<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_30_0219208</id>
	<title>Developer Creates DIY 8-Bit CPU</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1243685580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>MaizeMan writes <i>"Not for the easily distracted: a Belmont software developer's hand-built CPU was featured in Wired recently. Starting with a $50 wire wrap board, Steve Chamberlin <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/homebrewed-cpu/">built his CPU with 1253 pieces of wire</a>, each wire wrapped by hand at both ends. Chamberlin  salvaged parts from '70s and '80s era computers, and the final result is an 8-bit processor with keyboard input, a USB connection, and VGA graphical output. <a href="http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/2009/05/28/bmow-project-summary/">More details are available</a> on the developer's blog."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>MaizeMan writes " Not for the easily distracted : a Belmont software developer 's hand-built CPU was featured in Wired recently .
Starting with a $ 50 wire wrap board , Steve Chamberlin built his CPU with 1253 pieces of wire , each wire wrapped by hand at both ends .
Chamberlin salvaged parts from '70s and '80s era computers , and the final result is an 8-bit processor with keyboard input , a USB connection , and VGA graphical output .
More details are available on the developer 's blog .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MaizeMan writes "Not for the easily distracted: a Belmont software developer's hand-built CPU was featured in Wired recently.
Starting with a $50 wire wrap board, Steve Chamberlin built his CPU with 1253 pieces of wire, each wire wrapped by hand at both ends.
Chamberlin  salvaged parts from '70s and '80s era computers, and the final result is an 8-bit processor with keyboard input, a USB connection, and VGA graphical output.
More details are available on the developer's blog.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150311</id>
	<title>Where does it say that?</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1243706460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The article mentions "Z-80" among the parts used. The Z-80 itself is an 8-Bit CPU.</i></p><p>The blog says "Build the CPU from scratch, primarily using basic 7400-series logic. <b>No</b> 6502, Z-80, etc."</p><p>That's the only reference to the Z80 I can find in either the article or the blog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article mentions " Z-80 " among the parts used .
The Z-80 itself is an 8-Bit CPU.The blog says " Build the CPU from scratch , primarily using basic 7400-series logic .
No 6502 , Z-80 , etc .
" That 's the only reference to the Z80 I can find in either the article or the blog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article mentions "Z-80" among the parts used.
The Z-80 itself is an 8-Bit CPU.The blog says "Build the CPU from scratch, primarily using basic 7400-series logic.
No 6502, Z-80, etc.
"That's the only reference to the Z80 I can find in either the article or the blog.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148769</id>
	<title>That's how we used to make all hobby computers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243691340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, baby...<br>Back before the days of the 4004, 8008, and 8080, when we built computers, we REALLY built computers.<br>None of this: take a pre-built-motherboard, add a pre-built-power-supply, add a pre-built graphics card...</p><p>oblig: get off my lawn</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , baby...Back before the days of the 4004 , 8008 , and 8080 , when we built computers , we REALLY built computers.None of this : take a pre-built-motherboard , add a pre-built-power-supply , add a pre-built graphics card...oblig : get off my lawn</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, baby...Back before the days of the 4004, 8008, and 8080, when we built computers, we REALLY built computers.None of this: take a pre-built-motherboard, add a pre-built-power-supply, add a pre-built graphics card...oblig: get off my lawn</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148731</id>
	<title>But does it run Minix 1?</title>
	<author>Celeste R</author>
	<datestamp>1243690920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After all, it has to be better than MS-DOS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After all , it has to be better than MS-DOS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After all, it has to be better than MS-DOS!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149063</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1243695540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that and another lifetime or so hand-crafting 1GB+ of memory chips, yeah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that and another lifetime or so hand-crafting 1GB + of memory chips , yeah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that and another lifetime or so hand-crafting 1GB+ of memory chips, yeah.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149239</id>
	<title>Re:A lenient definition of "make"</title>
	<author>m50d</author>
	<datestamp>1243697400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The only other sensible option for someone who wants to "make" their own CPU at home would be to program an FPGA, which is certainly less interesting than what this guy has done.</i> <p>I'm not at all convinced. Sure, it'd be less likely to put your name on slashdot, but the part doing it on the FPGA removes - connecting all the wires together - isn't actually interesting; by and large, it's tedious manual labour. It's certainly worth knowing how to, but honestly once you've wired ten chips up you've pretty much "done them all". To my mind using an FPGA makes it easier to concentrate on the actually interesting part, the processor design, rather than getting caught up in the endless "wire A into hole B".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only other sensible option for someone who wants to " make " their own CPU at home would be to program an FPGA , which is certainly less interesting than what this guy has done .
I 'm not at all convinced .
Sure , it 'd be less likely to put your name on slashdot , but the part doing it on the FPGA removes - connecting all the wires together - is n't actually interesting ; by and large , it 's tedious manual labour .
It 's certainly worth knowing how to , but honestly once you 've wired ten chips up you 've pretty much " done them all " .
To my mind using an FPGA makes it easier to concentrate on the actually interesting part , the processor design , rather than getting caught up in the endless " wire A into hole B " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only other sensible option for someone who wants to "make" their own CPU at home would be to program an FPGA, which is certainly less interesting than what this guy has done.
I'm not at all convinced.
Sure, it'd be less likely to put your name on slashdot, but the part doing it on the FPGA removes - connecting all the wires together - isn't actually interesting; by and large, it's tedious manual labour.
It's certainly worth knowing how to, but honestly once you've wired ten chips up you've pretty much "done them all".
To my mind using an FPGA makes it easier to concentrate on the actually interesting part, the processor design, rather than getting caught up in the endless "wire A into hole B".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148875</id>
	<title>Will take some time...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243693020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... to wire a Beowulf cluster of those...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... to wire a Beowulf cluster of those.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... to wire a Beowulf cluster of those...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148905</id>
	<title>Real dedication!</title>
	<author>JohnMurtari</author>
	<datestamp>1243693560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I remember a grad class that went into circuit design and register transfer language.  I was amazed how opcodes could be made to twiddle bits.

We just had a software simulator to try our designs -- I admire this guy for building it. Cool!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember a grad class that went into circuit design and register transfer language .
I was amazed how opcodes could be made to twiddle bits .
We just had a software simulator to try our designs -- I admire this guy for building it .
Cool !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember a grad class that went into circuit design and register transfer language.
I was amazed how opcodes could be made to twiddle bits.
We just had a software simulator to try our designs -- I admire this guy for building it.
