because they didn't fit on the record and that song didn't go with the others on that album.  The song covered something that was politically incorrect at the time or just in bad taste (say publishing an Anti-American song right after 9-11).  Music that didn't go with your perceived style.</p><p>You view on music extinction seems like bad understanding of evolution and extinction in biology that a lot of people make.  Animal X became extinct while Animal Y survived so Animal Y is superior.  Which isn't the case. Animal Y could be inferior to X in all ways but one. And that one fact allowed it to survive by chance.  Say the Animal X cannot survive in presence of excess UV rays while Animal Y can.   Well animal H somehow put a hole in the ozone layer and killed of X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The instrument sounded Ok , They players themselves were off .
It was basically having a professional choir/orchestra with some good high schoolers musicians playing the instrument .
But these people have n't put their life into learning these instruments they probably were brass players winging it on the instrument , which has a different response and a different delay before it leaves the instrument.As for the sound it makes it is actually kinda pretty .
Kinda a mix between a trumpet and a french horn.There are a lot of factors why instruments go extinct , and it has little to do about the actual instrument but the styles/forces of the times .
I think the reason why that instrument went extinct is because of the political forces of the time .
Rome being sacked , people on the move .
There was little permanency in Europe during this time .
This instrument was too clumsy to move around/got easily broken .
Thus gave way for the modern Brass instruments which are bent to allow a similar effect but in a smaller size .
They used the instrument for centuries before so it was n't like a quick fad that died.As for some of the unreleased songs a lot of them do n't get published because of the quality .
Sometimes they get left out because they did n't fit on the record and that song did n't go with the others on that album .
The song covered something that was politically incorrect at the time or just in bad taste ( say publishing an Anti-American song right after 9-11 ) .
Music that did n't go with your perceived style.You view on music extinction seems like bad understanding of evolution and extinction in biology that a lot of people make .
Animal X became extinct while Animal Y survived so Animal Y is superior .
Which is n't the case .
Animal Y could be inferior to X in all ways but one .
And that one fact allowed it to survive by chance .
Say the Animal X can not survive in presence of excess UV rays while Animal Y can .
Well animal H somehow put a hole in the ozone layer and killed of X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The instrument sounded Ok,  They players themselves were off.
It was basically having a professional choir/orchestra with some good high schoolers musicians playing the instrument.
But these people haven't put their life into learning these instruments they probably were brass players winging it on the instrument, which has a different response and a different delay before it leaves the instrument.As for the sound it makes it is actually kinda pretty.
Kinda a mix between a trumpet and a french horn.There are a lot of factors why instruments go extinct, and it has little to do about the actual instrument but the styles/forces of the times.
I think the reason why that instrument went extinct is because of the political forces of the time.
Rome being sacked, people on the move.
There was little permanency in Europe during this time.
This instrument was too clumsy to move around/got easily broken.
Thus gave way for the modern Brass instruments which are bent to allow a similar effect but in a smaller size.
They used the instrument for centuries before so it wasn't like a quick fad that died.As for some of the unreleased songs a lot of them don't get published because of the quality.
Sometimes they get left out because they didn't fit on the record and that song didn't go with the others on that album.
The song covered something that was politically incorrect at the time or just in bad taste (say publishing an Anti-American song right after 9-11).
Music that didn't go with your perceived style.You view on music extinction seems like bad understanding of evolution and extinction in biology that a lot of people make.
Animal X became extinct while Animal Y survived so Animal Y is superior.
Which isn't the case.
Animal Y could be inferior to X in all ways but one.
And that one fact allowed it to survive by chance.
Say the Animal X cannot survive in presence of excess UV rays while Animal Y can.
Well animal H somehow put a hole in the ozone layer and killed of X.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157335</id>
	<title>Re:400 years from now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243774680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The RIAA part is funny.</p><p>As for Linux, I don't know what this 'desktop' is you refer to, perhaps its some ill-suited metaphor for how one uses a computer, perhaps it means 'dumbed-down so idiots can pretend they know how to use a computer', but I've been using Linux on "my" computer for a good decade or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The RIAA part is funny.As for Linux , I do n't know what this 'desktop ' is you refer to , perhaps its some ill-suited metaphor for how one uses a computer , perhaps it means 'dumbed-down so idiots can pretend they know how to use a computer ' , but I 've been using Linux on " my " computer for a good decade or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The RIAA part is funny.As for Linux, I don't know what this 'desktop' is you refer to, perhaps its some ill-suited metaphor for how one uses a computer, perhaps it means 'dumbed-down so idiots can pretend they know how to use a computer', but I've been using Linux on "my" computer for a good decade or so.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157153</id>
	<title>Re:400 years from now...</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1243772100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Scientists will try to reconstruct a long-lost instrument called a turntable based on the lyrics from an ancient artist named Lady Gaga. But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments it will brand these scientists enemies of the state and will summarily execute them. That year is 2409. The same year Linux is finally ready for the desktop.</p></div><p>So much wrong with that, RIAA is getting away now, Linux is ready now, and Lady Gaga it not an artist.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Scientists will try to reconstruct a long-lost instrument called a turntable based on the lyrics from an ancient artist named Lady Gaga .
