<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_29_1558241</id>
	<title>Palm Pre To Sync Seamlessly With iTunes</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1243615560000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Wired is reporting that Palm's new handheld device, the Pre, will be able to <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/snap-palm-pre-will-sync-seamlessly-with-itunes/">sync automagically with Apple's iTunes</a>.  Thanks to a team of ex-Apple engineers the Pre will sync everything but iPhone applications and some of the older Fairplay DRM music.  <i>"It does it by faking out iTunes, making the jukebox software think that it is connected to a real iPod. Hook it up and you'll be given three options: USB mass storage device, charging only or iTunes sync.  This is a ballsy move from Palm, and we totally love it: a big fat middle finger at Apple. Apple will, we are sure, be readying its legal attack dogs as I write, and don't be at all surprised if an iTunes update pops up around June 6th. This fight just got a lot more interesting."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wired is reporting that Palm 's new handheld device , the Pre , will be able to sync automagically with Apple 's iTunes .
Thanks to a team of ex-Apple engineers the Pre will sync everything but iPhone applications and some of the older Fairplay DRM music .
" It does it by faking out iTunes , making the jukebox software think that it is connected to a real iPod .
Hook it up and you 'll be given three options : USB mass storage device , charging only or iTunes sync .
This is a ballsy move from Palm , and we totally love it : a big fat middle finger at Apple .
Apple will , we are sure , be readying its legal attack dogs as I write , and do n't be at all surprised if an iTunes update pops up around June 6th .
This fight just got a lot more interesting .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wired is reporting that Palm's new handheld device, the Pre, will be able to sync automagically with Apple's iTunes.
Thanks to a team of ex-Apple engineers the Pre will sync everything but iPhone applications and some of the older Fairplay DRM music.
"It does it by faking out iTunes, making the jukebox software think that it is connected to a real iPod.
Hook it up and you'll be given three options: USB mass storage device, charging only or iTunes sync.
This is a ballsy move from Palm, and we totally love it: a big fat middle finger at Apple.
Apple will, we are sure, be readying its legal attack dogs as I write, and don't be at all surprised if an iTunes update pops up around June 6th.
This fight just got a lot more interesting.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140295</id>
	<title>iTunes Has Always Supported Other Players</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243619460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are even <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2172" title="apple.com">documented</a> [apple.com] on Apple's website.  I'm not sure why it's a surprise that the Pre is also going to be able to sync with iTunes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are even documented [ apple.com ] on Apple 's website .
I 'm not sure why it 's a surprise that the Pre is also going to be able to sync with iTunes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are even documented [apple.com] on Apple's website.
I'm not sure why it's a surprise that the Pre is also going to be able to sync with iTunes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140903</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>bendodge</author>
	<datestamp>1243622520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the fake is good enough, it will break real iPods too. Then Apple would have to release an update for the iPod and iTunes, and probably delay in between, at which time Palm updates the Pre. Essentially an arms race. Palm would probably be locked out at times, but if Palm is diligent it should work pretty well. They'd have an advantage in that a smartphone can be updated at anytime, vs an regular iPod which must be connected to a PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the fake is good enough , it will break real iPods too .
Then Apple would have to release an update for the iPod and iTunes , and probably delay in between , at which time Palm updates the Pre .
Essentially an arms race .
Palm would probably be locked out at times , but if Palm is diligent it should work pretty well .
They 'd have an advantage in that a smartphone can be updated at anytime , vs an regular iPod which must be connected to a PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the fake is good enough, it will break real iPods too.
Then Apple would have to release an update for the iPod and iTunes, and probably delay in between, at which time Palm updates the Pre.
Essentially an arms race.
Palm would probably be locked out at times, but if Palm is diligent it should work pretty well.
They'd have an advantage in that a smartphone can be updated at anytime, vs an regular iPod which must be connected to a PC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141697</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>Own3d-You</author>
	<datestamp>1243625760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wasn't that all to do with the music industry refusing to let Apple sell DRM free music? As opposed to "Apple's DRM practices".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't that all to do with the music industry refusing to let Apple sell DRM free music ?
As opposed to " Apple 's DRM practices " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't that all to do with the music industry refusing to let Apple sell DRM free music?
As opposed to "Apple's DRM practices".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28147079</id>
	<title>Re:PALM PRE OMG</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1243617540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've never heard of it before.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never heard of it before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never heard of it before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141133</id>
	<title>Not that hard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243623420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not all that hard to do when you control the software on the device:<br><a href="http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/03/14/rockboxitunes/" title="daniel.haxx.se" rel="nofollow">http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/03/14/rockboxitunes/</a> [daniel.haxx.se]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not all that hard to do when you control the software on the device : http : //daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/03/14/rockboxitunes/ [ daniel.haxx.se ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not all that hard to do when you control the software on the device:http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/03/14/rockboxitunes/ [daniel.haxx.se]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28143447</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>samcan</author>
	<datestamp>1243589880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open source products hack together support for file formats all the time.</p><p>Microsoft didn't just willingly hand over the file format specs for Office documents to the OpenOffice.org team. Rather, they reverse-engineered support. Microsoft could have released updates to Office to change the file format, but that would have probably
resulted in media backlash when files from one version of Office 2003 couldn't be read by another.</p><p>At least, I think this is similar. Perhaps I'm wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open source products hack together support for file formats all the time.Microsoft did n't just willingly hand over the file format specs for Office documents to the OpenOffice.org team .
Rather , they reverse-engineered support .
Microsoft could have released updates to Office to change the file format , but that would have probably resulted in media backlash when files from one version of Office 2003 could n't be read by another.At least , I think this is similar .
Perhaps I 'm wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open source products hack together support for file formats all the time.Microsoft didn't just willingly hand over the file format specs for Office documents to the OpenOffice.org team.
Rather, they reverse-engineered support.
Microsoft could have released updates to Office to change the file format, but that would have probably
resulted in media backlash when files from one version of Office 2003 couldn't be read by another.At least, I think this is similar.
Perhaps I'm wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28148801</id>
	<title>throw me in the briar patch</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1243692000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What exactly is the threat to Apple? It works with iTunes? So? I used to own a TDK MP3 player that also worked with iTunes. People forget that iTunes predates the iPod.<br> <br>Some people never use iTunes to buy anything, but once you have iTunes it is hard to resist visiting the iTunes Music Store. Remember, Apple is getting rid of DRM in the ITMS, and music purchased there now "plays for sure" on any device. This is much more of a middle finger to the RIAA. Keep in mind that the recording industry is looking to reduce Apple's control and influence, not increase it.<br> <br>If Apple allows Palm, iRiver and other device manufacturers to use iTunes, it gains access to potential music sales that previously would not have been Apple's. When it comes to personal listening devices, either you iPod or you don't. But - if you own an MP3 player and you buy music instead of downloading it on P2P networks, I am sure Apple would love to have your business.<br> <br>Next, consider the potential market for sales to owners of <i>smartphones</i>, and Apple can broaden their potential market tenfold without lifting a finger. If Palm allows the Pre to utilize iTunes without prompting or overt permission from Apple, the FTC cannot really take action against Apple for restraint of trade, monopoly practices, etc etc etc. <br> <br>Finally, iTunes exposes the user to the Mac user interface, even when running on Windows. Users may also see Apple product features "dimmed" in buttons and menus when their non-Apple product is connected. Apple could even detect that a non-Apple product is connected to their iTunes software and display marketing that targets sales to users of their competitors' products. Can you say "halo effect"?<br> <br> <i>"I've got you this time, Brer Rabbit," said Brer Fox, jumping up and shaking off the dust. "You've sassed me for the very last time. Now I wonder what I should do with you?"<br> <br>Brer Rabbit's eyes got very large. "Oh please Brer Fox, whatever you do, please don't throw me into the briar patch."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly is the threat to Apple ?
It works with iTunes ?
So ? I used to own a TDK MP3 player that also worked with iTunes .
People forget that iTunes predates the iPod .
Some people never use iTunes to buy anything , but once you have iTunes it is hard to resist visiting the iTunes Music Store .
Remember , Apple is getting rid of DRM in the ITMS , and music purchased there now " plays for sure " on any device .
This is much more of a middle finger to the RIAA .
Keep in mind that the recording industry is looking to reduce Apple 's control and influence , not increase it .
If Apple allows Palm , iRiver and other device manufacturers to use iTunes , it gains access to potential music sales that previously would not have been Apple 's .
When it comes to personal listening devices , either you iPod or you do n't .
But - if you own an MP3 player and you buy music instead of downloading it on P2P networks , I am sure Apple would love to have your business .
Next , consider the potential market for sales to owners of smartphones , and Apple can broaden their potential market tenfold without lifting a finger .
If Palm allows the Pre to utilize iTunes without prompting or overt permission from Apple , the FTC can not really take action against Apple for restraint of trade , monopoly practices , etc etc etc .
Finally , iTunes exposes the user to the Mac user interface , even when running on Windows .
Users may also see Apple product features " dimmed " in buttons and menus when their non-Apple product is connected .
Apple could even detect that a non-Apple product is connected to their iTunes software and display marketing that targets sales to users of their competitors ' products .
Can you say " halo effect " ?
" I 've got you this time , Brer Rabbit , " said Brer Fox , jumping up and shaking off the dust .
" You 've sassed me for the very last time .
Now I wonder what I should do with you ?
" Brer Rabbit 's eyes got very large .
" Oh please Brer Fox , whatever you do , please do n't throw me into the briar patch .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly is the threat to Apple?
It works with iTunes?
So? I used to own a TDK MP3 player that also worked with iTunes.
People forget that iTunes predates the iPod.
Some people never use iTunes to buy anything, but once you have iTunes it is hard to resist visiting the iTunes Music Store.
Remember, Apple is getting rid of DRM in the ITMS, and music purchased there now "plays for sure" on any device.
This is much more of a middle finger to the RIAA.
Keep in mind that the recording industry is looking to reduce Apple's control and influence, not increase it.
If Apple allows Palm, iRiver and other device manufacturers to use iTunes, it gains access to potential music sales that previously would not have been Apple's.
When it comes to personal listening devices, either you iPod or you don't.