Cool!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150901</id>
	<title>Intel 4004 schematics</title>
	<author>MillionthMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1243711500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just look at all the <a href="http://www.4004.com/assets/4004-lajos-schematics.gif" title="4004.com">embroidery</a> [4004.com] in a 4-bit CPU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just look at all the embroidery [ 4004.com ] in a 4-bit CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just look at all the embroidery [4004.com] in a 4-bit CPU.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28151075</id>
	<title>Relay computer from scratch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243713180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is an example of *really* building a computer from scratch<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... although he didn't wind the relays himself<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/relaycomputertwo/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is an example of * really * building a computer from scratch ... although he did n't wind the relays himself ...http : //www.electronixandmore.com/project/relaycomputertwo/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is an example of *really* building a computer from scratch ... although he didn't wind the relays himself ...http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/relaycomputertwo/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28154879</id>
	<title>Impressive...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243697700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Impressive... in a "wow, that sure took a lot of time" way. Wish I had spare time like that.</p><p>He sounds like he probably owns all of the Star Trek series on DVD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Impressive... in a " wow , that sure took a lot of time " way .
Wish I had spare time like that.He sounds like he probably owns all of the Star Trek series on DVD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Impressive... in a "wow, that sure took a lot of time" way.
Wish I had spare time like that.He sounds like he probably owns all of the Star Trek series on DVD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149361</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243698300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, your comment reminds me of those keychains that say, "How do you keep an idiot amused for hours?  Turn over..."  Guess what is written on the other side.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , your comment reminds me of those keychains that say , " How do you keep an idiot amused for hours ?
Turn over... " Guess what is written on the other side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, your comment reminds me of those keychains that say, "How do you keep an idiot amused for hours?
Turn over..."  Guess what is written on the other side.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148715</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149209</id>
	<title>Re:Why did he do all this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243697040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can just imagine what my wife would think... <b>(She'd let me, she's great that way...).</b></p> </div><p>She'd <i>let</i> you? And that's a virtue? Damn, man.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can just imagine what my wife would think... ( She 'd let me , she 's great that way... ) .
She 'd let you ?
And that 's a virtue ?
Damn , man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can just imagine what my wife would think... (She'd let me, she's great that way...).
She'd let you?
And that's a virtue?
Damn, man.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148829</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148825</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243692300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, your response applies slightly more to Linux (one would just have to implement a Linux kernel on the 8-bit CPU, which isn't likely to happen to anytime soon) and doesn't really apply to Vista at all.  MIcrosoft would have to implement Vista, and unless there is sufficient market demand for this 8-bit CPU, they'll never do it, since the incentive for them to write an 8-bit Vista is approximately zero.</p><p>While it may be possible to write a Linux kernel for an 8-bit processor, this, too, is not likely, at least not a complete Linux kernel.   Linux was pretty much designed and written from the ground up on a 32-bit processor with built-in low-level support for multitasking.</p><p>So, IOW, while you are theoretically correct, from a practical standpoint implementing Vista or Linux or any other modern OS, with the exception of FreeDOS, is virtually impossible.  Hence, the GP's joke retains its original humor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , your response applies slightly more to Linux ( one would just have to implement a Linux kernel on the 8-bit CPU , which is n't likely to happen to anytime soon ) and does n't really apply to Vista at all .
MIcrosoft would have to implement Vista , and unless there is sufficient market demand for this 8-bit CPU , they 'll never do it , since the incentive for them to write an 8-bit Vista is approximately zero.While it may be possible to write a Linux kernel for an 8-bit processor , this , too , is not likely , at least not a complete Linux kernel .
Linux was pretty much designed and written from the ground up on a 32-bit processor with built-in low-level support for multitasking.So , IOW , while you are theoretically correct , from a practical standpoint implementing Vista or Linux or any other modern OS , with the exception of FreeDOS , is virtually impossible .
Hence , the GP 's joke retains its original humor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, your response applies slightly more to Linux (one would just have to implement a Linux kernel on the 8-bit CPU, which isn't likely to happen to anytime soon) and doesn't really apply to Vista at all.
MIcrosoft would have to implement Vista, and unless there is sufficient market demand for this 8-bit CPU, they'll never do it, since the incentive for them to write an 8-bit Vista is approximately zero.While it may be possible to write a Linux kernel for an 8-bit processor, this, too, is not likely, at least not a complete Linux kernel.
Linux was pretty much designed and written from the ground up on a 32-bit processor with built-in low-level support for multitasking.So, IOW, while you are theoretically correct, from a practical standpoint implementing Vista or Linux or any other modern OS, with the exception of FreeDOS, is virtually impossible.
Hence, the GP's joke retains its original humor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150431</id>
	<title>Re:Why did he do all this?</title>
	<author>htdrifter</author>
	<datestamp>1243707540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do it for the same reason you climb a mountain.<br>Because it's there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do it for the same reason you climb a mountain.Because it 's there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do it for the same reason you climb a mountain.Because it's there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148829</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149375</id>
	<title>Re:That's how we used to make all hobby computers</title>
	<author>earthforce\_1</author>
	<datestamp>1243698480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ROM in the computer on the moon lander used ferrite rope memory that was hand strung from bins of cores pre-programmed as '1's and '0's.  The assemblers literally had a bin full of 1's and 0's.</p><p>Those where the days when assembly programming really meant just that.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo\_Guidance\_Computer" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo\_Guidance\_Computer</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ROM in the computer on the moon lander used ferrite rope memory that was hand strung from bins of cores pre-programmed as '1 's and '0 's .
The assemblers literally had a bin full of 1 's and 0 's.Those where the days when assembly programming really meant just that.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo \ _Guidance \ _Computer [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ROM in the computer on the moon lander used ferrite rope memory that was hand strung from bins of cores pre-programmed as '1's and '0's.
The assemblers literally had a bin full of 1's and 0's.Those where the days when assembly programming really meant just that.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo\_Guidance\_Computer [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148847</id>
	<title>Eek! Wire wrapping!</title>
	<author>Sponge Bath</author>
	<datestamp>1243692660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the board level products I designed in the early 90s had to be prototyped with wire wrapping. Even if you are careful, by the time you do hundreds of connections it is almost inevitable there is some flaw. You might miscount a row of pins and attach to the wrong pin. The process of layering multiple connection to a single pin might damage a wire at the bottom. Wires might break or make a shaky connection that comes or goes.</p><p>I would not ever want to go back to that, but it did two useful things: The plodding physical process of "I'm now connecting this to that." forced a slow, comprehensive walk through of your design which can reveal design mistakes. The other is honing debugging skills of intermittent problems: "Is this a design flaw or a wire making poor contact?".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the board level products I designed in the early 90s had to be prototyped with wire wrapping .
Even if you are careful , by the time you do hundreds of connections it is almost inevitable there is some flaw .
You might miscount a row of pins and attach to the wrong pin .
The process of layering multiple connection to a single pin might damage a wire at the bottom .
Wires might break or make a shaky connection that comes or goes.I would not ever want to go back to that , but it did two useful things : The plodding physical process of " I 'm now connecting this to that .
" forced a slow , comprehensive walk through of your design which can reveal design mistakes .
The other is honing debugging skills of intermittent problems : " Is this a design flaw or a wire making poor contact ?
