<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_05_28_1330226</id>
	<title>KOffice 2.0.0 Now Open For Firefox-Like Extensions</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1243519200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jakeb writes <i>"After a massive three-year development effort <a href="http://koffice.org/">KOffice</a> 2.0.0 has been released (packages for <a href="http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2">Kubuntu are available</a>) aiming to be a lightweight, cross-platform office suite that supports third-party apps and extensions. With its new design (everything, including the core components, is a module) and bindings, you don't need to know C++ to hack on KOffice, as extensions can be written in Python or Java, among others. TechWorld has an <a href="http://www.techworld.com.au/article/304893/koffice\_version\_2\_0\_extensions\_being\_like\_firefox">interview with KOffice marketing coordinator</a> Inge Wallin about the vision for an easy-to-use office suite that supports click-to-install extensions like Firefox. Will this be the key to KOffice rising above all other free office suites? The KOffice devs think so. An online repository of extensions, templates, and content for KOffice? I like the sound of that."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jakeb writes " After a massive three-year development effort KOffice 2.0.0 has been released ( packages for Kubuntu are available ) aiming to be a lightweight , cross-platform office suite that supports third-party apps and extensions .
With its new design ( everything , including the core components , is a module ) and bindings , you do n't need to know C + + to hack on KOffice , as extensions can be written in Python or Java , among others .
TechWorld has an interview with KOffice marketing coordinator Inge Wallin about the vision for an easy-to-use office suite that supports click-to-install extensions like Firefox .
Will this be the key to KOffice rising above all other free office suites ?
The KOffice devs think so .
An online repository of extensions , templates , and content for KOffice ?
I like the sound of that .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jakeb writes "After a massive three-year development effort KOffice 2.0.0 has been released (packages for Kubuntu are available) aiming to be a lightweight, cross-platform office suite that supports third-party apps and extensions.
With its new design (everything, including the core components, is a module) and bindings, you don't need to know C++ to hack on KOffice, as extensions can be written in Python or Java, among others.
TechWorld has an interview with KOffice marketing coordinator Inge Wallin about the vision for an easy-to-use office suite that supports click-to-install extensions like Firefox.
Will this be the key to KOffice rising above all other free office suites?
The KOffice devs think so.
An online repository of extensions, templates, and content for KOffice?
I like the sound of that.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123857</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>OG</author>
	<datestamp>1243526460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think extensions for office suites make quite a bit of sense, actually.  If you're deploying in an enterprise, extensions can make it much easier to integrate the suite with current applications and workflow.  Say you've got some kind of accounting or auditing system that you want your spreadsheet to interface with.  With KOffice you now have a couple of options, scripting or writing an extension.  The better solution depends on the particular case, of course, but that kind of customization makes an office suite much more appealing.  And there are many niches, such as integrating a word processor with a citation manager, that don't belong at all in the core product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think extensions for office suites make quite a bit of sense , actually .
If you 're deploying in an enterprise , extensions can make it much easier to integrate the suite with current applications and workflow .
Say you 've got some kind of accounting or auditing system that you want your spreadsheet to interface with .
With KOffice you now have a couple of options , scripting or writing an extension .
The better solution depends on the particular case , of course , but that kind of customization makes an office suite much more appealing .
And there are many niches , such as integrating a word processor with a citation manager , that do n't belong at all in the core product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think extensions for office suites make quite a bit of sense, actually.
If you're deploying in an enterprise, extensions can make it much easier to integrate the suite with current applications and workflow.
Say you've got some kind of accounting or auditing system that you want your spreadsheet to interface with.
With KOffice you now have a couple of options, scripting or writing an extension.
The better solution depends on the particular case, of course, but that kind of customization makes an office suite much more appealing.
And there are many niches, such as integrating a word processor with a citation manager, that don't belong at all in the core product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28125165</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1243531860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I appreciate your opinion, and I even understand your point of view. Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for your benefit? There are integrators, developers and others that need this release. </i></p><p>What the hell do you think alpha and beta releases are for, exactly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I appreciate your opinion , and I even understand your point of view .
Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for your benefit ?
There are integrators , developers and others that need this release .
What the hell do you think alpha and beta releases are for , exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I appreciate your opinion, and I even understand your point of view.
Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for your benefit?
There are integrators, developers and others that need this release.
What the hell do you think alpha and beta releases are for, exactly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123505</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243524660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Not sure where you got the impression that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version is a final "please use this for your mission critical work". That has never been true and nobody every claimed it to be the case.</i></p><p>Huh.  Sorry, that's complete bullshit.  While everyone knows that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version may have bugs, it's also expected that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version *will* be ready for prime time.  If it's not, it should have an alpha or beta moniker.</p><p>It's simple:  KDE fucked up.  Big time.  And KOffice seems to be doing the exact same god damned thing.  Thanks a lot KDE.  Thank you very much.  Way to ensure that no user will be able to tell if a given version of a product is actually a version they can trust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure where you got the impression that a .0 version is a final " please use this for your mission critical work " .
That has never been true and nobody every claimed it to be the case.Huh .
Sorry , that 's complete bullshit .
While everyone knows that a .0 version may have bugs , it 's also expected that a .0 version * will * be ready for prime time .
If it 's not , it should have an alpha or beta moniker.It 's simple : KDE fucked up .
Big time .
And KOffice seems to be doing the exact same god damned thing .
Thanks a lot KDE .
Thank you very much .
Way to ensure that no user will be able to tell if a given version of a product is actually a version they can trust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure where you got the impression that a .0 version is a final "please use this for your mission critical work".
That has never been true and nobody every claimed it to be the case.Huh.
Sorry, that's complete bullshit.
While everyone knows that a .0 version may have bugs, it's also expected that a .0 version *will* be ready for prime time.
If it's not, it should have an alpha or beta moniker.It's simple:  KDE fucked up.
Big time.
And KOffice seems to be doing the exact same god damned thing.
Thanks a lot KDE.
Thank you very much.
Way to ensure that no user will be able to tell if a given version of a product is actually a version they can trust.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123321</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28127001</id>
	<title>Re:Anybody got RPMs for Fedora?</title>
	<author>rdieter</author>
	<datestamp>1243538280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahem,<br><a href="http://rdieter.livejournal.com/14133.html" title="livejournal.com">http://rdieter.livejournal.com/14133.html</a> [livejournal.com]</p><p>Enjoy.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahem,http : //rdieter.livejournal.com/14133.html [ livejournal.com ] Enjoy .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahem,http://rdieter.livejournal.com/14133.html [livejournal.com]Enjoy.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123345</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28131927</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1243513200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, you want all the core functionality build in, but what core functionality is depends per user. Try any forum on any important software package and you notice people fighting to get "core features" integrated in a product. For me a good download manager is a must, but I know for sure that my aunt would be lost within the functionality.</p><p>Which brings me to the second point. Memory is cheap yes, but if you have more functionality your GUI may take a beating as well. It might do the same when too much extensions are installed, but at least you aren't brought down by options you don't really want. The chances that a base install contains many bugs is also higher if you pack more functionality in the base package.</p><p>As for the package managers, yes there is a problem with syncing the install by the system package mgr and the package mgr of the installed software package. The system package mgr should be flexible enough to compensate for that. Linux package managers normally run scripts for installs, and that seems to go alright. The only other option is having a software mono-culture, but that would not be a good idea for OS designed for a PC.</p><p>Of course, on my Linux system there are the default installs of Firefox and Eclipse managed by the OS. They are used for basic functionality. For more complete functionality I keep separately installed copies. I do this only for the software I care most about; the others are all configured using the package mgr of the OS.</p><p>Finally, and probably most importantly, any module system leaves the developer no choice but to really thing about the architecture of their system. If that's not right, a module system will fail. Thinking in modules has always been a must in software engineering. It lets oodles of people work together without too much interference with each other. Plugins and extensions are just module systems that become visible to the user. Do you really want to have all these plugin developers mess with the core components and deadlines of [insert your favorite major software package]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , you want all the core functionality build in , but what core functionality is depends per user .
Try any forum on any important software package and you notice people fighting to get " core features " integrated in a product .
For me a good download manager is a must , but I know for sure that my aunt would be lost within the functionality.Which brings me to the second point .
Memory is cheap yes , but if you have more functionality your GUI may take a beating as well .
It might do the same when too much extensions are installed , but at least you are n't brought down by options you do n't really want .
The chances that a base install contains many bugs is also higher if you pack more functionality in the base package.As for the package managers , yes there is a problem with syncing the install by the system package mgr and the package mgr of the installed software package .
The system package mgr should be flexible enough to compensate for that .
Linux package managers normally run scripts for installs , and that seems to go alright .
The only other option is having a software mono-culture , but that would not be a good idea for OS designed for a PC.Of course , on my Linux system there are the default installs of Firefox and Eclipse managed by the OS .
They are used for basic functionality .
For more complete functionality I keep separately installed copies .
I do this only for the software I care most about ; the others are all configured using the package mgr of the OS.Finally , and probably most importantly , any module system leaves the developer no choice but to really thing about the architecture of their system .
If that 's not right , a module system will fail .
Thinking in modules has always been a must in software engineering .
It lets oodles of people work together without too much interference with each other .
Plugins and extensions are just module systems that become visible to the user .
Do you really want to have all these plugin developers mess with the core components and deadlines of [ insert your favorite major software package ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, you want all the core functionality build in, but what core functionality is depends per user.
Try any forum on any important software package and you notice people fighting to get "core features" integrated in a product.
For me a good download manager is a must, but I know for sure that my aunt would be lost within the functionality.Which brings me to the second point.
Memory is cheap yes, but if you have more functionality your GUI may take a beating as well.
It might do the same when too much extensions are installed, but at least you aren't brought down by options you don't really want.
The chances that a base install contains many bugs is also higher if you pack more functionality in the base package.As for the package managers, yes there is a problem with syncing the install by the system package mgr and the package mgr of the installed software package.
The system package mgr should be flexible enough to compensate for that.
Linux package managers normally run scripts for installs, and that seems to go alright.