But - if you own an MP3 player and you buy music instead of downloading it on P2P networks, I am sure Apple would love to have your business.
Next, consider the potential market for sales to owners of smartphones, and Apple can broaden their potential market tenfold without lifting a finger.
If Palm allows the Pre to utilize iTunes without prompting or overt permission from Apple, the FTC cannot really take action against Apple for restraint of trade, monopoly practices, etc etc etc.
Finally, iTunes exposes the user to the Mac user interface, even when running on Windows.
Users may also see Apple product features "dimmed" in buttons and menus when their non-Apple product is connected.
Apple could even detect that a non-Apple product is connected to their iTunes software and display marketing that targets sales to users of their competitors' products.
Can you say "halo effect"?
"I've got you this time, Brer Rabbit," said Brer Fox, jumping up and shaking off the dust.
"You've sassed me for the very last time.
Now I wonder what I should do with you?
" Brer Rabbit's eyes got very large.
"Oh please Brer Fox, whatever you do, please don't throw me into the briar patch.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28142189</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243627800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a reason that Apple's products are known to be virtually 100\% secure.  They don't let third parties with possibly different standards of quality control be able to screw things up.</p><p>I'm looking forward to the iTunes update myself to lock out this crap.  I wonder if it could be considered stealing by other companies trying to commandeer Apple's painstaking hard work in making the absolute best music management utility on their product without any payment back.</p><p>Anyone willing to take bets on when the DMCA takedown notices come out?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a reason that Apple 's products are known to be virtually 100 \ % secure .
They do n't let third parties with possibly different standards of quality control be able to screw things up.I 'm looking forward to the iTunes update myself to lock out this crap .
I wonder if it could be considered stealing by other companies trying to commandeer Apple 's painstaking hard work in making the absolute best music management utility on their product without any payment back.Anyone willing to take bets on when the DMCA takedown notices come out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a reason that Apple's products are known to be virtually 100\% secure.
They don't let third parties with possibly different standards of quality control be able to screw things up.I'm looking forward to the iTunes update myself to lock out this crap.
I wonder if it could be considered stealing by other companies trying to commandeer Apple's painstaking hard work in making the absolute best music management utility on their product without any payment back.Anyone willing to take bets on when the DMCA takedown notices come out?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140459</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1243620240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was with you up until the DRM part.  The iTunes store is almost entirely DRM-free by now.</p><p>If you don't like AAC either, Amazon.com sells MP3 downloads that are cheaper than iTunes downloads, and has about the same selection.  iTunes was once a monopoly, although Apple's DRM practices ironically ended that rather quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was with you up until the DRM part .
The iTunes store is almost entirely DRM-free by now.If you do n't like AAC either , Amazon.com sells MP3 downloads that are cheaper than iTunes downloads , and has about the same selection .
iTunes was once a monopoly , although Apple 's DRM practices ironically ended that rather quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was with you up until the DRM part.
The iTunes store is almost entirely DRM-free by now.If you don't like AAC either, Amazon.com sells MP3 downloads that are cheaper than iTunes downloads, and has about the same selection.
iTunes was once a monopoly, although Apple's DRM practices ironically ended that rather quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141583</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>saleenS281</author>
	<datestamp>1243625280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure if you noticed, but the Palm Pre is a cellphone.  It is not "based" in a fashion on iTunes sync capabilities.  It's just another nice feature to have.  If apple breaks it, it will be fixed again.  If Apple continues to break it, I'm sure there will likely be a lawsuit... because, as has been quoted many times before, that sort of thing is frowned upon by the courts per the Clatyon act.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6538" title="linuxjournal.com">http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6538</a> [linuxjournal.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure if you noticed , but the Palm Pre is a cellphone .
It is not " based " in a fashion on iTunes sync capabilities .
It 's just another nice feature to have .
If apple breaks it , it will be fixed again .
If Apple continues to break it , I 'm sure there will likely be a lawsuit... because , as has been quoted many times before , that sort of thing is frowned upon by the courts per the Clatyon act .
http : //www.linuxjournal.com/article/6538 [ linuxjournal.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure if you noticed, but the Palm Pre is a cellphone.
It is not "based" in a fashion on iTunes sync capabilities.
It's just another nice feature to have.
If apple breaks it, it will be fixed again.
If Apple continues to break it, I'm sure there will likely be a lawsuit... because, as has been quoted many times before, that sort of thing is frowned upon by the courts per the Clatyon act.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6538 [linuxjournal.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28143699</id>
	<title>Re:But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243590960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would assume so, amarok syncs with just about anything anyways, but palm has pretty decent linux support for all their phones, my palm centro sync's painlessly with my box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would assume so , amarok syncs with just about anything anyways , but palm has pretty decent linux support for all their phones , my palm centro sync 's painlessly with my box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would assume so, amarok syncs with just about anything anyways, but palm has pretty decent linux support for all their phones, my palm centro sync's painlessly with my box.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140589</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this a big deal?</title>
	<author>0xdeadbeef</author>
	<datestamp>1243620900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those are legacy devices, pre-dating the iPod, from the time when iTunes was just a music management application (originally called SoundJam MP) and not the lynchpin of Apple's vertical monopoly entertainment strategy.</p><p>None of those devices are supported on iTunes for Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are legacy devices , pre-dating the iPod , from the time when iTunes was just a music management application ( originally called SoundJam MP ) and not the lynchpin of Apple 's vertical monopoly entertainment strategy.None of those devices are supported on iTunes for Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are legacy devices, pre-dating the iPod, from the time when iTunes was just a music management application (originally called SoundJam MP) and not the lynchpin of Apple's vertical monopoly entertainment strategy.None of those devices are supported on iTunes for Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28144919</id>
	<title>These players are current,...</title>
	<author>walter\_f</author>
	<datestamp>1243597020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... aren't they? Not really.</p><p>In fact, these - non-iPod - devices seem to have been out of production for nearly a decade now.</p><p>I seem to recall that some of the mentioned players were current (and indeed, supported by iTunes 1.2 or so) in the days of Mac OS 9, circa 1999 or 2000, like the Nomad series by Creative and the Rio series by sonicBlue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... are n't they ?
Not really.In fact , these - non-iPod - devices seem to have been out of production for nearly a decade now.I seem to recall that some of the mentioned players were current ( and indeed , supported by iTunes 1.2 or so ) in the days of Mac OS 9 , circa 1999 or 2000 , like the Nomad series by Creative and the Rio series by sonicBlue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... aren't they?
Not really.In fact, these - non-iPod - devices seem to have been out of production for nearly a decade now.I seem to recall that some of the mentioned players were current (and indeed, supported by iTunes 1.2 or so) in the days of Mac OS 9, circa 1999 or 2000, like the Nomad series by Creative and the Rio series by sonicBlue.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141059</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243623180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hardware manufacturers can write a driver so their junk interface with iTunes.  Nomads and RIOs work with iTunes.
</p><p>
Palm Pre syncs with iTunes?  Big deal.  The real story (or "fuck you") is that they're using webkit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardware manufacturers can write a driver so their junk interface with iTunes .
Nomads and RIOs work with iTunes .
Palm Pre syncs with iTunes ?
Big deal .
The real story ( or " fuck you " ) is that they 're using webkit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardware manufacturers can write a driver so their junk interface with iTunes.
Nomads and RIOs work with iTunes.
Palm Pre syncs with iTunes?
Big deal.
The real story (or "fuck you") is that they're using webkit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141967</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1243626840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Honestly, who bases a whole product line on a "faking out" feature.</p></div><p>
Tengen, Camerica, and Color Dreams did so at some point in the Nintendo Entertainment System's life cycle. The NES had a CIC (security chip) such that only Game Paks manufactured by Nintendo with a matching CIC could run. Unlicensed games would emulate (Tengen) or freeze (Camerica/Color Dreams) the CIC to get the game started. Their unlicensed status was due to cost concerns (Nintendo charged roughly 20 percent of MSRP for each CIC) or censorship concerns (Color Dreams's Wisdom Tree label wanted to sell games with overt Christian themes, but Nintendo didn't want any part of this). Datel and a bunch of other companies making cheat or homebrew devices did the same on later consoles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , who bases a whole product line on a " faking out " feature .
Tengen , Camerica , and Color Dreams did so at some point in the Nintendo Entertainment System 's life cycle .
The NES had a CIC ( security chip ) such that only Game Paks manufactured by Nintendo with a matching CIC could run .
Unlicensed games would emulate ( Tengen ) or freeze ( Camerica/Color Dreams ) the CIC to get the game started .
Their unlicensed status was due to cost concerns ( Nintendo charged roughly 20 percent of MSRP for each CIC ) or censorship concerns ( Color Dreams 's Wisdom Tree label wanted to sell games with overt Christian themes , but Nintendo did n't want any part of this ) .
Datel and a bunch of other companies making cheat or homebrew devices did the same on later consoles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, who bases a whole product line on a "faking out" feature.
Tengen, Camerica, and Color Dreams did so at some point in the Nintendo Entertainment System's life cycle.
The NES had a CIC (security chip) such that only Game Paks manufactured by Nintendo with a matching CIC could run.
Unlicensed games would emulate (Tengen) or freeze (Camerica/Color Dreams) the CIC to get the game started.
Their unlicensed status was due to cost concerns (Nintendo charged roughly 20 percent of MSRP for each CIC) or censorship concerns (Color Dreams's Wisdom Tree label wanted to sell games with overt Christian themes, but Nintendo didn't want any part of this).
