<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_29_2010202</id>
	<title>Credit Crunch Squeezing Data Center Space</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1243593480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/" rel="nofollow">miller60</a> writes <i>"Many companies have saved money by leasing wholesale 'plug and play' data center space instead of building their own facilities. But the credit crunch has slowed the construction of new data centers, and analysts say this will create a <a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/05/28/study-data-center-supply-near-all-time-low/">shortage of data center space</a> in 2010 in key markets like northern Virginia and Silicon Valley where demand exceeds supply. The situation is already becoming critical for companies with large space requirements, as indicated by a <a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/02/18/large-users-locking-up-space-in-virginia/">flurry of leasing</a> recently in northern Virginia, where the remaining space may be quickly absorbed by government stimulus projects."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>miller60 writes " Many companies have saved money by leasing wholesale 'plug and play ' data center space instead of building their own facilities .
But the credit crunch has slowed the construction of new data centers , and analysts say this will create a shortage of data center space in 2010 in key markets like northern Virginia and Silicon Valley where demand exceeds supply .
The situation is already becoming critical for companies with large space requirements , as indicated by a flurry of leasing recently in northern Virginia , where the remaining space may be quickly absorbed by government stimulus projects .
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<sentencetext>miller60 writes "Many companies have saved money by leasing wholesale 'plug and play' data center space instead of building their own facilities.
But the credit crunch has slowed the construction of new data centers, and analysts say this will create a shortage of data center space in 2010 in key markets like northern Virginia and Silicon Valley where demand exceeds supply.
The situation is already becoming critical for companies with large space requirements, as indicated by a flurry of leasing recently in northern Virginia, where the remaining space may be quickly absorbed by government stimulus projects.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145359</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243599900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The traditional supply/demand model does not need to account for credit.  When the price of existing data center space goes up, the companies running those data centers will make more profit, and thus be able to build more data centers without credit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The traditional supply/demand model does not need to account for credit .
When the price of existing data center space goes up , the companies running those data centers will make more profit , and thus be able to build more data centers without credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The traditional supply/demand model does not need to account for credit.
When the price of existing data center space goes up, the companies running those data centers will make more profit, and thus be able to build more data centers without credit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145231</id>
	<title>Very Large Telco/ISP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243598940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Old news.</p><p>I used to work at a VERY LARGE worldwide Telco/ISP.  Most of the data centers (almost 40 Class A and hundreds of lower class) locations were closed to new systems due to power and space constraints. We had to retire a system in order to place a new anything into it and the power utilization had to be less than the previous equipment because networking equipment was using more power than ever before (fibre uses more power than copper).</p><p>Then we bought an RBOC that had some space and power available in their data centers - the explosion of new projects trying to get placed into them was unbelievable.</p><p>All this was 2-3 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Old news.I used to work at a VERY LARGE worldwide Telco/ISP .
Most of the data centers ( almost 40 Class A and hundreds of lower class ) locations were closed to new systems due to power and space constraints .
We had to retire a system in order to place a new anything into it and the power utilization had to be less than the previous equipment because networking equipment was using more power than ever before ( fibre uses more power than copper ) .Then we bought an RBOC that had some space and power available in their data centers - the explosion of new projects trying to get placed into them was unbelievable.All this was 2-3 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Old news.I used to work at a VERY LARGE worldwide Telco/ISP.
Most of the data centers (almost 40 Class A and hundreds of lower class) locations were closed to new systems due to power and space constraints.
We had to retire a system in order to place a new anything into it and the power utilization had to be less than the previous equipment because networking equipment was using more power than ever before (fibre uses more power than copper).Then we bought an RBOC that had some space and power available in their data centers - the explosion of new projects trying to get placed into them was unbelievable.All this was 2-3 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28146295</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>Thelasko</author>
	<datestamp>1243608060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Repeat after me:  There is no such thing as a shortage in a free market.<br> <br>
Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something, 9 times out of 10 it's bull.  Shortages only occur when artificial price controls are put on goods and services.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Repeat after me : There is no such thing as a shortage in a free market .
Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something , 9 times out of 10 it 's bull .
Shortages only occur when artificial price controls are put on goods and services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Repeat after me:  There is no such thing as a shortage in a free market.
Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something, 9 times out of 10 it's bull.
Shortages only occur when artificial price controls are put on goods and services.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144975</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145581</id>
	<title>Gerr... what??</title>
	<author>moogied</author>
	<datestamp>1243601400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am sitting in a data center right now.. we are at about 65\% of "total capacity" and at about 85\% of our current capacity... our 6 other data centers are in similiar situations.  We have some big names looking at moving into us, which means they will be leaving other places soon.
<p>
India has a pretty firm grasp on data centers now, India's economy is doing ok at the moment..  so net effect? No data center shortages.
</p><p>
Total capacity is if we actually used all of our available space instead of dedicating some of it to on-site tape storage, admin cubicles, increased our eletrical capacity to max, and same with AC.  You won't see a data center shortage, you will however see an upsurge in datacenter remodeling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sitting in a data center right now.. we are at about 65 \ % of " total capacity " and at about 85 \ % of our current capacity... our 6 other data centers are in similiar situations .