The only other option is having a software mono-culture, but that would not be a good idea for OS designed for a PC.Of course, on my Linux system there are the default installs of Firefox and Eclipse managed by the OS.
They are used for basic functionality.
For more complete functionality I keep separately installed copies.
I do this only for the software I care most about; the others are all configured using the package mgr of the OS.Finally, and probably most importantly, any module system leaves the developer no choice but to really thing about the architecture of their system.
If that's not right, a module system will fail.
Thinking in modules has always been a must in software engineering.
It lets oodles of people work together without too much interference with each other.
Plugins and extensions are just module systems that become visible to the user.
Do you really want to have all these plugin developers mess with the core components and deadlines of [insert your favorite major software package]?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123635</id>
	<title>more alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm glad to see that we have so many software options for even the most basic computer functions that Average Joe User needs to hire a personal assistant to make intelligent decisions about what software packages to install.

Oh, but Average Joe User doesn't use Linux so we don't need to worry about that. Correct, and this is one big reason why.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad to see that we have so many software options for even the most basic computer functions that Average Joe User needs to hire a personal assistant to make intelligent decisions about what software packages to install .
Oh , but Average Joe User does n't use Linux so we do n't need to worry about that .
Correct , and this is one big reason why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad to see that we have so many software options for even the most basic computer functions that Average Joe User needs to hire a personal assistant to make intelligent decisions about what software packages to install.
Oh, but Average Joe User doesn't use Linux so we don't need to worry about that.
Correct, and this is one big reason why.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123701</id>
	<title>FailzoDrs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>little-known Not any3more. It's</htmltext>
<tokenext>little-known Not any3more .
It 's</tokentext>
<sentencetext>little-known Not any3more.
It's</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28128013</id>
	<title>Extensions can be handy but a trap.</title>
	<author>jbn-o</author>
	<datestamp>1243541160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In some programs extensions can modify the behavior of other extensions; programs often don't provide impenetrable barriers between extensions.  In my experience writing and using extensions for various programs, it's best never to develop strong dependencies on extensions because they often aren't upgraded to work with the latest version of the base application (when the extensions no longer work with the latest base software, the features those extensions provided will vanish.  This is particularly true if you're not a programmer who is willing to hack source code to keep your favorite extensions up to date.</p><p>As a user who is less interested in hacking code then I used to be, I still appreciate the freedoms of free software (and strongly encourage those freedoms for their own sake).  But I find it more productive to scale back my needs to meet with whatever the base program can do for me and learn variations on a theme as I go from program to program.  For example, most word processors do mail merge but no two word processors do mail merge in exactly the same way.  So I learn the concept, a few variations in mail merge interfaces, and I'm prepared to implement mail merge functionality with various programming languages by writing my own program if necessary.  Some preparation by learning multiple approaches gives me a backup means of doing this tedious task if the one mail merge interface I prefer most doesn't work out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In some programs extensions can modify the behavior of other extensions ; programs often do n't provide impenetrable barriers between extensions .
In my experience writing and using extensions for various programs , it 's best never to develop strong dependencies on extensions because they often are n't upgraded to work with the latest version of the base application ( when the extensions no longer work with the latest base software , the features those extensions provided will vanish .
This is particularly true if you 're not a programmer who is willing to hack source code to keep your favorite extensions up to date.As a user who is less interested in hacking code then I used to be , I still appreciate the freedoms of free software ( and strongly encourage those freedoms for their own sake ) .
But I find it more productive to scale back my needs to meet with whatever the base program can do for me and learn variations on a theme as I go from program to program .
For example , most word processors do mail merge but no two word processors do mail merge in exactly the same way .
So I learn the concept , a few variations in mail merge interfaces , and I 'm prepared to implement mail merge functionality with various programming languages by writing my own program if necessary .
Some preparation by learning multiple approaches gives me a backup means of doing this tedious task if the one mail merge interface I prefer most does n't work out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In some programs extensions can modify the behavior of other extensions; programs often don't provide impenetrable barriers between extensions.
In my experience writing and using extensions for various programs, it's best never to develop strong dependencies on extensions because they often aren't upgraded to work with the latest version of the base application (when the extensions no longer work with the latest base software, the features those extensions provided will vanish.
This is particularly true if you're not a programmer who is willing to hack source code to keep your favorite extensions up to date.As a user who is less interested in hacking code then I used to be, I still appreciate the freedoms of free software (and strongly encourage those freedoms for their own sake).
But I find it more productive to scale back my needs to meet with whatever the base program can do for me and learn variations on a theme as I go from program to program.
For example, most word processors do mail merge but no two word processors do mail merge in exactly the same way.
So I learn the concept, a few variations in mail merge interfaces, and I'm prepared to implement mail merge functionality with various programming languages by writing my own program if necessary.
Some preparation by learning multiple approaches gives me a backup means of doing this tedious task if the one mail merge interface I prefer most doesn't work out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123629</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28131079</id>
	<title>Re:"aiming to be ... cross-platform"</title>
	<author>zaivala</author>
	<datestamp>1243508940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But it can... in fact, there is a whole KDE For Windows project, and you can all the latest versions -- stable or unstable -- into your Windows installation.  I use it on my computer running XP home and my backup using XP Pro.  The main difference is that it substitutes Explorer.exe for the KDE Desktop, but for all I know there could be a way to override that setting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it can... in fact , there is a whole KDE For Windows project , and you can all the latest versions -- stable or unstable -- into your Windows installation .
I use it on my computer running XP home and my backup using XP Pro .
The main difference is that it substitutes Explorer.exe for the KDE Desktop , but for all I know there could be a way to override that setting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it can... in fact, there is a whole KDE For Windows project, and you can all the latest versions -- stable or unstable -- into your Windows installation.
I use it on my computer running XP home and my backup using XP Pro.
The main difference is that it substitutes Explorer.exe for the KDE Desktop, but for all I know there could be a way to override that setting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28132871</id>
	<title>Re:Kriminy Kill the Kiddie K!!!</title>
	<author>InfiniteLoopCounter</author>
	<datestamp>1243518000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wish they would do something with KDevelop.</p></div><p>I'm afraid there's not they could do with a program that Kultivates Komputer Komputations via Kompiled Kode.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish they would do something with KDevelop.I 'm afraid there 's not they could do with a program that Kultivates Komputer Komputations via Kompiled Kode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish they would do something with KDevelop.I'm afraid there's not they could do with a program that Kultivates Komputer Komputations via Kompiled Kode.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28128811</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1243543320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows doesn't have a package manager. That's why. Otherwise I agree with you. I like extensions but extension managers and auto-updates should not happen in a sane world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows does n't have a package manager .
That 's why .
Otherwise I agree with you .
I like extensions but extension managers and auto-updates should not happen in a sane world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows doesn't have a package manager.
That's why.
Otherwise I agree with you.
I like extensions but extension managers and auto-updates should not happen in a sane world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123405</id>
	<title>Re:Asking for a Mile</title>
	<author>ingwa</author>
	<datestamp>1243524240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The KOffice developers don't package KOffice binaries.  That's done by either the distros in the Linux case or the KDE-on-Windows team for Windows.  I'm sure they will package KOffice 2.0.0 soon.
<p>
Then, on the other hand, it may take some time because the KDE windows installer is not 100\% ready yet.  We'll see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The KOffice developers do n't package KOffice binaries .
That 's done by either the distros in the Linux case or the KDE-on-Windows team for Windows .
I 'm sure they will package KOffice 2.0.0 soon .
Then , on the other hand , it may take some time because the KDE windows installer is not 100 \ % ready yet .
We 'll see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The KOffice developers don't package KOffice binaries.
That's done by either the distros in the Linux case or the KDE-on-Windows team for Windows.
I'm sure they will package KOffice 2.0.0 soon.
Then, on the other hand, it may take some time because the KDE windows installer is not 100\% ready yet.
We'll see.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123161</id>
	<title>Where is the novelty?</title>
	<author>grounded\_roamer</author>
	<datestamp>1243523100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>OpenOffice.org also have point and (couple of) clicks extensions.
Extensions can also be written in Java and Python.

So where are the news here?</htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenOffice.org also have point and ( couple of ) clicks extensions .
Extensions can also be written in Java and Python .
So where are the news here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenOffice.org also have point and (couple of) clicks extensions.
Extensions can also be written in Java and Python.
So where are the news here?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123199</id>
	<title>"aiming to be ... cross-platform"</title>
	<author>Thornburg</author>
	<datestamp>1243523280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't bother saying anything about KOffice or any other Office product becoming popular until it can be installed on Windows with a setup.exe or an MSI.</p><p>Most of us here love Linux and/or BSD, but no office suite is going anywhere without a fully functional, easy to use Windows version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't bother saying anything about KOffice or any other Office product becoming popular until it can be installed on Windows with a setup.exe or an MSI.Most of us here love Linux and/or BSD , but no office suite is going anywhere without a fully functional , easy to use Windows version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't bother saying anything about KOffice or any other Office product becoming popular until it can be installed on Windows with a setup.exe or an MSI.Most of us here love Linux and/or BSD, but no office suite is going anywhere without a fully functional, easy to use Windows version.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28124165</id>
	<title>Re:AdBlock Plus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243527720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Sweet! Now I can block ads in documents!</p></div></blockquote><p>I see the day coming when this will no longer be funny.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweet !
Now I can block ads in documents ! I see the day coming when this will no longer be funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweet!
Now I can block ads in documents!I see the day coming when this will no longer be funny.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123633</id>
	<title>unreadable hidden comments?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>finally, a method of censorship that we can all live comfortably with? robbIE? remember, your patentdead PostBlock devise is STILL not wwworking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>finally , a method of censorship that we can all live comfortably with ?
robbIE ? remember , your patentdead PostBlock devise is STILL not wwworking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>finally, a method of censorship that we can all live comfortably with?
robbIE? remember, your patentdead PostBlock devise is STILL not wwworking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123737</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>KOffice will not succeed as long at it only runs on Linsux. Where's the support for good, highly secure operating systems like Windows Vista?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>KOffice will not succeed as long at it only runs on Linsux .