Datel and a bunch of other companies making cheat or homebrew devices did the same on later consoles.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140631</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this a big deal?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1243621200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not a huge deal, considering Apple doesn't sell AAC Protected songs anymore.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a huge deal , considering Apple does n't sell AAC Protected songs anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a huge deal, considering Apple doesn't sell AAC Protected songs anymore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28150941</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>socsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1243711860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am sick and tired of explaining to my friends and family how to burn a DRM'd song from their computer to a CD and then rip that CD to an MP3 and then put that MP3 on their player of choice.</p></div><p>Then why don't you explain to them <b>a single time</b> about not supporting the broken marketplace and instead buying DRM-free music to begin with?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sick and tired of explaining to my friends and family how to burn a DRM 'd song from their computer to a CD and then rip that CD to an MP3 and then put that MP3 on their player of choice.Then why do n't you explain to them a single time about not supporting the broken marketplace and instead buying DRM-free music to begin with ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sick and tired of explaining to my friends and family how to burn a DRM'd song from their computer to a CD and then rip that CD to an MP3 and then put that MP3 on their player of choice.Then why don't you explain to them a single time about not supporting the broken marketplace and instead buying DRM-free music to begin with?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141451</id>
	<title>Re:Why go the legal route?</title>
	<author>StreetStealth</author>
	<datestamp>1243624740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When I sync my Pre, it will know it's a Pre.</p></div></blockquote><p>No, it won't. Think about it for a moment and you'll realize why.</p><p>iTunes knows which version or revision of iPod is connected because Apple has prepared iTunes to recognize each one -- first-party software recognizes first-party hardware. The icons are all stored inside the iTunes binary, and it's only relying on an identifier from a list of possible iPods it knows of (thus the software update after each iPod release).</p><p>Most likely, the Pre is presenting itself to iTunes as a 4th gen iPod, something that iTunes has to support and for which there is a lot of reverse-engineering work already out in in the hackersphere.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I sync my Pre , it will know it 's a Pre.No , it wo n't .
Think about it for a moment and you 'll realize why.iTunes knows which version or revision of iPod is connected because Apple has prepared iTunes to recognize each one -- first-party software recognizes first-party hardware .
The icons are all stored inside the iTunes binary , and it 's only relying on an identifier from a list of possible iPods it knows of ( thus the software update after each iPod release ) .Most likely , the Pre is presenting itself to iTunes as a 4th gen iPod , something that iTunes has to support and for which there is a lot of reverse-engineering work already out in in the hackersphere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I sync my Pre, it will know it's a Pre.No, it won't.
Think about it for a moment and you'll realize why.iTunes knows which version or revision of iPod is connected because Apple has prepared iTunes to recognize each one -- first-party software recognizes first-party hardware.
The icons are all stored inside the iTunes binary, and it's only relying on an identifier from a list of possible iPods it knows of (thus the software update after each iPod release).Most likely, the Pre is presenting itself to iTunes as a 4th gen iPod, something that iTunes has to support and for which there is a lot of reverse-engineering work already out in in the hackersphere.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140443</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>AnalPerfume</author>
	<datestamp>1243620180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder too if Apple have some patents tucked away under a sofa somewhere they could bring out to demand hefty fees for permission to sync with their stuff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder too if Apple have some patents tucked away under a sofa somewhere they could bring out to demand hefty fees for permission to sync with their stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder too if Apple have some patents tucked away under a sofa somewhere they could bring out to demand hefty fees for permission to sync with their stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141243</id>
	<title>Thanks to a team of ex-Apple engineers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243623900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and soon to be ex-Palm engineers.</p><p>Palm exec: I thank you for all your effort in giving us the inside scoop on how Apple work.  No I will have to fire you because you have shown yourself to not be a trust full person and we have no confidence that you will honor our NDA, as you have shown not to honor your previous employer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and soon to be ex-Palm engineers.Palm exec : I thank you for all your effort in giving us the inside scoop on how Apple work .
No I will have to fire you because you have shown yourself to not be a trust full person and we have no confidence that you will honor our NDA , as you have shown not to honor your previous employer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and soon to be ex-Palm engineers.Palm exec: I thank you for all your effort in giving us the inside scoop on how Apple work.
No I will have to fire you because you have shown yourself to not be a trust full person and we have no confidence that you will honor our NDA, as you have shown not to honor your previous employer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141033</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>0xdeadbeef</author>
	<datestamp>1243623000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How is Apple a monopoly, if we understand the term monopoly to mean something other than "a company you don't like/does things that displease you?"</i></p><p>Wait, like Microsoft?</p><p>It isn't the market share that makes a monopoly, it is what they do with it. Apple's negotiating power with the members of the RIAA cartel is very close to that, only we don't mind so much because Apple is actually the lesser evil.</p><p>But Apple does use its market share with music players to create lock-in in the markets of computers and mobile phones. How is that different than what Microsoft did/does?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is Apple a monopoly , if we understand the term monopoly to mean something other than " a company you do n't like/does things that displease you ?
" Wait , like Microsoft ? It is n't the market share that makes a monopoly , it is what they do with it .
Apple 's negotiating power with the members of the RIAA cartel is very close to that , only we do n't mind so much because Apple is actually the lesser evil.But Apple does use its market share with music players to create lock-in in the markets of computers and mobile phones .
How is that different than what Microsoft did/does ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is Apple a monopoly, if we understand the term monopoly to mean something other than "a company you don't like/does things that displease you?
"Wait, like Microsoft?It isn't the market share that makes a monopoly, it is what they do with it.
Apple's negotiating power with the members of the RIAA cartel is very close to that, only we don't mind so much because Apple is actually the lesser evil.But Apple does use its market share with music players to create lock-in in the markets of computers and mobile phones.
How is that different than what Microsoft did/does?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140739</id>
	<title>PALM PRE OMG</title>
	<author>bonch</author>
	<datestamp>1243621860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm so damn tired of reading about the Palm Pre.  It's everywhere, and it's annoying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm so damn tired of reading about the Palm Pre .
It 's everywhere , and it 's annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm so damn tired of reading about the Palm Pre.
It's everywhere, and it's annoying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28213155</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244145120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since you brought up the concept of it's definition, it would have been nice if you had any concept of what that definition was.</p><p>A monopoly does not mean you necessarily have 100\% domination of a market, only that your domination is enough to influence the market as a whole.</p><p>Apple has significant control of two markets.  The digital download market, and the personal music player market.</p><p>Apple apparently controls 80\% or more of the legal download market, and it uses that power to discourage consumers from buying any players other than Apple branded devices.  Why buy a device that does not work synch with iTunes without a hack?  (sorry, a list of 20 comapatible devices does not impress me).</p><p>Apple currently has about 86\% of the personal player market, down from over 90\% a few years ago.  By refusing to support DRM formats other than their own, and by refusing to license FairPlay openly, they forced every other wannabe music store to go with DRM free the MP3 format.  That let apple keep their proprietary format lock-in for a while denying every other store the privilege.  If that is not influencing the market as a whole, what is?</p><p>That was a backfire on their part.  Apple did not ever want to offer DRM free music.  There were independent bands that begged Apple to sell their music DRM free, and Apple refused.  Apple just never counted on the music publishers allowing DRM music to be sold on the Internet.  If you don't belive that and you'd raher take the word of Steve Jobs when he claimed they wanted to open the formats, I would remind you of the early days when they shoved out the BS lines about not licensing FairPlay for security reasons, and then in the next breath they would tell people to Burn-Rip-Play to get around their own DRM format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since you brought up the concept of it 's definition , it would have been nice if you had any concept of what that definition was.A monopoly does not mean you necessarily have 100 \ % domination of a market , only that your domination is enough to influence the market as a whole.Apple has significant control of two markets .
The digital download market , and the personal music player market.Apple apparently controls 80 \ % or more of the legal download market , and it uses that power to discourage consumers from buying any players other than Apple branded devices .
Why buy a device that does not work synch with iTunes without a hack ?
( sorry , a list of 20 comapatible devices does not impress me ) .Apple currently has about 86 \ % of the personal player market , down from over 90 \ % a few years ago .
By refusing to support DRM formats other than their own , and by refusing to license FairPlay openly , they forced every other wannabe music store to go with DRM free the MP3 format .
That let apple keep their proprietary format lock-in for a while denying every other store the privilege .
If that is not influencing the market as a whole , what is ? That was a backfire on their part .
Apple did not ever want to offer DRM free music .
There were independent bands that begged Apple to sell their music DRM free , and Apple refused .
Apple just never counted on the music publishers allowing DRM music to be sold on the Internet .
If you do n't belive that and you 'd raher take the word of Steve Jobs when he claimed they wanted to open the formats , I would remind you of the early days when they shoved out the BS lines about not licensing FairPlay for security reasons , and then in the next breath they would tell people to Burn-Rip-Play to get around their own DRM format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since you brought up the concept of it's definition, it would have been nice if you had any concept of what that definition was.A monopoly does not mean you necessarily have 100\% domination of a market, only that your domination is enough to influence the market as a whole.Apple has significant control of two markets.
The digital download market, and the personal music player market.Apple apparently controls 80\% or more of the legal download market, and it uses that power to discourage consumers from buying any players other than Apple branded devices.
Why buy a device that does not work synch with iTunes without a hack?
(sorry, a list of 20 comapatible devices does not impress me).Apple currently has about 86\% of the personal player market, down from over 90\% a few years ago.
By refusing to support DRM formats other than their own, and by refusing to license FairPlay openly, they forced every other wannabe music store to go with DRM free the MP3 format.
That let apple keep their proprietary format lock-in for a while denying every other store the privilege.
If that is not influencing the market as a whole, what is?That was a backfire on their part.
Apple did not ever want to offer DRM free music.
There were independent bands that begged Apple to sell their music DRM free, and Apple refused.
Apple just never counted on the music publishers allowing DRM music to be sold on the Internet.
If you don't belive that and you'd raher take the word of Steve Jobs when he claimed they wanted to open the formats, I would remind you of the early days when they shoved out the BS lines about not licensing FairPlay for security reasons, and then in the next breath they would tell people to Burn-Rip-Play to get around their own DRM format.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140397</id>
	<title>Option 2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243620000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or Apple could realize that the iTunes store is BIG money and AT&amp;T does not cover the whole US with their network and let Palm sync music. Music people paid Apple to download. Apple has other issues to tackle rather than worrying about a marginalized company like Palm giving it free advertising while encouraging people to buy even more music from Apple. Heck, Apple might even lend an engineer to Palm so that there is less faking and more playing on Apple's terms. It has happened before. Probably be some lawyer rattling for Wall St. but so long as Apple is keeping its head low to avoid anti-trust lawsuits and Palm doesn't look like they are going to become a major player, Apple might just let let this one slide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or Apple could realize that the iTunes store is BIG money and AT&amp;T does not cover the whole US with their network and let Palm sync music .