But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments it will brand these scientists enemies of the state and will summarily execute them .
That year is 2409 .
The same year Linux is finally ready for the desktop.So much wrong with that , RIAA is getting away now , Linux is ready now , and Lady Gaga it not an artist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scientists will try to reconstruct a long-lost instrument called a turntable based on the lyrics from an ancient artist named Lady Gaga.
But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments it will brand these scientists enemies of the state and will summarily execute them.
That year is 2409.
The same year Linux is finally ready for the desktop.So much wrong with that, RIAA is getting away now, Linux is ready now, and Lady Gaga it not an artist.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157429</id>
	<title>Not lost...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243776420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure why this study and article claims the instrument was "lost", and that no one knows what it looks like &#226;" there are -countless- details and elaborate accounts on the various Lituus in musical history. Furthermore, the "long horn" type of instrument shown as being the recreation of the "lost Lituus nobody has ever seen" is not a Lituus at all &#226;" it's nothing short a very common design of long horn from the european medievals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure why this study and article claims the instrument was " lost " , and that no one knows what it looks like   " there are -countless- details and elaborate accounts on the various Lituus in musical history .
Furthermore , the " long horn " type of instrument shown as being the recreation of the " lost Lituus nobody has ever seen " is not a Lituus at all   " it 's nothing short a very common design of long horn from the european medievals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure why this study and article claims the instrument was "lost", and that no one knows what it looks like â" there are -countless- details and elaborate accounts on the various Lituus in musical history.
Furthermore, the "long horn" type of instrument shown as being the recreation of the "lost Lituus nobody has ever seen" is not a Lituus at all â" it's nothing short a very common design of long horn from the european medievals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28161669</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>OpenSourced</author>
	<datestamp>1243768800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Sometimes they get left out because they didn't fit on the record</i></p><p>Well, the other songs of the record <i>did</i> fit on the record. So the left overs were probably considered worse than the others. I do think there is a certain, not evolution, but selection of good music going on. Not always work, but most of the time it does. Good music tends to be kept, bad to be forgotten. I think that's one of the reason why classical music seems better than contemporary. It's just that we are spared the tons of bad classical music that have mercifully been erased from global consciousness. There are other reasons too, having to do with rules and constraints, but that's beside this point. Notice also that I used The Beatles in my example, the idea being that if the songs had kept unreleased for so many years, it's probably just greed and the need to profit from a good trademark, that cause today's publication.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes they get left out because they did n't fit on the recordWell , the other songs of the record did fit on the record .
So the left overs were probably considered worse than the others .
I do think there is a certain , not evolution , but selection of good music going on .
Not always work , but most of the time it does .
Good music tends to be kept , bad to be forgotten .
I think that 's one of the reason why classical music seems better than contemporary .
It 's just that we are spared the tons of bad classical music that have mercifully been erased from global consciousness .
There are other reasons too , having to do with rules and constraints , but that 's beside this point .
Notice also that I used The Beatles in my example , the idea being that if the songs had kept unreleased for so many years , it 's probably just greed and the need to profit from a good trademark , that cause today 's publication .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes they get left out because they didn't fit on the recordWell, the other songs of the record did fit on the record.
So the left overs were probably considered worse than the others.
I do think there is a certain, not evolution, but selection of good music going on.
Not always work, but most of the time it does.
Good music tends to be kept, bad to be forgotten.
I think that's one of the reason why classical music seems better than contemporary.
It's just that we are spared the tons of bad classical music that have mercifully been erased from global consciousness.
There are other reasons too, having to do with rules and constraints, but that's beside this point.
Notice also that I used The Beatles in my example, the idea being that if the songs had kept unreleased for so many years, it's probably just greed and the need to profit from a good trademark, that cause today's publication.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156931</id>
	<title>Reverse PM?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243768440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't this just reverse physical modeling, that is, instead of calculating how an instrument with certain physical qualities would sound, they calculated what physical qualities an instrument with a certain sound would have? But PM is hardly new so I don't see why this is news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this just reverse physical modeling , that is , instead of calculating how an instrument with certain physical qualities would sound , they calculated what physical qualities an instrument with a certain sound would have ?
But PM is hardly new so I do n't see why this is news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this just reverse physical modeling, that is, instead of calculating how an instrument with certain physical qualities would sound, they calculated what physical qualities an instrument with a certain sound would have?