We have some big names looking at moving into us , which means they will be leaving other places soon .
India has a pretty firm grasp on data centers now , India 's economy is doing ok at the moment.. so net effect ?
No data center shortages .
Total capacity is if we actually used all of our available space instead of dedicating some of it to on-site tape storage , admin cubicles , increased our eletrical capacity to max , and same with AC .
You wo n't see a data center shortage , you will however see an upsurge in datacenter remodeling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sitting in a data center right now.. we are at about 65\% of "total capacity" and at about 85\% of our current capacity... our 6 other data centers are in similiar situations.
We have some big names looking at moving into us, which means they will be leaving other places soon.
India has a pretty firm grasp on data centers now, India's economy is doing ok at the moment..  so net effect?
No data center shortages.
Total capacity is if we actually used all of our available space instead of dedicating some of it to on-site tape storage, admin cubicles, increased our eletrical capacity to max, and same with AC.
You won't see a data center shortage, you will however see an upsurge in datacenter remodeling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28147651</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>OttoM</author>
	<datestamp>1243626960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Repeat after me:  There is no such thing as a shortage in a free market.


Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something, 9 times out of 10 it's bull.  Shortages only occur when artificial price controls are put on goods and services.</p></div><p>Reapeating something does not make it true.

But congrats. You have given us a source of infinite stupidity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Repeat after me : There is no such thing as a shortage in a free market .
Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something , 9 times out of 10 it 's bull .
Shortages only occur when artificial price controls are put on goods and services.Reapeating something does not make it true .
But congrats .
You have given us a source of infinite stupidity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Repeat after me:  There is no such thing as a shortage in a free market.
Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something, 9 times out of 10 it's bull.
Shortages only occur when artificial price controls are put on goods and services.Reapeating something does not make it true.
But congrats.
You have given us a source of infinite stupidity.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28146295</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28148091</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1243677780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something, 9 times out of 10 it's bull."</i>
<br> <br>
I don't believe there's ever been a shortage of bull.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something , 9 times out of 10 it 's bull .
" I do n't believe there 's ever been a shortage of bull .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Whenever you read a story about a shortage of something, 9 times out of 10 it's bull.
"
 
I don't believe there's ever been a shortage of bull.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28146295</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145057</id>
	<title>Our own data center</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243597800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've been fighting to find decent data center space for a good while here in Tampa, FL. Level(3) keeps saying they cannot provide enough power to fully utilize their facilities (we read that as holding onto premium real estate for the high bidders) and other data centers we've looked into are either ludicrously expensive or force us to use their connections to the internet which we, as an ISP, really don't want to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've been fighting to find decent data center space for a good while here in Tampa , FL .
Level ( 3 ) keeps saying they can not provide enough power to fully utilize their facilities ( we read that as holding onto premium real estate for the high bidders ) and other data centers we 've looked into are either ludicrously expensive or force us to use their connections to the internet which we , as an ISP , really do n't want to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've been fighting to find decent data center space for a good while here in Tampa, FL.
Level(3) keeps saying they cannot provide enough power to fully utilize their facilities (we read that as holding onto premium real estate for the high bidders) and other data centers we've looked into are either ludicrously expensive or force us to use their connections to the internet which we, as an ISP, really don't want to do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145201</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1243598700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Temporary shortages of things like this are the ultimate Non-Story.</p><p>If we want to really HoZe this industry, let the government step in.  Otherwise will the hand wringers please shut up and sit down and let the market handle this!?</p><p>Yes, financing may be tight, unless you are Google or Amazon, or Apple, or IBM, or Microsoft.  But it it IS a problem you haven't built your business case very well.  There are Venture Capitalists out there roaming around looking for ways to put their money to work, and infrastructure is a lot more reliable then next weeks "big thing" software project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Temporary shortages of things like this are the ultimate Non-Story.If we want to really HoZe this industry , let the government step in .
Otherwise will the hand wringers please shut up and sit down and let the market handle this !
? Yes , financing may be tight , unless you are Google or Amazon , or Apple , or IBM , or Microsoft .
But it it IS a problem you have n't built your business case very well .
There are Venture Capitalists out there roaming around looking for ways to put their money to work , and infrastructure is a lot more reliable then next weeks " big thing " software project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Temporary shortages of things like this are the ultimate Non-Story.If we want to really HoZe this industry, let the government step in.
Otherwise will the hand wringers please shut up and sit down and let the market handle this!
?Yes, financing may be tight, unless you are Google or Amazon, or Apple, or IBM, or Microsoft.
But it it IS a problem you haven't built your business case very well.
There are Venture Capitalists out there roaming around looking for ways to put their money to work, and infrastructure is a lot more reliable then next weeks "big thing" software project.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144975</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145547</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1243601220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;  also something supply/demand models do not account for.</p><p>I'm sorry, but thats just wrongheaded.</p><p>Supply and Demand does not "account" for anything.  Price does.<br>Lead time, credit availability, competition, quality, speed, permitting issues and, yes, Supply and Demand are ALL accounted for by the final Price. And so is behavior, reluctance to take risk.</p><p>It is all encapsulated in the price.</p><p>I suggest you have left too much of Econ 101 in the classroom, if you ever attended at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; also something supply/demand models do not account for.I 'm sorry , but thats just wrongheaded.Supply and Demand does not " account " for anything .
