<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_29_0530245</id>
	<title>Empirical Study Shows DRM Encourages Infringement</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1243598760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Hucko writes <i>"Ars Technica has a story about a study by Cambridge law professor Patricia Akester that suggests (declares?) that <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/landmark-study-drm-truly-does-make-pirates-out-of-us-all.ars">DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright</a> and circumvent authors' protections. The name of the study is 'Technological accommodation of conflicts between freedom of expression and DRM: the first empirical assessment.'"</i> The <a href="http://www.law.cam.ac.uk/faculty-resources/download/technological-accommodation-of-conflicts-between-freedom-of-expression-and-drm-the-first-empirical-assessment/6286/pdf">study itself is available for download (PDF)</a>; there's also a <a href="http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/05/25/freedom-of-expression-versus-drm-the-first-empirical-assessment/">distillation here</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hucko writes " Ars Technica has a story about a study by Cambridge law professor Patricia Akester that suggests ( declares ?
) that DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright and circumvent authors ' protections .
The name of the study is 'Technological accommodation of conflicts between freedom of expression and DRM : the first empirical assessment .
' " The study itself is available for download ( PDF ) ; there 's also a distillation here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hucko writes "Ars Technica has a story about a study by Cambridge law professor Patricia Akester that suggests (declares?
) that DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright and circumvent authors' protections.
The name of the study is 'Technological accommodation of conflicts between freedom of expression and DRM: the first empirical assessment.
'" The study itself is available for download (PDF); there's also a distillation here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137115</id>
	<title>DRM is pushing me towards piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243603140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I stopped buying PC games about a year ago due to DRM technologies such as SecuROM and StarForce, because of the faults they can cause when burning CDs, which is an essential part of my job.</p><p>Last month I bought a new mid-spec laptop and went shopping for an "old" game that would run on it, and I settled on Civ4. After buying it, I discovered that it too uses SecuROM so I will not install it. Instead, I think it's morally (and legally?) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM.</p><p>A couple of weeks ago my girlfriend and I both bought The Sims 2. Neither copy worked! I've since discovered that the copy-protection on the DVD is known to cause installation errors, and one of the recommended workarounds is to install the disk imaging software Alcohol, and this indeed allowed us to install the game. Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games.</p><p>I feel like games publishers are pushing me towards pirating their products. I don't want DRM to harm my system, and if the only way I can play a purchased game is to pirate it then how long will it be before I skip the purchasing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I stopped buying PC games about a year ago due to DRM technologies such as SecuROM and StarForce , because of the faults they can cause when burning CDs , which is an essential part of my job.Last month I bought a new mid-spec laptop and went shopping for an " old " game that would run on it , and I settled on Civ4 .
After buying it , I discovered that it too uses SecuROM so I will not install it .
Instead , I think it 's morally ( and legally ?
) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM.A couple of weeks ago my girlfriend and I both bought The Sims 2 .
Neither copy worked !
I 've since discovered that the copy-protection on the DVD is known to cause installation errors , and one of the recommended workarounds is to install the disk imaging software Alcohol , and this indeed allowed us to install the game .
Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games.I feel like games publishers are pushing me towards pirating their products .
I do n't want DRM to harm my system , and if the only way I can play a purchased game is to pirate it then how long will it be before I skip the purchasing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stopped buying PC games about a year ago due to DRM technologies such as SecuROM and StarForce, because of the faults they can cause when burning CDs, which is an essential part of my job.Last month I bought a new mid-spec laptop and went shopping for an "old" game that would run on it, and I settled on Civ4.
After buying it, I discovered that it too uses SecuROM so I will not install it.
Instead, I think it's morally (and legally?
) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM.A couple of weeks ago my girlfriend and I both bought The Sims 2.
Neither copy worked!
I've since discovered that the copy-protection on the DVD is known to cause installation errors, and one of the recommended workarounds is to install the disk imaging software Alcohol, and this indeed allowed us to install the game.
Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games.I feel like games publishers are pushing me towards pirating their products.
I don't want DRM to harm my system, and if the only way I can play a purchased game is to pirate it then how long will it be before I skip the purchasing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137055</id>
	<title>Empirical, right?</title>
	<author>Kensai7</author>
	<datestamp>1243602720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope the adjective "empirical" is <i>not</i> there to hide unscientific or statistically weak methods... She's a lawyer professor afterall... sort of a scientist who talks her results out!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope the adjective " empirical " is not there to hide unscientific or statistically weak methods... She 's a lawyer professor afterall... sort of a scientist who talks her results out !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope the adjective "empirical" is not there to hide unscientific or statistically weak methods... She's a lawyer professor afterall... sort of a scientist who talks her results out!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138341</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243609560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just games.  DRM bit a friend's small business.  Here's what happened:</p><p>He bought a specialized accounting package for ~$3K which included 4 licenses.  The licenses are locked to the hardware that it is installed on, specifically the hard drive.  Note that this was a purchase, not a time-limited software license.</p><p>When he changed hardware he had to call the supplier and have them activate the license on the new hardware.  This went on for a few years.  Gradually the supplier created newer versions with more bells and whistles.  My friend did not need the new functionality so he never bought it.  His 5yo software was working just fine, thank you.</p><p>Finally he had to replace a failing hard drive.  This time the supplier was unable to provide a license code.  They changed DRM providers and could not provide a code for his version.  The only option they offered was for him to upgrade to the latest and greatest for $5K.</p><p>The result: I stripped out the DRM with a hex editor and he is now able to use his legally purchased software in perpetuity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just games .
DRM bit a friend 's small business .
Here 's what happened : He bought a specialized accounting package for ~ $ 3K which included 4 licenses .
The licenses are locked to the hardware that it is installed on , specifically the hard drive .
Note that this was a purchase , not a time-limited software license.When he changed hardware he had to call the supplier and have them activate the license on the new hardware .
This went on for a few years .
Gradually the supplier created newer versions with more bells and whistles .
My friend did not need the new functionality so he never bought it .
His 5yo software was working just fine , thank you.Finally he had to replace a failing hard drive .
This time the supplier was unable to provide a license code .
They changed DRM providers and could not provide a code for his version .
The only option they offered was for him to upgrade to the latest and greatest for $ 5K.The result : I stripped out the DRM with a hex editor and he is now able to use his legally purchased software in perpetuity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just games.
DRM bit a friend's small business.
Here's what happened:He bought a specialized accounting package for ~$3K which included 4 licenses.
The licenses are locked to the hardware that it is installed on, specifically the hard drive.
Note that this was a purchase, not a time-limited software license.When he changed hardware he had to call the supplier and have them activate the license on the new hardware.
This went on for a few years.
Gradually the supplier created newer versions with more bells and whistles.
My friend did not need the new functionality so he never bought it.
His 5yo software was working just fine, thank you.Finally he had to replace a failing hard drive.
This time the supplier was unable to provide a license code.
They changed DRM providers and could not provide a code for his version.
The only option they offered was for him to upgrade to the latest and greatest for $5K.The result: I stripped out the DRM with a hex editor and he is now able to use his legally purchased software in perpetuity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138487</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243610220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We can't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu.</p></div><p>I guess she's too young to use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine\_(software)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Wine</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We ca n't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu.I guess she 's too young to use Wine [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu.I guess she's too young to use Wine [wikipedia.org].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137411</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138419</id>
	<title>...circumvent authors' protections?</title>
	<author>macbeth66</author>
	<datestamp>1243609920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What authors have put DRM on their music?  I have only found record labels.  You know, those guys that get all the money and do none of the work and threaten artists who even try to take the work directly to the masses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What authors have put DRM on their music ?
I have only found record labels .
You know , those guys that get all the money and do none of the work and threaten artists who even try to take the work directly to the masses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What authors have put DRM on their music?
I have only found record labels.
You know, those guys that get all the money and do none of the work and threaten artists who even try to take the work directly to the masses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28142371</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243628400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He wanted to purchase a single song.  Not the whole album, because of these specific circumstances the only legitimate way to acquire this one song is to purchase the entire album.</p><p>That is his complaint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He wanted to purchase a single song .
Not the whole album , because of these specific circumstances the only legitimate way to acquire this one song is to purchase the entire album.That is his complaint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He wanted to purchase a single song.
Not the whole album, because of these specific circumstances the only legitimate way to acquire this one song is to purchase the entire album.That is his complaint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137069</id>
	<title>Effectiveness?</title>
	<author>silver007</author>
	<datestamp>1243602840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just wonder how many people that 'matter' will pay any attention to a study like this. It seems like a little psuedo-psychology mixed in with a bias to me.

Playing devil's advocate...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just wonder how many people that 'matter ' will pay any attention to a study like this .
It seems like a little psuedo-psychology mixed in with a bias to me .
Playing devil 's advocate.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just wonder how many people that 'matter' will pay any attention to a study like this.
It seems like a little psuedo-psychology mixed in with a bias to me.
Playing devil's advocate...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139081</id>
	<title>Not so fast</title>
	<author>rxan</author>
	<datestamp>1243613160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did the study even consider that more popular games might get pirated more, despite their DRM? And it just so happens that the more popular games usually have DRM while others are more likely to not.

