<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_29_1711203</id>
	<title>Java Gets New Garbage Collector, But Only If You Buy Support</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1243623600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The monetization of Java has begun. Sun released the Java 1.6.0\_14 JDK and JRE today which include a cool new garbage collector called G1. There is just one catch. Even though it is included in the distribution, the <a href="http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/6u14.html">release notes</a> state 'Although G1 is available for use in this release, note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased.'  So the Oracle touch is already taking effect. Will <a href="http://openjdk.java.net/">OpenJDK</a> be doomed to a feature-castrated backwater while all the good stuff goes into the new <a href="http://java.sun.com/javase/support/javaseforbusiness/">Java SE for Business</a> commercial version?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The monetization of Java has begun .
Sun released the Java 1.6.0 \ _14 JDK and JRE today which include a cool new garbage collector called G1 .
There is just one catch .
Even though it is included in the distribution , the release notes state 'Although G1 is available for use in this release , note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased .
' So the Oracle touch is already taking effect .
Will OpenJDK be doomed to a feature-castrated backwater while all the good stuff goes into the new Java SE for Business commercial version ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The monetization of Java has begun.
Sun released the Java 1.6.0\_14 JDK and JRE today which include a cool new garbage collector called G1.
There is just one catch.
Even though it is included in the distribution, the release notes state 'Although G1 is available for use in this release, note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased.
'  So the Oracle touch is already taking effect.
Will OpenJDK be doomed to a feature-castrated backwater while all the good stuff goes into the new Java SE for Business commercial version?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143773</id>
	<title>Re:G1 is for the Entreprise</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1243591260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VisualWorks Smalltalk had this "new" kind of garbage collector more than ten years ago. See:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; "VisualWorks space descriptions"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/papers/papersByOthers/visualworksSpaceDescriptio.html" title="smalltalkconsulting.com">http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/papers/papersByOthers/visualworksSpaceDescriptio.html</a> [smalltalkconsulting.com]<br>"NewSpace is used to house newly created objects. It is composed of three sub-spaces: an object-creation space (Eden) and two SurvivorSpaces. When an object is first created, it is placed in Eden. When Eden starts to fill up (i.e., when the number of used bytes in Eden exceeds the scavenge threshold), the scavenger is invoked and those objects housed in Eden and the occupied SurvivorSpace that are still reachable from the system roots are copied to the unoccupied Survivor Space. Thereafter, those objects that survive each scavenge will be shuffled by the scavenger from the occupied SurvivorSpace to the unoccupied one, until such time that the aggregate size of these survivors threatens to make the scavenge pause excessively long (i.e., when the number of used bytes in SurvivorSpace exceeds the tenure threshold), whereupon the scavenger will attempt to speed up subsequent scavenges by moving some of the older surviving objects from NewSpace to OldSpace. We say that such objects are being 'tenured' to OldSpace.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</p><p>Just one more thing Java is borrowing from Smalltalk. Now, if they would only borrow the syntax...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VisualWorks Smalltalk had this " new " kind of garbage collector more than ten years ago .
See :     " VisualWorks space descriptions "     http : //www.smalltalkconsulting.com/papers/papersByOthers/visualworksSpaceDescriptio.html [ smalltalkconsulting.com ] " NewSpace is used to house newly created objects .
It is composed of three sub-spaces : an object-creation space ( Eden ) and two SurvivorSpaces .
When an object is first created , it is placed in Eden .
When Eden starts to fill up ( i.e. , when the number of used bytes in Eden exceeds the scavenge threshold ) , the scavenger is invoked and those objects housed in Eden and the occupied SurvivorSpace that are still reachable from the system roots are copied to the unoccupied Survivor Space .
Thereafter , those objects that survive each scavenge will be shuffled by the scavenger from the occupied SurvivorSpace to the unoccupied one , until such time that the aggregate size of these survivors threatens to make the scavenge pause excessively long ( i.e. , when the number of used bytes in SurvivorSpace exceeds the tenure threshold ) , whereupon the scavenger will attempt to speed up subsequent scavenges by moving some of the older surviving objects from NewSpace to OldSpace .
We say that such objects are being 'tenured ' to OldSpace .
... " Just one more thing Java is borrowing from Smalltalk .
Now , if they would only borrow the syntax... : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VisualWorks Smalltalk had this "new" kind of garbage collector more than ten years ago.
See:
    "VisualWorks space descriptions"
    http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/papers/papersByOthers/visualworksSpaceDescriptio.html [smalltalkconsulting.com]"NewSpace is used to house newly created objects.
It is composed of three sub-spaces: an object-creation space (Eden) and two SurvivorSpaces.
When an object is first created, it is placed in Eden.
When Eden starts to fill up (i.e., when the number of used bytes in Eden exceeds the scavenge threshold), the scavenger is invoked and those objects housed in Eden and the occupied SurvivorSpace that are still reachable from the system roots are copied to the unoccupied Survivor Space.
Thereafter, those objects that survive each scavenge will be shuffled by the scavenger from the occupied SurvivorSpace to the unoccupied one, until such time that the aggregate size of these survivors threatens to make the scavenge pause excessively long (i.e., when the number of used bytes in SurvivorSpace exceeds the tenure threshold), whereupon the scavenger will attempt to speed up subsequent scavenges by moving some of the older surviving objects from NewSpace to OldSpace.
We say that such objects are being 'tenured' to OldSpace.
..."Just one more thing Java is borrowing from Smalltalk.
Now, if they would only borrow the syntax... :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142791</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142063</id>
	<title>Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243627320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You used to be cool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You used to be cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You used to be cool.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28147725</id>
	<title>Re:G1 is already in OpenJDK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243714680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Since it is GPL you are free to use it without any license restrictions."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... other than those contained in the GPL, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Since it is GPL you are free to use it without any license restrictions .
" ... other than those contained in the GPL , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Since it is GPL you are free to use it without any license restrictions.
" ... other than those contained in the GPL, of course.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142509</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28145811</id>
	<title>Re:sensationalism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243603440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Oracle's implementation of java is GPL'd. What more do we want from them? "</p><p>Are you kidding? It's not BSD'd!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Oracle 's implementation of java is GPL 'd .
What more do we want from them ?
" Are you kidding ?
It 's not BSD 'd !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Oracle's implementation of java is GPL'd.
What more do we want from them?
"Are you kidding?
It's not BSD'd!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142899</id>
	<title>A Java hate piece on Slashdot???</title>
	<author>COBOL/MVS</author>
	<datestamp>1243630500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But that's the kind of stupid shit that's been spewing from here for the last 10 years.</p><p>PS - the look and feel of slashdot sucks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But that 's the kind of stupid shit that 's been spewing from here for the last 10 years.PS - the look and feel of slashdot sucks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that's the kind of stupid shit that's been spewing from here for the last 10 years.PS - the look and feel of slashdot sucks</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144055</id>
	<title>slowly takes another sip of the koolaid...</title>
	<author>revlayle</author>
	<datestamp>1243592280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and this is why i use<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net for my development.  yes, the OS is not free, and the GOOD<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net dev tools are not free.  But the entire engine and framework are a giveaway beyond that and consistent... no weird licensing stuff with using the framework.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and this is why i use .net for my development .
yes , the OS is not free , and the GOOD .net dev tools are not free .
But the entire engine and framework are a giveaway beyond that and consistent... no weird licensing stuff with using the framework .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and this is why i use .net for my development.
yes, the OS is not free, and the GOOD .net dev tools are not free.
But the entire engine and framework are a giveaway beyond that and consistent... no weird licensing stuff with using the framework.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142741</id>
	<title>Oracle deal not done yet.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243629840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oracle does not yet own Sun and can't (yet) set business direction for it. It's just a new, experimental feature, folks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle does not yet own Sun and ca n't ( yet ) set business direction for it .
It 's just a new , experimental feature , folks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle does not yet own Sun and can't (yet) set business direction for it.
It's just a new, experimental feature, folks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28146957</id>
	<title>For the record:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243616400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always disliked Java. And ruby.