Where 's the support for good , highly secure operating systems like Windows Vista ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KOffice will not succeed as long at it only runs on Linsux.
Where's the support for good, highly secure operating systems like Windows Vista?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123123</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123345</id>
	<title>Anybody got RPMs for Fedora?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243524000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd love to try it out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love to try it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love to try it out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123321</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>zander</author>
	<datestamp>1243523820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not sure where you got the impression that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version is a final "please use this for your mission critical work".  That has never been true and nobody every claimed it to be the case. Remember Windows 3.0  ? I don't. I do remember 3.1

<p>Anyway; this is a *platform* release.  Distro's, integrators and developers can now get this and use it.  There will be users that like it, but TFA is being brutally honest that its not for end users.  <br>I don't understand why you seem to be upset.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure where you got the impression that a .0 version is a final " please use this for your mission critical work " .
That has never been true and nobody every claimed it to be the case .
Remember Windows 3.0 ?
I do n't .
I do remember 3.1 Anyway ; this is a * platform * release .
Distro 's , integrators and developers can now get this and use it .
There will be users that like it , but TFA is being brutally honest that its not for end users .
I do n't understand why you seem to be upset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure where you got the impression that a .0 version is a final "please use this for your mission critical work".
That has never been true and nobody every claimed it to be the case.
Remember Windows 3.0  ?
I don't.
I do remember 3.1

Anyway; this is a *platform* release.
Distro's, integrators and developers can now get this and use it.
There will be users that like it, but TFA is being brutally honest that its not for end users.
I don't understand why you seem to be upset.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123209</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28124257</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1243528080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions. It's great that you can tailor it to your own needs but the constant updates (colourful tabs I'm looking at you) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions again</i></p><p>Would you rather not have the extensions?  Or would you rather have extensions you don't want forced on you?</p><p><i>Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.</i></p><p>If you run Debian, you can install noscript and adblock among others through apt. Then it's just one command to install firefox and your extensions, and they're automatically updated whenever you update your system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions .
It 's great that you can tailor it to your own needs but the constant updates ( colourful tabs I 'm looking at you ) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions againWould you rather not have the extensions ?
Or would you rather have extensions you do n't want forced on you ? Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.If you run Debian , you can install noscript and adblock among others through apt .
Then it 's just one command to install firefox and your extensions , and they 're automatically updated whenever you update your system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions.
It's great that you can tailor it to your own needs but the constant updates (colourful tabs I'm looking at you) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions againWould you rather not have the extensions?
Or would you rather have extensions you don't want forced on you?Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.If you run Debian, you can install noscript and adblock among others through apt.
Then it's just one command to install firefox and your extensions, and they're automatically updated whenever you update your system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123539</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1243524780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Remember Windows 3.0 ? I don't. I do remember 3.1</p></div><p>And what about Windows NT 1.0 - or 2.0 or even 3.0 for that matter?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember Windows 3.0 ?
I do n't .
I do remember 3.1And what about Windows NT 1.0 - or 2.0 or even 3.0 for that matter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember Windows 3.0 ?
I don't.
I do remember 3.1And what about Windows NT 1.0 - or 2.0 or even 3.0 for that matter?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123321</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123587</id>
	<title>Re:AdBlock Plus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm waiting for the Comic Sans MS blocker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm waiting for the Comic Sans MS blocker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm waiting for the Comic Sans MS blocker.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123339</id>
	<title>Koffice</title>
	<author>Elektroschock</author>
	<datestamp>1243523940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>KOffice 2.0 is just great, brilliant software. The same done right. But I wonder how KOffice can be moved towards the cloud?</p><p>What happens when Microsoft plays foul with ODF?</p><p>etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>KOffice 2.0 is just great , brilliant software .
The same done right .
But I wonder how KOffice can be moved towards the cloud ? What happens when Microsoft plays foul with ODF ? etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KOffice 2.0 is just great, brilliant software.
The same done right.
But I wonder how KOffice can be moved towards the cloud?What happens when Microsoft plays foul with ODF?etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28139581</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>yuna49</author>
	<datestamp>1243615680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers.</em></p><p>I don't see how package managers could handle Firefox extensions since each user gets to install his or her own set.  Isn't this the only way extensions make sense on a multi-user platform?  I might want to use flashblock, but someone else using this machine may not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers.I do n't see how package managers could handle Firefox extensions since each user gets to install his or her own set .
Is n't this the only way extensions make sense on a multi-user platform ?
I might want to use flashblock , but someone else using this machine may not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers.I don't see how package managers could handle Firefox extensions since each user gets to install his or her own set.
Isn't this the only way extensions make sense on a multi-user platform?
I might want to use flashblock, but someone else using this machine may not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28137715</id>
	<title>MS-Word compatibility?</title>
	<author>Dr. Blue</author>
	<datestamp>1243606800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can anyone with experience with both OpenOffice and KOffice comment on MS-Word compatibility?  I've been having headaches with this lately - I have a large document starting from a large MS-Word template, where I've been working on "my parts" in OpenOffice (under Linux) with the thought of doing a cut-and-paste back into the master document.  I need to do the cut-and-paste using Word in Windows to make sure there aren't any problems, so saved my work in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.DOC format in OpenOffice and went to find a Windows machine (actually, it wasn't that simple - normally I'd do this with my VMWare Windows install, but the master document is apparently so complex that it wouldn't actually open under VMWare - maybe a memory issue?).   On the windows machine, my oo-saved<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file wouldn't open - apparently oo saved a bad<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file...   So now I run back to my office, save in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.odt format, run back to the windows machine and install openoffice (browse the web for a while waiting<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....  la, la, la....), transfer the file.  Now I can have my part open in open office, the master document open in word, and can cut and paste between the two.</p><p>Did it work?  Yes.  Was it a pain?  Definitely yes.  So my question is:  would this have been any easier using KOffice?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can anyone with experience with both OpenOffice and KOffice comment on MS-Word compatibility ?
I 've been having headaches with this lately - I have a large document starting from a large MS-Word template , where I 've been working on " my parts " in OpenOffice ( under Linux ) with the thought of doing a cut-and-paste back into the master document .
I need to do the cut-and-paste using Word in Windows to make sure there are n't any problems , so saved my work in .DOC format in OpenOffice and went to find a Windows machine ( actually , it was n't that simple - normally I 'd do this with my VMWare Windows install , but the master document is apparently so complex that it would n't actually open under VMWare - maybe a memory issue ? ) .
On the windows machine , my oo-saved .doc file would n't open - apparently oo saved a bad .doc file... So now I run back to my office , save in .odt format , run back to the windows machine and install openoffice ( browse the web for a while waiting .... la , la , la.... ) , transfer the file .
Now I can have my part open in open office , the master document open in word , and can cut and paste between the two.Did it work ?
Yes. Was it a pain ?
Definitely yes .
So my question is : would this have been any easier using KOffice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone with experience with both OpenOffice and KOffice comment on MS-Word compatibility?
I've been having headaches with this lately - I have a large document starting from a large MS-Word template, where I've been working on "my parts" in OpenOffice (under Linux) with the thought of doing a cut-and-paste back into the master document.
I need to do the cut-and-paste using Word in Windows to make sure there aren't any problems, so saved my work in .DOC format in OpenOffice and went to find a Windows machine (actually, it wasn't that simple - normally I'd do this with my VMWare Windows install, but the master document is apparently so complex that it wouldn't actually open under VMWare - maybe a memory issue?).
On the windows machine, my oo-saved .doc file wouldn't open - apparently oo saved a bad .doc file...   So now I run back to my office, save in .odt format, run back to the windows machine and install openoffice (browse the web for a while waiting ....  la, la, la....), transfer the file.
Now I can have my part open in open office, the master document open in word, and can cut and paste between the two.Did it work?
Yes.  Was it a pain?
Definitely yes.
So my question is:  would this have been any easier using KOffice?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28150115</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>ion.simon.c</author>
	<datestamp>1243704900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The latest version of OpenSSL is currently 0.9.8k. Should I use it in my production environments?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The latest version of OpenSSL is currently 0.9.8k .
Should I use it in my production environments ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The latest version of OpenSSL is currently 0.9.8k.
Should I use it in my production environments?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28127027</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>gnud</author>
	<datestamp>1243538400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Extensions doesn't break \_my\_ package manager - they install in my ~/.mozilla, as they should (except that it should be $XDG\_DATA\_DIR/mozilla).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Extensions does n't break \ _my \ _ package manager - they install in my ~ /.mozilla , as they should ( except that it should be $ XDG \ _DATA \ _DIR/mozilla ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Extensions doesn't break \_my\_ package manager - they install in my ~/.mozilla, as they should (except that it should be $XDG\_DATA\_DIR/mozilla).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123231</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>SpooForBrains</author>
	<datestamp>1243523400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but what OpenOffice also has, that Koffice currently lacks, is bloat. Lots and lots of bloat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but what OpenOffice also has , that Koffice currently lacks , is bloat .
Lots and lots of bloat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but what OpenOffice also has, that Koffice currently lacks, is bloat.
Lots and lots of bloat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123123</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123839</id>
	<title>Wait for KOffice 2.2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243526340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see a problem.</p><p>The website says <strong> It is not aimed at end users, and we do not recommend Linux distributions to package it as the default office suite yet.</strong></p><p>Clearly learning from the KDE4 debacle, they've named this release "KOffice 2.0".</p><p>More comes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <strong>It is noteworthy that KOffice 2.0 does not have all the features that KOffice 1.6 had.  These features will return in the upcoming versions 2.1 and 2.2</strong></p><p>I.e., like KDE4, don't use the first two releases, wait for the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.2 release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see a problem.The website says It is not aimed at end users , and we do not recommend Linux distributions to package it as the default office suite yet.Clearly learning from the KDE4 debacle , they 've named this release " KOffice 2.0 " .More comes ... It is noteworthy that KOffice 2.0 does not have all the features that KOffice 1.6 had .