</p><p>You can't just look at the number of pirated copies and correlate with DRM. That is jumping to a conclusion. After all, did you see (insert shitty game with DRM) pirated more than (insert good game without DRM)? There are plenty of examples of the contrary. We don't usually see this, because the better games are more expensive to make and therefore have DRM protection. So in fact, it makes sense that games with DRM would get pirated more, but only in coincidence due to the games popularity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the study even consider that more popular games might get pirated more , despite their DRM ?
And it just so happens that the more popular games usually have DRM while others are more likely to not .
You ca n't just look at the number of pirated copies and correlate with DRM .
That is jumping to a conclusion .
After all , did you see ( insert shitty game with DRM ) pirated more than ( insert good game without DRM ) ?
There are plenty of examples of the contrary .
We do n't usually see this , because the better games are more expensive to make and therefore have DRM protection .
So in fact , it makes sense that games with DRM would get pirated more , but only in coincidence due to the games popularity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the study even consider that more popular games might get pirated more, despite their DRM?
And it just so happens that the more popular games usually have DRM while others are more likely to not.
You can't just look at the number of pirated copies and correlate with DRM.
That is jumping to a conclusion.
After all, did you see (insert shitty game with DRM) pirated more than (insert good game without DRM)?
There are plenty of examples of the contrary.
We don't usually see this, because the better games are more expensive to make and therefore have DRM protection.
So in fact, it makes sense that games with DRM would get pirated more, but only in coincidence due to the games popularity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28140517</id>
	<title>Shameless Self-Promotion Dept.</title>
	<author>ProteusQ</author>
	<datestamp>1243620540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you've written a book, made a CD, produced a video, etc., that's downloadable &amp; DRM-free, reply to this message with a description and the URL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 've written a book , made a CD , produced a video , etc. , that 's downloadable &amp; DRM-free , reply to this message with a description and the URL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you've written a book, made a CD, produced a video, etc., that's downloadable &amp; DRM-free, reply to this message with a description and the URL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138337</id>
	<title>A Zero DRM Experiment Is Successful (So Far)</title>
	<author>thepainguy</author>
	<datestamp>1243609560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's a report from the real world of DRM.<br> <br>As I have mentioned before, I have written and am selling a book for entrepreneurs, salespeople, project champions, and others called Elevator Pitch Essentials (http://www.elevatorpitchessentials.com). After much debate, and with the encouragement of multiple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. folks, I decided to release an eBook version without any security. It's a plain old unsecured PDF. I had to create an eBook because many people overseas wanted to buy the book but it's a pain to sell through Amazon.co.uk. Since I don't have to pay for printing or shipping costs, I priced the eBook at $10, which is $5 off of the retail price<br> <br> Since I released the eBook, my hardcopy sales have continued to hold up. In fact, sales through Amazon.com have been doubling every month and I just got a volume order for 50 books. I have also sold 53 eBooks.<br> <br>I think this has been a successful experiment in part because of the relatively low price. It seems that people think that's a reasonable amount to charge. From my own experience, I know that I have absolutely no problem paying $1 for a song.<br> <br>P.S. Please don't crush my buzz by telling me it's all over the torrents (although that really may not matter).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a report from the real world of DRM .
As I have mentioned before , I have written and am selling a book for entrepreneurs , salespeople , project champions , and others called Elevator Pitch Essentials ( http : //www.elevatorpitchessentials.com ) .
After much debate , and with the encouragement of multiple / .
folks , I decided to release an eBook version without any security .
It 's a plain old unsecured PDF .
I had to create an eBook because many people overseas wanted to buy the book but it 's a pain to sell through Amazon.co.uk .
Since I do n't have to pay for printing or shipping costs , I priced the eBook at $ 10 , which is $ 5 off of the retail price Since I released the eBook , my hardcopy sales have continued to hold up .
In fact , sales through Amazon.com have been doubling every month and I just got a volume order for 50 books .
I have also sold 53 eBooks .
I think this has been a successful experiment in part because of the relatively low price .
It seems that people think that 's a reasonable amount to charge .
From my own experience , I know that I have absolutely no problem paying $ 1 for a song .
P.S. Please do n't crush my buzz by telling me it 's all over the torrents ( although that really may not matter ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a report from the real world of DRM.
As I have mentioned before, I have written and am selling a book for entrepreneurs, salespeople, project champions, and others called Elevator Pitch Essentials (http://www.elevatorpitchessentials.com).
After much debate, and with the encouragement of multiple /.
folks, I decided to release an eBook version without any security.
It's a plain old unsecured PDF.
I had to create an eBook because many people overseas wanted to buy the book but it's a pain to sell through Amazon.co.uk.
Since I don't have to pay for printing or shipping costs, I priced the eBook at $10, which is $5 off of the retail price  Since I released the eBook, my hardcopy sales have continued to hold up.
In fact, sales through Amazon.com have been doubling every month and I just got a volume order for 50 books.
I have also sold 53 eBooks.
I think this has been a successful experiment in part because of the relatively low price.
It seems that people think that's a reasonable amount to charge.
From my own experience, I know that I have absolutely no problem paying $1 for a song.
P.S. Please don't crush my buzz by telling me it's all over the torrents (although that really may not matter).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28143831</id>
	<title>A fun way to get high.</title>
	<author>Jamie's Nightmare</author>
	<datestamp>1243591500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, you can ask my old man.  There was a local software rental shop in Flint, Michigan back in the 90s called "Player One" that used to rent PC and Amiga software.  It was 1/4 the original price to rent the game or program for a week.  Now, the Amiga <b>was</b> indeed a powerful machine ripe for gaming, but only a few developers (Psygnosis, Team 17, Electronic Arts, Gremlin, Bloodhouse) really understood how to deliver a quality game.  A majority of the titles were watered down PC conversions that sucked big portions of ass.  That didn't stop my dad.  Even if the game was stupid he wanted to try and copy it.  Even the games that sucked were usually copy protected in some way.  He had several different disk cloning programs, including a hardware device designed to synchronize 2 disk drives.  That usually worked, but still, coping a floppy disk was an adventure in trail and error that did give us a slight high when we were able to get a working copy.  At the highlight of his piracy run he purchased a photocopy machine.  Why?  To copy the manuals of games that would ask: "What is the 8th word of the second paragraph on Page 27?"  Yeah, he was that hooked.  My hands still smell like hot toner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , you can ask my old man .
There was a local software rental shop in Flint , Michigan back in the 90s called " Player One " that used to rent PC and Amiga software .
It was 1/4 the original price to rent the game or program for a week .
Now , the Amiga was indeed a powerful machine ripe for gaming , but only a few developers ( Psygnosis , Team 17 , Electronic Arts , Gremlin , Bloodhouse ) really understood how to deliver a quality game .
A majority of the titles were watered down PC conversions that sucked big portions of ass .
That did n't stop my dad .
Even if the game was stupid he wanted to try and copy it .
Even the games that sucked were usually copy protected in some way .
He had several different disk cloning programs , including a hardware device designed to synchronize 2 disk drives .
That usually worked , but still , coping a floppy disk was an adventure in trail and error that did give us a slight high when we were able to get a working copy .
At the highlight of his piracy run he purchased a photocopy machine .
Why ? To copy the manuals of games that would ask : " What is the 8th word of the second paragraph on Page 27 ?
" Yeah , he was that hooked .
My hands still smell like hot toner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, you can ask my old man.
There was a local software rental shop in Flint, Michigan back in the 90s called "Player One" that used to rent PC and Amiga software.
It was 1/4 the original price to rent the game or program for a week.
Now, the Amiga was indeed a powerful machine ripe for gaming, but only a few developers (Psygnosis, Team 17, Electronic Arts, Gremlin, Bloodhouse) really understood how to deliver a quality game.
A majority of the titles were watered down PC conversions that sucked big portions of ass.
That didn't stop my dad.
Even if the game was stupid he wanted to try and copy it.
Even the games that sucked were usually copy protected in some way.
He had several different disk cloning programs, including a hardware device designed to synchronize 2 disk drives.
That usually worked, but still, coping a floppy disk was an adventure in trail and error that did give us a slight high when we were able to get a working copy.
At the highlight of his piracy run he purchased a photocopy machine.
Why?  To copy the manuals of games that would ask: "What is the 8th word of the second paragraph on Page 27?
"  Yeah, he was that hooked.
My hands still smell like hot toner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138327</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243609500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop the bittorrent download!<br>.<br><a href="http://ie.7digital.com/artists/ashley-tisdale/headstrong/" title="7digital.com" rel="nofollow">http://ie.7digital.com/artists/ashley-tisdale/headstrong/</a> [7digital.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop the bittorrent download ! .http : //ie.7digital.com/artists/ashley-tisdale/headstrong/ [ 7digital.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop the bittorrent download!.http://ie.7digital.com/artists/ashley-tisdale/headstrong/ [7digital.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137259</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is pushing me towards piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243604040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Last month I bought a new mid-spec laptop and went shopping for an "old" game that would run on it, and I settled on Civ4. After buying it, I discovered that it too uses SecuROM so I will not install it. Instead, I think it's morally (and legally?) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM.</p></div><p>Morally, yes.  Legally?  Forget it.  The uploader violated the law by distributing illegal copies.  You violated the law by downloading and burning, thereby making an illegal copy.  Remember what copyright is:  it's a legal right to copy, literally. Also, usnig a Alcohol to make an image of the DVD is probably also a violation of the law, though the Software Act of 1980 does allow for you to make a copy for archival purposes and as an essential step in executing the program.  Whether imaging the DVD can be viewed as "an essential step" or not depends on how good your lawyer is.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last month I bought a new mid-spec laptop and went shopping for an " old " game that would run on it , and I settled on Civ4 .
After buying it , I discovered that it too uses SecuROM so I will not install it .
Instead , I think it 's morally ( and legally ?
) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM.Morally , yes .
Legally ? Forget it .
The uploader violated the law by distributing illegal copies .
You violated the law by downloading and burning , thereby making an illegal copy .
Remember what copyright is : it 's a legal right to copy , literally .
Also , usnig a Alcohol to make an image of the DVD is probably also a violation of the law , though the Software Act of 1980 does allow for you to make a copy for archival purposes and as an essential step in executing the program .
Whether imaging the DVD can be viewed as " an essential step " or not depends on how good your lawyer is .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last month I bought a new mid-spec laptop and went shopping for an "old" game that would run on it, and I settled on Civ4.
After buying it, I discovered that it too uses SecuROM so I will not install it.
Instead, I think it's morally (and legally?
) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM.Morally, yes.
Legally?  Forget it.
The uploader violated the law by distributing illegal copies.
You violated the law by downloading and burning, thereby making an illegal copy.
Remember what copyright is:  it's a legal right to copy, literally.
Also, usnig a Alcohol to make an image of the DVD is probably also a violation of the law, though the Software Act of 1980 does allow for you to make a copy for archival purposes and as an essential step in executing the program.
Whether imaging the DVD can be viewed as "an essential step" or not depends on how good your lawyer is.
;)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139693</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is pushing me towards piracy</title>
	<author>GMFTatsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1243616280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're willing to wait for a few years anyway, and you're committed to running on mid-spec hardware, may I suggest <a href="http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/pp/80e28a51cbc26fa4bd34938c5e593b36146f5e0c" title="gog.com">GOG.com</a> [gog.com] for your Good Old Gaming needs?  The games are mature in years, sure.  They're also sold cheaply, stripped of DRM with the publisher's blessings, supported by the community, and come with lots of extras.</p><p>Disclaimer:  I'm an affiliate.  An eager, appreciative, supportive affiliate.  I really want these guys to be the model for how games are sold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're willing to wait for a few years anyway , and you 're committed to running on mid-spec hardware , may I suggest GOG.com [ gog.com ] for your Good Old Gaming needs ?
The games are mature in years , sure .
They 're also sold cheaply , stripped of DRM with the publisher 's blessings , supported by the community , and come with lots of extras.Disclaimer : I 'm an affiliate .
An eager , appreciative , supportive affiliate .
I really want these guys to be the model for how games are sold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're willing to wait for a few years anyway, and you're committed to running on mid-spec hardware, may I suggest GOG.com [gog.com] for your Good Old Gaming needs?
The games are mature in years, sure.
They're also sold cheaply, stripped of DRM with the publisher's blessings, supported by the community, and come with lots of extras.Disclaimer:  I'm an affiliate.
An eager, appreciative, supportive affiliate.
I really want these guys to be the model for how games are sold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137063</id>
	<title>At last</title>
	<author>Shrike82</author>
	<datestamp>1243602840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good to see someone has taken a scientific approach to this for once instead of hyperbole, exaggeration and assumption like we normally see (from both sides I might add).<br> <br>

Also, it's funny how DRM has become automatically negative. The reasons are obvious, but as I've said before many times, DRM can be a positive thing. I'll cite the much debated Steam argument again. Once I buy a game, DRM (positive DRM) allows me to redownload whenever I want, and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want. There are some advantages to DRM but of course they're over-shadowed by the many drawbacks and disadvantages from DRM's restrictive aspects.<br> <br>

And can we please not turn this into a "Steam sucks!" - "No YOU suck!" debate again? It was just an example.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good to see someone has taken a scientific approach to this for once instead of hyperbole , exaggeration and assumption like we normally see ( from both sides I might add ) .
Also , it 's funny how DRM has become automatically negative .
The reasons are obvious , but as I 've said before many times , DRM can be a positive thing .
I 'll cite the much debated Steam argument again .
Once I buy a game , DRM ( positive DRM ) allows me to redownload whenever I want , and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want .
There are some advantages to DRM but of course they 're over-shadowed by the many drawbacks and disadvantages from DRM 's restrictive aspects .
And can we please not turn this into a " Steam sucks !
" - " No YOU suck !
" debate again ?
It was just an example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good to see someone has taken a scientific approach to this for once instead of hyperbole, exaggeration and assumption like we normally see (from both sides I might add).
Also, it's funny how DRM has become automatically negative.
The reasons are obvious, but as I've said before many times, DRM can be a positive thing.
I'll cite the much debated Steam argument again.
Once I buy a game, DRM (positive DRM) allows me to redownload whenever I want, and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want.
There are some advantages to DRM but of course they're over-shadowed by the many drawbacks and disadvantages from DRM's restrictive aspects.
And can we please not turn this into a "Steam sucks!
" - "No YOU suck!
" debate again?
It was just an example.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138403</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>thepainguy</author>
	<datestamp>1243609860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great Album! OMG, she's so talented.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)<br> <br>

Generally, the only songs I get off of Limewire are ones I can't buy legally.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great Album !
OMG , she 's so talented .
; - ) Generally , the only songs I get off of Limewire are ones I ca n't buy legally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great Album!
OMG, she's so talented.
;-) 