Music people paid Apple to download .
Apple has other issues to tackle rather than worrying about a marginalized company like Palm giving it free advertising while encouraging people to buy even more music from Apple .
Heck , Apple might even lend an engineer to Palm so that there is less faking and more playing on Apple 's terms .
It has happened before .
Probably be some lawyer rattling for Wall St. but so long as Apple is keeping its head low to avoid anti-trust lawsuits and Palm does n't look like they are going to become a major player , Apple might just let let this one slide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or Apple could realize that the iTunes store is BIG money and AT&amp;T does not cover the whole US with their network and let Palm sync music.
Music people paid Apple to download.
Apple has other issues to tackle rather than worrying about a marginalized company like Palm giving it free advertising while encouraging people to buy even more music from Apple.
Heck, Apple might even lend an engineer to Palm so that there is less faking and more playing on Apple's terms.
It has happened before.
Probably be some lawyer rattling for Wall St. but so long as Apple is keeping its head low to avoid anti-trust lawsuits and Palm doesn't look like they are going to become a major player, Apple might just let let this one slide.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140573</id>
	<title>Speculation</title>
	<author>jav1231</author>
	<datestamp>1243620840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pure speculation here but what if during that whole patent debate that Palm and Apple had regarding touch technology Apple conceded to let the Pre sync? Just a thought.<br> <br>

I mean I'm sure Apple told Palm, "Hey, you can't use multi-touch or anything like it."<br> So Palm said, "Oh yeah? Browse our portfolio. We've highlighted a number of patents the iPod, Touch, and iPhone clearly violate." <br>Apple: "Cross License?" <br>Palm: "Sure! Oh, and we want to sync to iTunes."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pure speculation here but what if during that whole patent debate that Palm and Apple had regarding touch technology Apple conceded to let the Pre sync ?
Just a thought .
I mean I 'm sure Apple told Palm , " Hey , you ca n't use multi-touch or anything like it .
" So Palm said , " Oh yeah ?
Browse our portfolio .
We 've highlighted a number of patents the iPod , Touch , and iPhone clearly violate .
" Apple : " Cross License ?
" Palm : " Sure !
Oh , and we want to sync to iTunes .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pure speculation here but what if during that whole patent debate that Palm and Apple had regarding touch technology Apple conceded to let the Pre sync?
Just a thought.
I mean I'm sure Apple told Palm, "Hey, you can't use multi-touch or anything like it.
" So Palm said, "Oh yeah?
Browse our portfolio.
We've highlighted a number of patents the iPod, Touch, and iPhone clearly violate.
" Apple: "Cross License?
" Palm: "Sure!
Oh, and we want to sync to iTunes.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140505</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this a big deal?</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1243620420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How old is that list?  Those products are <i>ancient</i>.  SONICBlue went bankrupt in <b>2003</b>!</p><p>Also, IIRC, the 3rd-party players could only sync with the Mac version of iTunes.  I wouldn't be surprised if the support has been removed entirely, given that I sincerely doubt people are still using those players (some of which hold as little as 32MB!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How old is that list ?
Those products are ancient .
SONICBlue went bankrupt in 2003 ! Also , IIRC , the 3rd-party players could only sync with the Mac version of iTunes .
I would n't be surprised if the support has been removed entirely , given that I sincerely doubt people are still using those players ( some of which hold as little as 32MB !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How old is that list?
Those products are ancient.
SONICBlue went bankrupt in 2003!Also, IIRC, the 3rd-party players could only sync with the Mac version of iTunes.
I wouldn't be surprised if the support has been removed entirely, given that I sincerely doubt people are still using those players (some of which hold as little as 32MB!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141299</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1243624140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Such a letter would be the stupidest move Apple has made in a long time.</p></div></blockquote><p>I bet if we asked Slashdot readers, they could come up with a few other ones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Such a letter would be the stupidest move Apple has made in a long time.I bet if we asked Slashdot readers , they could come up with a few other ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such a letter would be the stupidest move Apple has made in a long time.I bet if we asked Slashdot readers, they could come up with a few other ones.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140951</id>
	<title>Automagic should be voted worst word of the year</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243622760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously its not like Merlin waits around your computer and waves a wand to make it work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously its not like Merlin waits around your computer and waves a wand to make it work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously its not like Merlin waits around your computer and waves a wand to make it work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140757</id>
	<title>Re:So...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243621920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple can't just publish an update that makes Pre stop working.  If Pre is pretending to be an iPod, then all iPods would also stop working.</p><p>The only hope is to find something that Pre does slightly differently than a real iPod and try to base a block on that.  But blocking things in that way only lasts a short time until Palm would update the Pre.</p><p>Furthermore, the block could prevent other MP3 players that iTunes already supports from working properly (Apple officially supports players other than iPods).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple ca n't just publish an update that makes Pre stop working .
If Pre is pretending to be an iPod , then all iPods would also stop working.The only hope is to find something that Pre does slightly differently than a real iPod and try to base a block on that .
But blocking things in that way only lasts a short time until Palm would update the Pre.Furthermore , the block could prevent other MP3 players that iTunes already supports from working properly ( Apple officially supports players other than iPods ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple can't just publish an update that makes Pre stop working.
If Pre is pretending to be an iPod, then all iPods would also stop working.The only hope is to find something that Pre does slightly differently than a real iPod and try to base a block on that.
But blocking things in that way only lasts a short time until Palm would update the Pre.Furthermore, the block could prevent other MP3 players that iTunes already supports from working properly (Apple officially supports players other than iPods).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28144053</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this story displayed red?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243592280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>and that's because iphone fanbois were still pondering over a possible comeback.
<br> <br>
itunes... meh...</htmltext>
<tokenext>and that 's because iphone fanbois were still pondering over a possible comeback .
itunes... meh.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and that's because iphone fanbois were still pondering over a possible comeback.
itunes... meh...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140465</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>Reality Master 201</author>
	<datestamp>1243620240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> I already view them as monopolistic bastards with their iTunes website &amp; iTunes application &amp; iTunes DRM &amp; iPod/iPhone lock-in scheme.</p></div></blockquote><p>I guess you're entitled to view them as monopolists, but that doesn't mean that view accords with real world legal definitions.  There are other sources for digital content online, and there are other players - Apple has a big chunk of the market, but by no means do they have total control - facts you note at the end of your post.  Also, let's not forget that a big chunk of the pricing of content is driven by the deals the content providers are willing to cut with Apple - remember the recent change to a tiered pricing scheme from the $.99 for all music.</p><p>How is Apple a monopoly, if we understand the term monopoly to mean something other than  "a company you don't like/does things that displease you?"</p></div>
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<tokenext>I already view them as monopolistic bastards with their iTunes website &amp; iTunes application &amp; iTunes DRM &amp; iPod/iPhone lock-in scheme.I guess you 're entitled to view them as monopolists , but that does n't mean that view accords with real world legal definitions .
There are other sources for digital content online , and there are other players - Apple has a big chunk of the market , but by no means do they have total control - facts you note at the end of your post .
Also , let 's not forget that a big chunk of the pricing of content is driven by the deals the content providers are willing to cut with Apple - remember the recent change to a tiered pricing scheme from the $ .99 for all music.How is Apple a monopoly , if we understand the term monopoly to mean something other than " a company you do n't like/does things that displease you ?
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<sentencetext> I already view them as monopolistic bastards with their iTunes website &amp; iTunes application &amp; iTunes DRM &amp; iPod/iPhone lock-in scheme.I guess you're entitled to view them as monopolists, but that doesn't mean that view accords with real world legal definitions.
There are other sources for digital content online, and there are other players - Apple has a big chunk of the market, but by no means do they have total control - facts you note at the end of your post.
Also, let's not forget that a big chunk of the pricing of content is driven by the deals the content providers are willing to cut with Apple - remember the recent change to a tiered pricing scheme from the $.99 for all music.How is Apple a monopoly, if we understand the term monopoly to mean something other than  "a company you don't like/does things that displease you?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140255</id>
	<title>Palm?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243619220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They still exist?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They still exist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They still exist?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141427</id>
	<title>Re:But...</title>
	<author>MikeBabcock</author>
	<datestamp>1243624620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amarok 1.4 works with every other MP3 player I've tried it with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so I don't see why not.</p><p>I'd much rather use Amarok than iTunes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amarok 1.4 works with every other MP3 player I 've tried it with ... so I do n't see why not.I 'd much rather use Amarok than iTunes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amarok 1.4 works with every other MP3 player I've tried it with ... so I don't see why not.I'd much rather use Amarok than iTunes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28148993</id>
	<title>Re:But...</title>
	<author>dave420</author>
	<datestamp>1243694700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd rather use a media player that doesn't look like some sort of widget explosion on my screen<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather use a media player that does n't look like some sort of widget explosion on my screen : -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather use a media player that doesn't look like some sort of widget explosion on my screen :-P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140441</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243620180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Palm or its user community will probably publish its own update to circumvent Apple's lock out. The older Palm OS community was pretty hard core in getting OS 5 working incredibly well. I see no reason for them (with due time) be able to work WebOS as they did OS 5.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Palm or its user community will probably publish its own update to circumvent Apple 's lock out .
The older Palm OS community was pretty hard core in getting OS 5 working incredibly well .
I see no reason for them ( with due time ) be able to work WebOS as they did OS 5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Palm or its user community will probably publish its own update to circumvent Apple's lock out.
The older Palm OS community was pretty hard core in getting OS 5 working incredibly well.
I see no reason for them (with due time) be able to work WebOS as they did OS 5.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140931</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>ifrag</author>
	<datestamp>1243622640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>WTF are consumers going to do when Apple pushes an update that breaks this (intentionally, or not) and all of a sudden this marvelous sync stops working?</p></div></blockquote><p>
I'm sure that will go over well, since that's equivalent to also killing legacy iPod support along with it.  If Palm did their job right then the thing will not be distinguishable from a real iPod.  If their implementation is good enough Apple's only recourse is going to be legal, not technical.</p></div>
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<tokenext>WTF are consumers going to do when Apple pushes an update that breaks this ( intentionally , or not ) and all of a sudden this marvelous sync stops working ?