Price does.Lead time , credit availability , competition , quality , speed , permitting issues and , yes , Supply and Demand are ALL accounted for by the final Price .
And so is behavior , reluctance to take risk.It is all encapsulated in the price.I suggest you have left too much of Econ 101 in the classroom , if you ever attended at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;  also something supply/demand models do not account for.I'm sorry, but thats just wrongheaded.Supply and Demand does not "account" for anything.
Price does.Lead time, credit availability, competition, quality, speed, permitting issues and, yes, Supply and Demand are ALL accounted for by the final Price.
And so is behavior, reluctance to take risk.It is all encapsulated in the price.I suggest you have left too much of Econ 101 in the classroom, if you ever attended at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145169</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145891</id>
	<title>Re:Not a problem around Southern Ontario...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243603980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That can be very common when the rack density exceeds their cooling or power capacity. They'll have customers purchase empty space to offset that rack full of blade servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That can be very common when the rack density exceeds their cooling or power capacity .
They 'll have customers purchase empty space to offset that rack full of blade servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That can be very common when the rack density exceeds their cooling or power capacity.
They'll have customers purchase empty space to offset that rack full of blade servers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144999</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145173</id>
	<title>Iowa, Brazil, South Africa beckon</title>
	<author>gelfling</author>
	<datestamp>1243598580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's more to the world than NOVA. Unless you have ITAR requirements for government work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's more to the world than NOVA .
Unless you have ITAR requirements for government work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's more to the world than NOVA.
Unless you have ITAR requirements for government work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28146329</id>
	<title>Re:Very Large Telco/ISP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243608360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>fibre uses more power than copper</i></p><p>Particularly when you crank up those lasers to do power-over-ethernet-fiber!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fibre uses more power than copperParticularly when you crank up those lasers to do power-over-ethernet-fiber !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fibre uses more power than copperParticularly when you crank up those lasers to do power-over-ethernet-fiber!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145231</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145111</id>
	<title>There will just become more U1 server offerings</title>
	<author>barfy</author>
	<datestamp>1243598100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And more low power ones.   This will be a self correcting issue.</p><p>It is probably true that there is too much energy and wasted space at the EXISTING data centers as it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And more low power ones .
This will be a self correcting issue.It is probably true that there is too much energy and wasted space at the EXISTING data centers as it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And more low power ones.
This will be a self correcting issue.It is probably true that there is too much energy and wasted space at the EXISTING data centers as it is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28217325</id>
	<title>Data Center Shipping Containers == Brilliant!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244124000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll admit I don't have my fingers on the pulse of IT, but when I heard about Google's data centers in shipping containers, I thought it seemed like overkill.  Why do you need to move data centers? Everything is global on the interwebs.</p><p>But in retrospect, the idea is brilliant.  They clearly anticipated the sort of localized shortages in IT infrastructure that this article describes.  I bet their feeling pretty smart right now, as they drive their data centers from West Texas to Northern Virginia....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll admit I do n't have my fingers on the pulse of IT , but when I heard about Google 's data centers in shipping containers , I thought it seemed like overkill .
Why do you need to move data centers ?
Everything is global on the interwebs.But in retrospect , the idea is brilliant .
They clearly anticipated the sort of localized shortages in IT infrastructure that this article describes .
I bet their feeling pretty smart right now , as they drive their data centers from West Texas to Northern Virginia... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll admit I don't have my fingers on the pulse of IT, but when I heard about Google's data centers in shipping containers, I thought it seemed like overkill.
Why do you need to move data centers?
Everything is global on the interwebs.But in retrospect, the idea is brilliant.
They clearly anticipated the sort of localized shortages in IT infrastructure that this article describes.
I bet their feeling pretty smart right now, as they drive their data centers from West Texas to Northern Virginia....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145159</id>
	<title>off topic: connection reset by peer error</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243598460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's going on with slashdot? If I click on a story link, like</p><p><a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/2010202/Credit-Crunch-Squeezing-Data-Center-Space" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/2010202/Credit-Crunch-Squeezing-Data-Center-Space</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>I get a "connection reset by peer" error message. This occurs with firefox, lynx, even wget.</p><p>But if I change the url to</p><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/2010202/Credit-Crunch-Squeezing-Data-Center-Space" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/2010202/Credit-Crunch-Squeezing-Data-Center-Space</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>then everything works fine.</p><p>It's been happening for some time. Searching with google or the slashdot search function doesn't turn up anything.</p><p>What gives?`</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's going on with slashdot ?
If I click on a story link , likehttp : //hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/2010202/Credit-Crunch-Squeezing-Data-Center-Space [ slashdot.org ] I get a " connection reset by peer " error message .