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the board level products I designed in the early 90s had to be prototyped with wire wrapping.
Even if you are careful, by the time you do hundreds of connections it is almost inevitable there is some flaw.
You might miscount a row of pins and attach to the wrong pin.
The process of layering multiple connection to a single pin might damage a wire at the bottom.
Wires might break or make a shaky connection that comes or goes.I would not ever want to go back to that, but it did two useful things: The plodding physical process of "I'm now connecting this to that.
" forced a slow, comprehensive walk through of your design which can reveal design mistakes.
The other is honing debugging skills of intermittent problems: "Is this a design flaw or a wire making poor contact?
".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148743</id>
	<title>Re:A lenient definition of "make"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243690980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the way it used to be done: I wouldn't claim that DEC engineers did not "make" the PDP-1 because it was constructed from wire-wrap discrete components. The only other sensible option for someone who wants to "make" their own CPU at home would be to program an FPGA, which is certainly less interesting than what this guy has done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the way it used to be done : I would n't claim that DEC engineers did not " make " the PDP-1 because it was constructed from wire-wrap discrete components .
The only other sensible option for someone who wants to " make " their own CPU at home would be to program an FPGA , which is certainly less interesting than what this guy has done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the way it used to be done: I wouldn't claim that DEC engineers did not "make" the PDP-1 because it was constructed from wire-wrap discrete components.
The only other sensible option for someone who wants to "make" their own CPU at home would be to program an FPGA, which is certainly less interesting than what this guy has done.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149141</id>
	<title>newsworthy?</title>
	<author>SolusSD</author>
	<datestamp>1243696260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds like the kind of project any computer engineering undergrad curriculum would cover. Myself, I have had to design/build 4 different processors of varying complexity (basic mips, pipelined, superscalar, etc) during my years as an undergrad. Its cool nonetheless and by no means "easy".</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like the kind of project any computer engineering undergrad curriculum would cover .
Myself , I have had to design/build 4 different processors of varying complexity ( basic mips , pipelined , superscalar , etc ) during my years as an undergrad .
Its cool nonetheless and by no means " easy " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like the kind of project any computer engineering undergrad curriculum would cover.
Myself, I have had to design/build 4 different processors of varying complexity (basic mips, pipelined, superscalar, etc) during my years as an undergrad.
Its cool nonetheless and by no means "easy".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148995</id>
	<title>Re:Why did he do all this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243694700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well in that case according to the article you just spent $1000 and 18 months for nothing? Come on, if you can do this, you can do better at explaining than that!!!</p></div><p>He did it for fun. 18 months is 78 weeks. $1000 for 78 weeks of a fun hobby works out to be about $13 dollars per week. That's pretty reasonable for a hobby. A cinema visit with popcorn once per week would probably cost more.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well in that case according to the article you just spent $ 1000 and 18 months for nothing ?
Come on , if you can do this , you can do better at explaining than that ! !
! He did it for fun .
18 months is 78 weeks .
$ 1000 for 78 weeks of a fun hobby works out to be about $ 13 dollars per week .
That 's pretty reasonable for a hobby .
A cinema visit with popcorn once per week would probably cost more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well in that case according to the article you just spent $1000 and 18 months for nothing?
Come on, if you can do this, you can do better at explaining than that!!
!He did it for fun.
18 months is 78 weeks.
$1000 for 78 weeks of a fun hobby works out to be about $13 dollars per week.
That's pretty reasonable for a hobby.
A cinema visit with popcorn once per week would probably cost more.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148795</id>
	<title>Watchout Intel</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1243691880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is about time that Intel has some competition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is about time that Intel has some competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is about time that Intel has some competition.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149191</id>
	<title>Love that it is on wired</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1243696920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Sounds</b> like the right mag for this project, though make is the more appropriate one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like the right mag for this project , though make is the more appropriate one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like the right mag for this project, though make is the more appropriate one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149457</id>
	<title>Re:A lenient definition of "make"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243699260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "make your own chip" approach is usually done in FPGAs these days.  You can still buy a 6502, as a verilog program for an FPGA, if you <i>really</i> want it.  As to actually processing your own silicon wafer, that <i>can</i> be done in your garage workshop, but is much harder.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " make your own chip " approach is usually done in FPGAs these days .
You can still buy a 6502 , as a verilog program for an FPGA , if you really want it .
As to actually processing your own silicon wafer , that can be done in your garage workshop , but is much harder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "make your own chip" approach is usually done in FPGAs these days.
You can still buy a 6502, as a verilog program for an FPGA, if you really want it.
As to actually processing your own silicon wafer, that can be done in your garage workshop, but is much harder.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150687</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista</title>
	<author>MillionthMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1243709640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried writing a virtualization in Z-80 assembler of a 32-bit system meeting Microsoft's specifications for Vista.</p><p>Unfortunately it couldn't actually run Vista because Microsoft underballed the requirements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried writing a virtualization in Z-80 assembler of a 32-bit system meeting Microsoft 's specifications for Vista.Unfortunately it could n't actually run Vista because Microsoft underballed the requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried writing a virtualization in Z-80 assembler of a 32-bit system meeting Microsoft's specifications for Vista.Unfortunately it couldn't actually run Vista because Microsoft underballed the requirements.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148725</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149569</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1243700580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Turing-complete is not enough if you have a user interface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Turing-complete is not enough if you have a user interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turing-complete is not enough if you have a user interface.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148725</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148715</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>derspankster</author>
	<datestamp>1243690740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another semi-creative way to waste your time. Lovely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another semi-creative way to waste your time .
Lovely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another semi-creative way to waste your time.
Lovely.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149241</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243697400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus.</p></div><p>Because four instances of Windows can run in parallel on an 8-bit CPU.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus.Because four instances of Windows can run in parallel on an 8-bit CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus.Because four instances of Windows can run in parallel on an 8-bit CPU.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148935</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243693980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>any Turing machine can emulate any other. an 8 bit CPU can do a 128 bit calculation, it just has to do it in small steps. you would probably need a lot of disk space.</p><p>for example you store on disk the input and output of every transistor in a core2duo. then you iterate through each transistor and set the output according to the input. it may take a billion clock cycles to emulate one core2duo clock cycle, but its possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>any Turing machine can emulate any other .
an 8 bit CPU can do a 128 bit calculation , it just has to do it in small steps .
you would probably need a lot of disk space.for example you store on disk the input and output of every transistor in a core2duo .
then you iterate through each transistor and set the output according to the input .
it may take a billion clock cycles to emulate one core2duo clock cycle , but its possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>any Turing machine can emulate any other.
an 8 bit CPU can do a 128 bit calculation, it just has to do it in small steps.
you would probably need a lot of disk space.for example you store on disk the input and output of every transistor in a core2duo.
then you iterate through each transistor and set the output according to the input.
it may take a billion clock cycles to emulate one core2duo clock cycle, but its possible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148825</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148669</id>
	<title>But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>VampireByte</author>
	<datestamp>1243689720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, I just had to ask.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , I just had to ask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, I just had to ask.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28151059</id>
	<title>That reminded me of a Microsoft joke...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243713120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Windows: A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Windows : A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company that ca n't stand one bit of competition .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Windows: A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148657</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149969</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243703760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but this machine is not a turing machine, it doesn't have unbounded storage. It doesn't even have sufficient storage to run Vista by any means.  Ivory tower bullshit often gets smacked down by reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but this machine is not a turing machine , it does n't have unbounded storage .