I 'm sure that will go over well , since that 's equivalent to also killing legacy iPod support along with it .
If Palm did their job right then the thing will not be distinguishable from a real iPod .
If their implementation is good enough Apple 's only recourse is going to be legal , not technical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF are consumers going to do when Apple pushes an update that breaks this (intentionally, or not) and all of a sudden this marvelous sync stops working?
I'm sure that will go over well, since that's equivalent to also killing legacy iPod support along with it.
If Palm did their job right then the thing will not be distinguishable from a real iPod.
If their implementation is good enough Apple's only recourse is going to be legal, not technical.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140419</id>
	<title>Best news all day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243620120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well this knocks off one of the major reasons I was hesitating on getting the Pre.

And lets not just assume Apple will sue.  As others have pointed out, Apple does allow other players.

But will movies and TV shows work? (no they are drm protected).  Guess I'll have to rely on the Sling app for the Pre, or hopefully a hulu solution.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well this knocks off one of the major reasons I was hesitating on getting the Pre .
And lets not just assume Apple will sue .
As others have pointed out , Apple does allow other players .
But will movies and TV shows work ?
( no they are drm protected ) .
Guess I 'll have to rely on the Sling app for the Pre , or hopefully a hulu solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well this knocks off one of the major reasons I was hesitating on getting the Pre.
And lets not just assume Apple will sue.
As others have pointed out, Apple does allow other players.
But will movies and TV shows work?
(no they are drm protected).
Guess I'll have to rely on the Sling app for the Pre, or hopefully a hulu solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140909</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1243622580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do believe it was said that there is on-device Amazon MP3 store support, like on the G1, too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do believe it was said that there is on-device Amazon MP3 store support , like on the G1 , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do believe it was said that there is on-device Amazon MP3 store support, like on the G1, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140849</id>
	<title>Why go the legal route?</title>
	<author>penguinstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1243622340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would Apple go the legal route?</p><p>Just block the damn device. When iSync my Gen 4 iPod iTunes knows it's a Gen 4 iPod. When I sync my shuffle, it knows it's a shuffle.</p><p>When I sync my Pre, it will know it's a Pre.</p><p>So just rev itunes to block it.</p><p>Or not, and just walk around acting like you're not scared. Frankly, I think the Pre is roughly the equivalent of pulling your goalie in the final minutes of your final playoff game when you're behind: a last ditch effort. Palm may well just die as a result, and maybe Apple should do nothing for a while and see what happens.</p><p>As an aside, I'm not sure why everybody thinks this is new. Diamond Rio players used to mount in iTunes and you could sync playlists. I have a Nike PSA Play sitting in a drawer that I bought in 1998 that did this. It stores...96MB of music thanks to the MMC expansion card I bought (not compatible with SD.) Woo hoo!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would Apple go the legal route ? Just block the damn device .
When iSync my Gen 4 iPod iTunes knows it 's a Gen 4 iPod .
When I sync my shuffle , it knows it 's a shuffle.When I sync my Pre , it will know it 's a Pre.So just rev itunes to block it.Or not , and just walk around acting like you 're not scared .
Frankly , I think the Pre is roughly the equivalent of pulling your goalie in the final minutes of your final playoff game when you 're behind : a last ditch effort .
Palm may well just die as a result , and maybe Apple should do nothing for a while and see what happens.As an aside , I 'm not sure why everybody thinks this is new .
Diamond Rio players used to mount in iTunes and you could sync playlists .
I have a Nike PSA Play sitting in a drawer that I bought in 1998 that did this .
It stores...96MB of music thanks to the MMC expansion card I bought ( not compatible with SD .
) Woo hoo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would Apple go the legal route?Just block the damn device.
When iSync my Gen 4 iPod iTunes knows it's a Gen 4 iPod.
When I sync my shuffle, it knows it's a shuffle.When I sync my Pre, it will know it's a Pre.So just rev itunes to block it.Or not, and just walk around acting like you're not scared.
Frankly, I think the Pre is roughly the equivalent of pulling your goalie in the final minutes of your final playoff game when you're behind: a last ditch effort.
Palm may well just die as a result, and maybe Apple should do nothing for a while and see what happens.As an aside, I'm not sure why everybody thinks this is new.
Diamond Rio players used to mount in iTunes and you could sync playlists.
I have a Nike PSA Play sitting in a drawer that I bought in 1998 that did this.
It stores...96MB of music thanks to the MMC expansion card I bought (not compatible with SD.
) Woo hoo!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140409</id>
	<title>So...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243620060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this really such a "big fat middle finger"?  It's cementing iTunes as the default player and iTMS as the default music store, and putting Palm in the position of trying to pick up some of Apple's leftovers.  Plus, if Apple doesn't like it, they can issue firmware updates and update iTunes, making everything connect some slightly different way, and suddenly Palm's stuff stops working.
</p><p>If Palm really wanted to make trouble for Apple, they'd make their own alternative to iTunes, which wouldn't take much work.  If they really didn't want to do it from scratch, I'm sure there are even some <a href="http://getsongbird.com/" title="getsongbird.com">open source projects</a> [getsongbird.com] that could be used as a jumping-off point.  And if they didn't want to make their own music store, they could probably strike a deal with Amazon.  Now that would be a problem for Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this really such a " big fat middle finger " ?
It 's cementing iTunes as the default player and iTMS as the default music store , and putting Palm in the position of trying to pick up some of Apple 's leftovers .
Plus , if Apple does n't like it , they can issue firmware updates and update iTunes , making everything connect some slightly different way , and suddenly Palm 's stuff stops working .
If Palm really wanted to make trouble for Apple , they 'd make their own alternative to iTunes , which would n't take much work .
If they really did n't want to do it from scratch , I 'm sure there are even some open source projects [ getsongbird.com ] that could be used as a jumping-off point .
And if they did n't want to make their own music store , they could probably strike a deal with Amazon .
Now that would be a problem for Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this really such a "big fat middle finger"?
It's cementing iTunes as the default player and iTMS as the default music store, and putting Palm in the position of trying to pick up some of Apple's leftovers.
Plus, if Apple doesn't like it, they can issue firmware updates and update iTunes, making everything connect some slightly different way, and suddenly Palm's stuff stops working.
If Palm really wanted to make trouble for Apple, they'd make their own alternative to iTunes, which wouldn't take much work.
If they really didn't want to do it from scratch, I'm sure there are even some open source projects [getsongbird.com] that could be used as a jumping-off point.
And if they didn't want to make their own music store, they could probably strike a deal with Amazon.
Now that would be a problem for Apple.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140559</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>mea37</author>
	<datestamp>1243620780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh.  Lock-in across product lines is older than dirt.  Its practice doesn't make a company "monopolistic" (though its practice <i>by a monopoly</i> can sometimes be illegal, which may be why you associate the two things).</p><p>Anyway, you appear to be wishing for legal action based on how much you like each company's actions rather than on any legal facts; which means you're also not looking at an accurate picture of the costs and outcomes if legal action does occur.</p><p>I won't speculate on the issues that would matter in a court case (such as whether any trade secrets were utilized by the ex-Apple engineers that allegedly made this work), but I will say that without knowing the details of those issues, I wouldn't be begging anyone to start casting legal stones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh .
Lock-in across product lines is older than dirt .
Its practice does n't make a company " monopolistic " ( though its practice by a monopoly can sometimes be illegal , which may be why you associate the two things ) .Anyway , you appear to be wishing for legal action based on how much you like each company 's actions rather than on any legal facts ; which means you 're also not looking at an accurate picture of the costs and outcomes if legal action does occur.I wo n't speculate on the issues that would matter in a court case ( such as whether any trade secrets were utilized by the ex-Apple engineers that allegedly made this work ) , but I will say that without knowing the details of those issues , I would n't be begging anyone to start casting legal stones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh.
Lock-in across product lines is older than dirt.
Its practice doesn't make a company "monopolistic" (though its practice by a monopoly can sometimes be illegal, which may be why you associate the two things).Anyway, you appear to be wishing for legal action based on how much you like each company's actions rather than on any legal facts; which means you're also not looking at an accurate picture of the costs and outcomes if legal action does occur.I won't speculate on the issues that would matter in a court case (such as whether any trade secrets were utilized by the ex-Apple engineers that allegedly made this work), but I will say that without knowing the details of those issues, I wouldn't be begging anyone to start casting legal stones.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28212373</id>
	<title>Re:iTunes Has Always Supported Other Players</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244141820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called emulation.</p><p>My Brother printer can emulate various IBM, HP, and epson printers, even going so far as driver compatibility.  So what's the problem?</p><p>Oh right, Steve Jobs hasn't personally blessed the Pre.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called emulation.My Brother printer can emulate various IBM , HP , and epson printers , even going so far as driver compatibility .
So what 's the problem ? Oh right , Steve Jobs has n't personally blessed the Pre .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called emulation.My Brother printer can emulate various IBM, HP, and epson printers, even going so far as driver compatibility.
So what's the problem?Oh right, Steve Jobs hasn't personally blessed the Pre.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140561</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243620780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Honestly, who bases a whole product line on a "faking out" feature.</p></div></blockquote><p>Your question seems to be missing its mark, both literally and figuratively. No one, except some knockoffs possibly, bases a product line on "fake out". It's not like Palm is billing the Pre as <b>The Palm iPod</b>, what they're doing is selling a phone with an incredibly interesting looking new OS that features some of the most open software development seen to date on a smartphone. Oh, and by the way, you can get your music on there if you've got some of those EmPeeThree tracks in your iTunes.</p><p>It's in Palms interest to push the bar in terms of what is expected of non-Apple smartphones. Apple has performed so well that they they have arguably dictated the feature set customers now expect in a smartphone, and one of those features is having your music on the device. Beyond that, Apple has also been wildly successful in the digital music business to the tune of maintaining over "70 percent market share of legal music downloads" (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes\_Store#Market\_share\_and\_milestones" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">ITunes Store</a> [wikipedia.org]).</p><p>We're in a situation where one company is in control of both the music you get and the device you want to listen to it on. Why wouldn't Palm make a ballsy move like this and try to force their competitor into an anti-competitive position. As was described elsewhere, this is win-win for them. Either they get iTunes integration or they hurt Apple's mindshare by forcing them into a bad position.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Honestly , who bases a whole product line on a " faking out " feature.Your question seems to be missing its mark , both literally and figuratively .