Javascript/Actionscript are based on ECMAscript, not Java. Maybe Java is based on ECMAScript, but knowing that would mean I spent enough time with the language beyond realizing it was a pile of crap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always disliked Java .
And ruby .
Javascript/Actionscript are based on ECMAscript , not Java .
Maybe Java is based on ECMAScript , but knowing that would mean I spent enough time with the language beyond realizing it was a pile of crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always disliked Java.
And ruby.
Javascript/Actionscript are based on ECMAscript, not Java.
Maybe Java is based on ECMAScript, but knowing that would mean I spent enough time with the language beyond realizing it was a pile of crap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144839</id>
	<title>Re:And Bill Gates gets his wish</title>
	<author>jjohnson</author>
	<datestamp>1243596600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hyperventilate much?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hyperventilate much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hyperventilate much?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144105</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142137</id>
	<title>Re:Garbage collector?</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1243627620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think garbage is allocated memory that is no longer needed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think garbage is allocated memory that is no longer needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think garbage is allocated memory that is no longer needed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142089</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28147789</id>
	<title>wonderful!</title>
	<author>Weezul</author>
	<datestamp>1243715520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Java sucks mightily.  So any move towards killing Java off is good news.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Java sucks mightily .
So any move towards killing Java off is good news .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Java sucks mightily.
So any move towards killing Java off is good news.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142791</id>
	<title>G1 is for the Entreprise</title>
	<author>jeanph01</author>
	<datestamp>1243630080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here
[http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/j1sessn.jsp?sessn=TS-5419&amp;yr=2008&amp;track=javase]
what sun says about it :

The Garbage-First garbage collector (G1 for short) is the next-generation low-pause garbage collector that will be included in the Java HotSpot virtual machine. G1 will be the long-term replacement for the Concurrent Mark-Sweep (or CMS) garbage collector, Sun's current low-pause garbage collector.

G1 targets medium to large multiprocessor machines and large heaps, relying heavily on the concurrency and parallelism such machines offer. Like CMS, G1 is generational, which benefits throughput. Unlike CMS, G1 compacts to battle fragmentation and to achieve more-consistent long-term operation. As its name suggests, G1 concentrates its collection and compaction activity first on the areas of the heap that are likely to be full of reclaimable objects, thus improving its efficiency.

G1 uses a pause prediction model to meet user-defined pause time targets. It achieves smoother pause times than CMS, with fewer or no outliers at comparable or better throughput, as this presentation shows. The initial target pause times are in the low tens of milliseconds.

===

So this is more for entreprise multiprocessors, multiservers java. And those entreprise normally will buy a support contract. So it's almost a no news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here [ http : //developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/j1sessn.jsp ? sessn = TS-5419&amp;yr = 2008&amp;track = javase ] what sun says about it : The Garbage-First garbage collector ( G1 for short ) is the next-generation low-pause garbage collector that will be included in the Java HotSpot virtual machine .
G1 will be the long-term replacement for the Concurrent Mark-Sweep ( or CMS ) garbage collector , Sun 's current low-pause garbage collector .
G1 targets medium to large multiprocessor machines and large heaps , relying heavily on the concurrency and parallelism such machines offer .
Like CMS , G1 is generational , which benefits throughput .
Unlike CMS , G1 compacts to battle fragmentation and to achieve more-consistent long-term operation .
As its name suggests , G1 concentrates its collection and compaction activity first on the areas of the heap that are likely to be full of reclaimable objects , thus improving its efficiency .
G1 uses a pause prediction model to meet user-defined pause time targets .
It achieves smoother pause times than CMS , with fewer or no outliers at comparable or better throughput , as this presentation shows .
The initial target pause times are in the low tens of milliseconds .
= = = So this is more for entreprise multiprocessors , multiservers java .
And those entreprise normally will buy a support contract .
So it 's almost a no news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here
[http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/j1sessn.jsp?sessn=TS-5419&amp;yr=2008&amp;track=javase]
what sun says about it :

The Garbage-First garbage collector (G1 for short) is the next-generation low-pause garbage collector that will be included in the Java HotSpot virtual machine.
G1 will be the long-term replacement for the Concurrent Mark-Sweep (or CMS) garbage collector, Sun's current low-pause garbage collector.
G1 targets medium to large multiprocessor machines and large heaps, relying heavily on the concurrency and parallelism such machines offer.
Like CMS, G1 is generational, which benefits throughput.
Unlike CMS, G1 compacts to battle fragmentation and to achieve more-consistent long-term operation.
As its name suggests, G1 concentrates its collection and compaction activity first on the areas of the heap that are likely to be full of reclaimable objects, thus improving its efficiency.
G1 uses a pause prediction model to meet user-defined pause time targets.
It achieves smoother pause times than CMS, with fewer or no outliers at comparable or better throughput, as this presentation shows.
The initial target pause times are in the low tens of milliseconds.
===

So this is more for entreprise multiprocessors, multiservers java.
And those entreprise normally will buy a support contract.
So it's almost a no news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142917</id>
	<title>RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243630560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, your headline is <i>exactly</i> backwards. Read what the <a href="http://java.sun.com/javase/support/javaseforbusiness/" title="sun.com" rel="nofollow">pay for support</a> [sun.com] is for. The G1 is beta so you pay for support... the older versions of Java that are out of date are also pay for support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , your headline is exactly backwards .
Read what the pay for support [ sun.com ] is for .
The G1 is beta so you pay for support... the older versions of Java that are out of date are also pay for support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, your headline is exactly backwards.
Read what the pay for support [sun.com] is for.
The G1 is beta so you pay for support... the older versions of Java that are out of date are also pay for support.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144767</id>
	<title>Re:suprised????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243596120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*cough*Windows ME*cough*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* cough * Windows ME * cough *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*cough*Windows ME*cough*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28147693</id>
	<title>The 'Oracle Touch' comment is absurd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243714200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure you folks are all having a fine time with the Garbage Collector discussion which, while interesting, has nothing to do with the substance of the original post.</p><p>When one large publicly-held company (the "purchaser", like Oracle Corporation in this case) announces the purchase of another large publicly-held company (like Sun Microsystems in this case), a long period of time elapses before the purchaser takes operational control of the of the other company.  During this time, regulatory approvals are obtained and lots of other technicalities are addressed.  And during this period, both companies are forbidden by law to explicitly cooperate with the other.  Now, I'm not so naive that I think this would prevent all cooperation in cases where it is really significant.  But the idea that somebody at either Oracle or Sun would engage in illegal shenanigans over a triviality like this GC feature is just absurdly silly.  These companies both routinely do deals involving millions of dollars.  How much money is at stake over this GC issue?  $9.98?  You think somebody in a high-paying management position at either one of these companies would break the law by colluding over this $9.98, or whatever the real number is?  Get real.  These are big boys, not the babies who debate this stuff on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and make all the ".net rocks" comments.  When Oracle takes control of Sun, you can start flaming Oracle for the way it manages Java.  In the meantime you have an opportunity to grow up and get a clue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure you folks are all having a fine time with the Garbage Collector discussion which , while interesting , has nothing to do with the substance of the original post.When one large publicly-held company ( the " purchaser " , like Oracle Corporation in this case ) announces the purchase of another large publicly-held company ( like Sun Microsystems in this case ) , a long period of time elapses before the purchaser takes operational control of the of the other company .
During this time , regulatory approvals are obtained and lots of other technicalities are addressed .
And during this period , both companies are forbidden by law to explicitly cooperate with the other .
Now , I 'm not so naive that I think this would prevent all cooperation in cases where it is really significant .
But the idea that somebody at either Oracle or Sun would engage in illegal shenanigans over a triviality like this GC feature is just absurdly silly .
These companies both routinely do deals involving millions of dollars .
How much money is at stake over this GC issue ?
$ 9.98 ? You think somebody in a high-paying management position at either one of these companies would break the law by colluding over this $ 9.98 , or whatever the real number is ?
Get real .
These are big boys , not the babies who debate this stuff on / .
and make all the " .net rocks " comments .
When Oracle takes control of Sun , you can start flaming Oracle for the way it manages Java .
In the meantime you have an opportunity to grow up and get a clue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure you folks are all having a fine time with the Garbage Collector discussion which, while interesting, has nothing to do with the substance of the original post.When one large publicly-held company (the "purchaser", like Oracle Corporation in this case) announces the purchase of another large publicly-held company (like Sun Microsystems in this case), a long period of time elapses before the purchaser takes operational control of the of the other company.
During this time, regulatory approvals are obtained and lots of other technicalities are addressed.
And during this period, both companies are forbidden by law to explicitly cooperate with the other.
Now, I'm not so naive that I think this would prevent all cooperation in cases where it is really significant.
But the idea that somebody at either Oracle or Sun would engage in illegal shenanigans over a triviality like this GC feature is just absurdly silly.
These companies both routinely do deals involving millions of dollars.
How much money is at stake over this GC issue?
$9.98?  You think somebody in a high-paying management position at either one of these companies would break the law by colluding over this $9.98, or whatever the real number is?
Get real.
These are big boys, not the babies who debate this stuff on /.
and make all the ".net rocks" comments.
When Oracle takes control of Sun, you can start flaming Oracle for the way it manages Java.
In the meantime you have an opportunity to grow up and get a clue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142509</id>
	<title>G1 is already in OpenJDK</title>
	<author>TeaCurran</author>
	<datestamp>1243628880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>G1 is in the latest OpenJDK builds.  Since it is GPL you are free to use it without any license restrictions.<br> <br>