This occurs with firefox , lynx , even wget.But if I change the url tohttp : //slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/2010202/Credit-Crunch-Squeezing-Data-Center-Space [ slashdot.org ] then everything works fine.It 's been happening for some time .
Searching with google or the slashdot search function does n't turn up anything.What gives ? `</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's going on with slashdot?
If I click on a story link, likehttp://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/2010202/Credit-Crunch-Squeezing-Data-Center-Space [slashdot.org]I get a "connection reset by peer" error message.
This occurs with firefox, lynx, even wget.But if I change the url tohttp://slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/2010202/Credit-Crunch-Squeezing-Data-Center-Space [slashdot.org]then everything works fine.It's been happening for some time.
Searching with google or the slashdot search function doesn't turn up anything.What gives?`</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145657</id>
	<title>Re:Very Large Telco/ISP</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1243602120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds fishy to me.<br>Power demands of rack servers have been falling dramatically for years.  There would be no problem swapping 4 or 5 servers onto a single U1 using virtual machine technology and using less power over all and requiring less fiber too.</p><p>Maybe the problem of said Telco was failure to keep up with technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds fishy to me.Power demands of rack servers have been falling dramatically for years .
There would be no problem swapping 4 or 5 servers onto a single U1 using virtual machine technology and using less power over all and requiring less fiber too.Maybe the problem of said Telco was failure to keep up with technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds fishy to me.Power demands of rack servers have been falling dramatically for years.
There would be no problem swapping 4 or 5 servers onto a single U1 using virtual machine technology and using less power over all and requiring less fiber too.Maybe the problem of said Telco was failure to keep up with technology.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145171</id>
	<title>Tautology Department</title>
	<author>jamesl</author>
	<datestamp>1243598520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... analysts say this will create a shortage of data center space in 2010 in key markets<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... where demand exceeds supply.</i><br>And in markets where demand does not exceed supply there will be no shortage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... analysts say this will create a shortage of data center space in 2010 in key markets ... where demand exceeds supply.And in markets where demand does not exceed supply there will be no shortage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... analysts say this will create a shortage of data center space in 2010 in key markets ... where demand exceeds supply.And in markets where demand does not exceed supply there will be no shortage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144977</id>
	<title>8==S=Q=W=E=E=Z==M=E==D</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243597380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>8==C=O=C=K==S=L=A=P==D</p><p>you have just been cockslapped.</p><p>thunk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>8 = = C = O = C = K = = S = L = A = P = = Dyou have just been cockslapped.thunk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>8==C=O=C=K==S=L=A=P==Dyou have just been cockslapped.thunk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28146847</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1243615080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been in a lot of datacenters lately that look like rec rooms.  The servers have all been squished into a corner, and there's a vast open space where racks used to be where you could play hard drive shuffleboard if you wanted to.
</p><p>It's not because of budgets.  It's because you can virtualize 8 maxed out servers from 3 years ago, or a full rack of lightly loaded ones and put them in one 2U box now that draws less current than any single one of them.  Demand for service has grown in those three years, but not nearly as much as consolidation and virtualization has served.  So the vast growth in server rooms has stalled because... it's not needed.  Unless the pace of progress slows, it'll never be needed.
</p><p>/and that's good for carbon emissions and power production.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been in a lot of datacenters lately that look like rec rooms .
The servers have all been squished into a corner , and there 's a vast open space where racks used to be where you could play hard drive shuffleboard if you wanted to .
It 's not because of budgets .
It 's because you can virtualize 8 maxed out servers from 3 years ago , or a full rack of lightly loaded ones and put them in one 2U box now that draws less current than any single one of them .
Demand for service has grown in those three years , but not nearly as much as consolidation and virtualization has served .
So the vast growth in server rooms has stalled because... it 's not needed .
Unless the pace of progress slows , it 'll never be needed .
/and that 's good for carbon emissions and power production .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been in a lot of datacenters lately that look like rec rooms.
The servers have all been squished into a corner, and there's a vast open space where racks used to be where you could play hard drive shuffleboard if you wanted to.
It's not because of budgets.
It's because you can virtualize 8 maxed out servers from 3 years ago, or a full rack of lightly loaded ones and put them in one 2U box now that draws less current than any single one of them.
Demand for service has grown in those three years, but not nearly as much as consolidation and virtualization has served.
So the vast growth in server rooms has stalled because... it's not needed.
Unless the pace of progress slows, it'll never be needed.
/and that's good for carbon emissions and power production.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145169</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145997</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>Desipis</author>
	<datestamp>1243604880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't matter how profitable a potential business is, if you can't raise the capital to build it, it won't get built.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter how profitable a potential business is , if you ca n't raise the capital to build it , it wo n't get built .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter how profitable a potential business is, if you can't raise the capital to build it, it won't get built.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144975</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145929</id>
	<title>Re:off topic: connection reset by peer error</title>
	<author>Ungrounded Lightning</author>
	<datestamp>1243604340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What's going on with slashdot? If I click on a story link, like <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/" title="slashdot.org">http://hardware.slashdot.org/</a> [slashdot.org]... I get a "connection reset by peer" error message.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... But if I change the url to <a href="http://slashdot.org/" title="slashdot.org">http://slashdot.org/</a> [slashdot.org]... then everything works fine.</i></p><p>Maybe Slashdot ran out of data center space and had to throw out the hardware.slashdot.org servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's going on with slashdot ?