But PM is hardly new so I don't see why this is news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158599</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>mabhatter654</author>
	<datestamp>1243788120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are exactly correct.  Hand made "impractical" instruments fell out of fashion in the mid 1700's en masse for the beginnings of mass manufactured instruments.  People would have replaced this with trumpets or coronets. Which were newer and more standard. What you see is a trend from 4-6 piece "chamber" or "folk" music to something that looks like the modern orchestra. In folk music handmade instruments and the "flaws" of instrument and player are features that make live performances better.  In large groups you want to minimize individual players to have the group play as one "instrument".</p><p>I'm getting into middle ages instruments [a good guide is here: <a href="http://www.music.iastate.edu/antiqua/instrumt.html\%5D" title="iastate.edu">http://www.music.iastate.edu/antiqua/instrumt.html\%5D</a> [iastate.edu] And most of the list is woodwind or string.  You can see the take over of strings because they are compact, portable (like another poster below mentions) and they are easily tuned to match each other. About the time the time lituus was lost brass instruments became affordable to produce nearly identical copies of and could be played in tune like Trombones, or tuned with sliders like trumpets and tubas. Why keep a single purpose non-tunable horn?</p><p>There's nothing like hearing music played on the instruments it was written to be played on. When listening to old music it helps put you in the mood the people then would have been in. It may not be the best thing now, but it was the best they had then.</p><p>Of course, the most popular music now is the 4-6 piece "rock" band. Drums, keyboard, and some number of guitars is the "standard" pop music right now. [much like violin, viola, cello, and bass in the 1600's] The core needed instruments of even the Rolling Stones fit in the back of Mom's minivan. We (ok not slashdotters, but other we) go to rock concerts because they play to the audience, even though their CDs are technically better and more polished we like to be there to watch and the artists do different things depending on the crowd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are exactly correct .
Hand made " impractical " instruments fell out of fashion in the mid 1700 's en masse for the beginnings of mass manufactured instruments .
People would have replaced this with trumpets or coronets .
Which were newer and more standard .
What you see is a trend from 4-6 piece " chamber " or " folk " music to something that looks like the modern orchestra .
In folk music handmade instruments and the " flaws " of instrument and player are features that make live performances better .
In large groups you want to minimize individual players to have the group play as one " instrument " .I 'm getting into middle ages instruments [ a good guide is here : http : //www.music.iastate.edu/antiqua/instrumt.html \ % 5D [ iastate.edu ] And most of the list is woodwind or string .
You can see the take over of strings because they are compact , portable ( like another poster below mentions ) and they are easily tuned to match each other .
About the time the time lituus was lost brass instruments became affordable to produce nearly identical copies of and could be played in tune like Trombones , or tuned with sliders like trumpets and tubas .
Why keep a single purpose non-tunable horn ? There 's nothing like hearing music played on the instruments it was written to be played on .
When listening to old music it helps put you in the mood the people then would have been in .
It may not be the best thing now , but it was the best they had then.Of course , the most popular music now is the 4-6 piece " rock " band .
Drums , keyboard , and some number of guitars is the " standard " pop music right now .
[ much like violin , viola , cello , and bass in the 1600 's ] The core needed instruments of even the Rolling Stones fit in the back of Mom 's minivan .
We ( ok not slashdotters , but other we ) go to rock concerts because they play to the audience , even though their CDs are technically better and more polished we like to be there to watch and the artists do different things depending on the crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are exactly correct.
Hand made "impractical" instruments fell out of fashion in the mid 1700's en masse for the beginnings of mass manufactured instruments.
People would have replaced this with trumpets or coronets.
Which were newer and more standard.
What you see is a trend from 4-6 piece "chamber" or "folk" music to something that looks like the modern orchestra.
In folk music handmade instruments and the "flaws" of instrument and player are features that make live performances better.
In large groups you want to minimize individual players to have the group play as one "instrument".I'm getting into middle ages instruments [a good guide is here: http://www.music.iastate.edu/antiqua/instrumt.html\%5D [iastate.edu] And most of the list is woodwind or string.
You can see the take over of strings because they are compact, portable (like another poster below mentions) and they are easily tuned to match each other.
About the time the time lituus was lost brass instruments became affordable to produce nearly identical copies of and could be played in tune like Trombones, or tuned with sliders like trumpets and tubas.
Why keep a single purpose non-tunable horn?There's nothing like hearing music played on the instruments it was written to be played on.
When listening to old music it helps put you in the mood the people then would have been in.
It may not be the best thing now, but it was the best they had then.Of course, the most popular music now is the 4-6 piece "rock" band.
Drums, keyboard, and some number of guitars is the "standard" pop music right now.
[much like violin, viola, cello, and bass in the 1600's] The core needed instruments of even the Rolling Stones fit in the back of Mom's minivan.
We (ok not slashdotters, but other we) go to rock concerts because they play to the audience, even though their CDs are technically better and more polished we like to be there to watch and the artists do different things depending on the crowd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156867</id>
	<title>400 years from now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243767480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Scientists will try to reconstruct a long-lost instrument called a turntable based on the lyrics from an ancient artist named Lady Gaga. But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments it will brand these scientists enemies of the state and will summarily execute them. That year is 2409. The same year Linux is finally ready for the desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scientists will try to reconstruct a long-lost instrument called a turntable based on the lyrics from an ancient artist named Lady Gaga .