Generally, the only songs I get off of Limewire are ones I can't buy legally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137285</id>
	<title>Interesting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243604220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to be a troll here or anything, but where's the <i>correlationisnotcausation</i> tag?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to be a troll here or anything , but where 's the correlationisnotcausation tag ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to be a troll here or anything, but where's the correlationisnotcausation tag?
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138241</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1243609140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is not DRM that allows you to download the game onto any computer whenever and wherever you want. It is Steam that allows that. Steam could allow that without DRM, but they chose DRM because they think that their business model wouldn't work without it. But what does the DRM do for YOU as the end user? <br>
You like Steam. You agree with them that their business model doesn't work without DRM, so you are willing to accept the DRM, but in what way is the game better because it has DRM (versus the same game delivered in the same way without DRM)?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not DRM that allows you to download the game onto any computer whenever and wherever you want .
It is Steam that allows that .
Steam could allow that without DRM , but they chose DRM because they think that their business model would n't work without it .
But what does the DRM do for YOU as the end user ?
You like Steam .
You agree with them that their business model does n't work without DRM , so you are willing to accept the DRM , but in what way is the game better because it has DRM ( versus the same game delivered in the same way without DRM ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not DRM that allows you to download the game onto any computer whenever and wherever you want.
It is Steam that allows that.
Steam could allow that without DRM, but they chose DRM because they think that their business model wouldn't work without it.
But what does the DRM do for YOU as the end user?
You like Steam.
You agree with them that their business model doesn't work without DRM, so you are willing to accept the DRM, but in what way is the game better because it has DRM (versus the same game delivered in the same way without DRM)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138591</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>Sloppy</author>
	<datestamp>1243610700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>DRM can be a positive thing. I'll cite the much debated Steam argument again. Once I buy a game, DRM (positive DRM) allows me to redownload whenever I want, and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The DRM happens to <em>allow</em> that use, but it's possible (and easier) to implement that feature without DRM.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM can be a positive thing .
I 'll cite the much debated Steam argument again .
Once I buy a game , DRM ( positive DRM ) allows me to redownload whenever I want , and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want .
The DRM happens to allow that use , but it 's possible ( and easier ) to implement that feature without DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM can be a positive thing.
I'll cite the much debated Steam argument again.
Once I buy a game, DRM (positive DRM) allows me to redownload whenever I want, and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want.
The DRM happens to allow that use, but it's possible (and easier) to implement that feature without DRM.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138723</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>SpooForBrains</author>
	<datestamp>1243611360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://ie.7digital.com/artists/ashley-tisdale/headstrong/" title="7digital.com">http://ie.7digital.com/artists/ashley-tisdale/headstrong/</a> [7digital.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //ie.7digital.com/artists/ashley-tisdale/headstrong/ [ 7digital.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://ie.7digital.com/artists/ashley-tisdale/headstrong/ [7digital.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138569</id>
	<title>Consider the source</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1243610640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading her bio is enlightening. Seems to me she is anti-DRM and anti-IP. So, an anti-DRM, anti-IP law professor does a study and concludes that DRM is bad. Big surprise.</p><p>By the way, "interviewing dozens of lecturers, end users, government officials, rightsholders, and DRM developers to find how DRM and anticircumvention laws affected actual use" is not necessarily empirical. I would bet that the methodology used was guaranteed to get the result she wanted.</p><p>If this had been a study by the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.*AA, there would have been dozens of posts calling it bullshit, but because it goes with the beliefs of so many unethical slashdotters, it's ok. I am never surprised by the depths of slashdot hypocrisy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading her bio is enlightening .
Seems to me she is anti-DRM and anti-IP .
So , an anti-DRM , anti-IP law professor does a study and concludes that DRM is bad .
Big surprise.By the way , " interviewing dozens of lecturers , end users , government officials , rightsholders , and DRM developers to find how DRM and anticircumvention laws affected actual use " is not necessarily empirical .
I would bet that the methodology used was guaranteed to get the result she wanted.If this had been a study by the .
* AA , there would have been dozens of posts calling it bullshit , but because it goes with the beliefs of so many unethical slashdotters , it 's ok. I am never surprised by the depths of slashdot hypocrisy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading her bio is enlightening.
Seems to me she is anti-DRM and anti-IP.
So, an anti-DRM, anti-IP law professor does a study and concludes that DRM is bad.
Big surprise.By the way, "interviewing dozens of lecturers, end users, government officials, rightsholders, and DRM developers to find how DRM and anticircumvention laws affected actual use" is not necessarily empirical.
I would bet that the methodology used was guaranteed to get the result she wanted.If this had been a study by the .
*AA, there would have been dozens of posts calling it bullshit, but because it goes with the beliefs of so many unethical slashdotters, it's ok. I am never surprised by the depths of slashdot hypocrisy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139899</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>SBFCOblivion</author>
	<datestamp>1243617480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And this is how Stardock's Impulse client works. You can use it to download/redownload games you've purchased but you don't actually need to run Impulse to play the games. My recent purchase of Demigod was influenced heavily by this (in addition to it being fun).</p><p>The only thing you actually need to run the Impulse client for are game updates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And this is how Stardock 's Impulse client works .
You can use it to download/redownload games you 've purchased but you do n't actually need to run Impulse to play the games .
My recent purchase of Demigod was influenced heavily by this ( in addition to it being fun ) .The only thing you actually need to run the Impulse client for are game updates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this is how Stardock's Impulse client works.
You can use it to download/redownload games you've purchased but you don't actually need to run Impulse to play the games.
My recent purchase of Demigod was influenced heavily by this (in addition to it being fun).The only thing you actually need to run the Impulse client for are game updates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137145</id>
	<title>Even BBC's Have Your Say has got the plot</title>
	<author>pzs</author>
	<datestamp>1243603440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're accustomed on Slashdot to saying that the general public is not aware of the issues surrounding DRM and file sharing. However, <a href="http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=6518&amp;edition=1&amp;ttl=20090529131947" title="bbc.co.uk">this debate</a> [bbc.co.uk] seems to suggest otherwise. I know the HYS debates are often full of ranting morons but it is still an audience of non-experts. Looking at the most recommended comments there seem to be quite a few people who know what's going on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're accustomed on Slashdot to saying that the general public is not aware of the issues surrounding DRM and file sharing .
However , this debate [ bbc.co.uk ] seems to suggest otherwise .
I know the HYS debates are often full of ranting morons but it is still an audience of non-experts .
Looking at the most recommended comments there seem to be quite a few people who know what 's going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're accustomed on Slashdot to saying that the general public is not aware of the issues surrounding DRM and file sharing.
However, this debate [bbc.co.uk] seems to suggest otherwise.
I know the HYS debates are often full of ranting morons but it is still an audience of non-experts.
Looking at the most recommended comments there seem to be quite a few people who know what's going on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137529</id>
	<title>Re:How much did this guy get paid to do this study</title>
	<author>IBBoard</author>
	<datestamp>1243605720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When put like that it is obvious to almost everyone, but how many people have bought huge amounts of songs from Apple and didn't realise they couldn't use them on other machines or devices because of the DRM? The majority of the population don't care because they don't get bitten, and when they do they just assume there's nothing they can do and go in to another cycle of getting bitten by DRM.</p><p>Since most people don't get bitten to a degree they notice (e.g. "I have to use my iPod? Oh well, I guess I like it anyway so that's okay" rather than "What? I bought music and I can't use it how I want to, like I'd be able to with a CD? That's just ridiculous!") and so the industry carries ever onwards, implementing mechanisms that won't affect the illegal copies but may affect some legitimate copies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When put like that it is obvious to almost everyone , but how many people have bought huge amounts of songs from Apple and did n't realise they could n't use them on other machines or devices because of the DRM ?
The majority of the population do n't care because they do n't get bitten , and when they do they just assume there 's nothing they can do and go in to another cycle of getting bitten by DRM.Since most people do n't get bitten to a degree they notice ( e.g .
" I have to use my iPod ?
Oh well , I guess I like it anyway so that 's okay " rather than " What ?
I bought music and I ca n't use it how I want to , like I 'd be able to with a CD ?
That 's just ridiculous !
" ) and so the industry carries ever onwards , implementing mechanisms that wo n't affect the illegal copies but may affect some legitimate copies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When put like that it is obvious to almost everyone, but how many people have bought huge amounts of songs from Apple and didn't realise they couldn't use them on other machines or devices because of the DRM?
The majority of the population don't care because they don't get bitten, and when they do they just assume there's nothing they can do and go in to another cycle of getting bitten by DRM.Since most people don't get bitten to a degree they notice (e.g.
"I have to use my iPod?
Oh well, I guess I like it anyway so that's okay" rather than "What?
I bought music and I can't use it how I want to, like I'd be able to with a CD?
That's just ridiculous!
") and so the industry carries ever onwards, implementing mechanisms that won't affect the illegal copies but may affect some legitimate copies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138671</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243611060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to say one simple thing: DRM can ONLY be negative to a customer. It never gives me anything extra. It never brings me a benefit. At best, it makes no change at all to the product and is neutral. That's the <i>best case</i> from the customer perspective. When a customer runs up against a DRM scheme, it makes itself known by behaving only negatively.</p><p>Examples:<br>- Dawn of War II requires you to be simultaneously logged in to TWO separate online services (Steam AND Games For Windows Live) in order to play an online match. I have had both fail multiple times already. Yay, multiple points of failure.<br>- Another Steam example, not long after I got HL2, I had it bitch for ten or twenty minutes that it couldn't talk to the Steam servers, so I wasn't allowed to play it. Our network was up, everything was working, it just didn't want to play. How was that a benefit to me?<br>- Tribes 2, long ago, was refusing to run in a friend's machine. Purely for shits, we changed out his CD drive. Turns out the game was failing to run because SecureROM didn't like his hardware. Yes, we had to replace parts to get a game running due to DRM.<br>- I tried to download the demo version of GRID and run it on my machine, only to have it bitch about the fact that I was running SysInternals Disk Monitor so I could have an on-screen hard drive light in my system tray. I turned the util off, but the game refused to install after that. Keep in mind, this was on a FREE TO DOWNLOAD DEMO. They made it quite clear they didn't want me to use their product, so I didn't buy the real game.<br>- My mother wanted to show me a funny song on a CD she had purchased when she was visiting. Being the geek that I am, I had no standalone CD drive, just the one in my PC. We put it in my PC, it wouldn't play. I look up the CD online; yep, DRM'd CD. I explain DRM to her, run a marker around the outside track of the CD to break the DRM, bam it plays perfectly. My mother was mortified that she, the paying customer, was being treated like a criminal.<br>- A customer of mine was running a legit copy of Windows 2003 SBS for 8 months. Suddenly, one day, it shut down. Microsoft had decided to invalidate the license for no good reason we could find. It took us 3 days of arguing with Microsoft to get the server back up and running, during which time the customer was LOSING MONEY because their business was shut down. DRM is beneficial to the customer? Yeah, right.</p><p>Those are just 6 quick examples off the top of my head. I've hit many more in the past, but I can safely say that DRM has *never* been a positive to me. Not on Steam, not with games on disc, not on audio CDs, not on a DVD, not when I've had to deal with licensing on corporate products... it can ONLY act as a negative from a customer's perspective. It never adds ANYTHING of value from a customer's perspective. All it adds is a ticking time bomb, waiting to take functionality away from you for arbitrary reasons defined by the manufacturer.</p><p>Now please, if there's a positive to the systems I've just given you my personal examples of, enlighten me. Because I sure as HELL can't see it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to say one simple thing : DRM can ONLY be negative to a customer .
It never gives me anything extra .
It never brings me a benefit .
At best , it makes no change at all to the product and is neutral .
That 's the best case from the customer perspective .
When a customer runs up against a DRM scheme , it makes itself known by behaving only negatively.Examples : - Dawn of War II requires you to be simultaneously logged in to TWO separate online services ( Steam AND Games For Windows Live ) in order to play an online match .
I have had both fail multiple times already .
Yay , multiple points of failure.- Another Steam example , not long after I got HL2 , I had it bitch for ten or twenty minutes that it could n't talk to the Steam servers , so I was n't allowed to play it .
Our network was up , everything was working , it just did n't want to play .
How was that a benefit to me ? - Tribes 2 , long ago , was refusing to run in a friend 's machine .
Purely for shits , we changed out his CD drive .
Turns out the game was failing to run because SecureROM did n't like his hardware .
Yes , we had to replace parts to get a game running due to DRM.- I tried to download the demo version of GRID and run it on my machine , only to have it bitch about the fact that I was running SysInternals Disk Monitor so I could have an on-screen hard drive light in my system tray .
I turned the util off , but the game refused to install after that .
Keep in mind , this was on a FREE TO DOWNLOAD DEMO .
They made it quite clear they did n't want me to use their product , so I did n't buy the real game.- My mother wanted to show me a funny song on a CD she had purchased when she was visiting .
Being the geek that I am , I had no standalone CD drive , just the one in my PC .
We put it in my PC , it would n't play .
I look up the CD online ; yep , DRM 'd CD .
I explain DRM to her , run a marker around the outside track of the CD to break the DRM , bam it plays perfectly .
My mother was mortified that she , the paying customer , was being treated like a criminal.- A customer of mine was running a legit copy of Windows 2003 SBS for 8 months .
Suddenly , one day , it shut down .
Microsoft had decided to invalidate the license for no good reason we could find .
It took us 3 days of arguing with Microsoft to get the server back up and running , during which time the customer was LOSING MONEY because their business was shut down .
DRM is beneficial to the customer ?
Yeah , right.Those are just 6 quick examples off the top of my head .
I 've hit many more in the past , but I can safely say that DRM has * never * been a positive to me .
Not on Steam , not with games on disc , not on audio CDs , not on a DVD , not when I 've had to deal with licensing on corporate products... it can ONLY act as a negative from a customer 's perspective .
It never adds ANYTHING of value from a customer 's perspective .
All it adds is a ticking time bomb , waiting to take functionality away from you for arbitrary reasons defined by the manufacturer.Now please , if there 's a positive to the systems I 've just given you my personal examples of , enlighten me .
Because I sure as HELL ca n't see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to say one simple thing: DRM can ONLY be negative to a customer.
It never gives me anything extra.
It never brings me a benefit.
At best, it makes no change at all to the product and is neutral.
That's the best case from the customer perspective.
When a customer runs up against a DRM scheme, it makes itself known by behaving only negatively.Examples:- Dawn of War II requires you to be simultaneously logged in to TWO separate online services (Steam AND Games For Windows Live) in order to play an online match.
I have had both fail multiple times already.
Yay, multiple points of failure.- Another Steam example, not long after I got HL2, I had it bitch for ten or twenty minutes that it couldn't talk to the Steam servers, so I wasn't allowed to play it.
Our network was up, everything was working, it just didn't want to play.
How was that a benefit to me?- Tribes 2, long ago, was refusing to run in a friend's machine.
Purely for shits, we changed out his CD drive.
Turns out the game was failing to run because SecureROM didn't like his hardware.
Yes, we had to replace parts to get a game running due to DRM.- I tried to download the demo version of GRID and run it on my machine, only to have it bitch about the fact that I was running SysInternals Disk Monitor so I could have an on-screen hard drive light in my system tray.
I turned the util off, but the game refused to install after that.
Keep in mind, this was on a FREE TO DOWNLOAD DEMO.
They made it quite clear they didn't want me to use their product, so I didn't buy the real game.- My mother wanted to show me a funny song on a CD she had purchased when she was visiting.
Being the geek that I am, I had no standalone CD drive, just the one in my PC.
We put it in my PC, it wouldn't play.
I look up the CD online; yep, DRM'd CD.
I explain DRM to her, run a marker around the outside track of the CD to break the DRM, bam it plays perfectly.
My mother was mortified that she, the paying customer, was being treated like a criminal.- A customer of mine was running a legit copy of Windows 2003 SBS for 8 months.
Suddenly, one day, it shut down.
Microsoft had decided to invalidate the license for no good reason we could find.
It took us 3 days of arguing with Microsoft to get the server back up and running, during which time the customer was LOSING MONEY because their business was shut down.
DRM is beneficial to the customer?
Yeah, right.Those are just 6 quick examples off the top of my head.
I've hit many more in the past, but I can safely say that DRM has *never* been a positive to me.
Not on Steam, not with games on disc, not on audio CDs, not on a DVD, not when I've had to deal with licensing on corporate products... it can ONLY act as a negative from a customer's perspective.
It never adds ANYTHING of value from a customer's perspective.
All it adds is a ticking time bomb, waiting to take functionality away from you for arbitrary reasons defined by the manufacturer.Now please, if there's a positive to the systems I've just given you my personal examples of, enlighten me.
Because I sure as HELL can't see it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28149451</id>
	<title>Re:i was watching pbs a few nights ago</title>
	<author>rhendershot</author>
	<datestamp>1243699200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>he put 6 cans of coke in a refrigerator in an office kitchen, unlabeled and unguarded. of course, the cans of coke slowly disappeared. then he put 6 dollar bills on a plate in a refrigerator in an office kitchen, unlabeled and unguarded. guess what? no one took the money</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>People were probably too interested in finding out how that plate of money might become a cake or a plate of cookies or something.  They had to assign some reasoning for there being a plate of money in the office refrigerator.  If it were me I'd guess that for whatever reason, it being the office and all, it was much smarter to leave it alone.</p><p>I wouldn't take either but I'd value it like this:  The can of pop is immutable the dollar is not.  Assuming there's no pop machine, then that 'thing' cannot be replaced.  Taking a dollar still leaves open the scenario of then going to friends to borrow a dollar to replace it.  Or 4 quarters.  Or a check for a dollar.</p><p>I'd say this guy's experiment is busted.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>he put 6 cans of coke in a refrigerator in an office kitchen , unlabeled and unguarded .
of course , the cans of coke slowly disappeared .
then he put 6 dollar bills on a plate in a refrigerator in an office kitchen , unlabeled and unguarded .
guess what ?
no one took the money People were probably too interested in finding out how that plate of money might become a cake or a plate of cookies or something .
They had to assign some reasoning for there being a plate of money in the office refrigerator .
If it were me I 'd guess that for whatever reason , it being the office and all , it was much smarter to leave it alone.I would n't take either but I 'd value it like this : The can of pop is immutable the dollar is not .
Assuming there 's no pop machine , then that 'thing ' can not be replaced .
Taking a dollar still leaves open the scenario of then going to friends to borrow a dollar to replace it .
Or 4 quarters .
Or a check for a dollar.I 'd say this guy 's experiment is busted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> he put 6 cans of coke in a refrigerator in an office kitchen, unlabeled and unguarded.
of course, the cans of coke slowly disappeared.
then he put 6 dollar bills on a plate in a refrigerator in an office kitchen, unlabeled and unguarded.
guess what?
no one took the money People were probably too interested in finding out how that plate of money might become a cake or a plate of cookies or something.
They had to assign some reasoning for there being a plate of money in the office refrigerator.
If it were me I'd guess that for whatever reason, it being the office and all, it was much smarter to leave it alone.I wouldn't take either but I'd value it like this:  The can of pop is immutable the dollar is not.
Assuming there's no pop machine, then that 'thing' cannot be replaced.
Taking a dollar still leaves open the scenario of then going to friends to borrow a dollar to replace it.
Or 4 quarters.
Or a check for a dollar.I'd say this guy's experiment is busted.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139727</id>
	<title>Re:Hurry...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243616520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The RIAA better discredit Dr. Akester before this gets pickup by a major news source.</p></div><p> Perhaps the RIAA could ask some advice from Merck about how to neutralize and destroy Dr. Akester where ever she lives.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The RIAA better discredit Dr. Akester before this gets pickup by a major news source .
Perhaps the RIAA could ask some advice from Merck about how to neutralize and destroy Dr. Akester where ever she lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The RIAA better discredit Dr. Akester before this gets pickup by a major news source.
Perhaps the RIAA could ask some advice from Merck about how to neutralize and destroy Dr. Akester where ever she lives.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137065</id>
	<title>DUH?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243602840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Crap, this wont work."</p><p>"Oh it's the drm, its broken or confused or something."</p><p>"Screwit, i'll just pirate it.  And the next thing from them too just for annoying me!    bastards!"</p><p>"There ya go."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Crap , this wont work .
" " Oh it 's the drm , its broken or confused or something .
" " Screwit , i 'll just pirate it .
And the next thing from them too just for annoying me !
bastards ! " " There ya go .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Crap, this wont work.
""Oh it's the drm, its broken or confused or something.
""Screwit, i'll just pirate it.
And the next thing from them too just for annoying me!
bastards!""There ya go.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139799</id>
	<title>Re:A Zero DRM Experiment Is Successful (So Far)</title>
	<author>Alzheimers</author>
	<datestamp>1243617000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, a 400px wide table?</p><p>Monitors have done better than that since the advent of VGA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , a 400px wide table ? Monitors have done better than that since the advent of VGA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, a 400px wide table?Monitors have done better than that since the advent of VGA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28143697</id>
	<title>Re:i was watching pbs a few nights ago</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243590960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a rather silly experiment.  The reason people take the soda but not the money isn't some rationalization on their part; it's just logic.</p><p>Soda is for drinking.  The company fridge is largely communal and often contains public comestibles provided by the employer (such soda, beer, etc).  If someone wished to keep their personal supply of sodas in the communal fridge and did not wish to share them with others, he or she would probably label them.  Therefore, it stands to reason that unlabeled sodas in the communal fridge are up for grabs.</p><p>Dollar bills have no typical reason to be in the fridge.  Their presence itself is evidence that some private experiment is taking place in the public fridge, and people don't meddle with it.</p><p>Move the experiment outdoors, for example.  If you leave 6 dollar bills on the sidewalk, or 6 cans of soda on the sidewalk, which do you think are more likely to disappear?  I know I sure wouldn't drink a can of soda I found laying around.  The experiment is entirely context-dependent and from my point of view is basically meaningless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a rather silly experiment .
The reason people take the soda but not the money is n't some rationalization on their part ; it 's just logic.Soda is for drinking .
The company fridge is largely communal and often contains public comestibles provided by the employer ( such soda , beer , etc ) .
If someone wished to keep their personal supply of sodas in the communal fridge and did not wish to share them with others , he or she would probably label them .
Therefore , it stands to reason that unlabeled sodas in the communal fridge are up for grabs.Dollar bills have no typical reason to be in the fridge .
Their presence itself is evidence that some private experiment is taking place in the public fridge , and people do n't meddle with it.Move the experiment outdoors , for example .
If you leave 6 dollar bills on the sidewalk , or 6 cans of soda on the sidewalk , which do you think are more likely to disappear ?
I know I sure would n't drink a can of soda I found laying around .
The experiment is entirely context-dependent and from my point of view is basically meaningless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a rather silly experiment.
The reason people take the soda but not the money isn't some rationalization on their part; it's just logic.Soda is for drinking.
The company fridge is largely communal and often contains public comestibles provided by the employer (such soda, beer, etc).
If someone wished to keep their personal supply of sodas in the communal fridge and did not wish to share them with others, he or she would probably label them.
Therefore, it stands to reason that unlabeled sodas in the communal fridge are up for grabs.Dollar bills have no typical reason to be in the fridge.
Their presence itself is evidence that some private experiment is taking place in the public fridge, and people don't meddle with it.Move the experiment outdoors, for example.
If you leave 6 dollar bills on the sidewalk, or 6 cans of soda on the sidewalk, which do you think are more likely to disappear?
I know I sure wouldn't drink a can of soda I found laying around.
The experiment is entirely context-dependent and from my point of view is basically meaningless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138867</id>
	<title>List of DRM-free games</title>
	<author>cliffski</author>
	<datestamp>1243612020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to assume all PC games use DRM. ReclaimYourGame lists companies not using any form of securom etc. here is the link:</p><p><a href="http://reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;view=section&amp;layout=blog&amp;id=14&amp;Itemid=62" title="reclaimyourgame.com" rel="nofollow">http://reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;view=section&amp;layout=blog&amp;id=14&amp;Itemid=62</a> [reclaimyourgame.com]</p><p>Disclaimer: I'm one of the companies on there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to assume all PC games use DRM .
ReclaimYourGame lists companies not using any form of securom etc .
here is the link : http : //reclaimyourgame.com/index.php ? option = com \ _content&amp;view = section&amp;layout = blog&amp;id = 14&amp;Itemid = 62 [ reclaimyourgame.com ] Disclaimer : I 'm one of the companies on there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to assume all PC games use DRM.
ReclaimYourGame lists companies not using any form of securom etc.
here is the link:http://reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;view=section&amp;layout=blog&amp;id=14&amp;Itemid=62 [reclaimyourgame.com]Disclaimer: I'm one of the companies on there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139103</id>
	<title>Re:A Zero DRM Experiment Is Successful (So Far)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243613280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here's a report from the real world <b>without</b> DRM.</p></div><p>FTFY.