No one , except some knockoffs possibly , bases a product line on " fake out " .
It 's not like Palm is billing the Pre as The Palm iPod , what they 're doing is selling a phone with an incredibly interesting looking new OS that features some of the most open software development seen to date on a smartphone .
Oh , and by the way , you can get your music on there if you 've got some of those EmPeeThree tracks in your iTunes.It 's in Palms interest to push the bar in terms of what is expected of non-Apple smartphones .
Apple has performed so well that they they have arguably dictated the feature set customers now expect in a smartphone , and one of those features is having your music on the device .
Beyond that , Apple has also been wildly successful in the digital music business to the tune of maintaining over " 70 percent market share of legal music downloads " ( ITunes Store [ wikipedia.org ] ) .We 're in a situation where one company is in control of both the music you get and the device you want to listen to it on .
Why would n't Palm make a ballsy move like this and try to force their competitor into an anti-competitive position .
As was described elsewhere , this is win-win for them .
Either they get iTunes integration or they hurt Apple 's mindshare by forcing them into a bad position .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, who bases a whole product line on a "faking out" feature.Your question seems to be missing its mark, both literally and figuratively.
No one, except some knockoffs possibly, bases a product line on "fake out".
It's not like Palm is billing the Pre as The Palm iPod, what they're doing is selling a phone with an incredibly interesting looking new OS that features some of the most open software development seen to date on a smartphone.
Oh, and by the way, you can get your music on there if you've got some of those EmPeeThree tracks in your iTunes.It's in Palms interest to push the bar in terms of what is expected of non-Apple smartphones.
Apple has performed so well that they they have arguably dictated the feature set customers now expect in a smartphone, and one of those features is having your music on the device.
Beyond that, Apple has also been wildly successful in the digital music business to the tune of maintaining over "70 percent market share of legal music downloads" (ITunes Store [wikipedia.org]).We're in a situation where one company is in control of both the music you get and the device you want to listen to it on.
Why wouldn't Palm make a ballsy move like this and try to force their competitor into an anti-competitive position.
As was described elsewhere, this is win-win for them.
Either they get iTunes integration or they hurt Apple's mindshare by forcing them into a bad position.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140305</id>
	<title>I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243619520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, who bases a whole product line on a "faking out" feature.<br>I'm no fan of DRM, and wish iTunes was more open to other devices, but to publish a whole iPhone "killer" on a kludge is just asking for trouble.</p><p>WTF are consumers going to do when Apple pushes an update that breaks this (intentionally, or not) and all of a sudden this marvelous sync stops working?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , who bases a whole product line on a " faking out " feature.I 'm no fan of DRM , and wish iTunes was more open to other devices , but to publish a whole iPhone " killer " on a kludge is just asking for trouble.WTF are consumers going to do when Apple pushes an update that breaks this ( intentionally , or not ) and all of a sudden this marvelous sync stops working ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, who bases a whole product line on a "faking out" feature.I'm no fan of DRM, and wish iTunes was more open to other devices, but to publish a whole iPhone "killer" on a kludge is just asking for trouble.WTF are consumers going to do when Apple pushes an update that breaks this (intentionally, or not) and all of a sudden this marvelous sync stops working?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140277</id>
	<title>Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1243619340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Plug the Pre into a PC and you're offered the option of using the device as a USB drive, charging it or beginning a "media sync." Interesting, using media sync the Pre does indeed sync with iTunes, though it's hamstrung by Apple's DRM protected songs. Can't imagine Apple's too happy about that. <b>Presumably, Apple legal is already drafting a letter.</b> Pre appears to make iTunes think it's an iPod.<br> <br>How is Apple going to feel about that, asks Walt. Rubinstein dodges a bit noting that there are a variety of ways of getting music out of iTunes. Walt pushes back pointing out that this is the first non-Apple device that is recognized as an Apple device by a Mac. Rubinstein dodges again. Seems he's pretty obviously using his Apple knowledge here. McNamee jumps in. Apple is "practically a monopolist," he says, adding that people should be able to use music that they purchase in what ever way they see fit.</p></div><p>Such a letter would be the stupidest move Apple has made in a long time.  I already view them as monopolistic bastards with their iTunes website &amp; iTunes application &amp; iTunes DRM &amp; iPod/iPhone lock-in scheme.  I am sick and tired of explaining to my friends and family how to burn a DRM'd song from their computer to a CD and then rip that CD to an MP3 and then put that MP3 on their player of choice.  <br> <br>

I am begging Palm to sue the hell out of Apple if Apple comes after them.  Palm should sue Apple to release an API to interface with iTunes music store and utilize iTunes DRM (I'm not against DRM if the artist wants it just so long as anyone can use it in their applications) and also an API for hardware manufacturers to plug into iTunes!  Am I the only person on earth that sees the necessity in this?  Am I the only person on earth that sees this as a <i>direct</i> affront to a free market system?!  How is this any different from Microsoft packaging IE with Windows?!  In my book it's worse since it transcends so many different industries--not just software!  <br> <br>

Apple's evilest move would be to just watch this happen and throw a wrench into the works every time they do an update to iTunes.  Let Palm spend hours trying to figure it out so the Pre still interfaces with it.  That way the consumers will experience bumps, be more prone to buying iPhones <i>and</i> if anyone sues them for monopolistic practices they can throw their hands up in defense and say, "What!?  The Pre works fine with iTunes!  I don't know why you can't figure it out!"  <br> <br>

I'm so sick of this whole mess that I personally buy CDs or Amazon MP3s, rip the CDs with CDex to a format of my choice and then move said songs to my MP3 player of choice.  Hell, I can play my music on my DVD player if I put it on the correct media.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plug the Pre into a PC and you 're offered the option of using the device as a USB drive , charging it or beginning a " media sync .
" Interesting , using media sync the Pre does indeed sync with iTunes , though it 's hamstrung by Apple 's DRM protected songs .
Ca n't imagine Apple 's too happy about that .
Presumably , Apple legal is already drafting a letter .
Pre appears to make iTunes think it 's an iPod .
How is Apple going to feel about that , asks Walt .
Rubinstein dodges a bit noting that there are a variety of ways of getting music out of iTunes .
Walt pushes back pointing out that this is the first non-Apple device that is recognized as an Apple device by a Mac .
Rubinstein dodges again .
Seems he 's pretty obviously using his Apple knowledge here .
McNamee jumps in .
Apple is " practically a monopolist , " he says , adding that people should be able to use music that they purchase in what ever way they see fit.Such a letter would be the stupidest move Apple has made in a long time .
I already view them as monopolistic bastards with their iTunes website &amp; iTunes application &amp; iTunes DRM &amp; iPod/iPhone lock-in scheme .
I am sick and tired of explaining to my friends and family how to burn a DRM 'd song from their computer to a CD and then rip that CD to an MP3 and then put that MP3 on their player of choice .
I am begging Palm to sue the hell out of Apple if Apple comes after them .
Palm should sue Apple to release an API to interface with iTunes music store and utilize iTunes DRM ( I 'm not against DRM if the artist wants it just so long as anyone can use it in their applications ) and also an API for hardware manufacturers to plug into iTunes !
Am I the only person on earth that sees the necessity in this ?
Am I the only person on earth that sees this as a direct affront to a free market system ? !
How is this any different from Microsoft packaging IE with Windows ? !
In my book it 's worse since it transcends so many different industries--not just software !
Apple 's evilest move would be to just watch this happen and throw a wrench into the works every time they do an update to iTunes .
Let Palm spend hours trying to figure it out so the Pre still interfaces with it .
That way the consumers will experience bumps , be more prone to buying iPhones and if anyone sues them for monopolistic practices they can throw their hands up in defense and say , " What ! ?
The Pre works fine with iTunes !
I do n't know why you ca n't figure it out !
" I 'm so sick of this whole mess that I personally buy CDs or Amazon MP3s , rip the CDs with CDex to a format of my choice and then move said songs to my MP3 player of choice .
Hell , I can play my music on my DVD player if I put it on the correct media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plug the Pre into a PC and you're offered the option of using the device as a USB drive, charging it or beginning a "media sync.
" Interesting, using media sync the Pre does indeed sync with iTunes, though it's hamstrung by Apple's DRM protected songs.
Can't imagine Apple's too happy about that.
Presumably, Apple legal is already drafting a letter.
Pre appears to make iTunes think it's an iPod.
How is Apple going to feel about that, asks Walt.
Rubinstein dodges a bit noting that there are a variety of ways of getting music out of iTunes.
Walt pushes back pointing out that this is the first non-Apple device that is recognized as an Apple device by a Mac.
Rubinstein dodges again.
Seems he's pretty obviously using his Apple knowledge here.
McNamee jumps in.
Apple is "practically a monopolist," he says, adding that people should be able to use music that they purchase in what ever way they see fit.Such a letter would be the stupidest move Apple has made in a long time.
I already view them as monopolistic bastards with their iTunes website &amp; iTunes application &amp; iTunes DRM &amp; iPod/iPhone lock-in scheme.
I am sick and tired of explaining to my friends and family how to burn a DRM'd song from their computer to a CD and then rip that CD to an MP3 and then put that MP3 on their player of choice.
I am begging Palm to sue the hell out of Apple if Apple comes after them.
Palm should sue Apple to release an API to interface with iTunes music store and utilize iTunes DRM (I'm not against DRM if the artist wants it just so long as anyone can use it in their applications) and also an API for hardware manufacturers to plug into iTunes!
Am I the only person on earth that sees the necessity in this?
Am I the only person on earth that sees this as a direct affront to a free market system?!
How is this any different from Microsoft packaging IE with Windows?!
In my book it's worse since it transcends so many different industries--not just software!