It does n't even have sufficient storage to run Vista by any means .
Ivory tower bullshit often gets smacked down by reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but this machine is not a turing machine, it doesn't have unbounded storage.
It doesn't even have sufficient storage to run Vista by any means.
Ivory tower bullshit often gets smacked down by reality.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148935</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148761</id>
	<title>Correct!  Six thousand cores</title>
	<author>Dachannien</author>
	<datestamp>1243691160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>built his CPU with 1253 pieces of wire</p></div><p> <b>Farnsworth:</b> Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my work stool, and over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here is where I keep assorted lengths of wire.<br><b>Fry:</b> Whoa! A real live space ship!<br><b>Farnsworth:</b> I designed it myself. Let me show you some of the different lengths of wire I used.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>built his CPU with 1253 pieces of wire Farnsworth : Let me show you around .
That 's my lab table , and this is my work stool , and over there is my intergalactic spaceship .
And here is where I keep assorted lengths of wire.Fry : Whoa !
A real live space ship ! Farnsworth : I designed it myself .
Let me show you some of the different lengths of wire I used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>built his CPU with 1253 pieces of wire Farnsworth: Let me show you around.
That's my lab table, and this is my work stool, and over there is my intergalactic spaceship.
And here is where I keep assorted lengths of wire.Fry: Whoa!
A real live space ship!Farnsworth: I designed it myself.
Let me show you some of the different lengths of wire I used.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148737</id>
	<title>I would love to do that.</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1243690920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only I had a time machine and a highly extended lifespan, so I could spare a couple thousand  hours on  it...</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only I had a time machine and a highly extended lifespan , so I could spare a couple thousand hours on it...-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only I had a time machine and a highly extended lifespan, so I could spare a couple thousand  hours on  it...-jcr</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149077</id>
	<title>.. so some slashdot halfwit could criticises him</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243695720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>slashdot is really sucking hard these days.</p><p>the guy makes an off-the-cuff comment about his motivation, and some braindead moron on slashdot criticizes him for it.</p><p>HE MADE A FUCKING COMPUTER, YOU MOUTH-BREATHING DIPSHIT.</p><p>of course he had motivation!  how could you sum up the motivation in just a couple of words?</p><p>what worthless piece of shit you are</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>slashdot is really sucking hard these days.the guy makes an off-the-cuff comment about his motivation , and some braindead moron on slashdot criticizes him for it.HE MADE A FUCKING COMPUTER , YOU MOUTH-BREATHING DIPSHIT.of course he had motivation !
how could you sum up the motivation in just a couple of words ? what worthless piece of shit you are</tokentext>
<sentencetext>slashdot is really sucking hard these days.the guy makes an off-the-cuff comment about his motivation, and some braindead moron on slashdot criticizes him for it.HE MADE A FUCKING COMPUTER, YOU MOUTH-BREATHING DIPSHIT.of course he had motivation!
how could you sum up the motivation in just a couple of words?what worthless piece of shit you are</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148829</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148705</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243690560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wooooosh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wooooosh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wooooosh</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28151553</id>
	<title>Re:A lenient definition of "make"</title>
	<author>tuxicle</author>
	<datestamp>1243716120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Initially, I was quite surprised he could squeeze enough stuff to build a computer capable of running a BASIC interpreter on a single Augat board, given his claim of only using 7400 logic.</p><p>Scroll down to the <a href="http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/2009/04/12/board-layout/" title="stevechamberlin.com" rel="nofollow">Board Layout</a> [stevechamberlin.com] on his blog, you'll find that many of the supposed "7400" logic chips are actually 20V8 and 22V10 PALs. Programmable logic heresy, I tell you!</p><p>The actual 7400 logic chips I found so far are: 74LS74 (Flip flops), 74LS139 (dual 1:4 decoder), 74LS161 (dual 4-bit counter), 74LS163 (dual 4-bit counter), 74LS181 (ALU), 74LS244 (Bus transceiver), 74LS377 (octal D flip flop).</p><p>Given that mix, I would say this falls somewhere in the MicroVAX era, which had a similar mix of low-density PALs and 7400 logic. My colleague at work used to make stuff on similar boards. Some examples include a color display driver (for a VAX) and an antenna positioner (again, for a VAX). The display driver has long been replaced by Linux boxes, but the antenna positioner (and VAX) still <a href="http://www.chill.colostate.edu/w/Facilities#CSU-Pawnee" title="colostate.edu" rel="nofollow">lives on</a> [colostate.edu].</p><p>Steve, if you're reading this, we still have lots of Augat boards kicking around, along with lots of boxes of 7400 logic (sorry, no 22V10s!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Initially , I was quite surprised he could squeeze enough stuff to build a computer capable of running a BASIC interpreter on a single Augat board , given his claim of only using 7400 logic.Scroll down to the Board Layout [ stevechamberlin.com ] on his blog , you 'll find that many of the supposed " 7400 " logic chips are actually 20V8 and 22V10 PALs .
Programmable logic heresy , I tell you ! The actual 7400 logic chips I found so far are : 74LS74 ( Flip flops ) , 74LS139 ( dual 1 : 4 decoder ) , 74LS161 ( dual 4-bit counter ) , 74LS163 ( dual 4-bit counter ) , 74LS181 ( ALU ) , 74LS244 ( Bus transceiver ) , 74LS377 ( octal D flip flop ) .Given that mix , I would say this falls somewhere in the MicroVAX era , which had a similar mix of low-density PALs and 7400 logic .
My colleague at work used to make stuff on similar boards .
Some examples include a color display driver ( for a VAX ) and an antenna positioner ( again , for a VAX ) .
The display driver has long been replaced by Linux boxes , but the antenna positioner ( and VAX ) still lives on [ colostate.edu ] .Steve , if you 're reading this , we still have lots of Augat boards kicking around , along with lots of boxes of 7400 logic ( sorry , no 22V10s !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Initially, I was quite surprised he could squeeze enough stuff to build a computer capable of running a BASIC interpreter on a single Augat board, given his claim of only using 7400 logic.Scroll down to the Board Layout [stevechamberlin.com] on his blog, you'll find that many of the supposed "7400" logic chips are actually 20V8 and 22V10 PALs.