Phrases that should appear in the torrents / PDF:

"If you like this book, send me money so I can write more."

"If you really like this book, send me plane tickets and a hotel reservation and I will come over and give a lecture for you."

Here's the thing.  enterpreneur / sales is not my field.  I don't think I'd ever buy your book, as it servers no purpose for me. Yet I am intrigued by the book contents and I wouldn't mind checking it out. So I could request it from my Public Library or find it on, say, the PirateBay Do you view this as a lost sale?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a report from the real world without DRM.FTFY .
Phrases that should appear in the torrents / PDF : " If you like this book , send me money so I can write more .
" " If you really like this book , send me plane tickets and a hotel reservation and I will come over and give a lecture for you .
" Here 's the thing .
enterpreneur / sales is not my field .
I do n't think I 'd ever buy your book , as it servers no purpose for me .
Yet I am intrigued by the book contents and I would n't mind checking it out .
So I could request it from my Public Library or find it on , say , the PirateBay Do you view this as a lost sale ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a report from the real world without DRM.FTFY.
Phrases that should appear in the torrents / PDF:

"If you like this book, send me money so I can write more.
"

"If you really like this book, send me plane tickets and a hotel reservation and I will come over and give a lecture for you.
"

Here's the thing.
enterpreneur / sales is not my field.
I don't think I'd ever buy your book, as it servers no purpose for me.
Yet I am intrigued by the book contents and I wouldn't mind checking it out.
So I could request it from my Public Library or find it on, say, the PirateBay Do you view this as a lost sale?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138283</id>
	<title>Fair Use</title>
	<author>gninnor</author>
	<datestamp>1243609320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright "</p><p>Is this infringing on copyright? If what they want to do is covered by fair use, I don't see how it is. What is being done is violating DMCA by cracking DRM. They are separate issues, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright " Is this infringing on copyright ?
If what they want to do is covered by fair use , I do n't see how it is .
What is being done is violating DMCA by cracking DRM .
They are separate issues , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright "Is this infringing on copyright?
If what they want to do is covered by fair use, I don't see how it is.
What is being done is violating DMCA by cracking DRM.
They are separate issues, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138643</id>
	<title>the truism still holds</title>
	<author>Bobtree</author>
	<datestamp>1243610940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The pirates are not your customers (unless you go with DRM which makes your customers pirate).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The pirates are not your customers ( unless you go with DRM which makes your customers pirate ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The pirates are not your customers (unless you go with DRM which makes your customers pirate).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138997</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is pushing me towards piracy</title>
	<author>Stavr0</author>
	<datestamp>1243612740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I discovered that [Civilization4] too uses SecuROM so I will not install it. Instead, I think it's morally (and legally?) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM. [...] I've since discovered that the copy-protection on the [Sims2] DVD is known to cause installation errors, and one of the recommended workarounds is to install the disk imaging software Alcohol, and this indeed allowed us to install the game.</p></div><p>Is this what constitutes infringement according to the author?  There doesn't appear to be any copyright infringement here, it is justifiable fair use. In the US, it could be a DMCA infringement.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I discovered that [ Civilization4 ] too uses SecuROM so I will not install it .
Instead , I think it 's morally ( and legally ?
) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM .
[ ... ] I 've since discovered that the copy-protection on the [ Sims2 ] DVD is known to cause installation errors , and one of the recommended workarounds is to install the disk imaging software Alcohol , and this indeed allowed us to install the game.Is this what constitutes infringement according to the author ?
There does n't appear to be any copyright infringement here , it is justifiable fair use .
In the US , it could be a DMCA infringement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I discovered that [Civilization4] too uses SecuROM so I will not install it.
Instead, I think it's morally (and legally?
) acceptable to download a pirate copy without DRM.
[...] I've since discovered that the copy-protection on the [Sims2] DVD is known to cause installation errors, and one of the recommended workarounds is to install the disk imaging software Alcohol, and this indeed allowed us to install the game.Is this what constitutes infringement according to the author?
There doesn't appear to be any copyright infringement here, it is justifiable fair use.
In the US, it could be a DMCA infringement.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137925</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>Spatial</author>
	<datestamp>1243607880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Once I buy a game, DRM (positive DRM) allows me to redownload whenever I want, and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want. There are some advantages to DRM but of course they're over-shadowed by the many drawbacks and disadvantages from DRM's restrictive aspects.</p></div><p>Eh?  The DRM in Steam isn't what is allowing you to download the games anywhere.  That's an entirely unrelated feature.  The DRM restricts the game to running and authenticating through Steam and nothing else.<br> <br>

Steam without DRM would work exactly the same as it does now, the only exception being that you could run games without authenticating online with the Steam client. That's exactly how it works if you crack a game you bought through Steam.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once I buy a game , DRM ( positive DRM ) allows me to redownload whenever I want , and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want .
There are some advantages to DRM but of course they 're over-shadowed by the many drawbacks and disadvantages from DRM 's restrictive aspects.Eh ?
The DRM in Steam is n't what is allowing you to download the games anywhere .
That 's an entirely unrelated feature .
The DRM restricts the game to running and authenticating through Steam and nothing else .
Steam without DRM would work exactly the same as it does now , the only exception being that you could run games without authenticating online with the Steam client .
That 's exactly how it works if you crack a game you bought through Steam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once I buy a game, DRM (positive DRM) allows me to redownload whenever I want, and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want.
There are some advantages to DRM but of course they're over-shadowed by the many drawbacks and disadvantages from DRM's restrictive aspects.Eh?
The DRM in Steam isn't what is allowing you to download the games anywhere.
That's an entirely unrelated feature.
The DRM restricts the game to running and authenticating through Steam and nothing else.
Steam without DRM would work exactly the same as it does now, the only exception being that you could run games without authenticating online with the Steam client.
That's exactly how it works if you crack a game you bought through Steam.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137157</id>
	<title>Uh?</title>
	<author>symes</author>
	<datestamp>1243603500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How did this get through the peer review process??!

oh...

It didn't</htmltext>
<tokenext>How did this get through the peer review process ? ? !
oh.. . It did n't</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How did this get through the peer review process??!
oh...

It didn't</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137527</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is pushing me towards piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243605720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games.</p></div><p>Yes, it depresses the central nervous system and rids them of any guilt they might have felt!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games.Yes , it depresses the central nervous system and rids them of any guilt they might have felt !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games.Yes, it depresses the central nervous system and rids them of any guilt they might have felt!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138885</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>wild\_quinine</author>
	<datestamp>1243612140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, it's funny how DRM has become automatically negative. The reasons are obvious, but as I've said before many times, DRM can be a positive thing.</p></div><p>DRM is about stopping a program from doing what it is meant to do. That is always a negative thing. You are adding, to the design of something that works, something that stops it from working. </p><p>

Now it may well be that you do not want everyone to have a working copy of your software. But don't pretend for a minute that breaking it makes it better. It creates a circumstance which is more favourable to you, at best - and even that's not proven. </p><p>