The note in the release notes is only saying that Sun won't officially support it in their releases without a support contract.<br> <br>

If you are concerned, use OpenJDK.</htmltext>
<tokenext>G1 is in the latest OpenJDK builds .
Since it is GPL you are free to use it without any license restrictions .
The note in the release notes is only saying that Sun wo n't officially support it in their releases without a support contract .
If you are concerned , use OpenJDK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>G1 is in the latest OpenJDK builds.
Since it is GPL you are free to use it without any license restrictions.
The note in the release notes is only saying that Sun won't officially support it in their releases without a support contract.
If you are concerned, use OpenJDK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28146733</id>
	<title>So...</title>
	<author>longbot</author>
	<datestamp>1243613700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this mean no more 400K apps that eat 120MB of memory while running?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean no more 400K apps that eat 120MB of memory while running ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean no more 400K apps that eat 120MB of memory while running?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142707</id>
	<title>I got an offer!</title>
	<author>Sybert42</author>
	<datestamp>1243629720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone who thinks the singularity will (make this moot &amp;&amp; come before 10 years are up), don't reply to this!  Now that's cool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who thinks the singularity will ( make this moot &amp;&amp; come before 10 years are up ) , do n't reply to this !
Now that 's cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who thinks the singularity will (make this moot &amp;&amp; come before 10 years are up), don't reply to this!
Now that's cool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142289</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28146049</id>
	<title>Irrelevant</title>
	<author>hackus</author>
	<datestamp>1243605360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The entire Java Stack has long since been opened up.  The community essentially owns it now.  What Oracle does with "Java" I could care less.</p><p>Anything that is worth while to build design and construct/maintain Java applications and VM's is all open source.</p><p>If they want to fork and become irrelevant that is there choice.</p><p>-Hack</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The entire Java Stack has long since been opened up .
The community essentially owns it now .
What Oracle does with " Java " I could care less.Anything that is worth while to build design and construct/maintain Java applications and VM 's is all open source.If they want to fork and become irrelevant that is there choice.-Hack</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The entire Java Stack has long since been opened up.
The community essentially owns it now.
What Oracle does with "Java" I could care less.Anything that is worth while to build design and construct/maintain Java applications and VM's is all open source.If they want to fork and become irrelevant that is there choice.-Hack</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142257</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243627980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pay for it?  Can't someone else do it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pay for it ?
Ca n't someone else do it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pay for it?
Can't someone else do it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142063</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143143</id>
	<title>Pick up my garbage weekly</title>
	<author>omnichad</author>
	<datestamp>1243588380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I already get garbage collection as a paid service.  I just set the bags out there, and they pick them right up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I already get garbage collection as a paid service .
I just set the bags out there , and they pick them right up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already get garbage collection as a paid service.
I just set the bags out there, and they pick them right up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142755</id>
	<title>Larry effect</title>
	<author>G3ckoG33k</author>
	<datestamp>1243629900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hot Java on the yacht!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hot Java on the yacht !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hot Java on the yacht!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143603</id>
	<title>Cya Java</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1243590540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who else didn't expect this to start happening, with all of SUN's OSS work?</p><p>Im not a fan of Java, but even I think this is a bad direction to head. But hey, its oracle, what else would they do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who else did n't expect this to start happening , with all of SUN 's OSS work ? Im not a fan of Java , but even I think this is a bad direction to head .
But hey , its oracle , what else would they do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who else didn't expect this to start happening, with all of SUN's OSS work?Im not a fan of Java, but even I think this is a bad direction to head.
But hey, its oracle, what else would they do?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143017</id>
	<title>JRE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243587900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, not only is it slow to start up, requires a lifetime of XML Hell, and bowing down to the architecture astronauts (remember kids -- it is not a good java program unless you can spot three design patterns for every 15 lines of code!), now they are going to make you pay for the remaining bits to work?</p><p>I am glad I stuck with C++.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , not only is it slow to start up , requires a lifetime of XML Hell , and bowing down to the architecture astronauts ( remember kids -- it is not a good java program unless you can spot three design patterns for every 15 lines of code !
) , now they are going to make you pay for the remaining bits to work ? I am glad I stuck with C + + .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, not only is it slow to start up, requires a lifetime of XML Hell, and bowing down to the architecture astronauts (remember kids -- it is not a good java program unless you can spot three design patterns for every 15 lines of code!
), now they are going to make you pay for the remaining bits to work?I am glad I stuck with C++.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143167</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243588440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It gets better. (Or worse, depending on your point of view.)</p><p>This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE, so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.</p><p>Just what I want to do, give Oracle the power to randomly stop applications I use from running. I wonder how long it will take for Eclipse to "accidentally" make it onto the blacklist?</p></div><p>Oh stop.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Support for blacklisting signed jar files has been added to 6u14. A blacklist is a list of signed jars that contain serious security vulnerabilities that can be exploited by untrusted applets or applications. A system-wide blacklist will be distributed with each JRE release. Java Plugin and Web Start will consult this blacklist and refuse to load any class or resource contained in a jar file that's on the blacklist. By default, blacklist checking is enabled. The deployment.security.blacklist.check deployment configuration property can be used to toggle this behavior. .</p> </div><p>You guessed it - the blacklist applies to applications you can launch from untrusted sources.  Go back to thy cave, troll.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It gets better .
( Or worse , depending on your point of view .
) This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE , so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.Just what I want to do , give Oracle the power to randomly stop applications I use from running .
I wonder how long it will take for Eclipse to " accidentally " make it onto the blacklist ? Oh stop.Support for blacklisting signed jar files has been added to 6u14 .
A blacklist is a list of signed jars that contain serious security vulnerabilities that can be exploited by untrusted applets or applications .
A system-wide blacklist will be distributed with each JRE release .
Java Plugin and Web Start will consult this blacklist and refuse to load any class or resource contained in a jar file that 's on the blacklist .
By default , blacklist checking is enabled .
The deployment.security.blacklist.check deployment configuration property can be used to toggle this behavior .
. You guessed it - the blacklist applies to applications you can launch from untrusted sources .
Go back to thy cave , troll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It gets better.
(Or worse, depending on your point of view.
)This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE, so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.Just what I want to do, give Oracle the power to randomly stop applications I use from running.
I wonder how long it will take for Eclipse to "accidentally" make it onto the blacklist?Oh stop.Support for blacklisting signed jar files has been added to 6u14.
A blacklist is a list of signed jars that contain serious security vulnerabilities that can be exploited by untrusted applets or applications.
A system-wide blacklist will be distributed with each JRE release.
Java Plugin and Web Start will consult this blacklist and refuse to load any class or resource contained in a jar file that's on the blacklist.
By default, blacklist checking is enabled.
The deployment.security.blacklist.check deployment configuration property can be used to toggle this behavior.
. You guessed it - the blacklist applies to applications you can launch from untrusted sources.
Go back to thy cave, troll.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142423</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143319</id>
	<title>technical details of G1</title>
	<author>dirtyhippie</author>
	<datestamp>1243589280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a question unrelated to this fuss. How exactly does G1 work, and why is it expected to be "better" (no credit for answers that just say the current java GC is crap).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a question unrelated to this fuss .
How exactly does G1 work , and why is it expected to be " better " ( no credit for answers that just say the current java GC is crap ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a question unrelated to this fuss.
How exactly does G1 work, and why is it expected to be "better" (no credit for answers that just say the current java GC is crap).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142289</id>
	<title>Get 'r done takes money</title>
	<author>dazedNconfuzed</author>
	<datestamp>1243628100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ongoing problem with FOSS is that hard, un-cool, gritty, vital work ultimately takes money to do right. Cool gets projects only so far; money is needed for viable completion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ongoing problem with FOSS is that hard , un-cool , gritty , vital work ultimately takes money to do right .
Cool gets projects only so far ; money is needed for viable completion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ongoing problem with FOSS is that hard, un-cool, gritty, vital work ultimately takes money to do right.
Cool gets projects only so far; money is needed for viable completion.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142443</id>
	<title>Use restrictions</title>
	<author>Adrian Lopez</author>
	<datestamp>1243628640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This wouldn't bug me as much if the new garbage collector were only included as part of a paid-for distribution, but the fact that they're charging for the way it's used rather than for the right to obtain a copy of it makes me worry about additional restrictions on use being added in the future. I hope there's enough people making backups of all of Sun's open source software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This would n't bug me as much if the new garbage collector were only included as part of a paid-for distribution , but the fact that they 're charging for the way it 's used rather than for the right to obtain a copy of it makes me worry about additional restrictions on use being added in the future .
I hope there 's enough people making backups of all of Sun 's open source software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This wouldn't bug me as much if the new garbage collector were only included as part of a paid-for distribution, but the fact that they're charging for the way it's used rather than for the right to obtain a copy of it makes me worry about additional restrictions on use being added in the future.
I hope there's enough people making backups of all of Sun's open source software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142233</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243627860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Garbage in, garbage out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Garbage in , garbage out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Garbage in, garbage out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142063</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142383</id>
	<title>Sun products are not as "free" as on might think..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243628400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...if you for example take a look at the proprietary-only MySQL workbench or their OpenSolaris distribution which is hyped as a developer OS but requires you to buy a support contract if you want to get basic security updates e.g. for Firefox or OpenSSL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...if you for example take a look at the proprietary-only MySQL workbench or their OpenSolaris distribution which is hyped as a developer OS but requires you to buy a support contract if you want to get basic security updates e.g .
for Firefox or OpenSSL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...if you for example take a look at the proprietary-only MySQL workbench or their OpenSolaris distribution which is hyped as a developer OS but requires you to buy a support contract if you want to get basic security updates e.g.