Apple's evilest move would be to just watch this happen and throw a wrench into the works every time they do an update to iTunes.
Let Palm spend hours trying to figure it out so the Pre still interfaces with it.
That way the consumers will experience bumps, be more prone to buying iPhones and if anyone sues them for monopolistic practices they can throw their hands up in defense and say, "What!?
The Pre works fine with iTunes!
I don't know why you can't figure it out!
"   

I'm so sick of this whole mess that I personally buy CDs or Amazon MP3s, rip the CDs with CDex to a format of my choice and then move said songs to my MP3 player of choice.
Hell, I can play my music on my DVD player if I put it on the correct media.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140673</id>
	<title>Re:I can see an iTunes update in your future.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243621440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can also do OTA updates (according to the Palm demo at All Things Digital that was liveblogged on Engadget).  So, if Apple does break it, they may be able to push an update before many people even realize there is a problem.  Well, at least based on my workflow.  I only sync my iPhone when I need to add new podcasts since I have everything push syncing OTA.  So, I usually only sync once per week.  With the Pre, contacts sync from the cloud, so daily syncing shouldn't be needed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They can also do OTA updates ( according to the Palm demo at All Things Digital that was liveblogged on Engadget ) .
So , if Apple does break it , they may be able to push an update before many people even realize there is a problem .
Well , at least based on my workflow .
I only sync my iPhone when I need to add new podcasts since I have everything push syncing OTA .
So , I usually only sync once per week .
With the Pre , contacts sync from the cloud , so daily syncing should n't be needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can also do OTA updates (according to the Palm demo at All Things Digital that was liveblogged on Engadget).
So, if Apple does break it, they may be able to push an update before many people even realize there is a problem.
Well, at least based on my workflow.
I only sync my iPhone when I need to add new podcasts since I have everything push syncing OTA.
So, I usually only sync once per week.
With the Pre, contacts sync from the cloud, so daily syncing shouldn't be needed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140427</id>
	<title>If history is a guide,Apple will easily break this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243620120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If experience with palm os on my trusty handspring is guide, Apple will be able to break this easily. Palm's USB driver was a total joke. The hotsync would regularly blue-screen windows in a multi-core or even hyperthreaded environment unless you forced affinity on the hotsync.exe. And they never fixed it. They couldn't even cope with seeing more than one core in a usb driver. One of the few apps I ever saw that could blue-screen windows.</p><p>And they only recently supplied drivers that worked under vista. And the still haven't released an x64 version.</p><p>Soured me on Palm forever. And proved their driver's dept sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If experience with palm os on my trusty handspring is guide , Apple will be able to break this easily .
Palm 's USB driver was a total joke .
The hotsync would regularly blue-screen windows in a multi-core or even hyperthreaded environment unless you forced affinity on the hotsync.exe .
And they never fixed it .
They could n't even cope with seeing more than one core in a usb driver .
One of the few apps I ever saw that could blue-screen windows.And they only recently supplied drivers that worked under vista .
And the still have n't released an x64 version.Soured me on Palm forever .
And proved their driver 's dept sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If experience with palm os on my trusty handspring is guide, Apple will be able to break this easily.
Palm's USB driver was a total joke.
The hotsync would regularly blue-screen windows in a multi-core or even hyperthreaded environment unless you forced affinity on the hotsync.exe.
And they never fixed it.
They couldn't even cope with seeing more than one core in a usb driver.
One of the few apps I ever saw that could blue-screen windows.And they only recently supplied drivers that worked under vista.
And the still haven't released an x64 version.Soured me on Palm forever.
And proved their driver's dept sucks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28145715</id>
	<title>Re:If history is a guide,Apple will easily break t</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243602600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I decided to never use Palm again once they decided to stop supporting the Treo 600 on OS X -- things eventually just stopped working as Apple updated their system and Palm didn't bother to keep up. Why risk buying a Pre when I think the support for the iPhone will be more reliable?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I decided to never use Palm again once they decided to stop supporting the Treo 600 on OS X -- things eventually just stopped working as Apple updated their system and Palm did n't bother to keep up .
Why risk buying a Pre when I think the support for the iPhone will be more reliable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I decided to never use Palm again once they decided to stop supporting the Treo 600 on OS X -- things eventually just stopped working as Apple updated their system and Palm didn't bother to keep up.
Why risk buying a Pre when I think the support for the iPhone will be more reliable?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141849</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this a big deal?</title>
	<author>AioKits</author>
	<datestamp>1243626360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What, no Zune support?  *duck!*</htmltext>
<tokenext>What , no Zune support ?
* duck ! *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, no Zune support?
*duck!*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140511</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this a big deal?</title>
	<author>yali</author>
	<datestamp>1243620480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From your link:</p><blockquote><div><p>only iPod can play AAC Protected songs</p></div></blockquote><p>That's the big deal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From your link : only iPod can play AAC Protected songsThat 's the big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From your link:only iPod can play AAC Protected songsThat's the big deal.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28142195</id>
	<title>Re:Option 2</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1243627800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
1) the iTunes store is not big money. Napster, Wal*Mart, Microsoft, Real, Sony, etc. are all struggling or gave up.  The RIAA/labels take 70\%.  iTMS eeks out a small profit, but it wouldn't exist if not for iPods.
</p><p>
2) Palm isn't syncing with iTunes because they can't write their own sync software (on second thought, their syncing software does suck).  They're syncing with iTunes because most people who might buy a pre already own an ipod or three.  The extra market share from palm pre owners is probably on par with the extra market share from a linux client.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) the iTunes store is not big money .
Napster , Wal * Mart , Microsoft , Real , Sony , etc .
are all struggling or gave up .
The RIAA/labels take 70 \ % .
iTMS eeks out a small profit , but it would n't exist if not for iPods .
2 ) Palm is n't syncing with iTunes because they ca n't write their own sync software ( on second thought , their syncing software does suck ) .
They 're syncing with iTunes because most people who might buy a pre already own an ipod or three .
The extra market share from palm pre owners is probably on par with the extra market share from a linux client .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
1) the iTunes store is not big money.
Napster, Wal*Mart, Microsoft, Real, Sony, etc.
are all struggling or gave up.
The RIAA/labels take 70\%.
iTMS eeks out a small profit, but it wouldn't exist if not for iPods.
2) Palm isn't syncing with iTunes because they can't write their own sync software (on second thought, their syncing software does suck).
They're syncing with iTunes because most people who might buy a pre already own an ipod or three.
The extra market share from palm pre owners is probably on par with the extra market share from a linux client.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140749</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this a big deal?</title>
	<author>Moridineas</author>
	<datestamp>1243621920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's the big deal.</p></div><p>Why is that a big deal? I don't think apple even SELLS protected aac songs anymore?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the big deal.Why is that a big deal ?
I do n't think apple even SELLS protected aac songs anymore ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the big deal.Why is that a big deal?
I don't think apple even SELLS protected aac songs anymore?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28142609</id>
	<title>Re:So...?</title>
	<author>homesnatch</author>
	<datestamp>1243629300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>iTunes update including iPod firmware update should do the trick.</htmltext>
<tokenext>iTunes update including iPod firmware update should do the trick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iTunes update including iPod firmware update should do the trick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140987</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this a big deal?</title>
	<author>InlawBiker</author>
	<datestamp>1243622880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was surprised to find that my Blackberry 8820 also syncs with iTunes.  In fact, if you want to sync music on your Blackberry it requires iTunes, via the Blackberry Desktop software.  I was also surprised to find that the Blackberry is a reasonably good media player.</p><p>I don't see why Apple would care too much if Palm did the same thing.  More users of iTunes means more potential music buyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was surprised to find that my Blackberry 8820 also syncs with iTunes .
In fact , if you want to sync music on your Blackberry it requires iTunes , via the Blackberry Desktop software .
I was also surprised to find that the Blackberry is a reasonably good media player.I do n't see why Apple would care too much if Palm did the same thing .
More users of iTunes means more potential music buyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was surprised to find that my Blackberry 8820 also syncs with iTunes.
In fact, if you want to sync music on your Blackberry it requires iTunes, via the Blackberry Desktop software.
I was also surprised to find that the Blackberry is a reasonably good media player.I don't see why Apple would care too much if Palm did the same thing.
More users of iTunes means more potential music buyers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140285</id>
	<title>Right.</title>
	<author>MachineShedFred</author>
	<datestamp>1243619400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure that Apple won't find a way to break this in an iTunes update down the road.  They certainly have no history of breaking unlicensed addons... Nope...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that Apple wo n't find a way to break this in an iTunes update down the road .
They certainly have no history of breaking unlicensed addons... Nope.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that Apple won't find a way to break this in an iTunes update down the road.
They certainly have no history of breaking unlicensed addons... Nope...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28142029</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243627140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, the modern/legal definition of monopoly doesn't mean you have to have 100\% market share to be considered a monopoly. Apple's overwhelming market share is close enough.</p><p>Also, being a monopoly is not in itself illegal, or necessarily a bad thing.</p><p>Next up: why Apple isn't literally a "bastard", but acts like one anyways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , the modern/legal definition of monopoly does n't mean you have to have 100 \ % market share to be considered a monopoly .
Apple 's overwhelming market share is close enough.Also , being a monopoly is not in itself illegal , or necessarily a bad thing.Next up : why Apple is n't literally a " bastard " , but acts like one anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, the modern/legal definition of monopoly doesn't mean you have to have 100\% market share to be considered a monopoly.
Apple's overwhelming market share is close enough.Also, being a monopoly is not in itself illegal, or necessarily a bad thing.Next up: why Apple isn't literally a "bastard", but acts like one anyways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140275</id>
	<title>Why is this story displayed red?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243619340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does a red story mean that there are no comments?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does a red story mean that there are no comments ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does a red story mean that there are no comments?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28141093</id>
	<title>Pocket Tunes</title>
	<author>peterpan79</author>
	<datestamp>1243623300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The commercial software pocket tunes (http://www.pocket-tunes.com/)  supports iTunes - Palm Sync for the models</p><p>Palm Centro<br>Palm T|X<br>Palm Treo 650<br>Palm Treo 680<br>Palm Treo 700p<br>Palm Treo 755p</p><p>and also for Windows Mobile. So it cannot be that hard to implement this for the new palm models..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The commercial software pocket tunes ( http : //www.pocket-tunes.com/ ) supports iTunes - Palm Sync for the modelsPalm CentroPalm T | XPalm Treo 650Palm Treo 680Palm Treo 700pPalm Treo 755pand also for Windows Mobile .