But in the functional sense, your software would be better if it worked in more circumstances - end of story.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , it 's funny how DRM has become automatically negative .
The reasons are obvious , but as I 've said before many times , DRM can be a positive thing.DRM is about stopping a program from doing what it is meant to do .
That is always a negative thing .
You are adding , to the design of something that works , something that stops it from working .
Now it may well be that you do not want everyone to have a working copy of your software .
But do n't pretend for a minute that breaking it makes it better .
It creates a circumstance which is more favourable to you , at best - and even that 's not proven .
But in the functional sense , your software would be better if it worked in more circumstances - end of story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, it's funny how DRM has become automatically negative.
The reasons are obvious, but as I've said before many times, DRM can be a positive thing.DRM is about stopping a program from doing what it is meant to do.
That is always a negative thing.
You are adding, to the design of something that works, something that stops it from working.
Now it may well be that you do not want everyone to have a working copy of your software.
But don't pretend for a minute that breaking it makes it better.
It creates a circumstance which is more favourable to you, at best - and even that's not proven.
But in the functional sense, your software would be better if it worked in more circumstances - end of story.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28149131</id>
	<title>buhbye DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243696200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I routinely do it, as I refuse to keep CD/DVDs laying around to play a game, especially if I'm travelling and want to play a game on my notebook.  Also some of the DRM mechanisms limit use of other applications and/or otherwise interfere with normal operation of my hw/sw, so they MUST be removed ASAP.  Then there is the problem of the games playable under linux + wine, which in most cases is only possible(if they work at all) if the evil DRM is made to go buhbye, of course since I made the mistake of buying a new nb with an ATI dedicated GPU(4850), the ATI drivers do more damage than any DRM at this point, sadly.  (Their windows drivers are kind of OK, but their linux/X11 drivers truly suck, but maybe the OSS drivers will save their bacon, otherwise I'd recommend staying far-far-far away from ATI products as they can't seem to understand the concept that while they may have some awesome GPUs they really-really-really need some halfway decent drivers to support that hw, along with dumping the BS of allowing their re-sellers to attempt locking consumers into "branded" genero-drivers which are update once a year or so.  This can be worked around, but I doubt that the average consumer has the ability to do so, so I'm considering it yet another poor ATI/AMD decision.)</p><p>Anyways the upshot being at the end of the day, the "customers" of the "pirates" have fewer problems that the "customers"(read likely criminals) of the "legal" "pirates", so I send out a big thank you to crackers everywhere.  (It's so funny, I have an original 3.5" disk version of King's Bounty which has a sticker prominently stating copy protection free... now, then, King's Bounty Legend... hmm...)</p><p>E-books: hmmm... I have several different devices(dedicated readers, PDAs, etc.) that I can and do use to read e-texts, so stripping the DRM is just a logical step, not to mention the fact that I'd really like to have access to these on future devices which may or may not require format changes which DRM effectively locks out unless removed, and that's even if those future devices still support that old DRM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I routinely do it , as I refuse to keep CD/DVDs laying around to play a game , especially if I 'm travelling and want to play a game on my notebook .
Also some of the DRM mechanisms limit use of other applications and/or otherwise interfere with normal operation of my hw/sw , so they MUST be removed ASAP .
Then there is the problem of the games playable under linux + wine , which in most cases is only possible ( if they work at all ) if the evil DRM is made to go buhbye , of course since I made the mistake of buying a new nb with an ATI dedicated GPU ( 4850 ) , the ATI drivers do more damage than any DRM at this point , sadly .
( Their windows drivers are kind of OK , but their linux/X11 drivers truly suck , but maybe the OSS drivers will save their bacon , otherwise I 'd recommend staying far-far-far away from ATI products as they ca n't seem to understand the concept that while they may have some awesome GPUs they really-really-really need some halfway decent drivers to support that hw , along with dumping the BS of allowing their re-sellers to attempt locking consumers into " branded " genero-drivers which are update once a year or so .
This can be worked around , but I doubt that the average consumer has the ability to do so , so I 'm considering it yet another poor ATI/AMD decision .
) Anyways the upshot being at the end of the day , the " customers " of the " pirates " have fewer problems that the " customers " ( read likely criminals ) of the " legal " " pirates " , so I send out a big thank you to crackers everywhere .
( It 's so funny , I have an original 3.5 " disk version of King 's Bounty which has a sticker prominently stating copy protection free... now , then , King 's Bounty Legend... hmm... ) E-books : hmmm... I have several different devices ( dedicated readers , PDAs , etc .
) that I can and do use to read e-texts , so stripping the DRM is just a logical step , not to mention the fact that I 'd really like to have access to these on future devices which may or may not require format changes which DRM effectively locks out unless removed , and that 's even if those future devices still support that old DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I routinely do it, as I refuse to keep CD/DVDs laying around to play a game, especially if I'm travelling and want to play a game on my notebook.
Also some of the DRM mechanisms limit use of other applications and/or otherwise interfere with normal operation of my hw/sw, so they MUST be removed ASAP.
Then there is the problem of the games playable under linux + wine, which in most cases is only possible(if they work at all) if the evil DRM is made to go buhbye, of course since I made the mistake of buying a new nb with an ATI dedicated GPU(4850), the ATI drivers do more damage than any DRM at this point, sadly.
(Their windows drivers are kind of OK, but their linux/X11 drivers truly suck, but maybe the OSS drivers will save their bacon, otherwise I'd recommend staying far-far-far away from ATI products as they can't seem to understand the concept that while they may have some awesome GPUs they really-really-really need some halfway decent drivers to support that hw, along with dumping the BS of allowing their re-sellers to attempt locking consumers into "branded" genero-drivers which are update once a year or so.
This can be worked around, but I doubt that the average consumer has the ability to do so, so I'm considering it yet another poor ATI/AMD decision.
)Anyways the upshot being at the end of the day, the "customers" of the "pirates" have fewer problems that the "customers"(read likely criminals) of the "legal" "pirates", so I send out a big thank you to crackers everywhere.
(It's so funny, I have an original 3.5" disk version of King's Bounty which has a sticker prominently stating copy protection free... now, then, King's Bounty Legend... hmm...)E-books: hmmm... I have several different devices(dedicated readers, PDAs, etc.
) that I can and do use to read e-texts, so stripping the DRM is just a logical step, not to mention the fact that I'd really like to have access to these on future devices which may or may not require format changes which DRM effectively locks out unless removed, and that's even if those future devices still support that old DRM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28140569</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is pushing me towards piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243620780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games."</p><p>Oh the wonders of context.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games .
" Oh the wonders of context .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Alcohol can of course be very useful for people who want to pirate games.
"Oh the wonders of context.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28140657</id>
	<title>Re:i was watching pbs a few nights ago</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1243621320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>interesting about the dollars and cans of coke.</p><p>however, companies often provide soda for free for them employees.  this complicates things as the employees could have thought those were from a company event (leftovers) etc.  happens ALL the time where I work (bay area companies).</p><p>another problem with this is that the 'value' of a song is VERY debatable!  its complicated to add in all the costs involved and assign 'reasonable' profits to those in the chain.  I'd say its actually impossible to do this correctly.  so what we have is a system that is now gouging the consumer and attempting to float some idea of fair price on 'song listening'.</p><p>for me, the right price is a few pennies per song.  the industry sees that as 100x.  we are not even on the same page, here.</p><p>until then, I will continue to get my music any way I want.  until the pennies-per-song comes back (I miss the russian sites!) I won't be buying the overpriced 'dollar per song' that the industry demands.</p><p>once they become reasonable, I'll become reasonable.  that's the lesson and that's all she wrote.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>interesting about the dollars and cans of coke.however , companies often provide soda for free for them employees .
this complicates things as the employees could have thought those were from a company event ( leftovers ) etc .
happens ALL the time where I work ( bay area companies ) .another problem with this is that the 'value ' of a song is VERY debatable !
its complicated to add in all the costs involved and assign 'reasonable ' profits to those in the chain .
I 'd say its actually impossible to do this correctly .
so what we have is a system that is now gouging the consumer and attempting to float some idea of fair price on 'song listening'.for me , the right price is a few pennies per song .
the industry sees that as 100x .
we are not even on the same page , here.until then , I will continue to get my music any way I want .
until the pennies-per-song comes back ( I miss the russian sites !
) I wo n't be buying the overpriced 'dollar per song ' that the industry demands.once they become reasonable , I 'll become reasonable .
that 's the lesson and that 's all she wrote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>interesting about the dollars and cans of coke.however, companies often provide soda for free for them employees.
this complicates things as the employees could have thought those were from a company event (leftovers) etc.
happens ALL the time where I work (bay area companies).another problem with this is that the 'value' of a song is VERY debatable!
its complicated to add in all the costs involved and assign 'reasonable' profits to those in the chain.
I'd say its actually impossible to do this correctly.
so what we have is a system that is now gouging the consumer and attempting to float some idea of fair price on 'song listening'.for me, the right price is a few pennies per song.
the industry sees that as 100x.
we are not even on the same page, here.until then, I will continue to get my music any way I want.
until the pennies-per-song comes back (I miss the russian sites!
) I won't be buying the overpriced 'dollar per song' that the industry demands.once they become reasonable, I'll become reasonable.
that's the lesson and that's all she wrote.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28148315</id>
	<title>Re:A Zero DRM Experiment Is Successful (So Far)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243683060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You only WISH it was "all over the torrents".  Truth is, your vanity-press pamphlet apparently isn't worth pirating!</p><p>I also see that you're trying to boost your sales with a little slashdot spam?  (While I'm on the subject, in what twisted world is 50 books a "volume order"?  Hell, I sell more than that per semester to just ONE college.  Of course, my book has REAL information in it.)</p><p>As for book sales on Amazon "doubling every month"  I'm going to guess you're either lying, can't do math, or BOTH -- let's count the months up to your "volume" sale:</p><p>Month 1: 1 book<br>Month 2: 2 books<br>Month 3: 4 books -- first restock order<br>Month 4: 8 books<br>Month 5: 16 books -- small order<br>Month 6: 32 books -- "volume order"<br>Month 7: 64 books -- you won't get here</p><p>I'm not sure how long your book has been on sale, but I know it's at the very least 8 months (You added some link spam on wikipedia last October)</p><p>Just to cut you down a bit, how is 53 pdf sales a success?  I mean, just how low are you willing set the bar?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You only WISH it was " all over the torrents " .
Truth is , your vanity-press pamphlet apparently is n't worth pirating ! I also see that you 're trying to boost your sales with a little slashdot spam ?
( While I 'm on the subject , in what twisted world is 50 books a " volume order " ?
Hell , I sell more than that per semester to just ONE college .
Of course , my book has REAL information in it .
) As for book sales on Amazon " doubling every month " I 'm going to guess you 're either lying , ca n't do math , or BOTH -- let 's count the months up to your " volume " sale : Month 1 : 1 bookMonth 2 : 2 booksMonth 3 : 4 books -- first restock orderMonth 4 : 8 booksMonth 5 : 16 books -- small orderMonth 6 : 32 books -- " volume order " Month 7 : 64 books -- you wo n't get hereI 'm not sure how long your book has been on sale , but I know it 's at the very least 8 months ( You added some link spam on wikipedia last October ) Just to cut you down a bit , how is 53 pdf sales a success ?
I mean , just how low are you willing set the bar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You only WISH it was "all over the torrents".
Truth is, your vanity-press pamphlet apparently isn't worth pirating!I also see that you're trying to boost your sales with a little slashdot spam?
(While I'm on the subject, in what twisted world is 50 books a "volume order"?
Hell, I sell more than that per semester to just ONE college.
Of course, my book has REAL information in it.
)As for book sales on Amazon "doubling every month"  I'm going to guess you're either lying, can't do math, or BOTH -- let's count the months up to your "volume" sale:Month 1: 1 bookMonth 2: 2 booksMonth 3: 4 books -- first restock orderMonth 4: 8 booksMonth 5: 16 books -- small orderMonth 6: 32 books -- "volume order"Month 7: 64 books -- you won't get hereI'm not sure how long your book has been on sale, but I know it's at the very least 8 months (You added some link spam on wikipedia last October)Just to cut you down a bit, how is 53 pdf sales a success?
I mean, just how low are you willing set the bar?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138543</id>
	<title>i was watching pbs a few nights ago</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1243610460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i forget the guy's name, but he was a behavioral economist, and he was attempting to explain the recent economic meltdown in the terms of his profession, and why the whole notion of rational actors in a rational marketplace is a crock</p><p>one of his precepts was that all of these derivatives, while having an economic value, were not actually money itself, and so this abstraction allowed a layer of rationalization of immoral behavior by otherwise normal people</p><p>he crystallized this down to a simple experiment:</p><p>he put 6 cans of coke in a refrigerator in an office kitchen, unlabeled and unguarded. of course, the cans of coke slowly disappeared. then he put 6 dollar bills on a plate in a refrigerator in an office kitchen, unlabeled and unguarded. guess what? no one took the money</p><p>the whole point being: when value is made an abstraction, people can rationalize "theft" a lot easier than when the value of what you are taking is starkly presented. it explains a lot of the sticking points in the argument over "pirated" media</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i forget the guy 's name , but he was a behavioral economist , and he was attempting to explain the recent economic meltdown in the terms of his profession , and why the whole notion of rational actors in a rational marketplace is a crockone of his precepts was that all of these derivatives , while having an economic value , were not actually money itself , and so this abstraction allowed a layer of rationalization of immoral behavior by otherwise normal peoplehe crystallized this down to a simple experiment : he put 6 cans of coke in a refrigerator in an office kitchen , unlabeled and unguarded .
of course , the cans of coke slowly disappeared .
then he put 6 dollar bills on a plate in a refrigerator in an office kitchen , unlabeled and unguarded .
guess what ?
no one took the moneythe whole point being : when value is made an abstraction , people can rationalize " theft " a lot easier than when the value of what you are taking is starkly presented .
it explains a lot of the sticking points in the argument over " pirated " media</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i forget the guy's name, but he was a behavioral economist, and he was attempting to explain the recent economic meltdown in the terms of his profession, and why the whole notion of rational actors in a rational marketplace is a crockone of his precepts was that all of these derivatives, while having an economic value, were not actually money itself, and so this abstraction allowed a layer of rationalization of immoral behavior by otherwise normal peoplehe crystallized this down to a simple experiment:he put 6 cans of coke in a refrigerator in an office kitchen, unlabeled and unguarded.
of course, the cans of coke slowly disappeared.
then he put 6 dollar bills on a plate in a refrigerator in an office kitchen, unlabeled and unguarded.
guess what?
no one took the moneythe whole point being: when value is made an abstraction, people can rationalize "theft" a lot easier than when the value of what you are taking is starkly presented.
it explains a lot of the sticking points in the argument over "pirated" media</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139291</id>
	<title>Unethical?  Hypocrisy?</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1243614240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hypocrisy is stealing a hundred years worth of cultural content from every individual with a copyright extension, and then calling other people pirates because they take back a movie or an album.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hypocrisy is stealing a hundred years worth of cultural content from every individual with a copyright extension , and then calling other people pirates because they take back a movie or an album .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hypocrisy is stealing a hundred years worth of cultural content from every individual with a copyright extension, and then calling other people pirates because they take back a movie or an album.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138369</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>perryizgr8</author>
	<datestamp>1243609740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i stopped thinking like that about 5 years ago. all my music and movies and games (except max payne) have been torrented from tpb.org.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i stopped thinking like that about 5 years ago .
all my music and movies and games ( except max payne ) have been torrented from tpb.org .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i stopped thinking like that about 5 years ago.
all my music and movies and games (except max payne) have been torrented from tpb.org.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28141473</id>
	<title>Re:Empirical, right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243624860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's amusing that you think empirical hints at being unscientific when science *is* the application of empiricism to the discovery of new knowledge (mathematics, on the other hand, is the application of rationalism to the discovery of new knowledge).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's amusing that you think empirical hints at being unscientific when science * is * the application of empiricism to the discovery of new knowledge ( mathematics , on the other hand , is the application of rationalism to the discovery of new knowledge ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amusing that you think empirical hints at being unscientific when science *is* the application of empiricism to the discovery of new knowledge (mathematics, on the other hand, is the application of rationalism to the discovery of new knowledge).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28142777</id>
	<title>Is that you....</title>
	<author>crhylove</author>
	<datestamp>1243630020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that you, Captain Obvious?  Thanks for posting to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. today!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that you , Captain Obvious ?
Thanks for posting to / .
today !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that you, Captain Obvious?
Thanks for posting to /.
today!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139095</id>
	<title>To be fair it's a function of DRM and Price level.</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1243613280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think a lot of people will buy something that is reasonably priced with or without DRM.<br>I think a lot of people will pirate or not buy something that is unreasonably priced.</p><p>The longer DRM exists, the lower that price gets however.  Because once folks pirate something at $70 because of price + DRM, then they are more likely to pirate cheaper titles.</p><p>Some of my titles without DRM from the 1990's still work.  I don't know if my titles with DRM work- I lost the original media or it broke.  The non-DRM software I was able to back up in multiple places so I have not lost it.  Of course Total Annihilation (which still rocks) was DRM'd but a crack came out years ago that allowed me to back it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think a lot of people will buy something that is reasonably priced with or without DRM.I think a lot of people will pirate or not buy something that is unreasonably priced.The longer DRM exists , the lower that price gets however .
Because once folks pirate something at $ 70 because of price + DRM , then they are more likely to pirate cheaper titles.Some of my titles without DRM from the 1990 's still work .
I do n't know if my titles with DRM work- I lost the original media or it broke .
The non-DRM software I was able to back up in multiple places so I have not lost it .
Of course Total Annihilation ( which still rocks ) was DRM 'd but a crack came out years ago that allowed me to back it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think a lot of people will buy something that is reasonably priced with or without DRM.I think a lot of people will pirate or not buy something that is unreasonably priced.The longer DRM exists, the lower that price gets however.
Because once folks pirate something at $70 because of price + DRM, then they are more likely to pirate cheaper titles.Some of my titles without DRM from the 1990's still work.
I don't know if my titles with DRM work- I lost the original media or it broke.
The non-DRM software I was able to back up in multiple places so I have not lost it.
Of course Total Annihilation (which still rocks) was DRM'd but a crack came out years ago that allowed me to back it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137141</id>
	<title>The conclusions of the study</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1243603440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here are the conclusions of the study:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>1) Although DRM has not impacted on many acts permitted by law,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; certain permitted acts are being adversely affected by the use of<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DRM;<br>2) This is in spite of the existence of technological solutions<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (enabling partitioning and authentication of users) to<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; accommodate those permitted acts (privileged exceptions);<br>3) Beneficiaries of privileged exceptions who have been prevented<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; from carrying out those permitted acts (because of the<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; employment of DRM) have not used the complaints mechanism<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; set out in UK law;<br>4) Article 6(4) of the Information Society Directive put an onus on<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; content owners to accommodate privileged exceptions<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; voluntarily. Voluntary measures have emerged in the publishing<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; field, but not all content owners are ready to act unless they are<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; told to do so by regulatory authorities.</p></div><p>My commentary:</p><p>1) As far as I can tell, DRM for the most part also hasn't had a noticeable impact on the uses <em>not</em> permitted by law.  In other words: DRM only harms the customers, not the pirates.</p><p>2) As the record has shown in various court cases, the media companies are a bunch of assholes.  Of course they're not going to care if little Ms. Teacher wants to (fairly!) use some copyrighted piece of work in hear lessons.  They have "Power!! Unlimited POWAH!!!!"</p><p>3) What, there's a complaints mechanism?  That <em>would</em> have been pretty good if people knew about it and used it.</p><p>4) Wait, what??? The DRM control freaks are supposed to <em>voluntarily</em> give up control?  That sounds like a misunderstanding of human psychology.  Also, quote The Matrix 2 (too bad they never made any sequels): "[Oracle] What do all men with power want? [Neo]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... [Oracle] More power".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are the conclusions of the study : 1 ) Although DRM has not impacted on many acts permitted by law ,       certain permitted acts are being adversely affected by the use of       DRM ; 2 ) This is in spite of the existence of technological solutions       ( enabling partitioning and authentication of users ) to       accommodate those permitted acts ( privileged exceptions ) ; 3 ) Beneficiaries of privileged exceptions who have been prevented       from carrying out those permitted acts ( because of the       employment of DRM ) have not used the complaints mechanism       set out in UK law ; 4 ) Article 6 ( 4 ) of the Information Society Directive put an onus on       content owners to accommodate privileged exceptions       voluntarily .
Voluntary measures have emerged in the publishing       field , but not all content owners are ready to act unless they are       told to do so by regulatory authorities.My commentary : 1 ) As far as I can tell , DRM for the most part also has n't had a noticeable impact on the uses not permitted by law .
In other words : DRM only harms the customers , not the pirates.2 ) As the record has shown in various court cases , the media companies are a bunch of assholes .
Of course they 're not going to care if little Ms. Teacher wants to ( fairly !
) use some copyrighted piece of work in hear lessons .
They have " Power ! !
Unlimited POWAH ! ! ! !
" 3 ) What , there 's a complaints mechanism ?
That would have been pretty good if people knew about it and used it.4 ) Wait , what ? ? ?
The DRM control freaks are supposed to voluntarily give up control ?
That sounds like a misunderstanding of human psychology .
Also , quote The Matrix 2 ( too bad they never made any sequels ) : " [ Oracle ] What do all men with power want ?
[ Neo ] ... [ Oracle ] More power " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are the conclusions of the study:1) Although DRM has not impacted on many acts permitted by law,
      certain permitted acts are being adversely affected by the use of
      DRM;2) This is in spite of the existence of technological solutions
      (enabling partitioning and authentication of users) to
      accommodate those permitted acts (privileged exceptions);3) Beneficiaries of privileged exceptions who have been prevented
      from carrying out those permitted acts (because of the
      employment of DRM) have not used the complaints mechanism
      set out in UK law;4) Article 6(4) of the Information Society Directive put an onus on
      content owners to accommodate privileged exceptions
      voluntarily.
Voluntary measures have emerged in the publishing
      field, but not all content owners are ready to act unless they are
      told to do so by regulatory authorities.My commentary:1) As far as I can tell, DRM for the most part also hasn't had a noticeable impact on the uses not permitted by law.
In other words: DRM only harms the customers, not the pirates.2) As the record has shown in various court cases, the media companies are a bunch of assholes.
Of course they're not going to care if little Ms. Teacher wants to (fairly!
) use some copyrighted piece of work in hear lessons.
They have "Power!!
Unlimited POWAH!!!!
"3) What, there's a complaints mechanism?
That would have been pretty good if people knew about it and used it.4) Wait, what???
The DRM control freaks are supposed to voluntarily give up control?
That sounds like a misunderstanding of human psychology.
Also, quote The Matrix 2 (too bad they never made any sequels): "[Oracle] What do all men with power want?
[Neo] ... [Oracle] More power".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137991</id>
	<title>Your Left Online: Empirical Study Shows ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243608120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DRM only hurts ordinary users.<br>.<br>DRM stands for:<br><i>ordinary user:</i> Digital Revolt Management<br><i>pirate:</i> Doesn't Really Matter<br>.<br>Before long, for big media corporations, it will stand for:<br>Digital Regret Management</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM only hurts ordinary users..DRM stands for : ordinary user : Digital Revolt Managementpirate : Does n't Really Matter.Before long , for big media corporations , it will stand for : Digital Regret Management</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM only hurts ordinary users..DRM stands for:ordinary user: Digital Revolt Managementpirate: Doesn't Really Matter.Before long, for big media corporations, it will stand for:Digital Regret Management</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137081</id>
	<title>Hurry...</title>
	<author>Clipless</author>
	<datestamp>1243602900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The RIAA better discredit Dr. Akester before this gets pickup by a major news source.<br>Actually I take that back. Everybody knows that there is now room for science and research when it comes to lobbying!<br>What was I thinking?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The RIAA better discredit Dr. Akester before this gets pickup by a major news source.Actually I take that back .
Everybody knows that there is now room for science and research when it comes to lobbying ! What was I thinking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The RIAA better discredit Dr. Akester before this gets pickup by a major news source.Actually I take that back.
Everybody knows that there is now room for science and research when it comes to lobbying!What was I thinking?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28140093</id>
	<title>correlation not causation</title>
	<author>the cheong</author>
	<datestamp>1243618440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright"