If I click on a story link , like http : //hardware.slashdot.org/ [ slashdot.org ] ... I get a " connection reset by peer " error message .
... But if I change the url to http : //slashdot.org/ [ slashdot.org ] ... then everything works fine.Maybe Slashdot ran out of data center space and had to throw out the hardware.slashdot.org servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's going on with slashdot?
If I click on a story link, like http://hardware.slashdot.org/ [slashdot.org]... I get a "connection reset by peer" error message.
... But if I change the url to http://slashdot.org/ [slashdot.org]... then everything works fine.Maybe Slashdot ran out of data center space and had to throw out the hardware.slashdot.org servers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145159</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145297</id>
	<title>Stimulus package?</title>
	<author>e9th</author>
	<datestamp>1243599480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What does the stimulus package have to do with this? All I find in the articles is<blockquote><div><p>We still don't know about the government requirements coming out of the stimulus package, which could have a big impact on supply.</p></div></blockquote><p>Does this mean more people will be employed in building data centers? Or simply that the gov't itself will require more space, as implied by the "northern Virgina" reference.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does the stimulus package have to do with this ?
All I find in the articles isWe still do n't know about the government requirements coming out of the stimulus package , which could have a big impact on supply.Does this mean more people will be employed in building data centers ?
Or simply that the gov't itself will require more space , as implied by the " northern Virgina " reference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does the stimulus package have to do with this?
All I find in the articles isWe still don't know about the government requirements coming out of the stimulus package, which could have a big impact on supply.Does this mean more people will be employed in building data centers?
Or simply that the gov't itself will require more space, as implied by the "northern Virgina" reference.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145147</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1243598400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As the supply of data center space dwindles, the price will go up. When it goes up enough, it will become profitable to build new data centers, and it will happen. It's the economy, people.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Yes, and knowing ahead of time what the economy is likely to do is the key to making money from it, which is something some people are very interested in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As the supply of data center space dwindles , the price will go up .
When it goes up enough , it will become profitable to build new data centers , and it will happen .
It 's the economy , people .
Yes , and knowing ahead of time what the economy is likely to do is the key to making money from it , which is something some people are very interested in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the supply of data center space dwindles, the price will go up.
When it goes up enough, it will become profitable to build new data centers, and it will happen.
It's the economy, people.
Yes, and knowing ahead of time what the economy is likely to do is the key to making money from it, which is something some people are very interested in.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144975</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28146439</id>
	<title>It's called virtualization...</title>
	<author>billybob\_jcv</author>
	<datestamp>1243609800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We tripled the number of servers and halved the space requirements by virtualizing as much as we could.  The only things we couldn't put in a VM were stuff with specific HW requirements (like fax server boards and tape robots).  Many large companies are just afraid or unaware of the capabilities of virtualization.  The big software companies also aren't helping.  For example, Oracle needs to get over it and figure out that many midsize companies don't need RAC for performance or 24/7 @ 99.999\% - there are many, many businesses that really can tolerate an app being down for under an hour (or less) while the VM is brought up on a different physical box.  The current Oracle license model completely fails in an environment where you want to run mulitple VMs on relatively cheap multicore, multiprocessor blades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We tripled the number of servers and halved the space requirements by virtualizing as much as we could .
The only things we could n't put in a VM were stuff with specific HW requirements ( like fax server boards and tape robots ) .
Many large companies are just afraid or unaware of the capabilities of virtualization .
The big software companies also are n't helping .
For example , Oracle needs to get over it and figure out that many midsize companies do n't need RAC for performance or 24/7 @ 99.999 \ % - there are many , many businesses that really can tolerate an app being down for under an hour ( or less ) while the VM is brought up on a different physical box .
The current Oracle license model completely fails in an environment where you want to run mulitple VMs on relatively cheap multicore , multiprocessor blades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We tripled the number of servers and halved the space requirements by virtualizing as much as we could.
The only things we couldn't put in a VM were stuff with specific HW requirements (like fax server boards and tape robots).
Many large companies are just afraid or unaware of the capabilities of virtualization.
The big software companies also aren't helping.
For example, Oracle needs to get over it and figure out that many midsize companies don't need RAC for performance or 24/7 @ 99.999\% - there are many, many businesses that really can tolerate an app being down for under an hour (or less) while the VM is brought up on a different physical box.