So it can not be that hard to implement this for the new palm models. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The commercial software pocket tunes (http://www.pocket-tunes.com/)  supports iTunes - Palm Sync for the modelsPalm CentroPalm T|XPalm Treo 650Palm Treo 680Palm Treo 700pPalm Treo 755pand also for Windows Mobile.
So it cannot be that hard to implement this for the new palm models..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140425</id>
	<title>Re:iTunes Has Always Supported Other Players</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243620120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, that document is obsolete and only covers the Mac version of Itunes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , that document is obsolete and only covers the Mac version of Itunes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, that document is obsolete and only covers the Mac version of Itunes</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140767</id>
	<title>big fat what?</title>
	<author>markringen</author>
	<datestamp>1243621980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>big fat middle finger? i don't think apple is much worried about it.
it's more like pulling apple's finger, and apple farting a bit and saying excellent.

my friends response: the Palm what?
or do they still exist? this is the general response i get from people in Europe and Asia.
as far as i am concerned Palm is going the way of the dodo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>big fat middle finger ?
i do n't think apple is much worried about it .
it 's more like pulling apple 's finger , and apple farting a bit and saying excellent .
my friends response : the Palm what ?
or do they still exist ?
this is the general response i get from people in Europe and Asia .
as far as i am concerned Palm is going the way of the dodo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>big fat middle finger?
i don't think apple is much worried about it.
it's more like pulling apple's finger, and apple farting a bit and saying excellent.
my friends response: the Palm what?
or do they still exist?
this is the general response i get from people in Europe and Asia.
as far as i am concerned Palm is going the way of the dodo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140743</id>
	<title>Blackberries already can sync from iTunes</title>
	<author>new death barbie</author>
	<datestamp>1243621860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...apparently (http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/media/mediasync.jsp).</p><p>Granted, they use a separate app, but if I could control my music and media with iTunes and listen to it on my BB, that'd be good enough for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...apparently ( http : //na.blackberry.com/eng/services/media/mediasync.jsp ) .Granted , they use a separate app , but if I could control my music and media with iTunes and listen to it on my BB , that 'd be good enough for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...apparently (http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/media/mediasync.jsp).Granted, they use a separate app, but if I could control my music and media with iTunes and listen to it on my BB, that'd be good enough for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28223963</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>Unequivocal</author>
	<datestamp>1244222520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mod parent up: insightful.</p><p>Apple is definitely the new Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up : insightful.Apple is definitely the new Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up: insightful.Apple is definitely the new Microsoft.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140277</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140579</id>
	<title>Coming soon....</title>
	<author>AdmiralXyz</author>
	<datestamp>1243620840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iTunes 8.1.2, "fixes syncing issues"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iTunes 8.1.2 , " fixes syncing issues "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iTunes 8.1.2, "fixes syncing issues"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28147439</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this story displayed red?</title>
	<author>node 3</author>
	<datestamp>1243623540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does a red story mean that there are no comments?</p></div><p>Not sure, but a read story means it's winter in hell.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does a red story mean that there are no comments ? Not sure , but a read story means it 's winter in hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does a red story mean that there are no comments?Not sure, but a read story means it's winter in hell.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140835</id>
	<title>Re:iTunes Has Always Supported Other Players</title>
	<author>FooMasterZero</author>
	<datestamp>1243622280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its my understanding that it works by telling itunes it's an ipod as opposed to a pre device.

Personally i think the pre should be able to sync with itunes as other devices have been able to. However I do not like the idea of the pre screwing around with the USB vendor and device ids to make this work, this to me is fraud and is not good behavior on any hardware or software vendor in my opinion. Which again is my understanding of how the pre actually does the syncing.

As per the parent they should read the available API's and work with apple, cause after all more pre users = more apple/itunes (movie,music,*) store users ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its my understanding that it works by telling itunes it 's an ipod as opposed to a pre device .
Personally i think the pre should be able to sync with itunes as other devices have been able to .
However I do not like the idea of the pre screwing around with the USB vendor and device ids to make this work , this to me is fraud and is not good behavior on any hardware or software vendor in my opinion .
Which again is my understanding of how the pre actually does the syncing .
As per the parent they should read the available API 's and work with apple , cause after all more pre users = more apple/itunes ( movie,music , * ) store users ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its my understanding that it works by telling itunes it's an ipod as opposed to a pre device.
Personally i think the pre should be able to sync with itunes as other devices have been able to.
However I do not like the idea of the pre screwing around with the USB vendor and device ids to make this work, this to me is fraud and is not good behavior on any hardware or software vendor in my opinion.
Which again is my understanding of how the pre actually does the syncing.
As per the parent they should read the available API's and work with apple, cause after all more pre users = more apple/itunes (movie,music,*) store users ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140295</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140271</id>
	<title>This should be interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243619340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I enjoy the big fat middle finger to Apple as much as the next guy, I firmly expect Apple to give the big fat legal cock in the ass back to Palm.</p><p>And when it comes to a winner, the middle finger loses to the fat cock every time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I enjoy the big fat middle finger to Apple as much as the next guy , I firmly expect Apple to give the big fat legal cock in the ass back to Palm.And when it comes to a winner , the middle finger loses to the fat cock every time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I enjoy the big fat middle finger to Apple as much as the next guy, I firmly expect Apple to give the big fat legal cock in the ass back to Palm.And when it comes to a winner, the middle finger loses to the fat cock every time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140635</id>
	<title>Re:Sue Those Monopolistic Apple Bastards!</title>
	<author>DavidR1991</author>
	<datestamp>1243621200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Pre is pretending to be an iPod in order to sync. Whilst killing monopolies is great, I'm fairly sure that imitating the iPod crosses a legal line somewhere (presumably reverse engineering employed in order to respond to iTunes' requests etc.) and that Apple have every right to sue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Pre is pretending to be an iPod in order to sync .
Whilst killing monopolies is great , I 'm fairly sure that imitating the iPod crosses a legal line somewhere ( presumably reverse engineering employed in order to respond to iTunes ' requests etc .
) and that Apple have every right to sue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Pre is pretending to be an iPod in order to sync.
Whilst killing monopolies is great, I'm fairly sure that imitating the iPod crosses a legal line somewhere (presumably reverse engineering employed in order to respond to iTunes' requests etc.
) and that Apple have every right to sue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140277</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140293</id>
	<title>Why is this a big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243619400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>iTunes currently supports about 20 non-iPod devices:<br>

Nomad II	Creative Labs	USB<br>
Nomad II MG	Creative Labs	USB<br>
Nomad II c	Creative Labs	USB<br>
Nomad Jukebox	Creative Labs	USB<br>
Nomad Jukebox 20GB	Creative Labs	USB<br>
Nomad Jukebox C	Creative Labs	USB<br>
Novad MuVo	Creative Labs	USB<br>
Rio One	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio 500	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio 600	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio 800	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio 900	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio S10	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio S11	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio S30S	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio S35S	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio S50	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio Chiba	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio Fuse	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
Rio Cali	SONICBlue/S3	USB<br>
psa]play 60	Nike	USB<br>
psa]play 120	Nike	USB<br>
SoundSpace 2	Nakamichi	USB<br> <br>

<a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2172" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2172</a> [apple.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>iTunes currently supports about 20 non-iPod devices : Nomad II Creative Labs USB Nomad II MG Creative Labs USB Nomad II c Creative Labs USB Nomad Jukebox Creative Labs USB Nomad Jukebox 20GB Creative Labs USB Nomad Jukebox C Creative Labs USB Novad MuVo Creative Labs USB Rio One SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio 500 SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio 600 SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio 800 SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio 900 SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio S10 SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio S11 SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio S30S SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio S35S SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio S50 SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio Chiba SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio Fuse SONICBlue/S3 USB Rio Cali SONICBlue/S3 USB psa ] play 60 Nike USB psa ] play 120 Nike USB SoundSpace 2 Nakamichi USB http : //support.apple.com/kb/HT2172 [ apple.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iTunes currently supports about 20 non-iPod devices:

Nomad II	Creative Labs	USB
Nomad II MG	Creative Labs	USB
Nomad II c	Creative Labs	USB
Nomad Jukebox	Creative Labs	USB
Nomad Jukebox 20GB	Creative Labs	USB
Nomad Jukebox C	Creative Labs	USB
Novad MuVo	Creative Labs	USB
Rio One	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio 500	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio 600	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio 800	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio 900	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio S10	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio S11	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio S30S	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio S35S	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio S50	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio Chiba	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio Fuse	SONICBlue/S3	USB
Rio Cali	SONICBlue/S3	USB
psa]play 60	Nike	USB
psa]play 120	Nike	USB
SoundSpace 2	Nakamichi	USB 

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2172 [apple.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140887</id>
	<title>Except for...</title>
	<author>nobodyman</author>
	<datestamp>1243622460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em>The iTunes store is almost entirely DRM-free by now.</em></p></div> </blockquote><p>Except for movies.  And TV shows. And audiobooks.  Oh, and applications.</p><p>But yeah, besides those things, *totally* DRM free.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The iTunes store is almost entirely DRM-free by now .
Except for movies .
And TV shows .
And audiobooks .
Oh , and applications.But yeah , besides those things , * totally * DRM free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The iTunes store is almost entirely DRM-free by now.
Except for movies.
And TV shows.
And audiobooks.
Oh, and applications.But yeah, besides those things, *totally* DRM free.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140459</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_1558241.28140493</id>
	<title>But...</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1243620360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will Amarok 1.4  work with the Pre?<br>I would love to have a Smart Phone that works well with Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will Amarok 1.4 work with the Pre ? I would love to have a Smart Phone that works well with Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will Amarok 1.4  work with the Pre?I would love to have a Smart Phone that works well with Linux.</sentencetext>
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