But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments it will brand these scientists enemies of the state and will summarily execute them .
That year is 2409 .
The same year Linux is finally ready for the desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scientists will try to reconstruct a long-lost instrument called a turntable based on the lyrics from an ancient artist named Lady Gaga.
But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments it will brand these scientists enemies of the state and will summarily execute them.
That year is 2409.
The same year Linux is finally ready for the desktop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28162979</id>
	<title>Re:400 years from now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243780380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who loves modern vinyl (which is QUICKLY dying thanks to the recession, btw), if the only records that survive for 400 years are Lady Gaga, you can just go ahead and hit "Launch All Nukes" on your presidential computer, Mr. Obama, and burn us all straight to hell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who loves modern vinyl ( which is QUICKLY dying thanks to the recession , btw ) , if the only records that survive for 400 years are Lady Gaga , you can just go ahead and hit " Launch All Nukes " on your presidential computer , Mr. Obama , and burn us all straight to hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who loves modern vinyl (which is QUICKLY dying thanks to the recession, btw), if the only records that survive for 400 years are Lady Gaga, you can just go ahead and hit "Launch All Nukes" on your presidential computer, Mr. Obama, and burn us all straight to hell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28163475</id>
	<title>Yes, I am a musicologist, and it's bogus</title>
	<author>geckoFeet</author>
	<datestamp>1243784400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please read the second link in the summary. It's completely bonkers to think that an ancient Roman instrument just happened to survive into Bach's time, and then disappeared without a trace. We have descriptions of instruments and musical practice from Bach's time, and there is no lituus. We also have descriptions of ancient Roman (and Greek and Biblical) instruments from Bach's time, stuff that Bach would have known, and there are Litui in there. Bach took the name of an ancient Roman instrument because for some reason, probably having to do with the original purpose of that particular "cantata" (more likely it was a funeral motet), a fancy Latin name was more appropriate. The instrument itself would have been a horn or, less likely, a trumpet pitched in Bb. The difference between a Baroque horn and Baroque trumpet of that pitch would have been only the exact shape of the bore and the configuration of the mouthpiece.</p><p>Sorry, but the only evidence for the existence of the ancient Lituus in Bach's time is the occasional use of a Latin term in place of a German or Italian or some other vernacular term. That adds up to exactly zero evidence.</p><p>That said, the modelling software is pretty neat.</p><p>---</p><p>I am a musicologist, but I am not your musicologist, and this message does not constitute musicological advice. (In most juristictions.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please read the second link in the summary .
It 's completely bonkers to think that an ancient Roman instrument just happened to survive into Bach 's time , and then disappeared without a trace .
We have descriptions of instruments and musical practice from Bach 's time , and there is no lituus .
We also have descriptions of ancient Roman ( and Greek and Biblical ) instruments from Bach 's time , stuff that Bach would have known , and there are Litui in there .
Bach took the name of an ancient Roman instrument because for some reason , probably having to do with the original purpose of that particular " cantata " ( more likely it was a funeral motet ) , a fancy Latin name was more appropriate .
The instrument itself would have been a horn or , less likely , a trumpet pitched in Bb .
The difference between a Baroque horn and Baroque trumpet of that pitch would have been only the exact shape of the bore and the configuration of the mouthpiece.Sorry , but the only evidence for the existence of the ancient Lituus in Bach 's time is the occasional use of a Latin term in place of a German or Italian or some other vernacular term .
That adds up to exactly zero evidence.That said , the modelling software is pretty neat.---I am a musicologist , but I am not your musicologist , and this message does not constitute musicological advice .
( In most juristictions .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please read the second link in the summary.
It's completely bonkers to think that an ancient Roman instrument just happened to survive into Bach's time, and then disappeared without a trace.
We have descriptions of instruments and musical practice from Bach's time, and there is no lituus.
We also have descriptions of ancient Roman (and Greek and Biblical) instruments from Bach's time, stuff that Bach would have known, and there are Litui in there.
Bach took the name of an ancient Roman instrument because for some reason, probably having to do with the original purpose of that particular "cantata" (more likely it was a funeral motet), a fancy Latin name was more appropriate.
The instrument itself would have been a horn or, less likely, a trumpet pitched in Bb.
The difference between a Baroque horn and Baroque trumpet of that pitch would have been only the exact shape of the bore and the configuration of the mouthpiece.Sorry, but the only evidence for the existence of the ancient Lituus in Bach's time is the occasional use of a Latin term in place of a German or Italian or some other vernacular term.
That adds up to exactly zero evidence.That said, the modelling software is pretty neat.---I am a musicologist, but I am not your musicologist, and this message does not constitute musicological advice.