Programmable logic heresy, I tell you!The actual 7400 logic chips I found so far are: 74LS74 (Flip flops), 74LS139 (dual 1:4 decoder), 74LS161 (dual 4-bit counter), 74LS163 (dual 4-bit counter), 74LS181 (ALU), 74LS244 (Bus transceiver), 74LS377 (octal D flip flop).Given that mix, I would say this falls somewhere in the MicroVAX era, which had a similar mix of low-density PALs and 7400 logic.
My colleague at work used to make stuff on similar boards.
Some examples include a color display driver (for a VAX) and an antenna positioner (again, for a VAX).
The display driver has long been replaced by Linux boxes, but the antenna positioner (and VAX) still lives on [colostate.edu].Steve, if you're reading this, we still have lots of Augat boards kicking around, along with lots of boxes of 7400 logic (sorry, no 22V10s!
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28152081</id>
	<title>Fine you drive an early car then</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1243676040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One where you had to give a rat arse about the ambient temperature to set the fuel mix, where you had to handcrank to get an idea what compression really means. Real manly brakes, none of this ABS crap that required you to anticipate as it would take a while to bring several tons of metal to a full stop. Etc etc. Personally, I love the modern age, where we can concentrate on what we want to achieve not being limited by the tools.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One where you had to give a rat arse about the ambient temperature to set the fuel mix , where you had to handcrank to get an idea what compression really means .
Real manly brakes , none of this ABS crap that required you to anticipate as it would take a while to bring several tons of metal to a full stop .
Etc etc .
Personally , I love the modern age , where we can concentrate on what we want to achieve not being limited by the tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One where you had to give a rat arse about the ambient temperature to set the fuel mix, where you had to handcrank to get an idea what compression really means.
Real manly brakes, none of this ABS crap that required you to anticipate as it would take a while to bring several tons of metal to a full stop.
Etc etc.
Personally, I love the modern age, where we can concentrate on what we want to achieve not being limited by the tools.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148953</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149297</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>the person standing</author>
	<datestamp>1243697880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Emulating virtual address space would eat up most of the time. Besides the patience, the users lifespan might be the limiting factor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Emulating virtual address space would eat up most of the time .
Besides the patience , the users lifespan might be the limiting factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emulating virtual address space would eat up most of the time.
Besides the patience, the users lifespan might be the limiting factor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148725</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150349</id>
	<title>But Russians did it first!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243706820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in the '80s there was a rumor of a Russian version of the Apple II with the CPU implemented in wire-wrap, because they couldn't get actual 6502s in Russia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the '80s there was a rumor of a Russian version of the Apple II with the CPU implemented in wire-wrap , because they could n't get actual 6502s in Russia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the '80s there was a rumor of a Russian version of the Apple II with the CPU implemented in wire-wrap, because they couldn't get actual 6502s in Russia.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28153241</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243683480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     I wouldn't use it seriously, but there ARE two ports of Linux to small systems -- ucLinux is a more-or-less Linux version for MMUless systems (Originally the Dragonball, a Motorola 68K variant).  And ELKS is a bit moribund I think, but was a Linux port to 8088 -- I think this would port OK to this system, it'd boot and run on a 640K system XT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't use it seriously , but there ARE two ports of Linux to small systems -- ucLinux is a more-or-less Linux version for MMUless systems ( Originally the Dragonball , a Motorola 68K variant ) .
And ELKS is a bit moribund I think , but was a Linux port to 8088 -- I think this would port OK to this system , it 'd boot and run on a 640K system XT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     I wouldn't use it seriously, but there ARE two ports of Linux to small systems -- ucLinux is a more-or-less Linux version for MMUless systems (Originally the Dragonball, a Motorola 68K variant).
And ELKS is a bit moribund I think, but was a Linux port to 8088 -- I think this would port OK to this system, it'd boot and run on a 640K system XT.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148825</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148923</id>
	<title>wire wrap vs. bread board</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243693740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never understood by bread boards replaced wire wrap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never understood by bread boards replaced wire wrap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never understood by bread boards replaced wire wrap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28151833</id>
	<title>The PDP-1 was soldered, not wire wrapped</title>
	<author>phage434</author>
	<datestamp>1243674660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wire wrapped construction was a great step forward in reliability from the solder of the PDP-1 and PDP-6 computers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wire wrapped construction was a great step forward in reliability from the solder of the PDP-1 and PDP-6 computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wire wrapped construction was a great step forward in reliability from the solder of the PDP-1 and PDP-6 computers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28151523</id>
	<title>did anyone ref. this yet?</title>
	<author>throughwithit</author>
	<datestamp>1243716000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reminds me of when I had to travel back in time to make sure some woman got hit by a car.

Vacuum tubes...

THEN I'd be impressed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of when I had to travel back in time to make sure some woman got hit by a car .
Vacuum tubes.. . THEN I 'd be impressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reminds me of when I had to travel back in time to make sure some woman got hit by a car.
Vacuum tubes...

THEN I'd be impressed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150031</id>
	<title>Not to disparage the accomplishment, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243704240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article mentions "Z-80" among the parts used. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilog\_Z80" title="wikipedia.org">Z-80</a> [wikipedia.org] itself is an 8-Bit CPU.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article mentions " Z-80 " among the parts used .
The Z-80 [ wikipedia.org ] itself is an 8-Bit CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article mentions "Z-80" among the parts used.
The Z-80 [wikipedia.org] itself is an 8-Bit CPU.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148685</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243690020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148889</id>
	<title>Done before... in 16-bits</title>
	<author>Elledan</author>
	<datestamp>1243693380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.homebrewcpu.com/" title="homebrewcpu.com">Magic-1</a> [homebrewcpu.com], a 16-bit TTL-based, wire-wrap PCB computer.<br>
<br>
Slashdot posted an article on Magic-1 when it was completed years ago as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Magic-1 [ homebrewcpu.com ] , a 16-bit TTL-based , wire-wrap PCB computer .
Slashdot posted an article on Magic-1 when it was completed years ago as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Magic-1 [homebrewcpu.com], a 16-bit TTL-based, wire-wrap PCB computer.
Slashdot posted an article on Magic-1 when it was completed years ago as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148703</id>
	<title>A lenient definition of "make"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243690560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The functional components are all off-the-shelf TTL ICs. Of course that's still a big feat, but I was a bit disappointed because I had expected either a more discrete approach or a more integrated "make your own chip" approach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The functional components are all off-the-shelf TTL ICs .
Of course that 's still a big feat , but I was a bit disappointed because I had expected either a more discrete approach or a more integrated " make your own chip " approach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The functional components are all off-the-shelf TTL ICs.