I haven't RTFA but I suspect this is correlation, not causation.  The probability of property having DRM is correlated to its value, i.e. demand.  Higher demand encourages crackers and the like to make the property available for pirating.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright " I have n't RTFA but I suspect this is correlation , not causation .
The probability of property having DRM is correlated to its value , i.e .
demand. Higher demand encourages crackers and the like to make the property available for pirating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"DRM and its ilk does persuade citizens to infringe copyright"

I haven't RTFA but I suspect this is correlation, not causation.
The probability of property having DRM is correlated to its value, i.e.
demand.  Higher demand encourages crackers and the like to make the property available for pirating.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137221</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243603860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>gotta love<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. moderation - someone disagrees so they mod you down as "overrated"</htmltext>
<tokenext>got ta love / .
moderation - someone disagrees so they mod you down as " overrated "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gotta love /.
moderation - someone disagrees so they mod you down as "overrated"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139665</id>
	<title>Re:Good Old Games</title>
	<author>GMFTatsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1243616040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Disclaimer: I'm a GOG.com affiliate via the <a href="http://longtailgamer.com/" title="longtailgamer.com">LongTailGamer</a> [longtailgamer.com] website.)</p><p>GOG.com is whip-smart awesome with doubleplus-good on top.  The key is that they do nothing *but* older games... games that are quality, that they expect will still sell after a a few years because they really are good enough at the price point.</p><p>No DRM, no copy protection, no stupid lookups for serial numbers or codes or manual keywords.  No upgrading your computer, no new RAM, not new processor, no Crysis-type benchmarks, no lamentation over not having a sweet enough video card.</p><p>Nothing but pure, wonderful game mainlined straight into my hungry, hungry brain.  Well, that and the boatload of extras they throw in, like soundtracks and such.</p><p>It costs me literally spare change to load up every month.  Even if your computer is 5 years old, every game on GOG will run like a dream.</p><p>I love GOG.com and the games the provde.  outstanding business model, very long tail, done precisely right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Disclaimer : I 'm a GOG.com affiliate via the LongTailGamer [ longtailgamer.com ] website .
) GOG.com is whip-smart awesome with doubleplus-good on top .
The key is that they do nothing * but * older games... games that are quality , that they expect will still sell after a a few years because they really are good enough at the price point.No DRM , no copy protection , no stupid lookups for serial numbers or codes or manual keywords .
No upgrading your computer , no new RAM , not new processor , no Crysis-type benchmarks , no lamentation over not having a sweet enough video card.Nothing but pure , wonderful game mainlined straight into my hungry , hungry brain .
Well , that and the boatload of extras they throw in , like soundtracks and such.It costs me literally spare change to load up every month .
Even if your computer is 5 years old , every game on GOG will run like a dream.I love GOG.com and the games the provde .
outstanding business model , very long tail , done precisely right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Disclaimer: I'm a GOG.com affiliate via the LongTailGamer [longtailgamer.com] website.
)GOG.com is whip-smart awesome with doubleplus-good on top.
The key is that they do nothing *but* older games... games that are quality, that they expect will still sell after a a few years because they really are good enough at the price point.No DRM, no copy protection, no stupid lookups for serial numbers or codes or manual keywords.
No upgrading your computer, no new RAM, not new processor, no Crysis-type benchmarks, no lamentation over not having a sweet enough video card.Nothing but pure, wonderful game mainlined straight into my hungry, hungry brain.
Well, that and the boatload of extras they throw in, like soundtracks and such.It costs me literally spare change to load up every month.
Even if your computer is 5 years old, every game on GOG will run like a dream.I love GOG.com and the games the provde.
outstanding business model, very long tail, done precisely right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28140315</id>
	<title>REALLY?!?!</title>
	<author>RoFLKOPTr</author>
	<datestamp>1243619520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Raise your hand if you didn't see that one coming...</p><p>Nobody? Well I'll be damned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Raise your hand if you did n't see that one coming...Nobody ?
Well I 'll be damned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Raise your hand if you didn't see that one coming...Nobody?
Well I'll be damned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28142785</id>
	<title>This is a solution, not a problem...</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1243630080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Creating DRM that has any sort of security while still accommodating every legal use in every possible market is simply infeasible--though this does lead rightsholders to question the wisdom of DRM."</i></p><p>That needs to be reworded:</p><p><i>"Creating DRM that has any sort of security is simply infeasible - this must lead rightsholders to question the wisdom of DRM."</i></p><p>The problem is not a problem, it's a solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Creating DRM that has any sort of security while still accommodating every legal use in every possible market is simply infeasible--though this does lead rightsholders to question the wisdom of DRM .
" That needs to be reworded : " Creating DRM that has any sort of security is simply infeasible - this must lead rightsholders to question the wisdom of DRM .
" The problem is not a problem , it 's a solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Creating DRM that has any sort of security while still accommodating every legal use in every possible market is simply infeasible--though this does lead rightsholders to question the wisdom of DRM.
"That needs to be reworded:"Creating DRM that has any sort of security is simply infeasible - this must lead rightsholders to question the wisdom of DRM.
"The problem is not a problem, it's a solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28145265</id>
	<title>Re:i was watching pbs a few nights ago</title>
	<author>keyist</author>
	<datestamp>1243599180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>i forget the guy's name, but he was a behavioral economist, and he was attempting to explain the recent economic meltdown in the terms of his profession, and why the whole notion of rational actors in a rational marketplace is a crock</p></div></blockquote><p>

Pretty sure you're talking about Dan Ariely's book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Predictably-Irrational-Revised-Expanded-Decisions/dp/0061854549/" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Predictably Irrational</a> [amazon.com].  It's an educational read -- I highly recommend it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>i forget the guy 's name , but he was a behavioral economist , and he was attempting to explain the recent economic meltdown in the terms of his profession , and why the whole notion of rational actors in a rational marketplace is a crock Pretty sure you 're talking about Dan Ariely 's book Predictably Irrational [ amazon.com ] .
It 's an educational read -- I highly recommend it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i forget the guy's name, but he was a behavioral economist, and he was attempting to explain the recent economic meltdown in the terms of his profession, and why the whole notion of rational actors in a rational marketplace is a crock