(In most juristictions.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156889</id>
	<title>Didnt rtfa</title>
	<author>Osmosis\_Garett</author>
	<datestamp>1243767840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does that mean there's a  job opening for someone to punch a series of numbers into a computer every 108 minutes?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does that mean there 's a job opening for someone to punch a series of numbers into a computer every 108 minutes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does that mean there's a  job opening for someone to punch a series of numbers into a computer every 108 minutes?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28161447</id>
	<title>Looks more like a Bong to me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243766880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't doubt if the instrument fell out of use because everyone smoked themselves to sleep.  Reminds me of when I found the glass pipe of some friends of mine back in Colorado.  I told them that it looks too "contraband" and should just buy some musical instruments to use in smoking their materials.  In came a flute, and they just never learned to play it.  It was like a beginning pianist rehearsing their study.  It was horrible, as nails raking across a chalk-board while eating onions.  Oh God what have I done?  Needless to say, the instruments deformed over time from the heat of lighting their material in each note finger-hole, and the music got worse...  It always started out horrible, then it started sounding like a bunch of trains running through a tunnel.</p><p>This "lituus" thing was probably abandoned the same way.  Started out as a hollow pimp cane or something, and then the whole country disappeared after someone made a poor suggestion as I did to those two boys.  Truly sad, we may never know how it functioned prior.  I suppose this is how evolution makes its way to create tools, crossed with the movie Alien (1st).  How many bad things need to be blown out through a f*cking air-lock before someone finds a use for it?  Truly sad day, the lituus will sorally be missed, just like Stephen King.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't doubt if the instrument fell out of use because everyone smoked themselves to sleep .
Reminds me of when I found the glass pipe of some friends of mine back in Colorado .
I told them that it looks too " contraband " and should just buy some musical instruments to use in smoking their materials .
In came a flute , and they just never learned to play it .
It was like a beginning pianist rehearsing their study .
It was horrible , as nails raking across a chalk-board while eating onions .
Oh God what have I done ?
Needless to say , the instruments deformed over time from the heat of lighting their material in each note finger-hole , and the music got worse... It always started out horrible , then it started sounding like a bunch of trains running through a tunnel.This " lituus " thing was probably abandoned the same way .
Started out as a hollow pimp cane or something , and then the whole country disappeared after someone made a poor suggestion as I did to those two boys .
Truly sad , we may never know how it functioned prior .
I suppose this is how evolution makes its way to create tools , crossed with the movie Alien ( 1st ) .
How many bad things need to be blown out through a f * cking air-lock before someone finds a use for it ?
Truly sad day , the lituus will sorally be missed , just like Stephen King .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't doubt if the instrument fell out of use because everyone smoked themselves to sleep.
Reminds me of when I found the glass pipe of some friends of mine back in Colorado.
I told them that it looks too "contraband" and should just buy some musical instruments to use in smoking their materials.
In came a flute, and they just never learned to play it.
It was like a beginning pianist rehearsing their study.
It was horrible, as nails raking across a chalk-board while eating onions.
Oh God what have I done?
Needless to say, the instruments deformed over time from the heat of lighting their material in each note finger-hole, and the music got worse...  It always started out horrible, then it started sounding like a bunch of trains running through a tunnel.This "lituus" thing was probably abandoned the same way.
Started out as a hollow pimp cane or something, and then the whole country disappeared after someone made a poor suggestion as I did to those two boys.
Truly sad, we may never know how it functioned prior.
I suppose this is how evolution makes its way to create tools, crossed with the movie Alien (1st).
How many bad things need to be blown out through a f*cking air-lock before someone finds a use for it?