Of course that's still a big feat, but I was a bit disappointed because I had expected either a more discrete approach or a more integrated "make your own chip" approach.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149723</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>astralpancakes</author>
	<datestamp>1243701840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hence, the GP's joke retains its original humor.</p></div><p>Too bad it still isn't funny.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hence , the GP 's joke retains its original humor.Too bad it still is n't funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hence, the GP's joke retains its original humor.Too bad it still isn't funny.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148725</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243690800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does this question keep coming up? Of course it does. It's turing-complete, so it's just a matter of writing the software. Not for the impatient users, obviously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does this question keep coming up ?
Of course it does .
It 's turing-complete , so it 's just a matter of writing the software .
Not for the impatient users , obviously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does this question keep coming up?
Of course it does.
It's turing-complete, so it's just a matter of writing the software.
Not for the impatient users, obviously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28156327</id>
	<title>Re:A lenient definition of "make"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243800660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He didn't use full TTL design either.  The thing has a large percentage of its componentry in the form of GALs.  It's pretty and the work is very impressive, but this is not a pure discreet logic design.  I expected to see a wonderfully massive board populated with row upon row of 74lsxxx ICs and a few RAM chips.  Pity for the deceptive description.. It's a wonderful accomplishment without the exaggeration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He did n't use full TTL design either .
The thing has a large percentage of its componentry in the form of GALs .
It 's pretty and the work is very impressive , but this is not a pure discreet logic design .
I expected to see a wonderfully massive board populated with row upon row of 74lsxxx ICs and a few RAM chips .
Pity for the deceptive description.. It 's a wonderful accomplishment without the exaggeration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He didn't use full TTL design either.
The thing has a large percentage of its componentry in the form of GALs.
It's pretty and the work is very impressive, but this is not a pure discreet logic design.
I expected to see a wonderfully massive board populated with row upon row of 74lsxxx ICs and a few RAM chips.
Pity for the deceptive description.. It's a wonderful accomplishment without the exaggeration.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148703</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28156707</id>
	<title>Congrats &amp; respect.</title>
	<author>MxMatrix</author>
	<datestamp>1243764900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unbelieveable COOL !.
I'm thrilled by the idea people still want to build their own design and put real effort in making it WORK.

Congrats and my respect Steve Chamberlin.

There is live beyond (W)intel and (L)AMD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unbelieveable COOL ! .
I 'm thrilled by the idea people still want to build their own design and put real effort in making it WORK .
Congrats and my respect Steve Chamberlin .
There is live beyond ( W ) intel and ( L ) AMD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unbelieveable COOL !.
I'm thrilled by the idea people still want to build their own design and put real effort in making it WORK.
Congrats and my respect Steve Chamberlin.
There is live beyond (W)intel and (L)AMD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149537</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243700220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus."</p></div></blockquote><p>Which is only logical, given that no version of Windows was developed to run on 32 bit or 64 bit CPUs either.  Which versions of Windows were designed to <b> <i>crash</i></b>  on various CPUs is another matter<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)<br> <br> <i>(<b>Lighten up</b> over-sensitive Windows Weeinie's with mod points.  It is a joke)</i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus .
" Which is only logical , given that no version of Windows was developed to run on 32 bit or 64 bit CPUs either .
Which versions of Windows were designed to crash on various CPUs is another matter ; - ) ( Lighten up over-sensitive Windows Weeinie 's with mod points .
It is a joke )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"not a single version of windows was designed to run on 8 bit cpus.
"Which is only logical, given that no version of Windows was developed to run on 32 bit or 64 bit CPUs either.
Which versions of Windows were designed to  crash  on various CPUs is another matter ;-)  (Lighten up over-sensitive Windows Weeinie's with mod points.
It is a joke)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28159601</id>
	<title>FLOPS?</title>
	<author>averner</author>
	<datestamp>1243795860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Out of curiosity how many FLOPS (floating operations per second) does this processor do? I know it's probably not a lot but I am still really curious.  If it doesn't do floating operations then I am still wondering how many integer operations is does.  In fact any rough indicator of speed would be nice!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Out of curiosity how many FLOPS ( floating operations per second ) does this processor do ?
I know it 's probably not a lot but I am still really curious .
If it does n't do floating operations then I am still wondering how many integer operations is does .
In fact any rough indicator of speed would be nice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Out of curiosity how many FLOPS (floating operations per second) does this processor do?
I know it's probably not a lot but I am still really curious.
If it doesn't do floating operations then I am still wondering how many integer operations is does.
In fact any rough indicator of speed would be nice!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150965</id>
	<title>I love this stuff</title>
	<author>strags</author>
	<datestamp>1243712160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some time ago (nearly 10 years - wow!) I made a microcontroller-based homebrew MP3 player: <a href="http://codepuppies.com/~ben/sens/pic/mp3" title="codepuppies.com">http://codepuppies.com/~ben/sens/pic/mp3</a> [codepuppies.com] . My big mess of wires was a tiny fraction of the size of his, and it caused me enough headaches - tracking down signal noise, random glitches, etc... Hats off to this guy.</p><p>I'd also recommend this book: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Soul\_of\_a\_New\_Machine" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Soul\_of\_a\_New\_Machine</a> [wikipedia.org] to anyone who finds the Wired article of interest. It doesn't get too technical, but it describes the trials and tribulations of bringing a new machine to life, initially on wire-wrap boards - as well as some of the politics involved in a corporate environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some time ago ( nearly 10 years - wow !
) I made a microcontroller-based homebrew MP3 player : http : //codepuppies.com/ ~ ben/sens/pic/mp3 [ codepuppies.com ] .
My big mess of wires was a tiny fraction of the size of his , and it caused me enough headaches - tracking down signal noise , random glitches , etc... Hats off to this guy.I 'd also recommend this book : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The \ _Soul \ _of \ _a \ _New \ _Machine [ wikipedia.org ] to anyone who finds the Wired article of interest .
It does n't get too technical , but it describes the trials and tribulations of bringing a new machine to life , initially on wire-wrap boards - as well as some of the politics involved in a corporate environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some time ago (nearly 10 years - wow!
) I made a microcontroller-based homebrew MP3 player: http://codepuppies.com/~ben/sens/pic/mp3 [codepuppies.com] .
My big mess of wires was a tiny fraction of the size of his, and it caused me enough headaches - tracking down signal noise, random glitches, etc... Hats off to this guy.I'd also recommend this book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Soul\_of\_a\_New\_Machine [wikipedia.org] to anyone who finds the Wired article of interest.