The current Oracle license model completely fails in an environment where you want to run mulitple VMs on relatively cheap multicore, multiprocessor blades.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28150527</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>vuffi\_raa</author>
	<datestamp>1243708380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The traditional supply/demand model does not need to account for credit. When the price of existing data center space goes up, the companies running those data centers will make more profit, and thus be able to build more data centers without credit.</p></div><p>It doesn't work that way, most companies balance themselves on credit- so if it turns out that they make more money it is owed somewhere or invested somewhere in an I scratch your back you scratch mine credit swap, if the main lender dries up the line then you get a ripple that goes all of the way around- <br>realize that when you lease a data center they send you a bill that has to be paid, there isn't some big bucket in the office of the data center that you walk into on the 1st and drop cash into and that money isn't immediately on hand so that in and of itself needs to be accounted for as accounts are the same "virtual" money as a line of bank credit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The traditional supply/demand model does not need to account for credit .
When the price of existing data center space goes up , the companies running those data centers will make more profit , and thus be able to build more data centers without credit.It does n't work that way , most companies balance themselves on credit- so if it turns out that they make more money it is owed somewhere or invested somewhere in an I scratch your back you scratch mine credit swap , if the main lender dries up the line then you get a ripple that goes all of the way around- realize that when you lease a data center they send you a bill that has to be paid , there is n't some big bucket in the office of the data center that you walk into on the 1st and drop cash into and that money is n't immediately on hand so that in and of itself needs to be accounted for as accounts are the same " virtual " money as a line of bank credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The traditional supply/demand model does not need to account for credit.
When the price of existing data center space goes up, the companies running those data centers will make more profit, and thus be able to build more data centers without credit.It doesn't work that way, most companies balance themselves on credit- so if it turns out that they make more money it is owed somewhere or invested somewhere in an I scratch your back you scratch mine credit swap, if the main lender dries up the line then you get a ripple that goes all of the way around- realize that when you lease a data center they send you a bill that has to be paid, there isn't some big bucket in the office of the data center that you walk into on the 1st and drop cash into and that money isn't immediately on hand so that in and of itself needs to be accounted for as accounts are the same "virtual" money as a line of bank credit.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28146565</id>
	<title>Is it just me...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243611600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or is this news total bullshit? Seriously, Slashdot, I've lost faith in you temporarily quite a few times now but it's starting to get ridiculous. If people need bandwidth or webspace or anal porn with hermaphrodites they won't be disappointed by the internet, so stop it already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or is this news total bullshit ?
Seriously , Slashdot , I 've lost faith in you temporarily quite a few times now but it 's starting to get ridiculous .
If people need bandwidth or webspace or anal porn with hermaphrodites they wo n't be disappointed by the internet , so stop it already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or is this news total bullshit?
Seriously, Slashdot, I've lost faith in you temporarily quite a few times now but it's starting to get ridiculous.
If people need bandwidth or webspace or anal porn with hermaphrodites they won't be disappointed by the internet, so stop it already.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144999</id>
	<title>Not a problem around Southern Ontario...</title>
	<author>Mad Merlin</author>
	<datestamp>1243597500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I visited a Q9 datacenter about 2 months ago, and probably half of the floor space didn't even have racks put up yet. I'm not going to say that's representative of all datacenters around here, but I certainly hear plenty of colo facility commercials on the radio.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I visited a Q9 datacenter about 2 months ago , and probably half of the floor space did n't even have racks put up yet .
I 'm not going to say that 's representative of all datacenters around here , but I certainly hear plenty of colo facility commercials on the radio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I visited a Q9 datacenter about 2 months ago, and probably half of the floor space didn't even have racks put up yet.
I'm not going to say that's representative of all datacenters around here, but I certainly hear plenty of colo facility commercials on the radio.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144975</id>
	<title>Supply?  Demand?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243597320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the supply of data center space dwindles, the price will go up.  When it goes up enough, it will become profitable to build new data centers, and it will happen.  It's the economy, people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the supply of data center space dwindles , the price will go up .
When it goes up enough , it will become profitable to build new data centers , and it will happen .
It 's the economy , people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the supply of data center space dwindles, the price will go up.
When it goes up enough, it will become profitable to build new data centers, and it will happen.
It's the economy, people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145183</id>
	<title>Re:Our own data center</title>
	<author>gbjbaanb</author>
	<datestamp>1243598580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.crn.com/hardware/204801373" title="crn.com">It probably is the power supply</a> [crn.com]. In the UK, the cost of electricity went up dramatically a year or so ago. Now, space is practically free, bandwidth too, but 20A costs more than your firstborn.</p><p>We put some new servers in our machine room at work, nice 4U 6x4core CPUs, with 32Gb RAM, and 8 SAS drives in each chassis. Come to think of it, I can't think why everyone suddenly has a problem with  insufficient supply of power to datacentres....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It probably is the power supply [ crn.com ] .
In the UK , the cost of electricity went up dramatically a year or so ago .
Now , space is practically free , bandwidth too , but 20A costs more than your firstborn.We put some new servers in our machine room at work , nice 4U 6x4core CPUs , with 32Gb RAM , and 8 SAS drives in each chassis .
Come to think of it , I ca n't think why everyone suddenly has a problem with insufficient supply of power to datacentres.... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It probably is the power supply [crn.com].
In the UK, the cost of electricity went up dramatically a year or so ago.