These features will return in the upcoming versions 2.1 and 2.2I.e. , like KDE4 , do n't use the first two releases , wait for the .2 release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see a problem.The website says  It is not aimed at end users, and we do not recommend Linux distributions to package it as the default office suite yet.Clearly learning from the KDE4 debacle, they've named this release "KOffice 2.0".More comes ... It is noteworthy that KOffice 2.0 does not have all the features that KOffice 1.6 had.
These features will return in the upcoming versions 2.1 and 2.2I.e., like KDE4, don't use the first two releases, wait for the .2 release.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28134749</id>
	<title>How well does it read and write MS Office files?</title>
	<author>Frantactical Fruke</author>
	<datestamp>1243532220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately that is the first criterion by which I must judge an office suite. I see the occasional customer accidentally saving files as DOCX, but nobody has ever asked me whether I do OASIS documents, as well. So any word processor I use must first scale that mountainous mess of MS file formats to be at all useful to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately that is the first criterion by which I must judge an office suite .
I see the occasional customer accidentally saving files as DOCX , but nobody has ever asked me whether I do OASIS documents , as well .
So any word processor I use must first scale that mountainous mess of MS file formats to be at all useful to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately that is the first criterion by which I must judge an office suite.
I see the occasional customer accidentally saving files as DOCX, but nobody has ever asked me whether I do OASIS documents, as well.
So any word processor I use must first scale that mountainous mess of MS file formats to be at all useful to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28128541</id>
	<title>Re:"aiming to be ... cross-platform"</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1243542540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yawn. I'm not interested in whether or not KOffice is now or ever becomes popular. I'd rather it be <i>good.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yawn .
I 'm not interested in whether or not KOffice is now or ever becomes popular .
I 'd rather it be good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yawn.
I'm not interested in whether or not KOffice is now or ever becomes popular.
I'd rather it be good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28124407</id>
	<title>It's because of MS Office</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1243528620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having MS Office and IE objects be scriptable via COM is one of the great success stories in Windows.  It's funny though, now that everyone in the Windows world has moved on from Office scripting, everyone in the Linux world, who used to mock interpreted language bindings, suddenly now has to have it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having MS Office and IE objects be scriptable via COM is one of the great success stories in Windows .
It 's funny though , now that everyone in the Windows world has moved on from Office scripting , everyone in the Linux world , who used to mock interpreted language bindings , suddenly now has to have it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having MS Office and IE objects be scriptable via COM is one of the great success stories in Windows.
It's funny though, now that everyone in the Windows world has moved on from Office scripting, everyone in the Linux world, who used to mock interpreted language bindings, suddenly now has to have it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28125455</id>
	<title>Denial...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243533060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Huh.  Sorry, that's complete bullshit.  While everyone knows that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version may have bugs, it's also expected that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version *will* be ready for prime time.  If it's not, it should have an alpha or beta moniker.</p></div><p>I appreciate your opinion, and I even understand your point of view.  Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for <i>your</i> benefit?  There are integrators, developers and others that need this release. And you should try it, you might even like it. Depending on how many features you actually use from an office suite.</p></div><p>What? No one is saying that it shouldn't be released... Why are you warping things to make it seem like that? What they are trying to pound into your tiny head is that the version should be properly labeled as what it is, and you are in such denial that you will never admit that they are right...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh .
Sorry , that 's complete bullshit .
While everyone knows that a .0 version may have bugs , it 's also expected that a .0 version * will * be ready for prime time .
If it 's not , it should have an alpha or beta moniker.I appreciate your opinion , and I even understand your point of view .
Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for your benefit ?
There are integrators , developers and others that need this release .
And you should try it , you might even like it .
Depending on how many features you actually use from an office suite.What ?
No one is saying that it should n't be released... Why are you warping things to make it seem like that ?
What they are trying to pound into your tiny head is that the version should be properly labeled as what it is , and you are in such denial that you will never admit that they are right.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh.
Sorry, that's complete bullshit.
While everyone knows that a .0 version may have bugs, it's also expected that a .0 version *will* be ready for prime time.
If it's not, it should have an alpha or beta moniker.I appreciate your opinion, and I even understand your point of view.
Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for your benefit?
There are integrators, developers and others that need this release.
And you should try it, you might even like it.
Depending on how many features you actually use from an office suite.What?
No one is saying that it shouldn't be released... Why are you warping things to make it seem like that?
What they are trying to pound into your tiny head is that the version should be properly labeled as what it is, and you are in such denial that you will never admit that they are right...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28125001</id>
	<title>Finally!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1243531200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been waiting for the Firefox extensions idea to spread to other software since it came out!</p><p>Sadly I have no time, to realize my dream, of re-implementing the coolest UI features of Lotus WordPro in KOffice. (Eg. InfoBox, but with keyboard-<em>only</em> control. [To minimize the keyboard-mouse switches, but maximize the usability trough showing what's available.])</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been waiting for the Firefox extensions idea to spread to other software since it came out ! Sadly I have no time , to realize my dream , of re-implementing the coolest UI features of Lotus WordPro in KOffice .
( Eg. InfoBox , but with keyboard-only control .
[ To minimize the keyboard-mouse switches , but maximize the usability trough showing what 's available .
] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been waiting for the Firefox extensions idea to spread to other software since it came out!Sadly I have no time, to realize my dream, of re-implementing the coolest UI features of Lotus WordPro in KOffice.
(Eg. InfoBox, but with keyboard-only control.
[To minimize the keyboard-mouse switches, but maximize the usability trough showing what's available.
])</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28124377</id>
	<title>Kriminy Kill the Kiddie K!!!</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1243528500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This whole "K" thing has gone on too far.  Sounds like a "K" iddie Mar"K"eting effort, and undermines everything they do.</p><p>I wish they would do something with KDevelop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This whole " K " thing has gone on too far .
Sounds like a " K " iddie Mar " K " eting effort , and undermines everything they do.I wish they would do something with KDevelop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This whole "K" thing has gone on too far.
Sounds like a "K" iddie Mar"K"eting effort, and undermines everything they do.I wish they would do something with KDevelop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123619</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>Philip K Dickhead</author>
	<datestamp>1243525260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bloat?  == Functionality.</p><p>I will give you a specific example, from among thousands.</p><p>Open/Star Office handles - easily - RTL languages and the alternative typefaces and ligatures used with them.  It has a fantastic facility for mixed, RTL/LTR documents.  The toolbar icons even dynamically swap orientation for indenting, justifying, etc., when switching text direction.</p><p>As someone who has struggled with the crap support for this in MS Word on Windows NT through 7, and the NONEXISTANT RTL capability of Word on OS X, I am very happy that OOo can do this handily, with consistant functionality - regardless of OS.</p><p>OOo has been a superior tool for at least 3 years.  MS has given up polishing the core turd, and is adding business/technology value in collaborative computing and advanced document management, rather than refining core text handling capability.  They know where the Enterprise dollar will come from.</p><p>So, whinge about bloat as you will, with your Terabyte-sized SATA drive!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bloat ?
= = Functionality.I will give you a specific example , from among thousands.Open/Star Office handles - easily - RTL languages and the alternative typefaces and ligatures used with them .
It has a fantastic facility for mixed , RTL/LTR documents .
The toolbar icons even dynamically swap orientation for indenting , justifying , etc. , when switching text direction.As someone who has struggled with the crap support for this in MS Word on Windows NT through 7 , and the NONEXISTANT RTL capability of Word on OS X , I am very happy that OOo can do this handily , with consistant functionality - regardless of OS.OOo has been a superior tool for at least 3 years .
MS has given up polishing the core turd , and is adding business/technology value in collaborative computing and advanced document management , rather than refining core text handling capability .
They know where the Enterprise dollar will come from.So , whinge about bloat as you will , with your Terabyte-sized SATA drive !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bloat?
== Functionality.I will give you a specific example, from among thousands.Open/Star Office handles - easily - RTL languages and the alternative typefaces and ligatures used with them.
It has a fantastic facility for mixed, RTL/LTR documents.
The toolbar icons even dynamically swap orientation for indenting, justifying, etc., when switching text direction.As someone who has struggled with the crap support for this in MS Word on Windows NT through 7, and the NONEXISTANT RTL capability of Word on OS X, I am very happy that OOo can do this handily, with consistant functionality - regardless of OS.OOo has been a superior tool for at least 3 years.
MS has given up polishing the core turd, and is adding business/technology value in collaborative computing and advanced document management, rather than refining core text handling capability.
They know where the Enterprise dollar will come from.So, whinge about bloat as you will, with your Terabyte-sized SATA drive!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123123</id>
	<title>Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243522920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>An online repository of extensions, templates, and content for KOffice? I like the sound of that."</p></div><p>OMG!!! An online repository of extensions?!?!?!  It's not like OpenOffice.org hasn't had that for ages.  <a href="http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/" title="openoffice.org" rel="nofollow">Oh wait...</a> [openoffice.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An online repository of extensions , templates , and content for KOffice ?
I like the sound of that. " OMG ! ! !
An online repository of extensions ? ! ? ! ? !
It 's not like OpenOffice.org has n't had that for ages .
Oh wait... [ openoffice.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An online repository of extensions, templates, and content for KOffice?
I like the sound of that."OMG!!!
An online repository of extensions?!?!?!
It's not like OpenOffice.org hasn't had that for ages.
Oh wait... [openoffice.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28126199</id>
	<title>Konqueror</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243535760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When will we see Konqueror have the ability to run Firefox-like extensions and javascript? The ability to execute shell commands is powerful, but why needlesslyreplicate the thousands of Firtefox extensions? Or maybe what is needed is KDE4 integration for Firefox. i.e. KDE-specific Firefox extensions to access the KDE environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When will we see Konqueror have the ability to run Firefox-like extensions and javascript ?
The ability to execute shell commands is powerful , but why needlesslyreplicate the thousands of Firtefox extensions ?
Or maybe what is needed is KDE4 integration for Firefox .
i.e. KDE-specific Firefox extensions to access the KDE environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will we see Konqueror have the ability to run Firefox-like extensions and javascript?