Truly sad day, the lituus will sorally be missed, just like Stephen King.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28162163</id>
	<title>Re:400 years from now...</title>
	<author>ciderVisor</author>
	<datestamp>1243773360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That year is 2409</p></div><p>2112, according to the writings of the holy trinity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That year is 24092112 , according to the writings of the holy trinity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That year is 24092112, according to the writings of the holy trinity.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157481</id>
	<title>Re:400 years from now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243777200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments </p></div><p>Damn, I knew we should have voted for Skynet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments Damn , I knew we should have voted for Skynet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But since RIAA at the time is basically runs the all governments Damn, I knew we should have voted for Skynet.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156795</id>
	<title>...ahem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243766340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ricoooooooolllllaaaaaaaaa</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ricoooooooolllllaaaaaaaaa</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ricoooooooolllllaaaaaaaaa</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157689</id>
	<title>Re:...ahem...</title>
	<author>danwesnor</author>
	<datestamp>1243779660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously?  Any excuse to go to Switzerland, I'm there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
Any excuse to go to Switzerland , I 'm there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
Any excuse to go to Switzerland, I'm there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158443</id>
	<title>I've seen one of those before in monty python</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243786860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jg95/graphics/avatars/100/mphg\_trumpets.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.pages.drexel.edu/ ~ jg95/graphics/avatars/100/mphg \ _trumpets.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jg95/graphics/avatars/100/mphg\_trumpets.jpg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156953</id>
	<title>I guess the Frozen Donkey Wheel is out..</title>
	<author>Ka D'Argo</author>
	<datestamp>1243768680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>well it could be recreated from a prop to a real time traveling device on some far away island...er..wait..not <i>that</i> Lost..</htmltext>
<tokenext>well it could be recreated from a prop to a real time traveling device on some far away island...er..wait..not that Lost. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well it could be recreated from a prop to a real time traveling device on some far away island...er..wait..not that Lost..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157271</id>
	<title>We still have them in some parts of Romania</title>
	<author>galaad2</author>
	<datestamp>1243773780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We still have these instruments in some parts of Romania, they are called "bucium" or "tulnic" (varies across the regions of the country).<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucium" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucium</a> [wikipedia.org]<br><a href="http://i41.tinypic.com/6jgkk8.jpg" title="tinypic.com" rel="nofollow">http://i41.tinypic.com/6jgkk8.jpg</a> [tinypic.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We still have these instruments in some parts of Romania , they are called " bucium " or " tulnic " ( varies across the regions of the country ) .http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucium [ wikipedia.org ] http : //i41.tinypic.com/6jgkk8.jpg [ tinypic.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We still have these instruments in some parts of Romania, they are called "bucium" or "tulnic" (varies across the regions of the country).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucium [wikipedia.org]http://i41.tinypic.com/6jgkk8.jpg [tinypic.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158251</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>chrismeidinger</author>
	<datestamp>1243785180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Rome being sacked, people on the move.  There was little permanency in Europe during this time. This instrument was too clumsy to move around/got easily broken.  Thus gave way for the modern Brass instruments which are bent to allow a similar effect but in a smaller size. They used the instrument for centuries before so it wasn't like a quick fad that died.</p><p>

Not to mention the fact that musicians moved around back then just as much as here. They were always having concerts and festivals here-and-there and motion was a much more manual process. This thing is somewhere between drum-kit and upright bass on the Unwieldiness Scale. Musicians themselves much prefer lighter instruments that are easier to move.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rome being sacked , people on the move .
There was little permanency in Europe during this time .
This instrument was too clumsy to move around/got easily broken .
Thus gave way for the modern Brass instruments which are bent to allow a similar effect but in a smaller size .
They used the instrument for centuries before so it was n't like a quick fad that died .
Not to mention the fact that musicians moved around back then just as much as here .
They were always having concerts and festivals here-and-there and motion was a much more manual process .
This thing is somewhere between drum-kit and upright bass on the Unwieldiness Scale .
Musicians themselves much prefer lighter instruments that are easier to move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rome being sacked, people on the move.
There was little permanency in Europe during this time.
This instrument was too clumsy to move around/got easily broken.
Thus gave way for the modern Brass instruments which are bent to allow a similar effect but in a smaller size.
They used the instrument for centuries before so it wasn't like a quick fad that died.
Not to mention the fact that musicians moved around back then just as much as here.
They were always having concerts and festivals here-and-there and motion was a much more manual process.
This thing is somewhere between drum-kit and upright bass on the Unwieldiness Scale.
Musicians themselves much prefer lighter instruments that are easier to move.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158761</id>
	<title>Re:None are left?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243789500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People probably learned how to mass-produce the "coiled" version of bass instruments about that time. Trumpets, Trombones, Tubas, etc are all 6,12, 20 foot of brass tubing wound up with buttons added to make playing easier.  At the time people probably turned in their 8 foot straight horns to have the metal reused in smaller, more versatile instruments. Raw metal was rather valuable so I'd expect horns were recycled into other objects as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People probably learned how to mass-produce the " coiled " version of bass instruments about that time .
Trumpets , Trombones , Tubas , etc are all 6,12 , 20 foot of brass tubing wound up with buttons added to make playing easier .
At the time people probably turned in their 8 foot straight horns to have the metal reused in smaller , more versatile instruments .
Raw metal was rather valuable so I 'd expect horns were recycled into other objects as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People probably learned how to mass-produce the "coiled" version of bass instruments about that time.
Trumpets, Trombones, Tubas, etc are all 6,12, 20 foot of brass tubing wound up with buttons added to make playing easier.
At the time people probably turned in their 8 foot straight horns to have the metal reused in smaller, more versatile instruments.