for Firefox or OpenSSL.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142265</id>
	<title>It's still experimental</title>
	<author>MrEricSir</author>
	<datestamp>1243627980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Methinks they just want to make damn sure nobody uses this feature in a production environment.  This is more of a sneak peek for paying customers who are contractually bound against using this in a production environment.</p><p>If this was included in the standard distribution, then people would use it no matter what the documentation said.  And then Sun would be saddled with bug reports and whining.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Methinks they just want to make damn sure nobody uses this feature in a production environment .
This is more of a sneak peek for paying customers who are contractually bound against using this in a production environment.If this was included in the standard distribution , then people would use it no matter what the documentation said .
And then Sun would be saddled with bug reports and whining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Methinks they just want to make damn sure nobody uses this feature in a production environment.
This is more of a sneak peek for paying customers who are contractually bound against using this in a production environment.If this was included in the standard distribution, then people would use it no matter what the documentation said.
And then Sun would be saddled with bug reports and whining.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142919</id>
	<title>.Net ROCKS!!!</title>
	<author>bashmohandes</author>
	<datestamp>1243630620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Java GC always sucks anyway compared to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net one which is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee</htmltext>
<tokenext>Java GC always sucks anyway compared to .Net one which is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Java GC always sucks anyway compared to .Net one which is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142913</id>
	<title>Force garbage collection</title>
	<author>bjb\_admin</author>
	<datestamp>1243630560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought to force garbage collection you do FRE(0) ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought to force garbage collection you do FRE ( 0 ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought to force garbage collection you do FRE(0) ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142423</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243628580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It gets better. (Or worse, depending on your point of view.)</p><p>This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE, so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.</p><p>Just what I want to do, give Oracle the power to randomly stop applications I use from running. I wonder how long it will take for Eclipse to "accidentally" make it onto the blacklist?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It gets better .
( Or worse , depending on your point of view .
) This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE , so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.Just what I want to do , give Oracle the power to randomly stop applications I use from running .
I wonder how long it will take for Eclipse to " accidentally " make it onto the blacklist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It gets better.
(Or worse, depending on your point of view.
)This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE, so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.Just what I want to do, give Oracle the power to randomly stop applications I use from running.
I wonder how long it will take for Eclipse to "accidentally" make it onto the blacklist?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142063</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28147023</id>
	<title>IMHO...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243617000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK...G1 is an experimental feature, but the release notes states CLEARLY that '<i>Although G1 is available for use in this release, note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased.</i>'</p><p>Since obviously Oracle should monetize Java, it's getting clear, day by day, that Java's future will be the same MySQL had when Sun bought it. They will be releasing to the community experimental, not up-to-date versions, and let pass a lot of months until we get a good version. In other words: THEY WILL KILL JAVA! But, obviously, like MySQL, a lot of forks will appear, and round and round we go. This is really sad, considering the importance of Java on business and opensource world.</p><p>I'm not being sensationalist like many people maybe thinking reading this post, but unfortunately, companies like Oracle, will never understand the true opensource world facilities and how to make money at the same time supporting them correctly.</p><p>Shame on you, Oracle!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK...G1 is an experimental feature , but the release notes states CLEARLY that 'Although G1 is available for use in this release , note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased .
'Since obviously Oracle should monetize Java , it 's getting clear , day by day , that Java 's future will be the same MySQL had when Sun bought it .
They will be releasing to the community experimental , not up-to-date versions , and let pass a lot of months until we get a good version .
In other words : THEY WILL KILL JAVA !
But , obviously , like MySQL , a lot of forks will appear , and round and round we go .
This is really sad , considering the importance of Java on business and opensource world.I 'm not being sensationalist like many people maybe thinking reading this post , but unfortunately , companies like Oracle , will never understand the true opensource world facilities and how to make money at the same time supporting them correctly.Shame on you , Oracle !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK...G1 is an experimental feature, but the release notes states CLEARLY that 'Although G1 is available for use in this release, note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased.
'Since obviously Oracle should monetize Java, it's getting clear, day by day, that Java's future will be the same MySQL had when Sun bought it.
They will be releasing to the community experimental, not up-to-date versions, and let pass a lot of months until we get a good version.
In other words: THEY WILL KILL JAVA!
But, obviously, like MySQL, a lot of forks will appear, and round and round we go.
This is really sad, considering the importance of Java on business and opensource world.I'm not being sensationalist like many people maybe thinking reading this post, but unfortunately, companies like Oracle, will never understand the true opensource world facilities and how to make money at the same time supporting them correctly.Shame on you, Oracle!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28152149</id>
	<title>Re:For the record:</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1243676580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since you know so little about Java (based on ECMAscript? get real!), your dislike of it can hardly be based on anything reasonable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since you know so little about Java ( based on ECMAscript ?
get real !
) , your dislike of it can hardly be based on anything reasonable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since you know so little about Java (based on ECMAscript?
get real!
), your dislike of it can hardly be based on anything reasonable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28146957</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28146397</id>
	<title>Oracle=for profit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243609200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oracle is very much a for-profit company.  The CXO, the boss, everyone wants money.  Lots n lots of money!  More money!  Gimmee more!  More!  Lots more!  There is a reason why MySQL has already forked.  If Oracle can do this to Java, what do you think about a software application (a database!) that competes with their main product?  You don't have to think hard, nor for a long time.  Java has started down the slippery slope.  Give it away?  No!  It shall be replaced with Perl/Python/Ruby, although the first two are the most generic and application agnostic (IMHO).  Java as a language is now becoming smaller.  Its best days were before Microsoft abandoned it.  It suffered, but continued on.  Sun saw Java as one of those really great, run-anywhere languages that didn't need to be recompiled.  It was always slow (byte code yadda yadda too).  Now that Oracle has it, the bell is tolling for Java.  First you have to buy.  Next you will have to spend a lot.  Then patches will cause version splits between those who paid for new versions versus those who paid for old.  The community of users becomes fragmented, and much smaller.  The writing on the wall becomes much more clear to more people.  Finally the user base shrinks enough that Oracle decides death is better than maintenance.  Timeline?  6-10 years.  If they get stupid and fast, 6 years.  The slow death will take 10 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle is very much a for-profit company .
The CXO , the boss , everyone wants money .
Lots n lots of money !
More money !
Gimmee more !
More ! Lots more !
There is a reason why MySQL has already forked .
If Oracle can do this to Java , what do you think about a software application ( a database !
) that competes with their main product ?
You do n't have to think hard , nor for a long time .
Java has started down the slippery slope .
Give it away ?
No ! It shall be replaced with Perl/Python/Ruby , although the first two are the most generic and application agnostic ( IMHO ) .
Java as a language is now becoming smaller .
Its best days were before Microsoft abandoned it .
It suffered , but continued on .
Sun saw Java as one of those really great , run-anywhere languages that did n't need to be recompiled .
It was always slow ( byte code yadda yadda too ) .
Now that Oracle has it , the bell is tolling for Java .
First you have to buy .
Next you will have to spend a lot .
Then patches will cause version splits between those who paid for new versions versus those who paid for old .
The community of users becomes fragmented , and much smaller .
The writing on the wall becomes much more clear to more people .
Finally the user base shrinks enough that Oracle decides death is better than maintenance .
Timeline ? 6-10 years .
If they get stupid and fast , 6 years .
The slow death will take 10 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle is very much a for-profit company.
The CXO, the boss, everyone wants money.
Lots n lots of money!
More money!
Gimmee more!
More!  Lots more!
There is a reason why MySQL has already forked.
If Oracle can do this to Java, what do you think about a software application (a database!
) that competes with their main product?
You don't have to think hard, nor for a long time.
Java has started down the slippery slope.
Give it away?
No!  It shall be replaced with Perl/Python/Ruby, although the first two are the most generic and application agnostic (IMHO).
Java as a language is now becoming smaller.
Its best days were before Microsoft abandoned it.
It suffered, but continued on.
Sun saw Java as one of those really great, run-anywhere languages that didn't need to be recompiled.
It was always slow (byte code yadda yadda too).
Now that Oracle has it, the bell is tolling for Java.
First you have to buy.
Next you will have to spend a lot.
Then patches will cause version splits between those who paid for new versions versus those who paid for old.
The community of users becomes fragmented, and much smaller.
The writing on the wall becomes much more clear to more people.
Finally the user base shrinks enough that Oracle decides death is better than maintenance.
Timeline?  6-10 years.
If they get stupid and fast, 6 years.
The slow death will take 10 years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144261</id>
	<title>it's FOSS so what's the issue? DIY!</title>
	<author>Device666</author>
	<datestamp>1243593360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The open source community will be annoyed by not having a cool garbage collector for their open source Java. This probably means that some talented slashdotter will see the challenge of building an open, coole and better garbage collector.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The open source community will be annoyed by not having a cool garbage collector for their open source Java .
This probably means that some talented slashdotter will see the challenge of building an open , coole and better garbage collector .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The open source community will be annoyed by not having a cool garbage collector for their open source Java.
This probably means that some talented slashdotter will see the challenge of building an open, coole and better garbage collector.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142217</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243627860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So long as they publish the spec, we can't accuse them of being proprietary. So long as the free version is superior to other similar free technologies, they will still be the market leader. Sounds like they know what they're doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So long as they publish the spec , we ca n't accuse them of being proprietary .
So long as the free version is superior to other similar free technologies , they will still be the market leader .
Sounds like they know what they 're doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So long as they publish the spec, we can't accuse them of being proprietary.
So long as the free version is superior to other similar free technologies, they will still be the market leader.
Sounds like they know what they're doing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142063</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142499</id>
	<title>Harmful to open source and small businesses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243628880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If Oracle monetizes Java too harshly, small businesses may not use it and will opt for other open source languages. Java open source projects and Linux could take a dive over time due to lack of new project interest.