The ability to execute shell commands is powerful, but why needlesslyreplicate the thousands of Firtefox extensions?
Or maybe what is needed is KDE4 integration for Firefox.
i.e. KDE-specific Firefox extensions to access the KDE environment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123609</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1243525200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bloat for you and me is a necessary feature for someone else, and vice-versa. The real issue is this: is the interface intuitive enough to not overwhelm the user, and is it spaghetti code or modular enough that unneeded/unused parts do not have to be loaded into RAM at run time?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bloat for you and me is a necessary feature for someone else , and vice-versa .
The real issue is this : is the interface intuitive enough to not overwhelm the user , and is it spaghetti code or modular enough that unneeded/unused parts do not have to be loaded into RAM at run time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bloat for you and me is a necessary feature for someone else, and vice-versa.
The real issue is this: is the interface intuitive enough to not overwhelm the user, and is it spaghetti code or modular enough that unneeded/unused parts do not have to be loaded into RAM at run time?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28128005</id>
	<title>Just keep aseigo away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243541160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as Aaron "New Paradigm" Seigo isn't involved in the KOffice suite, it might turn out ok.  Seigo would try and turn the word processor into some sort of social networking web 2.0 widget fest.  "Each letter in the document is a widget, and can be rotated and transformed into a moon phase clock.  Of course, none of this actually works yet, but I blame that on nvidia drivers."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as Aaron " New Paradigm " Seigo is n't involved in the KOffice suite , it might turn out ok. Seigo would try and turn the word processor into some sort of social networking web 2.0 widget fest .
" Each letter in the document is a widget , and can be rotated and transformed into a moon phase clock .
Of course , none of this actually works yet , but I blame that on nvidia drivers .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as Aaron "New Paradigm" Seigo isn't involved in the KOffice suite, it might turn out ok.  Seigo would try and turn the word processor into some sort of social networking web 2.0 widget fest.
"Each letter in the document is a widget, and can be rotated and transformed into a moon phase clock.
Of course, none of this actually works yet, but I blame that on nvidia drivers.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28125253</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243532220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no versioning standard.<br>
Ubuntu uses year.month.<br>
Linux doesn't seem to ever change the major or minor version, using 2.6.x, seemingly for values of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.x up to infinity<br>
KDE/KOffice apparently uses: <br>
x.0 for alpha<br>
x.1 for beta<br>
x.2 for release candidate<br>
x.3 for useable<br>
x.4 for deprecated, only working on y.0 now</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no versioning standard .
Ubuntu uses year.month .
Linux does n't seem to ever change the major or minor version , using 2.6.x , seemingly for values of .x up to infinity KDE/KOffice apparently uses : x.0 for alpha x.1 for beta x.2 for release candidate x.3 for useable x.4 for deprecated , only working on y.0 now</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no versioning standard.
Ubuntu uses year.month.
Linux doesn't seem to ever change the major or minor version, using 2.6.x, seemingly for values of .x up to infinity
KDE/KOffice apparently uses: 
x.0 for alpha
x.1 for beta
x.2 for release candidate
x.3 for useable
x.4 for deprecated, only working on y.0 now</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28130753</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>Will.Woodhull</author>
	<datestamp>1243507620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While everyone knows that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version may have bugs, it's also expected that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version *will* be ready for prime time. If it's not, it should have an alpha or beta moniker.</p></div><p>Maybe in your world, but not in mine.

</p><p>I would be very disappointed with a 1.9.x version that was a beta of a 2.0 major break rather than an elegant expression of the 1.xx series. I sometimes do upgrade minor releases of software that isn't critical to my work without paying much attention to the release notes. But I do expect to have to read the release notes on an x.0 release carefully. KOffice makes it very clear that this is an early beta, something for developers to look at to see if they might want to shape their products around it. Not something I want to mess with, yet, but I do look forward to the 2.1 release. OOo has been good, but I'd love to see a more modular approach.

</p><p>How many projects use even numbers for unstable releases and odd numbers for end-user oriented releases? I think a fair number do that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While everyone knows that a .0 version may have bugs , it 's also expected that a .0 version * will * be ready for prime time .
If it 's not , it should have an alpha or beta moniker.Maybe in your world , but not in mine .
I would be very disappointed with a 1.9.x version that was a beta of a 2.0 major break rather than an elegant expression of the 1.xx series .
I sometimes do upgrade minor releases of software that is n't critical to my work without paying much attention to the release notes .
But I do expect to have to read the release notes on an x.0 release carefully .
KOffice makes it very clear that this is an early beta , something for developers to look at to see if they might want to shape their products around it .
Not something I want to mess with , yet , but I do look forward to the 2.1 release .
OOo has been good , but I 'd love to see a more modular approach .
How many projects use even numbers for unstable releases and odd numbers for end-user oriented releases ?
I think a fair number do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While everyone knows that a .0 version may have bugs, it's also expected that a .0 version *will* be ready for prime time.
If it's not, it should have an alpha or beta moniker.Maybe in your world, but not in mine.
I would be very disappointed with a 1.9.x version that was a beta of a 2.0 major break rather than an elegant expression of the 1.xx series.
I sometimes do upgrade minor releases of software that isn't critical to my work without paying much attention to the release notes.
But I do expect to have to read the release notes on an x.0 release carefully.
KOffice makes it very clear that this is an early beta, something for developers to look at to see if they might want to shape their products around it.
Not something I want to mess with, yet, but I do look forward to the 2.1 release.
OOo has been good, but I'd love to see a more modular approach.
How many projects use even numbers for unstable releases and odd numbers for end-user oriented releases?
I think a fair number do that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123253</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>zander</author>
	<datestamp>1243523520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Plugins and extensions as used by openoffice are quite less powerful than what firefox and koffice have.
For example this is cool usecase that someone hacked already before we released; <a href="http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/hacking/musicflake1.html" title="valdyas.org">http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/hacking/musicflake1.html</a> [valdyas.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plugins and extensions as used by openoffice are quite less powerful than what firefox and koffice have .
For example this is cool usecase that someone hacked already before we released ; http : //www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/hacking/musicflake1.html [ valdyas.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plugins and extensions as used by openoffice are quite less powerful than what firefox and koffice have.
For example this is cool usecase that someone hacked already before we released; http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/hacking/musicflake1.html [valdyas.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28127225</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243538940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back up your firefox user folders before you do a fresh install. Every time i do a fresh install, i just backup my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home/user/.mozilla, and all my extensions come with it. I think you can do the same thing with the Application Data folder in windows xp, but I'm not sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back up your firefox user folders before you do a fresh install .
Every time i do a fresh install , i just backup my /home/user/.mozilla , and all my extensions come with it .
I think you can do the same thing with the Application Data folder in windows xp , but I 'm not sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back up your firefox user folders before you do a fresh install.
Every time i do a fresh install, i just backup my /home/user/.mozilla, and all my extensions come with it.
I think you can do the same thing with the Application Data folder in windows xp, but I'm not sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123953</id>
	<title>Re:AdBlock Plus</title>
	<author>sckeener</author>
	<datestamp>1243526880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>funny, but I can see addins that give a right click option to preform some standard spreadsheet function or an addin for firefox that shoots the contents of a webpage to koffice that then runs an addin to massage the data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>funny , but I can see addins that give a right click option to preform some standard spreadsheet function or an addin for firefox that shoots the contents of a webpage to koffice that then runs an addin to massage the data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>funny, but I can see addins that give a right click option to preform some standard spreadsheet function or an addin for firefox that shoots the contents of a webpage to koffice that then runs an addin to massage the data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28133403</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1243521240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What's with this obsession people seem to have with extensions all of a suddenly. I don't want to manage a pile of extensions all the time I want all the core functionality built in.</p></div></blockquote><p>The problem is what happens when you and I have a completely different view of what constitutes "core functionality"? Should we just build every concept and feature directly into the application? Somehow I think your tune would be a lot different if Firefox came with its 1000+ extensions built right into the browser and enabled by default.</p><p>Also, what happens when somebody has a great idea for a modification to the software that would be immensely useful to a small subset of users but not at all useful for anyone else? Sure they could release their own Firefox but I'm sure you can see the many reasons that would be an untenable option for just about everyone involved.</p><blockquote><div><p>I can't help feeling this is yet another situation where choice and configurability is being touted as a good thing when actually it's a problem because there is simply too much of it.</p></div></blockquote><p>Huh? How can there be such a thing as too much choice? It's not as if you're being asked to opt-out of all the extensions. You have to go looking for them in order to install them. If you think that's hard, then buddy, there's nothing I can do to help you.</p><blockquote><div><p>IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions. It's great that you can tailor it to your own needs</p></div></blockquote><p>So choice and configuration are a problem. But tailoring software to your needs is good. Firefox extensions are bad. Yet you apparently use them. What part of this am I not quite getting?</p><blockquote><div><p> but the constant updates (colourful tabs I'm looking at you) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions again.</p></div></blockquote><p>1) Put the extensions you use on a flash drive or wherever you can easily access them from a fresh install.<br>2) Turn off updates.</p><p>Problem solved!</p><blockquote><div><p>Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is an interesting idea. But unfortunately it's completely worthless if you haven't submitted it to the Firefox developers or someone else willing to implement it and create a patch (assuming you're not up to the programming task yourself).</p><blockquote><div><p>The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers. Hopefully as KOffice is a core package there will be some common sense applied. If you look at the Eclipse packages some extensions are packaged but most aren't pretty much defeating the whole point of using the distro package repository (and they are horribly out of date).</p></div></blockquote><p>This is not a problem with the concept or idea of extensions but with the package management on your operating system. Again, assuming you paid nothing for the software in question, this is a case of reporting the problem to the maintainers or fixing it yourself and submitting your work. (Or finding something else that suits your needs better.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's with this obsession people seem to have with extensions all of a suddenly .
I do n't want to manage a pile of extensions all the time I want all the core functionality built in.The problem is what happens when you and I have a completely different view of what constitutes " core functionality " ?
Should we just build every concept and feature directly into the application ?