Pretty sure you're talking about Dan Ariely's book Predictably Irrational [amazon.com].
It's an educational read -- I highly recommend it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137177</id>
	<title>How much did this guy get paid to do this study?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243603620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People prefer files that aren't troublesome to play and aren't tied to some publisher's good will, to files that are troublesome to play and tied to some publisher's good will. News at 11...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People prefer files that are n't troublesome to play and are n't tied to some publisher 's good will , to files that are troublesome to play and tied to some publisher 's good will .
News at 11.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People prefer files that aren't troublesome to play and aren't tied to some publisher's good will, to files that are troublesome to play and tied to some publisher's good will.
News at 11...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28146921</id>
	<title>bring back the red sheets and foils! Call your MEP</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1243616160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes! I am also strongly against such form of DRM harming computer systems.<br>Bring back those red sheets with codewords and red plastic foil!<br>Ask them users a tricky question which can only be seen by layering both materials, while not affecting any modern computer system!</p><p>Although it's not patentable, examples can be found in any nineties game of Sierra, even in the form of hint books and more.</p><p>On a more serious note: <b>DRM lacks serious user convenience</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes !
I am also strongly against such form of DRM harming computer systems.Bring back those red sheets with codewords and red plastic foil ! Ask them users a tricky question which can only be seen by layering both materials , while not affecting any modern computer system ! Although it 's not patentable , examples can be found in any nineties game of Sierra , even in the form of hint books and more.On a more serious note : DRM lacks serious user convenience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes!
I am also strongly against such form of DRM harming computer systems.Bring back those red sheets with codewords and red plastic foil!Ask them users a tricky question which can only be seen by layering both materials, while not affecting any modern computer system!Although it's not patentable, examples can be found in any nineties game of Sierra, even in the form of hint books and more.On a more serious note: DRM lacks serious user convenience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28140399</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1243620060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I have a cracked copy of a steam game, I can play it on any computer I want, do not have to be online, and if Steam goes bust then I can still play it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... What's positive about DRM again<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....?</p><p>DRM is a way of stopping me doing something and nothing else<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... it restricts my rights, it cannot enable me to do what I can already do without it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>If I buy an un DRM'd game I can play it anytime I want, sell it,  give it away<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  but I cannot with a DRM'd game<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I have a cracked copy of a steam game , I can play it on any computer I want , do not have to be online , and if Steam goes bust then I can still play it .... ... What 's positive about DRM again .... ? DRM is a way of stopping me doing something and nothing else .... it restricts my rights , it can not enable me to do what I can already do without it ...If I buy an un DRM 'd game I can play it anytime I want , sell it , give it away ... but I can not with a DRM 'd game ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I have a cracked copy of a steam game, I can play it on any computer I want, do not have to be online, and if Steam goes bust then I can still play it .... ... What's positive about DRM again ....?DRM is a way of stopping me doing something and nothing else .... it restricts my rights, it cannot enable me to do what I can already do without it ...If I buy an un DRM'd game I can play it anytime I want, sell it,  give it away ...  but I cannot with a DRM'd game ....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137103</id>
	<title>Welcome to real life</title>
	<author>teh.f4ll3n</author>
	<datestamp>1243603080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, at least some of them are starting to realize that no-one is going to buy anything that stops working if you ugrade (reinstall) your OS. Now all that's left is to make sure Cthulhu is well fed in the mean while.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , at least some of them are starting to realize that no-one is going to buy anything that stops working if you ugrade ( reinstall ) your OS .
Now all that 's left is to make sure Cthulhu is well fed in the mean while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, at least some of them are starting to realize that no-one is going to buy anything that stops working if you ugrade (reinstall) your OS.
Now all that's left is to make sure Cthulhu is well fed in the mean while.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139399</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243614840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So I have a choice, buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it....</p></div></blockquote><p>
Waitaminute, here's what I don't get.  What's wrong with buying the CD?  Most (all?) CDs these days don't have any DRM on them. They just plain work, no matter what country you're in and without any proprietary software.
</p><p>
I understand <em>movie</em> piracy, where non-DRM content simply isn't on the market -- they simply aren't interested in selling playable content (presumably because they don't want any money).   But for music, DRM was just an ephemeral experiment whose echoes have nearly died out.  The music companies are back in business.
</p><p>
So why go the pirate route?
</p><p>
Is this an iPod issue, where you can't encode the CDDA into an iPod-playable file without violating a patent (because they still can't play Vorbis) or that you have to use iTunes to get the software into their directory, or something like that?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I have a choice , buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it... . Waitaminute , here 's what I do n't get .
What 's wrong with buying the CD ?
Most ( all ?
) CDs these days do n't have any DRM on them .
They just plain work , no matter what country you 're in and without any proprietary software .
I understand movie piracy , where non-DRM content simply is n't on the market -- they simply are n't interested in selling playable content ( presumably because they do n't want any money ) .
But for music , DRM was just an ephemeral experiment whose echoes have nearly died out .
The music companies are back in business .
So why go the pirate route ?
Is this an iPod issue , where you ca n't encode the CDDA into an iPod-playable file without violating a patent ( because they still ca n't play Vorbis ) or that you have to use iTunes to get the software into their directory , or something like that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I have a choice, buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it....
Waitaminute, here's what I don't get.
What's wrong with buying the CD?
Most (all?
) CDs these days don't have any DRM on them.
They just plain work, no matter what country you're in and without any proprietary software.
I understand movie piracy, where non-DRM content simply isn't on the market -- they simply aren't interested in selling playable content (presumably because they don't want any money).
But for music, DRM was just an ephemeral experiment whose echoes have nearly died out.
The music companies are back in business.
So why go the pirate route?
Is this an iPod issue, where you can't encode the CDDA into an iPod-playable file without violating a patent (because they still can't play Vorbis) or that you have to use iTunes to get the software into their directory, or something like that?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28146631</id>
	<title>A thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243612260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who complains about DRM?</p><p>Presumably, those people who are affected by it.</p><p>So are pirates complaining about it?</p><p>The average pirate won't, because they're downloading something from which the DRM has already been removed.</p><p>This leaves non-standard pirates (stealing directly from a DVD, and not knowing how to download a dozen tools that will let them do so easily), legitimate users either being blocked from doing legitimate but questionable things and legitimate users who have been harmed by misfiring or broken DRM.</p><p>For the most part non-standard pirates won't be complaining much.<br>a. They're pretty small in number (most will d/l)<br>b. The tools to let them bypass the DRM and still rip directly from DVD are easy to come by<br>c. Why would they draw attention to themselves performing an illegal activity</p><p>This leaves us with two major sources, legit users possibly doing something questionable and legit users not doing anything questionable</p><p>Of the ones not doing anything questionable:<br>a. The DRM is not working as it should, it misfired and the user can't use the product they paid for<br>
  These users are owed a refund or patched working version<br>b. The DRM is not working as it should, it didn't so much misfire as crash or break the system (from poor design, one example being the apple cd drive bricking)<br>
  These users are owed a refund or patched working version of the product, PLUS compensation for the damage done to their system<br>
  The user did not buy the DRM, accepting a risk to their system, it was snuck into the deal, generally unannounced (or underannounced)<br>
  If you plant a booby trap, you take on responsibility for it, moral and legal<br>c. The DRM is actual malware, unquestionably, it seeks to do something broad like preventing ALL copying (including the user's own items, photos, their probably never going to take off garage band etc) perhaps it tries to only stop what it should but is a resource hog<br>
  The mere act of forcing this install is a malicious act of sabotage (their having a working, responsive PC isn't as important as our wishes...) and should be handled in court + compensation and replacement / refund per b.</p><p>Of the ones that are "questionable", legit users doing legit things blocked by DRM (fair use)<br>Research<br>Small quotation<br>Format shifting<br>Skipping commercials on disc (if I want them, I'll hit them WHEN I want them... on the menu that shows trailers of other movies, I actually do this a lot, but I want it at MY convenience)  (The ONLY way in which this is questionable is having to break the DRM to do so, they got my $ when I paid for it, if they wanted more they should have raised the price.  Also, I don't mind product placement in the material, but minutes of commercials?  The same ones I saw while watching the last 3 volumes?)</p><p>Clearly the DMCA needs rewriting.  The reason circumventing DRM is illegal is because supposedly you wouldn't do so unless you were looking to do wrong.<br>This is now demonstrably false, with all the legit uses above which are regularly blocked.<br>When you consider the massive hue and outcry over DRM, mostly from those who shouldn't care (and wouldn't if they weren't given a reason to) the case that circumvention demonstrates malicious intent is out the window.</p><p>Guilt should never be pre-supposed except in the most clear and obvious situations.  It's questionable whether the evidence pointed to circumvention meaning that something wrong was happening before the DMCA, though the argument sounds good back when DRM was being sold as doing nothing but preventing thect.</p><p>Now that DRM is used for many purposes besides prevention of theft, purposes whose legality is questionable... DRM is no longer protection, it is coercion in all matters except for the actual prevention of copying.  The burden of proof of whether a particular case of circumventions is right or wrong now rests with the pushers of DRM.  There's one reason for t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who complains about DRM ? Presumably , those people who are affected by it.So are pirates complaining about it ? The average pirate wo n't , because they 're downloading something from which the DRM has already been removed.This leaves non-standard pirates ( stealing directly from a DVD , and not knowing how to download a dozen tools that will let them do so easily ) , legitimate users either being blocked from doing legitimate but questionable things and legitimate users who have been harmed by misfiring or broken DRM.For the most part non-standard pirates wo n't be complaining much.a .
They 're pretty small in number ( most will d/l ) b. The tools to let them bypass the DRM and still rip directly from DVD are easy to come byc .
Why would they draw attention to themselves performing an illegal activityThis leaves us with two major sources , legit users possibly doing something questionable and legit users not doing anything questionableOf the ones not doing anything questionable : a. The DRM is not working as it should , it misfired and the user ca n't use the product they paid for These users are owed a refund or patched working versionb .
The DRM is not working as it should , it did n't so much misfire as crash or break the system ( from poor design , one example being the apple cd drive bricking ) These users are owed a refund or patched working version of the product , PLUS compensation for the damage done to their system The user did not buy the DRM , accepting a risk to their system , it was snuck into the deal , generally unannounced ( or underannounced ) If you plant a booby trap , you take on responsibility for it , moral and legalc .
The DRM is actual malware , unquestionably , it seeks to do something broad like preventing ALL copying ( including the user 's own items , photos , their probably never going to take off garage band etc ) perhaps it tries to only stop what it should but is a resource hog The mere act of forcing this install is a malicious act of sabotage ( their having a working , responsive PC is n't as important as our wishes... ) and should be handled in court + compensation and replacement / refund per b.Of the ones that are " questionable " , legit users doing legit things blocked by DRM ( fair use ) ResearchSmall quotationFormat shiftingSkipping commercials on disc ( if I want them , I 'll hit them WHEN I want them... on the menu that shows trailers of other movies , I actually do this a lot , but I want it at MY convenience ) ( The ONLY way in which this is questionable is having to break the DRM to do so , they got my $ when I paid for it , if they wanted more they should have raised the price .
Also , I do n't mind product placement in the material , but minutes of commercials ?
The same ones I saw while watching the last 3 volumes ?
) Clearly the DMCA needs rewriting .
The reason circumventing DRM is illegal is because supposedly you would n't do so unless you were looking to do wrong.This is now demonstrably false , with all the legit uses above which are regularly blocked.When you consider the massive hue and outcry over DRM , mostly from those who should n't care ( and would n't if they were n't given a reason to ) the case that circumvention demonstrates malicious intent is out the window.Guilt should never be pre-supposed except in the most clear and obvious situations .
It 's questionable whether the evidence pointed to circumvention meaning that something wrong was happening before the DMCA , though the argument sounds good back when DRM was being sold as doing nothing but preventing thect.Now that DRM is used for many purposes besides prevention of theft , purposes whose legality is questionable... DRM is no longer protection , it is coercion in all matters except for the actual prevention of copying .
The burden of proof of whether a particular case of circumventions is right or wrong now rests with the pushers of DRM .
There 's one reason for t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who complains about DRM?Presumably, those people who are affected by it.So are pirates complaining about it?The average pirate won't, because they're downloading something from which the DRM has already been removed.This leaves non-standard pirates (stealing directly from a DVD, and not knowing how to download a dozen tools that will let them do so easily), legitimate users either being blocked from doing legitimate but questionable things and legitimate users who have been harmed by misfiring or broken DRM.For the most part non-standard pirates won't be complaining much.a.
They're pretty small in number (most will d/l)b. The tools to let them bypass the DRM and still rip directly from DVD are easy to come byc.
Why would they draw attention to themselves performing an illegal activityThis leaves us with two major sources, legit users possibly doing something questionable and legit users not doing anything questionableOf the ones not doing anything questionable:a. The DRM is not working as it should, it misfired and the user can't use the product they paid for
  These users are owed a refund or patched working versionb.
The DRM is not working as it should, it didn't so much misfire as crash or break the system (from poor design, one example being the apple cd drive bricking)
  These users are owed a refund or patched working version of the product, PLUS compensation for the damage done to their system
  The user did not buy the DRM, accepting a risk to their system, it was snuck into the deal, generally unannounced (or underannounced)
  If you plant a booby trap, you take on responsibility for it, moral and legalc.
The DRM is actual malware, unquestionably, it seeks to do something broad like preventing ALL copying (including the user's own items, photos, their probably never going to take off garage band etc) perhaps it tries to only stop what it should but is a resource hog
  The mere act of forcing this install is a malicious act of sabotage (their having a working, responsive PC isn't as important as our wishes...) and should be handled in court + compensation and replacement / refund per b.Of the ones that are "questionable", legit users doing legit things blocked by DRM (fair use)ResearchSmall quotationFormat shiftingSkipping commercials on disc (if I want them, I'll hit them WHEN I want them... on the menu that shows trailers of other movies, I actually do this a lot, but I want it at MY convenience)  (The ONLY way in which this is questionable is having to break the DRM to do so, they got my $ when I paid for it, if they wanted more they should have raised the price.
Also, I don't mind product placement in the material, but minutes of commercials?
The same ones I saw while watching the last 3 volumes?
)Clearly the DMCA needs rewriting.
The reason circumventing DRM is illegal is because supposedly you wouldn't do so unless you were looking to do wrong.This is now demonstrably false, with all the legit uses above which are regularly blocked.When you consider the massive hue and outcry over DRM, mostly from those who shouldn't care (and wouldn't if they weren't given a reason to) the case that circumvention demonstrates malicious intent is out the window.Guilt should never be pre-supposed except in the most clear and obvious situations.
It's questionable whether the evidence pointed to circumvention meaning that something wrong was happening before the DMCA, though the argument sounds good back when DRM was being sold as doing nothing but preventing thect.Now that DRM is used for many purposes besides prevention of theft, purposes whose legality is questionable... DRM is no longer protection, it is coercion in all matters except for the actual prevention of copying.
The burden of proof of whether a particular case of circumventions is right or wrong now rests with the pushers of DRM.
There's one reason for t</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137891</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243607700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why should you be ashamed?  You're a slashdotter, and you got to have *SEX*!  Do you have any idea how envied you are likely to be by your peers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should you be ashamed ?
You 're a slashdotter , and you got to have * SEX * !
Do you have any idea how envied you are likely to be by your peers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should you be ashamed?
You're a slashdotter, and you got to have *SEX*!
Do you have any idea how envied you are likely to be by your peers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28141641</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>jank1887</author>
	<datestamp>1243625520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it is what is allowing the download (indirectly).  the presence of the DRM gives Steam enough justification to get permission from the copyright holders to permit the downloads. Without the DRM the companies would say no.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it is what is allowing the download ( indirectly ) .
the presence of the DRM gives Steam enough justification to get permission from the copyright holders to permit the downloads .
Without the DRM the companies would say no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it is what is allowing the download (indirectly).
the presence of the DRM gives Steam enough justification to get permission from the copyright holders to permit the downloads.
Without the DRM the companies would say no.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137459</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>IBBoard</author>