The one company that likes this the most is likely Microsoft.  As businesses are likely going to have to pay for a language, they may as well go for a highly integrated one.  C# may become more palatable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Oracle monetizes Java too harshly , small businesses may not use it and will opt for other open source languages .
Java open source projects and Linux could take a dive over time due to lack of new project interest .
The one company that likes this the most is likely Microsoft .
As businesses are likely going to have to pay for a language , they may as well go for a highly integrated one .
C # may become more palatable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Oracle monetizes Java too harshly, small businesses may not use it and will opt for other open source languages.
Java open source projects and Linux could take a dive over time due to lack of new project interest.
The one company that likes this the most is likely Microsoft.
As businesses are likely going to have to pay for a language, they may as well go for a highly integrated one.
C# may become more palatable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142947</id>
	<title>wait, I am confused...</title>
	<author>ca111a</author>
	<datestamp>1243630740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is Microsoft actually better in handling this kind of situation?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is Microsoft actually better in handling this kind of situation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is Microsoft actually better in handling this kind of situation?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143189</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1243588620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So long as they publish the spec, we can't accuse them of being proprietary.</p></div><p>Yeah, just like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So long as they publish the spec , we ca n't accuse them of being proprietary.Yeah , just like .NET , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So long as they publish the spec, we can't accuse them of being proprietary.Yeah, just like .NET, right?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142217</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142305</id>
	<title>suprised????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243628160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>did anyone really think Oracle was going to continue to release fully featured JDKs for free?????.....this is why the day Oracle bought Sun, i started learning C#....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>did anyone really think Oracle was going to continue to release fully featured JDKs for free ? ? ? ?
? .....this is why the day Oracle bought Sun , i started learning C # ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>did anyone really think Oracle was going to continue to release fully featured JDKs for free????
?.....this is why the day Oracle bought Sun, i started learning C#....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142727</id>
	<title>Why would you call it G1?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243629780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Developers may search for JRE on Android...which is also called G1.<br> <br>