Now, space is practically free, bandwidth too, but 20A costs more than your firstborn.We put some new servers in our machine room at work, nice 4U 6x4core CPUs, with 32Gb RAM, and 8 SAS drives in each chassis.
Come to think of it, I can't think why everyone suddenly has a problem with  insufficient supply of power to datacentres.... :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145057</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145085</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>gbjbaanb</author>
	<datestamp>1243597980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, as the supply of data space dwindles, <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8073605.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">so does the number of servers</a> [bbc.co.uk] to put in there. So all's well.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Sales of servers worldwide fell almost 25\% in the first three months of 2009</p><p>Revenues for Unix servers fell 17.5\% compared with the same period a year earlier.<br>Microsoft Windows server revenues fell 28.9\% to $3.7bn and Linux server revenues fell 24.8\% year-over-year to $1.4 billion, its lowest in five years.</p></div><p>Though, people would still be using Linux, just not paying for it anymore. With Windows you can't say the same.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , as the supply of data space dwindles , so does the number of servers [ bbc.co.uk ] to put in there .
So all 's well.Sales of servers worldwide fell almost 25 \ % in the first three months of 2009Revenues for Unix servers fell 17.5 \ % compared with the same period a year earlier.Microsoft Windows server revenues fell 28.9 \ % to $ 3.7bn and Linux server revenues fell 24.8 \ % year-over-year to $ 1.4 billion , its lowest in five years.Though , people would still be using Linux , just not paying for it anymore .
With Windows you ca n't say the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, as the supply of data space dwindles, so does the number of servers [bbc.co.uk] to put in there.
So all's well.Sales of servers worldwide fell almost 25\% in the first three months of 2009Revenues for Unix servers fell 17.5\% compared with the same period a year earlier.Microsoft Windows server revenues fell 28.9\% to $3.7bn and Linux server revenues fell 24.8\% year-over-year to $1.4 billion, its lowest in five years.Though, people would still be using Linux, just not paying for it anymore.
With Windows you can't say the same.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144975</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145739</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>Mistlefoot</author>
	<datestamp>1243602720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Time will tell.<br><br>Maybe, instead of needing more space, pc's will get faster, hard drive space will increase and redundancy (although needed), will decrease.<br><br>But maybe it will be as simple as you suggest.  But as that price goes up so will the price of my cheap web hosting - etc, etc.  Very rarely to price increases not get passed on to someone somewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Time will tell.Maybe , instead of needing more space , pc 's will get faster , hard drive space will increase and redundancy ( although needed ) , will decrease.But maybe it will be as simple as you suggest .
But as that price goes up so will the price of my cheap web hosting - etc , etc .
Very rarely to price increases not get passed on to someone somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time will tell.Maybe, instead of needing more space, pc's will get faster, hard drive space will increase and redundancy (although needed), will decrease.But maybe it will be as simple as you suggest.
But as that price goes up so will the price of my cheap web hosting - etc, etc.
Very rarely to price increases not get passed on to someone somewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28144975</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145411</id>
	<title>Nonsense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243600320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolute rubbish.</p><p>Do a google search for:<br>"data+center" near Los Angeles<br>"data+center" near El Segundo<br>etc.</p><p>There is an *lot* of colocation available. Furthermore, as long as there are good network connections, electricity, and water, it will not be difficult to set up new datacenters - a shortage would be short lived at best.</p><p>The only way I could forsee a shortage would involve something catastrophic happening to either California's power or fibre.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolute rubbish.Do a google search for : " data + center " near Los Angeles " data + center " near El Segundoetc.There is an * lot * of colocation available .
Furthermore , as long as there are good network connections , electricity , and water , it will not be difficult to set up new datacenters - a shortage would be short lived at best.The only way I could forsee a shortage would involve something catastrophic happening to either California 's power or fibre .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolute rubbish.Do a google search for:"data+center" near Los Angeles"data+center" near El Segundoetc.There is an *lot* of colocation available.
Furthermore, as long as there are good network connections, electricity, and water, it will not be difficult to set up new datacenters - a shortage would be short lived at best.The only way I could forsee a shortage would involve something catastrophic happening to either California's power or fibre.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145687</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1243602360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Story said:</p><p>"Grubb &amp; Ellis&#226;(TM) National Data Center Group, who said he can currently identify only six options in the United States for data center users who need more than 7 megawatts of power or more than 50,000 square feet of contiguous space".</p><p>This sounds more like mainframe installation space than COLO space.  There is simply no need to concentrate COLO farms to this degree.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Story said : " Grubb &amp; Ellis   ( TM ) National Data Center Group , who said he can currently identify only six options in the United States for data center users who need more than 7 megawatts of power or more than 50,000 square feet of contiguous space " .This sounds more like mainframe installation space than COLO space .
There is simply no need to concentrate COLO farms to this degree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Story said:"Grubb &amp; Ellisâ(TM) National Data Center Group, who said he can currently identify only six options in the United States for data center users who need more than 7 megawatts of power or more than 50,000 square feet of contiguous space".This sounds more like mainframe installation space than COLO space.