	<datestamp>1243605360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DRM has its uses in business with rights managements on documents more than it has its uses in limiting the freedom of a consumer to use their product as they see fit.</p><p>As for "positive DRM", as I've mentioned on a comment to a blog recently that said about the "age of Steam", I've recently started playing a game from 1995 without any problems. Are your Steam games still going to work in 2023? Can you be sure that the activation or even download servers will still be there? With DRM in consumer goods you can get to the point of not having something you paid for and that is bad. With DRM in commercial documents you can get to the point of not being allowed access to someone else's information that was shared with you (perhaps because a contract or lease is up), which is reasonable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM has its uses in business with rights managements on documents more than it has its uses in limiting the freedom of a consumer to use their product as they see fit.As for " positive DRM " , as I 've mentioned on a comment to a blog recently that said about the " age of Steam " , I 've recently started playing a game from 1995 without any problems .
Are your Steam games still going to work in 2023 ?
Can you be sure that the activation or even download servers will still be there ?
With DRM in consumer goods you can get to the point of not having something you paid for and that is bad .
With DRM in commercial documents you can get to the point of not being allowed access to someone else 's information that was shared with you ( perhaps because a contract or lease is up ) , which is reasonable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM has its uses in business with rights managements on documents more than it has its uses in limiting the freedom of a consumer to use their product as they see fit.As for "positive DRM", as I've mentioned on a comment to a blog recently that said about the "age of Steam", I've recently started playing a game from 1995 without any problems.
Are your Steam games still going to work in 2023?
Can you be sure that the activation or even download servers will still be there?
With DRM in consumer goods you can get to the point of not having something you paid for and that is bad.
With DRM in commercial documents you can get to the point of not being allowed access to someone else's information that was shared with you (perhaps because a contract or lease is up), which is reasonable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137513</id>
	<title>Good Old Games</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1243605660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'll cite the much debated Steam argument again. Once I buy a game, DRM (positive DRM) allows me to redownload whenever I want, and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want.</p></div><p>I'll see your Steam and raise you a GOG.com. No DRM at all, ever, and you can redownload your games whenever you want. Sure their catalog is still small and contains older games (although some are only 2-3 years old), but I'm hoping they'll go from strength to strength and I'm supporting them with my dollars</p><p>I'm still hoping to see LucasArts back catalog on there one day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll cite the much debated Steam argument again .
Once I buy a game , DRM ( positive DRM ) allows me to redownload whenever I want , and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want.I 'll see your Steam and raise you a GOG.com .
No DRM at all , ever , and you can redownload your games whenever you want .
Sure their catalog is still small and contains older games ( although some are only 2-3 years old ) , but I 'm hoping they 'll go from strength to strength and I 'm supporting them with my dollarsI 'm still hoping to see LucasArts back catalog on there one day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll cite the much debated Steam argument again.
Once I buy a game, DRM (positive DRM) allows me to redownload whenever I want, and to play it on any computer whenever and wherever I want.I'll see your Steam and raise you a GOG.com.
No DRM at all, ever, and you can redownload your games whenever you want.
Sure their catalog is still small and contains older games (although some are only 2-3 years old), but I'm hoping they'll go from strength to strength and I'm supporting them with my dollarsI'm still hoping to see LucasArts back catalog on there one day.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137411</id>
	<title>Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>PinkyDead</author>
	<datestamp>1243605060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My daughter wanted Ashley Tisdale's Headstrong on her iPod. (Please no comments - I'm ashamed enough as it is).</p><p>We can't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu.</p><p>We can't get the mp3 from Amazon.com because you have to be US resident.</p><p>We can't get it from Amazon.co.uk because you have to have a UK billing address.</p><p>We can't get it from Amazon.ie because that doesn't exist.</p><p>So I have a choice, buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it....</p><p>I'm getting a bit sick of this malarkey where I'm told what I can and can't buy with my money.  Obviously, I accept the principle that Xyz has the rights to sell something in this market, but if Xyz won't sell it to me then I say screw Xyz.</p><p>So this news doesn't surprise me - the more you tighten your fingers yada yada yada...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My daughter wanted Ashley Tisdale 's Headstrong on her iPod .
( Please no comments - I 'm ashamed enough as it is ) .We ca n't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu.We ca n't get the mp3 from Amazon.com because you have to be US resident.We ca n't get it from Amazon.co.uk because you have to have a UK billing address.We ca n't get it from Amazon.ie because that does n't exist.So I have a choice , buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it....I 'm getting a bit sick of this malarkey where I 'm told what I can and ca n't buy with my money .
Obviously , I accept the principle that Xyz has the rights to sell something in this market , but if Xyz wo n't sell it to me then I say screw Xyz.So this news does n't surprise me - the more you tighten your fingers yada yada yada.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My daughter wanted Ashley Tisdale's Headstrong on her iPod.
(Please no comments - I'm ashamed enough as it is).We can't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu.We can't get the mp3 from Amazon.com because you have to be US resident.We can't get it from Amazon.co.uk because you have to have a UK billing address.We can't get it from Amazon.ie because that doesn't exist.So I have a choice, buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it....I'm getting a bit sick of this malarkey where I'm told what I can and can't buy with my money.
Obviously, I accept the principle that Xyz has the rights to sell something in this market, but if Xyz won't sell it to me then I say screw Xyz.So this news doesn't surprise me - the more you tighten your fingers yada yada yada...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137187</id>
	<title>Re:At last</title>
	<author>bumby</author>
	<datestamp>1243603680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this related to DRM? magnatune.com gives you the same service (download whatever you bought whenever you want, wherever you are) without DRM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this related to DRM ?
magnatune.com gives you the same service ( download whatever you bought whenever you want , wherever you are ) without DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this related to DRM?
magnatune.com gives you the same service (download whatever you bought whenever you want, wherever you are) without DRM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28139585</id>
	<title>anoter empirical study ...</title>
	<author>porky\_pig\_jr</author>
	<datestamp>1243615680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>done by yours truly showed that the absense of DRM encourages infringement as well.</p><p>Sounds like a win-win situation, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>done by yours truly showed that the absense of DRM encourages infringement as well.Sounds like a win-win situation , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>done by yours truly showed that the absense of DRM encourages infringement as well.Sounds like a win-win situation, eh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137963</id>
	<title>Locks were meant to be broken</title>
	<author>rwa2</author>
	<datestamp>1243608060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But everyone honors the honor system.  Well, at least honest people.  But as long as you can catch and reprimand the few crooks out there, then you've got a pretty good system going.</p><p>Frankly, I don't know why watermarking isn't in higher use.  It could even add an element of personalization ("This album / movie expressly prepared for John Q. Smith") and help communities self-police themselves so we're not wasting government money on DRM enforcement / investigation etc.  If the studios find out who's redistributing their work, it's a simple matter to report and disable their account.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But everyone honors the honor system .
Well , at least honest people .
But as long as you can catch and reprimand the few crooks out there , then you 've got a pretty good system going.Frankly , I do n't know why watermarking is n't in higher use .
It could even add an element of personalization ( " This album / movie expressly prepared for John Q. Smith " ) and help communities self-police themselves so we 're not wasting government money on DRM enforcement / investigation etc .
If the studios find out who 's redistributing their work , it 's a simple matter to report and disable their account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But everyone honors the honor system.
Well, at least honest people.
But as long as you can catch and reprimand the few crooks out there, then you've got a pretty good system going.Frankly, I don't know why watermarking isn't in higher use.
It could even add an element of personalization ("This album / movie expressly prepared for John Q. Smith") and help communities self-police themselves so we're not wasting government money on DRM enforcement / investigation etc.
If the studios find out who's redistributing their work, it's a simple matter to report and disable their account.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138513</id>
	<title>treat me like a dog....</title>
	<author>xeno</author>
	<datestamp>1243610340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So much of life was captured eloquently by Smythe's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy\_Capp" title="wikipedia.org">Andy Capp</a> [wikipedia.org] cartoons -- most of which are too impolitic to run in today's newspapers. (Smoking, drinking, thumping and getting thumped by your wife... oh my.)</p><p>In one of the classics, <b>Andy sums up the entire public's reaction to DRM; After being berated by Flo for the transgression of having some unauthorized fun, he says to her: <i>"Treat me like I'm a dog, and I'll treat you like I'm a dog."</i><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...And proceeds to bite her waggling finger.</b></p><p>Ain't that the damn truth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So much of life was captured eloquently by Smythe 's Andy Capp [ wikipedia.org ] cartoons -- most of which are too impolitic to run in today 's newspapers .
( Smoking , drinking , thumping and getting thumped by your wife... oh my .
) In one of the classics , Andy sums up the entire public 's reaction to DRM ; After being berated by Flo for the transgression of having some unauthorized fun , he says to her : " Treat me like I 'm a dog , and I 'll treat you like I 'm a dog .
" ...And proceeds to bite her waggling finger.Ai n't that the damn truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So much of life was captured eloquently by Smythe's Andy Capp [wikipedia.org] cartoons -- most of which are too impolitic to run in today's newspapers.
(Smoking, drinking, thumping and getting thumped by your wife... oh my.
)In one of the classics, Andy sums up the entire public's reaction to DRM; After being berated by Flo for the transgression of having some unauthorized fun, he says to her: "Treat me like I'm a dog, and I'll treat you like I'm a dog.
" ...And proceeds to bite her waggling finger.Ain't that the damn truth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28138871</id>
	<title>Surprised?</title>
	<author>Slur</author>
	<datestamp>1243612080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, disempowerment encourages rebellion? Gee whiz, who'd a thunk it?</p><p>Great thing about capitalists, they can just ignore the lessons of history and the realities of the market, and use control and coercion to accomplish their aims. When will this world start to realize that the market is a power branch, and must be separated and regulated as such, and not allowed to corrupt government and culture with its survival-at-all-cost ambitions?</p><p>Cheap processed foods almost completely devoid of value, mind-poisoning media, pharmaceuticals to mediate the symptoms of our sickness and addiction, lies, damned lies... someone tell me the great benefits left to us at this time in history by these maggots?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , disempowerment encourages rebellion ?
Gee whiz , who 'd a thunk it ? Great thing about capitalists , they can just ignore the lessons of history and the realities of the market , and use control and coercion to accomplish their aims .
When will this world start to realize that the market is a power branch , and must be separated and regulated as such , and not allowed to corrupt government and culture with its survival-at-all-cost ambitions ? Cheap processed foods almost completely devoid of value , mind-poisoning media , pharmaceuticals to mediate the symptoms of our sickness and addiction , lies , damned lies... someone tell me the great benefits left to us at this time in history by these maggots ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, disempowerment encourages rebellion?
Gee whiz, who'd a thunk it?Great thing about capitalists, they can just ignore the lessons of history and the realities of the market, and use control and coercion to accomplish their aims.
When will this world start to realize that the market is a power branch, and must be separated and regulated as such, and not allowed to corrupt government and culture with its survival-at-all-cost ambitions?Cheap processed foods almost completely devoid of value, mind-poisoning media, pharmaceuticals to mediate the symptoms of our sickness and addiction, lies, damned lies... someone tell me the great benefits left to us at this time in history by these maggots?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28141751</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1243625940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Waitaminute, here's what I don't get. What's wrong with buying the CD?"</p><p>Because the OP doesn't want the whole Cd, he just wants the one song. Didn't you know that we all have the right to demand media be made available for purchase in just the format/segmentation we want it? (And if those requirements aren't met then copyright infringement is practically mandatory, i mean i WANTED to buy that one song, i really did.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Waitaminute , here 's what I do n't get .
What 's wrong with buying the CD ?
" Because the OP does n't want the whole Cd , he just wants the one song .
Did n't you know that we all have the right to demand media be made available for purchase in just the format/segmentation we want it ?
( And if those requirements are n't met then copyright infringement is practically mandatory , i mean i WANTED to buy that one song , i really did .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Waitaminute, here's what I don't get.
What's wrong with buying the CD?
"Because the OP doesn't want the whole Cd, he just wants the one song.
Didn't you know that we all have the right to demand media be made available for purchase in just the format/segmentation we want it?
(And if those requirements aren't met then copyright infringement is practically mandatory, i mean i WANTED to buy that one song, i really did.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28146967</id>
	<title>why not the MPAA, CIA, FBI, MIB, BSA and others?</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1243616460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they all want a part of this too now you mentioned the RIAA...</p><p><b>DRM does not limit music only</b></p><p>DVD's, software, add-on and plugins, hardware, cars, GPS readers, pocket computers, entrance systems, remote controls and a lot of other proprietary systems utilize DRM, too often against the convenience of their users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they all want a part of this too now you mentioned the RIAA...DRM does not limit music onlyDVD 's , software , add-on and plugins , hardware , cars , GPS readers , pocket computers , entrance systems , remote controls and a lot of other proprietary systems utilize DRM , too often against the convenience of their users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they all want a part of this too now you mentioned the RIAA...DRM does not limit music onlyDVD's, software, add-on and plugins, hardware, cars, GPS readers, pocket computers, entrance systems, remote controls and a lot of other proprietary systems utilize DRM, too often against the convenience of their users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28140885</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>Panseh</author>
	<datestamp>1243622460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>His daughter probably only wants the one song, not the whole album.</p><p>It's not DRM on the music per se, but there are indeed restrictions on distribution which forces many non-US residents to go the pirate route. As for iTunes on Linux, it's not officially supported but I supposed he could access the store using Wine to install the iTunes windows app. But again, it's more convenient to pirate if Linux users have to jump through hoops to buy music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>His daughter probably only wants the one song , not the whole album.It 's not DRM on the music per se , but there are indeed restrictions on distribution which forces many non-US residents to go the pirate route .
As for iTunes on Linux , it 's not officially supported but I supposed he could access the store using Wine to install the iTunes windows app .
But again , it 's more convenient to pirate if Linux users have to jump through hoops to buy music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His daughter probably only wants the one song, not the whole album.It's not DRM on the music per se, but there are indeed restrictions on distribution which forces many non-US residents to go the pirate route.
As for iTunes on Linux, it's not officially supported but I supposed he could access the store using Wine to install the iTunes windows app.
But again, it's more convenient to pirate if Linux users have to jump through hoops to buy music.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28141217</id>
	<title>Re:Headstrong.mp3</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1243623780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>We can't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu.<br>
<br>
We can't get the mp3 from Amazon.com because you have to be US resident.<br>
<br>
We can't get it from Amazon.co.uk because you have to have a UK billing address.<br>
<br>
We can't get it from Amazon.ie because that doesn't exist.</i> <br> <br> <br>Given that Amazon.co.uk <b>will</b> ship to just about anywhere on the planet there's a very good chance that they are breaking some law or other by to supply an mp3 to elsewhere within the EU.<br> <br> <i>So I have a choice, buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it....</i> <br> <br>Most likely ripping it from CD would still violate copyright law.<br> <br> <i>I'm getting a bit sick of this malarkey where I'm told what I can and can't buy with my money. Obviously, I accept the principle that Xyz has the rights to sell something in this market, but if Xyz won't sell it to me then I say screw Xyz.</i> <br> <br>IIRC the Canadian judicary are of a similar mindset.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We ca n't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu .
We ca n't get the mp3 from Amazon.com because you have to be US resident .
We ca n't get it from Amazon.co.uk because you have to have a UK billing address .
We ca n't get it from Amazon.ie because that does n't exist .
Given that Amazon.co.uk will ship to just about anywhere on the planet there 's a very good chance that they are breaking some law or other by to supply an mp3 to elsewhere within the EU .
So I have a choice , buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it.... Most likely ripping it from CD would still violate copyright law .
I 'm getting a bit sick of this malarkey where I 'm told what I can and ca n't buy with my money .
Obviously , I accept the principle that Xyz has the rights to sell something in this market , but if Xyz wo n't sell it to me then I say screw Xyz .
IIRC the Canadian judicary are of a similar mindset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can't get it from iTunes because we use Ubuntu.
We can't get the mp3 from Amazon.com because you have to be US resident.
We can't get it from Amazon.co.uk because you have to have a UK billing address.
We can't get it from Amazon.ie because that doesn't exist.
Given that Amazon.co.uk will ship to just about anywhere on the planet there's a very good chance that they are breaking some law or other by to supply an mp3 to elsewhere within the EU.
So I have a choice, buy the whole album on CD from Play.com or pirate it....  Most likely ripping it from CD would still violate copyright law.
I'm getting a bit sick of this malarkey where I'm told what I can and can't buy with my money.
Obviously, I accept the principle that Xyz has the rights to sell something in this market, but if Xyz won't sell it to me then I say screw Xyz.
IIRC the Canadian judicary are of a similar mindset.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_29_0530245.28137021</id>
	<title>and the pirates win again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243602480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ARRRRR!</p><p>seriously who didn't know this was the case?</p><p>someone has to crack that DRM just for the sake of cracking it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ARRRRR ! seriously who did n't know this was the case ? someone has to crack that DRM just for the sake of cracking it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ARRRRR!seriously who didn't know this was the case?someone has to crack that DRM just for the sake of cracking it.</sentencetext>
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