Do you really want mixed results on Google search for "G1 Java"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Developers may search for JRE on Android...which is also called G1 .
Do you really want mixed results on Google search for " G1 Java " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Developers may search for JRE on Android...which is also called G1.
Do you really want mixed results on Google search for "G1 Java"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142505</id>
	<title>Re:suprised????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243628880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>did anyone really think Oracle was going to continue to release fully featured JDKs for free?????.....this is why the day Oracle bought Sun, i started learning C#....</p></div><p>lol, yes because C# is owned by a much more FOSS-friendly company. Microsoft would never charge to support experimental features in production-code.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>did anyone really think Oracle was going to continue to release fully featured JDKs for free ? ? ? ?
? .....this is why the day Oracle bought Sun , i started learning C # ....lol , yes because C # is owned by a much more FOSS-friendly company .
Microsoft would never charge to support experimental features in production-code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>did anyone really think Oracle was going to continue to release fully featured JDKs for free????
?.....this is why the day Oracle bought Sun, i started learning C#....lol, yes because C# is owned by a much more FOSS-friendly company.
Microsoft would never charge to support experimental features in production-code.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144111</id>
	<title>Wait, this is great news!</title>
	<author>mordejai</author>
	<datestamp>1243592520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Especially considering I'm a Senior<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET developer...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially considering I 'm a Senior .NET developer.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially considering I'm a Senior .NET developer...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28146465</id>
	<title>Re:Get 'r done takes money</title>
	<author>raddan</author>
	<datestamp>1243610160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which is why I'd take Visual Studio over gcc, Microsoft DNS over BIND, and Exchange over Postfix any day.
<br> <br>
Not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is why I 'd take Visual Studio over gcc , Microsoft DNS over BIND , and Exchange over Postfix any day .
Not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is why I'd take Visual Studio over gcc, Microsoft DNS over BIND, and Exchange over Postfix any day.
Not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142289</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143217</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243588740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE, so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.</p></div><p>It's not nearly as sinister as it sounds, at least judging by release notes:</p><p><i>"Support for blacklisting signed jar files has been added to 6u14. A blacklist is a list of signed jars that contain serious security vulnerabilities that can be exploited by untrusted applets or applications. A system-wide blacklist will be distributed with each JRE release. Java Plugin and Web Start will consult this blacklist and refuse to load any class or resource contained in a jar file that's on the blacklist. By default, blacklist checking is enabled. <b>The deployment.security.blacklist.check deployment configuration property can be used to toggle this behavior</b>."</i></p><p>So it's opt-out, but configurable. You're still free to run whatever you want.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE , so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.It 's not nearly as sinister as it sounds , at least judging by release notes : " Support for blacklisting signed jar files has been added to 6u14 .
A blacklist is a list of signed jars that contain serious security vulnerabilities that can be exploited by untrusted applets or applications .
A system-wide blacklist will be distributed with each JRE release .
Java Plugin and Web Start will consult this blacklist and refuse to load any class or resource contained in a jar file that 's on the blacklist .
By default , blacklist checking is enabled .
The deployment.security.blacklist.check deployment configuration property can be used to toggle this behavior .
" So it 's opt-out , but configurable .
You 're still free to run whatever you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This version also adds a blacklist to the JRE, so Oracle can ban people from running various applications.It's not nearly as sinister as it sounds, at least judging by release notes:"Support for blacklisting signed jar files has been added to 6u14.
A blacklist is a list of signed jars that contain serious security vulnerabilities that can be exploited by untrusted applets or applications.
A system-wide blacklist will be distributed with each JRE release.
Java Plugin and Web Start will consult this blacklist and refuse to load any class or resource contained in a jar file that's on the blacklist.
By default, blacklist checking is enabled.
The deployment.security.blacklist.check deployment configuration property can be used to toggle this behavior.
"So it's opt-out, but configurable.
You're still free to run whatever you want.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142423</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142717</id>
	<title>Oh no!</title>
	<author>HyperQuantum</author>
	<datestamp>1243629780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Java is doomed! Everyone switch to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET!<br>
<br>
oh wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Java is doomed !
Everyone switch to .NET !
oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Java is doomed!
Everyone switch to .NET!
oh wait...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142595</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243629240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does any industry that deals beyond a niche user base really think they can pay more programmers, writers or artists to compete with a billion people online?  What is going to end up happening is that companies that cannot make money off hardware, support services or the like on donation or ad-based platforms while supporting open content will perish trying to desperately sell something that no one considers worth buying.  Do they really think this is going to bring in more more money than pissing off an entire generation of people who have grown up programming under Java when it was free?  How long do you think it is going to take for these features popping up in a forked version, days or weeks?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does any industry that deals beyond a niche user base really think they can pay more programmers , writers or artists to compete with a billion people online ?
What is going to end up happening is that companies that can not make money off hardware , support services or the like on donation or ad-based platforms while supporting open content will perish trying to desperately sell something that no one considers worth buying .
Do they really think this is going to bring in more more money than pissing off an entire generation of people who have grown up programming under Java when it was free ?
How long do you think it is going to take for these features popping up in a forked version , days or weeks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does any industry that deals beyond a niche user base really think they can pay more programmers, writers or artists to compete with a billion people online?
What is going to end up happening is that companies that cannot make money off hardware, support services or the like on donation or ad-based platforms while supporting open content will perish trying to desperately sell something that no one considers worth buying.
Do they really think this is going to bring in more more money than pissing off an entire generation of people who have grown up programming under Java when it was free?
How long do you think it is going to take for these features popping up in a forked version, days or weeks?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142063</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142993</id>
	<title>bring out your dead...</title>
	<author>macbeth66</author>
	<datestamp>1243587720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's that smell?  Its like something died.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's that smell ?
Its like something died .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's that smell?
Its like something died.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142969</id>
	<title>FUD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243587660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And just how are they supposed to know that you are using this garbage collector?  If it's included in the vm, you just turn it on.  There is no way for them to know you are using it, especially in a web application which is the primary use of java.  More FUD from Oracle and the poster.  In any case, now that java is open source, I'm sure a better garbage collector will be written by contributors than the piece of crap those idiots at SUN came up with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And just how are they supposed to know that you are using this garbage collector ?
If it 's included in the vm , you just turn it on .
There is no way for them to know you are using it , especially in a web application which is the primary use of java .
More FUD from Oracle and the poster .
In any case , now that java is open source , I 'm sure a better garbage collector will be written by contributors than the piece of crap those idiots at SUN came up with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And just how are they supposed to know that you are using this garbage collector?
If it's included in the vm, you just turn it on.
There is no way for them to know you are using it, especially in a web application which is the primary use of java.
More FUD from Oracle and the poster.
In any case, now that java is open source, I'm sure a better garbage collector will be written by contributors than the piece of crap those idiots at SUN came up with.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28194149</id>
	<title>Wrong reading?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244035740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found that the note is not right!</p><p>The release notes does not state: "Although G1 is available for use in this release, note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased."</p><p>Indeed, it states "G1 is available as early access in this release, please try it and give us feedback. Usage in production settings without a Java SE for Business support contract is not recommended"</p><p>So, it is not recommended for production, because it is an early release. Nothing to do with contract permission.</p><p>False catch<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found that the note is not right ! The release notes does not state : " Although G1 is available for use in this release , note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased .
" Indeed , it states " G1 is available as early access in this release , please try it and give us feedback .
Usage in production settings without a Java SE for Business support contract is not recommended " So , it is not recommended for production , because it is an early release .
Nothing to do with contract permission.False catch : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found that the note is not right!The release notes does not state: "Although G1 is available for use in this release, note that production use of G1 is only permitted where a Java support contract has been purchased.
"Indeed, it states "G1 is available as early access in this release, please try it and give us feedback.
Usage in production settings without a Java SE for Business support contract is not recommended"So, it is not recommended for production, because it is an early release.
Nothing to do with contract permission.False catch :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142847</id>
	<title>Wait! Holy cock-gobbling fucktarded shit!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243630320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone actually asked for MONEY for the product of their work? What a communist bastard! I plan to install the latest Ubuntu and flagellate myself bloody in protest. FIGHT THE POWER!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone actually asked for MONEY for the product of their work ?
What a communist bastard !
I plan to install the latest Ubuntu and flagellate myself bloody in protest .
FIGHT THE POWER !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone actually asked for MONEY for the product of their work?
What a communist bastard!
I plan to install the latest Ubuntu and flagellate myself bloody in protest.
FIGHT THE POWER!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142415</id>
	<title>Oracle::Java == MS::VB6</title>
	<author>olderphart</author>
	<datestamp>1243628520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is your notice that Oracle will control the future Java trajectory for the benefit of Oracle. It's only going to get worse. There will be poison candy like this GC, strategic API and ABI changes, and just a world of hurt. I survived IBM, DEC, and MS hegemonies, and I've been paying attention. It's gonna happen.</p><p>However, as a nakedly proprietary platform, it's possible the academic world will back off from its embrace of Java in favor of unowned platforms. One can hope.<br>--<br>olderphart</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is your notice that Oracle will control the future Java trajectory for the benefit of Oracle .
It 's only going to get worse .
There will be poison candy like this GC , strategic API and ABI changes , and just a world of hurt .
I survived IBM , DEC , and MS hegemonies , and I 've been paying attention .
It 's gon na happen.However , as a nakedly proprietary platform , it 's possible the academic world will back off from its embrace of Java in favor of unowned platforms .
One can hope.--olderphart</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is your notice that Oracle will control the future Java trajectory for the benefit of Oracle.
It's only going to get worse.
There will be poison candy like this GC, strategic API and ABI changes, and just a world of hurt.
I survived IBM, DEC, and MS hegemonies, and I've been paying attention.
It's gonna happen.However, as a nakedly proprietary platform, it's possible the academic world will back off from its embrace of Java in favor of unowned platforms.
One can hope.--olderphart</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142173</id>
	<title>Re:Garbage collector?</title>
	<author>HBI</author>
	<datestamp>1243627680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Java hides the details of memory allocation from the programmer.  Objects, strings, etc use memory.  When they are first used, Java makes sure that the appropriate amounts of memory are allocated for the item in question.  When these items are no longer in use, the garbage collector finds them and frees the memory so that it can be used for other parts of the application.</p><p>VB is another place where a garbage collector would be found.  Ditto<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Java hides the details of memory allocation from the programmer .
Objects , strings , etc use memory .
When they are first used , Java makes sure that the appropriate amounts of memory are allocated for the item in question .
When these items are no longer in use , the garbage collector finds them and frees the memory so that it can be used for other parts of the application.VB is another place where a garbage collector would be found .
Ditto .NET .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Java hides the details of memory allocation from the programmer.
Objects, strings, etc use memory.
When they are first used, Java makes sure that the appropriate amounts of memory are allocated for the item in question.
When these items are no longer in use, the garbage collector finds them and frees the memory so that it can be used for other parts of the application.VB is another place where a garbage collector would be found.
Ditto .NET.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142089</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143691</id>
	<title>what's wrong with you guys?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243590900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You guys are talking about this as if Java was doomed.</p><p>Instead, it's just the free version lacking an extra feature that's not even proven yet. What does G1 do better than the old garbage collector?</p><p>It's like saying that your car sucks now because somebody is selling big spoilers and you don't want to buy them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys are talking about this as if Java was doomed.Instead , it 's just the free version lacking an extra feature that 's not even proven yet .
What does G1 do better than the old garbage collector ? It 's like saying that your car sucks now because somebody is selling big spoilers and you do n't want to buy them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys are talking about this as if Java was doomed.Instead, it's just the free version lacking an extra feature that's not even proven yet.
What does G1 do better than the old garbage collector?It's like saying that your car sucks now because somebody is selling big spoilers and you don't want to buy them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28165413</id>
	<title>G1</title>
	<author>guliverk</author>
	<datestamp>1243850160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>G1 must be usefull...</htmltext>
<tokenext>G1 must be usefull.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>G1 must be usefull...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143945</id>
	<title>Re:suprised????</title>
	<author>multi io</author>
	<datestamp>1243591920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One could argue that once Sun/Oracle Java have sufficiently abandoned their free/OSS Java licensing and made themselves indistinguishable from MS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET in this regard, the licensing issue no longer works in favor of the Java camp, and thus you might just as well choose your dev environment based on technical merits only, which may lead to different decisions than before.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One could argue that once Sun/Oracle Java have sufficiently abandoned their free/OSS Java licensing and made themselves indistinguishable from MS .NET in this regard , the licensing issue no longer works in favor of the Java camp , and thus you might just as well choose your dev environment based on technical merits only , which may lead to different decisions than before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One could argue that once Sun/Oracle Java have sufficiently abandoned their free/OSS Java licensing and made themselves indistinguishable from MS .NET in this regard, the licensing issue no longer works in favor of the Java camp, and thus you might just as well choose your dev environment based on technical merits only, which may lead to different decisions than before.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142527</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Java?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243629000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Java was never cool. I avoided it  1) because it was missing a lot of features needed to write real programs; 2) I didn't want to support people like Patrick Naughton (http://slashdot.org/articles/99/09/20/0744243.shtml).  Paying for Java supports pedophiles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Java was never cool .
I avoided it 1 ) because it was missing a lot of features needed to write real programs ; 2 ) I did n't want to support people like Patrick Naughton ( http : //slashdot.org/articles/99/09/20/0744243.shtml ) .
Paying for Java supports pedophiles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Java was never cool.
I avoided it  1) because it was missing a lot of features needed to write real programs; 2) I didn't want to support people like Patrick Naughton (http://slashdot.org/articles/99/09/20/0744243.shtml).
Paying for Java supports pedophiles.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142063</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144915</id>
	<title>Car Analogy</title>
	<author>El\_Oscuro</author>
	<datestamp>1243597020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here is one based on an old hot-rodding maxim:

Java, Oracle, Good.  Pick 2.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is one based on an old hot-rodding maxim : Java , Oracle , Good .
Pick 2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is one based on an old hot-rodding maxim:

Java, Oracle, Good.
Pick 2.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28145365</id>
	<title>Re:Oracle deal not done yet.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243599960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'er who actually knows something of the real world.  I was just about to point that out, thanks for beating me to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow a / .
'er who actually knows something of the real world .
I was just about to point that out , thanks for beating me to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow a /.
'er who actually knows something of the real world.
I was just about to point that out, thanks for beating me to it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142503</id>
	<title>Not Oracle touch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243628880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sun started monetizing on Java few months prior to even buyouts were discussed - I support/maintain a bunch of Java based applications and Sun notified us that Java versions will no longer be supported for free and we would need to buy a JavaSE for Business (JFB) contract if we needed support. This applies not only to older versions but also to newest ones - no version is going to be supported on Windows and Linux for free and without support the Solaris bundled versions will be supported for lesser period than before.

<br>

They have also begun to make JES only work/supported on Solaris - so if you want JES you need to buy Solaris and Sun Server by definition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sun started monetizing on Java few months prior to even buyouts were discussed - I support/maintain a bunch of Java based applications and Sun notified us that Java versions will no longer be supported for free and we would need to buy a JavaSE for Business ( JFB ) contract if we needed support .
This applies not only to older versions but also to newest ones - no version is going to be supported on Windows and Linux for free and without support the Solaris bundled versions will be supported for lesser period than before .
They have also begun to make JES only work/supported on Solaris - so if you want JES you need to buy Solaris and Sun Server by definition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sun started monetizing on Java few months prior to even buyouts were discussed - I support/maintain a bunch of Java based applications and Sun notified us that Java versions will no longer be supported for free and we would need to buy a JavaSE for Business (JFB) contract if we needed support.
This applies not only to older versions but also to newest ones - no version is going to be supported on Windows and Linux for free and without support the Solaris bundled versions will be supported for lesser period than before.
They have also begun to make JES only work/supported on Solaris - so if you want JES you need to buy Solaris and Sun Server by definition.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142663</id>
	<title>Maybe Mono isn't that "bad" for Open Source after</title>
	<author>melted</author>
	<datestamp>1243629540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe Mono isn't that "bad" for Open Source after all. A little competition will put a damper on stupid shakedown attempts like this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe Mono is n't that " bad " for Open Source after all .
A little competition will put a damper on stupid shakedown attempts like this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe Mono isn't that "bad" for Open Source after all.
A little competition will put a damper on stupid shakedown attempts like this one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28146099</id>
	<title>Re:Why would you call it G1?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1243605900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The first papers I read on the G1 garbage collector were a couple of years ago.  They've been working on this for a <i>long</i>time and had publicised the name quite a while before Google announced Android.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first papers I read on the G1 garbage collector were a couple of years ago .
They 've been working on this for a longtime and had publicised the name quite a while before Google announced Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first papers I read on the G1 garbage collector were a couple of years ago.
They've been working on this for a longtime and had publicised the name quite a while before Google announced Android.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142727</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28147385</id>
	<title>The Oracle Stamp!!</title>
	<author>rawjeev</author>
	<datestamp>1243622460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If At all this is true then, screwing-up-of-java has just begun. We ditched our plans to use berkeleydb precisely for similar reasons after Oracle took over.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If At all this is true then , screwing-up-of-java has just begun .
We ditched our plans to use berkeleydb precisely for similar reasons after Oracle took over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If At all this is true then, screwing-up-of-java has just begun.
We ditched our plans to use berkeleydb precisely for similar reasons after Oracle took over.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28143115</id>
	<title>Hate to say, I told you so...</title>
	<author>tech\_fixer</author>
	<datestamp>1243588260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I said this would happen: <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1240121&amp;cid=28039069" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1240121&amp;cid=28039069</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>Oracle gives away stuff, and then charges for the good features or forbids usage 'till paid. Else, the Oracle Police will come around...</p><p>Good thing they are not part of the BSA, are they? I dont remember, my memory slips... Darn garbage collector, if I only were allowed to use the new one I wouldnt have memory problems!</p><p>Thanks for nothing, Oracle!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I said this would happen : http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1240121&amp;cid = 28039069 [ slashdot.org ] Oracle gives away stuff , and then charges for the good features or forbids usage 'till paid .
Else , the Oracle Police will come around...Good thing they are not part of the BSA , are they ?
I dont remember , my memory slips... Darn garbage collector , if I only were allowed to use the new one I wouldnt have memory problems ! Thanks for nothing , Oracle !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I said this would happen: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1240121&amp;cid=28039069 [slashdot.org]Oracle gives away stuff, and then charges for the good features or forbids usage 'till paid.
Else, the Oracle Police will come around...Good thing they are not part of the BSA, are they?
I dont remember, my memory slips... Darn garbage collector, if I only were allowed to use the new one I wouldnt have memory problems!Thanks for nothing, Oracle!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144463</id>
	<title>Better than the JCE experience</title>
	<author>duncan bayne</author>
	<datestamp>1243594500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, at least users won't have to download a ZIP and extract several JARs into the JVM path in order to have it work.  Not that I'm <a href="http://www.fluidscape.co.nz/node/152" title="fluidscape.co.nz">bitter about JCE</a> [fluidscape.co.nz] or anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , at least users wo n't have to download a ZIP and extract several JARs into the JVM path in order to have it work .
Not that I 'm bitter about JCE [ fluidscape.co.nz ] or anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, at least users won't have to download a ZIP and extract several JARs into the JVM path in order to have it work.
Not that I'm bitter about JCE [fluidscape.co.nz] or anything.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142145</id>
	<title>Re:Garbage collector?</title>
	<author>whiledo</author>
	<datestamp>1243627620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=garbage+collector" title="lmgtfy.com">http://lmgtfy.com/?q=garbage+collector</a> [lmgtfy.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //lmgtfy.com/ ? q = garbage + collector [ lmgtfy.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=garbage+collector [lmgtfy.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142089</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28152921</id>
	<title>KYAGB Java!</title>
	<author>woboyle</author>
	<datestamp>1243681380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Say goodbye to Java. This is sounding its death-knell. Time to move the Eclipse project to some other software platform I think (if only that were feasible).<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Say goodbye to Java .
This is sounding its death-knell .
Time to move the Eclipse project to some other software platform I think ( if only that were feasible ) .
: - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say goodbye to Java.
This is sounding its death-knell.
Time to move the Eclipse project to some other software platform I think (if only that were feasible).
:-(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144105</id>
	<title>And Bill Gates gets his wish</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243592520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This signals the beginning of the end of Java. I will no longer use or support Java that has now become essentially closed source or will be soon. Gates hates Java and this is the start of the death spiral from being one of the most popular languages to being marginalized. Soon that wretched Visual Whatever will be more prominent and that will be that for Java. I'm still sticking to Perl and JavaScript for now for web apps. But as I said... goodbye to Java (Topcat, Websphere and Weblogic too) and Sun can just go fade into the sunset.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This signals the beginning of the end of Java .
I will no longer use or support Java that has now become essentially closed source or will be soon .
Gates hates Java and this is the start of the death spiral from being one of the most popular languages to being marginalized .
Soon that wretched Visual Whatever will be more prominent and that will be that for Java .
I 'm still sticking to Perl and JavaScript for now for web apps .
But as I said... goodbye to Java ( Topcat , Websphere and Weblogic too ) and Sun can just go fade into the sunset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This signals the beginning of the end of Java.
I will no longer use or support Java that has now become essentially closed source or will be soon.
Gates hates Java and this is the start of the death spiral from being one of the most popular languages to being marginalized.
Soon that wretched Visual Whatever will be more prominent and that will be that for Java.
I'm still sticking to Perl and JavaScript for now for web apps.
But as I said... goodbye to Java (Topcat, Websphere and Weblogic too) and Sun can just go fade into the sunset.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142089</id>
	<title>Garbage collector?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243627380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a non-programmer, can someone give a brief explanation of what a garbage collector is as it pertains to programming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a non-programmer , can someone give a brief explanation of what a garbage collector is as it pertains to programming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a non-programmer, can someone give a brief explanation of what a garbage collector is as it pertains to programming.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28146427</id>
	<title>now that the java-haters have cleared out</title>
	<author>recharged95</author>
	<datestamp>1243609620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>So basically what we're talking here is:
<ul>
<li>Use Sun's JDK and want support (i.e. you don't figure out the solution)? Pay for it.
</li><li>Use openJDK and want support (ie.. you figure it out)? Have fun.
</li></ul><p>.</p><p>
Sounds like any other typical OSS business model from Ubuntu, Novell, RedHat, IBM, and even Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So basically what we 're talking here is : Use Sun 's JDK and want support ( i.e .
you do n't figure out the solution ) ?
Pay for it .
Use openJDK and want support ( ie.. you figure it out ) ?
Have fun .
. Sounds like any other typical OSS business model from Ubuntu , Novell , RedHat , IBM , and even Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So basically what we're talking here is:

Use Sun's JDK and want support (i.e.
you don't figure out the solution)?
Pay for it.
Use openJDK and want support (ie.. you figure it out)?
Have fun.
.
Sounds like any other typical OSS business model from Ubuntu, Novell, RedHat, IBM, and even Microsoft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28144009</id>
	<title>And this is wrong how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243592100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the issue here?  Why shouldn't they get some value in return for providing value?</p><p>I don't work for free, and chances are you don't either.  It is amusing, in a dark way, to see the level of entitlement that is expected around here.  Just because something is downloadable - be it Java or music or movies - doesn't mean that you can appropriate it for free.  And for you bearded, unbathed, GNU-tard zealots out there, by free I mean free as in "free deodorant."  Might want to check that one out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the issue here ?
Why should n't they get some value in return for providing value ? I do n't work for free , and chances are you do n't either .
It is amusing , in a dark way , to see the level of entitlement that is expected around here .
Just because something is downloadable - be it Java or music or movies - does n't mean that you can appropriate it for free .
And for you bearded , unbathed , GNU-tard zealots out there , by free I mean free as in " free deodorant .
" Might want to check that one out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the issue here?
Why shouldn't they get some value in return for providing value?I don't work for free, and chances are you don't either.
It is amusing, in a dark way, to see the level of entitlement that is expected around here.
Just because something is downloadable - be it Java or music or movies - doesn't mean that you can appropriate it for free.
And for you bearded, unbathed, GNU-tard zealots out there, by free I mean free as in "free deodorant.
"  Might want to check that one out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142723</id>
	<title>Bad Oracle touch</title>
	<author>NewbieProgrammerMan</author>
	<datestamp>1243629780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So the Oracle touch is already taking effect.</p></div><p>Fork you, Oracle!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the Oracle touch is already taking effect.Fork you , Oracle !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the Oracle touch is already taking effect.Fork you, Oracle!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1711203.28142769</id>
	<title>sensationalism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243629960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The slashdot summary seems to me to have a heavy dose of sensationalism.
</p><p>
Oracle's implementation of java is GPL'd. What more do we want from them?
</p><p>
I doubt that there's been any recent research that's uncovered some fantastic new mechanism for garbage collection that was never known before. Garbage collection used to suck, and that was one of the problems, historically, with LISP. Over the decades, garbage collection has gradually gotten better. All the improvements in garbage collection are in the public domain. Gc is not generally a performance bottleneck for modern garbage-collected languages.
</p><p>
It would be slightly more worrisome if this new gc algorithm was patented -- but I haven't seen any evidence that it is. If it's not, then nothing is preventing anyone from making a fully GPL'd version of java with the new algorithm. If it <i>was</i> patented, then this would be a problem for all garbage-collected languages with open-source implemtations, not just java.
</p><p>
Does java's performance really depend much on the efficiency of its gc? My main complaint about java's performance is that the VM and libraries take too long to load.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The slashdot summary seems to me to have a heavy dose of sensationalism .
Oracle 's implementation of java is GPL 'd .
What more do we want from them ?
I doubt that there 's been any recent research that 's uncovered some fantastic new mechanism for garbage collection that was never known before .
Garbage collection used to suck , and that was one of the problems , historically , with LISP .
Over the decades , garbage collection has gradually gotten better .
All the improvements in garbage collection are in the public domain .
Gc is not generally a performance bottleneck for modern garbage-collected languages .
It would be slightly more worrisome if this new gc algorithm was patented -- but I have n't seen any evidence that it is .
If it 's not , then nothing is preventing anyone from making a fully GPL 'd version of java with the new algorithm .
If it was patented , then this would be a problem for all garbage-collected languages with open-source implemtations , not just java .
Does java 's performance really depend much on the efficiency of its gc ?
My main complaint about java 's performance is that the VM and libraries take too long to load .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The slashdot summary seems to me to have a heavy dose of sensationalism.
Oracle's implementation of java is GPL'd.
What more do we want from them?
I doubt that there's been any recent research that's uncovered some fantastic new mechanism for garbage collection that was never known before.
Garbage collection used to suck, and that was one of the problems, historically, with LISP.
Over the decades, garbage collection has gradually gotten better.
All the improvements in garbage collection are in the public domain.
Gc is not generally a performance bottleneck for modern garbage-collected languages.
It would be slightly more worrisome if this new gc algorithm was patented -- but I haven't seen any evidence that it is.
If it's not, then nothing is preventing anyone from making a fully GPL'd version of java with the new algorithm.
If it was patented, then this would be a problem for all garbage-collected languages with open-source implemtations, not just java.
Does java's performance really depend much on the efficiency of its gc?
My main complaint about java's performance is that the VM and libraries take too long to load.
</sentencetext>
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