It doesn't get too technical, but it describes the trials and tribulations of bringing a new machine to life, initially on wire-wrap boards - as well as some of the politics involved in a corporate environment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150711</id>
	<title>Re:Fantastic!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243709880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got degrees in physics &amp; electrical engineering before coming over to the dark side - you insensitive clod<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got degrees in physics &amp; electrical engineering before coming over to the dark side - you insensitive clod ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got degrees in physics &amp; electrical engineering before coming over to the dark side - you insensitive clod ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148829</id>
	<title>Why did he do all this?</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1243692360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article:</p><p><i>"Why did I do all this?" he says. "I don't know. But it has been a lot of fun."</i></p><p>If he'd said almost anything else, I'd have been more impressed. To learn perhaps? To see if I could? Nup. Dunno.</p><p>Well in that case according to the article you just spent $1000 and 18 months for nothing? Come on, if you can do this, you can do better at explaining than that!!!</p><p>I can just imagine what my wife would think if I launched into doing something like this and couldn't even express why I wanted to do it. (She'd let me, she's great that way but there'd be lots of eye rolling and poking fun at me).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : " Why did I do all this ?
" he says .
" I do n't know .
But it has been a lot of fun .
" If he 'd said almost anything else , I 'd have been more impressed .
To learn perhaps ?
To see if I could ?
Nup. Dunno.Well in that case according to the article you just spent $ 1000 and 18 months for nothing ?
Come on , if you can do this , you can do better at explaining than that ! !
! I can just imagine what my wife would think if I launched into doing something like this and could n't even express why I wanted to do it .
( She 'd let me , she 's great that way but there 'd be lots of eye rolling and poking fun at me ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:"Why did I do all this?
" he says.
"I don't know.
But it has been a lot of fun.
"If he'd said almost anything else, I'd have been more impressed.
To learn perhaps?
To see if I could?
Nup. Dunno.Well in that case according to the article you just spent $1000 and 18 months for nothing?
Come on, if you can do this, you can do better at explaining than that!!
!I can just imagine what my wife would think if I launched into doing something like this and couldn't even express why I wanted to do it.
(She'd let me, she's great that way but there'd be lots of eye rolling and poking fun at me).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150435</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243707600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you want to be practical then you just need sufficient storage. it if can be connected up to a 1TB hard disk then that would probably be fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you want to be practical then you just need sufficient storage .
it if can be connected up to a 1TB hard disk then that would probably be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you want to be practical then you just need sufficient storage.
it if can be connected up to a 1TB hard disk then that would probably be fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149555</id>
	<title>Re:That's how we used to make all hobby computers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243700460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummmm... whoever modded me funny:  I was being serious.  (except for the "get off my lawn" part)<br>I cringe whenever I hear a young whippersnapper say "I built my own computer over the weekend" because "building a computer" to me doesn't mean slapping together pre-built parts.<br>(yeah, yeah, and I'm sure someone will respond to my thread saying when they were young, they built their own transistors from the sand in their backyard and smelted their own copper wires and I should get off THEIR lawn.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummmm... whoever modded me funny : I was being serious .
( except for the " get off my lawn " part ) I cringe whenever I hear a young whippersnapper say " I built my own computer over the weekend " because " building a computer " to me does n't mean slapping together pre-built parts .
( yeah , yeah , and I 'm sure someone will respond to my thread saying when they were young , they built their own transistors from the sand in their backyard and smelted their own copper wires and I should get off THEIR lawn .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummmm... whoever modded me funny:  I was being serious.
(except for the "get off my lawn" part)I cringe whenever I hear a young whippersnapper say "I built my own computer over the weekend" because "building a computer" to me doesn't mean slapping together pre-built parts.
(yeah, yeah, and I'm sure someone will respond to my thread saying when they were young, they built their own transistors from the sand in their backyard and smelted their own copper wires and I should get off THEIR lawn.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28158227</id>
	<title>Re:A lenient definition of "make"</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1243784880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look at the devices, you'll see a large portion of them are 22V10. These are primitive programmable logic devices, midway between gate logic and FPGA. If he had actually made a design with gate ICs and flipflops, it would have been much bigger.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at the devices , you 'll see a large portion of them are 22V10 .
These are primitive programmable logic devices , midway between gate logic and FPGA .
If he had actually made a design with gate ICs and flipflops , it would have been much bigger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at the devices, you'll see a large portion of them are 22V10.
These are primitive programmable logic devices, midway between gate logic and FPGA.
If he had actually made a design with gate ICs and flipflops, it would have been much bigger.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148733</id>
	<title>It must be early....</title>
	<author>Bentov</author>
	<datestamp>1243690920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not one "but does it run linux" ?  I'm sooooo disappointed...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not one " but does it run linux " ?
I 'm sooooo disappointed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not one "but does it run linux" ?
I'm sooooo disappointed...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149955</id>
	<title>Re:That's how we used to make all hobby computers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243703580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, yeah.  And you had to run uphill both ways with woolen slippers for days to make static to charge up a bank of capacitors enough to run it for only a few minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , yeah .
And you had to run uphill both ways with woolen slippers for days to make static to charge up a bank of capacitors enough to run it for only a few minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, yeah.
And you had to run uphill both ways with woolen slippers for days to make static to charge up a bank of capacitors enough to run it for only a few minutes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148863</id>
	<title>trusted computing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243692840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why "trusted" treacherous computing is doomed.  It takes determination to build a simple computer, but once you have one, you can "bootstrap" with it - use it to design a more powerful computer.</p><p>Only by hunting down and killing everyone who is even vaguely smart enough to begin build computers could someone hope to make treacherous computing "work".  I wouldn't put it past them to try, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why " trusted " treacherous computing is doomed .
It takes determination to build a simple computer , but once you have one , you can " bootstrap " with it - use it to design a more powerful computer.Only by hunting down and killing everyone who is even vaguely smart enough to begin build computers could someone hope to make treacherous computing " work " .
I would n't put it past them to try , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why "trusted" treacherous computing is doomed.
It takes determination to build a simple computer, but once you have one, you can "bootstrap" with it - use it to design a more powerful computer.Only by hunting down and killing everyone who is even vaguely smart enough to begin build computers could someone hope to make treacherous computing "work".
I wouldn't put it past them to try, of course.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148953</id>
	<title>Fantastic!</title>
	<author>adosch</author>
	<datestamp>1243694220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>There needs to be more Steve Chamberlin's in the world.  Personal (or enterprise, for that matter) computing hardware has hit a mass exploitation mark; computers today have such an abundance of resources, storage and processing power, any developer I've had to work with in the last half of decade sees the computer, much like Steve mentioned in TFA, as "...like black boxes... and understand what they do, but not how they do it."  which leads to blatant disregard for anything, really sloppy ways of coding and development, zero ideology or best practice on how to truly harness and control resources efficiently.  I don't expect anyone to have a physics background or be some die-hard electrical engineer, but there's definitely something to be said for growing up and working with early computer models where you had to give two shakes about that stuff.

This is very cool, indeed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There needs to be more Steve Chamberlin 's in the world .
Personal ( or enterprise , for that matter ) computing hardware has hit a mass exploitation mark ; computers today have such an abundance of resources , storage and processing power , any developer I 've had to work with in the last half of decade sees the computer , much like Steve mentioned in TFA , as " ...like black boxes... and understand what they do , but not how they do it .