Raw metal was rather valuable so I'd expect horns were recycled into other objects as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156959</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157043</id>
	<title>heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243770180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>funny, i was just listening to  Toccatas BWV 910-916  Glenn Gould-01-Toccata in D major, BWV 912.flac</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>funny , i was just listening to Toccatas BWV 910-916 Glenn Gould-01-Toccata in D major , BWV 912.flac</tokentext>
<sentencetext>funny, i was just listening to  Toccatas BWV 910-916  Glenn Gould-01-Toccata in D major, BWV 912.flac</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158077</id>
	<title>Extinct for a reason</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243783440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course it is extinct....the little kiddies kept having all of their teeth bashed out and breaking the instruments whenever they moved them around. Little Timmy hated carrying the 8ft plus thing around. Eating and playing are very difficult with no front teeth, and Dad isn't buying a new one every time Timmy decides to use it as a lever or play lances with his neighbor. Dad went out and bought him something far more easy and safe to carry and handle, a Tuba or drumset.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it is extinct....the little kiddies kept having all of their teeth bashed out and breaking the instruments whenever they moved them around .
Little Timmy hated carrying the 8ft plus thing around .
Eating and playing are very difficult with no front teeth , and Dad is n't buying a new one every time Timmy decides to use it as a lever or play lances with his neighbor .
Dad went out and bought him something far more easy and safe to carry and handle , a Tuba or drumset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it is extinct....the little kiddies kept having all of their teeth bashed out and breaking the instruments whenever they moved them around.
Little Timmy hated carrying the 8ft plus thing around.
Eating and playing are very difficult with no front teeth, and Dad isn't buying a new one every time Timmy decides to use it as a lever or play lances with his neighbor.
Dad went out and bought him something far more easy and safe to carry and handle, a Tuba or drumset.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156819</id>
	<title>Lost instrument</title>
	<author>moon3</author>
	<datestamp>1243766700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looks a bit like those Slovak Fujara pipes, but the sound is not so convincing, Fujara sound is amazing!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks a bit like those Slovak Fujara pipes , but the sound is not so convincing , Fujara sound is amazing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks a bit like those Slovak Fujara pipes, but the sound is not so convincing, Fujara sound is amazing!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157295</id>
	<title>How is this the same instrument</title>
	<author>GreenTech11</author>
	<datestamp>1243774140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To quote TFA, they created an instrument based on one no one has ever seen before, how is this the same instrument? It is simply an instrument that might make similar sounds, and probably looks quite different...</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To quote TFA , they created an instrument based on one no one has ever seen before , how is this the same instrument ?
It is simply an instrument that might make similar sounds , and probably looks quite different.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To quote TFA, they created an instrument based on one no one has ever seen before, how is this the same instrument?
It is simply an instrument that might make similar sounds, and probably looks quite different...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156741</id>
	<title>Frist psot!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243765440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last\_post" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">lats psot</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>lats psot [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lats psot [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157331</id>
	<title>why not PM synthesis?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243774620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Physical Modelling synthesis has been around for a long time and produces great results. Why go through all the trouble of making an actual instrument when PM synthesis would have allowed the recreation of the sound on a much more limited budget, and without the trouble of finding people to try to play the thing ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Physical Modelling synthesis has been around for a long time and produces great results .
Why go through all the trouble of making an actual instrument when PM synthesis would have allowed the recreation of the sound on a much more limited budget , and without the trouble of finding people to try to play the thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Physical Modelling synthesis has been around for a long time and produces great results.
Why go through all the trouble of making an actual instrument when PM synthesis would have allowed the recreation of the sound on a much more limited budget, and without the trouble of finding people to try to play the thing ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28159323</id>
	<title>Re:re-creation? ITS A GUESS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243793940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More likely it's some kind of alphorn... perhaps a bucium (a Romanian instrument someone pointed out earlier), but it's worth checking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More likely it 's some kind of alphorn... perhaps a bucium ( a Romanian instrument someone pointed out earlier ) , but it 's worth checking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More likely it's some kind of alphorn... perhaps a bucium (a Romanian instrument someone pointed out earlier), but it's worth checking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156949</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157135</id>
	<title>Headline had me going for a while</title>
	<author>Leemeng</author>
	<datestamp>1243771680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought someone had created that Swan electromagnetic thingy from "Lost"!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought someone had created that Swan electromagnetic thingy from " Lost " !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought someone had created that Swan electromagnetic thingy from "Lost"!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157601</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243778580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I mean, if they didn't release them then, it was probably because they weren't good enough.</p><p>You've got it.  If it was any good, Bach would have released a CD featuring those instruments - the fact that he didn't proves that they're not really any good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I mean , if they did n't release them then , it was probably because they were n't good enough.You 've got it .
If it was any good , Bach would have released a CD featuring those instruments - the fact that he did n't proves that they 're not really any good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I mean, if they didn't release them then, it was probably because they weren't good enough.You've got it.
If it was any good, Bach would have released a CD featuring those instruments - the fact that he didn't proves that they're not really any good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28158881</id>
	<title>Lost</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1243790340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dang, I thought it was related to <a href="http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/" title="go.com">television/TV series</a> [go.com]!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dang , I thought it was related to television/TV series [ go.com ] !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dang, I thought it was related to television/TV series [go.com]!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157233</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>Takichi</author>
	<datestamp>1243773180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>By that logic, we shouldn't study past civilizations or organisms because they obviously weren't good enough to survive.