Somehow I think your tune would be a lot different if Firefox came with its 1000 + extensions built right into the browser and enabled by default.Also , what happens when somebody has a great idea for a modification to the software that would be immensely useful to a small subset of users but not at all useful for anyone else ?
Sure they could release their own Firefox but I 'm sure you can see the many reasons that would be an untenable option for just about everyone involved.I ca n't help feeling this is yet another situation where choice and configurability is being touted as a good thing when actually it 's a problem because there is simply too much of it.Huh ?
How can there be such a thing as too much choice ?
It 's not as if you 're being asked to opt-out of all the extensions .
You have to go looking for them in order to install them .
If you think that 's hard , then buddy , there 's nothing I can do to help you.IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions .
It 's great that you can tailor it to your own needsSo choice and configuration are a problem .
But tailoring software to your needs is good .
Firefox extensions are bad .
Yet you apparently use them .
What part of this am I not quite getting ?
but the constant updates ( colourful tabs I 'm looking at you ) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions again.1 ) Put the extensions you use on a flash drive or wherever you can easily access them from a fresh install.2 ) Turn off updates.Problem solved ! Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.This is an interesting idea .
But unfortunately it 's completely worthless if you have n't submitted it to the Firefox developers or someone else willing to implement it and create a patch ( assuming you 're not up to the programming task yourself ) .The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers .
Hopefully as KOffice is a core package there will be some common sense applied .
If you look at the Eclipse packages some extensions are packaged but most are n't pretty much defeating the whole point of using the distro package repository ( and they are horribly out of date ) .This is not a problem with the concept or idea of extensions but with the package management on your operating system .
Again , assuming you paid nothing for the software in question , this is a case of reporting the problem to the maintainers or fixing it yourself and submitting your work .
( Or finding something else that suits your needs better .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's with this obsession people seem to have with extensions all of a suddenly.
I don't want to manage a pile of extensions all the time I want all the core functionality built in.The problem is what happens when you and I have a completely different view of what constitutes "core functionality"?
Should we just build every concept and feature directly into the application?
Somehow I think your tune would be a lot different if Firefox came with its 1000+ extensions built right into the browser and enabled by default.Also, what happens when somebody has a great idea for a modification to the software that would be immensely useful to a small subset of users but not at all useful for anyone else?
Sure they could release their own Firefox but I'm sure you can see the many reasons that would be an untenable option for just about everyone involved.I can't help feeling this is yet another situation where choice and configurability is being touted as a good thing when actually it's a problem because there is simply too much of it.Huh?
How can there be such a thing as too much choice?
It's not as if you're being asked to opt-out of all the extensions.
You have to go looking for them in order to install them.
If you think that's hard, then buddy, there's nothing I can do to help you.IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions.
It's great that you can tailor it to your own needsSo choice and configuration are a problem.
But tailoring software to your needs is good.
Firefox extensions are bad.
Yet you apparently use them.
What part of this am I not quite getting?
but the constant updates (colourful tabs I'm looking at you) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions again.1) Put the extensions you use on a flash drive or wherever you can easily access them from a fresh install.2) Turn off updates.Problem solved!Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.This is an interesting idea.
But unfortunately it's completely worthless if you haven't submitted it to the Firefox developers or someone else willing to implement it and create a patch (assuming you're not up to the programming task yourself).The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers.
Hopefully as KOffice is a core package there will be some common sense applied.
If you look at the Eclipse packages some extensions are packaged but most aren't pretty much defeating the whole point of using the distro package repository (and they are horribly out of date).This is not a problem with the concept or idea of extensions but with the package management on your operating system.
Again, assuming you paid nothing for the software in question, this is a case of reporting the problem to the maintainers or fixing it yourself and submitting your work.
(Or finding something else that suits your needs better.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123837</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>alexandre\_ganso</author>
	<datestamp>1243526340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, what are the dependencies for it on, say, windows, mac or the default ubuntu install?</p><p>I assume some stuff from kde must come too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , what are the dependencies for it on , say , windows , mac or the default ubuntu install ? I assume some stuff from kde must come too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, what are the dependencies for it on, say, windows, mac or the default ubuntu install?I assume some stuff from kde must come too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123243</id>
	<title>AdBlock Plus</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1243523400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sweet! Now I can block ads in documents!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweet !
Now I can block ads in documents !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweet!
Now I can block ads in documents!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123755</id>
	<title>cross-platform?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"aiming to be a lightweight, <b>cross-platform</b> office suite</i>
<br> <br>
No offense, but where is the windows version? Or a version for any other *n*x, all i see is 3 popular linux distributions listed.. If it wants to take over the world, real cross-platform support would be a pre. Sorry for being pragmatic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" aiming to be a lightweight , cross-platform office suite No offense , but where is the windows version ?
Or a version for any other * n * x , all i see is 3 popular linux distributions listed.. If it wants to take over the world , real cross-platform support would be a pre .
Sorry for being pragmatic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"aiming to be a lightweight, cross-platform office suite
 
No offense, but where is the windows version?
Or a version for any other *n*x, all i see is 3 popular linux distributions listed.. If it wants to take over the world, real cross-platform support would be a pre.
Sorry for being pragmatic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28133453</id>
	<title>On windows : Already done. All 3 of them.</title>
	<author>DrYak</author>
	<datestamp>1243521660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't bother saying anything about KOffice or any other Office product becoming popular until it can be installed on Windows with a setup.exe or an MSI.</p></div><p>- First as you said yourself in your follow-up : KOffice is part of the KDE software that can be <a href="http://windows.kde.org/" title="kde.org">installed on Windows</a> [kde.org] with their package manager.</p><p>- OpenOffice.org<br><a href="http://download.openoffice.org/index.html" title="openoffice.org">Installs on Windows with a very standard installer</a> [openoffice.org].<br>The only minor problem in my opinion is getting the plugins. It uses the kind of plugin manager as the older versions of FireFox (you can't directly search and browse the installable plugins from there, <a href="http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/" title="openoffice.org">you have to go to a website first</a> [openoffice.org]). Also the plugin manager doesn't help you to restart the "quicklaunch" if a restart is needed.<br>It cool be great if I could install <a href="http://www.languagetool.org/" title="languagetool.org">LanguageTool</a> [languagetool.org] with a simple click from within the manager, the same way as AdBlock+ in recent versions of Firefox. But I'm nit-picking. Back to the subject.</p><p>- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome\_Office" title="wikipedia.org">Gnome Office</a> [wikipedia.org] :<br>It's not an actual suite, its a lose collection of separate software that cover the needs of an Office suit. All use the same library underneath (GTK+) which has been ported to windows since ages (back at the begining of the GIMP on Windows port). As such you can find installers for :<br>- <a href="http://www.abisource.com/download/" title="abisource.com">AbiWord</a> [abisource.com] (word processing)<br>- <a href="http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/downloads.shtml" title="gnome.org">Gnumeric</a> [gnome.org] (spreadsheet whose accurate statistic formula are done in collaboration with <a href="http://www.r-project.org/" title="r-project.org">R</a> [r-project.org] projet)<br>(and probably other GTK stuff if you need them).<br>In fact, as they are small separate software with a very small footprint (compared to behemoths like OO.o), they are quite popular and often recommended for people wanting to build for free small lightweight Windows installation on underpowered hardware.</p><p>- For the VI vs. Emacs flamewar combatant out there (the kind who'll immediately scream that they don't need an actual office suite as every needed function and even more is available in some Emacs mode/Vim plugin), both softwares are also available for Windows, if that's your kick. (And yes, I'm not sarcastic. I'm definitely sure that here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. you'll find at least a dozen of people who can be more productive with a complex emacs-based stack).</p><p>So as we can see, the three major players of Linux/BSD's office suites (and the two editors behind most holy wars) are installable on Windows (and on Mac OS X for that matters too).<br>Yes they are indeed cross-platform.</p><p>KOffice was more of a problem until recently the whole KDE switched to Qt4 during is 4.x branch and took opportunity of the major overhaul to be rebuilt with cross-platfrom portability in mind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't bother saying anything about KOffice or any other Office product becoming popular until it can be installed on Windows with a setup.exe or an MSI.- First as you said yourself in your follow-up : KOffice is part of the KDE software that can be installed on Windows [ kde.org ] with their package manager.- OpenOffice.orgInstalls on Windows with a very standard installer [ openoffice.org ] .The only minor problem in my opinion is getting the plugins .
It uses the kind of plugin manager as the older versions of FireFox ( you ca n't directly search and browse the installable plugins from there , you have to go to a website first [ openoffice.org ] ) .
Also the plugin manager does n't help you to restart the " quicklaunch " if a restart is needed.It cool be great if I could install LanguageTool [ languagetool.org ] with a simple click from within the manager , the same way as AdBlock + in recent versions of Firefox .
But I 'm nit-picking .
Back to the subject.- Gnome Office [ wikipedia.org ] : It 's not an actual suite , its a lose collection of separate software that cover the needs of an Office suit .
All use the same library underneath ( GTK + ) which has been ported to windows since ages ( back at the begining of the GIMP on Windows port ) .
As such you can find installers for : - AbiWord [ abisource.com ] ( word processing ) - Gnumeric [ gnome.org ] ( spreadsheet whose accurate statistic formula are done in collaboration with R [ r-project.org ] projet ) ( and probably other GTK stuff if you need them ) .In fact , as they are small separate software with a very small footprint ( compared to behemoths like OO.o ) , they are quite popular and often recommended for people wanting to build for free small lightweight Windows installation on underpowered hardware.- For the VI vs. Emacs flamewar combatant out there ( the kind who 'll immediately scream that they do n't need an actual office suite as every needed function and even more is available in some Emacs mode/Vim plugin ) , both softwares are also available for Windows , if that 's your kick .
( And yes , I 'm not sarcastic .