There is simply no need to concentrate COLO farms to this degree.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145411</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_2010202.28145169</id>
	<title>Re:Supply? Demand?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243598520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>
It's already profitable.  The credit crunch has quashed new centers from being built because the credit markets are frozen due to irrational fears, something the supply/demand model does not account for.  When the space dwindles the new centers will be built but there's a lag, it's not instant, also something supply/demand models do not account for.  Let's leave the Econ 101 classroom theory alone and take a look at the real world.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral\_economics" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral\_economics</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's already profitable .
The credit crunch has quashed new centers from being built because the credit markets are frozen due to irrational fears , something the supply/demand model does not account for .
When the space dwindles the new centers will be built but there 's a lag , it 's not instant , also something supply/demand models do not account for .
Let 's leave the Econ 101 classroom theory alone and take a look at the real world .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral \ _economics [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
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It's already profitable.
The credit crunch has quashed new centers from being built because the credit markets are frozen due to irrational fears, something the supply/demand model does not account for.
When the space dwindles the new centers will be built but there's a lag, it's not instant, also something supply/demand models do not account for.
Let's leave the Econ 101 classroom theory alone and take a look at the real world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral\_economics [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>hurr</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
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	<htmltext><p>Capital and credit goes to where it can be used to generate the most profit.  At the moment, those places are 1) a government expanding it's size and tax base, and 2) the recipients of trillions of dollars in government hand-outs.</p><p>This has nothing to do with "irrational fears" or "behavioral economics".  These are soulless corporations exploiting government force, waste and stupidity.  It's all quite rational.  It's just not a "market".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Capital and credit goes to where it can be used to generate the most profit .
At the moment , those places are 1 ) a government expanding it 's size and tax base , and 2 ) the recipients of trillions of dollars in government hand-outs.This has nothing to do with " irrational fears " or " behavioral economics " .
These are soulless corporations exploiting government force , waste and stupidity .
It 's all quite rational .
It 's just not a " market " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Capital and credit goes to where it can be used to generate the most profit.
At the moment, those places are 1) a government expanding it's size and tax base, and 2) the recipients of trillions of dollars in government hand-outs.This has nothing to do with "irrational fears" or "behavioral economics".
These are soulless corporations exploiting government force, waste and stupidity.
It's all quite rational.
It's just not a "market".</sentencetext>
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	<title>sounds like bullcrap to me</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
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	<htmltext>there's shitloads of empty building space out there. the only real limitation you might have is prime locations near major pipes, but even if this is the case high speed microwave links are pertty cheap.<p>
hell there are plenty of data center in a sea container concepts out there you could rent a bit of parkinglot if you had to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's shitloads of empty building space out there .
the only real limitation you might have is prime locations near major pipes , but even if this is the case high speed microwave links are pertty cheap .
hell there are plenty of data center in a sea container concepts out there you could rent a bit of parkinglot if you had to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's shitloads of empty building space out there.
the only real limitation you might have is prime locations near major pipes, but even if this is the case high speed microwave links are pertty cheap.
hell there are plenty of data center in a sea container concepts out there you could rent a bit of parkinglot if you had to.</sentencetext>
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	<title>where's the "unlikely" tag when you need it?</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1243614840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>and analysts say this will create a shortage of data center space in 2010 in key markets like northern Virginia and Silicon Valley where demand exceeds supply</p></div></blockquote><p>As someone who is pretty familiar with the datacenter industry, I find this to be a ludicrous assessment. Yes, I'm sure there is a credit crunch that's slowing the building of new datacenters, but that's because the whole damned economy has been slowing down for the better part of a year already. Apparently they haven't taken into account the fact that sales of rackspace are slowing down as businesses try to consolidate their technology to better cope with the recession.</p><p>But the recession won't cause a shortage of datacenter space any more than it will cause a shortage of big screen TVs at Walmart.</p></div>
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<tokenext>and analysts say this will create a shortage of data center space in 2010 in key markets like northern Virginia and Silicon Valley where demand exceeds supplyAs someone who is pretty familiar with the datacenter industry , I find this to be a ludicrous assessment .
Yes , I 'm sure there is a credit crunch that 's slowing the building of new datacenters , but that 's because the whole damned economy has been slowing down for the better part of a year already .
Apparently they have n't taken into account the fact that sales of rackspace are slowing down as businesses try to consolidate their technology to better cope with the recession.But the recession wo n't cause a shortage of datacenter space any more than it will cause a shortage of big screen TVs at Walmart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and analysts say this will create a shortage of data center space in 2010 in key markets like northern Virginia and Silicon Valley where demand exceeds supplyAs someone who is pretty familiar with the datacenter industry, I find this to be a ludicrous assessment.
Yes, I'm sure there is a credit crunch that's slowing the building of new datacenters, but that's because the whole damned economy has been slowing down for the better part of a year already.
Apparently they haven't taken into account the fact that sales of rackspace are slowing down as businesses try to consolidate their technology to better cope with the recession.But the recession won't cause a shortage of datacenter space any more than it will cause a shortage of big screen TVs at Walmart.
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