Maybe the sound it produced or the music that was written for it wasn't to your liking, but it still uncovered information we didn't previously have. I personally applaud any work into historical sound since we've only had the technology to preserve them for about a century. It's not like we can dig up some soil to listen to things in the past.</htmltext>
<tokenext>By that logic , we should n't study past civilizations or organisms because they obviously were n't good enough to survive .
Maybe the sound it produced or the music that was written for it was n't to your liking , but it still uncovered information we did n't previously have .
I personally applaud any work into historical sound since we 've only had the technology to preserve them for about a century .
It 's not like we can dig up some soil to listen to things in the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By that logic, we shouldn't study past civilizations or organisms because they obviously weren't good enough to survive.
Maybe the sound it produced or the music that was written for it wasn't to your liking, but it still uncovered information we didn't previously have.
I personally applaud any work into historical sound since we've only had the technology to preserve them for about a century.
It's not like we can dig up some soil to listen to things in the past.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28157705</id>
	<title>Phew</title>
	<author>skroops</author>
	<datestamp>1243779900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a second I was worried I'd be pushing a button every <a href="http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Push\_the\_button" title="wikia.com" rel="nofollow">108 minutes</a> [wikia.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a second I was worried I 'd be pushing a button every 108 minutes [ wikia.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a second I was worried I'd be pushing a button every 108 minutes [wikia.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156965</id>
	<title>yea right.</title>
	<author>mustafap</author>
	<datestamp>1243768800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;even though no one alive today has heard, played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument."</p><p>So in fact he could make it sound like any old shit, and who is to disagree with him?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; even though no one alive today has heard , played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument .
" So in fact he could make it sound like any old shit , and who is to disagree with him ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;even though no one alive today has heard, played or even seen a picture of this forgotten instrument.
"So in fact he could make it sound like any old shit, and who is to disagree with him?
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28168207</id>
	<title>Re:Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243871820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They weren't good enough to stand up with other Beatles song. They're still probably much better than the latest by Britney.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were n't good enough to stand up with other Beatles song .
They 're still probably much better than the latest by Britney .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They weren't good enough to stand up with other Beatles song.
They're still probably much better than the latest by Britney.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156913</id>
	<title>Liitus see ...</title>
	<author>upside</author>
	<datestamp>1243768200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I'd imagine an instrument created by a software model would look like. Wake me up when the software "creates" an instrument that looks more Klingon and less "software model".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I 'd imagine an instrument created by a software model would look like .
Wake me up when the software " creates " an instrument that looks more Klingon and less " software model " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I'd imagine an instrument created by a software model would look like.
Wake me up when the software "creates" an instrument that looks more Klingon and less "software model".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28156881</id>
	<title>Let sleeping dogs lie</title>
	<author>OpenSourced</author>
	<datestamp>1243767720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To hear the sounds generated by this re-created instrument, reinforced me in my belief that extinct instruments are extinct with very good reasons. It's like when I hear that they will publish some "previously unreleased" songs from The Beatles, or whoever. I mean, if they didn't release them then, it was probably because they weren't good enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To hear the sounds generated by this re-created instrument , reinforced me in my belief that extinct instruments are extinct with very good reasons .
It 's like when I hear that they will publish some " previously unreleased " songs from The Beatles , or whoever .
I mean , if they did n't release them then , it was probably because they were n't good enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To hear the sounds generated by this re-created instrument, reinforced me in my belief that extinct instruments are extinct with very good reasons.
It's like when I hear that they will publish some "previously unreleased" songs from The Beatles, or whoever.
I mean, if they didn't release them then, it was probably because they weren't good enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_31_0819204.28168195</id>
	<title>Re:great research</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243871760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>great research</p><p>And the best thing about it--nobody can prove it wrong.</p></div><p>Unless further research shows it to be wrong.  Such as someone finding pieces of one in an attic or archive.   Or some documentation on how they were constructed.  Or if more music or documentation appears which suggests that the instrument is different than the prototype design.</p><p>Like all published research, now all the other researchers in music can take a look.   Don't expect others in his field to be blindly accepting of his conclusions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>great researchAnd the best thing about it--nobody can prove it wrong.Unless further research shows it to be wrong .
Such as someone finding pieces of one in an attic or archive .
Or some documentation on how they were constructed .
Or if more music or documentation appears which suggests that the instrument is different than the prototype design.Like all published research , now all the other researchers in music can take a look .
Do n't expect others in his field to be blindly accepting of his conclusions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>great researchAnd the best thing about it--nobody can prove it wrong.Unless further research shows it to be wrong.
Such as someone finding pieces of one in an attic or archive.
Or some documentation on how they were constructed.
Or if more music or documentation appears which suggests that the instrument is different than the prototype design.Like all published research, now all the other researchers in music can take a look.
Don't expect others in his field to be blindly accepting of his conclusions.
	</sentencetext>
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