I 'm definitely sure that here on / .
you 'll find at least a dozen of people who can be more productive with a complex emacs-based stack ) .So as we can see , the three major players of Linux/BSD 's office suites ( and the two editors behind most holy wars ) are installable on Windows ( and on Mac OS X for that matters too ) .Yes they are indeed cross-platform.KOffice was more of a problem until recently the whole KDE switched to Qt4 during is 4.x branch and took opportunity of the major overhaul to be rebuilt with cross-platfrom portability in mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't bother saying anything about KOffice or any other Office product becoming popular until it can be installed on Windows with a setup.exe or an MSI.- First as you said yourself in your follow-up : KOffice is part of the KDE software that can be installed on Windows [kde.org] with their package manager.- OpenOffice.orgInstalls on Windows with a very standard installer [openoffice.org].The only minor problem in my opinion is getting the plugins.
It uses the kind of plugin manager as the older versions of FireFox (you can't directly search and browse the installable plugins from there, you have to go to a website first [openoffice.org]).
Also the plugin manager doesn't help you to restart the "quicklaunch" if a restart is needed.It cool be great if I could install LanguageTool [languagetool.org] with a simple click from within the manager, the same way as AdBlock+ in recent versions of Firefox.
But I'm nit-picking.
Back to the subject.- Gnome Office [wikipedia.org] :It's not an actual suite, its a lose collection of separate software that cover the needs of an Office suit.
All use the same library underneath (GTK+) which has been ported to windows since ages (back at the begining of the GIMP on Windows port).
As such you can find installers for :- AbiWord [abisource.com] (word processing)- Gnumeric [gnome.org] (spreadsheet whose accurate statistic formula are done in collaboration with R [r-project.org] projet)(and probably other GTK stuff if you need them).In fact, as they are small separate software with a very small footprint (compared to behemoths like OO.o), they are quite popular and often recommended for people wanting to build for free small lightweight Windows installation on underpowered hardware.- For the VI vs. Emacs flamewar combatant out there (the kind who'll immediately scream that they don't need an actual office suite as every needed function and even more is available in some Emacs mode/Vim plugin), both softwares are also available for Windows, if that's your kick.
(And yes, I'm not sarcastic.
I'm definitely sure that here on /.
you'll find at least a dozen of people who can be more productive with a complex emacs-based stack).So as we can see, the three major players of Linux/BSD's office suites (and the two editors behind most holy wars) are installable on Windows (and on Mac OS X for that matters too).Yes they are indeed cross-platform.KOffice was more of a problem until recently the whole KDE switched to Qt4 during is 4.x branch and took opportunity of the major overhaul to be rebuilt with cross-platfrom portability in mind.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28129455</id>
	<title>Klippy!</title>
	<author>joib</author>
	<datestamp>1243502280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Allow plugins, and somebody is bound to do it, plunging the FOSS world into a deep and evil darkness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Allow plugins , and somebody is bound to do it , plunging the FOSS world into a deep and evil darkness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Allow plugins, and somebody is bound to do it, plunging the FOSS world into a deep and evil darkness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28179325</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1243938900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Modular would be very good for this kind of software, look at the linux kernel as an example...<br>Modules can be loaded at runtime, or disabled completely at compiletime... With typical office software, 99\% of users would only have the core functionality and one or two modules loaded. Customised builds could build in the functions *they* require for performance, and remove unnecessary stuff completely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Modular would be very good for this kind of software , look at the linux kernel as an example...Modules can be loaded at runtime , or disabled completely at compiletime... With typical office software , 99 \ % of users would only have the core functionality and one or two modules loaded .
Customised builds could build in the functions * they * require for performance , and remove unnecessary stuff completely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modular would be very good for this kind of software, look at the linux kernel as an example...Modules can be loaded at runtime, or disabled completely at compiletime... With typical office software, 99\% of users would only have the core functionality and one or two modules loaded.
Customised builds could build in the functions *they* require for performance, and remove unnecessary stuff completely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28134809</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243532640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh quit using it on ancient technology. OpenOffice works like a dream on my machine and all I have is 8 gigs of RAM and a core 2 - quad processor. It loads up in like 3 seconds. Quit using your TRS-80 to run open office on. Sheesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh quit using it on ancient technology .
OpenOffice works like a dream on my machine and all I have is 8 gigs of RAM and a core 2 - quad processor .
It loads up in like 3 seconds .
Quit using your TRS-80 to run open office on .
Sheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh quit using it on ancient technology.
OpenOffice works like a dream on my machine and all I have is 8 gigs of RAM and a core 2 - quad processor.
It loads up in like 3 seconds.
Quit using your TRS-80 to run open office on.
Sheesh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28126039</id>
	<title>an example of SVG also showing up in office suites</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243535220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.planetsvg.com/blog/14956/k-office-20-released-more-svg" title="planetsvg.com" rel="nofollow">K Office 2.0 released; more SVG</a> [planetsvg.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>K Office 2.0 released ; more SVG [ planetsvg.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>K Office 2.0 released; more SVG [planetsvg.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123661</id>
	<title>Re:AdBlock Plus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243525440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmm.  I wonder if I could get someone to sponsor my weekly status reports...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm .
I wonder if I could get someone to sponsor my weekly status reports.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm.
I wonder if I could get someone to sponsor my weekly status reports...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28124447</id>
	<title>Their strong point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243528800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the main point they've got going for them isn't the featureset, but the fact that the developers don't appear to hate their users with a passion, as opposed to two other major office suites that I won't mention here. Maybe they can use that to listen to their users better and swim faster to perfection, or maybe they're too far behind already. I don't know. But I still like their devs better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the main point they 've got going for them is n't the featureset , but the fact that the developers do n't appear to hate their users with a passion , as opposed to two other major office suites that I wo n't mention here .
Maybe they can use that to listen to their users better and swim faster to perfection , or maybe they 're too far behind already .
I do n't know .
But I still like their devs better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the main point they've got going for them isn't the featureset, but the fact that the developers don't appear to hate their users with a passion, as opposed to two other major office suites that I won't mention here.
Maybe they can use that to listen to their users better and swim faster to perfection, or maybe they're too far behind already.
I don't know.
But I still like their devs better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123629</id>
	<title>Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>squoozer</author>
	<datestamp>1243525320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's with this obsession people seem to have with extensions all of a suddenly. I don't want to manage a pile of extensions all the time I want all the core functionality built in. I don't care too much about bloat, memory is dirt cheap and even the lowest spec (desktop) machine I would ever use now is more than a match for a full on office suite. I can't help feeling this is yet another situation where choice and configurability is being touted as a good thing when actually it's a problem because there is simply too much of it.</p><p>IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions. It's great that you can tailor it to your own needs but the constant updates (colourful tabs I'm looking at you) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions again. Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.</p><p>The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers. Hopefully as KOffice is a core package there will be some common sense applied. If you look at the Eclipse packages some extensions are packaged but most aren't pretty much defeating the whole point of using the distro package repository (and they are horribly out of date).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's with this obsession people seem to have with extensions all of a suddenly .
I do n't want to manage a pile of extensions all the time I want all the core functionality built in .
I do n't care too much about bloat , memory is dirt cheap and even the lowest spec ( desktop ) machine I would ever use now is more than a match for a full on office suite .
I ca n't help feeling this is yet another situation where choice and configurability is being touted as a good thing when actually it 's a problem because there is simply too much of it.IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions .
It 's great that you can tailor it to your own needs but the constant updates ( colourful tabs I 'm looking at you ) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions again .
Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers .
Hopefully as KOffice is a core package there will be some common sense applied .
If you look at the Eclipse packages some extensions are packaged but most are n't pretty much defeating the whole point of using the distro package repository ( and they are horribly out of date ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's with this obsession people seem to have with extensions all of a suddenly.
I don't want to manage a pile of extensions all the time I want all the core functionality built in.
I don't care too much about bloat, memory is dirt cheap and even the lowest spec (desktop) machine I would ever use now is more than a match for a full on office suite.
I can't help feeling this is yet another situation where choice and configurability is being touted as a good thing when actually it's a problem because there is simply too much of it.IMHO the worst feature of Firefox is extensions.
It's great that you can tailor it to your own needs but the constant updates (colourful tabs I'm looking at you) drive me round the bend and a fresh install on a machine means half an hour finding and downloading all those extensions again.
Perhaps it would be more acceptable if there was a way of just indicating that updates should be automatically installed and providing a simple list of extensions to install on first execution.The other problem I find with extensions is the way they break package managers.
Hopefully as KOffice is a core package there will be some common sense applied.
If you look at the Eclipse packages some extensions are packaged but most aren't pretty much defeating the whole point of using the distro package repository (and they are horribly out of date).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28124203</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>mR.bRiGhTsId3</author>
	<datestamp>1243527900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Meh, it just goes to show how far Aaron Seigo's madness has spread. It boggles my mind that you would consider releasing a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 release yet still recommend that users use the previous vesion. I can get releasing a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 release that may have a couple of regressions, but I would think that on balance, you would have released something that is better and users would want to use. But no, apparently its better to just release something 3/4ths finished, then have furious 6 month release cycles for 1 - 2 years all the while the "Ooooooh! Shiney! New!" crowd bitches at you across the interwebs about how the new version is garbage. KDE/Amarok/KOffice devs must secretely be e-masochists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , it just goes to show how far Aaron Seigo 's madness has spread .
It boggles my mind that you would consider releasing a .0 release yet still recommend that users use the previous vesion .
I can get releasing a .0 release that may have a couple of regressions , but I would think that on balance , you would have released something that is better and users would want to use .
But no , apparently its better to just release something 3/4ths finished , then have furious 6 month release cycles for 1 - 2 years all the while the " Ooooooh !
Shiney ! New !
" crowd bitches at you across the interwebs about how the new version is garbage .
KDE/Amarok/KOffice devs must secretely be e-masochists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, it just goes to show how far Aaron Seigo's madness has spread.
It boggles my mind that you would consider releasing a .0 release yet still recommend that users use the previous vesion.
I can get releasing a .0 release that may have a couple of regressions, but I would think that on balance, you would have released something that is better and users would want to use.
But no, apparently its better to just release something 3/4ths finished, then have furious 6 month release cycles for 1 - 2 years all the while the "Ooooooh!
Shiney! New!