" which leads to blatant disregard for anything , really sloppy ways of coding and development , zero ideology or best practice on how to truly harness and control resources efficiently .
I do n't expect anyone to have a physics background or be some die-hard electrical engineer , but there 's definitely something to be said for growing up and working with early computer models where you had to give two shakes about that stuff .
This is very cool , indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There needs to be more Steve Chamberlin's in the world.
Personal (or enterprise, for that matter) computing hardware has hit a mass exploitation mark; computers today have such an abundance of resources, storage and processing power, any developer I've had to work with in the last half of decade sees the computer, much like Steve mentioned in TFA, as "...like black boxes... and understand what they do, but not how they do it.
"  which leads to blatant disregard for anything, really sloppy ways of coding and development, zero ideology or best practice on how to truly harness and control resources efficiently.
I don't expect anyone to have a physics background or be some die-hard electrical engineer, but there's definitely something to be said for growing up and working with early computer models where you had to give two shakes about that stuff.
This is very cool, indeed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28149145</id>
	<title>WEll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243696320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is old news for anyone who takes a look at hackaday once in awhile</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is old news for anyone who takes a look at hackaday once in awhile</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is old news for anyone who takes a look at hackaday once in awhile</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148799</id>
	<title>College Project</title>
	<author>Murdoch5</author>
	<datestamp>1243692000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'e done something like this for a college project, not as complex but we built a 68020 using wirewrap.  My only question, why didn't he send away for a PCB after the design was done?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I'e done something like this for a college project , not as complex but we built a 68020 using wirewrap .
My only question , why did n't he send away for a PCB after the design was done ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'e done something like this for a college project, not as complex but we built a 68020 using wirewrap.
My only question, why didn't he send away for a PCB after the design was done?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28152545</id>
	<title>The LCD on the front probably has more CPU</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1243678920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The <a href="http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/gallery1.jpg" title="stevechamberlin.com">LCD panel on the front of the case</a> [stevechamberlin.com] probably has more processing power in its internal controller than the rest of this project, heh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The LCD panel on the front of the case [ stevechamberlin.com ] probably has more processing power in its internal controller than the rest of this project , heh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The LCD panel on the front of the case [stevechamberlin.com] probably has more processing power in its internal controller than the rest of this project, heh.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28150103</id>
	<title>Re:That's how we used to make all hobby computers</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1243704780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look at some of the early SGI workstations or PC's with graphics accelerator boards - every separate function (video RAM to analog RAMDAC, pixel processing, motherboard bus interface) was a <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Voodoo\_GraKa\_Hercules\_Stingray\_128-3D\_Doppelboard.jpg" title="wikimedia.org">separate ASIC with some other chips to handle communication</a> [wikimedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at some of the early SGI workstations or PC 's with graphics accelerator boards - every separate function ( video RAM to analog RAMDAC , pixel processing , motherboard bus interface ) was a separate ASIC with some other chips to handle communication [ wikimedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at some of the early SGI workstations or PC's with graphics accelerator boards - every separate function (video RAM to analog RAMDAC, pixel processing, motherboard bus interface) was a separate ASIC with some other chips to handle communication [wikimedia.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28151111</id>
	<title>74181/74182</title>
	<author>dido</author>
	<datestamp>1243713420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't seem to find a parts list, but well, I wonder if he used a 74181 Arithmetic Logic Unit and 74182 carry lookahead generator.  That would provide quite a few of the arithmetic and logical instructions that one might expect in 8-bit CPUs common in the 1980s in just three packages (the 74181 ALU is a 4-bit ALU, but it can be cascaded, and the 74182 can be used to provide carry lookahead for up to four 74181s).  However, you'll also need an instruction decoder, and that, unless you use a programmable logic device of some sort (in which case you're actually doing microprogramming), will need quite a few logic gates...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't seem to find a parts list , but well , I wonder if he used a 74181 Arithmetic Logic Unit and 74182 carry lookahead generator .
That would provide quite a few of the arithmetic and logical instructions that one might expect in 8-bit CPUs common in the 1980s in just three packages ( the 74181 ALU is a 4-bit ALU , but it can be cascaded , and the 74182 can be used to provide carry lookahead for up to four 74181s ) .
However , you 'll also need an instruction decoder , and that , unless you use a programmable logic device of some sort ( in which case you 're actually doing microprogramming ) , will need quite a few logic gates.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't seem to find a parts list, but well, I wonder if he used a 74181 Arithmetic Logic Unit and 74182 carry lookahead generator.
That would provide quite a few of the arithmetic and logical instructions that one might expect in 8-bit CPUs common in the 1980s in just three packages (the 74181 ALU is a 4-bit ALU, but it can be cascaded, and the 74182 can be used to provide carry lookahead for up to four 74181s).
However, you'll also need an instruction decoder, and that, unless you use a programmable logic device of some sort (in which case you're actually doing microprogramming), will need quite a few logic gates...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148657</id>
	<title>I can do 2^1 better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243689420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own a two-bit computer.  My dad gave it to me.   I know it is two bits because before he gave it to me he would often remark "I hate this ******* two bit computer."

</p><p>(Yes, it is also reproductive.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own a two-bit computer .
My dad gave it to me .
I know it is two bits because before he gave it to me he would often remark " I hate this * * * * * * * two bit computer .
" ( Yes , it is also reproductive .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own a two-bit computer.
My dad gave it to me.
I know it is two bits because before he gave it to me he would often remark "I hate this ******* two bit computer.
"

(Yes, it is also reproductive.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28148719</id>
	<title>Re:But does it run Vista?</title>
	<author>NusEnFleur</author>
	<datestamp>1243690800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None, ran 8 bits cpus. As for the design itself, I am not so sure anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None , ran 8 bits cpus .
As for the design itself , I am not so sure anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None, ran 8 bits cpus.
As for the design itself, I am not so sure anymore.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28154631</id>
	<title>Re:College Project</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243694580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I call BS!  Perhaps you mean you built a machine featuring a 68020 and used nothing but wire wrap, and wrote an OS for it in assembler.  That, I can believe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I call BS !
Perhaps you mean you built a machine featuring a 68020 and used nothing but wire wrap , and wrote an OS for it in assembler .
That , I can believe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I call BS!
Perhaps you mean you built a machine featuring a 68020 and used nothing but wire wrap, and wrote an OS for it in assembler.
That, I can believe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_30_0219208.28151093</id>
	<title>What about CP/M?</title>
	<author>NervousNerd</author>
	<datestamp>1243713300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about CP/M? That ran on systems similar to that, and I believe it is open source these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about CP/M ?
That ran on systems similar to that , and I believe it is open source these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about CP/M?
That ran on systems similar to that, and I believe it is open source these days.</sentencetext>
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