" crowd bitches at you across the interwebs about how the new version is garbage.
KDE/Amarok/KOffice devs must secretely be e-masochists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28124249</id>
	<title>Re:more alternatives</title>
	<author>Rob Kaper</author>
	<datestamp>1243528080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm glad to see that we have so many software options for even the most basic computer functions that Average Joe User needs to hire a personal assistant to make intelligent decisions about what software packages to install.</p></div><p>Most of us here genuinely are, or should be. The more ICT jobs there are, the better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad to see that we have so many software options for even the most basic computer functions that Average Joe User needs to hire a personal assistant to make intelligent decisions about what software packages to install.Most of us here genuinely are , or should be .
The more ICT jobs there are , the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad to see that we have so many software options for even the most basic computer functions that Average Joe User needs to hire a personal assistant to make intelligent decisions about what software packages to install.Most of us here genuinely are, or should be.
The more ICT jobs there are, the better.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28125167</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>moronikos</author>
	<datestamp>1243531860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean it wasn't available in 2.0.0.0.0.0.0?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean it was n't available in 2.0.0.0.0.0.0 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean it wasn't available in 2.0.0.0.0.0.0?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28124427</id>
	<title>Gn44</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243528680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If *BSD is to mod points and Would take 4bout 2 On my Pentium Pro of businees and THEORISTS - OUTER SPACE THE to this. For</htmltext>
<tokenext>If * BSD is to mod points and Would take 4bout 2 On my Pentium Pro of businees and THEORISTS - OUTER SPACE THE to this .
For</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If *BSD is to mod points and Would take 4bout 2 On my Pentium Pro of businees and THEORISTS - OUTER SPACE THE to this.
For</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28127505</id>
	<title>Re:Oh FSM more extensions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243539720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you mentioned "colorful tabs" you lost all my sympathy. I don't even want to know what you consider "core functionality", but I am quite sure that I don't want most of it.</p><p>I can't help but think that the extensions that break your package manager are exactly those ugly pieces of hack that I don't want on my computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you mentioned " colorful tabs " you lost all my sympathy .
I do n't even want to know what you consider " core functionality " , but I am quite sure that I do n't want most of it.I ca n't help but think that the extensions that break your package manager are exactly those ugly pieces of hack that I do n't want on my computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you mentioned "colorful tabs" you lost all my sympathy.
I don't even want to know what you consider "core functionality", but I am quite sure that I don't want most of it.I can't help but think that the extensions that break your package manager are exactly those ugly pieces of hack that I don't want on my computer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123629</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28130353</id>
	<title>Re:AdBlock Plus</title>
	<author>obarel</author>
	<datestamp>1243505700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But can you twitter you spreadsheet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But can you twitter you spreadsheet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But can you twitter you spreadsheet?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123209</id>
	<title>KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243523340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Our goal for now is to release a first preview of what we have accomplished.  This release is mainly aimed at developers, testers and early adopters.  It is not aimed at end users, and we do not recommend Linux distributions to package it as the default office suite yet.</p></div><p>Why don't they release this version as KOffice 2.0 BETA?   Funny that they put the 0.0 number to kind of "inform" that it is the very very first version...</p><p>It seems to me that it is official, Open Source<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 versions = beta</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Our goal for now is to release a first preview of what we have accomplished .
This release is mainly aimed at developers , testers and early adopters .
It is not aimed at end users , and we do not recommend Linux distributions to package it as the default office suite yet.Why do n't they release this version as KOffice 2.0 BETA ?
Funny that they put the 0.0 number to kind of " inform " that it is the very very first version...It seems to me that it is official , Open Source .0 versions = beta</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:Our goal for now is to release a first preview of what we have accomplished.
This release is mainly aimed at developers, testers and early adopters.
It is not aimed at end users, and we do not recommend Linux distributions to package it as the default office suite yet.Why don't they release this version as KOffice 2.0 BETA?
Funny that they put the 0.0 number to kind of "inform" that it is the very very first version...It seems to me that it is official, Open Source .0 versions = beta
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28129195</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>Jerry</author>
	<datestamp>1243501380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's total nonsense.</p><p>"Bloat" suggests unnecessary code, often called "code bloat".   One person's "bloat" is another person's indispensable feature.</p><p>The more functions and capabilities a package has the larger its code base will be.</p><p>A better definition of "bloat" is a section of code that none of the developers know what it's for, and removing it causes instability.  Windows is the dictionary reference for bloat because a lots of its code base is ambiguous, and even Microsoft agrees, but only because it was part of their campaign to get people to move to VISTA.<br><a href="http://apcmag.com/microsoft\_agrees\_windows\_is\_a\_really\_large\_bloated\_operating\_system.htm" title="apcmag.com">http://apcmag.com/microsoft\_agrees\_windows\_is\_a\_really\_large\_bloated\_operating\_system.htm</a> [apcmag.com]</p><p>"Niklaus Wirth has summed up the situation in Wirth's Law, which states that software speed is decreasing more quickly than hardware speed is increasing." -- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software\_bloat" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software\_bloat</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's total nonsense .
" Bloat " suggests unnecessary code , often called " code bloat " .
One person 's " bloat " is another person 's indispensable feature.The more functions and capabilities a package has the larger its code base will be.A better definition of " bloat " is a section of code that none of the developers know what it 's for , and removing it causes instability .
Windows is the dictionary reference for bloat because a lots of its code base is ambiguous , and even Microsoft agrees , but only because it was part of their campaign to get people to move to VISTA.http : //apcmag.com/microsoft \ _agrees \ _windows \ _is \ _a \ _really \ _large \ _bloated \ _operating \ _system.htm [ apcmag.com ] " Niklaus Wirth has summed up the situation in Wirth 's Law , which states that software speed is decreasing more quickly than hardware speed is increasing .
" -- http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software \ _bloat [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's total nonsense.
"Bloat" suggests unnecessary code, often called "code bloat".
One person's "bloat" is another person's indispensable feature.The more functions and capabilities a package has the larger its code base will be.A better definition of "bloat" is a section of code that none of the developers know what it's for, and removing it causes instability.
Windows is the dictionary reference for bloat because a lots of its code base is ambiguous, and even Microsoft agrees, but only because it was part of their campaign to get people to move to VISTA.http://apcmag.com/microsoft\_agrees\_windows\_is\_a\_really\_large\_bloated\_operating\_system.htm [apcmag.com]"Niklaus Wirth has summed up the situation in Wirth's Law, which states that software speed is decreasing more quickly than hardware speed is increasing.
" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software\_bloat [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28125429</id>
	<title>Make Kross Plugins</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1243532940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hope, the Kross Plugin architecture get's implemented in all KDE in a way plug in are developed?

Konqueror has implemented Kross extension architecture but has any user ever downloaded and install a plug in other than that come in by default ????</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hope , the Kross Plugin architecture get 's implemented in all KDE in a way plug in are developed ?
Konqueror has implemented Kross extension architecture but has any user ever downloaded and install a plug in other than that come in by default ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hope, the Kross Plugin architecture get's implemented in all KDE in a way plug in are developed?
Konqueror has implemented Kross extension architecture but has any user ever downloaded and install a plug in other than that come in by default ???
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123615</id>
	<title>Re:Color me not impressed</title>
	<author>ThePhilips</author>
	<datestamp>1243525200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> I'm not going to install Java (and most OO.o extensions are in Java) just to have some fancy bit of extra functionality.

</p><p> Neither KOffice nor FireFox require me to install 250MB of Java bloat (in addition to one already packaged with OO.o) to simply access the functionality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not going to install Java ( and most OO.o extensions are in Java ) just to have some fancy bit of extra functionality .
Neither KOffice nor FireFox require me to install 250MB of Java bloat ( in addition to one already packaged with OO.o ) to simply access the functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I'm not going to install Java (and most OO.o extensions are in Java) just to have some fancy bit of extra functionality.
Neither KOffice nor FireFox require me to install 250MB of Java bloat (in addition to one already packaged with OO.o) to simply access the functionality.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123683</id>
	<title>Re:KDE 4.0 once again...</title>
	<author>zander</author>
	<datestamp>1243525500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Huh.  Sorry, that's complete bullshit.  While everyone knows that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version may have bugs, it's also expected that a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 version *will* be ready for prime time.  If it's not, it should have an alpha or beta moniker.</p></div><p>I appreciate your opinion, and I even understand your point of view.  Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for <i>your</i> benefit?  There are integrators, developers and others that need this release. And you should try it, you might even like it. Depending on how many features you actually use from an office suite.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh .
Sorry , that 's complete bullshit .
While everyone knows that a .0 version may have bugs , it 's also expected that a .0 version * will * be ready for prime time .
If it 's not , it should have an alpha or beta moniker.I appreciate your opinion , and I even understand your point of view .
Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for your benefit ?
There are integrators , developers and others that need this release .
And you should try it , you might even like it .
Depending on how many features you actually use from an office suite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh.
Sorry, that's complete bullshit.
While everyone knows that a .0 version may have bugs, it's also expected that a .0 version *will* be ready for prime time.
If it's not, it should have an alpha or beta moniker.I appreciate your opinion, and I even understand your point of view.
Do you understand that releasing software may be something that is not just for your benefit?
There are integrators, developers and others that need this release.
And you should try it, you might even like it.
Depending on how many features you actually use from an office suite.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_05_28_1330226.28123165</id>
	<title>Asking for a Mile</title>
	<author>scorp1us</author>
	<datestamp>1243523160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What, no windows packages??</p><p>Or is this available via the KDE for Windows installer?</p><p>Congrats to the KOffice team! I refuse t use OO (too much Java) so I'll finally have a decent free office suite!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What , no windows packages ?
? Or is this available via the KDE for Windows installer ? Congrats to the KOffice team !
I refuse t use OO ( too much Java ) so I 'll finally have a decent free office suite !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, no windows packages?
?Or is this available via the KDE for Windows installer?Congrats to the KOffice team!
I refuse t use OO (too much Java) so I'll finally have a decent free office suite!</sentencetext>
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